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I am pearlsing torchcolumnist Greg Parks, and this is the

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aw Redemption Post Show for now July twenty seventh, twenty

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twenty six. Thanks everybody for joining us live on YouTube,

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you joining us there as well. We are excited to

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be here to talk aew know, It's been a while

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for me to do audio, so I'm happy to be back.

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And I am joined by my co host for tonight

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to break down Redemption with you, and he is p

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tow Torch dot com contributor Brian Zillombrian. Welcome back to

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the post show here, I know you joined me for

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Clash in Italy a month or two ago, so it's

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good to talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely good to be back. Thanks for having me yep.

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Speaker 2: And so you can join in on the chat, provided

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I'm doing it correctly, because I don't see any comments

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right now, so maybe people are just shy or I

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don't know, maybe I've screwed something up, but I don't

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see any comments. But you can certainly comment if you're

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watching live on YouTube and tell us what you thought

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about AEW redemption. We will share some of those and

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break those down and discuss some of those comments as

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we go through the show. Again, provided I haven't broken something. Okay,

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we've got a comment there, it is. So it's good

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to know I've been out of the game for a

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month or so and I haven't completely lost my touch here, Brian.

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So let's jump right in here with the redemption discussion,

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and I want to hit something right off the top, Brian,

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and then we're not going to talk about it the

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rest of the show. That is the length of this show,

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because it was built it starts an hour earlier, right

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seven Eastern. What's everybody thinking, Oh my gosh, we're gonna

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get done before midnight. It's still going to be July

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twenty sixth, it's still going to be Sunday by the

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time we get done with this. As I said, as

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soon as I clicked record, it went to midnight, and

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so we didn't really save much time here. Did you

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feel the length of the show even with the earlier

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start time. What was your perspective on that tonight?

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I felt the length of the show right away.

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I believe if my math, calc and trigonometry is correct,

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I believe each match when at least sixteen minutes. As

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far as length, I was thinking, you know, optimistic, Brian

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at the time, you know that in the past, was thinking, hey,

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you know, early start time, maybe we get out of here,

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the show wraps up. You know, it's a solid like

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ten fifteen. I'm doing it like we're starting to we're

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starting to post show at ten thirty, and you know

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we're underway. But somehow it's it starts an hour earlier

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and it still ends up the same length of time. Yeah,

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we might. I might as well just preface this now

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so that way we can kind of get it out

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of the way and have better maybe dialogue throughout the show.

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mean a good match, and giving the someone a longer

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match is not necessarily going to improve the quality of

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the match, especially if it was just slap dashed together

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like within a least time. That just that's not going

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to give anybody really any oh like, oh well, you

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know we announced this on a collision, but we're going

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to give this twenty minutes. It'll be great. No, that

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that doesn't work. That doesn't translate every There's only like

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so many bandidos and Kyle Fletcher's on the roster that

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a while since you've dipped your toe and you know,

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the AW pool. I would say, like throughout the entire year,

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of that nature, and mostly you've been able to get

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away with it. I would say, in this show, you

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had a lot of plunder didn't need to happen at all,

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needs to really be in question. And I admire Tony

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Khnfort wanting to get as many of his talents on

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the card, but I do feel like we're in the

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stage where I want the pay per V spots to

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be earned, not just given. And I feel like maybe

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a lot of these matches would have gone over better

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on television. And you know, that's why Collision exists. I

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would have had a great time reviewing a lot the

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majority of these matches on Collision. I would say at

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least two or three. Two to three of these matches

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did not need to exist on this pay per view show.

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I didn't know if there was going to be a curfew.

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I was very again Brian in the past, thought there

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was you know, the show was going to be maybe

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a nice type four hours and fortunately it did not

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end up that way. And uh, you know, back in

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a little bit now Greg's back, Okay, Yeah, Greg, I

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was just talking.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if yeah, I heard,

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I heard, I heard most of that. Yeah, it's this

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was a pay per view and we're going to talk about, uh,

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this pay per view being what it was. I know

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that was a big discussion point coming into the show

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about the necessity of this pay per view, and then

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what I kind of want to jump into right now

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is the idea or the reporting out there that this

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pay per view was initially maybe not created, but was

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to feature Kenny o'megan defeat being MJF for the AW

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World Heavyweight Championship that ended up being moved to television,

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And so you're left with a pay per view that,

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for a lot of people watching, didn't really need to

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happen or didn't really need to exist. It didn't have

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that one big selling point. You know, you had Kevin

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Knight moving into the the challenger spot for the title

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in the main event, which you know, we'll talk much

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more about that later on. I'm curious, though, if if

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MJF and Kenny Omega had taken place on this show,

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would this have changed either your perception of the show

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going in or would it have changed if the exact

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same match that we saw on TV happened on this

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pay per view? Would it have made the pay per

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view better? And we haven't even gotten into whether we

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liked the show or not, but I guess we can

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dive into that as well, thumbs up, thumbs down, letter grade,

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number grade, whatever. But so the two questions is would

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it have made it better going in? And then would

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it have made the show better if that exact same

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match had taken place in the main event tonight?

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Speaker 3: I would say, honestly both yes to both of those questions,

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Greg and just you would have had definitely a capital

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M moment and those two having that same style of

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match like they did on TV on the pay per

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view and then Ketty Mega getting like kind of the

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hometown hero pop and the moment. I think the crowd

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would have been hotter. Yeah, just weird crowd tonight too,

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And I know we're kind of jumping a little bit

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of everywhere weird crowd, Like they just had peaks of

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like being super quiet and then they'd be really hyped

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for a lot of things. They chose to just you know,

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stick and move to be particular on, which is fine.

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But yeah, yeah, I would say but yes to both

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of those things. And ultimately, like you said, was MJF

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so banged up where they had to pivot? Yeah, you know,

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knee just really jacked up. I understand why they had

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to pivot, especially if you know, they wanted to obviously

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protect the health and if that was the entire existence

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of the show, I think it would have been better

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on both of those merits, Greg, But like, ultimately, like

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the thought of this show still didn't really make a

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lot of sense in terms of like card placement. Like

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a lot of these matches were just again thrown together

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with the like a week notice, And I know Tony

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you know, hey fans, I'm sorry we didn't give you

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mjf and Kenney Omega in the main event, but I'm

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going to try to give you like these bat crazy

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matches to kind of make up for that. And ultimately,

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like I don't know if that kind of counterbalance worked.

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far as grades, I would say definitely in the middle.

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quality across like a pay per view, I think this

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is probably one of aw's weaker shows of the year. Again,

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like you said, like based on everything you said, ultimately

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knowing everything that happened that this show still need to exist. No,

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absolutely not, and I think it does. It was interesting,

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of like hurt, kind of like the steam going into

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like the you know, the big all intro that you know,

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next month, because you turn back time, you know, a

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year ago, I would say March, and you know, uh,

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you know for the last two two and a half

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you know, cooking and everything like that. Now obviously the

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main event, it's still you know, the main event, and

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it's you know, the highest built thing that they've shown.

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It's great, It's gonna be great. So yeah, I mean

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as far as like a grading perspective just on the show.

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felt like it was on its way to being an

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old timer for AW and then it hit a little

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valley I think with three or four matches, and then

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it was definitely a show with some peaks and valleys

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in this one. Based on the match order and how

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things ended, up progressing just a few comments. I want

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to highlight here from the chat. I don't know how

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to pronounce that, Babbo Man says, I'm just interested in

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hearing what other people have to say about the show.

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I found the outcomes of aw pay per view matches

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to be overly predictable, and that was another complaint I

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think we heard from people heading into this pay per

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view had a lot of the match results were pretty predictable.

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we always make the argument, hey, predictable is not necessarily

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a bad thing if the story is good. But I don't.

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entire show where you can look down the card and

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know with pretty good certainty who's going to win every match,

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problem for you at all heading into this show? Did

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you find the results too predictable for your liking?

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on the show, I thought, you know, you could have

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gone either way. I didn't think the Young Bucks winning

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was necessarily like one hundred percent, you know, Maya you know,

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potentially going over Shida. I didn't think that was one

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hundred percent, and then I didn't think Willow winning was

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one hundred percent either. So for me, I feel like

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there was doubt. I mean, obviously, like there's not even

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that one percent of doubt dot Kevin Knight was going

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to beat Kenny Omega, which you know, not necessarily a problem,

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but I still felt like there was some like shadow

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of doubt where it's like, Okay, I don't necessarily know

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like either way, because especially like for the Women's World title,

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I thought that was the most like unpredictable thing like

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Speaker 2: And then another comment here says, I really enjoyed the

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show overall. Probably could have left the Jericho Champa match

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off the card though. Also what was that mcfoley and

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Divine Dominion segment? Yeah, that was that was strange.

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Speaker 3: It was uh weird. And my advice to Mick, I

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understand he's in a good place work wise, maybe stop

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with the hey sickos, like just maybe not do that.

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And I thought about this, Greg so that moment like, uh,

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have you ever had kind of like ever brought like

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a significant other to like a family gathering and you've

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got that one kind of uncle at Thanksgiving or Christmas

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that's had a little bit too much wine. That's exactly

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what mcfoley reminded me of. And I don't think he

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was trying to be cringe on purpose. I think he

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was trying to be funny. And you know, obviously, like

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the Dominion, they're very tall, attractive ladies. I get it,

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I understand that, but like it just came off very

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just I don't I think he was trying to be funny.

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That might have been funny in nineteen ninety nine or

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nineteen ninety eight, But like, I think he just needs

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to realize, Okay, I'm not in this era anymore. I

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need to like elevate my like comedy and not be

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like I think, you know, Tony Schavani, he's like the

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kind of like warm, fuzzy uncle that you want to

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see all the time. And then that moment mcfoley was like, Ooh,

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that's the uncle I don't want to see at holidays, And.

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Speaker 2: You know, part of me wonders if it's just mcfoley

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still trying to acclimate himself to AW. I think, so

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find his way and kind of fit in. I mean,

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he's been in the WWE ecosystem for so long. That's

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you know, he had a stop over in TNA for

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a little while, but you know, for for the most part,

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he's been in WWE for the last thirty years or

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been associated with them, And I think there might be

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a bit of trying too hard maybe to fit into

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the AW atmosphere we'll call it. And maybe that was

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something going on there, But that was very cringe was

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the good word that you used. I think that describes

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that pretty well. The last thing I want to get

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into before I get into some plugs. Then we'll of

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course go match by match through this year no surprises.

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We had a host of WWE releases whose ninety day

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non competes recently expired, and the thinking was to kind

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of make this pay per view seem more special than

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it felt to a lot of people going in. Maybe

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we would see New Day pop up, or maybe we

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would see somebody debut on this show. We got nothing.

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Was that a surprise for you?

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Speaker 3: Not necessarily, Greg, because I believe the New Day's contract

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is not toechnically up until closer to the middle of August.

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I believe the chat might be able to look more

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in detail on that. But I will say the Dynamite

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this Wednesday is at Detroit, and uh, I believe there's

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a tag team that's currently available from Detroit that could.

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Speaker 2: Pop up from the Motor City if you will, yes, yes, yes,

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So there's that. I just.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this would have been the best card,

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Like obviously the New Day that that's like obviously the name, right,

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but I feel like they already dropped the graphic for

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the bucks and coping cage, which you know that could

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easily change, but it just seems like more of a

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that that that's an all in London pop. I think,

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get them on a bigger stage. I feel like that's

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kind of been written in the stars for you know

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and say, you know, had their release from WWD. Honestly,

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but anybody else, I just don't know the way this

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crowd was. Greg, I just don't know, like yeah, like

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you could have had a Kyrie Zane or someone like

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that pop up. I just don't know if that would

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have done anything. You know, Santo's Escobar, I believe he's

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still injured. I don't think he's one hundred percent yet.

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Any members of the wy At six, I just don't

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know if those would have you even gotten like a

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holy shit chant. Honestly, I'm trying to think. Obviously, Seamus

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is still ages away from being that. That could have

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been a guy who could have gotten like a you know,

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good reaction if he would have been available. But I

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would say I was honestly a little bit more taken

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back where you know, I was on the you know,

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the media call this past week, and it sounded like,

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you know, they were we could see some people pop

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up sooner or later. I was kind of expecting kind

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of a direction from Schwarz strictling tonight. We did not

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see him. We did not see him and Page I

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would be you know, I would hope we would see

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them both on Dynamite, but to kind of figure out

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what they're doing at all in but not. I don't

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think having someone debut, just the debut would have improved

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the quality of the show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, before we go match by match through this

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as we always do here on the post show, just

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to the rest of the plugs a little later on

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and let's jump into the show. This was of course,

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AW Redemption from the Bell Center in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

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The show began the pay per view proper with the

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six way ladder match for the number one contender for

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the International Championship Commander versus the BC Morto's versus Mike Bailey,

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Nick Wayne, Jack Perry and El Clone. So no surprise

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fans clearly behind the hometown boy Mike Bailey. Great idea

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to start off the show with this match that included Bailey.

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I guess you know. I went along watching this match

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and it was the first half of the match. I

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was like, this is a pretty standard ladder match. I'm

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surprised they're not taking more risks and everything like that

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and then boy to the last half totally make up

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for it, and then some with with the risks, so

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Mike Bailey gets the victory here. I guess my thought

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on this is very similar to my thought on Royal

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Rumbo matches, where the Royal Rumbo matches always seem to

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be today in this era, two guys or two women

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fighting in the middle of the ring, everybody else is

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laying around the ropes. I'll sell it, right, that's kind

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of what this ladder match was. It was two people

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at a time everybody else had disappeared. And I think,

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if you want, because when I think of six way

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ladder match, I think of chaos, like I think of

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you know, the car crash aesthetic, right that you get

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from these matches. And I think if you had, you know,

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guys fighting outside the ring, while there's two sets of

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guys fighting inside the ring, like I think that would

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portray more of the chaos that you would expect in

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a match like this, as opposed to it being fought

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as if it's just several mini one on one matches

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throughout the match. And maybe that's a nitpick, I guess,

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but you know, certainly this was an aew ladder match

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with a lot of big spots and big moves, but

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it did feel like it was kind of spot to

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spot to spot to spot a lot of times, which, again,

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you know, lighter matches. I think you kind of assume

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that going in in some ways. But from an athleticism standpoint,

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from a big move standpoint, I thought it checked those boxes.

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What was your impression of this match and Mike Bailey

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getting the victory. He will take on Kyle Fletcher at

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the he already cashed in later on the show Grand

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Slam Mexico City that will be taking place in a

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few weeks, So your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ladder matches, it's not even an aw thing.

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It just like you said you I like how you

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mentioned the roll rumbo format, greg I. It always just

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leaves me questions like why does everybody have to fight

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on stage in a ladder match? Like I like, if

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everybody wants to do stuff on the stage, the heel

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there should be a smart heel saying okay, you idiots,

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like I'm gonna just hide and go, you know, climb

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the ladder. I felt like there was a couple of

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moments for command. He kind of like got out there.

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He definitely touched the contract a couple of times. I

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was like, well, like, you know, I wish you wouldn't

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have gotten so close, because then you kind of looked

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silly a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, there was a moment where Mortos was pushing the

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ladder with Commander on top, but he was pushing it

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towards the contract. Yeah, and I said, just just jump

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onto the contract and pull it down, like that's all

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you had.

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Speaker 3: To do, right, Yeah, there were there were aspects of

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the ladder match I did enjoy. I love how they

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actually did all the introductions about seven till six for

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those peop who are not watching the kickoff show. I

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actually really enjoyed that. So they pretty much ran the

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bell like at six oh one, which is great.

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Speaker 2: And that's what made me think, oh my gosh, we're

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gonna we're gonna make it. We're gonna get this done right,

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you know, substantially before midnight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, little did we know, Greg.

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Speaker 2: I was silly for thinking that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, absolutely no. But there were they like

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the small nickpicks aside. I would have said, you know,

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could we have trend maybe two to three minutes off

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this probably and just like you, I don't need anything

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just to go back and forth like for these types

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of things, just have just be a car crash, like

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go like balls of the Wall for twelve to fifteen minutes,

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like I don't really need anybody kind of getting their

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stuff in. I will say I really enjoyed kind of

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like the continued story that they're doing with Nick Wayne

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and Jack Perry. For those who don't watch Collisions, so

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they've been kind of doing interactions in the past two weeks.

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Jack Perry beat Nick Wayne two weeks ago on Collision,

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and then Nick Wayne won his qualifying match last night,

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and then they had a backstage interaction you know, afterwards

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on the show. So I'm glad they're still interacting. It

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was obviously something refreshing. It's like, oh cool, so we

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get two people feuding in a match on a pay

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per view that doesn't initially involve a title. That's kind

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of cool. I really enjoyed that, And I thought Nick

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Wayne looked great. Mike Bailey and going over wash you know,

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pretty duh, like that would have been criminal for him

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not to win. And uh, obviously crazy Spots Commander doing

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the rope walk is always pretty nutty. There was a

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double I think Elk Clone did a double stomped to

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Bailey on the outside, which I was like, oh my god,

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he's dead. Marto's did a kind of what did he do?

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Kind of like a Samoan dropped the Elk Clone that

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looked like it sucked. It looks like he didn't get

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all of it. I'm glad l Clone it was okay

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because it looked like he landed right on his face.

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And we've got a lot more of that throughout the show.

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But yeah, you know, I think, just like you said,

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the second half picked up. Everybody looked, you know, got

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their stuff in and Bailey going over and then I

476
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,160
think I haven't seen anything reported yet, but I hope

477
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,799
everybody made it out in one piece.

478
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: I have to point out that I already broke my

479
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,880
own rule about not talking about the length of the show.

480
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,359
We're one match, and I said we're going to talk

481
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,960
about at the beginning and not mentioned it the rest

482
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,680
of the time. I've already broken that rule. So apologies

483
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,839
to those who were hoping that that discussion would be

484
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,000
uh had a bow on it at the very beginning.

485
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Mike Bailey obviously the big winner coming out of this

486
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,559
the actual winner of the match. Is there anyone else

487
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,839
to you who stood out above and beyond the others?

488
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:39,720
Like to me, I thought Jack Perry was positioned as someone,

489
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,880
you know, based on how the match progressed and how

490
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,440
it played out. I thought he was someone positioned as

491
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,680
maybe right underneath Mike Bailey in terms of someone the

492
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,359
fans should care about it or take seriously after this match.

493
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,920
Is there anyone else that you notice who stood out

494
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,960
above the others?

495
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,759
Speaker 3: I mean, like I mentioned Nick Wayne, like you said

496
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,640
Jack Perry, I mean, you know, God bless him. He

497
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,480
I think he's all He's a good guy to have

498
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,160
in these type of spots because you know he does

499
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
I don't really I can't think of anybody else that

500
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,000
does stuff on the ropes like he does. It's incredible.

501
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,440
I was honestly really surprised they didn't stick Leo Rush

502
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,279
in this match because you know, as over as he

503
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,160
is right now. And I remember Greg you I don't

504
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,519
know if you watched the post show, because he it

505
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,240
was like when he started doing it. He popped up

506
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,279
in a match versus Brodie King on Dynamite, and I

507
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,720
remember just like not going on this big brand and

508
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,319
Wade was kind of Wade was kind of like ribbing

509
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,200
me a little bit. He was like, I think I

510
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,079
gotta like it. I was like, Wade, come on, like

511
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,119
you can't. But then, of course now he's like gotten over,

512
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:51,039
and you know, relative to how goofy it was at first,

513
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,599
he's actually kind of toned it down a bit where

514
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:58,640
it's like, okay, it's like a little bit more rustling ish,

515
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160
which is like, okay, if you want to do the goofy,

516
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,519
if you're doing it all for the goofy golden thing,

517
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,680
I get it fine, But like, uh, you know, he's over.

518
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:09,599
I was kind of surprised. This would have been kind

519
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680
of like a.

520
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,079
Speaker 2: And he lost correct correct me if I'm wrong, but

521
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,880
he lost on collision to Clone in a match to

522
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,200
get into this. Yeah, and that's it. Was it worth

523
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160
having Ela Clone in here over Leo Rush? Like, I don't,

524
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,960
I don't see how that benefited.

525
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have put a Rush in this match.

526
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: The only thing I was wondering. They did bring up

527
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,480
the announcers that Ella Clone was kind of put in

528
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:40,799
here to make sure that the the title was safe

529
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,160
for Kyle Fletcher at you know, the assumption being if

530
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,279
he won, maybe he wouldn't challenge, or maybe he would

531
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,079
lay down for Kyle Fletcher because they're all in the

532
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,160
don Kallus family, so maybe they wanted a callous family

533
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400
member in this match to tell that story. But it

534
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,759
was a passing mention on commentary worth having him in

535
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,400
there over Leo Rush. Yeah, I wouldn't think so. I

536
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,119
wouldn't think so.

537
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,799
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538
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,680
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541
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Speaker 2: Okay, Let's go to the second match here, which is

556
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:58,559
I think probably the match that's going to have the

557
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:05,160
most polarizing opinions from fans, and that is the Young

558
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Bucks against Will Osprey and John Moxley. Lots of star

559
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,519
power here in this second match. On the show, the

560
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,119
story was nick getting his bell rung in a head

561
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,160
on collision with will Osprey early in the match. He

562
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,799
sat out a lot of the match, and then you

563
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,319
had the situation where John Moxley wants Osprey to attack

564
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,400
and show no mercy basically, which is still not part

565
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,319
of Osprey's character even after this initiation. As part of

566
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:39,839
the death writers, you know, I was critical for the

567
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,720
build to the build for this match on Dynamite. I

568
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,799
wrote a Parks's take on PW Torch dot Com. I

569
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,519
didn't think the main events segment on Dynamite and the

570
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,480
ending of the match was very good, and I thought

571
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,759
one of the problems with this was we've seen what

572
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,799
happens when wrestlers get hurt. The trainer did not check

573
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,359
on Nick, which I thought was odd because we've seen

574
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:09,680
the trainer check on wrestlers injured BEFOREIGN storyline. You know,

575
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:14,039
certainly there's some people saying, well, the ref should have

576
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,839
thrown it out or something, but I mean, maybe he

577
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,119
keeps it going two on one. I don't know if

578
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:24,480
it was legitimate, but the Young Bucks ended up, you know,

579
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:32,160
they overcome so the story because that's what I mean.

580
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,720
This was as much of a story as it was

581
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,359
a match. What did you think of it? How it

582
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,160
played out, and you know it did sort of play

583
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,799
into the aftermath of the main event later on.

584
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:48,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, Greg, I thought this the

585
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:52,079
Young Bucks prioritized storytelling over match quality because you know,

586
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,960
all throughout the year they've had a like phenomenal matches

587
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,839
all throughout like every pay per view cycle they've had,

588
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,160
And for me, ultimately that kind of paid off towards

589
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,039
like the you know, the postmatch of the main event,

590
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,039
and you know, it kind of fed into Moxley trying

591
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,559
to you know, prioritize the will like he needs to

592
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:16,760
be a killer and obviously, there was like the backstage

593
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,800
segment later in the show with Renee as well, and

594
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960
I liked how they kind of showed a different layer

595
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,719
of you know, match quality, because everybody thinks, you know,

596
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,400
the Young Bucks are just you know, you know, spot monkeys,

597
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,119
and they don't. Actually they're not good actors. They don't

598
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,239
know how to a moat or actually tell a story,

599
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880
and I just these are probably the same people. I've

600
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,800
never seen young Buck dressle in a New Japan match before,

601
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,519
where it's just like, yeah, there was like how many

602
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,199
years did the It was a oh god, I'm having

603
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,239
a brain part? He was like Nick Jackson sold his

604
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,480
back for like years, it felt like, because he would

605
00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:00,719
always sell us back, so they can actually sell very well.

606
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,480
And I understand if like the head spot. Like to me,

607
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,719
I read it as it was part of the entire

608
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,360
story of the match, which fed into the you know,

609
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,800
the rest of the show got off the show show

610
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,119
long hook, just because there was definitely better quality of

611
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,679
a match style they could have had with these two. Yeah,

612
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,039
because those four guys are incredible, so of course they

613
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:30,039
could have. So I like that throughout the match obviously,

614
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,039
like Moxley instructing Osbary to be a killer, which ended

615
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,159
up backfiring. And then I do like the callback of

616
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920
the Bucks beating Moxley akin to the Dailiesplaces tag team

617
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,159
match that he had with where Kingston was his partner.

618
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,119
I don't know if you remember that finished. That was

619
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,960
like the callbacks of the Bucks kind of killing Moxley,

620
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,400
and uh, you know, again, this was like I didn't

621
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,440
know necessarily who was going to win, if you know,

622
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,760
because Oscar and obviously you weren't going to pin Osprey,

623
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,760
So it was either the Bucks we're losing or Macky

624
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,519
with taking the pin and uh, you know, I I

625
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,320
think I'd have to really think about it, but I

626
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,199
think as far as what happened on the show, as

627
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,039
far as like a development, I think this was one

628
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,239
of my favorite things that happened on the entire show.

629
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first instinct was to like it, and I

630
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,920
think part of it is because it was so different. Right,

631
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Sometimes we are chasing the rabbit trying to catch up

632
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,119
on all of the wrestling we watch, and it's like

633
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:33,599
as soon as we consume it, it's onnd of the

634
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:37,320
next thing and we don't remember it. We don't you know,

635
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,559
I was just thinking about this too, like the days

636
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,000
of going to your local store and renting a VHS

637
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,320
of a Royal Rumble and watching it over and over again.

638
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Those days are gone. You know, this match stood out

639
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,119
and this one you'll remember from this card in way

640
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:04,239
is that you don't remember a lot of matches these days.

641
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,960
So I thought from that perspective it worked.

642
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And then like you were saying, like

643
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,480
from a card, I always ask myself, like would I

644
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,400
go back and watch what like of these matches that

645
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,079
occurred on this card, Like which matches would I go

646
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,519
back and watch? And I would absolutely go back and

647
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:29,320
watch this match. And not that the Young Bucks needed

648
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,559
anything additional to add to the resume for like Tag

649
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,920
Team of the Year, but again just different flavor of

650
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,400
you know, match quality that they can have. And it was,

651
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,159
just like you said, it was the most unique thing

652
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,480
on the entire card. And I appreciate that just because

653
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,800
not every match on the card needs to be this

654
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,320
twenty five to thirty minute epic. Sometimes you need a

655
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,719
little bit of you know, flavor on the card. And

656
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,360
I still and then based on like the Tech Team

657
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Titnel matches, was like completely different, and you know, I

658
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,639
really appreciate that.

659
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 2: In the chat, Sadler says, this match is exactly why

660
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,039
I don't like the Young Bucks. The ridiculous no sell

661
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,760
spots completely take me out of the match. I will

662
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,039
say I thought that Nick sold the head butt a

663
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,559
lot more than he sold the follow up pile driver

664
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,159
on the out side of the ring, which was a

665
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,760
bit of an odd choice, but he sold it for longer.

666
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,719
I thought good fella chimes in match psychology was weird

667
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,519
to me. Will's holier than now turn meh.

668
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,119
Speaker 5: You know.

669
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 2: That's one of the other things I wanted to ask

670
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:44,360
you about is the effectiveness of will Osprey being a

671
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,280
part of the Death Writers and that whole story that

672
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,760
kind of came to a head today in the main

673
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,800
event seems to have blown up. But to this point,

674
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,239
what's been your thoughts on that storyline where will Osprey

675
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,760
becomes a part of the Death Writers, he tries to

676
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,400
get that edge right to take him to the next level. Like,

677
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,679
I get it. I understand what they're trying to do

678
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,880
there and what the story is they're trying to tell,

679
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,400
but I also understand that a lot of people have

680
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,079
not enjoyed it. As much. And part of that is

681
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,519
because of John Moxley's character, where sometimes he's a babyface,

682
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,199
sometimes he's a heel, and the rest of the Death

683
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,960
Writers are always heal and it it can be very confusing.

684
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,880
So what's been your overall thoughts about now that we've

685
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,119
seen the end of it, it seems tonight the effectiveness

686
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,800
of putting will Osbury with the rest of the Death

687
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Writers and being kind of a subservient in some ways

688
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,159
to John Moxley.

689
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,559
Speaker 3: I was really patient with it. Greg, Honestly, I would

690
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,400
you know, I would you know the Death Writers saying

691
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,679
worked last year, like ultimately, whether you liked it or not,

692
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,360
Like I think it was an overall success, look what

693
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:02,519
you know, look what it led to it all in.

694
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,199
I think I was willing to let a lot of

695
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,199
this play out. I thought I've enjoyed more segments than

696
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,840
others throughout this entire journey. I think, again, what's frustrating

697
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,320
me more if there would have been some type of

698
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,559
consistency with a group dynamic. I just really, like you said,

699
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,119
I did not like how John Moxley was a face

700
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,360
sometimes and then the rest of the group were working

701
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,159
as face our you know, heels and then depending on

702
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,239
who they were wrestling. It was just kind of what's

703
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,800
the dynamic of this group and the messaging between like

704
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:45,599
getting Moxley like hooked up with Osprey, Like there was

705
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,119
a chance to kind of tell more of a personal

706
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,119
story with Osprey, which I do appreciate because you got

707
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:53,880
to kind of have him be a little bit more

708
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,119
vulnerable about his neck and everything else. So I don't

709
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,599
want to say it was like ultimately like a failure,

710
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,199
but I'm ready to kind of like move on with

711
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,480
the Death Writers honestly if they don't even want to do,

712
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:12,239
like I don't want Kenny and Will the constant Kenny

713
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,880
and Will to constantly tag against the death Rids leading

714
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,079
up to you know, all in at this point, I

715
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,320
at this point, if you want to kind of like

716
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,239
part like put that to the side and just acknowledge

717
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Moxley is an easy challenger out the gate for Osprey

718
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:34,159
and hopefully at some point Moxley, uh, the group finally

719
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,079
just turns on Moxley so we can kind of get

720
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,679
baby face John Moxley again. I'm I'm ready for something

721
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,559
different because Rick I thought easily last year when Moxley

722
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,400
won the the C two, like he cut a baby

723
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Face promo that was a baby Face promo to me,

724
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
and I just thought, like, Okay, we're getting like baby

725
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Face John Moxley again, And.

726
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,599
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna turn on him, Like I'm

727
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,599
surprised today they're still together.

728
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know why we're still here.

729
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,920
John Moxley has a plan and I'm just waiting for

730
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,280
it to execute. And yeah, I'm just I hope they

731
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,480
can kind of just put everything else to the side.

732
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,760
I mean, obviously they still have to kind of address

733
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,840
the Moxley stuff on Wednesday, but if they want to

734
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,039
kind of just have the death ritters go away for

735
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,599
a little bit, so if we can kind of get

736
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:24,280
focused on the good stuff, I'm okay with that.

737
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: Bandido versus Kyle Fletcher for the International title was next.

738
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,719
In my notes, I wrote one word, tremendous. I didn't

739
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000
know what else. There wasn't a lot, you know, this

740
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,599
was not some intricate storyline that had been set up

741
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,599
for this match that you know. Fletcher did say he

742
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,559
wanted the don Callis family to stay in the back.

743
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,199
He didn't want them at rings side. This was an

744
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,840
effort to prove that he could do this on his own.

745
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,519
As I said earlier sets up like Bailey versus Kyle Fletcher,

746
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,079
which Bailey's already decided to when and where on that.

747
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,480
So I had mentioned that the first three matches kind

748
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:07,280
of set this show up as a potential Alzheimer right

749
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,679
away with the ladder match and the tag match and

750
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,519
the story that was involved, plus Bandito versus Fletcher kind

751
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,280
of went downhill after that, but we'll talk about that.

752
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:21,159
Your thoughts on on Kyle Fletcher and Bandido. This is

753
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,079
I think when people talk about this show in regards

754
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,760
to the match outcome is being predictable. I think this

755
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,440
is one of those they probably look at and say, yeah,

756
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:39,280
obviously Kyle Fletcher was going to win right, really good match.

757
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,599
And I think this is one of those matches where

758
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,320
you're going to look at it and say, how much

759
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,320
does match quality mean to you if you're a viewer,

760
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,360
Because if match quality is high on your list of

761
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,039
things that and I think a lot of people who

762
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,800
watch AW are in that camp. But maybe the outcome

763
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,679
doesn't matter so much. Maybe you finished this match and say, Wow,

764
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,199
that was a great match, And maybe you watch that

765
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,880
match and say you know I knew who's going to

766
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,000
win the entire time, like it is a waste of

767
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,400
my time?

768
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,639
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Speaker 2: So you got those two competing camps here, But what

789
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,440
were your thoughts on the match itself and anything else

790
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,320
that I touched on there?

791
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,199
Speaker 3: Well, I will say I will acknowledge the fans that

792
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,239
were kind of like annoyed about this match being put together.

793
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:41,320
I believe there was potential speculation like there could have

794
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,480
been a Fletcher Mystico match kind of like set up

795
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
down the road, but I guess due to injury, that's

796
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:54,679
not taking place. And they I will say, at least

797
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,679
on television, Bendido did pin Kyle Fletcher in the ring

798
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,679
with the twenty one flex, and there were actually two

799
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,920
near falls in this match that got me. And there

800
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,639
was one point in my notes that made me kind

801
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:12,559
of like actually say, oh my god, Like there was

802
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:18,480
a spot where Bandido did the frog splash to Kyle

803
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,239
Fletcher on the floor and I thought, oh my god,

804
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,480
you just squashed his face and I thought he was

805
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:26,440
busted open. I thought he broke an order boom. But

806
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:29,199
obviously they showed the replay and there was just enough

807
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320
space for Kyle like to not get killed, which I

808
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,280
was like, Okay, you worked me there, because I thought

809
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,079
it just looked like he ate, you know, because normally,

810
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,159
traditionally you're supposed to land closer to the stomach. But

811
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,079
I just saw his face go crunch and it looked

812
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,239
like he started bleeding a little bit from his forehead,

813
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,760
and he did. There was a little blood on cal

814
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:55,280
head afterwards, which I was like, oh my god, like

815
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,760
he broke something, which is terrible. I will say Bandido

816
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,360
is like one of those guys that you have to

817
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,039
always kind of pencil in on a pay per view

818
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:09,000
at this point because my word, like you just all

819
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,159
the matches he's had, like him and Swerve is still

820
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:17,000
like ridiculous Him and Andrade like would just you know,

821
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,599
insane To those who thought this was a very predictable match,

822
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,880
I understand that. I do wish at this point they

823
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,159
stopped beating Bandido like a drum, which you know, well

824
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:28,840
that was.

825
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,079
Speaker 2: Going to be. My next question is how bothersome is

826
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:39,199
it that Bandido as ROH champion is losing too, I

827
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,440
mean a second or a third level title holder, depending

828
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,639
on how you view the international title on an aw

829
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,559
pay per view, Are we pass the point of caring

830
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,760
about Roh as a separate entity enough to get worked

831
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,199
up about Bandido they're champion losing or is that still

832
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,800
going to be a sore point?

833
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,039
Speaker 3: I honestly forget sometimes Greg he's the Ring of Honor

834
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,679
champion until he comes out with the belt, or they

835
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,360
pointed out. Now, I will still go out of my

836
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,239
way to watch the Ring of Honor shows because I

837
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,559
you know, I'm a big fan of Atina, and you know,

838
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,639
Bandido's great, and there's still like very high quality stuff

839
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:24,840
on that show. But I'm not even that's not even

840
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,159
on my mind. I'm just thinking, God, this guy is

841
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,320
really really good even in a in a mask, he

842
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,719
still emotes very well, and I you know, obviously there's

843
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,000
so many people that you can push at one time,

844
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,559
but I just I really wish they would stop beating

845
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,320
him like a drum and maybe figure out, like what

846
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,039
the what the next step is? I mean, there's obviously

847
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,800
a big opportunity and the upcoming Arina Mexico show I

848
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,960
would definitely feature him strong. A part of me thinks like,

849
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,760
oh God, are they going to book him and Kenny

850
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,760
Omega on that show? Which it's it's a possibility and

851
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,719
they would tear the roof off that place, but it

852
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,880
would just be unfortunate, just like to continue to beat.

853
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,880
I would say at this point, there's there are people

854
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,840
that are teugh on, like Darby Allen to me's teflon,

855
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:14,880
like he's a guy that can lose all the time

856
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,239
and it does not matter. I would say, just be

857
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:21,440
be careful, be careful because at some point people lose,

858
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,559
no matter how good they are in the ring, they

859
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:24,519
lose their credibility.

860
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: There's a tipping there's a tipping point for everybody.

861
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, absolutely, but yeah, I mean it was a

862
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,880
fantastic match, Like they were incredible. The finish was not

863
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,920
not necessarily filmed. Great if you're going to do an

864
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,239
avalanche brainbuster, maybe just be a little bit more careful

865
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,440
on that because it was kind of filmed not great.

866
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,519
And yeah, I mean, other than that, there was two

867
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:56,679
near falls that like were incredible. I thought after he

868
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,480
got the twenty one plex, it was all I thought,

869
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:03,159
he got me. And then there was the creative twenty

870
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,639
one Dragon suplex that he got that was very creative

871
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,599
by Bandy Do. I really liked that a lot, And

872
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,199
you know, Kyle Fletcher you know one, and I think,

873
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
you know, down the road hopefully this is kind of

874
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,519
just feeding into the potential Kyle Fletcher babyface during as

875
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,119
he did when he won clean didn't cheat.

876
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about that during the match, and

877
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,119
you know what a great baby face he would make

878
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:33,719
at some point. And I'm not saying six months from now,

879
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,519
even the year from now, you know, I would like

880
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,239
to see certainly down the line. I think he has

881
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,320
the makings of a tremendous babyface top talent, But I

882
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,440
was thinking of that during this match as well. Interesting

883
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:52,519
that you brought that up. Match Number four was Dave

884
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:56,119
Finley and Clark Connors defeating Juice Robinson and Jay White

885
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:02,960
in a chain match. I thought it was look, the

886
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:08,000
build was unique. They had some very funny videos in vignettes,

887
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,440
so I thought that was a positive. You had some

888
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,599
creative spots here for a chain match, which we don't

889
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:25,760
see very often. No blood, which was a surprise. We

890
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,320
got plenty of that later on in the show, But

891
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,800
this seemed to be for a lot of people the

892
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:39,880
match that sent this show into one of its valleys.

893
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,000
What was it, Brian about this match that just didn't do.

894
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: It for you, I mean every like, well, just the

895
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,280
matchic existing. Really that was a problem. And I have

896
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,199
the preference is there was not a bad match on

897
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,599
this entire show. There were matches that probably could have

898
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:04,599
been so better with more build on television. I think

899
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,559
this was a little like you said, there were there

900
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:12,360
was creativity on it, but like it was so slow, Greg,

901
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,239
like I and I this did not need to go

902
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,599
seventeen minutes. I'm absolutely sorry because, like.

903
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: To me, when you got weapons like chains and they

904
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,000
play such an integral part in the match, the match

905
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:32,719
should theoretically be shorter, yes, because you have these maybe

906
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,840
not deadly weapons, but you have these weapons that should

907
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,360
do much more damage than your fists or your feet

908
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:45,679
or anything else. So in theory, that should wear down

909
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:51,320
your opponents and yourself a lot quicker. So agreed on that,

910
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,079
even though we're not talking about show length or anything

911
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,159
with that. I agree with you, right.

912
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: And it was funny because a good fellow in the

913
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,280
chat said this would have been a cool collision match,

914
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,719
and I actually agree, Like, if you would have given

915
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,159
this eighteen to twenty minutes on collision, I think they

916
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,039
could have probably told a better story. You could have

917
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,519
probably like and something like this, you.

918
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: Could have drawn some viewers to Collision.

919
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,039
Speaker 3: Yes, you could have gotten this could have been a

920
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:21,360
big Collision main event. And you know, more or less,

921
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,239
this was kind of like a Texas bull rope match

922
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,559
in a way, because I was kind of confused, like, Okay,

923
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,480
you do the bit with the dogs, How's this not

924
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,480
a dog collar match? It just it would have made

925
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:40,079
more sense, man. And I've enjoyed actually the vignettes on

926
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:43,960
Collision that they've been very entertaining, the dogs actually leaning

927
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,920
into kind of like more sports entertainment than tough guy stuff.

928
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,519
I think it's been refreshing. They've been so I've enjoyed

929
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:55,000
them so much more. And my biggest kind of takeaway

930
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:59,400
from the match, other than it just existing, and it's,

931
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,960
you know, the the I heard this on a podcast, Greg,

932
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,679
and I don't know if I brought this up last time,

933
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,519
and it's probably like the one time I've actually popped

934
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:13,360
way before and one of my ride ups. There's nothing

935
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,639
worse than watching wrestling happening in front of you and

936
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,840
you feel nothing, and that's what this was. It's just

937
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,639
like I'm bored, brother, Like I'm sorry, I know you

938
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,559
guys are trying to do your stuff. It just it

939
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,239
was boring. I'm sorry, it was very boring. There could

940
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,760
have been a lot more zip excitement to everything. And

941
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,679
I'm really worried they're like, because we go back to

942
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,039
the name of the card redemption, this should have been

943
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,320
a place where you could have had Finley and White

944
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,480
have singles match, and that would have made the most

945
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,519
sense in the world. I'm worried now that they're trying

946
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,760
to build that too all in and I I don't

947
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,400
know if that has enough merit and heft to be

948
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:02,119
like on that p review cards and in a vacuum,

949
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,519
which I wish they would have done. I really wish

950
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,760
they would have just done a multi man eight man

951
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,519
with Cope and Cage and you know the guns are

952
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,880
you know, the Bullet Club versus the Dogs and the

953
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,119
death Riders. That's what you should have done, because then

954
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,480
you would have had one less match, and then you

955
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,639
could have had maybe more creativity with like Cope and

956
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,679
Cage in there and stuff like that. But that's what

957
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,800
you could have reduced the match the card length. One

958
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,000
less match and this match could have not existed, and

959
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,360
I just it's kind of hurt. Ja White. Honestly for me, Greg,

960
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,199
and I am a big J White guy, and you know,

961
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,039
I just I don't think him and Finley have enough.

962
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:46,960
They're they're gonna be on the card. At this point,

963
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,679
I'm kind of already penciled in. I just, you know,

964
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,119
I want good things for J. White, and I don't

965
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:52,880
think it's helped.

966
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,519
Speaker 2: Comment from the chat said this match didn't work. A

967
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,960
normal tag match would would have been better?

968
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:01,639
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely?

969
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: Would that have sufficed for you? Yeah? I think it

970
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,920
would have been better than Okay, go ahead, you can, yeah,

971
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:11,480
you can finish that.

972
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,639
Speaker 3: No, No, Like, yeah, absolutely, I think if it was a

973
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:17,000
normal tag match, it would have been better. And they're

974
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,639
you know, I just think too, like the juice has

975
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,280
been really entertaining in this entire feud so far, with

976
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,679
like vignettes. I feel like we didn't even get rip

977
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,199
really crazy juices, And oh my god, how did I

978
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,000
forget my biggest issue with this entire match, Greg, What

979
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:37,239
was J White wearing like that was so distracting to me?

980
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,280
I don't think I've ever been I haven't been as

981
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,920
distracted by wrestler's attire look since Cody Rose w to

982
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,679
his neck tattoo it was very distracting because he was

983
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:49,000
wearing like the long white pants with the cowboy boots.

984
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,159
It made absolutely no Like I'm almost forty, so I

985
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,079
can't like judge anybody's fashion, but like, tell anybody hip

986
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,920
and cool, tell me how that outfit makes sense, like juice.

987
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,920
At least his boots made casual sense with his outfit.

988
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,199
They matched like it absolutely made no sense. He wore

989
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,719
white pants with these like basic brown work boots. It

990
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,000
looked absolutely ridiculous, and his pants were like so baggy,

991
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,239
and it just like was very distracting from me the

992
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,159
entire match. Maybe that's why I was really ultimately bothered

993
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:20,639
by the match.

994
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: Crag.

995
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,039
Speaker 2: It seems like that might be the case. I'm not crazy, Brian,

996
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:29,639
but that could explain a lot. And maybe it's just

997
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,920
subconsciously affecting everybody else too. A Goodfella says they played

998
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,280
to the crowd, seemed to keep them somewhat involved. So yeah,

999
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,000
I mean this was a crowd that I think wanted

1000
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,440
to get in on stuff. I know Montreal has not

1001
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:50,400
been a very strong market for aw in the past,

1002
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:54,840
but they seemed to do pretty well here tonight. But

1003
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,960
we move on to match number five Hakarushida versus Maya

1004
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:07,880
World for the TBS title. It takes some sacrifices in

1005
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,719
some rough moments to get a new talent over, and

1006
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,239
I think that's what we're experiencing with Maya World. I

1007
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,920
think she's doing a good job. I think the fans

1008
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,719
are largely responding to her positively. But this is a

1009
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,400
this is kind of a slow build, right to get

1010
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,320
her over to the level of, uh, someone who's going

1011
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,920
to be on top of the division. And right now,

1012
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,199
AW needs top women's stars. They're missing some you know,

1013
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:38,159
Mercedes Maney just came back, but you know, they're still

1014
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:42,000
missing Britt Baker, They're still missing Tony Storm, They're you know,

1015
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,119
Mariah may Is gone. So uh, they've had a lot

1016
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,159
of defections, uh for one reason or another, from the

1017
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:52,920
top of the women's division, and they need to replenish that.

1018
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:58,760
And so here comes My World, and and so I

1019
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,440
applaud a w for taking the time to build her

1020
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:06,199
up to top stars. She wins the TBS title. Here

1021
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,039
you sort of I had the feeling. And I know

1022
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,800
earlier on the show you said you weren't really sure

1023
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,679
about this one. I had a feeling after she lost

1024
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,920
the oen to Mercedes Manet, and then she was put

1025
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,920
in this situation. Okay, this is going to be kind

1026
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,760
of the make good for that loss, and she wins

1027
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,840
the title. Sheida doesn't really need the titles. She's not

1028
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,760
really doing anything with it. I wish they would give

1029
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Maya more mic time to tell her story, and maybe

1030
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,800
now that she's champion they will, because we don't know

1031
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,039
a ton about her. The announcers kind of filled in

1032
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:43,440
some blanks tonight, but you know, the most salient thing

1033
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:47,039
we know about her is her brother died in a

1034
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:52,159
car accident, and such a shame, so young. But you know,

1035
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,440
that shouldn't define your personality and who you are and

1036
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,960
what you're about. And unless aew fills in those blanks

1037
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,000
about who she is beyond that, there's a risk of

1038
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,840
that kind of sticking to her and being what we

1039
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,559
think about when we think about Maya world. I thought

1040
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:14,519
this dragged a little bit. It was okay, it dragged,

1041
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,280
especially late. It looked like both women were just worn

1042
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,440
out by the end of it, and it didn't look

1043
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,000
like it was selling. It looked like they were just

1044
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,960
really tired and going half speed for some of the

1045
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,400
stuff but you know, I think this is a good

1046
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,400
opportunity for Maya World here TBS title gets some focus,

1047
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,480
get some pick up some victories and see what she

1048
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,480
can do, you know, and see if they've got a

1049
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:42,159
future star here in the division.

1050
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,199
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1060
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1061
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Speaker 2: See you in the Paradise. What do you think about

1069
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,480
the match? And you know, some of the things I

1070
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:57,079
talked about in terms of establishing that my World character

1071
01:01:57,159 --> 01:01:58,559
and the necessity of doing that.

1072
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would say, first off, congrads to

1073
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:07,480
my World. She's someone I've seen the last few years

1074
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,880
in the you know, Texas indie indie scene, and I

1075
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,639
couldn't be more happy for her. She's such a she's

1076
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:17,760
such a nice kid, and I'm you know, obviously over

1077
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,800
the moon that she's one had this opportunity and then

1078
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,599
when she signed last year, you know, officially with aw

1079
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,480
her and her partner high On, who I've also watched

1080
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,119
kind of grow and developed in the Texas indie scene.

1081
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:38,119
It's really cool. You know, Maya's from Dallas. You know,

1082
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,800
she's obviously got great ties with Athena and you had

1083
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,280
the dream match with Mercedes, And you know, I'm over

1084
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,440
the moon. So I can still part my appreciation and

1085
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:54,360
like fandom for her to the side, because like you said,

1086
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,920
there's still a lot of meat on the bone bone

1087
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,559
not necessarily maya need to get, but more just aw

1088
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:03,679
giving that volume and presentation to do so, you know,

1089
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,199
because in most cases in wrestling, sometimes greg the most

1090
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:08,400
important thing is not necessarily what happened that night, but

1091
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,079
the follow up after. And you know, this was definitely

1092
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,440
you could say, a moment to make good with however

1093
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,760
you want to phrase it. You know, God blessed she came.

1094
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,800
I did like her, you know, matches on Collision, especially

1095
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,519
when she upset Athena. It was they made it seem

1096
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,760
and sound like a big deal. And they've cut kind

1097
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,719
of like backstage kind of like vignette kind of high

1098
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:37,199
videos for her. But like I think it's imperative. You know,

1099
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,159
they need to really I know there will be a

1100
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,119
lot of fallout stuff for the Dynamite after, you know,

1101
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:44,599
the show. They need to have her in front of

1102
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:48,960
a mic and like live mic. I don't care if

1103
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,480
it's lunky, because sometimes even like with I saw a

1104
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:59,559
tweet from EBU from the Wrestling Space from self made

1105
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:03,599
if anybody uh saw this, uh he kind of throughout

1106
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:07,000
Kevin Uh. Kevin Knight's match to night is on the

1107
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:11,239
job training and I really admire that because you know,

1108
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,760
if you're a franchise trying to you know, get better,

1109
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,079
sometimes you have to take your lumps with the rookies

1110
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:18,440
and you got to just let them go out, go

1111
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,119
out there and play so that way they can get

1112
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:22,960
an experience and uh, you know it might hurt in

1113
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,400
the short term, but long term, you're actually building new stars,

1114
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,800
you're building growth, You're building like had you you have

1115
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,320
the development in you know, on your roster because like

1116
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,280
you said, uh, you know Tecla who will get too shortly.

1117
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,159
I think she's done a tremendous job filling that Tony

1118
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:44,039
Storm get a gap uh that Aw's had and then

1119
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,639
nobody's really been able to kind of pick up the

1120
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,599
ball other than Tecla. And you know they're they're given

1121
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,719
Maya the ball, and I really hope they just continue

1122
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,239
to go if they're a little wary of giving them.

1123
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,840
Uh you know my a live mic by yourself, put

1124
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,000
me nay out there. That is what Renee Paquet is

1125
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,760
there for give her, have her be that kind of

1126
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,760
like shield to kind of like give her the the

1127
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,760
pitches so that way she can kind of hit those

1128
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,800
soft doubles and singles and even if she's a little

1129
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,719
clunky out there. I wouldn't even care. It's like, you

1130
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,519
know what, Like even with like Kevin Knight, throughout this

1131
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:23,320
entire process, he's been kind of like, not you know,

1132
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,400
not him specifically, but kind of like the direction they've

1133
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,559
been giving him hasn't been great. But like sometimes you

1134
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:30,840
gotta just let people just try and if it doesn't

1135
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,119
work out that, you know, it's it's fine. Like they're

1136
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,840
they're giving these people time to grow and develop, and

1137
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:39,960
that's a great thing. Like you said, the match, I

1138
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,360
will say Maya did a fantastic job selling her leg

1139
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,360
I think she did a really great job. There was

1140
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,880
like a one legging moon Salt as she hit. There

1141
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,480
was a couple of times where they I didn't love

1142
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,519
how they kind of spammed finishes. I hate shot kick

1143
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,880
n X, kickout face. I hate it. It's one of

1144
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,320
the worst tropey things I hate in wrestling. When she

1145
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,519
did the debt, she'da god bless her. I think she's

1146
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:11,199
a good She's obviously like you have to put her

1147
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:14,480
on the mount rushmore of like women like within the

1148
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:18,199
aw like sphere. Since the company's been like in development,

1149
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,320
but she's lost a step Unfortunately she's just not there

1150
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,960
where she was, you know, where she was through or

1151
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,519
four years ago. So I thought that kind of like

1152
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,159
hurt the match quality a little bit. And obviously the

1153
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,079
I wish Maya would have cooked her leg too, but

1154
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:36,320
like you said, maybe the the length of the match

1155
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:38,760
and then maybe them being both tired kind of played

1156
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,360
into the like execution. But yeah, you know, they gave

1157
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,880
Maya the moment, and you know, they gave her like

1158
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,760
the big new champion, the pyro, and I just hope,

1159
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,880
you know, I don't know what her destiny is and

1160
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,599
I'll in, but I really really hope they give her

1161
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,679
like a MIC on Wisday because, like you said, like

1162
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,719
I want to know my biggest thing in wrestling, Greg,

1163
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,280
Like I don't care what their style is, I want

1164
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,480
to know how I can relate to them as like

1165
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,679
a person a character, like give us a little depth

1166
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,920
to your like show fans why we should get behind you.

1167
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,679
Speaker 2: And I don't even think you need to go out

1168
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:23,039
there for the traditional stand in the middle of the

1169
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:25,679
ring talk to the fans interview. I just saw that

1170
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,800
Maya World was on the post show press or that

1171
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,639
aw did I think if there's a way to edit

1172
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:35,960
that clip that up and put it on Dynamite if

1173
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,760
she said anything interesting or constructive to getting over her character,

1174
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,960
I think that would be a great outside the box

1175
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,440
way of doing it, because you know, AW doesn't often

1176
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,480
show a lot of the clips of the pressers that

1177
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:52,800
they do after the show. But if Maya was particularly charming,

1178
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,840
or if she was if she got over or said

1179
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,880
anything interesting, I would be afraid to do that and

1180
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,760
use that kind of as the gateway to other ways

1181
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,480
to introduce your character in subsequent weeks. But even if

1182
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:10,360
you just did that on Dynamite, I think that would

1183
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,239
be a good way to get the ball rolling on

1184
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,039
getting to know more about this person who's now the

1185
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:17,880
TBS champion.

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I agree. Really cool also to have my

1187
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:28,399
World and Kevin I your Faces, TBS and t T

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01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:29,319
really cool.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, pause here just to kind of we've got

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Kellorkelorwade at gmail dot com. Brian, let's go to match

1213
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:05,520
number six. We are halfway through. It was Adam Copeland

1214
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:11,159
and Christian Cage defeating CSARO and Pac. This was another

1215
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:13,720
match and I feel like this is becoming a monthly

1216
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,119
theme here where we always ask ourselves, are the producers?

1217
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:20,720
Are the agents talking to each other? Do they have

1218
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,479
conversations with each other? I tweeted it out on Twitter

1219
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,399
X you can follow me at Greg M Parks. But

1220
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,840
I thought, you know, this is another match where we

1221
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,439
have a tag team partner who is on the outside

1222
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,279
for an extended time selling an injury, just as we

1223
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:39,239
had earlier in the show. So it's it's stuff like

1224
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:44,479
that that is just so easy to fix and it

1225
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,439
keeps happening. So I don't I don't really. They may

1226
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,359
not think it's a big deal to do it in

1227
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,920
multiple matches on a show. I don't know. I think

1228
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,399
it is, but I guess we can we can politely

1229
01:10:55,399 --> 01:11:00,399
differ on that aw And myself, I thought this we

1230
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,840
had Cesorrow and Pack dominating basically the bulk of the match,

1231
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:07,760
which I makes sense to me, Like you've got these

1232
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,399
two guys in their prime in so Sorrow and Pack,

1233
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,479
and they're going against two guys who are very close

1234
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,479
to retirement in Copeland and Cave, So it would make

1235
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,399
sense that the younger guys would have the advantage for

1236
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,359
most of it. Young bucks come out after the match

1237
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:29,600
and sets up a match it all in with Cope

1238
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:35,880
and Christian very I guess I'm a little surprised that

1239
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,319
the lack of fan fair for that. And it was

1240
01:11:38,399 --> 01:11:41,560
just it was very and very simple the way it

1241
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:42,039
was done.

1242
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 3: It was.

1243
01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, there was no cajoling, there was no storyline

1244
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,760
to set it up, and you know they had done

1245
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,119
some things beforehand, so you know, I guess this was

1246
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:56,880
everybody knew this was going to be the ultimate conclusion anyway,

1247
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,680
so why not just put it here on the show

1248
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,279
rather than drag it out necessarily? What'd you think of

1249
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:06,840
the match and what do you think of the announcement

1250
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,239
post match of the young Bucks versus Cope and Christian.

1251
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: It all in well one production thing I wanted to

1252
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,520
actually bring up. I'm surprised you haven't brought it up yet,

1253
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,960
Like this was I believe there was three matches in

1254
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:25,279
total where the Heels jumped the baby Faces before the

1255
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:30,359
match started, so it was this, It was the Dogs

1256
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:36,159
and the book Club and then also in the main event.

1257
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:40,840
Like you said, I just you get I gotta just

1258
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,680
communicate a little bit like you can't do like you know,

1259
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:47,199
I know, earlier this year aw had like the every

1260
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,199
you know, there was two matches on the card, everybody

1261
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:52,000
was kicking out of one everything like that. I just

1262
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,319
communicate talk like there's gotta be there's gotta be like

1263
01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:58,079
the you know, the whiteboard run sheet like somebody like

1264
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,840
there's only so many producers. I can't remember like how

1265
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,520
many there are. But it's just like, you know.

1266
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,239
Speaker 2: Just talk. And I want to point out standard deviation

1267
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:10,399
in the chat says to be fair, when you have

1268
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,840
twelve matches, you're bound to repeat ideas. It's a problem

1269
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,600
of structure, not necessarily communication. I mean, if you only

1270
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,600
have twelve ideas, go beyond that. That's a whole other

1271
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,680
set of issues. Like there's got to be another way

1272
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,720
to tell the story, Like, I mean, how necessary was

1273
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:30,239
Christian being taken out of the match for that type?

1274
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,920
Did it play substantially into the finish or to the

1275
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,680
storyline coming out of the match. No, you could have

1276
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,520
very easily done something completely different in that match than

1277
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,079
what they did.

1278
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now I do acknowledge and appreciate the heels trying

1279
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,479
to take away people singing Cope's song. That's good Heat

1280
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,000
in Canada is like so anywhere? Really? Yes, Yeah, absolutely,

1281
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:58,479
but especially in Canada, I appreciate that, you know, I

1282
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,279
ultimately I think this is a nice little spot for

1283
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:04,760
Coping Cage, like especially as their careers are winding down.

1284
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,000
They're obviously not like top top guys anymore, so the

1285
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:12,439
having them in the tag team division and uh, you know,

1286
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,159
this was a nice little fun tag team match, like

1287
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:21,760
very simple. I actually there was a great breakup towards

1288
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,720
the end where Cage broke up the pinfall. I think

1289
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,159
it was after the death Riders hit, kind of like

1290
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:34,159
the Spike power Driver. Cope got like a great save

1291
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:36,319
and you know, they got the kind of like I

1292
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:38,960
don't want to say out of nowhere like win, but

1293
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:41,640
you know, they picked up the win. It wasn't like

1294
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,279
this spam kickout finishers, which you know, at this stage

1295
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:48,239
in the career, like you don't need to do that,

1296
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,039
And like you mentioned, the setup with the Bucks afterwards

1297
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:55,760
just made sense. I am kind of surprised. I foreshadowed

1298
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:01,920
potentially like some type of crazy TLC combination with them

1299
01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:09,520
FTR and maybe Mystery team debuting potentially, which you know,

1300
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:12,960
I thought maybe like a TLC match could have maybe

1301
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,520
protected Cop and Cage a little bit more but we'll see.

1302
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,319
I'm intrigued, you know, I'll throw my hands up because

1303
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:25,079
I didn't think the FDR match that they had earlier

1304
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:27,039
this year with the cop and Cage was going to

1305
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:29,840
be fantastic, But I mean it was, so I can

1306
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,880
only imagine like what they can do with each other.

1307
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:38,840
I will honestly be disappointed if it does. Like that's

1308
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,720
the standard I'm gonna have for this match. It should

1309
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,520
be great, and it kind of it is kind of

1310
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,720
cool knowing Greg I'll be there live next month and

1311
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,000
I'll kind of really this is kind of like the

1312
01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:52,720
last raw with Coping Cage and that's the you know, ultimately,

1313
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,600
because I think I've asked way at points, like does

1314
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,640
cop and Cage like mean anything to people wanting to

1315
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,359
like go, especially since they've done the discount tickets now

1316
01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:06,479
they're finally really moving tickets, like since it's official now,

1317
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,359
Like I wonder if that actually gets some extra butts

1318
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:10,079
in the seats.

1319
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do wonder that as well. It's it's

1320
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,920
hard to say what moves tickets. I think there's just

1321
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,319
so many different reasons why people do or don't go. Certainly,

1322
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:23,760
the price in prising it down a little bit is

1323
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:26,359
going to help, so the closer we get, I think

1324
01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:29,399
we'll also move a lot more as well.

1325
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,600
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Speaker 2: I mentioned how the Bucks versus Omega and Moxley is

1343
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,760
probably going to be the most polarizing match on the show.

1344
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,800
Lest we forget the Painmaker Chris Jericho against Tamasa Chhampa,

1345
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:41,520
because this is also a contender for perhaps the most

1346
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:49,920
polarizing match on the show. I felt like Beach Break

1347
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:52,760
and the match that they had there should have been

1348
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,760
the blowoff. I thought it was would have been an

1349
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,640
appropriate blowoff match. I thought it was. It kind of

1350
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,920
felt structured like one. It was a memorable match on

1351
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,600
the beach, so I thought that would have been a

1352
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,720
great place to end it. I think it's been kind

1353
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:13,640
of stretched beyond it's beyond its limits at this point

1354
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:18,640
to get us here. This was the one that was bloody,

1355
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:25,000
all kinds of weapons. I think this match was done solely,

1356
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:28,079
and I have no sourcing on this, but I think

1357
01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:30,680
this match was done solely to stick it to Wade,

1358
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:36,359
who complains, you know where I'm going with this, who

1359
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,960
complained in all of his recaps of this this match

1360
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,119
introducing a drill is so stupid. They're never going to

1361
01:18:42,199 --> 01:18:44,319
use it. You can't introduce something like that if you're

1362
01:18:44,359 --> 01:18:46,680
never going to use it, and they used it in

1363
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,319
this match, so they said, see Wade, we introduced it,

1364
01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:56,760
We used the drill exactly who says ribs are from

1365
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:03,199
another another era now. But yeah, this was a lot

1366
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:07,159
of a lot. You had the mid match inclusion of

1367
01:19:07,279 --> 01:19:17,000
the Montreal mascot, which was a very bizarre time out

1368
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:21,680
because you have this blood literally a blood feud going

1369
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,560
on and they're taking time out to joke around with

1370
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:29,000
a tiny mascot. I thought that was it did not

1371
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:32,520
fit the theme of the match, so that was kind

1372
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,640
of odd to me. Talk a little bit about the match,

1373
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,039
but also talk about Chris Jericho's return so far, because

1374
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,680
Jericho has set the standard so high, especially from his

1375
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:50,000
time in WWE, and he has such a lengthy time off.

1376
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:53,039
I think it was over a year that the expectation

1377
01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:55,920
was he would come back with some grand idea about

1378
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:01,319
how to re energize his character. And I think we're

1379
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:03,720
all still kind of waiting for that other shoe to drop.

1380
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,039
We're seeing and we're kind of trying to say, ah

1381
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:09,520
see he's saying this, that must mean that he's going

1382
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,560
to like, we're trying to connect the dots to something more.

1383
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,079
And the longer this goes on the less, I think

1384
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:17,960
there's something more to it and this is just what

1385
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,880
it is. So talk a little bit about what your

1386
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,279
perception of Chris Jericho's return has been like as well

1387
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:26,399
as the match. Was it too much, too violent?

1388
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:32,119
Speaker 3: To whatever? Man, Yeah, the Jericho thing is still like

1389
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,159
an incomplete letter grade for me. I just I'm still

1390
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:37,680
waiting for the other shooter drop. Like you said, I

1391
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,840
will be honest when he came back. I I you know,

1392
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:46,840
very so often can I get my wife to kind of, like,

1393
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,159
you know, get really excited about a segment on Dynamite,

1394
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:55,399
She's like, oh, wrestlings on, That's neat. But then, you know,

1395
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,239
he was doing the promo with Bricochet and I was like, hey,

1396
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,800
I was like, Babe, Jericho's back. And then he went

1397
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,840
through the list and she she popped. She's going crazy.

1398
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,960
She's like the list. So that's like, you know, that's

1399
01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:12,079
what you know. So I was like, okay, so are

1400
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:13,840
we going to just kind of go through these different

1401
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,039
phases of Jericho kind of doing these old characters, which

1402
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,720
I guess he kind of has to agree. He's got

1403
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,560
the list, Jericho, He's done the painmaker. You know what

1404
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:29,760
you know, we've got like sparkly pants Jericho, Like you know,

1405
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,479
I don't know where else we can kind of go

1406
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,880
from here. As far as his character, you know, is

1407
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,520
he going to do the sports entertainer next? Who knows.

1408
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,359
Speaker 2: It's almost like we're seeing pieces of these characters being

1409
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:45,359
presented some subtly because you have to because they're they're

1410
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,279
WWE and you know you can only fly so close

1411
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,359
to the sun with those characters. But you know, he

1412
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:57,199
mentioned the list, Champa had the the the moves right

1413
01:21:57,239 --> 01:22:00,680
from WW and we see the painmak your return. So

1414
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:04,680
it does like you're trying to connect the dots. You're

1415
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,479
trying to say, is there something here that we should

1416
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,560
be paying attention to that means something more than you know,

1417
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,680
are these puzzle pieces that we need to try to

1418
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,119
fit together to figure out what's going on? Or are

1419
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:21,039
we just are we just making something out of nothing?

1420
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, as we talk it through, this might

1421
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,640
kind of just be the Christical experience at this point.

1422
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:31,840
Now I have to you have to acknowledge he's doing jobs.

1423
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:35,640
He might be losing too much, which you know, I

1424
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,159
guess you can kind of discuss that as you will.

1425
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,840
He's taking some gnarly bumps like I and as a

1426
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,079
you know, a guy in his fifties doing what he's doing,

1427
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:48,079
Like I give him all the credit in the world

1428
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:51,199
for that, because I could do that at thirty nine,

1429
01:22:51,279 --> 01:22:55,640
So like kudos to Jericho for doing that. I will

1430
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,640
say this match as a whole, Greg got me kind

1431
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,359
of like more in the movie for the show. I'm

1432
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,000
not necessarily for sports entertainment all the time in aw

1433
01:23:08,119 --> 01:23:10,800
but if the tone is there, and it just felt

1434
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,800
like this was like the fans really needed this, because

1435
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,840
I felt like this was one of the loudest reactions

1436
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,600
they got all night. Obviously like Champa doing like the

1437
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,399
Boston Bruins, Jersey got like good heat and then beating

1438
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,399
up the mascot, I saw more positive reactions, and this

1439
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,640
was a match where I thought I was gonna feel

1440
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,399
the same for the dog collar or like the chain

1441
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,159
match as for this, but no, I was. This was

1442
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:38,920
an over delivery for me. And obviously did they overdo

1443
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,600
it in certain spots, like yes, absolutely, the drill thing

1444
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:49,359
was very silly, like obviously Jericho didn't commit murder, which

1445
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,760
obviously they sold it as. But like you said, like

1446
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,680
why would they do this entire time. So in my hand,

1447
01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:57,199
like in my mind, Champ, I better have like a

1448
01:23:57,279 --> 01:24:01,079
huge like don kallis like hole on his forehead like

1449
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:05,319
the rest of the way. And you know, I don't

1450
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:09,760
know what's next for Jericho. I would I under the

1451
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,560
impression if I'm putting Jericho in the best position, I

1452
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,880
think he needs to be in an attack division. I've

1453
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,279
always enjoyed his work as attack I actually liked the

1454
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:20,720
list Sex Gods a lot with him and Sammuy Gervara,

1455
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,239
who might need you know, a guy reach out to

1456
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:26,119
him for a hand. At this point, maybe I don't

1457
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:29,039
know what's going on with him, but yeah, I don't know.

1458
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:30,800
I just you see what Cop and Kate is doing,

1459
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:34,880
and I you can't tell me Jericho couldn't do the

1460
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,159
same thing. Jericho could be a great hot tag guy

1461
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,279
like and you know, I just I feel like that's

1462
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:43,960
the best solution for him. I don't know what you

1463
01:24:44,039 --> 01:24:46,279
do with him at all. In I was really trying

1464
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,560
to I was trying to rack my brain Greg, like

1465
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,000
what do you do with Jericho? Because I had thought

1466
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,720
when he returned, I was pitching for him to kind

1467
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,079
of return versus Hangman last year as like a key

1468
01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:01,720
Ol opponent just because you know, Jericho beat him before

1469
01:25:02,079 --> 01:25:05,079
their story there. But I just don't know, like what

1470
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:07,000
you do with him? And then if this is kind

1471
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,439
of what the Jericho experience is, does that lose his

1472
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,960
star power? Like does he have that you know draw

1473
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:16,359
that you know Jericho once did a few years ago.

1474
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you would think that

1475
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,039
someone of his stature is going to have something meaningful

1476
01:25:23,079 --> 01:25:26,600
to do at a show like all In. You know,

1477
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,079
you look at some of the top heels.

1478
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:28,319
Speaker 3: Is it?

1479
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: Is it Kyle Fletcher? Is it? John Moxley? Is it?

1480
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,159
I mean I was gonna say Mark Davis, but he's

1481
01:25:38,199 --> 01:25:40,000
not really champion anymore. So I'm not sure if he's

1482
01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:42,560
going to be in a in a big position. Come

1483
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:49,000
all in, good fellow, says Kevin Knight. I'll possibly say that.

1484
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 3: That's reserved for Darby Allen at this point, I imagine that's, uh,

1485
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,640
that's got Coffin match written all over it. I think, kay.

1486
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 2: So, I mean there's no shortage of heels for you know,

1487
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,199
big heels for him to do something at with all In.

1488
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,399
It's just a matter of you know, going back to

1489
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,800
the puzzle, metaphor, it's a matter of fitting the puzzle

1490
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,880
piece together on this card and you know, finding a

1491
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:17,039
dance partner for everybody before we move on. Question from

1492
01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:19,479
the chat, why did the match stop so fast because

1493
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,039
of the drill? Well, when you take a drill and

1494
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:26,039
you drill someone's head, as as christ Jericho did to Champa,

1495
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,359
it tends to cause them to want to submit very quickly.

1496
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,039
So I think that is where and Brian correct me

1497
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:35,800
if I'm wrong, that's probably where the match ending so quickly.

1498
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,760
Once that was the drill was drilled into Tamassa Champa's

1499
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,319
head and he submitted. I can't blame.

1500
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 3: Him, yes, I will say, I don't know if you

1501
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,079
caught this, Greg, did you see like the fantastic camera

1502
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:53,600
shot where it was Champ of bleeding profusely and then

1503
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:58,840
like the mascotes, Yes, at the very end like top notch,

1504
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:01,760
like that was actually like really really good. I was like, Okay,

1505
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,720
this worth it, like this entire if that was the

1506
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,840
entire purpose of the match or who idea, like whether

1507
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,000
that was Jericho's idea or production at the back, that

1508
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:10,880
was fantastic.

1509
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 2: That was very well done. Match number eight Andrade winning

1510
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:21,079
the AW national title from Mark Davis. I think, you know,

1511
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:26,079
Davis is a great success story of AW booking because

1512
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:28,560
he was a guy that I could have absolutely been.

1513
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,640
I could have seen him being left for dead after

1514
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:39,159
Kyle Fletcher had his star turn Davis got hurt. It

1515
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:42,039
would have been very easy for and I thought, you know,

1516
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:45,000
based on the early booking of him, I didn't have

1517
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:46,640
a lot of confidence that they were going to do

1518
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:51,199
much with him. But he's been a real find. And

1519
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:56,239
so when holding the national title, getting a match on

1520
01:27:56,279 --> 01:27:59,239
a pay per view like this against Andrade and really shining,

1521
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:02,359
this is a really good match, I thought has been

1522
01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:05,039
awesome for Mark Davis, and so kudos to him for

1523
01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:09,560
stepping up. Kudos to AW for sticking with him when

1524
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,279
it would have been very easy to just kind of

1525
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:14,560
discard him and either get rid of him, let his

1526
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,520
contract lapse, you know, throw him on Collision to do

1527
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,119
jobs or whatever like that. But he's been he's been

1528
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:25,479
a real find. But Androte gets to win another one

1529
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,199
of those matches where you kind of see a title

1530
01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:30,279
change coming, it sets the ball rolling for Androtte to

1531
01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:33,479
continue to take out members of the Don Kallis family

1532
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,520
as he works his way up to aw title contention.

1533
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:44,520
So in Andrade after the match, shaking hands with everybody,

1534
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,159
I thought someone was going to attack him out of

1535
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,479
the crowd. I thought they were setting up setting up

1536
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,479
an angle for that, whether it was a Kallus family

1537
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,560
member whomever, because they were with him. The camera stayed

1538
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,079
with him, and he was celebrating with everybody at ringside

1539
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,520
yes a while. And there was in the corner when

1540
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,239
he was talking to this woman, there was a guy

1541
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:05,279
who had a drink up and he was just staring

1542
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:09,119
and I'm like, what's that guy up to? But he

1543
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:10,760
just walked by. I thought it was gonna be like

1544
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,159
the boyfriend finally, the boyfriend of one of these women

1545
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,159
that he's hitting on and he's had enough or whatever

1546
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:17,239
like that. I thought maybe they were setting something up.

1547
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:20,960
But no, Yeah, Androde, I like what they're doing. I

1548
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,600
like the baby face turn. Fans were clearly getting behind

1549
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,920
him even while he was a heel, so they kind

1550
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,960
of struck at the right time with him for this

1551
01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:33,079
baby face turn. And lord knows, they have no shortage

1552
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:35,279
of Don Callos family heels for him to get through

1553
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,159
as he as they bide time waiting for the right

1554
01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:41,840
time for him to challenge for the AW Championship.

1555
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I ANDROTI might be like a story like

1556
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,399
the story in twenty twenty six. I wonder if somehow,

1557
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:58,439
like there's like an unreal episode of like Michael Hayes

1558
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:07,640
Richard watching AW Dynamite and asking how did how did

1559
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,119
they get this guy over? And the fact that he's

1560
01:30:10,119 --> 01:30:13,800
got a catchphrase how you know, like something so like

1561
01:30:14,399 --> 01:30:17,439
you know, because he's done that bit before. When you

1562
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,159
know he did it, you know, with Tony Savanni. I

1563
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:22,720
think it was like it originated at a rampage show

1564
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,039
and he's gotten it over and he was a guy

1565
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,119
you know when he came back, like I kind of

1566
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:34,720
just like was like okay, sure, like you know, you know,

1567
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,399
and all the reports before he got like came back again.

1568
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,000
You know, he left on good terms and you know whatever.

1569
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:43,239
The weird thing was like he debuted, re debuted, he

1570
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:47,319
had to lead because of contract legal ality. Who I

1571
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:49,119
don't think we ever got the full story on that.

1572
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,119
Speaker 2: His contract I think was for longer than what he thought.

1573
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:56,960
So he thought his contract was up and WW legal said, uh,

1574
01:30:57,079 --> 01:30:59,239
it's not up until such and such a date, and

1575
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:01,560
so they had to stop using him until that date came,

1576
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,119
is what I recall.

1577
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:08,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that that that is probably that sounds about right,

1578
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:13,079
but yeah, I mean, you know, and I don't know

1579
01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:14,000
when it started.

1580
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean his match quality. The thing about it is

1581
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,039
it's always been there, So he's always been able to

1582
01:31:19,039 --> 01:31:23,079
do that. I will say since he's come back to

1583
01:31:23,159 --> 01:31:28,479
AW this time around, he's definitely trimmed down on you know,

1584
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,039
because he used to be jacked like he was almost

1585
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:36,039
like super heavyweight as far as like his bulk, but

1586
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:41,119
he's slimmed down, kept his speed, you know. His move

1587
01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:43,319
set is still some of the coolest stuff that you'll

1588
01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:46,640
see on AW. And that speaks for like a lot

1589
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,600
to me personally, Like his uh spinning back elbow just

1590
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,920
sounds like death anytime he hits it. It's it's it's

1591
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:59,760
a great, uh, you know, move set. And I want

1592
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,840
to greg he initially started getting over on Collision when

1593
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,159
he started, just like fans were channing take your pants off,

1594
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,199
and you know, I and I think that was like

1595
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:13,279
one of the first shows he did, like the selfie bit,

1596
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:15,920
and I remember I was not at a Dynamite where

1597
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:21,399
he beat he beats Swerve. Fans were super over, like

1598
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,880
loads of fans channing take your pants off, and I

1599
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,960
was like, man, this is incredible, Like I just I

1600
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,479
wouldn't have not had this on the Bengo board, like

1601
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,159
at all that Androtti is getting over as a baby

1602
01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:35,680
face first and foremost, he's got to catch phase over

1603
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,640
and like he's like and I and again.

1604
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,279
Speaker 2: But so much as that was accidental too, I mean

1605
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:44,239
you think.

1606
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 3: So Greg, they have they have to be Ruce Prichard

1607
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,760
has to be furious in the back that like he's

1608
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,359
a Latino heart throb. How long has WW been trying

1609
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:56,039
to find that?

1610
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,560
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and and I mean you look

1611
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:04,680
at him and he looks like a superstar. He wrestles

1612
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,199
like a superstar. And yet it's taken the series of

1613
01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:13,439
accidental things, the catchphrase of the pants, you know, even

1614
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,760
the women at ringside, which I don't know that that

1615
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,359
was ever meant to be a long term thing. It

1616
01:33:20,039 --> 01:33:22,640
like right, it kind of felt like a one off

1617
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,520
that just somebody said, hey, let's do that again, and

1618
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,720
it just kind of snowballed from there. But it's taken

1619
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,399
all of these kind of little things to get him over,

1620
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,560
whereas when you look at him, it's like it should

1621
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,960
have been from day one, like it should have been automatic.

1622
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1623
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,720
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1632
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Speaker 3: Daily Cast Feed. And like, I love the new did

1633
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,000
you like his new tron his presentation of like him

1634
01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:31,600
as like the true Latino heart throb, like on the

1635
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:32,720
boat And.

1636
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,319
Speaker 2: Then he's like, I don't think I saw that.

1637
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:38,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, that that looked great. I don't think that.

1638
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:40,760
I think Sean russ Up pointed out that wasn't a

1639
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,920
Mikey Ruckus production, But like, I don't know, he got

1640
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:48,680
like the superstar repackaged representation as a traditional babyface. Now

1641
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:52,520
you know he's a singles champion, which is great, and

1642
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,479
yeah he's another one he's like like Bandido. You almost

1643
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,279
have to kind of find a way to pencil him

1644
01:34:58,279 --> 01:35:01,000
in on a paper book card because like he's great.

1645
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,359
You know, he's delivered each time he's gotten an opportunity,

1646
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:08,920
and you know, maybe he's a guy that you could

1647
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,319
have wreussell Kenny Omega at the Grand Slam or the

1648
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,680
you know, Mexico Show, because he did beat Omega, so

1649
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,680
that he's got and he's been saying he wants his

1650
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,359
world title shot, even though, like you know, the uptem

1651
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,600
singles title holders demand to be two belt people, which

1652
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,840
I wish that would stop being a thing in wrestling

1653
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,159
in twenty twenty six, Corregt, I appreciate the title that

1654
01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:32,239
you have, Yeah, being so greedy.

1655
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 2: Yes, Then, speaking of Willow Nightingale wins the Women's World

1656
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,920
title over Tekla in the semi main event of this show,

1657
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:46,079
and I had to point out on social media just

1658
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:49,279
how strange this whole odyssey for Willow Nightingale has been

1659
01:35:49,279 --> 01:35:52,479
since her injury. She wins the title, she gives up

1660
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,159
the title because she's injured, she comes back, and I think,

1661
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,359
if I have my timeline correct, she came back before

1662
01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:04,760
the tournament was ever over. To crown a new champion. Yeah,

1663
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,079
I think that that track, but she gets onto the

1664
01:36:09,119 --> 01:36:12,640
world title track, and so I'm winning the world title

1665
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,079
after she comes back from injury. So it's just the

1666
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,880
step by step has been strange in the way this

1667
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,399
has worked out for Willow, but couldn't happen to a

1668
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,720
nicer person because she seems awesome and I'm super happy

1669
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:31,520
for her, you know, just like my world for Willa

1670
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,800
to win this, and and people who've listened to these

1671
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,479
shows for long enough, and back to Wrestling Night in

1672
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,079
America when I was doing it weekly, know that I've

1673
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:46,159
been pushing for Willow almost since she started in AW

1674
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:50,279
as someone who should be a big star in the company,

1675
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:53,239
so I'm glad to see her get this title here.

1676
01:36:55,359 --> 01:36:58,960
I thought this match worked really well because Willow and

1677
01:36:59,039 --> 01:37:03,680
Tekla both bring different energy to the match, and you know,

1678
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,920
Willow comes at it from the most extreme babyface end

1679
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,319
of the spectrum and Tecla comes at it from the

1680
01:37:10,319 --> 01:37:14,439
most extreme heel end of the spectrum, so that that

1681
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:19,000
was cool to see them that come to a head

1682
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:21,479
in a match. I thought that really worked well here,

1683
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:26,640
and they played off each other really well, so I

1684
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,680
really enjoyed this match. You know, we had Skyblue interfering,

1685
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,560
But what do you think Brian.

1686
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 3: Mixed emotions, Greg, Honestly because I didn't want Tecla to lose.

1687
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:41,880
I felt like.

1688
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,279
Speaker 2: If there was a way for Willow to win in

1689
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:46,800
Techla to not lose, that would have been the ideal results.

1690
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:53,199
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, just because, like you mentioned, Tecla has been,

1691
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,800
you know, the standard bearer of the division since Tony

1692
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,239
Storm has been gone since March of this year. She's

1693
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,159
kind of felt this. You know, Tony Storm left a big,

1694
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,960
huge gap in the division and that's not an easy

1695
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,279
role to fill, and Tekla by all means, has been.

1696
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,199
You know. So she's very unique on how she carries herself.

1697
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:17,079
It doesn't matter on her, you know, size at all

1698
01:38:17,239 --> 01:38:20,880
because obviously she's not the tallest woman, but she carries

1699
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,800
herself different. She has a different cadence in her promos.

1700
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,760
Not every promo has been She's had like the occasional

1701
01:38:28,079 --> 01:38:30,920
one that's not been as great, but like she's very entertaining.

1702
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,039
She has almost kind of like a razor ramone kind

1703
01:38:34,039 --> 01:38:37,520
of like twained like how she like has her swag.

1704
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,680
It's very it's you know it's very entertaining, very refreshing

1705
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:45,159
because she's so different. I part of me, like I

1706
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,119
struggle with this because, like you said, Greg, you know,

1707
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:52,680
I love will and Nightingale. She's great. I do understand

1708
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,119
if people have kind of like their gripes on how

1709
01:38:56,159 --> 01:39:00,399
she's presented on TV, because I think Wade's mentioned, uh,

1710
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,640
like her character trait like just not necessarily like Willow,

1711
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,439
like how she's awkward, but just like there hasn't been

1712
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,720
enough depth in her character on like giving us more

1713
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,359
behind the scenes of who she is. And she always

1714
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:19,079
has a small like small anyway anything, but like I

1715
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:21,560
will say, like the vignettes as she was coming back,

1716
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,479
like super early did a great job with that, and

1717
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:29,039
you know from the story like a story standpoint, her

1718
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:33,159
mer cities, like there's so much history there like that

1719
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,920
you can kind of go to and pull out, you know,

1720
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,279
in the next thirty days or so. I wonder, like, God,

1721
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:43,279
does it suck to have because ultimately it sounds I

1722
01:39:43,279 --> 01:39:47,600
don't know, it sounds like Willow injury. Injury kind of

1723
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:51,680
like made like a detour on things where maybe Willow

1724
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,039
was the one that was meant to win, to own

1725
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:59,359
and win at all. In potentially who knows, But like

1726
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:03,279
you said, someth I'm the injuries kind of like maybe

1727
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:07,439
curse the show in a way and derailed plans and

1728
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,800
sometimes you got to just make the best of the situation.

1729
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,159
And I will say I did not love that sky

1730
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:15,399
Blue spot. I thought that kind of looked dumb because

1731
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,720
Techno kind of made that on her own. And I

1732
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:22,800
didn't love the rough reeze position where they kind of

1733
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,079
I was like, dude, you I was like, ah, you're

1734
01:40:25,159 --> 01:40:28,800
right there looking at her. That's not necessarily ideal overcomes,

1735
01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:33,119
which is fine. I would have liked to have like

1736
01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:35,720
a little bit more build too, and then Willow get

1737
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,399
a little bit more I just I didn't I wanted

1738
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,199
to have like a little bit more react. I thought

1739
01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:43,640
you got like a better reaction, and it felt like

1740
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,319
when she won the TBS title for Mercedes at the

1741
01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:52,319
New Year's Eve show, and I don't know happy with

1742
01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:55,520
Perillo said that. I mean, you know, just because they

1743
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,359
make a graphic doesn't mean that you can't necessarily add

1744
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:02,079
another person. I thought maybe if you were gonna have

1745
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:05,600
a triple threat, this was probably the one you potentially add,

1746
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,800
because I mean, Tekla has been great but you know,

1747
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:19,560
ultimately Mercedes is the biggest star. Obviously, she came back

1748
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:24,079
for a reason. She won the Owen. I think she's

1749
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:27,359
probably gonna thurn Willow. People might get annoyed, but I

1750
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,800
just think she's the big it's the biggest show. She's

1751
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:35,479
the biggest star on the stage. That's probably. And then

1752
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,239
you know, not only that, like in her entering quality

1753
01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:42,479
is really great, like really, I think if anything from

1754
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,199
that maya world match like it kind of showed her

1755
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:48,840
strength as like a ring general at this point as well.

1756
01:41:49,279 --> 01:41:52,880
And you know, their chemistry of Mercedes and Willow has

1757
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,079
been fantastic as well. So happy for Willow, but I

1758
01:41:57,239 --> 01:41:59,039
presume this is probably gonna be a short rain. I

1759
01:41:59,039 --> 01:42:00,520
think Mercedes wins all.

1760
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:06,159
Speaker 2: In yeah, go hoops junkies said, I get it with Willow,

1761
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:08,119
but Tecklo was, in my opinion, the best to ever

1762
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:10,760
hold the women's title. And it appears that Willow will

1763
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,000
drop the title to Mercedes in a Darby esque fashion.

1764
01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:17,479
I assume the Darby esque is a short title reign,

1765
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,079
not that she's going to jump off some high thing

1766
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,800
and do some deathifying moves. But yeah, that that kind

1767
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:32,520
of feels like I mean Willow could win. I certainly wouldn't,

1768
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:41,680
you know, eliminate that idea out of hand, but feels like,

1769
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,800
you know, Mercedes, I wouldn't be surprised if Mercedes wins

1770
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,039
and Willow has a short rain.

1771
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know there was a common in chat.

1772
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:52,600
I don't know if they were saying that and Jeff,

1773
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,479
but somebody was asking if Mercedes loses, they could debut

1774
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:01,640
Bailey as a distraction. But I don't know if legally

1775
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:06,159
they can. Although I've seen I'm starting kind of maybe

1776
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:10,399
speculate Bailey still could be over sooner than people think.

1777
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,880
I don't know. Wade might have more about that in

1778
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,880
the coming weeks, hopefully to kind of clarify, but I

1779
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,159
don't think she could legally pop up.

1780
01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:22,319
Speaker 2: I don't even know when her contract expires.

1781
01:43:23,359 --> 01:43:25,399
Speaker 3: I've heard different things. Some people think it's the end

1782
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,600
of the year. Some people think it's September. I don't know,

1783
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,720
like it just nobody's really gotten kind of like a

1784
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:35,399
one way or another. Although Bailey did work at a

1785
01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:39,399
hostel last night in San Jose, that doesn't necessarily mean

1786
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,640
anything because you know, she was just there. It's a

1787
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,279
house show, doesn't really matter, so but I can't see

1788
01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:50,079
Bailey popping in at all. In it would be really cool,

1789
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:55,239
and I hope she does come in to Ultimately, I

1790
01:43:55,279 --> 01:43:57,960
hope she gets paid. She should leverage both companies. She

1791
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:02,279
should absolutely get it back. She's, you know, an integral

1792
01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:06,039
part on like women's wrestling. She should absolutely get it back.

1793
01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:09,119
And but honestly, I would hope she pops up in

1794
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:12,720
AW because again, it would add to the depth and

1795
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:16,520
I would be really intrigued to see what Bailey in

1796
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,000
this stage of career. Like, I don't need Bailey to

1797
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:21,920
have a five star match, Greg, I just need I

1798
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,000
need a character, and I need ideas to look at

1799
01:44:25,079 --> 01:44:27,760
and then just the variety of matches that you can

1800
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,520
have with Bailey potentially on this roster or Pam like

1801
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,079
her like actual name or whatever, you know, whatever name

1802
01:44:35,159 --> 01:44:38,520
she'll go by. But you know you've got her Mercedes obviously,

1803
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:47,199
her and Willow Statlander, Tecla, Queen Amanada, Maya World, Megan Bain.

1804
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,920
There's a plethora of people I'm sure Bailey would love to,

1805
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,960
you know, have a go at.

1806
01:44:55,319 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 2: We've reached the main event. Kenny Omega versus Kevin Knight.

1807
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,319
Let's split this into two we'll take the match first

1808
01:45:01,359 --> 01:45:04,680
and then we'll do the post match. So can you

1809
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:09,039
Omega wins? I'm I'm sure that's not uh yeah, that's

1810
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:13,720
that's not headline news or anything like that. The way

1811
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:19,720
I looked at this is Aw's goal should have been

1812
01:45:21,399 --> 01:45:26,319
too pronged in this match. The first is keep Kenny

1813
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:32,920
strong heading into his his match with will Osprey at

1814
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:36,800
all in a foregone conclusion even before the match started.

1815
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:43,479
But you also want to establish Night. I mean this

1816
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:47,279
is this is a great opportunity for AW in some

1817
01:45:47,319 --> 01:45:49,880
ways to not have Omega versus MJF.

1818
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:50,039
Speaker 4: Here.

1819
01:45:50,119 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: You have the opportunity to establish a new main eventor

1820
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:57,880
main eventing a pay per view in Kevin Knight. Is

1821
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:03,560
he gonna win? No, But if Omega treats him as

1822
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,600
such in the match, you know, night could be. This

1823
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,680
could be step one or whatever you want to call

1824
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:16,159
it toward Kevin Knight being cemented down the line as

1825
01:46:16,199 --> 01:46:21,000
a main event guy in AW. That was my take

1826
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,520
anyway on what the goals should have been for this match.

1827
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,680
Do you think those goals were accomplished?

1828
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, I do think it's you

1829
01:46:32,199 --> 01:46:34,760
could kind of say a lot where you know, technically

1830
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,920
this is Kevin Knight's second straight you know, pay perview

1831
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,319
cycle where he's main invented, which is kind of cool

1832
01:46:41,319 --> 01:46:43,439
because you know, he was in that triage of like

1833
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:47,960
a team Don Kallis and you know, like you said,

1834
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,760
there was like, uh, you know, objective one obviously keep

1835
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,079
Kenny strong, which he did. And it was nice to

1836
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:56,000
have serious Kenny Omega for a change, just because I

1837
01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:59,439
joke with Wade about Kenny Omega all the time. Greg.

1838
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,560
There's just times where I just get really annoyed with

1839
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,680
Kenny Omega just because he's so dang aloof and it's

1840
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,159
just like, Kenny, I need you to be a little

1841
01:47:08,199 --> 01:47:11,560
bit serious. And you know, throughout this build and then

1842
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,159
winning the title, he's come out and suits. He's not

1843
01:47:14,279 --> 01:47:16,680
just wearing just like random athletic gear. He looks like

1844
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,439
the business. You know, he's got the jacket. You know,

1845
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,760
he just you know, I want you to be fired

1846
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,319
up and not just be like so lase fair about stuff.

1847
01:47:24,359 --> 01:47:28,119
So that was that was refreshing to see. He did,

1848
01:47:28,359 --> 01:47:30,840
like look like a killer throughout, so good on him

1849
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:35,319
for that. And yeah, like you said, it was it

1850
01:47:35,359 --> 01:47:37,600
was really cool to see Kevin in the spot like,

1851
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,239
he's a guy I've seen on the indie seeing indie

1852
01:47:40,279 --> 01:47:45,560
scene as well. And again for anybody who's listening, cause

1853
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,520
still go to indie shows because it's really cool when

1854
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,640
you watch somebody at a local show and then like

1855
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:54,439
two or three years years later they're like innovating like

1856
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,319
a mainstream wrestling show. It's it's it's really cool. And

1857
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,640
if you ever want to get in like the you

1858
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:04,319
know space and have relationships, like, that's how you start it. Yeah,

1859
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:08,680
how you gain relationships. Just food for thought there for

1860
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:09,920
anybody wanting to dive in.

1861
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,800
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01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,920
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Speaker 3: But yeah, Kevin had a different Any thoughts on the

1877
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:03,239
new theme potentially? What do we think of the new

1878
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,560
music presentation for Kevin Knight?

1879
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 2: Greg Well Folks in the Chest said he looked cool,

1880
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:18,000
but you know I was. I think that's a good

1881
01:49:18,079 --> 01:49:23,039
way to establish yourself as a main inventor. Like, Okay,

1882
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:27,479
I'm kind of shedding that. I don't want to say

1883
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,159
mid card, but you know that that mid card tag

1884
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:33,880
team with Mike Bailey look, and I'm this is how

1885
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,359
I want you to see me now as a main

1886
01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:40,359
eventor right. So I think I think that's an important transition.

1887
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:44,760
Even if the look is not everybody's favorite. And I

1888
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,760
don't know what the consensus is going to be on

1889
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,760
Kevin Knight, but just that change, I think is a

1890
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:56,800
signal to the fans watching this guy's different. He's taking

1891
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,800
a step up now and so that I think that helps.

1892
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:06,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's been a guy I will be honest,

1893
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:10,039
I have not loved the don Kallis pairing with him, honestly,

1894
01:50:10,119 --> 01:50:14,600
and as they kind of you know, his relationship with

1895
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,239
the group the past couple week has been interesting how

1896
01:50:17,239 --> 01:50:20,640
they kind of showcased it. It kind of makes me think, Okay,

1897
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,159
we got to just like straight get rid of this

1898
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,439
because it seems like Kevin Knight is trying to project

1899
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,560
it it's not working. Or are we gonna just self

1900
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,319
kind of like just admit, like, okay, this isn't working.

1901
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:34,079
We're gonna just like Kevin Knight be a heel by

1902
01:50:34,119 --> 01:50:40,159
himself and see what that looks like. I wouldn't mind

1903
01:50:40,319 --> 01:50:42,640
them kind of just going away from the don Kallis family,

1904
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:46,319
just because even though people have not loved Kevin Knight's

1905
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:50,640
like heal cadence, sometimes you just let him figure it out,

1906
01:50:51,039 --> 01:50:53,000
Like let him figure it out. Like I know, it's

1907
01:50:53,039 --> 01:50:55,760
easy to have like a you know, a mouthpiece like

1908
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,000
a Stoke Lee or somebody like that that aw could

1909
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:02,399
obviously use that. Frankly, I think it would be better

1910
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:07,520
than Don Callous honestly, but you know, Knight is someone

1911
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,239
that I don't think needs to be in this big

1912
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,840
goofy faction of people just because I think not that

1913
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,920
he would be overshadowed. It's just like I want to

1914
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,720
focus be on him and not the not Don Callis

1915
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,079
or the family. It should be focused on Kevin Knight

1916
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because he's a guy under thirty that they're trying to

1917
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,119
build for the future and obviously, like you've got new

1918
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:30,680
TV deals coming like the you want to pitch Kevin

1919
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,880
Knight to the executives of Paramount and the Ellison family

1920
01:51:34,079 --> 01:51:37,159
just saying, hey, he's he's our face, Like he's going

1921
01:51:37,239 --> 01:51:39,760
to be made inventing shows the next like three or

1922
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,279
four years. And he's been another one Greg where I've

1923
01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:46,560
been really happy on the on the the follow up

1924
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:50,319
of him because when he beat Darby Allen and the

1925
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:53,560
C two, I don't think I ever like that was

1926
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,439
one of my favorite shows I've ever done with Wade, honestly,

1927
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:59,159
just because I felt like that was like the most

1928
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:02,119
like oh my god, like aw just made a potential start,

1929
01:52:02,199 --> 01:52:05,119
like let's keep going, and they have, and you know,

1930
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,840
I would say the Night overall kind of put a

1931
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bow on it.

1932
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Speaker 2: And Standard Deviation in the chat says, it reminds me

1933
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:13,840
of Fletcher's main event eighteen months ago, and I think

1934
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:18,399
if Kevin Knight finds himself in the situation Kevin Kyle

1935
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,159
Fletcher is in eighteen months from now, I think that's

1936
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:24,000
a good space to be in, where you know you're

1937
01:52:24,079 --> 01:52:26,800
seen as kind of a made man as Kyle Fletcher

1938
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,760
is today. You know, Kyle Fletcher's not made of any

1939
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,800
every pay per view, but he's certainly a guy who

1940
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,880
I think fans look at as someone who could be

1941
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,079
plugged into to the main events and someone who is

1942
01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:41,800
probably going to be the future of AW five ten

1943
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,840
years down the road. So a good spot to be

1944
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,560
in for sure. The post match, we had a wheeler

1945
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,880
da Daniel Garcia, and I should mention earlier in the show,

1946
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:57,840
there's a backstage tete a tet between John Moxley and

1947
01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:01,159
Will Osbury where Max so he basically says if you

1948
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:04,880
can't do it, I'll show you how it's done, or

1949
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:09,920
or we'll do it for you in that aggressiveness, and

1950
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,239
so here comes the Death Riders out to attack Kenny Omega,

1951
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:17,399
softening him up for will Osprey. Osprey comes out makes

1952
01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:22,159
the save for Kenny Omega. Mox gives Osprey a bag,

1953
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:27,079
a bag that he used to suffocate Brian Danielson some

1954
01:53:27,159 --> 01:53:31,119
time ago. Osprey seems to consider the bag much more

1955
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:33,119
than he considered using the chair, which I thought again

1956
01:53:33,399 --> 01:53:37,359
a strange but Ospray ended up ripping up the bag

1957
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:42,560
didn't use it takes out the other Death Riders, so

1958
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:46,000
it seems to be his swan song for being a

1959
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:50,560
part of the Death Riders group. Omega comes to kind

1960
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,319
of celebrate set first with Osprey. The young Bucks were

1961
01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:56,560
out as well, and then he attacks Osprey leaves him

1962
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:00,239
laying at the end of the show, which I didn't

1963
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:04,239
see coming. I thought they would go in to all

1964
01:54:04,319 --> 01:54:07,000
in and maybe they still will. Maybe this will be

1965
01:54:07,039 --> 01:54:13,000
explained away on Dynamite. So I guess my question is

1966
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,319
are they positioning Kenny Omega as a heel against Babyface

1967
01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:20,319
will Ospury knowing that Osprey is going to get cheered

1968
01:54:20,319 --> 01:54:25,199
anyway in the UK or was this just a slight

1969
01:54:25,319 --> 01:54:29,359
diversion and Omega is really going to air more on

1970
01:54:29,399 --> 01:54:31,239
the side of a babyface in this build up and

1971
01:54:31,279 --> 01:54:35,920
it'll be more Babyface versus baby Face. Maybe Omega plays

1972
01:54:36,319 --> 01:54:39,000
a little heelish, but he's not a heel. If they

1973
01:54:39,039 --> 01:54:43,199
can circle that square or square that circle, I'm not

1974
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:45,319
sure it matters which which one is which? But I

1975
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:48,439
think it's square that circle. But I digress, as as

1976
01:54:48,439 --> 01:54:51,560
would say, so do you do you see it more?

1977
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:57,359
A's Omega heel straight up or they kind of ride

1978
01:54:58,279 --> 01:55:02,199
with you know, Omega kind of riding the line between

1979
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:03,600
heel and babyface.

1980
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,279
Speaker 3: Right in the line. I think that's probably the latter.

1981
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:10,840
It makes more sense. I wonder objectively if Omega is

1982
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:16,479
thinking like not that he got everything, you know, confused,

1983
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:18,479
because you know, I'm sure I don't know if he's

1984
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,760
like lift more because you know, I don't know if

1985
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,920
you know this great so Live Morgan. She's the avid

1986
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,600
watcher of watching Monday Night. We're all on Netflix all

1987
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,960
the time. So I wonder if Kenny and Mega is

1988
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,159
gonna go back and rewatch this and still be upset.

1989
01:55:31,239 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say Live Morgan was an

1990
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,560
avid watcher of the show. Oh, I did not know that.

1991
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:38,680
But she is who knows, she might be who knows?

1992
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:43,159
Speaker 3: Okay, But I wonder if ultimately, if I can try

1993
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,439
to make sense of like the cannon. I wonder if

1994
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,000
Omega is more just annoyed with will Osprey just because

1995
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:53,000
he told him don't trust these guys. He warned him,

1996
01:55:53,359 --> 01:55:58,720
He warned you, and he still is not necessarily mad

1997
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,560
that Osprey thought about it or even considered it. He's

1998
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:05,840
just like, I'm really mad at you, Like I told

1999
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,800
you this was gonna happen, and that's what you get

2000
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:13,159
kind of thing, and we'll see you one month month

2001
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:15,439
from now. I don't I don't think we're gonna get

2002
01:56:15,479 --> 01:56:18,600
the you know, the Kenny Omega don caallis heel. I

2003
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:21,039
think they'll have a way to kind of like tet

2004
01:56:21,079 --> 01:56:26,680
a tet uh, you know, dynamite. We'll see what happens ultimately.

2005
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:30,680
Like you said, I don't, even though the people were

2006
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,399
still going to cheer for, you know, Omega, just because

2007
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:38,039
this this is something the UK proper have been asking

2008
01:56:38,119 --> 01:56:40,760
for a year since they started doing these shows. They

2009
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,880
want the proper Kenney Omega singles match at Wembley and

2010
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,279
they're gonna get it, and I'm gonna see it live

2011
01:56:46,319 --> 01:56:49,439
and I'm I'm really looking. I'm fascinated to see what

2012
01:56:49,479 --> 01:56:52,640
it is and looks like I'm you know, I was.

2013
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,560
I will say when I saw the Omega Ocado match

2014
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:01,000
last year, it kind of left me. I don't know,

2015
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:04,840
I felt like that wasn't necessarily it I you know,

2016
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,800
it just didn't hit the watermark for me. And I'm

2017
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,600
really fascinated to see like what a proper in the

2018
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:16,560
mood Kenney Omega looks like, because you know, he's winding

2019
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:19,199
down a little bit, and he might be kind of

2020
01:57:19,239 --> 01:57:22,800
like on the Roman Remains schedule potentially because I mean,

2021
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:26,840
my god, like he absolutely should because like all things considered,

2022
01:57:27,159 --> 01:57:28,119
he was wrestling more.

2023
01:57:28,199 --> 01:57:31,159
Speaker 2: He's wrestling more than I expected him to at this point.

2024
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:36,079
Speaker 3: Yes, and he was literally on television and almost died

2025
01:57:36,359 --> 01:57:38,720
literally like within hours, like had he not gone to

2026
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,880
the hospital, Like it's crazy to think about, and all

2027
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:47,199
the injuries his body has been through, and he absolutely

2028
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:49,960
deserves to be on whatever schedule he wants, like if

2029
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:53,600
he wants to do video games, maybe, like I presume

2030
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,840
maybe after the stage we might get more elite stuff,

2031
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,399
which I've actually kind of enjoyed the Elite Separate rating

2032
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,279
this entire year. I think that's been really refreshing. But

2033
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,479
I imagine if you know, a certain pair of tag team

2034
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,159
rocks up, maybe Omega would be a little bit fancy

2035
01:58:10,199 --> 01:58:11,840
himself maybe to get a little bit more in the

2036
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,359
tag team division after that and you know, kind of

2037
01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:17,960
like Cope and Cage just might be kind of like

2038
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,199
the last proper championship Omega that you see in a

2039
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:25,760
live setting, Viva in person or pay per viewing. I'm

2040
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,359
really excited to see it, but yeah, I think they'll

2041
01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:30,760
probably kind of do what you know, Wede hates the most,

2042
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,479
kind of like the Grays thing, but I would hope

2043
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:36,720
they kind of just have this kind of pissing contest, honestly,

2044
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:40,000
Greg and like kind of just you know, I know,

2045
01:58:41,439 --> 01:58:43,359
Osprey said a couple of weeks ago, this is Goku

2046
01:58:43,399 --> 01:58:46,840
and vegeta kind of thing, and you know, we'll see

2047
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,439
what kind of you know, I imagine they'll have a

2048
01:58:50,479 --> 01:58:54,079
brawl or two in between, which is fine. I the

2049
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:58,880
less righter stuff the better, and ultimately the goal I hope.

2050
01:59:00,279 --> 01:59:03,600
You know, I would really be disappointed if Keny Omega

2051
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:07,800
is addressed like Omega red and Osbrey's not Wolverine. I'll

2052
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:11,039
be really disappointed if that's not the gear on all.

2053
01:59:11,079 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 2: In well, that's a good place to send it here tonight, Brian.

2054
01:59:16,039 --> 01:59:18,439
Any final thoughts about the show, anything you want to

2055
01:59:18,479 --> 01:59:20,159
sum up, anything we didn't mention that you think is

2056
01:59:20,199 --> 01:59:24,479
worth mentioning before we hit the showers as it were tonight.

2057
01:59:25,039 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 3: No, again, overall thumbs in the middle. I think ultimately

2058
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:34,520
everybody has kind of like the same prognostication of the show,

2059
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:39,399
like obviously length, like card placement for sure. I just

2060
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:46,399
ultimately I'm glad that we're not being grumpy about things,

2061
01:59:46,439 --> 01:59:49,439
and you know, there should be kind of like an evaluation.

2062
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:53,960
I'm just like hard placement format and just really like

2063
01:59:54,319 --> 01:59:57,279
understanding the apartment, like the importance of being on a

2064
01:59:57,319 --> 02:00:00,359
pay per view. Like now, don't get me wrong, we

2065
02:00:00,399 --> 02:00:04,359
don't I don't want to five to six car format

2066
02:00:04,439 --> 02:00:07,039
like a POE because then each match to go thirty

2067
02:00:07,039 --> 02:00:10,399
five minutes and that's not great for anybody. But areas

2068
02:00:10,399 --> 02:00:13,199
of opportunity for Tony to potentially maybe kind of trim

2069
02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:18,159
back on indulging so much on you know, certain matches

2070
02:00:18,199 --> 02:00:22,079
and just hey, you know, leave some for TV so

2071
02:00:22,119 --> 02:00:23,640
that way we can go back and review it and

2072
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:24,319
have a good time.

2073
02:00:25,239 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that and anything you'd like to

2074
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:31,600
plug In terms of your work at the Torch.

2075
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:37,119
Speaker 3: Oh, no, I really appreciate everybody you know reading my stuff.

2076
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:40,119
We've been so kind of highlighting the hits and miss

2077
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,199
Collision each week, which, like I know, not everybody has

2078
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:47,479
time for Collision. Completely understand if you want to take

2079
02:00:47,479 --> 02:00:50,760
a deep dive on my analytical thoughts. You know, Josh

2080
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:55,960
White obviously does a great job weekly recapping Collision. He's

2081
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:58,680
a trooper for doing that, doing the full TV report,

2082
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:03,119
And yeah, you know, next you know, next month, I'll

2083
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:07,119
make my way on you know, to London for the show,

2084
02:01:07,159 --> 02:01:10,600
and that'll be great. I'll definitely have a live in

2085
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:14,039
person report up for the show for anybody who's interested

2086
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:17,520
on that. I don't know if I'll be available for

2087
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:22,600
run ins potentially because there's the press scrum afterwards, but yeah,

2088
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:25,760
I'll try to provide any additional content i can for

2089
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,600
the site and looking forward to it well.

2090
02:01:28,399 --> 02:01:31,319
Speaker 2: I enjoy the trip, as some have shared in the

2091
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:35,439
chat already, and if anyone wants to check out my work,

2092
02:01:35,479 --> 02:01:37,880
I'll be kind of ramping things back up this week.

2093
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:40,159
I've got a new column in the Torch newsletter where

2094
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:43,399
I look at the autobiography of Barry Darso do a

2095
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:47,840
review of that, which was a real fun read. Obviously,

2096
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:52,880
this show Summer Slam next weekend, maybe one night i'll

2097
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,199
co host. I haven't quite figured that out yet, but

2098
02:01:55,199 --> 02:01:57,520
I will be on the flagship with Wade Keller this week,

2099
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,880
so probably a little bit look back at at this

2100
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:03,600
pay per view look ahead to SummerSlam. I'll also be

2101
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:07,039
covering two G one Climax shows for the site pw

2102
02:02:07,159 --> 02:02:10,079
torch dot com this week, so just a lot going

2103
02:02:10,119 --> 02:02:13,800
on this week for myself and if you're interested, make

2104
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:15,960
sure to check those out and of course check out

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everything PW Torch and go vip pw torch dot com

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