1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,440
Speaker 1: To be an antimedic because chapter eight is about Jesus

2
00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,359
punishments in hell in the Talmud. So that's all true.

3
00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,599
But the thing is that probably if you're debating with

4
00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,879
a knowledgeable person, which not many evangelical zide and zions

5
00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,960
are going to be that knowledgeable, but they may say

6
00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,239
something like, well, you know, the tumbutic discussions are a

7
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,960
bunch of rabbinical debates, and they don't all necessarily constitute

8
00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,839
a universal opinion in Judaism. Which the problem is that, okay,

9
00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:34,399
that's that might be the case, but most of the

10
00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:39,159
time when you talk about rabbinic Judaism that it's completely relativized,

11
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,039
such that you just follow whatever your local rabbi tells you,

12
00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,960
and you're not supposed to go asking a bunch of

13
00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,920
This is a rabbinic principle. You don't go ask a

14
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,000
bunch of other rabbis what the truth is because you

15
00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:54,200
just go by what yours says, and well, if you say, well,

16
00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:57,159
what if they contradict each other, it doesn't matter. So

17
00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,039
it's a relativized type of position.

18
00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520
Speaker 2: So kind of similar to like Islam in that way too.

19
00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 1: It is very similar. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you have

20
00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:10,400
hatdieths wh's were all insane and you've got He's insane

21
00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:13,680
temeletic things. And by the way, the hadieths Uh and

22
00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:17,319
the Quran borrow heavily from the Talmud.

23
00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:21,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I heard that actually the other day that someone

24
00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,920
was giving me an explicit example from the Uh.

25
00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one, say, I have some example saved

26
00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:29,640
in my bookmarks here.

27
00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty wild, honestly, but that that's it.

28
00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:36,280
I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on that.

29
00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,719
I appreciate it, and Uh, keep up the good work, Jay,

30
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,680
We all appreciate you.

31
00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:42,400
Speaker 1: Get Jesus and the Talment by Peter Schaeffer, who is

32
00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,959
himself I think some kind of rabbi.

33
00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:58,599
Speaker 4: Chris again, Hey, so on that point of Islam and

34
00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:04,000
Judaism being similar, do you find any distinctions or similarities

35
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,080
between Christian Zionism and let's say the Zohar that places

36
00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,240
this like undue emphasis.

37
00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,960
Speaker 5: On spirituality and sort of just like being Did you

38
00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,520
find any similarities between the Kabbalism and the drive of

39
00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,759
the Christian Zionist movement.

40
00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there probably is some connection there, but much

41
00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:32,639
of the kabbala is like repurposed and retooled Neoplatonism and

42
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,120
neoplatonic sort of world structures, or the Porphyrian tree, for example.

43
00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,560
So I don't think evangelicals even know what any of

44
00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,280
that is, and they're really just too stupid to even

45
00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,199
look into that. So I doubt there's much philosophical depth

46
00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:54,120
to that degree, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's

47
00:02:54,120 --> 00:03:03,800
not some connection anybody else. It's open for him, hit

48
00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:07,280
request to speak. If you'd like to discuss any of

49
00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,199
the topics we've covered tonight, you can come to the

50
00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:10,840
head of the line.

51
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:23,520
Speaker 6: Jam Hello, sorry again part of my ignorance, but could

52
00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:29,319
you give a brief summary on like the canonical justification

53
00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:30,360
for Sunday worship.

54
00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,080
Speaker 1: Canonical, I mean it has to do with the New

55
00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,759
Testament talking about that the Sabbath of the Jews is

56
00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:42,159
fulfilled in Hebrews four and in the Book of Acts,

57
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,560
they consistently meet to worship the Lord on the Lord's Day,

58
00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:48,840
such as John saying that he was in the spirit

59
00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,000
on the Lord's Day, that's the day of the Resurrection.

60
00:03:52,319 --> 00:04:15,039
Speaker 7: Okay, I appreciate it, sure, Onion, I mean, hellon yes, sir, Hey, Jay, First.

61
00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,319
Speaker 8: Of all, I just wanted to say, I'm you're probably

62
00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,519
your greatest answer. I'm twenty years old. I was like

63
00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,079
a suicide and nihilist before I found your stuff, So.

64
00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,399
Speaker 9: I really appreciate everything you do. I really appreciate everything

65
00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:27,680
you do.

66
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,079
Speaker 8: My question was just about what are your main criticisms

67
00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,639
of Mormonism. I find them very fascinating because not a

68
00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,079
lot of people talk about them. And is it okay

69
00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,199
if I ask a second question?

70
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:37,480
Speaker 10: Sir?

71
00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean you can see if you look on

72
00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,199
my clips channel or on if you just type in

73
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,680
on YouTube. Jadaur Comma Mormon. We've had multiple debates with Mormons.

74
00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,399
Mormonism is polytheistic, it's borrowing heavily and its rituals from Freemasonry.

75
00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,439
It has a lot of Gnostic space opera theology to it.

76
00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,199
Joseph Smith added eleven verses to Genesis at the end

77
00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,519
of Genesis to predict himself. So I mean these are

78
00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,160
like pretty much defeaters for Mormons.

79
00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:13,079
Speaker 11: Okay, thank you? Is it fine if I ask a

80
00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:13,680
second question?

81
00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,680
Speaker 1: Then sure?

82
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,879
Speaker 8: So I was watching your debate with Trent Horn, and

83
00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:21,199
I remember he asked a question about what it is

84
00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:24,600
about uniquely about the orthodox God that makes him necessary

85
00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:27,000
for the transcendental argument. And you said something about his

86
00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,160
unique revelatory nature. Could you go further into detail on

87
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:30,959
what that means for me?

88
00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,319
Speaker 12: Please?

89
00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I argue that the type of being that God is,

90
00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,759
with his attributes such as omniscience and omnipresence and the

91
00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,839
divine mind, is the type of being who could ground

92
00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,519
such universal, immaterial, invariant abstract categories like mathematics and the

93
00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,319
laws of logic.

94
00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:53,759
Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, thank you, sir.

95
00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,920
Speaker 13: We have a good day.

96
00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely good questions, sir. Yeah, be sure to look up

97
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,040
those Mormon debates because those are pretty funny. But Nanatine Emperor,

98
00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,079
I remember the last Mormon guy that that I had

99
00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,600
a debate with. He said, I remember when when I

100
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,279
I could you not this was I've actually heard two

101
00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:21,519
Mormons argue this when I brought up the fact that

102
00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,000
Joseph Smith added these prophecies to predict himself in Genesis

103
00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,560
fifty when it's talking about Joseph the patriarch, Joseph Smith

104
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,439
saw an opportunity to add himself, pigeonhole himself in there,

105
00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,920
like wedge himself in there, as as if it was

106
00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:40,279
talking about Joseph Smith because it was mentioning Joseph. So

107
00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:47,079
he adds eleven verses to Genesis fifty, and then the

108
00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:49,800
Mormon guy was talking to He's like, well, the Apostles

109
00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,959
did this with Jesus. They added all these verses to

110
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:57,120
make the Old Testament about Jesus. I'm not kidding, like

111
00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,800
that was the actual, Like two Mormons have actually argued this,

112
00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:02,759
like the Apostles or con men like Joseph Smith, and

113
00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,120
they just kind of crafted the New Testament to make

114
00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,680
it work with the Old Testament. Like literally that stupid

115
00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,959
I seen him either. That was so chid.

116
00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,160
Speaker 14: Did you notice yesterday during the debate that he was

117
00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:20,959
like pretending to be Catholic.

118
00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,959
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what you mean, because I just

119
00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,720
went by what he said and then he claimed he

120
00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,439
had this uh novousorto priest that was supposedly Zionis.

121
00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,040
Speaker 14: So yeah, I was just curious because like I was

122
00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600
like rewatching the debate and then you mentioned the kope

123
00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,319
he was going through on Twitter. The guy is still

124
00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,519
today throughout the entire day basically acknowledging that, like he

125
00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,160
was trolling you and pretending that he's Catholic just because

126
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,639
he was this is not made up because he was

127
00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:50,959
raised Catholic, so it sounds weird to say anything else.

128
00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kristin pointed that out to me a few minutes ago,

129
00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:56,800
that like he's he's so basically just admitting that he lied.

130
00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:58,720
So weird.

131
00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,480
Speaker 14: Ill, So I had a funny thing happened with a

132
00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,879
Mormon that was like the same thing the other day.

133
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,399
I was obviously just wasting time on Twitter. But when

134
00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:15,600
you bring up the Genesis additions and then point out

135
00:08:15,639 --> 00:08:19,480
that there's supposed to be no future revelation, they just

136
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,439
get into a like a continuous circular argument on the

137
00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,920
Mormon point that you just brought up.

138
00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:26,600
Speaker 1: Well, no, those are two different points. So the Genesis,

139
00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,000
the additions to Genesis are fraudulent because there is no

140
00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,279
eleven extra verses that refer to Joseph Smith. That's fraudulent

141
00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:38,159
adding to the scriptures. That's not an argument on the

142
00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,320
basis of the finality revelation. The finality relation to a

143
00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,720
separate argument that that cuts out any cult, whether Mormon

144
00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,440
or Joe's witness that after the death of the Apostles,

145
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,240
the faith was once we're all delivered to the Saints.

146
00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,879
Thus there can never be any more new revelations that

147
00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,000
are public divine revelation period. Gotcha, yeah, Mormons, this cuts

148
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,879
out jos I mean, what's her name, the founder of

149
00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,200
the Alan White, the seventy Avenist woman. She claims that

150
00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:11,279
she had the gift of prophecy and she has new

151
00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,440
revelations battle groups. Right, that's all cut out.

152
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,399
Speaker 14: Immediately got it because when I was bringing this up

153
00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,759
to a Mormon, I see where you're saying that they're

154
00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:24,399
separate arguments, but they actually try to make it be

155
00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:27,440
the same argument in a way I've heard before. Basically,

156
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:34,279
they claim the reinterpretation was essentially what you're saying in Genesis,

157
00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:40,360
that there were quote not additions, but they were reinterpretations.

158
00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,399
Speaker 1: Because there are no attacks prior to the existence of

159
00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,559
Mormonism that have eleven extra verses about Joseph Smith.

160
00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:49,159
Speaker 14: No, exactly, No, I totally agree. But they actually get

161
00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:53,559
into this circular thing where they then bring up how

162
00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:56,840
one it was a you know, they were real additions,

163
00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,039
and I'm like, that's not the case. And their argument

164
00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,320
is essentially for reason that they could have found more additions,

165
00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,279
even though it has obvious implications on the now.

166
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,919
Speaker 1: There where is the basis for more additions to Genesis.

167
00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,360
Speaker 14: No, there isn't any. My point is if you've ever

168
00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,000
argued I don't know if you've ever heard like, but

169
00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,639
more Mormons actually argue this. Then if you point out

170
00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:21,000
that there can't be any additions, they say that there

171
00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,840
is there just is.

172
00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:25,039
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you said additions like ed I no, no,

173
00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:30,159
and so wait, so they're saying that there can be

174
00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:31,879
new additions to Genesis.

175
00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,320
Speaker 14: Basically there was a reinterpretation.

176
00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:35,639
Speaker 1: It wasn't an addition.

177
00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,600
Speaker 14: And then when you point out that there's like clear

178
00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,399
implications of the addition that would you know, have impact

179
00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,519
on the religion that they then claim that it was

180
00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,879
just poorly interpreted the whole time. And then if you

181
00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:51,600
try to get into the argument that it couldn't have been, yeah, exactly,

182
00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,919
So you can't like literally they just argue in a circle.

183
00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,919
Speaker 1: But that's the well, see that's the same move that

184
00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,440
the that the Muslims make to try to defend the coron.

185
00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,600
So that's why you can't have this circular argument whether

186
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,519
you're not more Mormon.

187
00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,279
Speaker 14: Yeah, I just didn't know if you've you've ever heard that,

188
00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,240
because you literally can't have an honest conversation with them

189
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,279
it's probably not.

190
00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean I've only had Mormon discussions actually, probably in

191
00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,960
the last couple of years, so I've not had that

192
00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:30,519
much exposure to Mormon base. Actually, Tarzan, what's up? I'm you?

193
00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:52,759
Are you there, Tarzan? I'm you. You have to unmute

194
00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:58,120
to speak, man, can you hear me? Yeah?

195
00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,679
Speaker 15: Hey, Jay had a question for you if the Romans,

196
00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,159
when they destroyed the Temple in seventy a d. All

197
00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,919
the archives of the tribal genealogies for the Jews was destroyed,

198
00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:11,240
so that means that they can't say with any precision

199
00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,440
any Jew that they are actually have any lineage or

200
00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,960
anything to do with Abraham.

201
00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,799
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there might be questions as to the

202
00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:25,519
veracity of their claims, but I don't think that it's

203
00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,200
true that because the Temple was destroyed, nobody knows if

204
00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,799
there are any Jews, because all the Church fathers in

205
00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,840
every century after the first century treat Jews as Jews.

206
00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 15: Would would you say that only us Orthodox Christians can

207
00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,360
say without a doubt, by taking part of the sacraments

208
00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,320
of the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ, that we

209
00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,399
can actually say undeniably that we do have a lineage

210
00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:52,600
through Jesus Christ, through Abraham without any doubt.

211
00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:53,679
Speaker 9: Now we are.

212
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,000
Speaker 1: That's what Galatians three is all about. That's what last

213
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
line is today was about.

214
00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:00,679
Speaker 15: Because Protestants can't say that they have like, let's say,

215
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,679
a inferiority complex before Jews, but we actually partake in

216
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,039
the sacraments, we can actually say we have a direct

217
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,120
lineage to Abraham.

218
00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:14,240
Speaker 1: Sure exactly, that's what That's the entire thing they're missing,

219
00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,679
and that's why the historicity of the church, the historical church,

220
00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:18,559
is what matters.

221
00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,200
Speaker 15: One more question, if I may, if in terms of

222
00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:27,279
I'm sure, like from your research, after we die, there's

223
00:13:27,879 --> 00:13:30,759
a branch of thought. I think a father Seraphim Rose

224
00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:35,759
he also believed in the toll houses, and we find

225
00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:38,240
that in many of the canons. But there isn't always

226
00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:42,960
a consensus on that, something like professor Quiller, I think

227
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,840
his name was Alexander the Greek.

228
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,519
Speaker 1: The Greeks oftentimes are if you on where they looks.

229
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,679
Speaker 15: Up, so there isn't like a consensus. We don't really know.

230
00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,799
Speaker 1: I think there is a tradition of the toll houses,

231
00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,879
but I think that it can get kind of weird

232
00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:02,519
and insane that people say every statement literally. I don't

233
00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:04,159
know that you know, it can turn into some kind

234
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,720
of like Orthodox version of purgatory. But I do think

235
00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,879
there is some some outline of that as part of

236
00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:14,559
our tradition, but it might not constitute you know, hard

237
00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:20,080
dogma for sure. By the way, Father Deacon, are you there? Yeah? Sorry,

238
00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,720
what did you say? I noticed another verse that I

239
00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,279
think could relate to that topic when we are encountering

240
00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:33,919
Mormons or Charismatics. The prediction in Daniel nine, which that

241
00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:38,200
guy brought up last night, when it talks about the

242
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,279
Messiah being cut off, one of the things it says

243
00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:44,000
is that he brings in everlasting righteousness and seals up

244
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,200
vision and prophecy. To me, that suggests that the notion

245
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,240
of visions and prophecies are something in the in that

246
00:14:53,879 --> 00:15:02,279
you know, prophetic Old Testaments since are sealed up mine. Yeah, yeah, good.

247
00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:07,159
Call anybody else. If you're a Charismatic, if you're a Pentecostal,

248
00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:08,879
if you're a Mormon, if you're a Muslim, if you're

249
00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:10,879
a Hebrew roots for Blacky Burris, or that you're a

250
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,879
Catholic papist, dispensationalist, you go to the head of the line.

251
00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:17,960
Even atheist. If there's an atheist, if they want to

252
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:25,000
call in hit requests, speak on bringing up to the top.

253
00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,320
Still got almost foreign to people through sixty five. Maybe

254
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,879
we should call it a night. I don't see anybody

255
00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:34,200
Else's your last chance if anybody wants to hop on

256
00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,919
good news for everybody. I finished Calliwood three today. I

257
00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,360
stayed up last night. Thank you. Grok finished it today.

258
00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,960
Grok wrote the entire book. I didn't write a single thing.

259
00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:50,759
I just said, Groc write an entire ast caly with three.

260
00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:58,200
So I'm taking it easy. Take it easy, Bloomerton's take it.

261
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,480
Don't let the sound of your own gone hit the ground.

262
00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,559
I don't know the words. I'm not an Eagles fan.

263
00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,360
I listening to that boom or shit. I only listen

264
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:20,440
to the grateful Dead, like Dirty d and Fish Grayful

265
00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:22,440
Dead and Fish is the only band I listened to.

266
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:30,879
Were you were You're the biggest ninety two? Oh? Yeah?

267
00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:33,840
Did you ever follow bands? Followed? Yeah?

268
00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,399
Speaker 9: I followed the Dead Fish.

269
00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,320
Speaker 1: Are you joking?

270
00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:41,600
Speaker 9: I know, I know you were joking, but I'm not

271
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,519
dead serious. Get it dead serious.

272
00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 1: You've actually been to a dead Yeah?

273
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,799
Speaker 9: I went to a dead I went to a dead

274
00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,279
show and then used to I mean, I was quite

275
00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,960
a clectic in my music, so I was I.

276
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, I remember a picture of you had

277
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,840
a rave. I didn't know you were a deadhead.

278
00:16:58,919 --> 00:17:07,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Ray for rasta punk, hardcore jam band anything.

279
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,920
But let's see, let's go through. Let's use the apathetic

280
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,960
approach to definitely not country.

281
00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:20,799
Speaker 1: Country and rap.

282
00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:26,519
Speaker 9: I guess, yeah, maybe some like kind of cool underground

283
00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,680
hip hop stuff, old school eighties rap and stuff like that.

284
00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,720
I like that stuff, but yeah, and uh, what would

285
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,079
either be another no go music.

286
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:42,240
Speaker 16: For you?

287
00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:43,400
Speaker 17: Uh?

288
00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:47,880
Speaker 1: For me, I'm not a huge fan of like anything

289
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:54,839
contemporary adult contemporary radio crap like like mom music like

290
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,240
Peter Setera, or like none of that.

291
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:11,839
Speaker 9: How about He's been worship No kl is the Deer Pond.

292
00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:14,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm not a huge country fan either, except for

293
00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:17,319
some of the old country like Hank Williams Junior.

294
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,400
Speaker 9: Fantastic.

295
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of stuff is cool. Countries Billy, what's

296
00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:24,279
up man? What's on your mind?

297
00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:28,839
Speaker 10: How you guys doing?

298
00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 1: Hey?

299
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,359
Speaker 4: Uh?

300
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,279
Speaker 10: Is was this meant to be some sort of religious

301
00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:37,400
uh space?

302
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an open debate on the topics of Christian Zionism, dispensationalism, Evangelicalism, Catholicism,

303
00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,440
Hebrew Roots Islam, Mormonism, you name it.

304
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,400
Speaker 10: Very soon Israel will build a third temple and they're

305
00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:01,480
gonna name Trump Messiah. He is the anti Christ, Trump's

306
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,000
anti Elon Musk is the false prophet.

307
00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 9: Okay, that's what Grox said.

308
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,039
Speaker 1: I typed in, Yeah, exactly, make.

309
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,599
Speaker 9: A prophecy that Grock is going to be the Antichrist

310
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,160
that goes into the and do the abomination of desolation.

311
00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: Yes, doctor Michael, what's up? Good, I'm you, doctor Michael.

312
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,319
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

313
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 15: So I have a brother.

314
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 18: Who's Hebrew Roots Christian and uh, you know he's he

315
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,440
keeps telling me about the whole Bible, and uh he

316
00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:56,680
celebrates some of the Jewish holidays and says that you

317
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,559
must do this.

318
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 12: And so what.

319
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 18: Would your argument be to refute this, which I think is,

320
00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:08,400
you know, this Judaea sized Christianity that's that some of

321
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,480
these people are are pursuing.

322
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: Right. Well, the first thing is that two epistles were

323
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,440
written precisely to combat this this heresy, the Book of

324
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,519
Galatians and the Book of Hebrews, first and foremost, and.

325
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,319
Speaker 9: Secondly, for get two Theologians.

326
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,559
Speaker 1: There was Act fifteen the Jerusalem Council, which settled the

327
00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:31,319
issue about what is expected for gentiles who convert to

328
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,119
the Church. So all of those things are first and

329
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,839
foremost as kind of easy defeaters. But beyond that, we

330
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,759
did a whole documentary on Orthodox Shahada. My friend Lewis

331
00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,240
put together a documentary that's really good called Orthodox Christian

332
00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,200
Worship and the Old Testament, and it kind of demonstrates

333
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,359
that what these people are looking for is actually in

334
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,240
the Orthodox Church. Right, so they want to have, you know,

335
00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:55,559
Judaic pentecost services, Well, that's what the church has. We

336
00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:58,440
have pasca, we have Pentecosts. That's in the Orthodox Church. Also,

337
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,000
it's say, another easy to is the fact that the

338
00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:05,160
Jews never considered that any of these things would be

339
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,200
celebrated outside of the land. It's actually impossible to keep

340
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,880
many of these ceremonies and celebrations that are mentioned in

341
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,279
the Mosaic Law outside of the land of Israel, and

342
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,720
Jews never considered that that would be something that the

343
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:24,000
gentiles will be expected to keep, which is funny because

344
00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:27,359
they have this idea of, well, the gentiles are supposed

345
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,839
to keep the noe at Covenant. Well, that's exactly what

346
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,720
Acts fifteen looks to when they decide what's required for

347
00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,960
gentiles converting to the Church. So all these issues have

348
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:51,200
been solved in those three things. Fermando, Fernando, what's that?

349
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:53,559
Speaker 19: Hey, what's up?

350
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:53,799
Speaker 20: Jay?

351
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,519
Speaker 1: Yes, sir a J.

352
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,279
Speaker 19: So I'm a current Protestant trying to figure shit out

353
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:08,799
right now, really trying to figure my way, you know,

354
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,680
on a journey, I guess you can say. Uh kind

355
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,559
of started listening to Shamoon and I guess that was

356
00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:20,759
like the first domino to drop when I started finding

357
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,480
out that, you know, Christian Zionism was erroneous and stuff,

358
00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:27,359
and and I thought it was kind of cool that

359
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,440
what's his name Andrew Wilson kind of mentioned like that

360
00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:37,680
you should find some Christian Zionists debate because that's one

361
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,880
of the one of the doctrines.

362
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,839
Speaker 9: I think that fell.

363
00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 19: That kind of started, you know, helping me kind of

364
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,400
work through and sorting out all this stuff. And right

365
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,640
now I'm kind of in the in the closet Protestant.

366
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,759
My family still really doesn't know. My wife doesn't know.

367
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,559
Speaker 17: Uh.

368
00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:04,079
Speaker 19: I haven't really figured out a way to break it

369
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,480
to them.

370
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 9: And stuff. I had a question about.

371
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,599
Speaker 19: So you know that you were saying that a lot

372
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,000
of the promises in the nation state of Israel applying

373
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:15,680
now to the Church.

374
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul says, the sacred there is one that all

375
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,680
the promises are yea in Christ, and he means the

376
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,160
Covenant promises. So all the covenants literally point to Christ

377
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,400
and are consistent and incontinuity with the Final Covenant. With

378
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,079
Jeremiah thirty one and thirty three call the New Covenant.

379
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 19: Okay, So then so so now I've heard I've heard

380
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,359
that argument that the promises now apply to the church.

381
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:45,039
Speaker 9: And does that that also mean?

382
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,519
Speaker 1: I mean Galatian six sixteen says the church is the

383
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:49,000
Israel of.

384
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 19: God, right right, right right, and that that also means

385
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,119
the land as well. The dispute as far as the land,

386
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,359
does that mean?

387
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,799
Speaker 1: Explains that when the Jews took the land and the

388
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:04,079
Old Testament, that's a type of the Church taking the world.

389
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,640
The land is the type of the entire world and

390
00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:10,279
Romans for Paul applies that to the entire world being

391
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,279
taken over by the Church through the Gospel.

392
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:19,039
Speaker 19: So, so would you say it would be so as

393
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,920
a Christian, would we not take take sides as far

394
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240
as with like Palestinians or.

395
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: The traditional Christian position is that that land has been

396
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,119
sanctified by the Church and that's ultimately a Christian place,

397
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,400
a Christian pilgrimage site, even back to Byzantium. So that's

398
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,480
the classic Christian perspective. And at one time you had

399
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,119
a Byzantine you know, Christian government government there. But in

400
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,240
terms of the modern situation, it's difficult really to take

401
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,680
a side other than that we support the Orthodox Palestinian

402
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,079
Christians who are the minority there. But no, we don't

403
00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:01,839
take a side between Rabbinic Judaism and Hamam. John Ross,

404
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:11,799
I'm your hey, Jay, can you hear me? Yes?

405
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 21: Awesome, Hey, I I'm looking for some resources to debunks

406
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,480
at papacy and look at papal forges. So I wanted

407
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:31,599
to see if you had any recommendations.

408
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: The probably the easiest introduction book that deals with that,

409
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,519
at least in a few chapters, is Michael Welton's book

410
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,599
Two Paths. I mean, they've been brought up pretty much

411
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:51,000
in every non papal apologetic book since uh like the

412
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,160
last few hundred years. So I mean ed Guiney's book

413
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Cabalism will mention it as well, But I don't know

414
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,920
have a single book I'll tep my hand that just

415
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,720
deals with papal forgeries. But I'm sure you could easily

416
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,480
find one. But I mean most even orthodox treatments of

417
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:13,200
church history, like may endorphanm. Papadoccus's book on Medieval Church

418
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,640
and the Papacy. I mean it has a whole chapter

419
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:20,799
on the papal forgeries. But I don't have a single

420
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,640
bass to like.

421
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 9: If you have access to j store, even academia dot

422
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
edu and just type in the search engine, you might

423
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,799
be able to find some good articles.

424
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,559
Speaker 1: You know what. It would be nice, though, to find

425
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,039
like a single volume. If I'm sure there is some

426
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,039
academic single volume on the papal forgeries, there's got to

427
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:43,400
be one, because there's a bunch of them. There's like

428
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:54,960
thirty or so. Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, anybody else

429
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,920
open forum you want a hof on. We got just

430
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:05,920
Dawna here also one of the top trans apologists. Uh,

431
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,079
there's not a whole lot of Christian transapologists, but we

432
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:14,559
do have the premiere one here. If he's able to speak, no,

433
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,839
he's not able to speak dirty D wants to speak.

434
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:25,079
What's up, Dirty D?

435
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,759
Speaker 22: Hey, man, I'm good to hear you on here.

436
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 9: Bro.

437
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 22: I'm a I'm a member of AME, the AMI denomination.

438
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,079
Speaker 11: And I really I really enjoyed.

439
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: This is dark. This is dark. Hope you know that,

440
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,920
I know, I know, Okay, cool, And I.

441
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,319
Speaker 22: Really enjoyed my church and all. This is like full

442
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
circle that I'm really just thirde of debate last night.

443
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 23: Loved it.

444
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,759
Speaker 1: Man, it was hilarious. It was great.

445
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 22: This is all new to me as a Christian, as

446
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,599
a believer in Christ. This is just all new to

447
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,319
me to hear about the Orthodox Church. I've heard of

448
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:59,039
the Orthodox Church, but I didn't know the information that

449
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,279
you have have. So I'm just remaining open minded and

450
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
enjoying this. And I wanted to hear more about how

451
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:08,400
the Orthodox feels about other denominations. As AMB stands for

452
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,160
African Methodist Episcopal it's predominantly all black church.

453
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm familiar with it. I remember I think I

454
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,400
visited one one time back when I was proud of something.

455
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,279
But yeah, I would say watch a docum. There's like

456
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,640
a documentary on YouTube if you're interested, called The Icon,

457
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,279
a seven part documentary it's kind of long, but it's

458
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:31,240
a good introduction to Orthodox Church in a documentary form,

459
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200
so you might want to check something like that out.

460
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400
But I mean, I don't think like the Orthodox Church

461
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,359
doesn't immediately condemn individual people. But we do think that

462
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,640
the Orthodox Church is the true church. All right? Who

463
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240
else wants to come up open form chat? You want

464
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:49,880
to come to the top of the line, You want

465
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:56,319
to ask a question, you want to refute Tristen Haggard,

466
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,400
which by the way, is easy to do. He is

467
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,400
in the chat. He is our resident runner up e

468
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,519
deva celebrity. Tonight we have a couple of those. Tonight,

469
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:12,640
we have Father Deacon, doctor Annias, we have little aids Is.

470
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,119
He's sometimes known as he's clapping his hands together, which

471
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,559
I think means he's praying for us emoji. He's pray

472
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,839
He's doing a prey emoji for us. So we can

473
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,799
thank Tristan for praying for us. We know that his

474
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,079
prayers will be heard with certitude because it is Tristan.

475
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,279
He's not able to speak with us at this moment.

476
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,960
He is probably wrapped up in being in a mystical

477
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,839
state at the moment, so he probably he's written.

478
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 9: Already got a head start on the lent, and he's

479
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:47,720
taken a ball as silent.

480
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,279
Speaker 1: He's already raising a Black Lives Matter fist. So I

481
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,480
think he's on our side. He's an ally. We can

482
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,839
definitely kind of as an ally. I wish that he

483
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,359
could grace us with his voice, but he's not able

484
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440
to anybody else open for him. We can go back

485
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,480
to talking about grateful dead songs, we can go back

486
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:10,599
to talking about fish songs. We can go I don't,

487
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,559
I don't actually know. You know, there's that what's that one?

488
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,759
Here we go, we got we gotta, we gotta fed

489
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,160
here Agent zero zero zero, what's up fed?

490
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 11: Hello?

491
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,839
Speaker 16: Yes, sir, Hey ja, what's up?

492
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,079
Speaker 1: Man? Yes? What's the agency telling you to do tonight?

493
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 10: Oh?

494
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 16: Nothing? I actually just have a quick question. Do you

495
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,799
feel like the Israel question is kind of gets blown

496
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,279
out of proportion? Like in my in my humble opinion,

497
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,240
the transhumanists, you know, like you've all and Klaus are

498
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,359
a much bigger threat to us. What do you think

499
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:52,640
of that.

500
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: I haven't spent a whole lot of time on evangelical

501
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,920
Zionism just because it's kind of a I mean, I

502
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200
was into that stuff when I was like nineteen twenty

503
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,359
and then I kind of grew out of it. So

504
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,759
it's not as something I've thought a lot about in

505
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,640
a long time. But I don't remember what happened the

506
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
last few days. Oh it's a because we got into

507
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:17,079
the spat with a past prophet and then some other people.

508
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,440
So that's why we've talked about the past few days.

509
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,759
It's not sometime I spent a whole lot of time

510
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,200
on because it's kind of a pretty low tier issue.

511
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,799
I do think that it's a serious issue in America

512
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,480
because it dupes so many evangelicals to replace the nation

513
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,400
instead of Israel or America with the church because they

514
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,279
have no conception of like a historical church. It de

515
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,119
facto gets replaced with the Israel as the church, or

516
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,119
the Constitution is the new you know. They basically these

517
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:55,799
people worship the Constitution or they treat America as the Church.

518
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:04,839
Vain It was me, yes, sir, oh.

519
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,559
Speaker 24: So first, can do you have any Orthodox author recommendations

520
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,799
for like the modern Zionism topic?

521
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: Father a spirit On Bailey talks about it and critiques

522
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:32,039
it in his book Uh Kingdom of Satan. I think

523
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,200
Kingdom of Satan. It's supposed to be the sequel to

524
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:45,119
the surferm Roses. What you gonna call it? Yeah, I'm

525
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,000
going I'm going blank because I've been I've been talking,

526
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:51,440
says Father Bailey. Well the spirit on Bailey's book Satan,

527
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,119
and he critiques I mean, it's not just Zionism, it's

528
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:02,160
basically all the globalization institutions. Thanks, and.

529
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,079
Speaker 24: So I know you did a young guy's riz stream

530
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,279
the other day, but I have to confess to you

531
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,200
that I did what you said not to do. And

532
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,279
I freaking prese up this girl and gave her tag,

533
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,039
and she gave me her phone number.

534
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: I even have to ask.

535
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,119
Speaker 24: So that does work sometimes if anyone was asking, well, I.

536
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: Would say that, Yeah, you have to read the room, right,

537
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,640
So like good comedians read the room. They know kind

538
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,319
of from a sense of being, you know who they're around,

539
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,480
like what's gonna work on, what's not gonna work? So, yeah,

540
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,480
there could be some out of the box scenarios where

541
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,759
talking about the ology actually could you know, could do

542
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:40,480
good with a girl?

543
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,359
Speaker 24: Yeah, to be clear, I didn't like chase after this person.

544
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:50,319
If anyone's having that idea, now, she came to me, so.

545
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: It's like you're applying the second effectively. I'm proud of you.

546
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,599
So I'm also a dating coach on the side, like

547
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,119
I'm basically Will Smith in the movie Hitch. If you've

548
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,480
ever seen, that's my Will Smith. Laugh, Jamie's over, They're

549
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,559
cracking up. So the one thing I would recommend is

550
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,800
to not listen to Tristan because if he starts talking

551
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,960
about women, you're pretty much assured of being single. So

552
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,400
if you want to be single, you could listen to

553
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,199
Tristan if you want a good dating coach. In the

554
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,679
vein of you know, Hitch, it's pretty much like I'm

555
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,400
Will Smith and Tristan is like Kevin James and Hitch.

556
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,760
That's kind of the parallel I would make if you

557
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,639
want to understand you know, Riz, Mojo, etcetera. Who else?

558
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,039
And he left. I guess I had too many insults,

559
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:48,159
too much, too much below the belt activities going on

560
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,920
with my swipes and jabs. Tristan might be blocking me. Now,

561
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,880
I don't know. Let's pray that Tristan doesn't block me,

562
00:34:56,039 --> 00:35:13,280
but he may. Poka Poka hunters poke, Yeah, Hey.

563
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 25: J Dyer, Hey father NaNs. So I'm actually Oriental Christian.

564
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,519
Thank y'all for even giving me a chance to come

565
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,360
up here and talk. But I'm Oriental Christian. I was

566
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:32,880
wondering if you had any book recommendations for Oriental Orthodox Christians.

567
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the the it's a little bit of

568
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:42,239
a difficult read, but The Christological Controversy by John mcguckun

569
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,199
is probably the most relevant to this because you can't really,

570
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,480
I can't really deal with this topic apart from the theology,

571
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,079
and it does get pretty tense. I guess you.

572
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,599
Speaker 25: Could say, I'm sorry, what was it called again.

573
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,519
Speaker 1: Say, Throw of Alexander and The Christological Controversy is probably

574
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:05,039
the best book on that topic by John mcguckan. I'm

575
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,320
not recommending anything else from JOm mcguck and he's pretty bad,

576
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,039
but that book's good.

577
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 25: Okay, Well, thank you guys, God, great.

578
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:26,119
Speaker 2: Day, you too, Cruise, Sader, Hey, Jake, can you hear me, sir?

579
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 26: I was just wanted a a few questions about what

580
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,480
you said a little earlier about how American Protestants are

581
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,119
kind of longing for a historical connection, so they kind

582
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:40,480
of like attach it to.

583
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,159
Speaker 9: The modern nations.

584
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,199
Speaker 12: State of Israel is like it's.

585
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: Either America or Israel is their church and like the

586
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,400
founding fathers or like their church fathers.

587
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 26: Do you think that's also kind of emblematic of like

588
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Protestantism as a whole globally, just because I was just

589
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,639
thinking of.

590
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: A comparison.

591
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,679
Speaker 26: Of how like they used the masoretic texts instead of

592
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:05,119
the septuagen.

593
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of defaults in that direction. Yeah,

594
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,119
defaults in that direction because of the reformer's decision to

595
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,320
try to get rid of the Dudo canon by default

596
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,599
appealing to the matter of Masera etexts. But I think that, uh,

597
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:26,840
the indoctrination into evangelical dispensationalism is something pretty unique to America,

598
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,079
but I think that that has spread, you know, through

599
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:35,559
evangelical mission work to places like Africa and Latin South

600
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,119
America and even places like Ukraine. The US was funding

601
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:45,039
not just the schismatic fake Orthodox Church in the Ukraine,

602
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,800
they were also funding and promoting a bunch of charismatic groups.

603
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,480
So charismatics have been used by the State Department in

604
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,199
the CIA as well to push American soft power, and

605
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,880
a lot of times that could include with a dispensational ideology.

606
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,880
So that's probably one.

607
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,599
Speaker 26: Right perfect, And one extra question. So my family is

608
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:10,639
all Christian Zionists, grew up Baptists. Is there like a

609
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,360
good maybe avenue of like introducing because every single time

610
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,800
I talk about it, it's it's shut down immediately, as in,

611
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,480
like you know, Israel is in the Bible, and it's

612
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,000
you can't talk about this nation state of Israel and

613
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:23,039
any negative light.

614
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: Basically, well, just write down all the passages that I

615
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,599
brought up to, like goober last night, I mean, Matthew

616
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,199
twenty one, So is the Kingdom of God will be

617
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,440
taken from you and given to a nation producing the

618
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,039
frust thereof?

619
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 20: So?

620
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Gotcha?

621
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 26: And is there any is there any good books? Maybe

622
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,559
I can like show them about the history too, about

623
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,559
how rabbinical Judaism is not the fulfillment of Old Testament Christianity,

624
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,840
but Orthodox Christianity is.

625
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. The documentary that we that I just referenced here

626
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,400
by my friend lewis Christian worship in the Old Testament.

627
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,159
I'll put it underneath the chat here be the top

628
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:06,920
comment right here.

629
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 9: Perfect.

630
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: That will actually that will actually go to proving this point.

631
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 11: Perfect.

632
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that documentary, Yeah, that documentary demonstrates that the

633
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,559
temple worship and all of the animal sacrifices and all

634
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:30,400
that really is pointing to the worship in the Orthodox Church. James.

635
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,119
Speaker 27: Hello, Hey, Jay, this is James. I'm a first time listener.

636
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:47,559
I'm also a Protestant Evangelical Baptist. I just was wondering,

637
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:53,599
like I grew up with all the Israel talk and

638
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,719
end times talk, and I've seen how the world is

639
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,519
going with like all the evil that's going on, and

640
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,800
you know, the atheists are talking about overpopulation and everything,

641
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,159
and they're killing people at an unprecedented rate, and it's

642
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,159
really concerning to see. And I see those arguments for

643
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,119
end times, but I just was wanting your clarity on

644
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,440
what you see going forward for that because I don't

645
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,079
really subscribe to this anymore because it's ridiculous. I've seen

646
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,760
all the chaos that causes and people's minds when they

647
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,199
go thinking about crazy stuff about the end of the

648
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,000
world and they don't plan their own lives anymore. So

649
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,480
I'm just looking for maybe advice and things about that.

650
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:45,639
Speaker 11: Thanks, Jay.

651
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Advice about like why or what I've already forgot what

652
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:58,920
the question was. Advice about how to go about proving

653
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:03,119
that this is not true? I mean all the passages

654
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:05,519
that we talked about. So again, the Book of Galatians

655
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:09,039
the Book of Hebrews are written to refute this specific error.

656
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,920
They explicitly say that the Church is the israel God.

657
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,480
In Galatians sixteen Matthew twenty one, Jesus says in the

658
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:20,320
Parable Divine Dressers that the kingdom has taken from the

659
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,079
Jews and given to a nation producing the fruits thereof

660
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,039
which is the largely gentile Church. Doesn't mean the Jews

661
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,519
can't be part of the Church. They have to convert,

662
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,559
and there have been many famous Jewish converts to Orthodox Christianity.

663
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:37,760
So that's how we would interpret those passages. Romans eleven,

664
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,880
which says that Jews were grafted out of the Covenant

665
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,039
because of unbelief, can be grafted back in through a

666
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:47,079
belief in Christ. You see. So, I mean, the New

667
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,800
Assessmen is really abundantly clear on a lot of these passages.

668
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
So really shouldn't even be an issue to debate. Perimeter,

669
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:08,679
Get on me, perimeter. Do you want to talk again?

670
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:09,079
Speaker 20: On mute?

671
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,159
Speaker 1: Hey?

672
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 28: Jay, how's it going? Have some questions about lint? So

673
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,119
I'm a cate of human and the meat fairy Jessey obviously,

674
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,559
and so I stopped eating meat starting today, and I

675
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,440
just want to know what kind of stuff you eat.

676
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,960
I'm getting conflicting, various different informations.

677
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be mean man, but like, as

678
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,840
I point out, like we don't do diet canonical issues

679
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,440
on the open form de Bay streams. So I would

680
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,280
say take that up with your priests, as I always

681
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:57,400
do my heros. Yes, sir, Yeah.

682
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 29: I was talking to a product and friend of mine.

683
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:06,119
He's very well versed, well educated in a lifer, and

684
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,920
I had him kind of listening. He was curious about

685
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,599
the experience that I'm undergoing in learning about Orthodoxy and

686
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:22,400
becoming as a catechumen. I was talking about church tradition

687
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,159
and kind of brought up your argument of where does

688
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:30,079
he get the Bible from? And his sticking point was

689
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,480
that one way or another God would have provided him

690
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,320
and everyone with the proper books to learn from. I

691
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,159
didn't really know how to kind of continue from there,

692
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,280
which seems to be very stubborn.

693
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: Assertion, But that's just an assertion that doesn't answer the question,

694
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,679
which is, well, how do you know that you have

695
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,920
the proper books that God wants you to learn from.

696
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,320
For example, if the doodle canon is part of scripture,

697
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,920
then praying for the dead is a good thing. If

698
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,920
the doodle canon is not part of scripture, then, as

699
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,039
Luther said, there's no reason to pray for the dead.

700
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,000
So that extent of the cannon will affect what we

701
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,480
do in practice. So your friend can say all day

702
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,719
long that, well, God's going to give me the means,

703
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,119
but it's like, well, how do you know the words

704
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:12,159
of our churches and the means? Right, that's the thing

705
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,480
in question. So you can't let people just assert things.

706
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,559
You always have to say, okay, right, so and where

707
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:19,239
do you where are you getting that from? What's what's

708
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,679
the basis to believe that that's the case? Hang your head?

709
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 30: Hey jay, yes sir, Hey, well I'll say I just

710
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,840
spoke with Tristan and he said he was sorry he

711
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,519
couldn't come on and talk. He's rearranging his crystals and anticipation,

712
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,800
anticipation of the changing season. So maybe maybe when spring

713
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,719
rolls around from.

714
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he follows like the solstice or something,

715
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,639
so yeah, yeah, I'm not into the wicker stuff. He

716
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,760
can he can explain that if you can.

717
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,679
Speaker 30: I have the Copplestone about the Coppleston Frederick Coppleston thirteen

718
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,920
volume mass of set of the history of what Stern Philosophy,

719
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,800
and I was wondering, I'm kind of getting bogged down

720
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,719
in it. I was wondering, if you knew or recommended

721
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,199
a single volume overview that that you know of that

722
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,599
maybe I could read first.

723
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I think this is actually a classic problem in the

724
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,679
history of philosophical discourse. I've only ever heard philosopher men

725
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,679
complaining that there's not a single history of philosophy that's

726
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,519
any good. A lot of people criticize the Will Durrant one,

727
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,360
a lot of people criticize Persian Russells. Maybe Father Deacon

728
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,199
could point to one that he thinks is good.

729
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 9: I mean Copplison's good Will Durrant's note.

730
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: But he's but he's ayes for a single volume and

731
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,239
not a fourteen volume.

732
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 30: Yeah. I planned to work my way through it. I

733
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,800
like everybody else, I've got a shelf full of books

734
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,079
I want to read.

735
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,559
Speaker 9: And I started.

736
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 30: I started in the first volume, and I got about

737
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,639
halfway through, and I just got down on it, and

738
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,239
I just thought, maybe if I had maybe if I

739
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,880
could read a single volume.

740
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 9: Maybe world around then that might be. It's just it's

741
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,079
really how would you describe it, ja like a pop

742
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,360
It's like a pop book.

743
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,039
Speaker 1: Like I said, all I've ever heard is philosophy professors

744
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:21,920
complaining that there.

745
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,039
Speaker 9: Isn't one There really isn't. I mean, And that's the

746
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,719
problem is that if you're going to get if you're

747
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,239
gonna get like that's a massive corpus and work things

748
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,639
to cover in order to do it any justice whatsoever,

749
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,320
you're gonna need a fourteen volume set. Well, otherwise it's

750
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,519
just gonna be just kind of a pop you know.

751
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 30: Just how far up does your philosophy course cover?

752
00:46:52,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I did pre Socratics up to Nietzschean postmodernism.

753
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 30: Okay, I would probably be that would probably be a

754
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,920
better format for me, really, So maybe I'll check that out.

755
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I tried to, you know, I tried

756
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,079
to engineer it to be like the best you know,

757
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,880
single course introduction. And Father Deacon makes an appearance in that,

758
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,159
by the.

759
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 30: Way, I'm wonderful.

760
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,199
Speaker 9: All right, cool, Well, thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

761
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,159
Speaker 1: Yes, Father Deacon is there for the epistemology class.

762
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 9: I think maybe I should make a history of Philosophy book.

763
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I.

764
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,679
Speaker 9: Wanted to do the color in your Own Adventure Philosophy book.

765
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think. I think Tristan's working on

766
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,559
an introduction to Wickup book right now, so he could

767
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:51,079
probably give you some pointers on how to go about it. Tristan,

768
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:52,519
how come you don't want to speak? Are you just

769
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,639
too good for us? Or I'm confused? He's giving us

770
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,639
the style treatment, so he's like, a, I mean this,

771
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,719
crystals need to be he's ghosting, Yeah, exactly.

772
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,519
Speaker 31: I just wanted to have a bit of a more

773
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:11,440
of a throwaway question about Christian Zionism, which is just

774
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,440
like I don't I don't really see what it is

775
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:19,159
about it that is so convincing to these like certain

776
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,960
you know, like evangelical boomer demographics. Uh, and not just

777
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,639
like convincing, but they're kind of like what is it?

778
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,840
They're very like zealous and intense about it, and I

779
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,119
don't really understand why what is it about that position

780
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,760
that causes people to act that way?

781
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: And again I think that because there's not a historical connection,

782
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,039
they don't see, you know, the church that they're a

783
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:47,719
part of really grounded in anything other than this appeal

784
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,280
to uh, you know, the nation state of Israel throughout

785
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,199
the Bible, and so that for them is it's sort

786
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:54,920
of a default church history for them.

787
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,559
Speaker 9: And you have to keep in mind to the the

788
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:03,239
geopolitical influence in the manufacturing of consent among in terms

789
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,239
of politics of the American people.

790
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: That.

791
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:11,639
Speaker 9: The Schofield Bible, how that was disseminating the seminaries and

792
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,480
funding exactly like all of that is because I was

793
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,400
just the reason why I'm thinking about that is it

794
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:22,760
just did this week last week all my classes on

795
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,440
basically no Chompsky's manufacturing consent basically an institutional analysis of

796
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:33,599
propaganda and how that works through and so my mind

797
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,400
is just immediately thinking about that. That's that, well, that's

798
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,840
really easy. I mean obviously, especially with boomers and stuff

799
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,199
like that, to con you know, through a propaganda model,

800
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,039
had to actually manufacture them. So because all of that,

801
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:55,440
it's not even biological, it's all about its politics.

802
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: Well, in about this domain, I'm pretty sure it was

803
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,679
through the apture of the the Seats of Theology at

804
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,360
Dallas Theological Seminary. So that's been the hub of dispensationalism

805
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,039
in the Baptist Church for decades and decades and decades.

806
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:18,079
Speaker 9: And notice the Baptist is the largest group of Christians

807
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:23,360
in the United States, I believe, remember correctly, So you

808
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,599
would want to if you're an institution trying to kind

809
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,199
of manufacturing consent to support the state of Israel and

810
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:35,039
various you know, political things. Isn't that the exact group

811
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,599
that you wouldn want to infiltrate, right?

812
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 31: Yeah, I didn't even think about the geopolitical part of it.

813
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 13: Anyways, Thank you, guys, have a good night.

814
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge part. In fact, that's what we've

815
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,519
been talking about for the last few days. Greg, did

816
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:50,840
you want to come back and say something.

817
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 32: Yeah, So at the beginning of the stream I asked

818
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,960
above about grounding I remember, right, Yeah, So you say

819
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:03,159
God grounds the law of identity, logic, that sort of thing.

820
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,320
So you probably you may have answered this already, or

821
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,599
you may think it's a real question, But what do

822
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:09,360
you mean by God?

823
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: What is God? Exactly? I mean, specifically the orthodogic ch

824
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Christian conception of the trine God with all of his attributes,

825
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,880
particularly the personhood of God and the omnies. As an

826
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,840
example would be the means metaphysically speaking, by which those

827
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,119
categories would be grounded.

828
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 32: Could you repeat those words again, personhood?

829
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, In other words, God is personal and not impersonal,

830
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,239
meaning that there's intentionality and purpose to his actions and

831
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,159
his creation. It's not meaningless, it's not disteleological, it's purposive,

832
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
and that's connected to God being personal. And then the

833
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,880
other attributes like being omniscient and omnipresent, would would relate

834
00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:01,000
to how something like a law of identity could be universal, immaterial, invariant,

835
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,880
and apply at all times because it's grounded in the

836
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,519
mind of God.

837
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,599
Speaker 32: So you call this the Orthodox conception of God?

838
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: Correct?

839
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 32: Okay, I'd be able to find a definition of this

840
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,559
somewhere if I if I wanted to.

841
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying the Orthodox trinity, like the Orthodox

842
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,559
doctrin that not the Roman Catholic doctrine of the trinity,

843
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,079
but rather the Orthodox monarchical trinitarian view. Okay, a lot

844
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:31,119
of a lot of words being precise. The reason I'm

845
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:32,719
using those terms is to be precise.

846
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 32: Right, I did ask you to be precise Orthodox monarch

847
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:46,000
cheo trinity. Yes, okay, Okay, I'll look into these things.

848
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,639
Thank you for your time, Jay, Sure, Jose.

849
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: Here it was.

850
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 33: So the regarding the previous question of why people or

851
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,320
evangelicals are persuaded but Sianism, I can provide some insight

852
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,639
at least on what I what I saw growing up

853
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:21,000
in evangelical who you know, believe in all this Scianism.

854
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:26,559
So something interesting kind of related to prosperity Gospel kind

855
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,000
of like Joe Osteine where you kind of it's kind

856
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,360
of like transactional Christianity where everything you do is for

857
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,440
like your own you know, uh profit, like even financial

858
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,239
profit or well being, Like, oh, I worship God so

859
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,000
he can bless me with with money and stuff, which

860
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,840
is pretty huge in evangelical Christianity. So something I heard.

861
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: That a good point. There is a connection between the

862
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,480
prosperity gospel and a lot of this dispensational stuff. Yeah.

863
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 33: Yeah, something I heard growing up very adamantly was we

864
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,559
pray for Israel and we send money to Israel so

865
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,280
we can be benefited monetarily.

866
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: And because they think they don't understand the Church, they're

867
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,519
missing the entire history of Christianity as the church, which

868
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:14,280
is the Israel.

869
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 9: I just realized when you're saying that it's literary. It's

870
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,559
literally belief in magic. If I do this certain thing,

871
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,559
I'll get this. And how crazy is that?

872
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't think, Well, that's the thing, that's the Yeah,

873
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,639
that's the word of faith, you know. Kenneth Cope and

874
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:31,119
BENI had.

875
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 9: It's total occultic magic. Yeah wow.

876
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

877
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 33: And their basis for this that I heard, they argue

878
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,360
from some texts on the eutronomy and I think Malacai

879
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,280
as well, when they say, oh uh, those nations who

880
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,840
bless you Israel will be blessed, and those who curse

881
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,559
you Israel will be cursed as well. So they say, oh,

882
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,639
therefore we must send money to Israel so we could

883
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,760
be blessed, which is like a very we.

884
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: They're missing the fact that Israel is a type of

885
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,480
the Church. So type moves to fulfillment. The type doesn't

886
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:19,280
continue on for forever when the fulfillment comes common sense. Hello, Jake, Yes, sir?

887
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,559
Speaker 34: All right, Jay, how you doing great?

888
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,559
Speaker 9: Talking with you? I'll like keep it short.

889
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 34: I wanted to jump on, but I was driving, so

890
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,679
was I just wanted to say it was I met

891
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,039
you last year when you were in LA and wanted

892
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:35,719
to say that was a great evening. I'd encourage anyone

893
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,079
who is interested in all the other topics you cover

894
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,440
to to check that out. Are you planning on coming

895
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,239
back to southern California this year or next door?

896
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean imagine that sometime we'll come back. I don't

897
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,440
know specifically.

898
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 34: When, though, that was That was a great night. So

899
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,920
thank you real quick. Just what the last person was

900
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,519
saying is so true. That being uh, you know, Christian

901
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:07,079
evangelical circles the Boomer generation, my parents and myself even

902
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,679
till you know, a few years ago. It's literally, you

903
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:14,239
know what we're taught, people follow it blindly. It's like

904
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,440
a spell that's on all these people.

905
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I was trought the same stuff as

906
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,480
a as an evangelical group.

907
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 34: And they don't really know any better. My mom, the

908
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,119
first time I brought it up and started talking to

909
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,199
her about it, you know, she started crying as if

910
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,039
I was, you know, going to hell for it. And

911
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,199
now after you know, showing her, I don't know if

912
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,719
you pruit like the movie or not, but it works

913
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,119
on a lot of Christians as marching design. I show

914
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:41,880
it to a lot of Christians and it's you know,

915
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:45,639
I don't agree with everything about all the pastors in it,

916
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,920
but it goes point by point and for Protestants and

917
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,599
Evangelicals it's a good thing. I mean, my parents now

918
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,280
left a church over that because they were bringing it

919
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,840
up so much in Bible studies, and my mom and

920
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,239
Daubt were speaking out against it. Now after just you know,

921
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,360
two years, so there's a way to wake up.

922
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:09,159
Speaker 1: And I've not actually watched this. You said it's a

923
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:14,559
documentary called Marching Design. Yeah, I'll have to check that.

924
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,840
I'm guessing it's a critique of evangelical Zionism.

925
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 34: Correct, it's it's on YouTube or you.

926
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,239
Speaker 9: I mean, I have it on my page too. You

927
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:23,039
can look at it there.

928
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,599
Speaker 34: I've replied to Greg Locke and all the craziness he's

929
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,159
been saying the last few days, so you can find

930
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:30,880
it on there.

931
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,599
Speaker 1: Because yeah, well all of these people are paid.

932
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 34: So yeah, I mean, could I ask you and the father.

933
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,880
I'm in southern California.

934
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,559
Speaker 9: I've looked up.

935
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:45,119
Speaker 34: I'm Protestant missionary kid growing up, but listening to you

936
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,960
and what not, very interested and I think that you know,

937
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,519
been being led to dig deeper into Orthodoxy. And I've

938
00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:59,280
looked up online and there's you know, Russian Orthodox and

939
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,920
all these different in the area. Do you have one

940
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,159
that you'd recommend in southern California, like Orange County, South

941
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:07,440
Orange County area.

942
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,639
Speaker 9: That's where I moved from. I lived there about four

943
00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:20,679
years ago. Okay, So especially where you're coming from, i'd recommend,

944
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,880
like your background, I'd recommend Saint Barnabas and Coast Basic California. Okay,

945
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,840
if that's not too far. I'm trying to think South County.

946
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,559
It's just right off the four or five and by, yeah,

947
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:42,239
right right by it's Harbor in the four or five. Basically,

948
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:50,400
let's St. Barnabas. Yeah, because that church was formed out

949
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:56,480
of kind of like Evangelicals, and it's Orthodox, but you

950
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:58,280
feel familiar, you know what I mean. It's from me.

951
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,159
It's not as jarring as right.

952
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,239
Speaker 34: Well, my background is French, so I mean I've had

953
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,239
Catholic in my background, so I mean, and I enjoy

954
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,239
the you.

955
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:11,079
Speaker 9: Know, Okay, I mean so good. I'm trying to think too,

956
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,719
as far as South.

957
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 34: I'm not for this, you know, the I'm trying to

958
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,719
get away from that.

959
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 9: Okay. Well, I mean, I'm just saying if you came

960
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,639
from that, but I could pick it out.

961
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,519
Speaker 34: If you recommend it, I'll go check it out.

962
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 9: That's where I was baptized. But I served in a

963
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:33,480
really ethnic parish. Uh all Romanian parish and Anaheim. But

964
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,760
I'm trying to think South County. There's a Serbian parish

965
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:48,360
down there. There's a good parish. There's a Serbian parish

966
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:56,639
and a Russian parish in uh. And what's the Irvine

967
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:00,880
and then what's the lake Forest? So that closer to.

968
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,719
Speaker 34: You, Okay, so Saint Barnabas and then the other one

969
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,760
is the coast to Mesa.

970
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 9: And then Father Blosco's parish. I'm trying to remember it's

971
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,079
like Holy Protection or something like that. I can't remember.

972
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:20,119
It's a Serbian parish, it's in Irvine.

973
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,079
Speaker 34: Yeah, that's you said, it's father what's his name?

974
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Bloso, let me the parish name is real quick.

975
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,159
These are people that I know really well and that

976
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,159
like I can recommend, like as far as the priests, uh,

977
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:37,440
let's see.

978
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:39,679
Speaker 12: I have I have a lot of questions.

979
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 34: I'm still working through things, so I just want somewhere

980
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,840
that's kind of open to you know, let's see.

981
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:57,199
Speaker 9: And then there's a Russian Orthodox Church in uh in

982
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Lake Forest. St. Barbara's my godfather goes there, so you

983
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:06,280
need to, you know, get connected. He to help you out,

984
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:08,320
all right.

985
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,079
Speaker 12: So say.

986
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:20,679
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, appreciate that journey. Go ahead, Prime minister,

987
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:23,599
Prime Minister, I'm you.

988
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:26,159
Speaker 9: Hey, how you guys doing.

989
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:27,119
Speaker 15: What's up?

990
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,559
Speaker 35: I don't know if this is the right place to

991
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:35,519
bring this up, but I'm a Protestant, kind of grew

992
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:39,840
up my whole life Protestant. My father's a pastor, and uh,

993
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,960
I've just felt really kind of like confused about the

994
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,559
whole Protestant reform. And I really feel that God has

995
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:52,679
called me to the to the Orthodoxy in a way.

996
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 9: And I I just.

997
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,639
Speaker 35: Joined the space maybe like five minutes ago, but I

998
01:01:56,639 --> 01:01:59,000
saw that you guys were talking about Orthodoxy, and you

999
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:01,519
guys have a father, and here I was wondering if

1000
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:04,039
I can maybe ask a couple of questions in regards

1001
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:06,079
to Orthodoxy.

1002
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 1: Sure.

1003
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:13,199
Speaker 35: So I've been attending an Orthodox church for a little

1004
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:19,119
while now, and I know that God is calling me there,

1005
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,719
but I'm just a little confused on the tradition and

1006
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,920
how things work, and uh, just the different denominations within

1007
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:33,239
orthodox You're a little confusing mainly, I understand that Christ

1008
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,559
came for everybody, but the Eucharist and purgatory are just

1009
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:41,400
very like confusing topics. So I don't know if you have.

1010
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,599
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church doesn't teach purgatory, but we believe in the

1011
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,960
real presence of Christ and the Eucharist. So I would say,

1012
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,000
if you want a good Orthodox book to read to

1013
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:53,119
get an introduction to those topics as you're attending, check

1014
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:58,960
out the book Orthodox Dogmatic Theology from Palmazansky. Palmazansky is

1015
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:11,679
what you want to look at. What's up? I'm mute, beam,

1016
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:18,039
you're gonna immune? Are you there?

1017
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:19,159
Speaker 11: Oh?

1018
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: Hello?

1019
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 9: Hear me? Yeah?

1020
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,079
Speaker 36: I was gonna ask you what would you response be

1021
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,400
to the youth frow dilemma? Because I was having a

1022
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,840
discussion with the classman. I guess he was trying to

1023
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,360
bring up that point. My response was that he's I guess,

1024
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,920
creating this false dichotomy, like where you can't separate goodness

1025
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,480
from God.

1026
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's based on an assumption of Hellenic

1027
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:47,159
metaphysics too, that the good is the one that you

1028
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:51,400
can't have distinctions, you know, the essenceentery distinction would be

1029
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,719
something that our metaphysics posits that's different from Greek metaphysics.

1030
01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:11,639
Speaker 23: Fernando Fernando, hey Man, sorry about that, Jay, I was

1031
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,639
just wanting to kind of see it, just emphasize, like

1032
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,559
how how important for for me it was when.

1033
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,599
Speaker 9: When the whole doctrine of.

1034
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 19: Christian Zionism fell for me like it was, it was freaking,

1035
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,000
like mind blowing. I tried to tell my wife about it,

1036
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,719
and she was like, why is that such a big deal.

1037
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:37,800
She didn't really see like how explosive it was. But

1038
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,480
I know you mentioned it, like how it's like low tier.

1039
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:49,119
But man, I was wanting to kind of I think

1040
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:52,119
the I think the connection with with with Protestants is

1041
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:58,840
like the connection with end Time's prophecy and like the Jews,

1042
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:03,400
uh connection with that because I know our pastor would

1043
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,559
our pastor would say like that whenever he would talk

1044
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,519
about revelation and antimes prophecy, like our our attendants would

1045
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:11,519
like skyrocket.

1046
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's obsessed with that stuff because it's it's sensationalist

1047
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,960
and it's, oh, you know, dragons flying around in heaven.

1048
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,960
I remember the seventy Avenue Church here in my town.

1049
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,079
They used to put out these prophecy flyers for their conferences,

1050
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,159
and one of the flyers actually had like they actually

1051
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:31,760
thought there would be dragons flying around in space in

1052
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,960
the times.

1053
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 9: I just kind of idea you should do, you know how,

1054
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,400
you just sports fool take. You should do like.

1055
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: A procy dragons. Yeah, that would be funny, like like

1056
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,159
the book Revelations as a comic book like Avengers or

1057
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,400
something where you know, Robert Downey Junr. Is going to

1058
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:58,519
fight like dragons coming out of portal helicopter dragons. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1059
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,800
I mean that's why preterism is a sho a valuable

1060
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,440
force to destroy all this nonsense, because if preterism is true,

1061
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,880
all this evangelical nonsense goes out the window. Because those

1062
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,079
prophecies in Luke twenty one Matthew twenty four book Revelation

1063
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,880
are in the historical grammatical historical reference referring to the

1064
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,480
destruction of the Temple in seventy eight D. Plus they're

1065
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:23,280
powerful proofs of the validity of the New Testament, which

1066
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,000
these idiot evangelicals destroy one of their biggest proofs that

1067
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,599
the Gospels are legitimate, because they're predicting what happened in

1068
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:32,440
seventy eight D. And all these goobers push all that

1069
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:45,159
to the end of the world. Roger, Hey, Jake, can

1070
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:45,480
you hear me?

1071
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 11: Yes, sir? Cool.

1072
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, So I was just wondering, since your Christian hitch,

1073
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,559
you know, what would be your most orthodox pick up

1074
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:57,519
line and then have a follow up question.

1075
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't make orthodoxy part of a pickup one. That

1076
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,599
was kind of what I argued to my video.

1077
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:11,719
Speaker 17: Oh fair enough, Yeah, okay, I guess I won't ask

1078
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,440
you if it hurt when you fell from heaven then anyway.

1079
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,079
Speaker 1: I guess that that sounds like a definitely like a

1080
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:23,039
Protestant evangelical pickup one for sure.

1081
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:24,519
Speaker 9: Fair enough.

1082
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 17: Yeah. I really enjoyed your debate yesterday with Misfit. It

1083
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:32,000
was kind of crazy watching him talk it like, I

1084
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,440
don't know, I guess he thinks that like Catholicism is

1085
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,719
some sort of ethnicity. He was making this claim that like,

1086
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,559
since his parents were Catholic, that he much more enjoyed

1087
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:45,119
his non denomn church over Catholicism. He even called like

1088
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:46,519
the Catholic Church embarrassing.

1089
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: So it's kind of christ And Tristan told me that

1090
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,880
today I quit following that guy as soon as I

1091
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,559
booted him from the room, but Tristan said today that

1092
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:57,519
he was like admitting, oh, yeah, I don't really care

1093
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,960
about Catholicism. I just said I was Catholic, but I'm not.

1094
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:05,519
So basically it was lying, uh yeah. Yeah.

1095
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 17: He crashed out pretty pretty bad today on X was

1096
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,440
kind of kind of embarrassing to watch.

1097
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,319
Speaker 1: But he also lied about his notes, remember.

1098
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 9: The he broke his vowel silence there. He also lied

1099
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,439
about his notes.

1100
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 37: He claimed that he had notes that he goes, oh, yeah,

1101
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,800
I got some notes that I took, and then he

1102
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,520
starts reading some sort of chat GPT generated slop and

1103
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,520
he thinks he's actually reading scripture, but he's quoting summaries

1104
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,640
of evangelical terrible exegesis of Daniels, and then he goes

1105
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,800
and then Jay calls him out. Jay calls him out,

1106
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,000
and then he goes, oh, well, actually I think you misunderstood.

1107
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:53,359
Speaker 1: This is someone else's notes named Grock.

1108
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 9: Oh I thought the Bible, but it was really the Necronomicicon. Sorry,

1109
01:08:58,079 --> 01:08:59,439
he was reading.

1110
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:03,399
Speaker 38: Thinks pretty sure that he I'm pretty sure he claimed

1111
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:05,760
that he was he was directly quoting it, and Jay

1112
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,760
kind of interrupted him to point out, like, no, this

1113
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,359
is not these are not quotes, and he kept going,

1114
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:09,680
He's like.

1115
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: No, this is just this is the scriptures.

1116
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 17: That's what the AI and Saints stands for.

1117
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:20,279
Speaker 1: Yes, you're correct, AI and Saints stands for for that.

1118
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,079
Now people have been saying, I don't know anything about

1119
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:24,960
this dude, but apparently all the there's a bunch of

1120
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,920
background lore to this guy that I had no idea.

1121
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,000
He had like an actual fist fight with Bryson.

1122
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 38: If you say that, they basically.

1123
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: They basically fall over in the gravel and just kind

1124
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,560
of like roll over on each other and then Bryson

1125
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:46,520
punches him. Watching that guy nuts and then Bryson called

1126
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:47,680
the fight. Bryce is like.

1127
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 6: He he got up and ran away.

1128
01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that was crazy, but well, I mean

1129
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,399
they're both just clowns. I mean it's like two peas

1130
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:08,199
in a pod there between then two Savio.

1131
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 39: I was watching your YouTube channel the other day and

1132
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,239
I saw that you were having discussions or you had

1133
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:21,359
a debate, which your naturalist atheist professor. My question is like,

1134
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,119
do you have any of your debates like prior to

1135
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:26,119
you being on YouTube recorded.

1136
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,520
Speaker 1: No, man, there would have been no reason to record

1137
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,399
a debate back in two thousand and five. Okay, my bad, Sorry,

1138
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,880
I mean it would have been interesting, but I basically

1139
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,800
just argued this basic presup. He was an atheist materialist professor.

1140
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,960
He was my philosophy science professor. Forget his name, but

1141
01:10:52,960 --> 01:11:02,560
sincere hypocrite, Yes, sir.

1142
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 12: Your debates against atheists, and I've noticed a lot of

1143
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,640
them come with like Protestant priests oppositions like solid scripture.

1144
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: That's a good insight actually, that most atheists are reacting

1145
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,399
to weird Protestant theology sture.

1146
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,199
Speaker 12: Yes, sir, I was just wondering why do the atheists

1147
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,560
do that a lot? Like is it just because a

1148
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,680
lot of asists come from Protestants?

1149
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:39,520
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I would say, so, okay, just another question.

1150
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 12: So in mark Mark seven, I think where Jesus heals

1151
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,600
the death Man, Jesus says to like, not tell anyone,

1152
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:54,359
but they do tell others that Jesus healed them. So

1153
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,600
is this disobedience like a good thing or a bad thing?

1154
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: Well, I guess if he disobeyed, it wouldn't be a good.

1155
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:10,199
Speaker 12: Thing, right, But there's many verses like that where Jesus

1156
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:15,359
heals and he explicitly says don't tell anyone, But yet

1157
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,239
they'll tell people. So why is that something that happens often?

1158
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,399
Speaker 1: I think that he just had an intention for certain

1159
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,520
things being kept secret until the work of redemption had

1160
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,960
been complete. And that's why he says, I have many

1161
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,880
things to say to you, Like to the apostles, he says,

1162
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,359
I have many things to say to you, but you

1163
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:40,039
cannot yet bear them. But you know, he says, like

1164
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:43,079
when the Holy Spirit comes, then you'll be able to

1165
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:44,800
deal with it. You'll be able to remember what I

1166
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,680
taught you. So I would assume that it's in anticipation

1167
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:52,600
of Pentecost.

1168
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,199
Speaker 12: Okay, that makes sense, thank you.

1169
01:12:56,319 --> 01:13:15,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually a good question. What's hey, Jake?

1170
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 12: Can you hear me?

1171
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, hey man, just a quick question.

1172
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:22,520
Speaker 40: I'm sure you've talked about this a million times, and

1173
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,920
I've just started getting into Christianity and philosophy and all

1174
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:27,199
of that.

1175
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 9: But I have some you know.

1176
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,119
Speaker 40: Non denominational and Protestant.

1177
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 41: Friends and stuff like that, and all of them focus

1178
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,039
on you know, they're kind of just hyper individualists, I

1179
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,560
guess where you know, they just only want to focus

1180
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,600
on the you know, quote unquote relationship with.

1181
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 40: God and that's all important and all that. But how

1182
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,000
do you kind of approach it from the Orthodox perspective?

1183
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in the New Testament, we're taught in

1184
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,119
any places, like in Ephesians, that were members of a

1185
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:02,239
of a corporate body, of an institution, one Lord, one faith,

1186
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:04,880
one body, one baptism. So there's no such thing as this,

1187
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,199
you know, individualized situation. It doesn't really exist. I'm not

1188
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:13,079
saying that that means they're in bad faith, but they're

1189
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,920
excluding all of these other aspects of the New Testament

1190
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,680
that say that we do have to be involved in,

1191
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,000
say the corporate worship of the church. Right, So Paul

1192
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,399
says not to forsake the assembling together, you know, and

1193
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,399
when you read all these epistles, it's pretty clear that

1194
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,159
Paul expects that you're going to be going to and

1195
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:33,880
attending the divine liturgy. So, for example, the things that

1196
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,359
we're that we're told to do is to eat his

1197
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,680
blood and drink excuse me, eat his flesh and drink

1198
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,720
his blood to abide him in John six. Right, And

1199
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,760
so how are you doing that on your own if

1200
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,279
you're not attending the divine liturgy?

1201
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 40: Absolutely perfect, Thanks so much, Jack.

1202
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you look at you know, Hebrews eleven.

1203
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,640
If you look at Revelation, you know five or nine.

1204
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,000
The liturgical worship of the Church is the liturgical worship

1205
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,760
ship in heaven, and it's a corporate, collective, universal thing.

1206
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 11: Piccolo here, can you hear me? Yes, I had a

1207
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:16,600
I had a quick question. So I'm a I'm a

1208
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,079
catech human, but I recently had this thought and it's

1209
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:27,840
it's about Catholicism. So okay, So when it so you

1210
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,760
you would agree in that the the main reason we

1211
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,600
have icons is too to pick the incarnation of Christ, right.

1212
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:39,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's the root of iconography. But I mean the

1213
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:42,520
icons also picture the other saints and their windows into heaven.

1214
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 11: Okay, because because I know I believe it was the

1215
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:53,239
sixth Ecumenical Council where they where It's where they pretty

1216
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:56,840
much said you can't depict the Father, right it's.

1217
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: The seventh seventh, Yeah, I think, But I think Trollo

1218
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,520
might mention it too. So I think Trello and the

1219
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,439
Southern the Council mention it explicitly, and then it's reaffirmed

1220
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,439
in other places. But yeah, we're not supposed to engage.

1221
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:13,079
The exception to that is like the ancient of days.

1222
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:16,399
But beyond that, no, we don't depict the hypostasis of

1223
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:16,760
the Father.

1224
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know in the I want

1225
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:21,920
to say, it's in the ro Corps building in New York.

1226
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,199
They have they have an icon of the Father, but

1227
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,680
it's uncanonical. But but that that, that's besides the.

1228
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,039
Speaker 1: Point it has. Yeah, this so this is not always

1229
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,439
strictly adhered to. I would argue it ought to be.

1230
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,800
But like it's not gonna it's not like oh the

1231
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,760
well the church is, you know, doesn't count anymore. They

1232
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:45,159
they're they're canceled. I mean, people don't always follow the counts,

1233
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,920
and a lot of people don't don't do it knowingly either.

1234
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 11: Okay, Yeah, the point, the point that I was trying

1235
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,039
to make.

1236
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: Was also, by the way, hold on one point, there

1237
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,960
is that there are exceptions to that, one of them

1238
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:01,640
being the Ancient of days. So and I don't know

1239
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,520
which are you talking about the one in San Francisco

1240
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,479
where Saint John's relics are? Oh?

1241
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,399
Speaker 11: No, I was, I was, I was refered.

1242
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, excuse me out, no, wait, where's uh,

1243
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,279
where's Saint John's relic that's San Francisco.

1244
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 11: Right, I'm I'm actually not sure. I was referring to

1245
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,560
the one in uh in New York.

1246
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking, l Ah, we've been

1247
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,840
to the Rock Cork Cathedral in West Coast l A.

1248
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,159
Or where I'm all mixed up. I can't you remember. Oh,

1249
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,880
but I didn't think that there was an image of

1250
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,439
the Father there. But there could be, and I'm just

1251
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,319
not aware of it. So you're talking about ro Corp

1252
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,319
Cathedral in New York. What's it called?

1253
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:48,279
Speaker 11: Uh, I'm I'm the name. The name escapes me at

1254
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:50,520
the moment. I just I just remember, I just remember

1255
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:51,000
seeing it.

1256
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,520
Speaker 1: Uh is it the ancient of days or you don't know.

1257
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:00,279
Speaker 11: I'm not entirely sure, but uh.

1258
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,159
Speaker 1: Well, that is that that is an acceptable image of

1259
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:03,000
the Father. If it's the ancient days, that is what

1260
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,520
I'm saying. So, yeah, that's the one exception.

1261
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, I guess.

1262
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:07,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1263
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 11: The point that I was trying to make was if

1264
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:13,039
if the if the Catholics to pict the Father in

1265
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:17,039
the in their iconography, aren't they in a way saying

1266
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:21,560
that that, uh, that the Father was incarnate.

1267
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:29,399
Speaker 1: That's exactly the argument of the Moscow iconsent not correct. Okay.

1268
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 11: And then and then uh one. One more question.

1269
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: So, by the way, it is uh St. It's Holy

1270
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,319
Virgin Cathedral in San Francisco is what I was thinking of,

1271
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,920
where we visited several years ago. Okay, Holy Vision Cathedral.

1272
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 11: Okay, that's good to have. Other question, so, do you

1273
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:55,560
have any good book recommendations on like deconstructing Calvinism.

1274
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you read uh St, cir Ol

1275
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:03,359
and Alexander their Christological controversy, that will deconstruct Calvinism because

1276
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,840
Christology really undoes it.

1277
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 42: Christopher, Hello, hey, Jay, what's up? I was actually on

1278
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,560
earlier and I thought you were going to get off.

1279
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,119
That was like maybe an hour and a half or

1280
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:27,680
two of those. I'm glad you're still on.

1281
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: Well, I was every time I'm about to quit, then

1282
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,399
people pile in.

1283
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 42: So okay, well, I wanted to just share a quick

1284
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,560
horror story about Christian Zionism.

1285
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:40,039
Speaker 9: If that's okay.

1286
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

1287
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 42: So in my last church that I was in, it

1288
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,840
was a charismatic church and we had a speaker com

1289
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:54,079
who was a quote unquote prophet, and he came and

1290
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:59,520
just started preaching and was letting everybody know about U

1291
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:04,840
over seventh and how Israel was just conducting.

1292
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: All of the air you're cutting out.

1293
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,119
Speaker 9: I can't hear I'm sorry, can you hear me out?

1294
01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, go ahead, me out Okay.

1295
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 42: So the prophet was saying to everybody that while Israel

1296
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,520
was conducting its uh I guess raids or air raids

1297
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,960
or the bombing stuff. Uh, this guy said that it

1298
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,840
doesn't matter if you agree with it or if you think.

1299
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,239
Speaker 9: It's right or whatever you think.

1300
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:36,359
Speaker 42: If it's if you think it's wrong or anything, you

1301
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,359
have to agree with Net and Yahoo. You have to

1302
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,479
pray for Net and Yahoo and for their success. And

1303
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,600
then also during the offering time.

1304
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: This is crazy. So basically now the new pope is

1305
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,760
not not Yah. So we have an infallible pope of

1306
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,239
the churche. It's Pope BB.

1307
01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:59,159
Speaker 42: I mean.

1308
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 20: I was uh.

1309
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 42: I was sitting in there like like on, I was

1310
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,239
like looking around, and I mean people were just.

1311
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 9: Like hey man, hallelujah.

1312
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,239
Speaker 42: And another thing too though, when the uh when the

1313
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:15,880
offering time came, you know, sometimes they'll have like flag

1314
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,680
flag people that wave flags and stuff like that. They

1315
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,760
had uh Israeli flags. They were waving Israeli flags like

1316
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:30,359
higher than anything else in the in the church, and

1317
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:35,479
I just to me, that was such a clear depiction

1318
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,000
of like the deception and how how how deep it runs.

1319
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 1: It's I don't know what your problem is. Clearly the

1320
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,600
New Testament says that Yahoo is the head of the church.

1321
01:21:49,640 --> 01:22:11,000
Simple gospel, Simple gospel. Have to unmute simple gospel. Do

1322
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:24,279
you want to talk? You have to unmute Anglo?

1323
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 4: Oh hi?

1324
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:28,399
Speaker 1: Yes?

1325
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 20: Uh So how's your day good?

1326
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:33,359
Speaker 1: What's something?

1327
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 2: So?

1328
01:22:35,079 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 43: I just wanted to I just wanted to bring in

1329
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,760
a question right quick. And it's a question about the

1330
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,880
philiok way. So I wanted to propose to you this

1331
01:22:46,079 --> 01:22:46,960
question right quick.

1332
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:51,039
Speaker 20: So where do you think that the Eastern Orthodox view

1333
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,520
of an issue like the philiog way might be?

1334
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,159
Speaker 44: Intellect like we like like we flawed in this sense

1335
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:05,920
that like if you if like if if the Holy

1336
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,760
Spirit only comes from the Father, would that relegate the

1337
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,079
son to some type of lesser divine of forty Because

1338
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:20,039
we know that through the Trinity, the Holy Spirit is

1339
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,640
like is of God and stuff.

1340
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,319
Speaker 20: So we're talking about the three persons sharing the same

1341
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:30,800
divine essence. How does the Holy Spirit not come from

1342
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,800
the son unless the son has some type of lesser

1343
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:36,840
like divine of forty and so in that sense, I

1344
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:37,920
don't know.

1345
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: So this argument is hinging on the idea that to

1346
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:48,039
lack a hypostatic property would necessitate ontological uh diminished status.

1347
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:50,720
But that would mean that the Holy Spirit has a

1348
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,439
ontologically diminished status because he doesn't produce a person. So

1349
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,159
if the argument is that the son must produce a

1350
01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:00,479
person to have equality with the Father, is to confuse

1351
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:06,840
hypostatic properties with natural attributes. So any natural common attribute

1352
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:11,600
is what all three share. Any hypostatic property is unique

1353
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,239
to that single soul hypostasis because it's what picks that

1354
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:19,840
hypostasis out. So Bezil says, for example, the Father alone

1355
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,119
is cause in the trinity. That's why the son cannot

1356
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:27,680
take on cause, because that would make it a father

1357
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,680
son duality with a diminished status Holy Spirit who does

1358
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:33,680
not produce a person.

1359
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 44: Oh oh okay, yeah, I think that's all I really

1360
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,520
have to say.

1361
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,239
Speaker 1: Have a good one, thank you, And you know, check

1362
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:50,239
out the cappaditions on that, because they're pretty consistent that

1363
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,760
the Father does not in any way share his role

1364
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:06,439
as cause or arcade or films grant hello, hear me, yes, sir,

1365
01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:07,800
hey uh.

1366
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,119
Speaker 13: One of the one of the main things that I've

1367
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:15,119
struggled with coming from Catholicism is the concept of economia,

1368
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:20,960
you know, with the legalistic presuppositions and stuff of the West.

1369
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:24,760
And I was wondering if you have any like book

1370
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,000
recommendations or anything on that.

1371
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: I don't know about a book on it. Well, like

1372
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,640
if you watch like if you watch Ubi Patriss's documentaries,

1373
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,239
he gives a lot of good examples as to why

1374
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:42,000
there's you know, reason for flexibility in the canons.

1375
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 13: Okay, do you know about is are there any like

1376
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,720
examples from the Church Fathers that I could read, like

1377
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,359
like from you know.

1378
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:54,239
Speaker 1: Because because in Ubi's documentaries he cites a lot of

1379
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:58,880
canonical like on the if you watching the Divorce Remarriage documentary,

1380
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,079
he did, Okay, lot of a lot of that deals

1381
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:04,399
with Patristic quotations. Okay, that's that's all I really had,

1382
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,399
thanks man. Yeah, that's a good question. Also, the Canons

1383
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:11,119
of Saint Basil are pretty obviously like not the modern

1384
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,399
Roman Catholic position, yet Rome accepted the Canons of Basil

1385
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:20,560
from many centuries. Okay, last couple questions here, I'm getting

1386
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:21,159
kind of worn out.

1387
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,039
Speaker 30: Oh here we are, can you hear me, yes, sir,

1388
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,399
Hey you mentioned DTS earlier when that guy was talking

1389
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:33,920
about the air that a lot of evangelicals make specifically

1390
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,000
with Israel, when they're talking about those who bless Israel.

1391
01:26:37,079 --> 01:26:39,079
We bless those who curse Israel will be cursed. And

1392
01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:43,960
that comes from something that was I heard ad nauseum

1393
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,359
from my preaching professors and throw in.

1394
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:49,119
Speaker 1: Something really quick the refuse that very easily. If you

1395
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,399
read Revelation two and three, when Jesus talks to the

1396
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:56,039
seven churches of Asia minors through through John right when

1397
01:26:56,079 --> 01:26:59,880
John writes those letters, you'll notice the blessings and cursings

1398
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:05,079
model is applied to the church, and that means that

1399
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:07,600
the church that is the inheritor of the blessings and

1400
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,399
the cursings covenant, the old right no longer the type.

1401
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 30: The interesting thing about it was so I lived on

1402
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,960
the campus of DTS for a while, and I wasn't

1403
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,479
a student there. I was a student at another school

1404
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,560
that shared married housing. But I got to be a

1405
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,680
part of all the little seminars and stuff that was

1406
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:32,399
going on, and in the side the campus was kind

1407
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,960
of split in the professors where they were there was

1408
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:40,760
like the old guard who were you know, old school dispensationless.

1409
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,119
And then there were the other guys who were trying

1410
01:27:43,159 --> 01:27:45,600
to publish papers at SBL and stuff and kind of

1411
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,680
were secret kind of progressives that they had to.

1412
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:49,399
Speaker 1: Be quiet about.

1413
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 30: And all of my friends who we were trying to

1414
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,279
get papers published at SBL too, we liked those guys,

1415
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,720
and they kind of poo pooed that interpretation of kind

1416
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:04,000
of the classic evangelic way of thinking about Israel, the

1417
01:28:04,039 --> 01:28:07,319
way they do for a different way to interpret things

1418
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:10,479
like that's not what the Jews who wrote it thought,

1419
01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:15,079
And it all comes back to like, well, the meaning

1420
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,439
of the text is in what the meaning the jew

1421
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,520
who wrote it thought it meant. And so the classic,

1422
01:28:22,319 --> 01:28:25,960
the classic like example that I was taught was in

1423
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:29,720
the beginning of Genesis, that's not the Trinity because they

1424
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,399
would have no concept of the Trinity, and therefore that's

1425
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:33,640
a later delp.

1426
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,199
Speaker 1: That's exactly that's exactly where it would lead into like

1427
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,520
you know, humanitarian horn type and nonsense.

1428
01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 30: Yeah, and it's funny because it's kind of the same

1429
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,479
words just mean what they say and say what they mean, and.

1430
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: The academic that's why they don't believe in typology.

1431
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 30: Yeah, the academic type still rely on that, but they

1432
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,560
think that they're above it by saying, well, that's not

1433
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,600
what I know what the Jew actually thought?

1434
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,279
Speaker 9: Who wrote this?

1435
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 30: Because I've read bah blah blah.

1436
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: I was just they're committing the very mistake that Paul

1437
01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:06,039
talks about when he says that they follow the letter

1438
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:06,840
and not the spirit.

1439
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 45: Interesting, all right, thanks, yeah, uh, last comment and we'll

1440
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:19,439
close it up.

1441
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Jose get on mute because that you want to talk

1442
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:53,800
good on mute. All right, Well, I don't see anybody else.

1443
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,359
Thank you, guys, a lot of fun tonight.

1444
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 9: It was fun man. Thanks having on us.

1445
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: Thank you for hopping on and helping out tonight. I'll

1446
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:02,119
go out a goodnight