WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.440 To be an antimedic because chapter eight is about Jesus 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:08.359 punishments in hell in the Talmud. So that's all true. 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:13.599 But the thing is that probably if you're debating with 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.879 a knowledgeable person, which not many evangelical zide and zions 5 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:19.960 are going to be that knowledgeable, but they may say 6 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:24.239 something like, well, you know, the tumbutic discussions are a 7 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.960 bunch of rabbinical debates, and they don't all necessarily constitute 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.839 a universal opinion in Judaism. Which the problem is that, okay, 9 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.399 that's that might be the case, but most of the 10 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:39.159 time when you talk about rabbinic Judaism that it's completely relativized, 11 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.039 such that you just follow whatever your local rabbi tells you, 12 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:45.960 and you're not supposed to go asking a bunch of 13 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.920 This is a rabbinic principle. You don't go ask a 14 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.000 bunch of other rabbis what the truth is because you 15 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.200 just go by what yours says, and well, if you say, well, 16 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.159 what if they contradict each other, it doesn't matter. So 17 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.039 it's a relativized type of position. 18 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.520 So kind of similar to like Islam in that way too. 19 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.640 It is very similar. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you have 20 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.400 hatdieths wh's were all insane and you've got He's insane 21 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.680 temeletic things. And by the way, the hadieths Uh and 22 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.319 the Quran borrow heavily from the Talmud. 23 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:21.480 Yes, I heard that actually the other day that someone 24 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.920 was giving me an explicit example from the Uh. 25 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.599 Yeah, I have one, say, I have some example saved 26 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:29.640 in my bookmarks here. 27 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.359 Yeah, that's that's pretty wild, honestly, but that that's it. 28 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.280 I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on that. 29 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.719 I appreciate it, and Uh, keep up the good work, Jay, 30 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:39.680 We all appreciate you. 31 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.400 Get Jesus and the Talment by Peter Schaeffer, who is 32 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.959 himself I think some kind of rabbi. 33 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:58.599 Chris again, Hey, so on that point of Islam and 34 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:04.000 Judaism being similar, do you find any distinctions or similarities 35 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:09.080 between Christian Zionism and let's say the Zohar that places 36 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.240 this like undue emphasis. 37 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:16.960 On spirituality and sort of just like being Did you 38 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.520 find any similarities between the Kabbalism and the drive of 39 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.759 the Christian Zionist movement. 40 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.280 I mean, there probably is some connection there, but much 41 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.639 of the kabbala is like repurposed and retooled Neoplatonism and 42 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:39.120 neoplatonic sort of world structures, or the Porphyrian tree, for example. 43 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.560 So I don't think evangelicals even know what any of 44 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.280 that is, and they're really just too stupid to even 45 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:51.199 look into that. So I doubt there's much philosophical depth 46 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.120 to that degree, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's 47 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:03.800 not some connection anybody else. It's open for him, hit 48 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.280 request to speak. If you'd like to discuss any of 49 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.199 the topics we've covered tonight, you can come to the 50 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:10.840 head of the line. 51 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:23.520 Jam Hello, sorry again part of my ignorance, but could 52 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:29.319 you give a brief summary on like the canonical justification 53 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:30.360 for Sunday worship. 54 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.080 Canonical, I mean it has to do with the New 55 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.759 Testament talking about that the Sabbath of the Jews is 56 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.159 fulfilled in Hebrews four and in the Book of Acts, 57 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.560 they consistently meet to worship the Lord on the Lord's Day, 58 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.840 such as John saying that he was in the spirit 59 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.000 on the Lord's Day, that's the day of the Resurrection. 60 00:03:52.319 --> 00:04:15.039 Okay, I appreciate it, sure, Onion, I mean, hellon yes, sir, Hey, Jay, First. 61 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.319 Of all, I just wanted to say, I'm you're probably 62 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.519 your greatest answer. I'm twenty years old. I was like 63 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.079 a suicide and nihilist before I found your stuff, So. 64 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.399 I really appreciate everything you do. I really appreciate everything 65 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:27.680 you do. 66 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.079 My question was just about what are your main criticisms 67 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.639 of Mormonism. I find them very fascinating because not a 68 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.079 lot of people talk about them. And is it okay 69 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:37.199 if I ask a second question? 70 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:37.480 Sir? 71 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.120 Yeah? I mean you can see if you look on 72 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.199 my clips channel or on if you just type in 73 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.680 on YouTube. Jadaur Comma Mormon. We've had multiple debates with Mormons. 74 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.399 Mormonism is polytheistic, it's borrowing heavily and its rituals from Freemasonry. 75 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.439 It has a lot of Gnostic space opera theology to it. 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.199 Joseph Smith added eleven verses to Genesis at the end 77 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.519 of Genesis to predict himself. So I mean these are 78 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.160 like pretty much defeaters for Mormons. 79 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:13.079 Okay, thank you? Is it fine if I ask a 80 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:13.680 second question? 81 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:14.680 Then sure? 82 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.879 So I was watching your debate with Trent Horn, and 83 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.199 I remember he asked a question about what it is 84 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.600 about uniquely about the orthodox God that makes him necessary 85 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.000 for the transcendental argument. And you said something about his 86 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.160 unique revelatory nature. Could you go further into detail on 87 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:30.959 what that means for me? 88 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:31.319 Please? 89 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.000 Yeah. I argue that the type of being that God is, 90 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:40.759 with his attributes such as omniscience and omnipresence and the 91 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.839 divine mind, is the type of being who could ground 92 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:50.519 such universal, immaterial, invariant abstract categories like mathematics and the 93 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:51.319 laws of logic. 94 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:53.759 Okay, yeah, thank you, sir. 95 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.920 We have a good day. 96 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.240 Absolutely good questions, sir. Yeah, be sure to look up 97 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.040 those Mormon debates because those are pretty funny. But Nanatine Emperor, 98 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.079 I remember the last Mormon guy that that I had 99 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.600 a debate with. He said, I remember when when I 100 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.279 I could you not this was I've actually heard two 101 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.519 Mormons argue this when I brought up the fact that 102 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:27.000 Joseph Smith added these prophecies to predict himself in Genesis 103 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.560 fifty when it's talking about Joseph the patriarch, Joseph Smith 104 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.439 saw an opportunity to add himself, pigeonhole himself in there, 105 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:36.920 like wedge himself in there, as as if it was 106 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.279 talking about Joseph Smith because it was mentioning Joseph. So 107 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:47.079 he adds eleven verses to Genesis fifty, and then the 108 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.800 Mormon guy was talking to He's like, well, the Apostles 109 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.959 did this with Jesus. They added all these verses to 110 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:57.120 make the Old Testament about Jesus. I'm not kidding, like 111 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.800 that was the actual, Like two Mormons have actually argued this, 112 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:02.759 like the Apostles or con men like Joseph Smith, and 113 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.120 they just kind of crafted the New Testament to make 114 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:08.680 it work with the Old Testament. Like literally that stupid 115 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.959 I seen him either. That was so chid. 116 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.160 Did you notice yesterday during the debate that he was 117 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:20.959 like pretending to be Catholic. 118 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.959 Well, I don't know what you mean, because I just 119 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:27.720 went by what he said and then he claimed he 120 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.439 had this uh novousorto priest that was supposedly Zionis. 121 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.040 So yeah, I was just curious because like I was 122 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.600 like rewatching the debate and then you mentioned the kope 123 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.319 he was going through on Twitter. The guy is still 124 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.519 today throughout the entire day basically acknowledging that, like he 125 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.160 was trolling you and pretending that he's Catholic just because 126 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.639 he was this is not made up because he was 127 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.959 raised Catholic, so it sounds weird to say anything else. 128 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.279 Yeah, Kristin pointed that out to me a few minutes ago, 129 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.800 that like he's he's so basically just admitting that he lied. 130 00:07:58.240 --> 00:07:58.720 So weird. 131 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.480 Ill, So I had a funny thing happened with a 132 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.879 Mormon that was like the same thing the other day. 133 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.399 I was obviously just wasting time on Twitter. But when 134 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:15.600 you bring up the Genesis additions and then point out 135 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:19.480 that there's supposed to be no future revelation, they just 136 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.439 get into a like a continuous circular argument on the 137 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:23.920 Mormon point that you just brought up. 138 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.600 Well, no, those are two different points. So the Genesis, 139 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.000 the additions to Genesis are fraudulent because there is no 140 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.279 eleven extra verses that refer to Joseph Smith. That's fraudulent 141 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:38.159 adding to the scriptures. That's not an argument on the 142 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.320 basis of the finality revelation. The finality relation to a 143 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.720 separate argument that that cuts out any cult, whether Mormon 144 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.440 or Joe's witness that after the death of the Apostles, 145 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.240 the faith was once we're all delivered to the Saints. 146 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.879 Thus there can never be any more new revelations that 147 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.000 are public divine revelation period. Gotcha, yeah, Mormons, this cuts 148 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.879 out jos I mean, what's her name, the founder of 149 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.200 the Alan White, the seventy Avenist woman. She claims that 150 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.279 she had the gift of prophecy and she has new 151 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.440 revelations battle groups. Right, that's all cut out. 152 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.399 Immediately got it because when I was bringing this up 153 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:21.759 to a Mormon, I see where you're saying that they're 154 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.399 separate arguments, but they actually try to make it be 155 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.440 the same argument in a way I've heard before. Basically, 156 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:34.279 they claim the reinterpretation was essentially what you're saying in Genesis, 157 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:40.360 that there were quote not additions, but they were reinterpretations. 158 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.399 Because there are no attacks prior to the existence of 159 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.559 Mormonism that have eleven extra verses about Joseph Smith. 160 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.159 No, exactly, No, I totally agree. But they actually get 161 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.559 into this circular thing where they then bring up how 162 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.840 one it was a you know, they were real additions, 163 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.039 and I'm like, that's not the case. And their argument 164 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:03.320 is essentially for reason that they could have found more additions, 165 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.279 even though it has obvious implications on the now. 166 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.919 There where is the basis for more additions to Genesis. 167 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:14.360 No, there isn't any. My point is if you've ever 168 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:16.000 argued I don't know if you've ever heard like, but 169 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.639 more Mormons actually argue this. Then if you point out 170 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.000 that there can't be any additions, they say that there 171 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:21.840 is there just is. 172 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.039 Oh I thought you said additions like ed I no, no, 173 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.159 and so wait, so they're saying that there can be 174 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:31.879 new additions to Genesis. 175 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.320 Basically there was a reinterpretation. 176 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:35.639 It wasn't an addition. 177 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:37.600 And then when you point out that there's like clear 178 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.399 implications of the addition that would you know, have impact 179 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.519 on the religion that they then claim that it was 180 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:45.879 just poorly interpreted the whole time. And then if you 181 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:51.600 try to get into the argument that it couldn't have been, yeah, exactly, 182 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.919 So you can't like literally they just argue in a circle. 183 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.919 But that's the well, see that's the same move that 184 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.440 the that the Muslims make to try to defend the coron. 185 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.600 So that's why you can't have this circular argument whether 186 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:04.519 you're not more Mormon. 187 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.279 Yeah, I just didn't know if you've you've ever heard that, 188 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.240 because you literally can't have an honest conversation with them 189 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.279 it's probably not. 190 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:17.320 I mean I've only had Mormon discussions actually, probably in 191 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.960 the last couple of years, so I've not had that 192 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:30.519 much exposure to Mormon base. Actually, Tarzan, what's up? I'm you? 193 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:52.759 Are you there, Tarzan? I'm you. You have to unmute 194 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:58.120 to speak, man, can you hear me? Yeah? 195 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.679 Hey, Jay had a question for you if the Romans, 196 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.159 when they destroyed the Temple in seventy a d. All 197 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.919 the archives of the tribal genealogies for the Jews was destroyed, 198 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.240 so that means that they can't say with any precision 199 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.440 any Jew that they are actually have any lineage or 200 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.960 anything to do with Abraham. 201 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.799 Well, I mean, there might be questions as to the 202 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.519 veracity of their claims, but I don't think that it's 203 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:29.200 true that because the Temple was destroyed, nobody knows if 204 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.799 there are any Jews, because all the Church fathers in 205 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.840 every century after the first century treat Jews as Jews. 206 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.320 Would would you say that only us Orthodox Christians can 207 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.360 say without a doubt, by taking part of the sacraments 208 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.320 of the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ, that we 209 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.399 can actually say undeniably that we do have a lineage 210 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:52.600 through Jesus Christ, through Abraham without any doubt. 211 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:53.679 Now we are. 212 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.000 That's what Galatians three is all about. That's what last 213 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.000 line is today was about. 214 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.679 Because Protestants can't say that they have like, let's say, 215 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:06.679 a inferiority complex before Jews, but we actually partake in 216 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.039 the sacraments, we can actually say we have a direct 217 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.120 lineage to Abraham. 218 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:14.240 Sure exactly, that's what That's the entire thing they're missing, 219 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.679 and that's why the historicity of the church, the historical church, 220 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:18.559 is what matters. 221 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.200 One more question, if I may, if in terms of 222 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:27.279 I'm sure, like from your research, after we die, there's 223 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.759 a branch of thought. I think a father Seraphim Rose 224 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.759 he also believed in the toll houses, and we find 225 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:38.240 that in many of the canons. But there isn't always 226 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.960 a consensus on that, something like professor Quiller, I think 227 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.840 his name was Alexander the Greek. 228 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.519 The Greeks oftentimes are if you on where they looks. 229 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.679 Up, so there isn't like a consensus. We don't really know. 230 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.799 I think there is a tradition of the toll houses, 231 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.879 but I think that it can get kind of weird 232 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:02.519 and insane that people say every statement literally. I don't 233 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.159 know that you know, it can turn into some kind 234 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.720 of like Orthodox version of purgatory. But I do think 235 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.879 there is some some outline of that as part of 236 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:14.559 our tradition, but it might not constitute you know, hard 237 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:20.080 dogma for sure. By the way, Father Deacon, are you there? Yeah? Sorry, 238 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.720 what did you say? I noticed another verse that I 239 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:27.279 think could relate to that topic when we are encountering 240 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:33.919 Mormons or Charismatics. The prediction in Daniel nine, which that 241 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:38.200 guy brought up last night, when it talks about the 242 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.279 Messiah being cut off, one of the things it says 243 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:44.000 is that he brings in everlasting righteousness and seals up 244 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:49.200 vision and prophecy. To me, that suggests that the notion 245 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:53.240 of visions and prophecies are something in the in that 246 00:14:53.879 --> 00:15:02.279 you know, prophetic Old Testaments since are sealed up mine. Yeah, yeah, good. 247 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:07.159 Call anybody else. If you're a Charismatic, if you're a Pentecostal, 248 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:08.879 if you're a Mormon, if you're a Muslim, if you're 249 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:10.879 a Hebrew roots for Blacky Burris, or that you're a 250 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.879 Catholic papist, dispensationalist, you go to the head of the line. 251 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:17.960 Even atheist. If there's an atheist, if they want to 252 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:25.000 call in hit requests, speak on bringing up to the top. 253 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.320 Still got almost foreign to people through sixty five. Maybe 254 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.879 we should call it a night. I don't see anybody 255 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.200 Else's your last chance if anybody wants to hop on 256 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.919 good news for everybody. I finished Calliwood three today. I 257 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.360 stayed up last night. Thank you. Grok finished it today. 258 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.960 Grok wrote the entire book. I didn't write a single thing. 259 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.759 I just said, Groc write an entire ast caly with three. 260 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:58.200 So I'm taking it easy. Take it easy, Bloomerton's take it. 261 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:05.480 Don't let the sound of your own gone hit the ground. 262 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.559 I don't know the words. I'm not an Eagles fan. 263 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:14.360 I listening to that boom or shit. I only listen 264 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:20.440 to the grateful Dead, like Dirty d and Fish Grayful 265 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:22.440 Dead and Fish is the only band I listened to. 266 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:30.879 Were you were You're the biggest ninety two? Oh? Yeah? 267 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.840 Did you ever follow bands? Followed? Yeah? 268 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.399 I followed the Dead Fish. 269 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.320 Are you joking? 270 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.600 I know, I know you were joking, but I'm not 271 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.519 dead serious. Get it dead serious. 272 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:47.320 You've actually been to a dead Yeah? 273 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.799 I went to a dead I went to a dead 274 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.279 show and then used to I mean, I was quite 275 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.960 a clectic in my music, so I was I. 276 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:57.360 Was gonna say, I remember a picture of you had 277 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:58.840 a rave. I didn't know you were a deadhead. 278 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:07.799 Yeah, the Ray for rasta punk, hardcore jam band anything. 279 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.920 But let's see, let's go through. Let's use the apathetic 280 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.960 approach to definitely not country. 281 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:20.799 Country and rap. 282 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:26.519 I guess, yeah, maybe some like kind of cool underground 283 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.680 hip hop stuff, old school eighties rap and stuff like that. 284 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:36.720 I like that stuff, but yeah, and uh, what would 285 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.079 either be another no go music. 286 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:42.240 For you? 287 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:43.400 Uh? 288 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.880 For me, I'm not a huge fan of like anything 289 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:54.839 contemporary adult contemporary radio crap like like mom music like 290 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.240 Peter Setera, or like none of that. 291 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:11.839 How about He's been worship No kl is the Deer Pond. 292 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.720 No, I'm not a huge country fan either, except for 293 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.319 some of the old country like Hank Williams Junior. 294 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:19.400 Fantastic. 295 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.039 Yeah, that kind of stuff is cool. Countries Billy, what's 296 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:24.279 up man? What's on your mind? 297 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:28.839 How you guys doing? 298 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.720 Hey? 299 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:33.359 Uh? 300 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.279 Is was this meant to be some sort of religious 301 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:37.400 uh space? 302 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:44.319 Yeah, it's an open debate on the topics of Christian Zionism, dispensationalism, Evangelicalism, Catholicism, 303 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.440 Hebrew Roots Islam, Mormonism, you name it. 304 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:54.400 Very soon Israel will build a third temple and they're 305 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:01.480 gonna name Trump Messiah. He is the anti Christ, Trump's 306 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.000 anti Elon Musk is the false prophet. 307 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.720 Okay, that's what Grox said. 308 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:12.039 I typed in, Yeah, exactly, make. 309 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.599 A prophecy that Grock is going to be the Antichrist 310 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.160 that goes into the and do the abomination of desolation. 311 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:36.240 Yes, doctor Michael, what's up? Good, I'm you, doctor Michael. 312 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:38.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 313 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:39.680 So I have a brother. 314 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:46.960 Who's Hebrew Roots Christian and uh, you know he's he 315 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:50.440 keeps telling me about the whole Bible, and uh he 316 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:56.680 celebrates some of the Jewish holidays and says that you 317 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:57.559 must do this. 318 00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:59.000 And so what. 319 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:03.240 Would your argument be to refute this, which I think is, 320 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.400 you know, this Judaea sized Christianity that's that some of 321 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:10.480 these people are are pursuing. 322 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.119 Right. Well, the first thing is that two epistles were 323 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:17.440 written precisely to combat this this heresy, the Book of 324 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.519 Galatians and the Book of Hebrews, first and foremost, and. 325 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.319 Secondly, for get two Theologians. 326 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.559 There was Act fifteen the Jerusalem Council, which settled the 327 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:31.319 issue about what is expected for gentiles who convert to 328 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.119 the Church. So all of those things are first and 329 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:36.839 foremost as kind of easy defeaters. But beyond that, we 330 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.759 did a whole documentary on Orthodox Shahada. My friend Lewis 331 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.240 put together a documentary that's really good called Orthodox Christian 332 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.200 Worship and the Old Testament, and it kind of demonstrates 333 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.359 that what these people are looking for is actually in 334 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:52.240 the Orthodox Church. Right, so they want to have, you know, 335 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.559 Judaic pentecost services, Well, that's what the church has. We 336 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.440 have pasca, we have Pentecosts. That's in the Orthodox Church. Also, 337 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:02.000 it's say, another easy to is the fact that the 338 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.160 Jews never considered that any of these things would be 339 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:09.200 celebrated outside of the land. It's actually impossible to keep 340 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:13.880 many of these ceremonies and celebrations that are mentioned in 341 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.279 the Mosaic Law outside of the land of Israel, and 342 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.720 Jews never considered that that would be something that the 343 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:24.000 gentiles will be expected to keep, which is funny because 344 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.359 they have this idea of, well, the gentiles are supposed 345 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.839 to keep the noe at Covenant. Well, that's exactly what 346 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.720 Acts fifteen looks to when they decide what's required for 347 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.960 gentiles converting to the Church. So all these issues have 348 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:51.200 been solved in those three things. Fermando, Fernando, what's that? 349 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:53.559 Hey, what's up? 350 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:53.799 Jay? 351 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.519 Yes, sir a J. 352 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:02.279 So I'm a current Protestant trying to figure shit out 353 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:08.799 right now, really trying to figure my way, you know, 354 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.680 on a journey, I guess you can say. Uh kind 355 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:16.559 of started listening to Shamoon and I guess that was 356 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:20.759 like the first domino to drop when I started finding 357 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.480 out that, you know, Christian Zionism was erroneous and stuff, 358 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.359 and and I thought it was kind of cool that 359 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.440 what's his name Andrew Wilson kind of mentioned like that 360 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:37.680 you should find some Christian Zionists debate because that's one 361 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:38.880 of the one of the doctrines. 362 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:39.839 I think that fell. 363 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.960 That kind of started, you know, helping me kind of 364 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.400 work through and sorting out all this stuff. And right 365 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:55.640 now I'm kind of in the in the closet Protestant. 366 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.759 My family still really doesn't know. My wife doesn't know. 367 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:00.559 Uh. 368 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:04.079 I haven't really figured out a way to break it 369 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:04.480 to them. 370 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.359 And stuff. I had a question about. 371 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.599 So you know that you were saying that a lot 372 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.000 of the promises in the nation state of Israel applying 373 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:15.680 now to the Church. 374 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:18.640 Yeah, Paul says, the sacred there is one that all 375 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.680 the promises are yea in Christ, and he means the 376 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.160 Covenant promises. So all the covenants literally point to Christ 377 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.400 and are consistent and incontinuity with the Final Covenant. With 378 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.079 Jeremiah thirty one and thirty three call the New Covenant. 379 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:38.200 Okay, So then so so now I've heard I've heard 380 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:43.359 that argument that the promises now apply to the church. 381 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:45.039 And does that that also mean? 382 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.519 I mean Galatian six sixteen says the church is the 383 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:49.000 Israel of. 384 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.640 God, right right, right right, and that that also means 385 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.119 the land as well. The dispute as far as the land, 386 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:56.359 does that mean? 387 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.799 Explains that when the Jews took the land and the 388 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:04.079 Old Testament, that's a type of the Church taking the world. 389 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:06.640 The land is the type of the entire world and 390 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.279 Romans for Paul applies that to the entire world being 391 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.279 taken over by the Church through the Gospel. 392 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:19.039 So, so would you say it would be so as 393 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.920 a Christian, would we not take take sides as far 394 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:25.240 as with like Palestinians or. 395 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.119 The traditional Christian position is that that land has been 396 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:32.119 sanctified by the Church and that's ultimately a Christian place, 397 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:37.400 a Christian pilgrimage site, even back to Byzantium. So that's 398 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.480 the classic Christian perspective. And at one time you had 399 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.119 a Byzantine you know, Christian government government there. But in 400 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.240 terms of the modern situation, it's difficult really to take 401 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.680