WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.239 Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It is pop and 2 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:20.079 Bravo Thursday. It's Thursday. You guys have a special treat 3 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:24.079 for you today. Are you guys fans of ninety sitcoms? 4 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.719 I am, even though I was maybe too old for it, 5 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.120 but I have Christy Laken, is Stacy Keenan today that 6 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.560 you're the child stars of step by Step. They have 7 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.960 a podcast called Keenan and Lake and give You de 8 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:38.880 Ja Vous where they recap step by Step, which is 9 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:41.159 a great idea. I'm loving these recap shows that we're 10 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.640 getting lately, So welcome Christine and Stacy. 11 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:48.359 Oh my gosh, Mary Pain, thank you so much for 12 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.640 having us. I am if you knew what a huge 13 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:54.039 and longtime fan I am of yours. I was just thinking, 14 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.000 I've been listening for so long. I don't know if 15 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.000 I can say I'm a Day one bunkie, but I 16 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.039 was listening back when you had that, said Mary Payne 17 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.760 in the streets Aaron and the Sheeks. I think they 18 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.000 were flip flops and one said one and the one 19 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.079 said the other, which I thought. 20 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.280 I love that Merched, I love it so funny. 21 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.799 That is so nice. Now listen, I when you reached 22 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:17.359 out to me, and I've told this on the show. 23 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.159 You came at me with an alias that went into 24 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:23.599 the folder that comes in where like the people are 25 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.159 trying to offer you sex work like that's amazing, yes, 26 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.879 and I go okay, And then you explained who you were, 27 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.239 and I was like, okay, why are you so undercover? 28 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.359 Because look, Christine's here right and she's got her full 29 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.959 Instagram name loud and proud. 30 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.599 I don't know how to do Instagram. I think you're 31 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.920 the first person that I ever DMD And I felt 32 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.719 like I was going to get arrested, like I don't 33 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:47.400 really know how. 34 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:47.640 To do it. 35 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.680 I didn't know what was going to happen. I don't 36 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:51.719 know what you're seeing on your end. So I just 37 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.519 but I had to take a shot because I'm just 38 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:54.239 such a big fan. 39 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.799 That is so funny. Well, it did go into my 40 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.680 porn folder, and usually I just go through it and 41 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.040 click them all and hit delete. But I was like, well, 42 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:05.799 and then I read the first line. I was like, Okay, 43 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.560 this person used my name, so they must not be 44 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.960 trying to sell me sex services. So well, I'm glad 45 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.960 I did. Yes, I'm glad I did it, and I. 46 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.280 Know it's Mary Payne. Of course, not Mary. I get 47 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.639 so mad, like all the other listeners, when anyone calls 48 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:20.599 you Mary on the show, I'm outraged. 49 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.599 I appreciate the outrage on my behalf. I really do. 50 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.759 I really did. I really do, because when it's so 51 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.240 funny when I go to Mississippi, I don't get it. 52 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.360 I just say Mary Pain and people say Mary Payne. 53 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.080 I just met a guy here I'm in at Baldhead 54 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.199 right now, and I said, you know, I'm Mary pay 55 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.639 blah blah blah, and he goes, oh, Mary Pain, it's 56 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:42.520 so nice to meet you. He just immediately said it. 57 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:44.479 And then he said I was talking about my son 58 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.680 who goes to Ole, miss He goes, oh, my cousin 59 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:49.680 or so and so goes there. Her name is Mary Payton. 60 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.680 And I was like, of course it is so because, 61 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:54.919 like I said, my best friend growing up I was 62 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.080 Mary Preston. So I was like, yeah, okay, I get it. 63 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.479 I get it. So yeah, listen, don't be outraged my behalf. 64 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.879 Sometimes people they're a little Yankee and they just can't 65 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.599 get it. And even if I explain it, they still 66 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.000 can't get it. And that's okay, that's okay. 67 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.560 Well, Christina is from Georgia. She gets it also. 68 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.120 So totally get it. I knew many a friend that 69 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.840 had a double name. You know, Mary Grace was a 70 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.319 big one. Mary Grace from very Gray. That's a good one. Yeah. 71 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.639 When you put that last name as the middle, that's 72 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.639 when it gets a little murky with people. They get 73 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.319 a little confused, and I just have to explain. It's 74 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.719 like Ellie May Billy Bob. I make it sound real 75 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:36.120 country and then they get it. Okay. So I want 76 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.719 to hear the history of you two and your friendship. 77 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.560 So you were on this show. Now, how old were 78 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.520 you when you were on Step by Step? 79 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.599 I started when I was twelve, Okay. 80 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.680 I was I think fifteen when we did the pilot 81 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.319 in sixteen when the show started. 82 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.840 Oh okay, so I didn't realize. I guess, were you 83 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.840 playing fifteen and twelve? Yeah? 84 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.360 Pretty much? Yeah, so it was like. 85 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.840 Seven and nine or anything like that. 86 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:09.479 No, although I usually always played younger because I've just 87 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.120 been very small and short my whole life. So but 88 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.120 I very even if I wasn't exactly twelve, like I 89 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.120 looked pretty tiny in that pilot I might have been 90 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:21.800 playing ten. Eventually I kind of caught up to my 91 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:24.959 own age, I feel, yeah, yeah, But in the beginning, 92 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.000 you know, Stacy, she was already a teenager. That's a 93 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.800 big difference when you're twelve and sixteen. Yeah, but I 94 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:33.879 of course looked up to her. I had watched My 95 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.000 Two Dads. I was such a fan of Step by Step, 96 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:41.120 I mean, of TGIF and all of it, and so 97 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.199 getting on the show. I had been working in Atlanta 98 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.759 as a as a child actor, and that was just 99 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.759 I mean, it was a huge, huge experience and really 100 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:51.560 really fun. 101 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.519 And you just like moved to la and you're like, 102 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:54.240 now I'm a star. 103 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.240 Not really, I mean, we stayed in Atlanta, I came out, 104 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.279 I auditioned, and we didn't really think any thing was 105 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:01.920 going to come from it. It was more of just 106 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.360 like the experience and the fun. And then when I 107 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.439 got the show and then the show went, it was 108 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.639 definitely like, oh God, Okay, well what do we do now? 109 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.319 But yeah, someone tells you, like, it may not go, 110 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.360 it may not go more than a year, don't uproot 111 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.600 your life. So my mom and I came out and 112 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.439 we just rented in an apartment rented everything, lived in 113 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:23.680 corporate housing, and I still went back to my school 114 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.800 in Atlanta and thought, pretty much, that's kind of what 115 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:28.839 we did for the next seven years. 116 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.199 Oh really, And so what about you, Stacey, What was 117 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.639 your story with getting on the show, and did you 118 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.120 do the same thing or did you play at roots 119 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.240 or were you already in La No. 120 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:40.920 I started acting when I was four. 121 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.199 That was back in Philadelphia, and then we were just 122 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.079 doing local stuff, commercials and Grant my sister. 123 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.279 And I, and then we got an agent in New York. 124 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.079 We started taking the train up to New York two 125 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.399 times a week, three times a week, four times a week, 126 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.720 until we finally just moved to New York, my mom 127 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.680 and my sister and I and then I, my sister 128 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:01.160 and I just did a ton of. 129 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:01.800 Work in New York. 130 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.079 We did voiceover, we did jingles, we did theater, we 131 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.480 did television, we did everything. But then the good stuff 132 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.959 was always happening in La. The good parts were always 133 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.000 going to the kid in La. 134 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.199 So we came out. 135 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.360 For pilot season, but really we had already decided that 136 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.199 we were moving there. So we came out for pilot season, 137 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.920 and that pilot season, I booked my two dads and 138 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.800 then I did. My two dads did another show for 139 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.879 the same producers that produced Steff by Step, another show 140 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.639 right after my two dads ended. That only lasted for 141 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.399 a year before that got canceled. And then they offered 142 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:36.319 me the part on Step by Steff, which I think 143 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.040 is maybe the only time I've ever been offered. 144 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:44.439 The part that is wild. So I'm interested in the 145 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.680 whole thing. Because of course, I'm sure lots of people 146 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.879 have asked you about Quiet on the set the documentary 147 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.800 that came out, and so were you guys, maybe at 148 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.000 least Dacy, maybe you were like, well, I don't know, 149 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.079 because you were on TV before that, what was your 150 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.199 experience with that? Did you watch it and did you 151 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:05.360 feel that that represented your experience as like a child star? 152 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.319 For me, it didn't in terms of Step by Step. 153 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.560 You know, we've on our podcast, we've talked a lot 154 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.399 about that experience. It was such a really it actually 155 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:17.839 was a family environment. 156 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.120 You know, people say that a lot about their show. 157 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.839 Our show really was truly like that. It was just 158 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:25.800 the nicest people the. 159 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.680 Top down, you know, including Patrick Duffie and Susanne Summers 160 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.439 and just everyone involved, so I didn't have that experience 161 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.759 on Step by Step in other industry experiences, the documentary 162 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:42.839 definitely rang true to me. I definitely recognized, you know, 163 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.519 there's just something about being a kid in the industry 164 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:50.560 that attracts certain creepy people, whether it's a photographer or 165 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.879 whoever it is. That element felt unfortunately familiar to me, 166 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.240 but not from Step by Step. 167 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.680 And how about you, Christine, did you feel that you 168 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.879 had dealt with some creepy people as well? 169 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.399 You know, step by Step was really my first big, 170 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.360 big job, and everything else I had done from that 171 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.079 point prior was in Atlanta and was really like a 172 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.480 commercial here and a commercial there. I mean, I had 173 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.199 a very idyllic experience as a kid. As I got 174 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.639 into my twenties and I continued acting, Yeah, there were 175 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.560 all kinds of stories like, you know, this director wants 176 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.040 to see you for this part, but he's staying at 177 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.480 the Chateau Marmont and You're going to have your audition 178 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.120 in his hotel room. And I'm like that's not normal. 179 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.159 And You're like, no, sir, mister Weinstein, No, sir, don't 180 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.159 think I'm going there. 181 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.480 But okay, you know, just and I think more than that. 182 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:47.960 Even it's just like the expectation that you would almost 183 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.279 forego any kind of rational thought in order to get 184 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.559 a job. And I feel like so many times that 185 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.080 that experience of if you worked in a bank, would 186 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:00.840 this be the thing you would do to go and 187 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.559 interview for this job? No, of course not would you 188 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.600 be asked to do these things, you know, behind closed doors. 189 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:08.639 But this is how what everybody else is doing to 190 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.080 get this job. And I think that like a lot 191 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.279 of times, those expectations of what the industry, you know, 192 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.559 this is what they demand of you to know that 193 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.840 you're right for the part. Just it almost I feel 194 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.879 like it almost a lot of young women, especially just 195 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.919 let all their inhibitions and actually rational thinking go by 196 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.039 the wayside. And there was not a lot of people 197 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.720 to protect you at that time. People weren't talking about 198 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.279 things the way they talk about it now. People definitely 199 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.440 you know, agents, managers, like you were really on your own, 200 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.879 so no one was walking you into the room. It's 201 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.639 not like you were a kid and your parent was 202 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:48.759 with you at the audition. 203 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.000 Weird can you think of that now? Though you think 204 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.679 about like a like a twelve year old, you would 205 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:56.519 you if it was your twelve year old, you were 206 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.159 like constantly with them. But it does seem like, especially 207 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.759 from the documentary and hearing you guys talk about it, 208 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.480 it was just sort of like go and do it. 209 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.320 It just seems like things are so different now, and 210 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.720 maybe it's not. Maybe it's exactly the same, and that 211 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.720 it's just more hidden. Like I have no idea, but 212 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.639 it seems like more and more of these things are 213 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.080 getting exposed, which can only be good for child actors 214 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.120 coming up, right, because so many of them you just 215 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.879 I mean look good like Lindsay Lohan who did pull 216 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.720 it together, But you have so many young people like 217 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:29.200 Britney Spears or Justin Bieber that had just grew up 218 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.320 too fast, I think, or had people really not looking 219 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.399 out for them, looking at them as like a money maker, 220 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:33.679 you know. 221 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.879 And I think it's twofold, right, so I think, yeah, 222 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.200 that stuff probably still goes on. I think it's more 223 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.519 exposed as now, but back then even now, like a 224 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.960 lot the other part of it, it depended on who 225 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.519 your parents were. Do they have the time and energy 226 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.480 to be with you and not be at a full 227 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.399 time job and just make their life your career. And 228 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.360 to what end, you know, is it because they're just 229 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.559 supporting you or is it because they suddenly see you 230 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:04.639 as the the ticket to you know, fame and fortune. 231 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.559 I mean, thinking of that is weird. 232 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:08.919 Did y'all read Jeanette McCarty's book. 233 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:14.360 Yes, yeah, it sounded trigering. I love I loved it. 234 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:18.039 It was heartbreaking, but I also I loved how at 235 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:20.559 truths ball I think she was about it. 236 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.559 Yeah, Jeanette mccurty, guys, if you don't know, wrote a 237 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.559 really great book called I'm Glad my Mom Died Yeah, 238 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.159 and which is like rough, but you know what, it 239 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.759 was really attention grabbing and it got a lot of press. 240 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.360 And then I am also like too old for the 241 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:38.080 shows that she. 242 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:38.799 Was on. 243 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:45.559 Cat and Kat and Nat, Cat and Nat. Is that 244 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.279 what it was? Because then she was on Ariana Grande 245 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.480 that was a spin off or Vice versa. But it 246 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.960 was all a Nickelodeon situation. And my kids were sort 247 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.480 of in that sweet spot of they were sort of 248 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.159 Dora the Explorer at that time, you know, so they 249 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.480 didn't quite watch those Nickelodeon shows, and I forbid them 250 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.480 to watch Hannah Montana for some reason. That was the 251 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:07.799 that was like, this is the hell I'm dying on. 252 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.480 You can't watch Hannah Montana, Yeah, because I thought they 253 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.639 were just too sassy to the parents. You know, it 254 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.440 didn't help they became sassy anyway. But but I think 255 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.440 it was in that time, so I didn't quite know 256 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.279 who she was. So I was coming at it from 257 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:24.919 just like she was a complete stranger to me in 258 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.759 that book. And that was a great book, great book. 259 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:30.679 That was a great book. So all right, well we'll 260 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.320 move off of that terrible subject. So your show step 261 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.480 by Step ran for seven seasons, like that's a long time. 262 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.639 It's a long time. Yeah, yeah, and now today's age. 263 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:45.600 Yeah yeah, we really, we really grew up on that show. 264 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.080 And that's really what a. 265 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.000 Lot of our podcast is about, is talking about growing 266 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:53.519 up in the nineties in front of a camera on TV. 267 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.840 Mm hmm yeah yeah, now, okay, now tell me. I 268 00:12:57.879 --> 00:12:59.600 was looking at the time frame and when step by 269 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.879 Step came out, it was literally right after Dallas ran 270 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.360 off the air and Patrick Duffy, who I saw was 271 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.039 on your show this past week or so. I mean 272 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:10.960 that was I was like, oh my god, Like, you know, 273 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:12.600 I was of the age where I thought he was 274 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.000 so hot. So he was coming right off the theme 275 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.840 of Dallas right into that show, and of course Susanne 276 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:24.600 Summers icon. I mean, how could it go wrong? I 277 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.360 mean with these two people on the show, right. 278 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.000 I mean, I think it was. Yeah, it was definitely. 279 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.519 It was definitely for those producers. You know, they were 280 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.720 no novices to television. Tom Miller and Bob Boyette were 281 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.120 TV giants already. They had done Happy Days, la Vernon, 282 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.799 Shirley Mork and Mindy all of basically almost every show 283 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.399 that ran on TGIF. So they really, you know, had 284 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.759 a knack, like a golden touch for putting casts together 285 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.440 and putting shows together. So I think getting Patrick Duffy, 286 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.360 who had been desperate to do comedy. Nobody knew him 287 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:04.159 as a comedy performer and nobody thought he could do comedy. 288 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.960 And I said, how did you get that role? Like 289 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.519 how did they know to? I mean, you're Patrick Duffy, 290 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:14.080 but you had never done a sitcom. He had them 291 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.200 send over the gag reels of Dallas. 292 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.320 Oh smart. 293 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.240 That was how he sort of convinced everybody that he 294 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.200 could do it, and he really wanted That's like a 295 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.360 direction he'd really wanted to go in for a long time. 296 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:30.240 So I think having those two together already on the show, 297 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.639 it voted very well for the start of it. 298 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.679 And Susan, Susan and Summers. I just got to ask 299 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.120 you about her. She seemed like such a genuine person. 300 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.679 She was like so rich with that QBC money. 301 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.039 True, yes, true, Yeah. 302 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.840 She was a great business person, brilliant business person, so 303 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.559 savvy and smart and ahead of her time in. 304 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:55.440 So many ways. 305 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.200 She she did not have a diva bone in her body, 306 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:00.799 and neither does Patrick Duffie. 307 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:04.399 So you know it, I'm sure maybe some of those 308 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:05.120 producers who. 309 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.159 Didn't know them were afraid, oh god, you know, we're 310 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.440 going to bring these two in and they're gonna it's 311 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.840 going to be a diva off, you know, between the 312 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:12.799 two of them, and it was. 313 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:13.879 The complete opposite. 314 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.080 They're both they both were just so easy going and 315 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:23.120 funny and just sweet truly. 316 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:25.720 But yeah, Suzanne was. 317 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.200 Just just incredible, just so so glamorous, you know, and 318 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.799 the icon that she was, but at the same time 319 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.639 just goofy and so sweet to all of us kids 320 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:38.639 and so welcoming. 321 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:39.879 She was very maternal. 322 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.559 Actually, she had a very nurturing way about her, and 323 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.480 she had her own kind of way of talking to 324 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.559 each of us, you know, according to our age and 325 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.080 what we were up to. So she and I and 326 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.879 Angela Watson we would always be talking about you know, 327 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.279 she would call them our shallow conversations because we were 328 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.279 always talking about a certain lift liner and what shoes 329 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.639 we were trying to get and clothes. You know, she 330 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.840 just she found a way to connect to all of 331 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:06.000 us individually. 332 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.080 Even though there were one hundred kids on that show, 333 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.120 she still managed to do. 334 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.440 Now, Okay, this roused me. I want to ask you 335 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.480 guys to give me I need for both of you, 336 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.360 your best and your worst Hollywood story, Like give me 337 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.879 like a like a I Love, I Love like a 338 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.960 brush with fame kind of a story. So give me 339 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:24.799 give me your best and your worst. And if you 340 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:26.759 don't want to say the prepl's names are the worst, 341 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.320 you don't have to. But I'll try to guess anyway. 342 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:31.960 Okay, So wait, I'm just well, let me clarify when 343 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.919 you stay brushed with fames? So do you mean experiences 344 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:36.559 an experience with a celebrity? 345 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.279 Yeah, just anything. It could be on a set, like 346 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.320 something personally, something you were working on or it give 347 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.559 me like you ran into them at the grocery store. 348 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.639 Well, I've talked about when I was a kid. 349 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.399 I got to go on to the set of a 350 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.039 few Good Men and I got to meet Tom Cruise 351 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.559 and Kevin Bacon and to me more it's kind of 352 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.120 best and worse all in one because they were all 353 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:04.559 wearing the uniforms, they were in full wardrobe, because they 354 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.920 were they were shooting, you know. I went my step 355 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:10.799 tutor took knew somebody over there and took me over 356 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:11.160 to the. 357 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:12.440 Sound stage and I got to meet them all. 358 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.640 So that was kind of best because they were all 359 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.119 exactly like you would want them to be, you know 360 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.839 Tom Cruise, which was well, hello, nice to meet you. 361 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:21.960 You know, just look you. 362 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.880 In the eye, just so just impressive. And then I 363 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.400 also got to meet Jack Nicholson, who was my idol 364 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.640 and at that time was I just thought he was 365 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.119 the best actor who had ever lived. He's what I 366 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.400 aspired to be in terms of acting ability someday. 367 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.839 And he also was very impressive. 368 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.799 He had the uniform on and everything, but he was 369 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:42.759 also pretty drunk. 370 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.720 What what he was drunk on set? 371 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.680 Yes, So I mean and I was maybe thirteen or fourteen, 372 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:52.960 but even I could tell. 373 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:56.599 What was he supposed to be drunk in the scene 374 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.359 and it was method acting or he was like, hey, 375 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.559 I'm done shooting for the day. Let's tie. I went on, No, 376 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:02.680 it was the morning. 377 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.480 I'm pretty strict. They were about to do some big 378 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.880 courtroom scene. You know, you can't handle the truth or whatever? 379 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:14.119 Yeah, yeah, wow, well that is crazy. And Tom Cruise, 380 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.839 he didn't try to recruit you to scientology, did he. 381 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:17.720 He didn't have a chance. 382 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.759 It was a brief interaction, you know, he you know, 383 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.920 it was just a hello. It was just a nice 384 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.079 hello and a little small talk and then and then 385 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.039 moving on. And then years later I saw Jack Nicholson 386 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.359 at a strip club in Atlanta with his sunglasses on iconic, 387 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.079 just standing up dancing in a full circle of naked 388 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.559 ladies that were all dancing around, And I thought. 389 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.680 Jack is in his this is he's in his element 390 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.480 right now. He looked very happy. 391 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:49.240 Now. I don't want to know why you were in 392 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.640 a strip club with naked ladies, that's your own business, 393 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.440 but it must have been It must have been a 394 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.279 pretty high end one. If Jack Nicholson was there. 395 00:18:58.359 --> 00:18:59.519 It was gorgeous. You know. 396 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.559 I with some friends for the Olympics when it was 397 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.119 in Atlanta, and they wanted to go, and they were 398 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.319 saying how fabulous the strip clubs were in Atlanta, and 399 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.079 I don't think I had ever been to a strip club, 400 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.119 and I was completely down, and yeah, the. 401 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.119