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Everything's there. I want to welcome everyone back to the

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Peking Yona show. Joel webbins with me. How are you doing, Joel,

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I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me petee.

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Speaker 1: Well at the same like deja vu. But tell everybody

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a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, yeah. So my name is Joel Webbin.

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I am happily married and coming up on ten years

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this July. We have six children, one in glory. Miscarriage

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was our very first and then after that, by God's grace,

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we've had five healthy kids, only one boy, four girls

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that I adore. One boy, a lot of pressure on

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him keep the family name alive. And we live in

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Central Texas. We're about forty five minutes an hour north

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of Boston, close enough to have some economic opportunity, far

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enough away to have the police hopefully not defunded. Williamson County, Georgetown,

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Texas fairly moderates slightly, you know, maybe leaning conservative, and

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local politics. It's better than most places in the country.

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I pastor a local church there, Covenant Bible Church. People

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can check it out Covenant Bible dot org. Church was

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not available with the domain name, so Covenant Bible dot org.

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If you're in Central Texas. We'd love to have you

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I join us on the Lord's Day. I am a

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Protestant that gets harder to say every single day. I

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feel just a little gayer every time I have to

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tell people I'm a Protestant that said, I am not fluctuating,

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I'm not having second thoughts in terms of my theological convictions.

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believe the theological tenets just as much as I ever did.

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other Protestants are effeminate and limp wristed and weak. And

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even if they're maybe not you know, libs, they are libs.

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to their cultural and political and theological positions, I'm still

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just in terms of the order of service. When you

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we're Protestant, but we're liturgical. We have a prayer of

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Apostles Creed every single week, you know, in a confession,

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the Turgic Confession of Sin, and assurance of pardon. And

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there's moments where you stand and moments where you sit.

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smoke machines and Pastor Susan you know, getting up and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that area. I have friends in Round Rock.

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worst part about Texas well, one O our governor. I mean,

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obviously he's he's you know, better than a ton of governors,

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but he's you know, he just refuses Pete to to

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really stand up as as a leader. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: All you went for. He went for the easy joke.

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that he physically can't stand up, but morally he could

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and a lot of times, honestly, like the best of

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Greg Abbott, is just him whenever he you know, follows

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suit with someone like Ron de Santis, but he rarely leads.

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many other liberal governors. So that that's that's not great,

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but it's also not terrible. But then the worst things

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a ton of immigration. There's a lot of you know,

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got a lot of Hispanics in my church who are

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assaulted the earth, precious brothers and sisters and cries who

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have fully assimilated and have been assimilated for generations. Some

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of them, on principle won't even teach their kids Spanish,

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was my dad. That's why I can't.

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Speaker 2: But we're American, you know, And so anyway, so that group,

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which is a large group in Texas, is not what

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I'm talking about. They're great, but as you know, there's

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ago in border states like Texas and that's a problem.

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mentioned liberals, So I mean, I guess this is a

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debate among some. Do you think that the founding of

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this country was distinctly liberal, classical liberal, or if you

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don't think the founding was, do you think that the

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pathway was paved so that it would go in that direction? Yes,

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the latter.

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Speaker 2: So I think that we were a distinctly Christian country,

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and especially because because America doesn't just start in seventeen

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seventy six. So I'm you know, I'm old school. I'm

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going to look back and look at you know, the

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sixteen hundreds, you know, in early seventeen hundreds, and think

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of the thirteen colonies. Every single one of them had

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a state church. They were all Protestant except for one,

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I think it was Rhode Island. It was Catholic, distinctly Christian.

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few DEAs, you know, You've got Thomas Jefferson, but for

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the most part, you know from George Washington, who, by

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today's standards, in all the best ways, not the worst ways,

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would be evangelical. In my assessment, you've got you know

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different guys. So I think it was Christian. But I

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do think this is what's so important for people to understand,

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especially Christians. We God is immutable, right, unchanging. Behold, I

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am the Lord that changes, not so that you, the

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sons of Jacob, will not be consumed the same yesterday,

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today and forever. So because truth, God's truth ascendant, transcendent,

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Truth is immutable, because God himself is immutable, there are

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timeless principles, and then corresponding by way of consequence off

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of what is timelessly true, there are things that are

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timelessly false. So there are timeless enemies of the Church

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and enemies of God and enemies of the truth. But

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there are also, and this is what I wish people

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could get, there are also timely enemies. And it's so

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important for us to realize that nobody is ever doing anything,

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whether you're starting a country or writing the declaration of

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independence or whatever it is, nobody ever does anything in

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the vacuum. We're all we're all working out of God's providence,

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time and place. So when you look at the founders,

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you know it's when you look at the Founders, you

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have to think, who's the Leviathan of their day? What

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it that they were fleeing from. You know, even before

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the Founders getting back, like I said, thirteen colonies, and

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you know, some of the Puritans and the Pilgrims and

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the Covenanters and their enemy of their day, you know,

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they're looking at Rome, right, They're they're looking at that

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Bishop of Rome who exalted himself above God. And obviously

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the best moment of the Catholic Church, and yeah there

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were problems here. And then even you know Protestant like

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making pastors read from the sports almanac, you know, here's

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the score from the latest you know sports ball game,

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you know, on the Lord's Day in their church service,

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just to take them off, just knowing that it would

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timeless truth, but there's also timely battles, timely fights. Right

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the sons of visit card. They knew the times and

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what Israel ought to do. So when I at the

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founding of America, they're dealing with religious tyranny and so

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were they liberals? I don't think so. But what they

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were baking in in terms of provisions and the founding

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documents and the way that they were setting up the

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country is they were looking to hedge their bets against

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the predominant enemy of their day, which was not liberalism.

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religious totalitarianism, and so they're trying to protect against that.

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to put this into the Constitution, the first Amendment, because

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who worship sand demons would start their own colonies epic

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City in the state of Texas. That's not what they

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were thinking. That they couldn't even conceive of the problems

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that we're dealing with now. They were dealing with their

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tinly enemies. And I think that part of what it's true,

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we need to go back to seventeen seventy six. We

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need to go back and be true to the founders.

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this is the most pressing threat of our moment, and

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we're going to fight against it. You want to be

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true to the Founders, then do that same thing in

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your day and be able to say, Okay, yeah, the

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Roman Catholic Church, despite my theological disagreements, that is not

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the reigning le Vithan of the day. The pope is

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not the biggest problem in the world, in the country

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that I live in today. I really think, like John

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Calvin and Martin Luther, if they were to resurrect and

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materialize in my living room, you know, and God brought

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them back from the dead to help us, you know,

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fight off the hoards of hell, and it's my job

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to debrief them and catch them up. For the last

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five years, what's going on? And I'm sitting there, I'm like,

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this is the Reformation continues Simper Refermanda, you know, and

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we we fought for the Reformation, and yes that you

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know we we were no friends of the pope. But

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it sounds like what's going on in your day, that's

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not the biggest problem. So all that to answer your question, No,

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I don't think they were liberals. I do think that

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they systematically carved out what eventually became the seed bed,

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opened the door, cracked the door for liberalism that seems undeniable.

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I love the Founders, you know, it's one of the

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rare founder l's, but I have to acknowledge it. I

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think it was an L. But I'm sympathetic because I

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see what they would do. I think it's our fault

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for enshrining everything that the Founders did, as though this

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is for all times in all places, right, that this

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is a universal that it's timeless. No, they were doing

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something that was they wanted to have longevity, yes, but

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they also they were doing something that was time ly,

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not timeless, but time lee. They were assessing the threats

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of their day, the enemies of their day, and hedging

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against them. Those are not the biggest threats and enemies

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of our day. And if you want to be true

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to the Founders, then I think you need to embrace

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not the letter of the law at the expense of

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the spirit of the law, but embrace the actual spirit

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of the law itself. And you see this even with

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George Washington, you know that seized private property and pointed

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canon you know, at this home and say you're getting

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the way and I'm sorry. Like he was, he was

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going to take do whatever it took to win, whatever

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it took to win. He was not going to allow

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scrupulous hall monitor letter of the law keeping stop him

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from spear of a law keeping to actually beat back

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the hordes of hell in his day. That to me

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is quintessential America. That's what it is to keep in

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step with the Founders. That's what we got to do today.

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And that doesn't mean taking it all and throwing it away.

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I still love the Constitution. Some of the latter amendments

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maybe not a good idea, but I still love the Constitution.

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I love our founding. I love George Washington. I just

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want to have the freedom, and I don't want limitless freedom,

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but the reasonable freedom with some safeguards to actually be

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like George Washington and make the decisions for our country

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that he made in his time. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. Let me ask you this. So when

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a country like this country got off got off the ground,

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was prosperous right away. It's kind of hard not to

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be prosperous with the resources we had here, not only

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not only natural but human.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there comes a time when you

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become successful and you forget that spiritual warfare is a thing?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I mean I think it was Cotton Mather

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or Increase Mather, his father, both brutal Americans, great American

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but who said that that it was a faithfulness gave

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birth to prosperity, blessing the daughter of the mother. Faithfulness

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was blessing prosperity. And then and then the daughter devoured

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the mother, and so yeah, absolutely, you know, or you

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could say it the other way. You know, the old adage.

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You know, hard times, you know make good men, good men,

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make good times. Good times make soft men, or you know,

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bad men and bad men, you know, create bad times.

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So absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you when when you history, you come to a point,

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especially if you study the last five hundred years, where

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you see that Christians abandoned, abandon their values, especially when

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it comes when it came to finance and economics. They

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were against they were against usury, and as sinful men

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will do, they say, well, we may not be able

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to practice usury, but there are these there's this group

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of here that we can import. And yeah, I mean

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it just seems to me that what we haven't If

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you call yourself a Christian and you still want to say, well,

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this is a Christian country, importing having populations of people

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here who are literally anti christ, right, it's probably not

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the best idea.

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Speaker 2: No, So that's something I've thought a lot about, And

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so I'll start with this disclaimer because I think it's

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fair and true in some sense, in a measured sense,

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but in some sense I am sympathetic to that particular

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group of people, the tiny hat people, because they you know,

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it's like a lot of nations, including America, did not

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want them, you know, working on the farm or you know,

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setting up a blacksmith you know shop or something like

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that and being you know, integrated fully into their society.

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They were ostracized and kind of held at arm's length,

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and so they got into certain things that our own

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people wouldn't do, like exacting usury and those and so,

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but they were allowed to do it themselves. And so

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they kind of stood on the fringes on the outside

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looking in and set up banks, you know, and and

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doing things that we wouldn't allow our own people to do,

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you know, handing out loans with this much interest. And

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so we in some ways like we bear some responsibility

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for carving out the provision that kind of they kind

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of created that problem. On the other hand, it is

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a problem. It's a big problem. And if it was

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a problem in their day, it's exponentially problematic in our day.

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And yeah, so I like, for me, I'm a Christian nationalist.

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I know some people don't like the label, and that's

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totally fine. You don't have to adopt the label. I

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understand that there are certain problems with it. But I

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am a nationalist and I am a Christian. What kind

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of nationalism do you want. I don't want Islamic nationalism.

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I don't want Jewish nationalism. I don't want atheistic secular nationalism.

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I want Christian nationalism. And so, as a Christian and

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holding to you know, Christian values, I don't want to

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mistreat any group of people. I don't want to be

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in jos, I don't want to be inhumane any of that.

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But I do want to deal with what I believe,

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according to the Scripture is sin and also crime. Right,

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So two separate categories vin diagram. There is overlap, but

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not complete overlap. Not all sins or crimes, and not

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all crimes our sins. So like coveting, right, that's the

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tenth Commandment. It's a sin, right, thou shalt not covet.

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But I don't want the coveting police. I don't want

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to treat coveting as a crime. So it's like, well,

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then when does the state punish coveting? Well, that's easy.

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The state actually punishing punishes coveting as a crime. When

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coveting is unchecked in the realm of the heart, to

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the point that it flows over into theft. Thou shalt

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not steal or murder, Thou shalt not kill, right, And

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that's that's when coveting is no longer merely a sin

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internally before God, but becomes a crime against society and

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merits a civil punishment. And so that said, yeah, I

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want to ban usury. And I understand that you do

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some of these things overnight and the economy tanks and

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spirals into a bolivion. But when I say usury, I

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would not day one say nobody can charge any interest.

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That's that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying

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is I would start right, you start at the at

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the end, not in the middle. And so what I

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would start with is loan sharks and and you know,

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establishments that you know where you can get your paycheck

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two weeks early, within advance, you know, on twenty five

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percent interest that exploits and completely decimates the poorest of

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the poor. Or credit card interests you know, that's that's

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again sixteen percent, twenty percent, thirty percent interest rates, or

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universities you know that are charging you know, thirty five

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forty fifty thousand dollars an annual tuition and and say

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and using as their justification that will the government will

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give you this much loans and so we're going to

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charge this price, and but then offering degrees that are

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worthless and people can never pay it back. It's so

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I'm not you know, I would not a day one

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say you know what, no, no loans for houses, and no,

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that's insane. I think the interest rates are high, but

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if if somebody, you know, if we can get back

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lower and I don't know if we can, but if

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we can get back lower, and you got a three

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four percent interest rate on a home that's reasonably reasonably priced,

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so that you can have a mortgage and own a

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home today without having you know, four hundred thousand dollars

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saved up in cash. I don't think that that's our

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biggest problem, but I do think that there are many

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other When you are financing a burrito, which you can

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do now, that's a problem. So so anyway, so not

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going after a particular people, but going after the sins.

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So ban pornography, ban, abortion, ban usury, no dual citizenship

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for anyone holding public office, ideally even for citizens, but

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especially for our civil officers. So if you got if

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you just did those things, no dual citizenship for any

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public office, no pornography, no exorbitant forms of usury, especially

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the target and exploit the poor, then guess what, You're

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going to have Some Jews in America that are great

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Steven Miller will still be here, God bless them, and

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you're gonna have a bunch of juice disproportionately disproportionately. That's true.

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You can't deny it. I'm I'm an expert noticer as

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many others are. But they're gonna self humanly self deport

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And it wouldn't have been because we targeted them as

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a people, but we targeted sins that should be also

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labeled as crimes. It's completely fair, it's completely just. It

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honors God, and if one particular group is disproportionately affected

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and chooses to humanly deport themselves, praise God, no harm,

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no foul. That's just let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem with that is it all

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sounds logical when you have a historical context, when you

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when you haven't been brainwashed by the last eighty years,

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you know what's commonly called the post or consensus, and

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you had Shelley v. Kramer. You have Brown versus Board

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of Education, and then you finished off with the Civil

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Rights Act, and freedom of association just doesn't exist anymore.

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And people practice freedom of association in their personal lives

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all the time. Even the worst libtard, you know, progressive scumbag,

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they practice. They want to practice it with us, They

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don't want to be anywhere near us.

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Speaker 2: They practice it. Yeah. The thing they decry and demonize

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they practice with their own children. You look at all

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these libs, they lived in gated communities is white as

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the driven snow, and their kids go to little cluster

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pod you know, schools with private you know, only eight

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in a group with private tutors that they paid two

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hundred thousand dollars to and all that the eight students

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are white and mean while they're yelling races. They do it.

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You're right, You're right, I agree, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they live. You know, I think it was I

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think as Zman says that they liberals live like they

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accuse white supremacists of living in the most lily white communities,

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working in industries that are predominantly white. And yeah, yeah,

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but how do we We can't do this, We can't have.

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You can't have a country, you can't have a polity

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unless you can exclude certain people from it. And I mean,

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just how do we get past that now? It just

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it seems that it's an impossibility. I mean, you have

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people who are out there to crying DEI things like that.

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Who once you mentioned well, I mean, the Civil Rights

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Act is the last boss of this whole thing. I

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mean that has to be getting rid of. And then

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they immediately brink back like the they shrink back, like

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the Civil Rights Act actually did did something other than

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create like the Community Relations Service, which whenever whenever violent

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blacks murder whites, they go in there and shut them

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up and make them say certain things in front of

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the press. They threaten them. Or if a white you know,

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if well George Zimmerman, if we want to call him white,

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he's non black. Let's put it that way, when he

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murders a black kid, they go up there and they

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turn the flame up and they inflame everything. And that's

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part of the Civil Rights Act. And it's like, oh, well,

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we just need to defund that. Well, yeah, the next

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time a libtar you know, shit, Libya's in there, they're

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gonna they're just gonna refund it. So we're we're basically

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at the point now that unless you literally start destroying things,

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the next time they get in power, they're just going

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to be seeking to literally destroy us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's a daunting task. It's it's hard. Praise

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God for saving me and giving me faith in Jesus.

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Otherwise I would just be oding on black pills every

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day twenty four hours. It's hard, it's hard not to despair.

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And you're right, it's because it's way easier to say

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no upfront than to say yes and then take something

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away later on. But freedom of association, you're absolutely right

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that that's a big deal that should have never been

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treated as legislation and law and as a crime. Right now,

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just to put in perspective for the listener, because some,

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you know, some would be like what you know, like

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that's that's crazy, that's racist. You look, you can't even

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00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:43,279
have an all male gym. We need all male spaces,

470
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:49,240
and we need you know, conservative you know, allegedly I'm

471
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,240
doing quotation marks, you know, allegedly conservative women to stop

472
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,720
destroying male spaces. I mean, it's such a hypocrisy and

473
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,720
irony to say I want to protect the women's bathroom.

474
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,200
But I destroyed this male space and bragging about it,

475
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,519
you know, and because I shattered you know, the glass ceiling,

476
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,240
you know, for women, that's that's such such an irony.

477
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000
And so yeah, we should be able to I should

478
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,440
be able to go and work out without having to have,

479
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,279
you know, a thousand dollars to purchase a home gym,

480
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,200
and and also be able to go and work out

481
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,839
without being assaulted by temptation with a bunch of women

482
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,680
wearing you know, uh, painted on leggings and a sports brass.

483
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,440
That that is absolutely insane. So when we talk about

484
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,680
freedom of association, the Civil Rights Act and its effects,

485
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,839
it's absolutely insane that people as private citizens and private

486
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,839
businesses we're not talking about the government, that they would

487
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,839
not be able to say. You know this, the Boy

488
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Scouts is for boys. This is an all all male gym. Egalitarian.

489
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,920
So when we talk about liberalism, I'll say this and

490
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,640
I'll throw it back to youse. See what you think.

491
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:03,519
I think, you know, I think the final boss is

492
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,240
liberalism and h and liberalism is like the car and

493
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:11,319
the engine is egalitarianism. If you think what's the heart

494
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,680
of liberalism, especially it's the latter expressions twentieth century liberalism.

495
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,960
The heart is egalitarianism. And what people need to recognize

496
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,079
with you know, egalitarianism is you know, for me, my,

497
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,160
you know pastoral, you know church context, you know and

498
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,119
and you know, most of the churches I associate with

499
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,279
our theological conservatives. So when they hear egalitarianism, it's truncated

500
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,480
that all they hear is a narrow egalitarianism. I'm not

501
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,119
egalitarian because we don't have female pastors, and I'm like

502
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:48,519
bro egalitarianism. That's good, Praise God. But but egalitarianism is

503
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:54,920
way more than that. Egalitarianism asserted that that Johnny and

504
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,680
Jackie are exactly the same, and we need to rail

505
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,119
against that. That's false. But egalitarianism goes further. It doesn't

506
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720
just say Johnny and Jackie are the same. It also

507
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,200
says Johnny and Jimmy are the same. Here's the deal.

508
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:12,519
I have four daughters and one son. We believe in

509
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:19,200
classical Christian education. That said, I I'll get flack for this,

510
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:24,000
but my daughters don't need to read plutar. They don't.

511
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,160
Are my daughters going to learn how to read? Of course?

512
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,559
Are they going to be good with science, and of course,

513
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,759
because they're going to be wives one day, and I

514
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:37,039
want them, like Eve was to Adam, to be a suitable,

515
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,079
competent help meet for their husbands. That are that are

516
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,240
like the Proverbs thirty one women who are wise and insightful.

517
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,599
I don't want my daughters to be retarded, and so

518
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
we are teaching them that said, my daughters are not

519
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,319
going to be statesmen. My daughters are not going to

520
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,880
be in congress. I think that that's an abomination. That's

521
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,279
one of the judgments in Isaiah that women and children

522
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,640
would rule over you. So I'm not going to be

523
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240
training my daughters to be statesmen. I'm going to be

524
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,519
training them to be godly wives and godly mothers and

525
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,440
part of motherhood. Because I want my daughters to do

526
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
what we're doing. I want them to homeschool, and so

527
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:20,599
I want my grandchildren not to be dumb as stumps.

528
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240
I want them to not be illiterate. So I want

529
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,319
my daughters to be combatant, intelligent mothers who can teach

530
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,480
my grandchildren to be intelligent. But the education, here's the point.

531
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,960
The education for my son is going to be tailored

532
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:39,759
and different than the education for my daughters. So Johnny

533
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,960
and Jackie are not the same. But also what I

534
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,240
was saying, Johnny and Jimmy are not the same, not

535
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,920
every single boy. So now we're getting, you know, into

536
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,079
the male sex. We've already distinguished male and female. But

537
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,079
even within the male sex, egalitarianism doesn't just say men

538
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,160
and women are the same. It says every individual is

539
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,880
the same. Think about that that we even us Christians,

540
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,359
we'll say, well, i'm conservative. We don't have female pastors,

541
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,759
but we have given into liberalism and the engine that

542
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,839
is egalitarianism, if nothing else, even just in our education,

543
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,640
I'm a conservative Christian. Okay, what does education look like, Well,

544
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,640
classical Christian education for who, well, kindergarten all the way

545
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,519
through twelfth grade. And also we'd like you to get

546
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,880
this liberal arts degree for four years, so seventeen years.

547
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,440
For seventeen years, we are going to have no customization,

548
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:37,240
no altering, no tweaking, the same, streamlined education for every

549
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:43,359
boy and every girl for the first seventeen years of

550
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,519
their formative education life. Because why, because we think they're

551
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,880
all the same. Because we won't say it, we won't

552
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,440
admit it, but because we're egalitarian, we are liberals. We're liberals,

553
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,000
and so for me, it's like men and women are different.

554
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Johnny and Jackie are not the same. Johnny and Jimmy

555
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160
also aren't the same. Jimmy is going to be a

556
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,440
great plumber, and praise God for great plumbers. And to

557
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,319
be frank, we're going to teach Jimmy to be a

558
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,119
plumber for himself, own his labor, start his own business.

559
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,119
And Jimmy, you know, Johnny is going to be a

560
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,839
statesman and Jimmy's going to make more money and help,

561
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,640
you know, be generous towards Johnny as he's you know,

562
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:25,839
trying to change the country and make a difference. But

563
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Johnny is going to be reading certain books of antiquity

564
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,759
that Jimmy really doesn't have to read. We're not going

565
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,720
to say Jimmy's not allowed to read it. But Johnny

566
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,640
and Jimmy aren't the same. And the last one, and

567
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,880
this is where I'll get a lot of flat Johnny

568
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,839
and Jackie are not the same. Johnny and Jimmy are

569
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,559
not the same. And Johnny and Jamal are not the same.

570
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:47,000
They're not the same. And here I'm speaking of averages.

571
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,240
So vote Bacham. He's a pastor black man, and he

572
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,599
is not my equal, he's not my inferior. He's my superior.

573
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,680
The dude is smarter than me. The dude is more

574
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,039
godly than me. He's great. Thomas Soul, I like Thomas sol,

575
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,480
I like Clarence Thomas. Incredible, incredible guys. But here's my point.

576
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,320
And I don't just want to make it about black people,

577
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,800
because that's not fair. But my point is, individuals are

578
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719
not the same. Men and women are not the same,

579
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:24,000
and nations peoples are not the same. There are distinctions,

580
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,599
and these distinctions often create disparity, especially in a world

581
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,119
where sin has entered the equation, and disparity does not

582
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,280
necessitate injustice. So we have to be able to understand

583
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,639
that fifty nine South Africans Africaners coming to America is

584
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,480
not the same as fifty nine Haitians, much less five

585
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:49,320
hundred thousand Haitians. There are peoples, not just individuals, but

586
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,360
peoples collectively, nations ethnos that are more or less compatible

587
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,199
with America. So we just we have to be able

588
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,639
to understand men and women are not the same, individuals

589
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,760
are not the same, and peoples are not the same.

590
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:10,159
And anything that makes us cringe at that statement is egalitarianism,

591
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,000
which is the engine of liberalism. You the listener, if

592
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,559
you're bothered by what I said, you need to own it.

593
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,320
You're a lip.

594
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there, I've coming out of libertarianism.

595
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,679
You forget that the first couple of letters in there

596
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,840
and basically what the root of that word is. And

597
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,440
when you look back upon it, you're like, huh, So

598
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,480
everybody can do whatever they want as long as they're

599
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:45,960
not hurting anyone else, which is pretty much impossible. Yeah.

600
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:50,119
I remember somebody telling me what's wrong with prostitution. I'm like, well,

601
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,000
what do you think your town is going to be

602
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,920
like if prostitution is legal and they could be on

603
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:59,960
every street corner. And take that even a step further,

604
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,599
what is a nation like when a percentage of their

605
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
young women, a high percentage of their young women between

606
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,119
eighteen and thirty, are on only fans. They're doing it

607
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:18,840
privately in their house, They're not I don't rarely do

608
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,440
they bring it out into public, but it is public.

609
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,159
They make it public. Not only that, it's the spiritual

610
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:30,079
degradation of it. People have this because every because materialism

611
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,360
rules the day and everyone's you know, materialism is the

612
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,760
zeitgeist as far as how people look at the world.

613
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,960
They don't understand that things that are happening behind closed doors,

614
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,800
things that are happening in you know, smoke filled rooms,

615
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,000
that these are all things that affect the people that

616
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,559
they You may not be able to be you may

617
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,079
not be able to articulate exactly what's going on right now,

618
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,159
but everyone has been like, oh, ten years later down

619
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,840
the road, you're like, oh, wait a minute, what happened?

620
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,239
How do we get here? Well, you you allowed this

621
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,760
to happen, even privately, and you don't understand that that

622
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,920
actually has an effect on the way on how the

623
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:26,079
world and how community and how polities function and what

624
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,800
they're you know, where they stand going forward, if they

625
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,199
have a any chance of surviving, and if it's just

626
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,239
about survival, then you just fix the money and every

627
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,760
you know, if you fix the money and everything's okay,

628
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,519
well no, that's no. There there's so much more to it,

629
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,639
and people just don't want to accept that. I know

630
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,119
Catholics who think like that. I don't Protestants who think

631
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,000
like that. I know Evangelicals who think like that. It's

632
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,159
they just don't get it.

633
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,079
Speaker 2: Yep. I agree. So it's show you're interviewing me, But

634
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,440
would would you mind if I ask you a question?

635
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this happens all the time. I'm fine with.

636
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,119
Speaker 2: That, yeah, because I just I haven't listened to a

637
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,400
lot of you, but we have mutuals, and all the

638
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,800
mutuals speak really highly of you. Do you know Ron

639
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,119
Dodson didn't he go on your show while back?

640
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Ron Doddson has been on my show a few times.

641
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,519
We recently got to we recently got to spend some

642
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,360
face to face time in Tennessee together.

643
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think highly Ron. He's a friend.

644
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,719
So anyway, so I'm not super familiar with you, but

645
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,320
I'm familiar with those who are familiar with you, and

646
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,800
so I and they all have good things to say.

647
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,280
So I'm by by you know, default, you know, I

648
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,159
have respect for you, and so I'm just curious what

649
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:51,199
you would say. So kind of two part question. One

650
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,039
is what do you prefer? And the second part is

651
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,719
what do you predict? So preference and then prediction, because

652
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,679
what's unsustainable will not continue. It's just kind of a

653
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,320
law of nature. What's unsustainable will not in definitely continue.

654
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:11,159
So these United States would you prefer. And then also,

655
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,599
what do you predict between these two options. A Cromwellian

656
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,840
kind of figure right in the American context is probably

657
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,360
not going to be a king. It might function, right

658
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,519
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,

659
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,079
but we probably won't call it a king because we're Americans,

660
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,440
gosh darn it, you know. But so let's say, like

661
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,119
a Cromwellian figure, whether it's you know, the Baron Baron Trump,

662
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,920
you know, whatever it is, or Balkanization and the fact

663
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,840
that our country is just too big and not even

664
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,960
just numerically, although yeah, like fifty million people need to

665
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,440
go back, and I think that's a moderate number. But

666
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:53,079
aside from numerically just you know, population, we're just geographically

667
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,119
we're just we're a massive country. And you know, thinking

668
00:39:56,159 --> 00:40:00,239
of you know, you know, thinking of the you okay,

669
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,719
and United I'm sorry, the EU, and it's just you know,

670
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,679
having having countries instead of states. So Balkanization and and

671
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,280
you know, California can do his thing or whatever, and uh,

672
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:18,840
and we're not a part of it, or you know,

673
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,360
we hold together. And it's kind of a Cromwellian figure

674
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,679
that you know, the Libs are losing their mind and

675
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,360
like this, this is terrible, this is unconstitutional. But he

676
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,400
pulls us out of the muck and the mire and

677
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,360
uh and just kind of takes like a Napoleon type figure,

678
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,880
you know, or Cromwellian figure. Which one do you prefer

679
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:39,920
and which one do you predict?

680
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,079
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think one can work without the other,

681
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,559
so let me explain that. Yeah, I don't see this

682
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:54,920
as being black and white. I think that the original intention,

683
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,199
the Articles of Confederation and how we were set set

684
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,079
up as confederated states, is really the way to go forward.

685
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:07,719
I don't believe that one person, or one even one

686
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,199
unit of even the smartest people in the world, can

687
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,119
govern three hundred million people. It's just too much. It's

688
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:20,719
an impossibility. I agree, yes, too much. You can't organize

689
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,760
that many people, you know. It's like it's why elite

690
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,079
theory is so it's important even if people don't don't

691
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,079
agree with it. Elite theory is very important to understand

692
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:34,599
that like two hundred people, two hundred people organizing can

693
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,880
control three hundred million people better than three hundred million

694
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,719
people can control two hundred million people two hundred people

695
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,360
because three hundred million people can't organize exactly. So can

696
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,760
I get real quick for the listener?

697
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,199
Speaker 2: I can I tell you how it's super short, how

698
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,159
I persuade people read poem on elite theory. I always

699
00:41:54,159 --> 00:42:00,159
tell people. In nineteen fifty nine, a bunch of housewives

700
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,280
in America who are watching Leave It to Beaver in

701
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,360
black and white. They did not get together and say

702
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
we love the show. We really do, but you know

703
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,039
what would really bring it over the top, to take

704
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:17,159
it from good to great? Leave It to Beaver everything

705
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,119
as it is, but it just needs a little bit

706
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,880
of butt sex. And then Hollywood says, well, you know

707
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,239
that's not really our value, that's not our principle. But

708
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,800
you know, we're capitalists at the end of the day,

709
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,159
you know, and you've got to give the customers all

710
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:34,800
always right, and we got to give them what they want.

711
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,000
That's not how when we think how did America get

712
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,960
off the rails, it's not that the American people demanded

713
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,679
from its leaders, whether those be political or cultural or

714
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,960
media or whatever academic, that the American people rose up

715
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:57,679
and said we want degeneracy. No, it's the reverse. It's Hollywood.

716
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,679
They kept pushing the line pushing the envelope to see

717
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,119
how much degeneracy they could get away with, And that,

718
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:09,880
in a nutshell, is the way I describe elite theory.

719
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,679
Speaker 1: What do you think, No, that makes sense. Yeah, the

720
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:21,960
they needed to get around the Hayes code and the

721
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,960
only way to do that was to chip away at it.

722
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,400
There what you couldn't have a If you have a

723
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,079
full frontal attack on something, people are just gonna notice

724
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,239
and they're gonna well, I mean, I don't know anymore.

725
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,639
People just don't. People are so checked out nowadays, the

726
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,440
full frontal attack, I don't know what it does.

727
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: But they would back back in the day shot they would.

728
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, back then. Yeah, so yeah, I mean I really

729
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,679
the only way I see going forward is you know,

730
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,760
you can't really have a community, and you can't even

731
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,840
really think about having a community unless the community, the

732
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,719
strength the community starts in the home. So people who

733
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,880
are like, man, we really need to change the world.

734
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,800
We need to change this country, we need to change

735
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,599
the state, We need to change. Well, if your house

736
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,880
isn't an order, what are you doing? You know, you

737
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,639
get your house in order first, and then it can go,

738
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,760
It can go further out and you can push it outwards.

739
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,320
But if three hundred million people, if one person or

740
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,679
one body can't govern three hundred million people, you're going

741
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,559
to need to be able to break that down into

742
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:32,960
smaller groups. And that is base. That's the goal to me,

743
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:36,320
is you're still going to have you know, my friend

744
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,159
Thomas says that he predicts that the United States can

745
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,320
be around for another one hundred, one hundred and fifty years.

746
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,760
It's just going to slowly start changing and it's go

747
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,000
what he predicts and what I predict is it's going

748
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,559
to look more local, and it's going to look more state,

749
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:57,480
you know, more state power, more local Powerganization. Yeah, Balkanization,

750
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,039
but not Balkanization. It doesn't have to be Balkanization where

751
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,280
you're like, screw you. You know, we're going to take

752
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,159
on you know, the state of Alabama will be willing

753
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:09,880
to take on China by itself if it comes to that.

754
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,760
But there has to be a confederation, you know. That's

755
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,760
why I've always said this. I'm you may hear me

756
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,800
talk about the Constitution every once in a while, but yeah,

757
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,679
I honestly believe the Constitution was a coup to get

758
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:31,480
us away from for huge centralization of the of the states,

759
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,440
and I honestly think the Articles of Confederation where it

760
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,679
was at when people refer to their Virginia as their country,

761
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,920
in Massachusetts as their country instead of the you know,

762
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,840
the United States. You know, it was still people were

763
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,239
still using these United States. But I don't think that

764
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,079
you have a future if I mean the fact that

765
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,000
we've basically been taught that you can elect one person

766
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,960
and that person can change things for and make three

767
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,559
hundred million people happy. Well, that's retarded. And then when

768
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,519
I say that, people are like, well that's a straw man.

769
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
I'm it's not saying it's it's for a certain group. Okay,

770
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,199
So then you are by saying that, you are saying

771
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,440
we're always going to be a civil war. We're always

772
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:20,119
going to have a civil war. If you want to

773
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,239
keep this thing the way it is, you're always going

774
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,360
to be at war. And right wingers are not ready

775
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,440
for that. Right Wingers do not understand that you crush

776
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,400
your enemies. Right Wingers look at you know, still probably

777
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,480
think Franco was a fascist or you know, you know

778
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:40,239
the or you know what the tzars were doing. You

779
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,480
know in nineteen oh five, what the Czar did in

780
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,239
nineteen oh five bringing the army home from bringing the

781
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,400
army home from the Russo Japanese War, and pointing it

782
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,880
at toward towards the revolutionaries with three parentheses around them,

783
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,840
that that, oh, well, that you shouldn't do. What do

784
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,239
you do?

785
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: How do you?

786
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: How do you do this? How do you how do

787
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,920
you say? Oh, we must remain the person, you know,

788
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,840
the the lib in California who's voting. You know, if

789
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,039
if they ever got rid of the the electoral college,

790
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,559
basically you would have like New York and California deciding

791
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:22,840
who's president. Texas wouldn't even matter anymore. You're not You

792
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,519
do not have liberty. You're not going to have freedom

793
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,119
by electing one person. I don't care who it is,

794
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,199
because they're not going to crush their enemies. There's there's

795
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,519
this theory that Napoleon and a certain Austrian painter, you know,

796
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,039
when they spoke, they were speaking for their people. They

797
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,960
were channeling the spirit of their people. Well they were

798
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,000
a lot of those two guys were channeling the spirit

799
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:54,639
of a of a monoculture, of a people, not a

800
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,639
frigging not not where you have you have you know,

801
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,159
Somalians in Minnesota, and you know, Mexicans in California and

802
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,199
Cubans in Miami and Puerto Ricans in in New York

803
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,960
and blacks everywhere, all trying to compete and get power.

804
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,239
And then you have it, you know, the group that's

805
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,119
basically been occupying us for one hundred years. Well, how

806
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,880
do you how do how would you elect a leader

807
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,320
who would be able to what spirit of the people

808
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,199
is he going to channel?

809
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: He's going to have if he channel the spirit of

810
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,239
the people, he would have to be hud be like

811
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,280
multiple multiple personality disorder. He'd have to be schizophrenic, he'd

812
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,519
have to be I'm going to be shifting in and

813
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,519
out of channeling, you know, one personality of the country

814
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,960
then another. But yeah, so you're absolutely right. We have

815
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,599
to have a monoculture, and yeah, we we have to

816
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,119
and and monoculture doesn't mean that everybody you know has

817
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,119
the exact same ancestry, although that helps, uh, you know,

818
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,119
especially if a country at least the majority is of

819
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,760
a particular stock, you know, an Anglo Protestant stock. But

820
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,920
I think there is a way in our case, it

821
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,559
would be Anglo Protestant because that's the founding of our nation.

822
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,559
But my point is there's a way of still having

823
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:17,199
different peoples in terms of in terms of ancestry, but

824
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,360
that's still have all aligned with a monoculture. But we

825
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,679
don't have that right now. And I think it was

826
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,159
I think it was Aristotle who talked about that. You know,

827
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,400
republics eventually devolve into raw democracies and then and then

828
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,480
once that happens, it's basically just like a ticking time bomb.

829
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,119
It's only a matter of time until the people recognize

830
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,679
that they can that they can balkanize, you know, and

831
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,559
play identity politics and all politics is really identity politics,

832
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,559
and that they can vote for stuff that one group

833
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,920
can lobby and vote for another group's stuff, and then

834
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:57,199
the politicians that so then you know, republics become democracies.

835
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,360
Democracies become allligarchy. So now you have certain leaders who

836
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,159
what they do is they simply need the votes, and

837
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,400
so they open up the borders. You know, borders become

838
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,400
porous and I don't have the votes, so I'll import

839
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,840
the votes and beef up my numbers, and then you know,

840
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,679
oligar key just devolves into tyranny. And so I think

841
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,800
like to say we're going to constitution even harder. You know,

842
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,039
I viewed as kind of like a circle instead of linear.

843
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,760
I don't think you can go back, not directly. I

844
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,599
think you have to go forward, and eventually he might

845
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,199
be able to get back. And what I mean by

846
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,519
that is our constitutional republic that we used to have.

847
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,320
And you know, a republic if if you can keep

848
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,400
it and the verdict has come back in. We did

849
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,119
not keep it. But the constitutional republic that we used

850
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:46,960
to have did not come out of the ether. It

851
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,880
didn't come out of the vacuum. It It's like, well,

852
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,719
we had this awesome thing. Yeah, but we had a

853
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,280
particular people that were capable right of self governance and

854
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,400
that were religious and moral. And that's which where did

855
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,440
not where did we get the form of government? But

856
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,880
where do we get the people who are capable of

857
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,760
that form of government? And the answer to that is

858
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,440
on the heels of seven hundred years of the Christian monarchy.

859
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,239
So it's like, I'm all for constitutional republics if you

860
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,960
have the people, and we currently do not have the people.

861
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,880
And where do you get those people? Well, you get

862
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,519
those people, to be frank, you get those people from

863
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,320
strict rule for centuries. And I'll say one thing that

864
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,159
a little spicy, but I hope the listener will give

865
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,519
me credit and understand the way that I'm using this term.

866
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:41,800
Every every people, every culture, every every especially religion. I'll

867
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,360
say it that way. Every worldview or religion has a

868
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,760
eugenics program. And what I mean by that is you

869
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,000
look at the Bible and it's like, you marry somebody

870
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:56,079
who's your sister or your cousin, your line is cut

871
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:59,960
off from Israel. You marry somebody too far of related,

872
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,599
a foreigner who worships, you know, idols, your line is

873
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,880
cut off from Israel. You eat too much shellfish, believe

874
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,920
it or not, your line is cut off from Israel.

875
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:14,480
And then you look at other other nations, and like,

876
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:18,920
when you look at religion, it's funny, but religion, every

877
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,159
single religion, including Christianity, has dietary restrictions. So well, I

878
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:26,400
thought it was just about culture, It's just about worship. Well,

879
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:33,280
culture cultists worship. Worship always involves very practical and very physical,

880
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,840
not just spiritual, but physical elements such as dietary restrictions

881
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,320
which have to do with nutritions. So when I think

882
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,920
of peoples and the way that there's shapes. None of

883
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,360
this happens in fifteen minutes, but over time, right when

884
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,559
you think of consecutive generations thirty forty, over the course

885
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:51,920
of five hundred years, or over the course of a millennia,

886
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,000
and you think of people having a religion, and that

887
00:52:56,039 --> 00:53:02,119
religion having dictates and parameters, it include physical elements such

888
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,559
as nutrients, and not just that, but the Christian ethic

889
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:08,440
of sober mindedness. Right, so there's not substance abuse, We're

890
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,199
not smoking piote and then worshiping you know, demon gods.

891
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,199
And then back to nutrition, the difference between eating cow

892
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:24,280
and cooking the cow properly with sanitation versus using the

893
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,880
cow's dung to cook with and making the food with

894
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,800
no sanitation, without washing your hands. And then you bring

895
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,079
not just nutrients, and not just substance abuse versus sober mindedness,

896
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,719
but monogamy for the most part in general, monogamy versus

897
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,000
polygamy and promiscuity. And then you bring into the equation,

898
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,360
you know, Christians invented the sewer system and sanitation.

899
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: You know, and figuring out, you know, what was the

900
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,000
cause of the black plague, you know, and these kinds

901
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,039
of things, and so when it comes to substance abuse,

902
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,199
and when it comes to monogamy versus promiscuity and nutrition,

903
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,199
and then you add education on top of that and

904
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,840
learning to be you know, literate, and all these kinds

905
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,039
of things from a young age.

906
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,079
Speaker 2: That doesn't just shape people. It's it's the cultures, the cultures.

907
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:13,440
The culture that doesn't just shape people's behaviors and their

908
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,719
patterns and their attitudes. Religion has a I believe, has

909
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,679
a biological Again, not in fifteen minutes. I'm not just saying, hey,

910
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,960
teach someone the Christian worldview and all of a sudden,

911
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,199
you know, over the course of a one year training,

912
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,840
their biology will change. I'm not saying that I'm not

913
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,079
retarded by the grace of God. But what I am

914
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:45,519
saying is that religion, worship, whether it's false worship or

915
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,239
true worship, and all the corresponding dictates that come from

916
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,079
Christianity or Islam, or Buddhism or Judaism or atheism, secularism,

917
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,199
religion not quickly, but slowly over time, does not just

918
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,800
shape behaviors and attitudes and culture in the sense that

919
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,079
we use the word culture today, but over time, generations

920
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:12,880
and centuries, it even has I believe a physical effect

921
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,800
on people, because I believe the Gospel changes everything. That

922
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:18,440
let God be true in every man a liar. If

923
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,760
truth is truth, and it's God's truth, then that truth

924
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,039
actually will shape I'm not a gnostic. It's not just

925
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:32,920
you know, the seventeenth dimension. No, I'm a historic Christian. Yes,

926
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,159
the spiritual is of ultimate value, but the physical and

927
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,119
the natural, also the temporal, it also matters. And it

928
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:41,119
matters not just to us, but it matters to God.

929
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,800
And so I believe that God's truth, if it is truth,

930
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:48,000
will have an effect not just spiritually, and not just emotionally,

931
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,079
and not just behaviorally, but even physically and even biologically

932
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,079
over time. And that's the impact of worship. And that's

933
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:59,039
the impact of true worship. And likewise, consequently, the impact

934
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:03,400
of false worship will have devastating effects and even devastating

935
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,480
physical biological effects again over time, over time. So then

936
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:10,519
what do you do when you take a nation like

937
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:14,280
ours in a matter of not centuries but mere decades,

938
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:18,400
and as we've seen recently, in just mere years and

939
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,920
just the last five years, and you import in mass

940
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,800
different peoples from all over the planet, shaped by different

941
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,199
religions over centuries, and not just shaping their culture or

942
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,199
their worldview or the way that they think, or the

943
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,119
behaviors or patterns or attitudes, but even their physical person

944
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,239
has been shaped for a millennia or two. And then

945
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,199
you just throw them all in to the same country,

946
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,880
the same plot of land. And then you do that.

947
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,519
Not only do you do that, but you do that

948
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,639
with a form of government that is quickly devolved into

949
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:05,880
a all democracy with a established oligarchy, where people are

950
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,800
well aware that they can balkanize, group up and vote

951
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,559
for stuff. And then to say that through that democratic system,

952
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,119
with that lay of the land, this mix of people,

953
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,519
that we can vote our way out and write this

954
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:27,119
ship is insane. And so yeah, so I'm not trying

955
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,599
to I'm not trying to just get a rise out

956
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,480
of people just to do it and be an edge lord.

957
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Obviously there are better words than eugenics, and that has

958
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,880
massive negative connotations, but I think that I hope that

959
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,880
you Pete understand my point is that we're not gnostics. Worship,

960
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,559
whether true or false, changes everything, and it doesn't do

961
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,480
it all at once in fifteen minutes, but over time

962
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,280
it doesn't just change hearts and spiritual things and attitudes,

963
00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:00,000
but it actually religion dictates so much. Even dietary restricts

964
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,920
physical things to where not in a moment, but over

965
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,239
time generations, it has an impact on the people, not

966
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,119
just spiritually but also physically. I think that's the way

967
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:13,239
God made the world. And for us not to be

968
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,280
aware of that, to be aware that people are different,

969
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,519
not just the way they think. It's not just well,

970
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,199
I if I just present the facts and make good arguments,

971
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:26,960
then this Haitian, you know, will become magically an American.

972
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:31,840
You know that, No, that's not the world that God made.

973
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,880
And so with that lay of the land and our

974
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:41,360
current government system, you're screwed. Well.

975
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:51,519
Speaker 1: I think the allowing people to culturally integrate is you

976
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,920
see that in the Old Testament and the New Testament.

977
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,400
There is always opening for being grafted in.

978
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:57,559
Speaker 2: Amen.

979
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: But it's yeah.

980
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: And even with that, you think of like Ruth or rehab.

981
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,000
Like Ruth does not come in with five hundred thousand

982
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:11,599
mobiites and they're idols. Ruth comes in and she one

983
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:14,320
of the ways to integrate. When we think of assimilation,

984
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,679
I'm not saying that it's an absolute necessity, but it

985
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,800
certainly helps as a catalyst and speeds up assimilation. Is

986
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,960
inner marriage. Ruth comes in and she marries an Israelite,

987
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,039
and and I don't think it's a coincidence that David,

988
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,440
who's a man after God's own heart, the second King

989
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,559
of Israel and the best king of Israel, David is

990
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:40,760
not a Mobid himself who immigrated in and he's also

991
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,199
not the second generation from Ruth being first generation immigrant.

992
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:48,519
But it's Ruth Mary's bo as they have Obed, Obed

993
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:51,280
begets Jesse, and then jesse begets David. So by the

994
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,079
time you get to David, right, it's Ruth who is

995
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:58,719
a Mobis. But then you have Ruth then Obed, than Jesse,

996
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,320
than David. By the time you get to David, it's

997
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,320
actually in the big scheme of things, not that much time.

998
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,159
We're talking about maybe one hundred years. But by the

999
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:10,760
time you get to David, David is not just in spirit,

1000
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,840
not just in word, but in every sense of the word.

1001
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,880
He is in Israelite, a true Israelite, born and raised

1002
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:26,480
right eating Israelite apple pie. And he is fit. He

1003
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:32,440
is fit in his pedigree, his descendancy, his ancestry and

1004
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,119
his of course spiritually in his heart for the Lord,

1005
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,519
and that's of most importance. But not just in that way,

1006
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,159
but in every way. He's fit to be king and

1007
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,079
to be a good one. And so yes, the world

1008
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:49,679
that God made allows for some reasonable measure of mitigated

1009
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,400
immigration with assimilation over time. But what we're doing now

1010
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,480
is not what I just described from scripture with Ruth

1011
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,280
to Obed to Jesse to David.

1012
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,639
Speaker 1: No, no, you're just importing people who have no no

1013
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,320
skin in the game. And they they're here, they're not

1014
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,920
even here for to become Americans. You're here to send

1015
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,280
money home. That's that's all they're that, That's all they're

1016
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,119
here to do. It's it's the the whole trope of

1017
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:25,480
we become a an open air strip, mall and everything.

1018
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,239
We're just a financial zone and that's it. And you

1019
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,119
hear you hear people who are around Trump talk like that.

1020
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,000
You hear Elon Musk talk like that. But veg Ramaswine,

1021
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:37,679
who's probably going to be the friggin next governor of Ohio.

1022
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:43,960
They I mean, these are not people who you know,

1023
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:47,920
when when my when when my great grandfather came here,

1024
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,880
he was literally escaping Jewish revolutionaries in Poland, who are

1025
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,960
you know, basically rising up? And he's from he was

1026
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,480
from he was from the Hungarian Austro Hungarian Empire. Actually

1027
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:08,079
he was probably more in Austria at the time that

1028
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:12,639
he left on that side. But I mean, he didn't

1029
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:16,159
come here because he was sending money home. He came

1030
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:21,159
here knowing that, like he's basically cutting off everything that

1031
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,679
he has back there.

1032
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: Right, And that's what you did again, Like she says

1033
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,679
your people will be my people, your God will be

1034
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:31,159
my god. It's not just what she's adding, and this

1035
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:35,079
is paramount, it's what she's forsaken. She's for saying. She's

1036
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,119
saying your people will be my people. She's not saying

1037
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,840
in addition to the mobikes. No, She's saying, no, I'm

1038
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:45,000
I'm making a switch. I am cutting off my own people,

1039
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,559
my own family. And I'm sure she still loves him,

1040
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,280
And I'm sure ten years into living in Israel and

1041
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,760
being married to bo As, there was still probably moments

1042
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,559
where she catches the scent of, you know, some particular

1043
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,119
food that reminds her of some of her you know,

1044
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,480
She's like, you know, like home is a powerful thing

1045
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:04,880
and she probably for the rest of her life felt

1046
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,480
that sense of home. But she made the switch and

1047
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:11,800
she severed the line to where she probably had some

1048
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,239
moments of grieving, not grieving like oh, I wish I

1049
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:17,920
could worship idols again, but still just the nostalgia and

1050
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,800
the sense of home that people the smells, the sights.

1051
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,840
But because she actually severed the line and truly assimilated.

1052
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,920
You know who doesn't have that drawl back towards home,

1053
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,360
o Bet And you know who also does, Jesse, and

1054
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,480
then who also David? For them, Israel is all they've none.

1055
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,679
They're truly Israelites. And when you bring up Vi Vek

1056
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,480
and Elon, here's the deal. It's like, what's the common

1057
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:47,559
denominator between those two guys? And I know you agree,

1058
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:51,119
and I'll say it. They're not American. I'm not saying that,

1059
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:54,280
they don't have that, they're not American citizens. I'm not

1060
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,719
saying that, but they are not American. And it's like, well,

1061
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,639
Vivek was born you know, in America, know, like maybe

1062
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:03,719
Elon you know, South Africa, but the Vek was born no.

1063
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:08,119
Biblically speaking, and deuterrotomy talks about this and we don't

1064
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,039
have time for it, but I think that there is

1065
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,679
a strong biblical argument to be made that it is

1066
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:16,079
not until the third generation. So even for those who

1067
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,320
immigrated into Israel, it wasn't until the third generation that

1068
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,599
they were able to have the full rights, especially as

1069
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:24,599
it pertained to worship and entering the temple and making sacrifices,

1070
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,039
these kinds of things. It's not until the third generation

1071
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,679
that they're fully assimilated in and the Vek would not

1072
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,519
qualify with using a biblical metric, God's metric for what

1073
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:39,239
it means to truly assimilate into that country. So we

1074
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,679
can look and that doesn't mean and therefore exploit them

1075
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:45,360
and mistreat them. And I'm not saying that right for

1076
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:49,639
goodness sake. It can't just be either or they either

1077
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,400
are can you know, make them king? Or you hate

1078
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,079
them and you're personal. There's a lot of space in

1079
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:01,840
between those two positions. And so elon treat them with respect.

1080
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:07,119
That treat them with respect, but recognize neither one with

1081
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,159
that a little bit more so second generation, but neither

1082
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:14,519
one is by God's standard, not Joel's standard, not jewels,

1083
01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:18,400
you know, whatever bigoted standards you know, allegedly, but by

1084
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,559
God's standard, neither one. They can both be American citizens,

1085
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:23,559
and even that there's a longer discussion to have about

1086
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:26,000
that and what that means and whether you get full

1087
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:30,119
voting riots and blah blah blah. But American citizenship is

1088
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,840
different than I'm an American. I can get citizenship. It'd

1089
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,559
probably be tough, but I think I could pull it off.

1090
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:38,159
I could get citizenship in Japan, but I will never

1091
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,360
be Japanese. But if I move there as a single

1092
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,679
man and a marry Japanese woman, then my grandchildren will

1093
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:48,320
not only be Japanese citizens, but they will be Japanese.

1094
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,280
But I will always be an American. I could be

1095
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,840
an American who lives in Japan with Japanese citizenship, but

1096
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,519
I am not Japanese, and I never will be, not

1097
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,679
in one generation, not in one lifetime. That is not possible.

1098
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,199
And so when we look at like who's going to

1099
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,199
lead the country and who's going to have massive influence,

1100
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:08,840
and who's going to be a governor of a state,

1101
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,360
like one of the things that we should hold as

1102
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,599
a prerequisite is not just American citizenship, but they have

1103
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:20,880
to be American and those kinds of ties and bonds,

1104
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:26,400
ancestral bonds, and fidelity. We are kidding ourselves if we

1105
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,199
think that those things happen apart from time time.

1106
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:38,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I can't argue with you. It's

1107
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:46,639
you either have people who are arguing that anyone can

1108
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,679
come here and be a citizen right away, you just

1109
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:51,519
become an American. Then you have the other end that's like, well,

1110
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,400
I mean unless we deport everybody who wasn't here during

1111
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,639
the Civil War, you know, whose family wasn't here during

1112
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:59,000
the Civil War, And it's like, all right, yeah, I

1113
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,440
mean sure that includes me, although I think I think

1114
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,960
on my mother's side there were people here who were

1115
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,239
before the Civil War. It's hard to some of those

1116
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,079
genealogies es are really hard. But that doesn't seem to

1117
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:17,760
make sense. I mean you, if you look around, it's

1118
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,239
pretty obvious. And really, let's let's circle back on this.

1119
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:29,039
The way you make this easy is you have to

1120
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:33,199
facto balkanization. You have you start putting things down smaller,

1121
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,239
and then people can go, Okay, well who does not

1122
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,360
belong here? Well you're going to have to go somewhere else.

1123
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:42,360
Doing it for three hundred million people, I mean or

1124
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,679
three hundred and fifty. I mean, I have a tendency

1125
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:46,320
believe there might be four hundred million people in the

1126
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:52,480
country right now. You can't. You're talking, Oh Trump to

1127
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,920
port all these people. Well he said he could deport

1128
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,360
all these people. Well he's not the smartest, he's not

1129
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,960
the light. He's not the brightest bulb in the room.

1130
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,239
Speaker 2: For better or worse. Pete, you got to know this

1131
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,719
about me. I love me some Trump that said, I'm

1132
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,519
really struggling to trust the plan right now.

1133
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. You this. When you say that

1134
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,679
you can do this, you can't. You can only do

1135
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,199
this if you reduce it down to the local level.

1136
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,119
You have to. You have to mobilize people city wise,

1137
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:26,600
county wise, statewide. That's the only way this is going

1138
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,000
to happen. And those states, counties, and cities who refuse

1139
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,319
to do it, well, now you have them on the list. Yeah,

1140
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,960
and now you know, Now you know when it comes

1141
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:46,079
to balkanization time. Who yep, Yeah, they're the that the

1142
01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:49,119
military might have to show up, right, because we're not

1143
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:50,039
playing games.

1144
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,039
Speaker 2: Anymore, that's right, yep, Yeah, No, you're right. We know

1145
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:56,600
what needs to be done, and we can do it.

1146
01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:00,199
And we can do it as moderates. Right, Well, what

1147
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,880
you're describing this this, I mean like people are, oh

1148
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,600
my gosh, they're experience like this is the moderate position. Guys,

1149
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,239
there are way more, right you and I both that

1150
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,199
we've been in the back recesses of the internet, like

1151
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:13,279
there are there are way more severe positions out there,

1152
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,600
and this is the moderate position. Right. I always tell

1153
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,119
people all the time, I'm just you know, I'm just

1154
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,920
your your friendly neighborhood, moderate centrist, and and this is

1155
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:23,399
this is the moderate position. But but you're right in

1156
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,680
terms of what not what should be done, but what

1157
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,960
can be done. It cannot be done apart from getting smaller.

1158
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,960
We have to get smaller. Balkanization is I think it's inevitable.

1159
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,840
It's either Cromwellian. That's why I asked you earlier. Cromwellian

1160
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,000
or Balkanization. And here's the thing about Cromwell. Even if

1161
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,640
you could pull it off, it's a short shelf life.

1162
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1163
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,079
Speaker 2: It worked, you know, like it works for maybe one generation,

1164
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and then Cromwell's son turns out to be crappy, you know,

1165
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,800
and you and then you just default back to, you know,

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,840
the previous position. So I think Balkanization is inevitable and

1167
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,640
and it will be hard, There'll be challenges, and there's downsides.

1168
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,479
It's not all roses, but on the whole, I believe,

1169
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,760
by God's grace, it will be good. And what it

1170
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,399
provides the is for certain groups to keep being lib tarts,

1171
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,720
you know, and that's the prerogative, but it allows other

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:22,079
groups to actually have now not just theoretically, you know,

1173
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:27,560
the ideas, but the ability to actually do these things,

1174
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,159
including the moderate positions. I won't speak for you. I

1175
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:32,680
don't know your thoughts, but for me, I don't think

1176
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,640
Thomas full has to go back. I just don't call

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me a lib whatever, Clarence Thomas, he's my guy. He

1178
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,279
doesn't have to go back. But I do think, I

1179
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do think that that we do need to look at

1180
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who has been here for three generations, and there needs

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01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:54,800
to be a full moratorium on immigration, especially immigration from

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,680
the Third World. And let's be honest, what are we

1183
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,199
talking about there, Like we're talking about we should only

1184
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have some immigration that's a net zero with people who

1185
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,399
are actually leaving the country from countries that are compatible

1186
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,840
with America, which are predominantly European, countries which are predominantly

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01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,840
European stock. Right, we know what we're talking about, and

1188
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,239
it's not racist, and we're not picking on people because

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we don't like certain colors. We're just talking about people

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who actually are compatible with our country and its founding

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01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,520
in its way of life. But you can't do that

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01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,239
as the country currently is with three hundred and thirty

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01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:31,840
three hundred and fifty million people and one guy, Donald Trump.

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01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:34,920
Give you know, the guy has faults, but give him

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,439
a break. It's not just oh well, Donald Trump, he's failing.

1196
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,760
Is like, no, he can't do it. No one can

1197
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,840
do it, doesn't matter. Donald Trump could be Jesus incarnate

1198
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,840
and he's absolutely not, just for the record, but even

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if he wants, there's just there's some things you can't do.

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So we have to get smaller. We get smaller, then

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01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:55,439
we can not just talk about what we should do,

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,520
but we can actually have the conversation about what we

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:02,159
can do. And there are I believe, humane, god glorifying, merciful,

1204
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:07,000
even moderate options of saying, Okay, this person has to

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01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,800
go back, this other person gets to stay, but and

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,760
they can have some form of citizenship and they have

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01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,000
equal rights under the law, they can't be exploited, blah

1208
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,720
blah blah. But they're not a voting citizen. They're not

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,640
because they still in the big scheme of things. They

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,399
arrived relatively recently. And it's not just American citizen that

1211
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,399
gets to direct the country, but it's American and that

1212
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,119
speaks to ancestry, that speaks to rootedness. And and with that,

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01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:37,880
if I was king, which I'm not, but if I

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,119
was king and we had any voting at all, which

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even that I'm suspicious of, but we have any voting

1216
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,760
at all, I would want to limit voting to heads

1217
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,560
of household representative government at the household level, not individuals,

1218
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,880
but heads of households. I would want them to be men.

1219
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:58,920
I would want them to be Christian men, and I

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,720
want I would want them to have a stake both

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,560
in the past and in the future, meaning that in

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,199
the past three generations minimum to be able to be

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01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:10,000
a voting citizen in the future stake in the future.

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Married married, with the assumption that marriage is for the

1225
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,840
purpose many purposes, but one of the chief purposes being

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01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:22,760
procreation and posterity, so that they have they have a steak.

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:23,039
Speaker 1: In the ground.

1228
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:27,079
Speaker 2: Looking back and looking forward right in the history of

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01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:30,079
the country, third generation at least, and the future of

1230
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:32,960
the country. I'm married, and I have children or the

1231
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,119
intention of having children. Also, I am a man. So

1232
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,640
it's not that the wife and children don't have a voice,

1233
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,720
but they don't have a vote. One household vote, and

1234
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,359
that the voices of the whole household being expressed through

1235
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:48,720
the vote of the head of that household. And I

1236
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,840
would want them to be Christian, so Christian, male married,

1237
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:59,279
third generation, not just American citizen, but American and those

1238
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,880
that what is a moderate I mean you might even

1239
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,920
when we're done with this conversations and Joel's I'm not

1240
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,399
going to have him on the show again because he's

1241
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:08,800
a lib. But I like that is an extremely moderate position.

1242
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,039
It's not even bringing color into the equation. It's not

1243
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:14,880
bringing it's just saying you have to have a steak

1244
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,720
in the past, you have to have a steak in

1245
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,279
the future, and those kinds of conversations. Believe it or not,

1246
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:23,600
I know it sounds crazy, but it actually not just

1247
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,199
things that should be done. It can be done if

1248
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:31,760
if we balkanize and get smaller, and I'm hopeful I

1249
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:35,079
am despite all the despair at the end of the day,

1250
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,800
because I love the Lord Jesus Christ and I trust him.

1251
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:42,479
I actually think not only that, not only that it's

1252
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,359
a possibility, but I'm fairly white piled at the end

1253
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:48,840
of the day. I think it's I don't know if

1254
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,359
it happens in my lifetime, but I think it happens.

1255
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:56,079
Speaker 1: Well, I would say I'm white pilled too, mostly because

1256
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,960
I'm not putting my faith in politicians in Washington, DC.

1257
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: Amen.

1258
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,039
Speaker 1: I mean, you're that's the easiest black pill. If you

1259
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:07,880
you know, there are people who are listening to this

1260
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,199
who are still I mean, they're screaming Balkanization means China

1261
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:14,239
is going to take over this. You're not going to

1262
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,039
be able to fight the Jews. You're not gonna be

1263
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:16,760
It's like.

1264
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,359
Speaker 2: Enough about Michael O'Fallon, but go ahead.

1265
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you just have no you have no clue

1266
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,600
how one person or one body and how many how

1267
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,159
much is three hundred and three hundred and fifty four

1268
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:36,439
hundred million people, and how that just doesn't work. You

1269
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,880
want to complain about, oh all these libs and everything

1270
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,760
like that. It's like, well, what you just want them

1271
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,399
to keep being a part of your polity.

1272
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1273
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,279
Speaker 1: No, they get a country. They get a country, they

1274
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:54,159
get to be inside board, we get to know where

1275
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:54,640
they are.

1276
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 2: Mhm.

1277
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:58,239
Speaker 1: But they have no say in our life.

1278
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:59,319
Speaker 2: That's right.

1279
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,239
Speaker 1: And I'm perfectly fine with that. And you know, people

1280
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:05,439
get start arguing, well you have the cities versus the

1281
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,279
rural and are shut up.

1282
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to move man. That that's it. I

1283
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,640
tell people that all the time. I don't know if

1284
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,600
you know this, but I'm not much of a writer.

1285
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:18,319
My book it's a glorified blog, like who am I kidding?

1286
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,079
But it's you know, it's short, it's sweet, and it's

1287
01:16:21,239 --> 01:16:25,720
I don't have poetry and prose, but it's but it's true.

1288
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,199
It's a good it's a simple point, but but it's

1289
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:32,239
a it's a relevant, pertinent and true point. And so

1290
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,920
I wrote this little book Pete called a fight by

1291
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,760
Fight and and the subtitle is why leaving Godless Places

1292
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,720
is loving Godless places? And I know that's hard for

1293
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,119
that's and I'm going to be sensitive everything. We're talking

1294
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,520
about home and heritage, and that's hard for the fifth

1295
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,720
generation you know, California farmer who doesn't live in La

1296
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,640
he lives in Bakersfield, you know, or Modesto or something

1297
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,079
like that. I get it, and I'm so sympathetic. But

1298
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,039
and and he can say, you know, if he wants

1299
01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:04,359
for the time being, I'm not trying to bind the conscience.

1300
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,640
But if we're going to have hope, we're gonna have

1301
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,399
to eventually balkanize. And when we balkanize, it's not gonna

1302
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,239
be by city. That's just that's that's we just have

1303
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:19,239
to be honest with ourselves. Geography matters, right. God sets

1304
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:22,239
nations and borders and times, and he's done so. Even

1305
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:25,439
the fabric of how he built the world physically geographically,

1306
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,720
with mountain ranges and rivers and oceans. This is just

1307
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,760
this is the world we live in. This is reality.

1308
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,760
Welcome to reality. And what it means is that there

1309
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,640
are some salt of the earth, good Christian, blue collar

1310
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,279
people who live in California and voted for Trump three times,

1311
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,840
and they're gonna have to move. They're going to have

1312
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,880
to They're going to have to come to us. I

1313
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,479
might have to move Texas is kind of it's a

1314
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,439
little it's a little bit more sketchy than I like

1315
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,279
to admit, but we're all gonna have to be flexible.

1316
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,800
But by God's grace, it will pay dividends in the

1317
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,399
end and it will be worth it.

1318
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree. People argue that, you know, we

1319
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,000
we should own the cities, and we should. People argue

1320
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:18,279
that's where political power is, and it is. But you know,

1321
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:25,319
show me a really good plan for taking back the

1322
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:31,039
cities that's realistic, not don't don't. Don't tell me that

1323
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:33,840
Gerbel that Gebels went to Berlin and they took they

1324
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:39,720
took over Berlin. Okay, in a in a mono culture

1325
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:47,199
and in a lawless nation where you were warring in

1326
01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:53,359
the streets. Okay, I get yeah, I get that. I mean,

1327
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,439
I know the history. I read the book, actually read

1328
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,079
the book that's not here. You have to figure something

1329
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:05,600
else out, especially in a when you have a country

1330
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:12,640
and even localities that have five and six different interests

1331
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,119
in it. You're going to have to figure something out.

1332
01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:21,640
And it's not it's not what you think it's going

1333
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,439
to be. It never is what you think it's going

1334
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,560
to be. It just does it isn't. All You have

1335
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,520
to do is look at politics, see everything we are

1336
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,159
in the in the world. See everything's going on in

1337
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,439
the world, and you think you know what's happening. You

1338
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,520
don't know what's happening. They tell you what's happening, and

1339
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,680
then you find out what they told you is happening

1340
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,880
isn't what's happening. You don't know, you think you do,

1341
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,840
and you think that you're anger or you know you're

1342
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:54,319
all because of the knowledge you have in all the

1343
01:19:54,399 --> 01:19:57,000
books you read that you're going to figure it out.

1344
01:19:57,039 --> 01:19:59,800
You have it figured out on your own, you and

1345
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:04,399
your little group chat. You know, you know it's not

1346
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,039
the same remedy for everywhere. You're just gonna have to

1347
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:15,640
figure it out. And stop. I mean, yeah, just stop. Stop,

1348
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,439
Stop what you're doing right now. Re examine everything that

1349
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,319
you believe, and think about what we've been talking about.

1350
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,000
And we're not saying that we have it perfectly right,

1351
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,600
but I think both of us have been examining this

1352
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,920
for a long time and trying to examine it from

1353
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,760
a place where you put ideology aside for a second

1354
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:44,880
and you're like, okay, how does this work? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1355
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:48,960
I'm not an idelogue. It is. What is It's all

1356
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,399
about the culture where you're going to what you're trying

1357
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,760
to build. Until you figure that out, until you just

1358
01:20:54,840 --> 01:21:00,359
get over yourself, you're not it's not gonna work. What

1359
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:03,279
what you're thinking is not going to work, So you

1360
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,560
have to figure out what is going to work.

1361
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, the name of the Gangs, the way I would

1362
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:11,159
say it is short and sweet, is all the way

1363
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:13,760
back to the beginning of our conversation, which I've enjoyed thoroughly,

1364
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:17,840
is timeliness, not time lessness.

1365
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 2: Timelyiness right. The sons of Zikr they knew the times,

1366
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:29,159
and they're not just visionaries and profits, but they were pragmatists.

1367
01:21:29,279 --> 01:21:32,760
They knew the times, and they knew what Israel ought

1368
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,000
to do. That's what we's that's what we need. We

1369
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:41,600
do not need rainbows and unicorns. We do not need ideologues.

1370
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:45,239
We do not need beautiful losers, and we also don't

1371
01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:51,760
need principled losers who are trying to fight fight dead

1372
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,960
corpses that are our forefathers already fought and buried, but

1373
01:21:56,119 --> 01:22:01,079
ignoring the raging living dragons in our own. We need

1374
01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:05,239
guys who know the times and who have conviction and principles,

1375
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,239
but also are pragmatists and know what to do today

1376
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,880
and are willing to do. That's what we need. And

1377
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,760
apart from that, you are just LARPing. It's a joke.

1378
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: Jael, I really enjoyed our conversation. Tell people where they

1379
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,720
can find your work.

1380
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it too, Thanks Pete. It means a lot.

1381
01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:28,239
I'm honored you had me on. So go to right

1382
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:32,640
response ministries on YouTube search right Response Ministries, and then

1383
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,560
on X the handle is at right response m as

1384
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:42,279
in Macy's Right Response and that's about it.

1385
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, y'all. Until the next time. Thank you,

1386
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,319
all right, Thanks

1387
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:00,119
Speaker 2: You