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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsiko's I Am Dana Velly coming at

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you with the One, the Only, the indallible, the Certified man, fabulous,

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mister Grant Hues. We're finally on to our awards show.

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So we got to see every single regular season yet.

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Well I don't watch that well, so I didn't see

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any regular season yet.

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Speaker 2: But the regular season is over.

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Speaker 1: These are our final awards picks. We are not trying

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to predict who will win, although we'll probably get into

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some of that somewhere about. We think player X will

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be announced as the winner. We also another reason to

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join our discord. The link is in the YouTube podcast description.

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A few of you asked that we would do made

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up awards, and I think that might actually be a

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fun show next year if we have more time to

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prepare for it. But our discord members sended a bunch

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of different fake award categories.

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Speaker 2: We picked some of our favorites.

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Speaker 1: We will go through those at the end, and if

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there's time, we will get into some of the breaking

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news items that have happened around the league and then

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be on the lookout for. As of now, the plan

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is no super concrete promises. We will have our playoff

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previews up in time for the game ones that begin

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this coming Saturday, before we belly flop into our final

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Award talk Talk of the season, Grant, how are you

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doing well?

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Speaker 3: The two topics are related because I texted you ten

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minutes before we came on and started recording and told

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you I had changed my MVP choice, and so I'm

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going through it. I don't like tell me if you well,

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we'll get to it, but like just real quickly, like

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you agonize over these probably more than I do. And

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first and I went into this thinking like this isn't

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that important, just like don't consume a lot of like

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other people's picks and just go with what you think

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is right, like trust the numbers, trust gut, trust your whatever.

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And like even with like half the league being ineligible

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for everything, I still was just like, oh, I changed

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so many picks so many times that I don't feel

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great about almost any of it.

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Speaker 1: So I went about it by filling out because we're

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doing this so much later, I filled out my initial

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ballot and then I listened and read things only situations

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where and I kind of forced myself not to change anything.

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You do know, I was slip flopping on Rookie of

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the Year is what I found the toughest MVP, of course,

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and I've struggled a lot over the meaning of most

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improved Player, and I think like I've kind of finally

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settled on what i want my criteria to be.

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Speaker 2: But it's you. You just you agonize over it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just, what did the League office say when

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you message them to ask if you could change your

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MVP pick after the votes were doing. They're like you,

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They're like, you filled out the spreadsheet and then you

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sat on it for four days, didn't you, and then

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you readdressed it and you're like, who even made these picks?

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Speaker 3: And I said, that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's not make this we Well, I guess we'll be. Well,

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I'll make us contentious with one. I'll get mad at

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you for something, but hopefully let us know your awards

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picks in the comments if you're watching this on YouTube

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or in our discord. As usual, though, we were just

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going to get off and running MVP. We have the

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same We actually have the almost we have the same

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top four. So I'll just throw the top four out there.

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Speaker 2: You'll catch it.

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Speaker 1: One Shay it to Tatam at three, Yannis at four.

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We each have different we'll get into. I think the

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debate Grant correct me if I'm wrong. I think people

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have been caught up whether it should be Shay or Jokic,

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and I ended up being of the mind that I

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really do think and I believe this that you could

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choose anyone and be correct, and so I defaulted here too.

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I think Jokic is the best player in the world.

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I think that he's more indispensable to the Nuggets, and

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that's not Shay's fault because I think he's better than

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Speaker 2: That ended up being my differentiator here this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I had Shae at number one an MVP,

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which I did for almost a week, probably after really

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spent I think most of the year we just had Jokic,

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both of us did. I flipped to Shae because I

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found myself and I'm sort of gonna make the case

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for Shae even though I picked Jokic. We'll circle back,

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I guess, but like we need to. We're gonna need

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to burn some calories on this, I think, because it

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is sort of the biggest part of the awards season

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and has been the biggest part of the discourse all year.

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you don't have to like talk yourself out of any

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of what he did as like somehow not consequential or

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somehow it's just easier to look at Jokic's case and say, like, well,

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his team wasn't as good as Shay's. Okay, there's there's one,

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and like the catch alls are pretty close, and in fact,

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Shay's got the edge, and I think more than more

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than most. Like if you just pile up all the

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alphabet soup stuff, I think Shay probably has I know

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he does an EPM. I think he's got him in Lebron.

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minus and stuff like that seems to love Jokic. Don't

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know what to do with that, but like, Okay, if

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that's close to a wash, Shay's team was exceptional. He's

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a better defensive player at the thing he's asked to

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do than Jokic's And it's just kind of like and

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then you get to like, well, what would Shay have

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needed to do to win MVP If he's not going

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to win it this year, and it's like, because you

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just can't have a guard, like sort of can't have

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a better season than this. It's almost impossible, like all

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the all the best since Michael Jordan in what nineteen

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eighty seven or whatever, like all this crazy stuff. So

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and then I agreed the whole time that Jokic is

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the best player in the world. I was looking at

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this season and that's what was making me go with Shay.

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the Nuggets offense is better with Jokic on the floor

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than the Thunders is with Shay on the floor. Shay

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has better supporting talent. I think, certainly defensively, I don't

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think Shay's role on defense is as important as the

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one Jokic plays. Shae Guard's the fourth or fifth best

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guy a lot of the time. I'm not knocking him.

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I'm just like, this is what circled me back, and

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I just I really got fixated on this last thing,

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and I'll throw it to you because I still am

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wrestling with it. I'm very convinced that if Jokic had

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not won multiple MVPs in the past and we had

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just parachuted into this season and you looked at his

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numbers and you watched him play this season, you would say,

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this is the greatest season anyone's ever had. You'd like,

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averaging triple doubles just like can shoot three, like can

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nothing he can't do, Like this is an insanely dominant season.

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And I hate the voter fatigue thing, but I I

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feel it. I'm feeling it for real, because I think

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if you took me and said, just look at these

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two seasons, pretend one guy hasn't basically been doing this

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for half, like almost a decade, I would say, like, well,

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the guy averaging a triple double and insane efficiency and

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playing center, I would be like, that's just better. And

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so I think I had to check myself and like

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really admit that the fact that Jokic has been this

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great for a long time, it like made me not

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appreciate that, in fact, he's even greater now, and that

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like felt unfair. So I pivoted all the way back

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around to Jokic, and like, if you pick Shay, you didn't,

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but the general you like, I get it, Like I

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got nothing for you.

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Speaker 1: And there's that's it. I never felt the voter for

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tigue seeping into me, and I don't know if it

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actually like I get the argument about, like are we

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appreciating what Jokic is doing because of like that voter

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for Tagus in the back of your mind, the Thunder

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having this season, there's all this drama in Denver. And

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just to add to Shay's case, two things that stood

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out is, yes, he has better talent around him, but

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when you look at the half court creation talent around him, hm,

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it's in the fifth percentile. Collectively, his teammates were in

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the fifth percentile of half court creation, even Jokic's teammates

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were like in the high thirties. It's like, that's a

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huge lift from Shay. And this still speaks the Thunder's

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roster construction. Grant, They're only three teams. This is per

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b Ball Index that lost more value to injuries this

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year than the Thunder.

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Speaker 3: That's a wild number. I've seen that a couple different

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places for it, Like, how is that possible?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, kudos to Sam pressI for building your stross,

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the players for developing the way that they have, Like

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hell yeah. But I think that that might be the

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most pervasive argument here is that if you were just

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to kind of chopper into this season and look at

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it without knowing Yokic had won multiple MVP Awards already.

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Is would you still vote for Shane? And I actually

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think more people would still vote for Shae because of

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how much value And I really do believe it. It

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depends on your interpretation of value. Is No, I'm not

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basing this and maybe in years past I did. On

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the on off splits, look at how much it swings

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with Jokic and like the offensive on off splits with

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Shay are pretty fucking insane too, But like that is

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part of the value to me, like other people might be,

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like he's on a team that flirted with almost seventy

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games and they dealt with these injuries and like that

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anecdotal stuff is certainly part of it. When it's this close, though,

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I'm gonna default towards And I think the argument against

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my logic to it to where I think that it's

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close is do you think that Jokic is incapable of playing?

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so dependent on him that it actually does them a disservice?

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Speaker 3: I think it's actually opposite. I think if you put even, yeah,

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even better talent around him, he would be even more

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positively impactful. Like he's he's the ultimate. Like there's no

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there's no set of talent you could put around him

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that you'd be like, I don't know if that's gonna work.

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around him, the better the whole thing gets. Because he's

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purely an additive player.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I don't and I haven't

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seen voter fatigue thrown around a lot. I think a

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lot of people preemptively scold people for it, but I

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do think it just exists. Like I think the way

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you framed it was was the best. And if you,

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if anyone takes the stance, if this is your argument

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for why we're wrong, that it's Shay's turn, or that

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Jokic already did this, or that it's just the thunder

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one this many games, I can't stress this enough. That

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does more of a disservice to Shay than it does

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to Jokic. It's not Shay if Shay is gonna win it,

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by the way, So what me Grant are saying right now.

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It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He's

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going to win it. He deserves to win it. There

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are two players who deserve to win MVP this year,

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So you need to splay hairs. But don't for and

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this is again maybe I'm yelling at cloud straw Man

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argument whatever, don't for a minute frame this as like, well,

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it's Shay's turn, because Shay is so much better than

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it just being his turn. If it's his turn, it's

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because he went and grabbed the award from Yokic, which

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he might have. And I thought, I don't know how

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much I struggled with how much I wait because it's

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not Shaye's fault that he has better talent around him,

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and it's not I looked at Yokic this season was

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even more amazed that he basically kept the dysfunction in

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Denver going right because he's papering over it by being

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it's like, Okay, you if you if you're gonna we

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clearly the vibes in Denver have been bad all year

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you know, none of that poisons him, if anything. Like

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level with this amount of consistency over this much volume,

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with what's going on like front office coaching, like the

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whole deal. Like that's that does like that is a

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credit to him, I think. And it's like, well, that's

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unfair because Shay happens to be in like a high

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functioning organization and like he didn't have the opportunity to

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prove he That's not to say he couldn't have, like

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you know, had the same kind of positive impact on

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a negative situation, but like, I don't know, Jokic deserves that.

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it's not it's not a zero, right, And I.

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Speaker 1: Do think it's fair when it matters, when it's this

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close to where it's like, well, where would the Bucks

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be if you ripped Giannis off their team? This season,

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like it's just it's different, like when you're talking about

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it at this level. I think we've kind of covered

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the bases. On one, they're both spectacular. Shay is going

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to win, deserves to win. Either one of these guys

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should win.

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Speaker 2: Tatum.

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Speaker 1: We both have Tatum at three and you Honis at four.

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I came very close. We both have had Giannis at

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three at various points this year. I came close to

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changing it back to just the playmaking since the Dame injury,

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and you factor in the mid range improvement. I really

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just feel like we're at the point where Jason Tatum

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is underappreciated. And I never thought I'd say this about

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a nineteen year old, but just why can't we like this.

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He's always playing, he's really good on defense, he's really

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good on offense. I do think the two things that

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probably work against him is he hasn't proved as a

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playmaker a great deal over the past three years. But

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because he never has like the jokicch assists or the

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Donchic assist numbers steadily, that works against him.

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Speaker 2: And then kind of just the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this was what I struggled with

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when I was looking at Shaye and Jokic. Do you

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ever watch I think even Lebron at his peak, Maybe

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not Lebron at his peak, but like trying to a

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good example, Tatum is the example where you could tell

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they're having an off night. And then with Shaye and

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Jokicic's well, I feel like they had an off night.

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still just filled it. Yeah, So Tatum can have those

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weird where it feels like seven of eighteen nights or something,

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the point where it's I don't know that there's a

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more well rounded player in the NBA right now than Jao.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna use the word complete, and I think

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it's sort of like what I said about Jokic, where

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Tatum is additive, full stop. Jannie is like Jannis is great.

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I don't even know why we're like we're gonna say

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Yannis isn't like historically great, because he is, and he's

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playing about as well as he's ever played, with the

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exception maybe of some of the defensive stuff. Even that,

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it's not like he's a negative anything close to that.

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I think if you had to make some distinction, it

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would be like, yeah, Yannis is still kind of like

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slightly harder to build around than Tatum. You have to

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change a few things. But that's also just an acknowledgement

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that Tatum is like the ideal player to build around,

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Like he just Okay, what are you sacrificing by having

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Tatum on the flick? Nothing? He's just everything works however

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you structure it around him.

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Speaker 1: At five, I had Evan Mobley where I just feel

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like his season has almost been under like I see

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people put Donovan Mitchell in this spot, which is kind

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of wild when you think about like two players, like

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you could debate with a straight face, like do they

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belong on First Team All NBA or Top five and

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MVP voting. I recognize that Mobley doesn't fill the box

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score and like as a scorer as much. Almost every

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aspect of his game is better. He's tripled his three

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point volume basically on like an attempt basis been pretty

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efficient doing it. He is more efficient overall as a

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self created shot maker. His passing in traffic is better.

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We've talked about this multiple occasions. He can handle finishing

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through contact way more now and then you now come

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like attach that to what he does on defense, where

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he's okay, he's contesting a smaller percentage of shots around

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the rim, He's still the best defensive player for a

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really good defensive team. He toggles, he can toggle, he

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can do the center stuff, he could do the perimeter stuff.

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He can play with another center like defensively, and they

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can mix and match that way, and like the numbers

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support it, Like even when you're talking about Jared Jackson

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junior in theory can do the same. The defensive numbers

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with him at center for Memphis are not what they

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are for Moble in Cleveland. And by the way, when

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Mobley's in center in Cleveland, the lift is in theory

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heavier because who are the great defenders.

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Speaker 2: There's Isaaca Korro.

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Speaker 1: They did get DeAndre Hunter at the trade deadline, but

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you're not talking about and like dem Wade is good

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but can't play a ton, So there's talent there. I

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don't want to like pooh pooh everyone else on the roster,

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but his lift on defense I think is heavier than

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people give him credit for. The versatility is I think

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everyone recognizes that, and so you couple that with the

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offensive growth. I kind of looked at it and said, Okay, well,

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Cleveland has been one of the two best teams in

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the league this season, and I think he's been. Now,

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if you were getting into most indispensable, I think that

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your pick actually makes more sense. But I think that

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he's just been the most important player to the second

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best team in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even on mobile, I think Mobley's a

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fine pick I ran into, Like, I think Mitchell is

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sort of the consensus guy that's maybe gonna get this spot.

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I would I might even pick Garland over it, like honestly,

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like I Mitch, I would put Mobley for sure. But

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the whole calv it's hard to separate the Calves from

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each other in this context because it's like, well, they're

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all awesome, Like I just I don't know what to

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so spoiler, I put all I put three of them

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on my second team. So I went with Steph and uh,

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you know, PSA, Like, obviously I'm biased. I watched the

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Warriors more than I watch any other team, and I

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what I see when I watch them is like, this

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guy is just like singularly impactful on every play no

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matter where he is, and changes everything about what all

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nine other players on the court are doing. He I

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think has the highest degree of difficulty. I mean probably

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that's diminished by Jimmy Butler's presence. Certainly it was true

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before the Butler trade, and even after, it's not like

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teams guard him any differently, Like he still is the

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singular focus all the time, and he's still highly productive

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his shot diet, Like he just takes and makes very

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hard shots and like has to for the offense to function.

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The numbers are all great enough to be here, just

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sort of independently, but I think those combined with just

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the sheer, the weight of the lift, the degree of difficulty,

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however you want to phrase it, like him exelling so

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consistently against like game plans and personnel groupings that are

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designed entirely do stop him from doing what he wants

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to do every night. Like it's just I can't deny that.

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I think. I think it's just it's it's it's enough.

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I'm not doing this as like a lifetime achievement thing either.

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I think, like this year he really is. Maybe I'm

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saying he is one of the fifth most five most

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valuable players in the league.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what, I think kind of reinforce his

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case even more so post Jimmy Butler. Traders like, oh,

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they put more talent around him and he just got better.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, It's like imagine, if you know what we've seen,

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what it looks like when he has tons of in

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prime talent. He wins unanimous MVPs, like he's he's not

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as quick as that guy, but like he might like

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overall be like actually better than what he was ten

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years ago. It's just the talent around him isn't the same.

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Speaker 1: I will go through my all NBA teams with throwing

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it to you. My first team All MBA is just

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the same as my MVP ballot Jokic, SGA, Tatum, Giannis,

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and Evan Mobley on second team, I have Staph made

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it for me, Donov Mitchell made it for me, Kate

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Cunningham made it for me, Anthony Edwards, and Lebron James

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made it for me.

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Speaker 2: Lebron was tough. The numbers are just GOGA.

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Speaker 1: I know what the on off stuff is, but I

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think people say, like, well, image if he played this

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way the entire year rather than just twenty twenty five.

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The offensive numbers have just been there, There's been some

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defensive improvement. I've even seen him getting some first team love.

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He came close to making I ended up bumping Garland

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to move up Cunningham and Lebron. I still don't think

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that like we not you and I necessarily, but like

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the gravity of Kate Cunningham season feels like it still

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might just be setting in for everyone. This is twenty

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five plus points nine as sists hit more than fifty

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percent of his two's training. Lebron, Donca Jokic, Harden, and

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Oscar Robinson are the only players who've ever done that.

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It's like, this is someone who's also improved offensively as

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a rebounder. He's really helped their transition attack more. Anthony Edwards,

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I go back and forth on him too, Like second

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team ended up being really hard.

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Speaker 2: Steph was just easy.

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Speaker 1: I gave him first team an MVP consideration as well.

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Donovin Mitchell another easy second team inclusion for me. Edwards,

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I still wonder, like, can you build an offense that

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is sustainably better than unflavored oatmeal with him? And I

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don't know, because there's like interesting peaks, but he is

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sometimes part of the limitations at the same time the

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three point shooting coupled with what he can do on defense,

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how important is driving and room pressure is? And I

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look at him and say, like, oh, I wish he

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was twenty percent better as a passer, and like he's

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still good enough as a passer even if he reverts

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to the old habits. So that's my second team. Third team,

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I have Darius Garland Jaron Jackson Junior, who kind of

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the last quarter.

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Speaker 2: Of the season, he had a second team case.

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Speaker 1: I feel like until the last I try to I

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try to keep perspective on it being the entire year,

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but if we start talking about a quarter of the season, like,

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it's not gonna take you off all NBA for me,

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but it bumped him down a team. I have Towns

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in Brunton. I think Brunton might have been second team

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had he just he ended up hitting the sixty five

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game minimum. So I wanted to reward some guys who

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were like Kate Comingham seventy games, and I think Brunton

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was part of some of the knicks problems, definitely defensively

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at points, with the weak points that he allows offenses

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to attack.

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Speaker 2: Towns has been great.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are there, but he's just it feels like

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he can play one and a half types of defense

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and that that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: And I know the Knicks are twelfth in point slot

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per possession.

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Speaker 1: They are zero to eight against the Cast and the

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South is combined and like they're getting torched by those dudes. Now,

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my third team inclusion, it came down between Siakam, Halliburton

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and Domas a Bonis. For me, I went with Domas

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Abonis Halliburton. He's been fantastic and had he played like

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this all year, I would have picked him, but he

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was just not this version for twenty five games or so,

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and that's a lot. I thought about Siakam because I

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think maybe he's been the best wired to wire player here.

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The Kings have won the minutes with Sabonis on the court.

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This is the second time he's clear fifteen points, ten

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boards in five assists on sixty five are better true shooting.

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Joll Kich is the only other player who's ever done that,

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and so like he stretched the floor a little bit.

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I know the on off splits aren't is great, especially

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post Iaron Fox trade. He poses limitations defensively to this

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regular season Award though, and why or why are he's

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been really good and the fact that he's done it

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with he's had to assume a couple of different roles

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because of just the ground shifting around him. And I

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don't think that's through any fault. You have a problem

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with the way the Kings look up, maybe take it

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up at the front office.

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Speaker 2: Who decided to build Bulls East is just.

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Speaker 3: And are shock like, huh, I can't believe this is

471
00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,000
working on It's has.

472
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: Been pretty rough when Levigne and Domas and run.

473
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,279
Speaker 3: Well and look, if we're gonna credit I guess I

474
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,279
did it, But I think we both agree, like credit

475
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,000
Jokic for just continuing to be a rock amid you know,

476
00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,200
some pretty stormy seas like organizationally, I think Sabonis might

477
00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,160
like take the cake there because like he's just been

478
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,039
through it all with that and like, no, the King, Well,

479
00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:44,119
the Kings did fire their coach, that was the thing

480
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,480
that happened. They're probably gonna fire their top.

481
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: Executive grant like a responsible organization. They did it with

482
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,240
more than ten games left to play.

483
00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:54,519
Speaker 3: It yeah right right. Just that's all to say, Sabonis

484
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:59,160
deserves like some good citizen credit for you know, not do.

485
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,920
All he's doing is set clarity at the end of

486
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,680
the season. He's not.

487
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,599
Speaker 1: He's not like, you know, pitching a fit which team

488
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,880
probably should be. Do you have before we go through

489
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,079
your bout, do you have any questions about mine that

490
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:08,519
you find it?

491
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: No, I think it's all reasonable. Like we're we're pretty close.

492
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,680
I think maybe as I'm looking now before you pull

493
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,440
mine up, there's two or three differences. And basically everybody

494
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,400
that isn't on your first, second or third team, or

495
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,359
that I that I don't have is like on a

496
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,039
on honorable mention, like fourth team or like tough emissions. Basically, well,

497
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,160
can you please take us through your all NBA ballot?

498
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,880
Then yes, So first team is same as the MVP ballot.

499
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,880
It's just Jokic, Shay Tatum, Yannis steph Uh. Then I

500
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,839
just calves it up on the second team and no

501
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,720
one else. I just like, all these guys are first

502
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,960
team consideration. So sorry, Mitchell, Mobley and Garland are all there,

503
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:47,440
Lebron is there. Just give like the teensiest bit of

504
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:50,920
first team consideration to Lebron and Edwards and really everybody

505
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,519
here got like a little bit at some point so

506
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,240
I would echo everything you said about Edwards. I think

507
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,640
that's really well stated. It's just like there are flaws,

508
00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:04,920
Like they're the playmaking, the passing decisions, the defensive like

509
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,319
like he's in third gear for a lot of the time,

510
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,640
and then like fifth gear is still pretty spectacular, but

511
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,359
it's just not always there. It's but he's still just

512
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,519
like such an overwhelming player that I just and the

513
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,480
three point revolution that he underwent this year is like,

514
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,319
I mean, he can't be blower than second team for me.

515
00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,519
Lebron's still great, So third team, I think is where

516
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,240
we have a couple differences. So I also have Brunson.

517
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,279
I did move kid down to second to third team,

518
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,000
which I don't feel good about. I think again, like

519
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,960
he's going to feature in some other awards. We'll talk

520
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,279
about Jaron Jackson, same thing. It's a full season award,

521
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,240
so he makes it there. The offensive growth is still

522
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,359
a great defender. I have Tarry's Haliburton. I think I

523
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,720
skew towards like role, like importance of role versus like Sabonis,

524
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,400
just to draw the comparisons, Like I think Caliburton is

525
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,920
just so integral and is such a value add all

526
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,880
the time on offense, and Sabonis is that too. It's

527
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,799
a tough call. I have alprin Shangoon, Like, I don't know,

528
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,279
we got to credit somebody for the rockets, like and

529
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,039
it's not I'm not just tossing it off, but like

530
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,759
he has proven to be good enough defensively to be

531
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,559
a key part of an awesome defense. Like he's not

532
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,480
the reason they're good. There's I don't know, three to

533
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:20,000
five players you might mention before him, but he plays

534
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,920
center for a team that is an awesome defense, like

535
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,000
he's not hurting it. And then offensively, he's got a

536
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,880
lot of the same Sabonis stuff minus the stretch of

537
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:31,799
just is a great passers you know, has been has

538
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:35,640
been super productive, has gotten those jokic light comparisons, which

539
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,920
are silly, but like the numbers are kind of there.

540
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,200
So yeah, really, I think where this gets interesting is, well,

541
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,480
do you have any any questions like quibbles before we

542
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,200
get to like, oh my god, I don't know if

543
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,880
you have the honorable mention slide stuff, But like the

544
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000
fourth team is stacked too, and it's full of guys.

545
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,359
It's like, how could we not fit them?

546
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:52,799
Speaker 2: Well?

547
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, before we can, Well, I guess I want

548
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,880
to mention some names that would be on the fourth

549
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,839
team honorable mentions, which we have a lot of the same.

550
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: We both have all spoiler like Ofviatazoo.

551
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely this last like month of the year, it's like

552
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:07,039
it was like, oh God, I'm like, I'm shorten this

553
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,400
guy way too much in like several categories. He's great,

554
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,440
So leaving Karl Anthony Towns off, I think it's going

555
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,839
to be seen as somewhat controversial.

556
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,079
Speaker 2: What is the impetus behind that?

557
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,519
Speaker 3: I guess it comes down to two things. While acknowledging

558
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,359
that like offensively he's spectacular, he's not the most important

559
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,839
offensive player on his team. And I think defensively it's

560
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,680
it's sort of just an echo of what you said.

561
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,279
It's like, I think he's a problem defensively, like he's

562
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,319
he's the biggest Well, I guess you'd throw Brunson in there,

563
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,279
but Brunson doesn't play nearly as important of a position. Defensively,

564
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,720
I think Kat's poor rim defense, which got better, Like

565
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:49,720
I'm not anchoring to the beginning of the year, where

566
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,519
was the number was like opponents were shooting like eighty

567
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:53,960
percent at the rim or something.

568
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that number held fairly like Serve against

569
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,680
the Celtics in particular, right.

570
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,039
Speaker 3: I think I think he takes a lot off the

571
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:05,920
table and that has and look I have him, I

572
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,759
have him honorable mention like I have him as like

573
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,319
a fourth quote unquote fourth team guy. I think Shangoon

574
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,400
just that's probably the guy I would bump if I

575
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,240
had to put Kat on a team, but I don't.

576
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:18,279
I think I might put zubats if I had to.

577
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,359
If I had to take somebody from honorable mentioned territory,

578
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,160
I think it's probably Zubatsuh.

579
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: I kind of not that I wish I did this

580
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:28,480
in retrospect, but if you were gonna bump Towns or

581
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,799
if you were gonna have I definitely would have the

582
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,920
name that I struggled with the most. It came down

583
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,680
to a pacer of whether it was Tyre's Haliburt or

584
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,680
Pascal Siakam. I actually like wire to wire season has

585
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,119
been underappreciated, like kind of offensively, and then he helped

586
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,119
solve a lot of their defensive issues. So if you

587
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,240
were gonna leave off Towns, I probably would rather Seekam

588
00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:49,279
over Shangoon or Haliburn, but like I think Shang Gooon

589
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,640
is like my bit would be my biggest contestable point here,

590
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,200
and that's just okay, Well, look at what he did

591
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,359
for the Rockets.

592
00:26:55,599 --> 00:27:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, some other names maybe have so James Harden, I

593
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,200
mean late push uh and and both of us. This

594
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,240
will be a surprise Jadab did not make one of

595
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,839
the Actually, Jadab's probably gonna make a real life team,

596
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,400
don't you think.

597
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: So when I after I fill in my ballad and

599
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,880
I was reading and listening to stuff, I was actually

600
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,519
surprised at how many people had him on one of

601
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:18,079
the three teams.

602
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: I think it's perfectly fine, Like I'm not mad about it,

603
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,480
but I was. I was a little bit surprised.

604
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just I mean sorry, Like all these

605
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,599
fifteen guys we have are spectacular, there's only so many spots.

606
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,599
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like that's with like Kevin Durant not eligible,

607
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,039
I mean what you picked him with what happened?

608
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean, like Wentby not eligible? There, chat Holmgrin not eligible.

609
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: So well, usual suspects like Bam, like Bam would be

610
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,759
in this Anthony Davis, Like there's so many guys that

611
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,400
for one reason or another. Aren't there that normally would

612
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,160
be like, of course Anthony Davis and Bam are going

613
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,000
to be in the mix.

614
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: So if you had your fictional fourth team, what are

615
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,599
the you have to narrow down to five? I know

616
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,640
you listed like twenty names I got, so.

617
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: My fictional fourth team would be siakham, Kat, Zubots, Harden,

618
00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:58,960
and Jadab.

619
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: We're actually pretty similar.

620
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,839
Speaker 1: I have hardened Halliburt and Zubots, j Dub and Siakam

621
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,519
there with you know Trey Young, although he did he

622
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,640
was being a petulant little crap hole playing game, but

623
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,079
I gave him some consideration there too. Can you take

624
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,839
us through the Defensive Player of the Year.

625
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here we are in lockstep at number one.

626
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,039
We both have Evan Mobley. I think you mentioned a

627
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:31,119
lot of what warrants his position here in the All

628
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,279
NBA and MVP stuff. To me, I think, to me,

629
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,160
like this is some.

630
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: Like proprietary metrics.

631
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: My proprietary metrics have him as insanely versatile an excellent

632
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,200
room protector, and like that's good enough when you're great

633
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,920
at those two things to be a defensive Player of

634
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640
the Year. This is the you know, let's all nudge

635
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,359
each other and say, Wemby like is just the best

636
00:28:57,359 --> 00:28:59,599
defensive player in the league and he doesn't qualify, so

637
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:01,720
but hey tough, you gotta make it through the year.

638
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440
And Mobley did, uh, I mean, I don't know what's

639
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,079
the case against him, Like I did you think very

640
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,759
hard about another person, like seriously, because I think Mobley

641
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,000
was I just like I'm not. I didn't waver very

642
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:14,599
much on it.

643
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,039
Speaker 1: No, he was my actual clear cut I thought when

644
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,000
we did this at like the three quarter mark, and

645
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Wemby had been what we knew he was going to

646
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,240
be ineligible. Jared Jackson Junior's case was so much stronger.

647
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,400
But you dig into the minutes he spends at center,

648
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,920
they're not like great or as good as they should be.

649
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,599
And then coupled with the Grizzlies down slide there didn't

650
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,000
help him. This felt like a clear I've seen the

651
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,279
case against him, or I've seen others pit John Hollinger

652
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,640
had Amen Thompson. I still generally am of the mind

653
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,240
that it's tougher for perimeter based players to shape defenses

654
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,720
as much. But Mobley, I think more than Ahmen, more

655
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,680
than even Bam, Like he blurs the line between everything

656
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880
because of what he does, and I think the strongest

657
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,079
not the I didn't even find it very compelling, but

658
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640
the I guess the most common case I saw against

659
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,799
him was well, teams are going at him late in games,

660
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,559
and I view that as more of like I went

661
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,160
back and watched some of it, and I felt, this

662
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:11,240
is my my you're my proprietary impressions are. I just

663
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,480
felt like they did that to make his focus more singular,

664
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400
and it was we don't want him being able to

665
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,079
muck up things, either near the basket or just as

666
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:20,920
a help defender.

667
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: And that's how I interpret it. Maybe that's the wrong

668
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,039
way of looking at it.

669
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: And I also didn't find it like a grecious for

670
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,039
most of the year at least, but there are some

671
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,960
people that did, but I didn't. I have other people

672
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400
in my bout, but this was like with wem be Gone,

673
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,440
there was mobile and then there was like kind of

674
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,119
a gap for me.

675
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, So I had we. I

676
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,240
love that we're we have different number two and number

677
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,279
three and like, I can't argue with any of yours

678
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,240
because it's just these guys are all so good. So

679
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,839
I have Draymond too. Look, I'll admit the bias again.

680
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: Are you a subscriber?

681
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: I get right. I still I still think you're not

682
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,640
going to find someone that is reading and diagnosing and

683
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,000
like putting out fires faster. I still think he is

684
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,000
the best defensive like mind in the NBA. And there's

685
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,960
enough in like the physical toolkit still to where like

686
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,920
you don't ever go at him, like like I don't care,

687
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Like there's no point guard, there's no wing. That's like,

688
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,720
oh good, I got Draymond switched on to me, Like

689
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:25,240
that's an absolute non starter somehow as a good room

690
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,720
protector at six' five or. Whatever it's just like he's you,

691
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,119
know if we, talk we keep bringing up like well

692
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,160
rounded and, complete like as a, DEFENDER i don't know

693
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:39,240
who's more. COMPLETE i Think mobile just has the youth

694
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,960
and length and athleticism. Advantages mobile's not a smarter defender

695
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,559
like And mobile, Like and, again no one goes At,

696
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640
Draymond SO i THINK i feel good with him, There

697
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,960
and THEN i did Put thompson. Third his case is just.

698
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Different there's some of the versatility. STUFF i just think

699
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:01,640
like from a pure like athleticism and physicality, standpoint he's

700
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,880
just like the most, intimidating terrifying guy on and off

701
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,279
the ball because of like just how quickly he's able to,

702
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,720
move how explosive he, is and how aggressive he is.

703
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,680
Defensively so he's about as high AS i can go

704
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:18,279
with a. Wing if you even really want to call

705
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:19,720
him a. WING i don't even know WHAT i would

706
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,920
call him, positionally because he's all over the. PLACE i

707
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,599
struggled with.

708
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: HIM i, mean he's gonna make my first Team All,

709
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,079
defense but it was sort of LIKE i view it

710
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,559
through a similar lens as the Thunder, Towards like The

711
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,039
rockets have so many good defensive, players and it was,

712
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:36,200
like If i'm not trying to Force Jalen williams Or

713
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,359
Lou dort into the top, THREE i wasn't gonna do

714
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,720
it with AND I i think it's like an amen

715
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,640
maybe been playing all these minutes from the start of the.

716
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Year that would have made it easier for. Me but,

717
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,559
yeah it's JUST i think you can go with, Anything.

718
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,319
DRAYMOND i do Think i'm not saying you're doing, this

719
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,240
and he's been, spectacular BUT i really do think that

720
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:53,680
there's been he can't paigne for.

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,279
Speaker 2: This at the end of the. Year some people are, like,

722
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,960
oh you know, What, yeah, like, yeah he might be.

723
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: RIGHT i think he's been, great but there was just

724
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,119
like maybe so much the beginning of the, year but

725
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,359
it felt like there was just like this chunk of

726
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,240
the season where it wasn't the same and maybe he

727
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,319
wasn't he was an active participant in.

728
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: It he didn't.

729
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Suck, Yeah BUT i also.

730
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Think this is kind of the year WHERE i, think

731
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,480
based off who was available eligible to make this, team

732
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,279
you probably could have selected like twenty first team all defense.

733
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:21,920
Guys And i'm not gonna give like a ton of

734
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,519
pushback on.

735
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,599
Speaker 3: It, yeah make The zubat's case Because i'm glad you have,

736
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,920
him AND i won't. Argue oh, wait you haven't even

737
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,559
talked About bam.

738
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,359
Speaker 1: Yet bam is my number, Two which is funny BECAUSE

739
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:33,160
i think this IS i had him in my top

740
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,519
THREE i think at the beginning of the, year and

741
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,119
then he never appeared here. AGAIN i just he were

742
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,880
eighth in points allowed per possession and the defensive talent

743
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,799
around him is like some of the advanced metrics like.

744
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,039
It AND i Know Jimmy butler was there for a,

745
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,720
minute but like kind of not at he wasn't really there,

746
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,759
right and like you Have Hayward, highsmith but it's like

747
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:50,799
him a hawk as junior ended up with his face

748
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,640
on a milk carton like we SAW i Khalil ware

749
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,079
might have a ton of, Promise LIKE i don't view

750
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:57,880
that dude as, like, yeah when they're, side when you

751
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,559
have two bigs in the, front like that's not someone

752
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,359
who's elevating your, Defense like you're playing With jovic and

753
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,000
you've played WITH i mentioned. Hero The Terry rozier minutes

754
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,760
have been disaster this. YEAR i think he probably wins

755
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,239
it if he's just a better rim protector because he

756
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,960
kind OF i think part of that was like personnel

757
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,960
and the responsibility he's. Shouldering but last year they were sort, of,

758
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,880
oh look at What BAM's doing at the, rim and

759
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,639
that was gone this. Year zubos is the most important

760
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,000
Or i'll, say the highest volume defender on what IS

761
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,800
i would say if you're just looking forget about the.

762
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,880
Numbers even though they have the second best defense against

763
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,079
top ten, OFFENSES i think The clippers have the second

764
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,519
most dangerous defense in the league Behind Oklahoma city with

765
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,199
The maybe The rockets should be thrown in.

766
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: There Of Golden.

767
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,519
Speaker 1: State zubots' rim protection has been, great but, like look

768
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,400
at the minutes he, plays look at what he's able

769
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400
to do on the perimeter and help blow up plays.

770
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: There that is, like this.

771
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,039
Speaker 1: Is someone WHO i don't know if we we definitely

772
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,199
weren't talking about him like this a half decade or so.

773
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,119
Ago he's in the eighty eight percentile of opponent field

774
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,400
goal percentage allowed at the rim versus. Expected he's just

775
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,719
been like an anchor for just this terrific defense all year.

776
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,159
Long AND I i think when you measure that rim

777
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,360
protection against, well like kind of look at what he's

778
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,679
had to do against some of like quicker players are

779
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,480
coming to the outside and like being able to defend

780
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,119
these different types of actions like with screens and like

781
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:19,880
tracking both sides of the pick and. Roll i've just

782
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
been really impressed with him this, year and so HE

783
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,079
i think he shouldered a more complex defensive workload while

784
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:29,360
getting better and shouldering a more complex offensive. Workload that

785
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,039
doesn't factor in, here but that's definitely a feather or

786
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:32,599
eight in his.

787
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,559
Speaker 3: CAP, Yep i'm glad you had him, again like and

788
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,679
bam IS i. Was i'll be, HONEST i was surprised

789
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,920
to See, bam even THOUGH i do remember early on

790
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,760
you had, him and it's, like, well, yeah of, COURSE

791
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
i think he's a good example of like sometimes we

792
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,960
just sort OF i don't, know LIKE i have dream

793
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,480
on on my, ballots so it's not like BUT i

794
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,400
think like we can sort of forget like the obvious

795
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:58,920
sometimes or we're looking for the next, whatever and And

796
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,280
bam is, again and like the rim protection is always

797
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,719
outside of like last year for, sure in a couple

798
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,119
other years been like you want more out of him

799
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:11,239
rim protection, wise BUT i, mean the guy's been the

800
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,800
defensive anchor on finals teams and the guy like he.

801
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,239
Is maybe we KEEP i keep bringing this, up but

802
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,760
it's like it's true of all the great really great

803
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,159
big guy, defenders like you never go a go at this,

804
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,760
guy like it's he's an avoid at all, costs like

805
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,280
if you're if you're on the. Ball SO i like

806
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,880
that you have him. THERE i think it's, uh we we.

807
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,039
MAY i think there's a chance like next year he'll

808
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,679
just be right here again and it'll be, like, yeah

809
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,519
what were we what were we? Doing like why why

810
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,239
he be playing for when he's, well great question can

811
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,760
you take us through all your all defense? TEAM i

812
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,400
Have mobile, Obviously, Green am And. Thompson that's my one

813
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,280
two three on DP. O WHY i also Have Jared jackson.

814
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,239
Junior he he again he fits the same bill as

815
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
like He's. Mobile he's a good roving rim. Protector he

816
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:58,320
makes a mess of offensive, possessions hard guy to go.

817
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,079
At doesn't have a lot of weaknesses, defensive accept for the.

818
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,039
Fouling and that gave me a lot of pause because

819
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,159
it's just you really can't watch a game and not

820
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,199
like actually just in real, time be, like well that

821
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,559
was you can't do, That like that was a dumb you.

822
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,320
Know he did it against The wars in the playing,

823
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920
game had a foul ninety feet from the, basket and

824
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,039
it's just, like what are we, like how how is

825
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,159
this still? Happening so small reservation does not detract from

826
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,599
the whole. Thing So Jalen williams makes my first. Team,

827
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,719
Uh and that has a lot to do with him

828
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,280
being probably the best rim protecting wing in the league

829
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,239
and he played center for a long. Time we've talked

830
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,519
about it at. NAUSEUM i think he is someone that

831
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,559
on the, ball great off the, ball probably even better

832
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,159
because he's super long and he's very, smart and he

833
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,559
gets in the passing lanes tons of. Deflections elite help,

834
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,320
defender you, know you can get as granular as you,

835
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,119
want like whether that's stepping in from you, know leaving

836
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,639
a guy in the corner to come in and take a,

837
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,239
charge whether that's doubling at the, nail like whatever you

838
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,880
need to have done on, defense, like he'll just be

839
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,440
great at. It and SO i THINK i leaned on

840
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480
that versatility and putting him first. TEAM i feel Like

841
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,480
i'm over, justifying BUT.

842
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I actually wonder if HE i think he definitely would

843
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,559
have finished in the top, three BUT i wonder what

844
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,440
the ground swell would have been for him to win

845
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,000
the award as either take one of them off the

846
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,559
team or just like what if Chet holmgrin and or

847
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,719
Isaa hertensteiner continue to battle all these injuries or.

848
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,559
Speaker 3: Something. YEAH i, mean so he's not going to be

849
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,079
first team like in the real awards, SEASON i don't.

850
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,440
Think and he's a little bit of a victim of

851
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,559
like it's kind of like WHAT i did with The

852
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,880
cavs In ALL. Nba it's like there's too MANY i don't,

853
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,440
know what to. Do just put him on second or

854
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,360
third and we'll call.

855
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: It your first.

856
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Team consistent in the sense that you've probably chosen five

857
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,519
of the what seven most versatile defenders in the, end

858
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,840
like maybe To Monic, Kamorrow giannanobi would be like, there

859
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,639
but like you've chosen like the five arguably the five

860
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:50,920
most versatile defenders in the.

861
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,039
Speaker 3: League so, yeah, well and on my second, TEAM i

862
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,719
got at least one more BECAUSE i do Have Timani

863
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,360
kamara there Alongside Rudy gobert is just, like let's not overthink.

864
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960
This he's still he is another guy that had some

865
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,199
ebbs and flows this, season but has been you, know

866
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,079
had a pretty consistent long stretch of, like, yeah he's

867
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,679
still one of the most impactful. Guys zubats is. THERE

868
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,519
i have Lou. Dort god knows how many thunder would

869
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,440
have been on here if they'd, Qualified BUT i think

870
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,199
he's kind of undeniable as an on ball.

871
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Guy do you know what kind of stinks about this,

872
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,840
though is that because there were players that weren't, eligible

873
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,719
because we look at the supporting can people have just

874
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,079
decided that Lou dort doesn't matter as. Much like When

875
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:28,920
i've read and listened to a lot of these all

876
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,159
defense stuff where it's, well he has like this singular.

877
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,320
Focus i'm, like, yeah and it's the toughest. Thing like

878
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,039
there's one or two players that like spend more time

879
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,280
guarding superstars than he. Does and that's just good luck

880
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,800
screening this. Dude and people, like, yeah when he flops

881
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,639
and like he draws these tiki tak offensive, fouls, Good.

882
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,119
Speaker 3: Yeah part of. It that's a, Skill, LIKE i, mean

883
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,400
you may not like, it but he is skilled at that.

884
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:52,800
Thing and THEN i Had Dyson daniels at the last.

885
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,800
SPOT i gave that some thought just because it's, like you,

886
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,199
know the three steals a game is, nuts and it you,

887
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,360
know almost never, happens hasn't happened for a really long,

888
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,320
time AND i don't want to just overrate the. Disruption

889
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,880
but he is an eye test guy, Too like the,

890
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,280
numbers he's just like causes so many. Problems and then

891
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,400
you watch him chase guys around and you watch him

892
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,400
just tip every ball and it's like he's he's really

893
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,480
messing stuff up for the.

894
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,639
Speaker 1: Offense, yeah HE'S i think a couple of people picked

895
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,639
him to win. IT i just struggled because THE i

896
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:25,719
don't ascribe a ton of value of The hawk's defense

897
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,119
being better with him off the. Floor BUT i don't

898
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,239
think if you were gonna go that, ROUTE i really

899
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,920
do think that the pick for Defensive player of The

900
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,800
year should Be Aman thompson Or Jalen, williams BECAUSE i

901
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,079
don't think he does as much of like the lower guy,

902
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,480
Stuff and part of that is because he's up top

903
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,079
and He's WHAT i do appreciate about him is that

904
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,079
he is guarding the toughest. Player and, yes He's i've

905
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:48,360
seen people say that he's not. Gambling he's absolutely getting oh,

906
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,599
yeah but so many of his when you look at

907
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,360
the steels rather than the, deflections like these are a

908
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
lot of odd ball, steals so they are. Gambled but

909
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,880
it's while he he's not coming in all the time

910
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,320
as like the second.

911
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Guy SO i have a ton of appreciation for.

912
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: That AND i think if you, decided, hey we want

913
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,480
him to be our Lou dort and we don't want

914
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,119
him to go after counting, stats that he could fulfill that.

915
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: TOO i JUST i get a little.

916
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: BIT i still value LIKE i, THINK i don't think

917
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,360
he's as versatile as some people have made. HIM i

918
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,280
think there are limitations if he's going up against bigger

919
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,840
players and around the basket more so than some of

920
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,039
the other, guys which suffice it to, SAY i DON'T

921
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:24,880
i don't have any qualms with who you picked because

922
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,000
we have nine of the same ten, guys AND i

923
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:29,599
Put Dyson daniels on my first. Team, yeah you're really

924
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:31,440
talking him down just to PLoP him up there.

925
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 3: On your first.

926
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: TEAM i Have Evan, Mobley Dyson, daniels Bam am And

927
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,800
thompson And. ZUBATS i don't think we need any other

928
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,559
notes on. These my second team Is Jaron Jackson, junior

929
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,320
the follying coupled WITH i just don't think he's been

930
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,360
as good over this like the last quarter of the.

931
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,280
Year and ALSO i will SAY i saw this, joke

932
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,280
and the one THAT i thought about this wasn't the

933
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,519
JOKE i. Saw this is the time of year we

934
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,679
haven't done. IT i actually THINK i started the podcastating

935
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,559
the exact opposite of.

936
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,199
Speaker 2: It is how everyone doing these.

937
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Podcasts these these hosts say after watching all these games

938
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,960
and doing all the work and looking at all the

939
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,199
numbers and like really studying, this but.

940
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: It's also the time of. YEAR i thought about it

941
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,800
WHEN i saw.

942
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,599
Speaker 1: THIS i saw someone post like every podcast ever is

943
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,079
these awards are basically based off after The All star.

944
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,599
Break i'm kind of LIKE i fall vic him to that,

945
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:16,239
too a little bit Like Jared. Jackson hutter is a

946
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,599
good example, here but it is an entire season, thing

947
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,320
so it didn't knock him off all, defense but it

948
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,119
took him off my first. Team he's second team along

949
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,039
With Tamani. Kamara Draymond green made second. Team for Any

950
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,360
warriors fans that are mad at me That grant had

951
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,039
him in the top three of Devinse player the, YEAR

952
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,079
i didn't go beat you mentioned everything with, him but

953
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,079
The wolves are just basically the best defense in the

954
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:34,719
league with him on the.

955
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: Court, yeah which.

956
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 3: Tends to happening year after.

957
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: Year, BASICALLY i ended up Lou dort was my first

958
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,079
team last, time AND i think HE i THINK i

959
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,320
might have been overweighting, Though, okay he's on the thunder

960
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,039
AND i felt like someone needed to be, there AND

961
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:47,679
i really believe that it should.

962
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: Be bam on first.

963
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Team but he's JUST i think he's, great AND i

964
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,800
think he's almost undervalued in the same way That Klay

965
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,320
thompson was. Undervalued, well he doesn't have the same counting

966
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,920
stats as these other guys on, yeah and it's look

967
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,519
at what he's doing and they.

968
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Don't, ever they. Don't they, might but they don't need to.

969
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,039
Speaker 1: Help like the stuff that he it's not even covers

970
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,079
up because they're so. Talented but the stuff he allows

971
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,000
everybody else to do that is part of his.

972
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: Lift AND i think it gets overlooked a little.

973
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: Bit, YEAH i think that's.

974
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: Fair biggest snub snubs for. ME i had a Ogn

975
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,400
ANDOBI i gave a lot of consideration. TOO i just

976
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
don't think on a possession by a possession basis he's

977
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360
been as GOOD i thought about j Dub of, Course

978
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,840
Dylan brooks has probably become a little. Underappreciated and somebody

979
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,519
WHO i think had like a really good had he

980
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,079
never like missed that time and was like, This Andrew

981
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:33,480
nempard were probably.

982
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,559
Speaker 3: We both had him in like the fourth team or

983
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:38,440
actually third, team like can we get him on? There

984
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,559
and couldn't do. IT i Had Keegan murray he quietly

985
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,800
IS i think he's. RIGHT i ACTUALLY i remember the

986
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,760
number is fifty three percent defensive field goal percentage allowed

987
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,280
inside six, feet which is like that's a great number

988
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,480
for a, center and and THAT'S i think it was

989
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,800
either five or six field goals defended per. Game so

990
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,400
it's like not a small. Number there are a lot

991
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,599
of centers like LIKE i DON'T i can't think of

992
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,599
a name off the, top but like there's plenty of

993
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,480
centers that don't get that much volume in room defense

994
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,840
and are also. Worse so he he you credit him

995
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,199
a lot of time as, like oh my, god remember

996
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,119
that series where he stuck With Steph curry or like

997
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,920
he he's a good, perimeter great perimeter, defender but like

998
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,920
the rim protection is, real and SO i want to

999
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,519
throw him a. Bone jade McDaniels kind of feels lifetime

1000
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,960
ACHIEVEMENTY i had og can we? Talk AND i Had.

1001
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: BAM j McDaniels like twenty three years, old and you just,

1002
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,639
say kind of feels lifetime, Achievementy.

1003
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,199
Speaker 3: WELL i mean not lifetime. ACHIE i guess in the

1004
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,400
sense of like it's a little a little Like. Bam

1005
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,599
it's like we all know he's like really. Great it's

1006
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,679
just like THIS i don't, know for some, reason this

1007
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,400
isn't the year he's getting acknowledged for. It the did

1008
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,079
not qualify list is. Bonkers so, like just to take

1009
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:53,519
five Names, Wemby Alex, Scruso Asar, Thompson Chad, Holmgren Chris,

1010
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,880
dunn And Chris done not qualifying is really, stupid and

1011
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,719
that's maybe the best argument for changing the.

1012
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,199
Speaker 1: RULE i go back and forth on that Because i'm

1013
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,199
just sort of, like shouldn't we reward higher minutes guys

1014
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:03,960
for all?

1015
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,159
Speaker 3: Defense just don't disqualify. Him let us, decide if you

1016
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,159
know WHAT i, Mean, like let us decide if done

1017
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,679
playing under twenty minutes this many times or? Whatever what?

1018
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,000
That how you how you apples to orange that with

1019
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,920
someone that plays a ton, like we can do. It

1020
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,559
we'll figure it.

1021
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: OUT i think my hottest take BECAUSE i would have

1022
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,920
considered might have been. ELIGIBLES i might Prefer Asar thompson on.

1023
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: Defense Tom. Thompson that's, well it's fine with.

1024
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: Me he's really.

1025
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:29,559
Speaker 2: Great.

1026
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,119
Speaker 3: Uh hartenstein was another GUY i think would have gotten

1027
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,119
more so every.

1028
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:39,039
Speaker 2: Single player on This uh what's he deserves an honorable mention?

1029
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:40,599
There next?

1030
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: UP i believe it's, Yeah i'll take us through. This

1031
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
one rookie of The YEAR i grappled with this. One

1032
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,039
we ended up with the same one. Too Jalen, wells

1033
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,239
who's done for the season ins far as The grizzly

1034
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,280
season even has any games left and has one more

1035
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,119
in the plane with his wrist. Injury Steph castle at

1036
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:00,840
number two just starting. THERE i understand That Steph castle's

1037
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,960
offensive role was.

1038
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,199
Speaker 2: Harder Jalen wells.

1039
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Has like the fifth highest matchup difficulty on defense in

1040
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:09,880
the league while playing a bunch of minutes for a

1041
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,559
team that won almost fifty. Games and this isn't a

1042
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,199
huge part of his argument because it happened at the

1043
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,519
end of the.

1044
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:15,519
Speaker 2: Year he got.

1045
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: INJURED i, Mean grizzers were, basically, well what the fuck

1046
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,360
are we supposed to? Do and it's Like Scottie pippen

1047
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,039
Or Vince Williams, junior like they all become become so

1048
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,360
much more. Important that was the load he was. Carrying

1049
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Now steph does a lot more on. Offense castle that,

1050
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:29,719
is is the better. PASSER i think he showed a

1051
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,519
lot of signs. There he's a pretty good finisher so.

1052
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:34,639
FAR i can't get past the efficiency's from the, perimeter

1053
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,800
and you could talk about self created shot, making the shot.

1054
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,000
Quality Jalen wells a shot quality this, year so expected

1055
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,639
effective field goal percentage on the shots he took was

1056
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,519
actually lower than What Steph castle's. Was so in a

1057
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,079
lot of that, Look steph gets to the rim more

1058
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,519
LIKE i get. It BUT i tried to look at

1059
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,000
this as IF i was picking WHO i think is

1060
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,320
going to be the better. PRO i believe It's Steph,

1061
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,960
castle But i'm also trying to look at like this

1062
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,400
is rookie of the, year not rookie of the, draft,

1063
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:02,079
right so it's a different, Right and SO i am

1064
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:03,280
higher On steph Than wells long.

1065
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: TIME i just think he's more.

1066
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Dynamic BUT i do come back to the fact that

1067
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,960
if you are this inefficient for this long to where

1068
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,920
you're you, know damaging your team's, offense and, like, yeah

1069
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,000
you're put into this high volume role by necessity at

1070
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,559
points for, SURE i just couldn't get. There that all that,

1071
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,400
SAID i do reward the. VOLUME i do reward just

1072
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,239
the breadth of his skill. Set you'll see it when

1073
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,079
we talk about the all rookie, teams WHERE i THINK

1074
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,559
i might, well we actually we both have he who

1075
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,519
will be named, soon where a lot of other people did.

1076
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,599
Not SO i really do appreciate the. DIFFICULTY i don't

1077
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,119
Think Galon wells had it easy In memphis at any

1078
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,119
point defensively this. Year and look at some of the

1079
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,239
Players i've. Il this is WHAT i can't wrap my head.

1080
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,880
Around some of the justifications against him THAT I i

1081
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,519
THINK i mostly listened to these was well, like he

1082
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,159
just doesn't hold up against like The Luca, Dantes Lebron

1083
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,320
james too. Well, okay all, right, sure, okay the fact

1084
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,079
that he has to guard them at. All if we're

1085
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,599
going to Reward steph with the difficulty on offense of, that,

1086
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,320
like he has an outsized role when it comes to

1087
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,480
his body archetype on the defensive. End you know, what

1088
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,360
for most of the, year he.

1089
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: Did it really.

1090
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: Well AND i DID i Had steph initially on this final,

1091
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:10,960
RUN i think maybe for the first time ever Because

1092
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,119
Jaleen wells like didn't shoot the ball too well to

1093
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,599
close the. Year, yeah BUT i just it's a full season,

1094
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,480
award AND i think that he was the more valuable,

1095
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,760
rookie certainly to the better team for the entire.

1096
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,639
Speaker 2: Season, YEAH i agree with all.

1097
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: THAT i just like they're JUST i don't know if

1098
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,920
you know, This, dan this is a down year for.

1099
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,119
Rookies not a lot of people love this.

1100
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,599
Speaker 1: Class CAN I, Actually i'll say this question be, frohm

1101
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:34,400
we get to all rookies BECAUSE i haven't a question

1102
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,199
about this class for.

1103
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,199
Speaker 3: You so, Yeah wells just is kind of a one

1104
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,320
of one in terms of played a starting role all

1105
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,840
season and was a helpful two way player for a

1106
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,000
very good. Team like that's you, know that's that's kind

1107
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,039
of the. Case LIKE i guess if that's not what

1108
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,840
you Think rookie of The year, is then, fine then

1109
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,159
it's Probably castle or you could you could go anywhere

1110
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,079
on the. Board, Really SO i had Reesa, cha, third

1111
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,000
you Had cling and THIRD i have no issue Like,

1112
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,480
KLINGON i think pretty clearly. Demonstrated LIKE i think we've

1113
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,800
we started talking about like does he have a superpower

1114
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,400
you know and evaluating players and, like, yeah he's the

1115
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,079
offensive rebounding the room protection he's. Not he's got plenty

1116
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,960
of flaws like most very very big big men. Do

1117
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,440
but like he made a massive impact and like the

1118
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,159
things you want him to. IMPACT i went With. Resache

1119
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:27,159
he just kind of slowly it like met expectations of, like,

1120
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,320
yeah he's gonna be a helpful catch and shoot guy

1121
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,000
that can move off the, ball Like cutswell is in

1122
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,639
the right, place and then like nudged it up a

1123
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,519
little bit by like becoming, very very efficient as a

1124
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,360
three point shooter over the last couple of months of the.

1125
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,480
Year SO i wanted to reward. THAT i STILL i

1126
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,400
don't know what to think of his. CEILING i still

1127
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,719
think the safe bet is that it's, like you, know good,

1128
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,440
starter which is What wells was this, year just to

1129
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,519
drive that point. Home so, yeah we could. Have we

1130
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:58,920
could have gone through probably ten guys FOR i think

1131
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,800
third third.

1132
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,679
Speaker 1: Place, yeah with and it came down To clinging or

1133
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,280
reesa che OR i Think edie with. Me what ended

1134
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,880
up being a big differentiator Is clinging like was playing

1135
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,920
and this was not all, year but like he was

1136
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,800
playing a lot of higher leverage minutes for a team

1137
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,800
that was really involved in the play in WHICH i

1138
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,119
viewed the LIKE i know was doing that for The.

1139
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,079
Speaker 2: Hawks but he doesn't have necessarily a.

1140
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 1: Superpower and like the room projection Of clinging being this

1141
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,400
defensive base For, portland there's not being said though if

1142
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,599
you look and, said we Like edie's more offensively dynamic

1143
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,840
or someone Was resche because clean can't catch your, pass

1144
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,599
can't finish around the.

1145
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: BASKET i totally get.

1146
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: It it's like you, said they're ten names you probably

1147
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,000
could have slotted into. Here speaking of ten, names we

1148
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,599
get to my all rookie. Teams my first team Is,

1149
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:41,719
Well's Steph, Castle Donovan, CLINGON i Had Resis shame And

1150
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,320
edie Round.

1151
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: UP i don't know if there's any notes. THERE i am.

1152
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,320
CURIOUS i don't know What recis.

1153
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,119
Speaker 1: Says shielding is either my second Team eves Mec Kyle,

1154
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:54,440
philipowski Khalil, Ware Madis, Buzzellis Alex. SAR i Think Eves

1155
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,920
meci's case is probably the strongest of anyone on this

1156
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,800
because he's been doing it all, year AND i think

1157
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,000
where he really, improved even if he wanted him to

1158
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,760
do some of the traditional big man stuff. Better we'll

1159
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,119
see whether this matters, anymore but like he really learned

1160
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,840
how to play in less than ideal, spacing and also

1161
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,199
Alongside Zion, williamson it's like, that you, know to do

1162
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,280
that kind of midstream when he was where he kind

1163
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,000
of broke out While zion was injured. BIG i think

1164
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,360
you could make the case that. In David locke of

1165
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,360
The Locked on podcast network already has That Kyle philipowski

1166
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,000
is the best offensive rookie of the. Year just the,

1167
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:29,159
passing the touch from the, outside the movement he can

1168
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:29,920
bring the ball up the.

1169
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: FLOOR i think he's been.

1170
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: Great the only other rookie to match his effective field

1171
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,000
goal percentage while taking as many threes Is Chet. Holmgren

1172
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,599
so that's Big matus bruzellis better shooter THAN i, expected

1173
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,960
slightly better passer at least when you're kind of looking

1174
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,599
at the real THAN i, expected and then way better

1175
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,039
just like defensively he can do some big man stuff

1176
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,920
even though like he more so profiles as a wing.

1177
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,519
Sar this is the name That i've seen a lot

1178
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,400
of people leave. Off that's sort of The castle case to,

1179
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,679
me WHERE i just find value in the. Volume is

1180
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,119
he just he played a? Ton he wasn't in the best.

1181
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,000
Setting there is no a plus playmaker at any point

1182
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,039
this year on The Washington, wizards and so, like even

1183
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:08,960
when he's being set, up is he gonna be in

1184
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:09,519
these ideal?

1185
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:10,199
Speaker 2: Situations?

1186
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,559
Speaker 1: Now he was like they were kind of forcing, him

1187
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:15,400
AND i think that makes, sense is, like, no you're

1188
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,880
not gonna they let him. Explore but as an, Example

1189
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Zach edie had more made unassisted two point field goals

1190
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,960
Than Alex aar this, year which is just kind of

1191
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,679
weird when you look at their situations to think. About,

1192
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,880
also here is the stuff that stood. Out he went

1193
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,199
through stretches where he's shot really well from three this.

1194
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,440
Year we me and you have talked about the defensive.

1195
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,400
PLAYMAKING i think is he gets stronger and even smarter

1196
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,440
that he's gonning to be a pretty viable defensive. ANCHOR

1197
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,559
i think the passing is the thing THAT i just

1198
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,679
didn't understand about, him like the ability to bring the

1199
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,559
ball up the, floor seeing things from a, standstill even

1200
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,239
some live dribble. Stuff and so, grant here's every rookie

1201
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,599
to have one hundred plus, blocks assists and made threes

1202
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,280
in a. Season Chet, Holgren Victor wimanyama And alex are

1203
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,039
to an extent not nearly as. Efficient BUT i remain

1204
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:03,960
and this is the Question i'll get as you go

1205
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,440
through your all rookie. Teams i'll let you ask me

1206
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,800
any questions about. Mine first is Just i'm kind of

1207
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,519
wondering if you're redrafting a twenty twenty four class with

1208
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,960
the goal of not taking the best player from this,

1209
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,159
season but who your highest on long. TERM i wanted to,

1210
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:17,719
know like who you would take number one.

1211
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Overall just thinking about what's like highest ceiling basically.

1212
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i think this year in FILVE i mean if

1213
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,159
you want to Say Red, shepherd BECAUSE i might still

1214
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,280
if it was, ME i might still Take Reed.

1215
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,599
Speaker 2: SHEPHARD i certainly won't Take Cody. Williams i'll tell you that.

1216
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: Much but like base of, course off what you've seen this,

1217
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,360
year has it changed your like would you just Take resache?

1218
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: Again is It? Sar is It?

1219
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: CASTLE i THINK i think it's Just, Castle and that's

1220
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,800
pricing in that the floor is really low because he

1221
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,800
was a deeply damaging player this year because of the

1222
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,599
inefficient scoring and the ways that you can guard him

1223
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:54,239
with guys that like you just don't have to worry

1224
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,199
about him as a as an off ball. PLAYER i

1225
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,800
just Think castle has like all the other ingredients you'd

1226
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,719
want in like a star guard slash. Wing so but

1227
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,840
then to your, Point sar would rank pretty high on

1228
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,079
that list, too even with because it's making me feel

1229
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,800
guilty for, like BECAUSE I i think he is kind

1230
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,719
of the big guy version Of castle because the the

1231
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,199
two point finishing is just like historically. Terrible BUT I

1232
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,639
i just excuse the inefficiency For castle AND i didn't For,

1233
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,079
Sar SO i FEEL i feel Like sar might still

1234
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:29,760
be the correct number two. Pick you, KNOW i wouldn't

1235
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,199
be like shocked by.

1236
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:33,199
Speaker 1: THAT i think there's a version where if neither of

1237
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,639
those players hits their anything close to their best case,

1238
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:37,920
outcomes Then sar is just the better player to.

1239
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: Have he feels maybe scale two different roles. BETTER i

1240
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,920
mentioned Khlil ware and this is What i'll throw it to.

1241
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,119
You i'm not gonna.

1242
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,519
Speaker 1: LIE i was kind of bullied into this without anyone

1243
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:48,119
bullying me into.

1244
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,119
Speaker 2: It everyone else has. HIM i watch. HIM i don't see.

1245
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 1: IT i probably would prefer to put Bub, carrington BUT

1246
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,239
i do look at the two point finishing being a lob,

1247
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,960
threat just the idea of the shooting touch even though

1248
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,599
the percentages don't. Align SO i get, it BUT i

1249
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,559
don't see. IT i put him on second team, anyway

1250
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,239
And i'll as we did.

1251
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,039
Speaker 3: That, yeah SO i had him as a second team

1252
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,360
or so my first. Team uh Wells, castle reesa CHE

1253
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,599
i did Have. Edie it was tough between him And.

1254
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,559
Clinging you kind of you, know illustrated some of the.

1255
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:21,000
DIFFERENCES i feel Like edie is just more Mobile edie

1256
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,199
DOES i think project as someone who might have more offensive,

1257
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,760
value and that's accounting for cling and just being such

1258
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,920
a load on the offensive. Boards Like edie's actually phenomen

1259
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,960
like that's a borderline superpower for him. TOO i just

1260
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,079
Threw jared mccainnon on, There, dan because, uh this rookie

1261
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,079
class was not great and he was clearly the best

1262
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,679
one in it until he got. Hurt and that's, enough

1263
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,639
if not enough most. Years but if you're not gonna

1264
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,920
put the games played limit on me for this, category

1265
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,679
Then i'm just gonna pick the guy that was running

1266
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,639
away With rookie of The year before got.

1267
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,639
Speaker 1: Hurt by the, way there's no when it comes to

1268
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:56,599
six man All rookie And rookie of The year as

1269
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:58,840
you are not beholden to the game's minimum FOR i

1270
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,639
don't necessarily under stand.

1271
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: It, Weird, yeah it's. Weird Uh so my second TEAM

1272
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,679
i Had, CLINGING i Had, BIZELLS i had where AND

1273
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,239
i acknowledge all the things you mentioned about where it's

1274
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,599
a tools play it's like he's that, big he's that.

1275
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:17,320
Athletic maybe he can shoot. It, defensively he's got miles

1276
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,920
to go in terms of like diagnosing what is happening

1277
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:21,719
and where to be and when to be, there that

1278
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,679
kind of. Stuff but he's a rookie and playing defense

1279
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,079
as a rookie is. Hard mesi's, THERE i threw my,

1280
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:31,440
Guy quinton Post on. There my, GOD i think he's

1281
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,360
he's he's everybody's.

1282
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,039
Speaker 1: Guy doesn't he kind of look Like Donovan clinging try

1283
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:36,599
to be incognito at like.

1284
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,599
Speaker 3: It's like a is that beard glued on in the?

1285
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,880
Picture AS i was just, saying, man If Donovan kling

1286
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,800
could shoot Like Quinton, posts he would have been a

1287
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,360
number one. Pick i'll tell you. That UH A post

1288
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,519
does have a. Superpower he is one of the best

1289
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:53,719
shooters in THE nba at any position. Period now he's

1290
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,119
not coming off the, dribble but as a ketch and shoot,

1291
00:56:56,159 --> 00:57:00,320
guy he's just a legit forty percent plus Shoot AND

1292
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,800
i think that's a real. Thing. Uh AND i think

1293
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,599
that does really. MATTER i think in a normal, year

1294
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,320
you'd be like. Cool so he's Like Mike muscala or you,

1295
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,119
know LIKE i. Don't it's not that interesting to.

1296
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,039
Speaker 1: ME i think he's got a gonna trade the next

1297
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:14,639
of Eas you're gonna trade zobots for.

1298
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,599
Speaker 3: Him that's so funny THAT i CAN'T i still can't

1299
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,320
think of zubots without thinking Of Mike, Muscala like it's

1300
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,880
just that's for ever gonna.

1301
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Be it's like The nuggets kind of never giving a

1302
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,559
real chance To Isaia hartnerstide Or jay Huff, well.

1303
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: Do you also think About Donovan mitchell when you bring

1304
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:34,079
up The? Nuggets because that Was mitchell For Trey, lyles

1305
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,079
remember that On draft?

1306
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Night like what in that alternate really like what happens

1307
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,199
with Like Jamal murray and, LIKE i don't, know that's

1308
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:42,719
another fun.

1309
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: One, YEAH i don't.

1310
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: Know i'd like to find out, Personally, uh it would

1311
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,800
have been more helpful Than Trey. LYLES i, think just

1312
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,559
just to put a just a little a Little homer

1313
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,679
button on, post there's a little tiny bit of, like

1314
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,639
oh he kind of like sees passing angles just like

1315
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,159
once in a, while and, like oh he knows where guys,

1316
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,119
are which is like that might not seem like a big,

1317
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,159
deal but for a, rookie big, guy that's basically a.

1318
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,840
SPECIALIST i think there's a tiny bit more that like

1319
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,159
in terms of just like feel and and like, DEFENSIVELY

1320
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,559
i don't know what the ceiling is just because he's

1321
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,360
not strong enough and it's just hard for him to

1322
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,440
like hold up. Underneath but there's more than Just, oh

1323
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,840
he's gonna come in and play twelve minutes and maybe

1324
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,960
hit four threes and maybe, not and that's his.

1325
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: Contribution you will be vindicated if he is able to

1326
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,719
stay on the floor at any point against The. Rockets

1327
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,920
BUT i will SAY i DON'T i don't think he's good,

1328
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,320
defensively but he's been better as like the vertical rim

1329
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,440
protector who you can't have him like shimmying around and make.

1330
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,280
It but his rim production numbers also aren't. TERRIBLE i

1331
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,880
expected him to be Like towns level with that, stuff

1332
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,239
and The warriors have streamwlined what he, does of, Course

1333
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,280
but SO i, mean if you can stay on the

1334
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,320
floor for ANY i don't care how, bad and, like

1335
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,840
if you're able to stay on the floor your team

1336
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,840
feels that they need to play you as a rookie

1337
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,840
in the playing game or the playoff, series you're you're vindicated.

1338
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,119
Speaker 3: There this is the most grizzy old coach ass THING

1339
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,199
i may have ever. Said but, LIKE i don't think

1340
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,960
he's just seven feet tall and can. SHOOT i think

1341
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,840
HE'S i think there's a basketball player in. THERE i

1342
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,159
think like the way he executes dribble handoffs is, like,

1343
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,079
hmm there's kind of that looks.

1344
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,719
Speaker 1: Natural this is all to, say can we get rid

1345
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,840
of second Team All rookie and get either a fourth

1346
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,199
Team ALL nba or third Team All, YEAH i don't need.

1347
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,719
Speaker 3: Sex look what we're talking about right.

1348
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: Now next up this is can you take us through

1349
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,639
our most improved?

1350
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: Player since it's the.

1351
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: Game so we both Got mobile number, one we both

1352
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,719
Got caid number, two AND i think we arrived there

1353
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:40,519
similarly by valuing like high level improvements that are consequential

1354
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,199
and like pretty you, Know caide's. Harder mobile's, like, well

1355
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,599
he've shot threes more and, better and he learned how

1356
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,599
to drive really hard and he couldn't do that. Before

1357
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:51,800
like that's, okay and he's great and he's An ALL nba.

1358
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: Player he was good enough.

1359
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:54,679
Speaker 1: To where The cavs had to find a way to

1360
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:56,920
take away usage From Darius garland And Donovan.

1361
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: Mitchell that, Yeah SO i, MEAN i don't know What

1362
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,039
i'll to. Say cunningham just made the leap to like

1363
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:04,440
he was not An All star and then he, was

1364
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,280
in one fell, swoop An All, star An ALL nba.

1365
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,639
Speaker 2: Player CAN i interject there for a, second BECAUSE i.

1366
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 1: Do it fits the consequence where it's like this guy

1367
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,760
went from even call him An All star beforehand to

1368
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,559
LIKE i considered him he was one of the guys

1369
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:18,440
THAT i circled for fifth spot on MY mvp. Ballot

1370
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,480
that being, SAID i think.

1371
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: People were too low On cunningham to begin with.

1372
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,639
Speaker 1: That his performance this season has almost become, outsized not

1373
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:28,440
relative to its, impact but to how good he already,

1374
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,880
Was like the, defense the, rebounding even like kind of

1375
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,559
the the nose for getting the team out in. TRANSITION

1376
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,800
i get it all like when you're kind of digging

1377
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,079
into the stuff THAT i wanted him to improve upon the,

1378
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:42,400
most like he's incrementally better at that rather than, oh

1379
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,079
like he just made this Like larry market inside, jump

1380
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,079
even A mobley size jump in those.

1381
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,039
Speaker 3: Areas, YEAH i think for him, TOO i think you're,

1382
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,159
right and credit to you for being like a little

1383
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:54,239
bit of an early cade adopter or like you were

1384
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:55,880
a little you were higher on. HIM i think that

1385
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,800
consensus and that turned out to be. Right but, like

1386
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,119
did you see the post up stat for? HIM i

1387
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,440
think it Was Fred katz at some point this year

1388
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:07,800
for the Athletic he's just like he's not necessarily scoring

1389
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,920
that much in post, ups but when he posts, up

1390
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,559
like the points per play is just higher than, like you,

1391
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,960
Know jokic or anybody But jokic or. Whatever so that's

1392
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,480
a huge point of. Growth and, DEFENSIVELY i don't think

1393
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,440
it's like it's you, know out of bounds to say

1394
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,440
like he's a huge factor In detroit being a good.

1395
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,760
Defense it's not Just Asar. Thompson it's not just Like

1396
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,559
beef Stew it's not He, like he really is a

1397
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:35,519
huge reason why The pistons are good, Defensively and, LIKE

1398
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,800
i DON'T i don't think last year you would have been, like,

1399
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,039
Well kate Is kid's the only reason they're like getting,

1400
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:40,840
By like that's not.

1401
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,159
Speaker 1: It, NO i mean just the level of the only

1402
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:44,920
THING i would edit that the like the it's not

1403
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,559
that he's good defensively and they're insulating. Him it's he's

1404
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:50,239
good defensively and sometimes he's not good but when you

1405
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:51,719
look at who he has to guard a lot of the,

1406
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,639
time like they're not hiding, Him SO i think that's important.

1407
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: Too So i've Got Dyson. DANIELS i don't love that.

1408
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:02,480
PICK i Just i'll just like he became we knew

1409
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,480
he was a good or like an interesting defender that

1410
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,719
was very limited, offensively he became a great defender that

1411
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:12,199
there are some uses now, offensively like the floater. Stuff

1412
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,719
he still doesn't really get guarded, offensively but like he's

1413
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:18,960
SOMEONE i think now that look he. Was he wasn't

1414
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,360
a throw, in but it was like nobody at the

1415
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,760
time other than like total, diehards were, LIKE i don't,

1416
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,880
KNOW i kind of like what the hawkscott and The murray,

1417
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,679
deal whatever you thought About. Murray he's just become a

1418
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,760
great defender that has value on, offense and he was

1419
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,199
like interesting and didn't have offensive value. Before so it's

1420
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,440
kind of a little bit of a two way.

1421
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,159
Speaker 1: Improvement, yeah and, look this is WHAT i struggle, with

1422
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:42,920
BUT i think like for most improved for, me you

1423
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,960
mentioned it being, consequential And i'm ALWAYS i used to

1424
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,679
feel bad ABOUT i wouldn't pick a second year player

1425
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,079
AND i don't Have Christian brown on here Because i'm

1426
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,840
reticent to even pick a third year player at this

1427
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,039
point BECAUSE i do think they're supposed to, improve AND

1428
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:57,199
i think people have kind of overblown this award has

1429
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,480
just become the guy who signed a max contract getting.

1430
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,960
Better go look through who, won and the instances of

1431
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,079
that are just not Like tyre's.

1432
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,119
Speaker 2: Maxie when he won, it.

1433
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 1: He was not my, pick to be, Clear like he

1434
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,079
wasn't even on HIS mac contract yet he didn't sign the.

1435
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,960
Extension So i'm trying to look at it as just

1436
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,000
like these mid career, leaps or even if you're going From,

1437
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,559
Okay i'm in my fourth year AND i went from

1438
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:19,400
Fringe All star TO mvp, candidate those are going to

1439
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,559
be more meaningful to me then if you The dyce

1440
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,679
And daniel, stuff the Tie i've seen everyone, say, man

1441
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:25,599
if Ty jerome and, qualified he would have won. It

1442
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,280
my whole thing IS i think it'd be cool to

1443
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,599
Have who's the Most Surprising player award BECAUSE i Think

1444
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,039
Dyson daniels might. Fit i'm not when you're at number,

1445
01:03:33,199 --> 01:03:34,960
no one remembers who finishes second.

1446
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,639
Speaker 3: Right AND i already SAID i don't feel good about,

1447
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:38,840
it RIGHT i like your pick better than. Mine for number,

1448
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:39,639
THREE i went With.

1449
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:41,639
Speaker 1: Zoobots we got into a lot of the defensive stuff,

1450
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:43,719
already but he just leveled up in every. Area, like,

1451
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,400
no he's not chucking, threes but like when you're looking

1452
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,960
at him being able to score in the, post the

1453
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,519
stuff he, does is it a hook, shot is it

1454
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,960
a flip? SHOT i have no idea the screen setting

1455
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,159
being able to just even run the. Floor he's had

1456
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:55,559
a shoulder some more self created, load like not a,

1457
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,719
ton but just like having that volume go, up and

1458
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,840
his numbers are like for you, KNOW i mean counting stats,

1459
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,199
people but his career high before this season was averaging

1460
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,920
like eleven point six points per. Game at eleven point,

1461
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,039
seven he jumped to sixteen point. Eight this is someone

1462
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,400
remember people, wondered, hey is he ever gonna be able

1463
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,199
to be effective if they did play him more than

1464
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:17,760
twenty five twenty seven minutes a. Game uh, yeah because

1465
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,039
he's he played almost thirty three per game this year

1466
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:21,199
for one of the best defenses in the.

1467
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: League and like he never missed games. Either THAT'S i,

1468
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:24,559
mean that's the.

1469
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,679
Speaker 2: Thing eighty games played into That like that's an.

1470
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: Aberration SO i think you could go a number of

1471
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,760
different areas here for number, three AND i don't like

1472
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:33,880
you could go a number of different.

1473
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,559
Speaker 2: Areas who do you think is gonna win?

1474
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: It? Uh I'M i don't know what The actually this

1475
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,079
is a great question BECAUSE i don't know what the

1476
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,519
betting odds. ARE i Think cad will probably win, it don't.

1477
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,000
YOU i THINK i think it's gonna Be cad Or

1478
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,920
dyson is gonna be the. Winner, YEAH i need to

1479
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,920
say all those people are wrong because they didn't agree

1480
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,639
with us some other you want to throw out like

1481
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,280
a handful of, names because there's so LIKE i THINK

1482
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,679
i agree with you on like the Tie jerome of it,

1483
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,880
All like if you're talking about, BIGGEST i don't know most,

1484
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,760
surprising or like like most, growth which is seems the

1485
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,800
same as most. Improved but like if you take out

1486
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,280
the like level like for THE a TO, b like

1487
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,920
did you go from good to great or? Whatever Like

1488
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,360
jerome went from like he maybe doesn't have a career

1489
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,440
to he's playing.

1490
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:19,119
Speaker 2: How much The cavs can't afford to keep him this.

1491
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,519
Speaker 3: Summer, Yeah, so like there's different levels to, it and

1492
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:23,519
you can throw a million guys in, there Like brown

1493
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:25,719
And pritchard and who else DO i Have?

1494
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: PRITCHARD i had fourth AND i almost put him. THIRD

1495
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,119
i just, struggled and it was the same thing when

1496
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:34,719
we're gonna get into six men of the. Year it's

1497
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,480
how consequential is it when he's not someone who is

1498
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:38,199
likely to close.

1499
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: Games that's more of A celtics, thing but a perfect.

1500
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:44,119
Speaker 1: Example he's on his second contract and it's just as

1501
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:46,719
an offensive rebounder is like everyone talks about the, shooting

1502
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,920
like the, finishing the.

1503
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: Passing he he.

1504
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,519
Speaker 1: Probably would have been like if there was a Most

1505
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:53,679
Surprising player, AWARD i guess Tied jerome would have wanted

1506
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:55,599
or dice and deb but like he's in he kind

1507
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:57,280
of he could have won either version of this.

1508
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,599
Speaker 2: AWARD i think like he's been that.

1509
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:03,199
Speaker 3: Good, Yeah Danny Avdia tyler Hero, LIKE i, mean THE

1510
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,719
obda thing is like beware of The portland the late

1511
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,800
Season portland player. Surge BUT i think and ALSO i

1512
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,840
think he was pretty high and most improved last, Year

1513
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,039
so that's always a weird thing when guys like back

1514
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:16,679
to back, it, uh BUT i Think obdia is. Whatever

1515
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,960
we can have A Danny avda podcast at some point he's.

1516
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: Great my actual two picks for this did not. QUALIFY

1517
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,039
i Think Norman powell Or Trey murphy deserved, it And

1518
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,440
Trey murphy just he needed to play in every game

1519
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,760
to qualify at one point basically. So but The Norm

1520
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,280
powell one was tough BECAUSE i think he's he's done

1521
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,199
a great deal to improve Six man of The. Year

1522
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:36,440
so we have the same three, candidates just in a different.

1523
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:37,679
Speaker 2: ORDER i Have.

1524
01:06:37,679 --> 01:06:41,239
Speaker 1: Malik beasley number, One DeAndre hunter number, Two Peyton pritchard number.

1525
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,519
Three you Have pritchard, One beasley, Two DeAndre hunter. THREE

1526
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,639
i JUST i Think Malik beasley's Been this is not

1527
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:50,960
the thing people point, to but he's been better defensively

1528
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,320
the past two years than he's ever really been credit.

1529
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: For but the three point, shooting.

1530
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,159
Speaker 1: The, spacing some of the shots he could take off the,

1531
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,920
dribble he really opens Up detroit's. Flour so he kind

1532
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,440
of felt like the guy who IT'S i like to be, like,

1533
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,639
Well i'm not just the conventional Sixth man of The

1534
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:07,840
year candidate, guy but he's, that and then he's also

1535
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,320
a little bit.

1536
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 2: More so that's why he got it for.

1537
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: Me, YEAH i Went pritchard, one although you're making a

1538
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,239
great case that like one between the like doesn't close

1539
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:23,639
and between and, alongside Like beasley really does do things

1540
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:27,039
that unlock offensive options for The pistons that just don't

1541
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:29,440
exist if he's not in the, game Whereas pritchard is, like,

1542
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,000
YEAH i mean he's he just comes in and smokes,

1543
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:34,760
backups but like he really smokes the backups like. That

1544
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:40,000
he's so. Good he's another guy, who LIKE i don't

1545
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,840
THINK i can't knock him for not closing for The, Celtics, like,

1546
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,159
yeah because he closes FOR i don't know how many other,

1547
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:47,880
teams but it's a.

1548
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:48,199
Speaker 2: Lot.

1549
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: So and then we both Had. HUNTER i think the

1550
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,559
most impressive thing For hunter is that he did it

1551
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:55,760
basically for two different, teams and the second one was

1552
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,719
really really, good and that mattered. MORE i think had

1553
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,960
tol him down. Offensively, yeah, no HE i THINK i

1554
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,480
think you. Could we could quibble over the, order but to,

1555
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,239
me this is this should be the top. Three LIKE

1556
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,480
I i, mean we'll talk about some other. Names you

1557
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,239
have more THAN i, do but but this feels.

1558
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 1: Right, YEAH i think, look we could go Towards, Nick Alexander,

1559
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,840
Walker Scottie Pippen junior Kars lavert for much of the,

1560
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,359
Season Ty. Jerome since there's not a minutes cap. Here

1561
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,760
sante Al dama been really good this. Year also Nas,

1562
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,000
reed who did he win it last? YEAR i think

1563
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,600
we both had him number, one the winner of? It,

1564
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,279
yeah so, ye he could have. Repeated BUT i do

1565
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:34,880
think these are the. Three is there who would be

1566
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,520
the fourth most compelling candidate for?

1567
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,119
Speaker 3: YOU i THINK i Had pippen in the top three

1568
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:44,239
at points this. YEAR i think he really is a

1569
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,159
starter that like is just he plays Behind John rain

1570
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:50,119
he starts now That Jalen wells is, HURT i, LIKE

1571
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,119
i like him the best. There although if this is

1572
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,000
another one where it's, like are we overthinking it by

1573
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,960
not just, saying Nas, REED i think we're overthinking everything

1574
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:01,960
safe to say that's the whole point of.

1575
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,079
Speaker 2: This can you take us through coach of the? Year?

1576
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 3: Sure uh, so let's see we both Have Kenny atkinson at.

1577
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,520
One it's the, case is what it? Like he just

1578
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,039
shows up and the team's got the best offense in

1579
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:18,520
the league and the talent is mostly the. Same that

1580
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,319
does overlook the fact That Darius garland was healthy AND

1581
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:25,119
mobilei got, better BUT i don't, KNOW i feel like

1582
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,279
it's hard to argue against him just because of the

1583
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,000
level The cavs got. To and it's just, again it's the,

1584
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:33,840
good it's the very good to great, leap which is

1585
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,000
like we always just reward that a little bit. More

1586
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,000
you've got Bigger staff, Two i've Got Mark. Dagnault to

1587
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,840
Bicker staff's case is like his team tripled its win.

1588
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,720
Total do we need to discuss anything?

1589
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,199
Speaker 1: Else, well they've actually been like the offensive, stuff because

1590
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:50,560
they're still if he. THERE i, mean they've been one

1591
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,319
of the best teams after. Timeouts but do you look

1592
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,399
at this the personnel on that team and, say, oh,

1593
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,239
yeah they definitely were gonna be a top ten defense

1594
01:09:57,319 --> 01:09:58,199
or even had a chance of.

1595
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 3: Being oh, god, no, no no, chance like just, No

1596
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,479
like how many OF. Sr thompson's did they? Clone would

1597
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,359
be my would be my question with a.

1598
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: QUESTION i also thought he.

1599
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: Did AND i Think Holland Ron holland the seconded up

1600
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,640
playing all eighty two, games, right like the fact that

1601
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,279
he was still able the pistons were good and he

1602
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:17,239
was still able to sprinkle in like real developmental reps

1603
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:18,880
or something like. THAT i just thought he did a

1604
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,600
really good job this, year, ye well and during got

1605
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,960
Better Jalen jalen during got, Better.

1606
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:29,279
Speaker 3: But like at, best he's like he's a complicated defensive.

1607
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: Figure i'm already calling. IT i Think i'm gonna hate

1608
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,079
the extension that he winds up.

1609
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:37,359
Speaker 3: Siding put a pin in that. One Uh SO i

1610
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,760
went With Dagnall like it's a little bit of like

1611
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,319
we always just decide we can't discuss the guy that

1612
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:45,760
already won. It Uh, SO i think that's kind of.

1613
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,520
Silly but like the injuries to start the year required

1614
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,800
some pretty real ingenuity and the just the defensive level he's,

1615
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,680
got like the personnel is, Awesome like there's no denying

1616
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,479
that he's been dealta he got dealt the, nuts like

1617
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,399
his hand is, great but like the defensive buy, in

1618
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,600
the defensive. Intensity, OFFENSIVELY i don't, know you can poke

1619
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,600
poke holes in the, like, well what about When shay

1620
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,399
is not on the, Floor, LIKE i don't, know they're

1621
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:14,800
doing the best they can with with.

1622
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: When it's two of their three other best offense Like

1623
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,399
ja dubb isak pretty, good they have the equivalent of

1624
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:22,840
like a top two offense.

1625
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,520
Speaker 3: Then, Right so that's JUST i think he needs to be.

1626
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,319
There we both had tyleru, third which was NOT i

1627
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,680
don't think we had him top three at any point

1628
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,119
earlier in the, year and it just became undeniable because

1629
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:37,600
The clippers are top ten and offensive defense after the,

1630
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,199
break and, like he's just a great.

1631
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: Coach you figure out a way to Make Ben simmons

1632
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,439
as basically your big work in minutes With Derek jones,

1633
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,359
junior you might as, well maybe he should Win coach

1634
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:46,560
of the.

1635
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,359
Speaker 3: Year well and navigate the early season Without kawhi. Coach

1636
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,159
whatever the hell has happened To zubots out Of zubats Like.

1637
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:58,359
Powell powell's suddenly like has the craziest late career leap

1638
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:02,000
we've ever. Seen harden is you get through a year Without, harden,

1639
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:05,399
LIKE i don't know what they, can't you, know credit

1640
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,359
him for, durability but, like didn't hear a peep of

1641
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,439
like dissatisfaction or, alwa he's not in, Shape Like harden

1642
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,039
just had a, good good year and and that offense

1643
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,199
did not have any business being as good as it,

1644
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:17,319
was AND i don't think the defense did, Either so,

1645
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,239
well maybe maybe the defense, did but, well.

1646
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,359
Speaker 1: You know what the Key i've heard sources have told

1647
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:25,640
me the key To James harden's durability and performance this.

1648
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,000
Season inside The Inwit, dome they actually have a champagne,

1649
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:29,399
room so he.

1650
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: Doesn't even need to.

1651
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:32,119
Speaker 1: Leave is he could show, up get in the champagne,

1652
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,680
room get his training in and everything same. Location, smart very,

1653
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,479
good very, good everyone's favorite. Award actually think this is

1654
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,039
the one people care about the least executive of the.

1655
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:42,359
Speaker 3: YEAR i beg the.

1656
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: Difference, LOOK i understand people are gonna Pick Rob, polinka

1657
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:48,439
who Got.

1658
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,239
Speaker 2: LUKADANCIC i just don't know how to. Weigh, okay you Got.

1659
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: Lukadancic but the best thing you did in that trade

1660
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,399
was keep it a. SECRET i guess because you make

1661
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,199
that trade eleven times out of.

1662
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:00,079
Speaker 2: Ten now you.

1663
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,239
Speaker 1: Could point too he didn't negotiate because they didn't give

1664
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:04,359
up all their first round. PICKS i also think The

1665
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,760
lakers nailed some other, moves THE Jj reddick higher for,

1666
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:08,880
one and then The.

1667
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: Dorrian Phinney smith.

1668
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,319
Speaker 1: Addition but that's the player who saved their, Season Like

1669
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:15,199
luca comes, in raises your playoff. Ceiling they traded For

1670
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:18,079
Dorian Finney smith and like the load that he's had

1671
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,520
to carry defensively and he just bombing threes for, Them

1672
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,239
SO i have him, Second BUT i Have Sam. PRESTY

1673
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,600
i just you look at the smaller, stuff The Aaron

1674
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,159
wiggins And Isaiah joe. Contracts you Turned Josh giddy winds

1675
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,159
up having a pretty good season for The bulls Into

1676
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,600
Alex carus was not playing a ton for, you but just, like,

1677
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,760
oh just another all defense type player under our tool.

1678
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,880
Belt here Getting Isaiah hartenstein in the first, place and

1679
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,800
we kind of we did forget WHERE i forgot it

1680
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,159
when we were regrading the last trade, deadline The Gordon

1681
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,600
hayward trade didn't work, out but you weren't just making

1682
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,239
that trade For Gordon. Hayward you made it so that

1683
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:52,600
you could clear space that allows you to then go

1684
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,399
Sign Isaiah, hartenstein who proves even more critical because of

1685
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,319
the time that Chet holmgrin. MISSED i know some of it,

1686
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:01,479
overlapped but so just a plus across the board for.

1687
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,960
Him THEN i Have trajan langdon to where like The

1688
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:06,840
pistons moves, WERE i guess his biggest move would be

1689
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,199
drafting like that in front, office Drafting Ron hollid and

1690
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:11,920
it probably wasn't their, best but like Getting Malik, beasley

1691
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:13,600
changing the, culture HIRING.

1692
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,319
Speaker 2: Jb bickers.

1693
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: Staff, YEAH i think preserving using your cap space to

1694
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,880
Get Dennis shrewder to where you've helped the non k

1695
01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:21,720
minutes and also found a way to Give caid some

1696
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,720
in game. Breaks there just a lot of good stuff

1697
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,119
from The. Pistons, yeah your top three or WHO.

1698
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,399
Speaker 3: I Have Sam presty one for all the reasons he.

1699
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,359
Said Aj mitchell. WAS i, mean he got, hurt so

1700
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:33,439
everybody's forgotten about, him but he was looking he was

1701
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,479
gonna make an all rookie, team just like where do

1702
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,000
you were drafting guys out OF Uc Santa. BARBARA i

1703
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:39,760
think that's where it came.

1704
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: From BUT i got killed for this WHEN i did

1705
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,600
a twenty twenty four. REDRAFT i don't know if it's

1706
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,239
still this because he just hasn't played so. MUCH i

1707
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:47,840
would TAKE Aj mitchell the lottery right, now not Even.

1708
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,520
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah what he did to start when he was

1709
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,680
healthy is. WELL i, mean, again this class is what it.

1710
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:57,760
Is but, YEAH i Have mike Dne. Leavy. SECOND i

1711
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,000
think the moves that he made in the offseason looked really.

1712
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,800
Good remember remember what feels like a thousand years ago

1713
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,439
when we're like this team has fourteen fourteen. Deep they're

1714
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,640
winning with, Defense Buddy healed shooting the shit out of,

1715
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,159
It Kylie anderson Works Dan Anthony mail in perfect pick

1716
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,279
and then that kind of falls, apart and then he

1717
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:17,680
goes and makes The Jimmy butler, trade which, LIKE i

1718
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,479
don't care what you we can never forget like how

1719
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,439
scary that was and how how like really and then

1720
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,920
we're going to extend it and then Like butler turns

1721
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,880
the team into a different, Team like it's just there's

1722
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,079
a before and there's an, after and it was a

1723
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:35,600
bold trade and it was and didn't Give jonathan coming

1724
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,800
to the, extension that's looking smarter every day as he's

1725
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:39,079
out of.

1726
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: The rotation now at the peak of his. Value could

1727
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,000
have traded.

1728
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 3: Him that's true. Too it really does come down TO

1729
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,399
i think he had kind of Two he built two,

1730
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,560
teams and when the first one didn't, work he like

1731
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,279
that construction project did not cost the team assets that

1732
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,479
would have you know that it had the assets still

1733
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,760
because of the first team he built to turn it

1734
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,560
into the second, team and the second team is, Good

1735
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:08,000
so credit him. There polinka's, THIRD i, MEAN i don't

1736
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,159
know what. Else it's like he made the. Trade he

1737
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:12,439
made the trade that that was the defining point of

1738
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,479
the year in the, league and whether it fell into

1739
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,920
his lap or, not it did like he just he made.

1740
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,560
It so, uh that's he's got to be. HERE i

1741
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,560
guess a couple of just you, know all jokes, aside

1742
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,000
like Dal connect was a pretty good pick where he got.

1743
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:29,640
Him if we're just gonna you, know be be fair about,

1744
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:30,680
it he's.

1745
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,039
Speaker 2: Been getting way too much love in all rookie. Discussions i'm, sorry,

1746
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,279
no but like what was he?

1747
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 3: SEVENTEENTH i think that's that's value, there and like he

1748
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,600
did really help early in the year when he was.

1749
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: Hot he almost he almost got The Mark.

1750
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,279
Speaker 3: WILLIAMS i was gonna, say, though like if we if

1751
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:51,880
we're gonna evaluate on the basis of like trades you

1752
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,960
tried to make and then. Didn't The Mark williams TRADE

1753
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,439
i think would have, been, look they need a big,

1754
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,399
guy but the cost was like what like there's you

1755
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,880
can't be given up to first or. Whatever it wasn't

1756
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,279
connected For Mark, Williams so he probably wouldn't have been

1757
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:11,800
top three if the league had not stepped in or

1758
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,760
whoever whoever failed the physical then.

1759
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: How do you reconcile that With dunleavy trying to trade

1760
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,520
For Paul george over the, season.

1761
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: That that was the right non. Move? YEAH i. Can't.

1762
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,159
Speaker 2: Sorry, Also step signed extension this summer.

1763
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:27,520
Speaker 3: Too, Right, well, okay, like, yeah, sure do you really think.

1764
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:29,359
Speaker 1: He would have done that If Mike dunleavy wasn't, There

1765
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,760
that's All i'm. Saying so the award that we don't

1766
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,880
do until the end of the, season but apparently we

1767
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,000
might need to change that next year because people kept

1768
01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:38,960
being mad that we left it out at our quarter check.

1769
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,239
Speaker 2: Ins Futch player of The? Year uh our? Ballots would

1770
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:43,960
you like to take us through?

1771
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:44,159
Speaker 3: Them?

1772
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1773
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,239
Speaker 3: SURE i will just preface this by, saying this is

1774
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:50,319
the AWARD i care the least. About it's, dumb but

1775
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,159
let's do. It so we both Had Jalen brunson, first

1776
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,880
we both Had jokic. SECOND i want to SAY i

1777
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,720
Had brunson first because he had the most clutch points

1778
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,199
AND i think free throws with a positive clutch. Differential

1779
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,119
i've really crunched the numbers on this. ONE i was just, like, okay,

1780
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,359
cool he's and Then jokic just all the numbers are

1781
01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:12,960
still great and he is just undeniably the best like

1782
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:16,239
late game offensive performer orchestrator or whatever that there. IS

1783
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:20,640
i Had Darius garland, THIRD i believe IF i remember

1784
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,840
correctly this, AGAIN i made these picks like a week.

1785
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,680
Ago he just has the highest clutch differential there is

1786
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,800
and he's been super efficient among. Guys it's kind of

1787
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,560
the biggest combo. There brunson's got the volume, Stuff garland

1788
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,119
has the efficiency stuff and the better team, differential and

1789
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:39,000
then you Have. Steph I'M i guess. What i'm not

1790
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,159
going to argue that you Have steph up for an.

1791
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: Award steph like thirty eight usage on sixty true.

1792
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,319
Speaker 1: Shooting JUST i THINK i saw some people Pickture young

1793
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:47,039
because of volume.

1794
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: Stuff the efficiency just wasn't.

1795
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,319
Speaker 1: There And GARLAND i looked at because he was so,

1796
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:54,079
efficient like When Donovan mitchell was clearly their primary.

1797
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: Option was tough for.

1798
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: Me brunts in The brunton case is just like you

1799
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,840
have like a forty three usage rate while being a,

1800
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,840
fit and it makes you think The knicks are headed for,

1801
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:03,720
disaster aren't.

1802
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: They they traded all these.

1803
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: Picks you always think that they remade their roster and

1804
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,439
gave up all these estas just so.

1805
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,039
Speaker 2: Gealing they could be just the, Right, like, jeez.

1806
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have to do this is what you're, saying

1807
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:18,000
Hunch player of The, Year John.

1808
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: BRUTS i Think jokic we? Do we did we Picked

1809
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,920
steph last? Year or was It jokic that we?

1810
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,039
Speaker 2: Picked? Well demartarrow is in probably factor in.

1811
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:27,199
Speaker 1: There there Was jokic has been like ever since the

1812
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:29,479
award cropped. UP i think he's always finished in the top.

1813
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 3: Three for, me do you think this award will be

1814
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,680
around in ten? Years will it?

1815
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: Exist honestly based off our comments?

1816
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 3: Section, yes why do people care about?

1817
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: THIS i, mean in theory it's, fun but it's like

1818
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:44,920
it you're, saying what can we.

1819
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,039
Speaker 3: Make up an award for the player who's the best

1820
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,439
between minute twelve and minute eight of the second? Quarter

1821
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,000
can we just like is that cool? Too what about

1822
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,079
the end of the first? Half that's pretty? Valuable can

1823
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:57,279
we can we make one of those?

1824
01:19:57,359 --> 01:19:59,399
Speaker 2: Up here's the? Thing do you need to? Like what

1825
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,359
are the? Requires mister clutch player of The? Year can

1826
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:05,520
we have Picked Ti? JEROME i feel like.

1827
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,239
Speaker 3: We should have had an honorable mention for every award

1828
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:11,279
For Ti. Jerome he probably would have ranked high in clutch,

1829
01:20:11,279 --> 01:20:13,640
play although how much clutch time did he? Get that's

1830
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:14,840
that's the THING i.

1831
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,520
Speaker 2: DIDN'T i. DIDN'T i honestly don't.

1832
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,319
Speaker 1: REMEMBER i don't, apologize but, LOOK i Think brunton's gonna win,

1833
01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:22,319
it right because some of our picks have diverged FROM

1834
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:22,560
i think.

1835
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Consensus this one feels fatal.

1836
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:27,079
Speaker 3: Complete, YEAH i mean, SURE i won't.

1837
01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:29,560
Speaker 1: Care are you ready to get into the made up

1838
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,199
awards from our listeners that they want to talk? About all,

1839
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:36,399
right so we kick things off with best finisher under six.'

1840
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,000
five so my valid is our bouts basically, the same

1841
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:41,880
just the way that this is gonna. Shake out it's

1842
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,039
Called The Kyrie, irving Award And kyrie irving's gonna win

1843
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:46,920
it for me because he's. Still There, JOHN moran i

1844
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,920
think you would want the efficiency to be better, from

1845
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,800
him but the degree of difficulty on the things that

1846
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,640
he tries is.

1847
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 2: Just Forever.

1848
01:20:54,079 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: Peyton pritchard i've seen people Call Him. Caucasian kyrie there's

1849
01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:02,560
he's he's got something.

1850
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,039
Speaker 2: Daring due to.

1851
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: His handles he's shooting seventy five percent at the rim

1852
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,880
and there are some tricky. Finishes THERE but i think

1853
01:21:07,159 --> 01:21:09,560
he probably Benefits from. Boston spacing the.

1854
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: Other candidate we have here is how do you Feel About.

1855
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,319
Speaker 3: Tyrese maxi he's definitely the fastest finisher under six, Y

1856
01:21:15,359 --> 01:21:16,640
five like he just get.

1857
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,239
Speaker 2: His pack the fastest finisher on the court or.

1858
01:21:21,359 --> 01:21:25,079
Speaker 3: Going on he gets to the. Room quick it's like

1859
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:29,920
The the Moran and kyrie are like in a. SEPARATE

1860
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,760
class i think and AND, and Maxi like Maxi's not

1861
01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:37,479
maxie doesn't have the crazy like, wrong footed like spinning

1862
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,640
it counterclockwise while you, turning clockwise like just the not

1863
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,119
the the up and under morent Hat on gobert the,

1864
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,640
Other day like he's not that kind, of finisher but

1865
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,560
he deserves to be in THE conversation. I would i would, ask,

1866
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,760
Though too pritchard is like a, low key like a

1867
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,039
really mean post. Up player does that count because he

1868
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:57,760
is at the rim when he's just bullying people that

1869
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:58,199
are bigger.

1870
01:21:58,199 --> 01:22:00,520
Speaker 1: Than him it depends on if you want the best

1871
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,199
finisher to be like have these circus wire acts and

1872
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,239
you're probably not gonna. Pick him but if you appreciate

1873
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,319
just efficiency and like degrees, OF difficulty i think he

1874
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:10,279
would at least belong in.

1875
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: The, discussion, sure yeah. That's fair you don't you don't

1876
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:15,039
like the guy that just like bumps someone out of

1877
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:17,319
the way and drop steps and banks it in like

1878
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:18,399
he's playing in nineteen.

1879
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: Fifty five by, the way if we did one for like,

1880
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,039
the floater just are We Is steph curry the best

1881
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:26,119
like floater shooter of? All time like in terms, of

1882
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:29,760
efficiency there's, probably better but he just like sometimes the

1883
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,560
angles and the arcs that. He GETS and i also

1884
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,000
feel like he could be the best finisher at the

1885
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:34,520
rim under six y five if he just wanted.

1886
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,319
Speaker 3: To, be well this is getting back into how we

1887
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:39,039
always used, to joke like this guy's the best at

1888
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:41,920
this range in the league Other. Than steph it's just

1889
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,239
like whatever kind of weird range or weird type of

1890
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:46,720
shot you want to, Make, up like, He's great he's good.

1891
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,399
At it our next category is. The error so these

1892
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,479
next two you're gonna need to explain to the kids.

1893
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 2: At.

1894
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 3: Home, Grant yeah So The Aaron wiggins award is basically,

1895
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,680
the like well you can stop me or or, correct

1896
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,199
me doesn't start or finish or play huge minutes for his.

1897
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,640
OWN team i think we said there was a in the.

1898
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,319
Proposed award there was like a hard cutoff of minutes

1899
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:10,239
twenty or twenty five, or something but basically would for

1900
01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:12,640
like most. Other teams is that a fair assessment? Of,

1901
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,359
It Okay So aeron wiggins Wins The Aeron. Wiggins award,

1902
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,880
he's like he's actually. Really good but he's also one

1903
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,319
of those guys that we, just like we we like as,

1904
01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:25,279
a bit like to talk about a lot how good,

1905
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:27,439
he is but it's like. MOSTLY true i, don't know

1906
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,359
it's not like at the level Of what i'm gonna

1907
01:23:29,359 --> 01:23:32,520
offend people of Like the caleb Or The cody martin's

1908
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,560
Or the duopreats or? Who else do we like always

1909
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,560
have Bits About frank milakeina just. A, bit again he's

1910
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,760
another guy that actually, is good he just never gets

1911
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,399
the chance to. Show it so We have wiggins Winning The.

1912
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:50,000
Wiggins Award Scotty. Pippen JR just i think he just is.

1913
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,800
A starter I think i've already said that in. THIS

1914
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,560
podcast i also Have Teammate, isaiah joe that guy would

1915
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,600
start for a lot. Of teams like he's a really

1916
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,840
great movement shooter. And defensive it's he does take a

1917
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,319
lot of charges that's kind of like the defining feature of.

1918
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:08,000
His defense but he's he's like a, competitive mobile stronger than,

1919
01:24:08,039 --> 01:24:11,479
you think but. Undersize defender You Have, peyton pritchard that's

1920
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,319
probably he might he maybe should just Win The Aaron

1921
01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:16,640
wiggins award because he's just.

1922
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: Worth because, it's like and you could get into This With.

1923
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,039
Speaker 1: Scotty, pippenworts well they just so small that teams would

1924
01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:22,119
prefer to have them come off.

1925
01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:24,359
Speaker 2: The bench. Yeahs a joe picks a good, one too because.

1926
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: HE'LL screen i THOUGHT about i didn't want to pick

1927
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,720
some of the obvious ones Like, nas, Reed RIGHT so

1928
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,279
i didn't want to go. That ROUTE so i was

1929
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:32,880
TRYING and i didn't look at the minutes. Cut off

1930
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,920
SO if i didn't know there was, A maybe, I

1931
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,920
honestly Scotti and peyton they.

1932
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,079
Speaker 2: Might do they even. Caught minute Scotti Should peyton pritcher

1933
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:41,439
might be playing too many minutes. For this, but yeah but.

1934
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 3: He fits he fits though because it's but then again

1935
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,159
we get back into, the, like well there's one team

1936
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:48,399
he doesn't start for or they're twenty seven that. He

1937
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:49,000
would this.

1938
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: Next award might be my favorite because you actually proposed

1939
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,319
it and then proceeded not to have a.

1940
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 2: Battle it initially It's The Jackson.

1941
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 3: Haze award It's The Anti, aaron wiggins which is basically

1942
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,239
like this guy wouldn't start anywhere else or have a

1943
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:06,399
big role, anywhere Else And jackson hayes wins it in

1944
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,399
a landslide because of the award is named. For him it's,

1945
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,479
JUST like, i mean he so he's a decent. RIM

1946
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,840
protector i think he's like sixtieth percentile in terms of

1947
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:21,680
just like block rate and then does suppress some volume

1948
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,560
and efficiency around the room when he's on the floor

1949
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,680
relative to when. He's off he's like a fortieth percentile.

1950
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,800
Defensive rebounder he makes mistakes all, The time like doesn't

1951
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,800
he just he. Shouldn't Start the lakers just have, No

1952
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,399
Bigs so i've Got bub. Carrington there that's unfair to

1953
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:38,439
put a. Rookie there but like the numbers just are

1954
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,760
what they are of guys that played a ton. Of

1955
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,359
minutes he's him and sar actually are both like among

1956
01:25:44,359 --> 01:25:47,359
the lowest and estimated. PLUS minus I Have patrick williams

1957
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:50,920
fascinating to think about what his role would be on

1958
01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:53,279
like a team that had not invested in him Like the.

1959
01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:56,760
Bulls did i'll let you go three year two and three,

1960
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,720
there SO.

1961
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: And i set up criteria for this to where IT

1962
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,319
was i picked one player per team because you could

1963
01:26:02,319 --> 01:26:04,119
focus on, the TANKING and i said that they had

1964
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:07,119
to start in like more than half of the games.

1965
01:26:07,159 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: This YEAR so i Went With keon.

1966
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: Johnson on then it was between Him Or zion williams on,

1967
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,479
the NETS and i, feel like at Least With, zaire, williams,

1968
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,239
it's oh we can kind of hold out, of hope

1969
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:18,640
like he turns into this wing that like this but

1970
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,279
like different multifaceted wing that we were hoping we're not.

1971
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:23,520
A Star And keon johnson's always kind of had the

1972
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,039
limited when it comes like the offensive tool belt and

1973
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:28,600
the range which starts like fifty something games of the

1974
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,000
nets this year they were trying to, be bad but

1975
01:26:30,039 --> 01:26:33,399
like he was starting before they were and finished starting

1976
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:35,760
but like he started games before they. Were terrible AND

1977
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,239
then I Have isaiah callier again maybe not fair to have,

1978
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:42,520
a rookie and his passing is really, really interesting but

1979
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,039
when you look at just his efficiency, from base it's

1980
01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:48,279
gotten a, little better but from a lot of spots

1981
01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:50,560
on the floor where it's gonna, require touch like aside

1982
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,840
from being around. The basket you just kind of, wonder,

1983
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,079
LIKE well i Know the jazz, aren't experimental, mo like

1984
01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:57,319
wouldn't you rather have like someone else here is a

1985
01:26:57,319 --> 01:26:57,720
little bit.

1986
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 2: More DYNAMICS so i went.

1987
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: With him otherwise you could it got to not that

1988
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,680
this award, was easy Like. THE jackson i tried to

1989
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,840
make it the Spirit Of, jackson hayes but Like the

1990
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,800
jazz And the nets aren't. Good Teams the WIZARDS and

1991
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,359
i Guess the bulls Played, For steak so, THERE'S.

1992
01:27:11,239 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah i could have limited it and maybe in future

1993
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,239
years we can set the criteria up to be like

1994
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,159
you gotta be on a top six team in, your

1995
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,560
conference and then then it's like a little more interesting

1996
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,319
because then we can have some debates. Next year That's

1997
01:27:26,359 --> 01:27:28,680
what i'm engineering. It, for yeah, you're right you saw right.

1998
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,039
Speaker 1: THROUGH it i, Will say i'm Curious If jackson hayes

1999
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:34,199
is gonna get paid By the lakers just because they

2000
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,159
want a lab opt like a an Option for Luca

2001
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:37,920
who luca is.

2002
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: Familiar.

2003
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,359
Speaker 3: With, there Well the lakers have a great read on

2004
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,359
what lob threat big guys, are worth, so Uh they'll

2005
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,239
i'm sure they'll.

2006
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,199
Speaker 1: Be responsible our next category is it's basically the, worst

2007
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:52,640
contract and we had the.

2008
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Same ballot no.

2009
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: Surprise here it's Called The Patrick, williams awards so he's on,

2010
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,840
the Ballot But, bradley beal and we're using the contract

2011
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,319
values like that were this season because we're looking at

2012
01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:05,560
it through the lens of. This Season bradley beal, three

2013
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,359
years one hundred and sixty one million dollars with a no.

2014
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:10,800
Trade clause that's just that's just the worst contract in the.

2015
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:11,319
Speaker 3: Least tough.

2016
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah Tough joelle embiid five years and two hundred and

2017
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,760
ninety nine point.

2018
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,239
Speaker 1: Five Million If bradley beal doesn't have a no, trade

2019
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:23,279
clause guess who wins? This Award joel embiid And Then

2020
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:25,560
patrick williams coming in at number three In The Patrick williams.

2021
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,840
AWARD category i still with how restricted free agency? Is

2022
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,600
gone how does he get a? Player option it's it's it's.

2023
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:41,079
Speaker 3: The scholars dan will puzzle over this question for millennium To.

2024
01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: Terrify bulls Fans That josh getty's headed into restricted.

2025
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 3: Free agents oh, my god what is he getting a no?

2026
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,880
Trade clause in restricted free agency.

2027
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,239
Speaker 2: Not eligible, don't worry, It's.

2028
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:52,039
Speaker 3: Okay okay they'll find. A way.

2029
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:55,199
Speaker 2: Next category this one's. Really, interesting yeah.

2030
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:57,560
Speaker 3: So THIS was, i mean it's if you're a, basketball

2031
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,319
fan you understand what what a black hole is is

2032
01:28:59,399 --> 01:29:01,399
just like the guy got, the ball it's, going up he's,

2033
01:29:01,399 --> 01:29:05,199
not passing might scuttle your. Offense entirely it's going to

2034
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:07,840
wreck a bunch. Of possessions, but like also he's kind of,

2035
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,640
a bucket, you know like there's it's like tantalizing in a.

2036
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,039
Weird WAY SO i i WENT because i, just like

2037
01:29:15,319 --> 01:29:17,119
there's so many guys come. TO mind i wanted to

2038
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:19,880
put numbers. On it SO all i did was sort

2039
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,720
out over a certain threshold, you know of minutes and field.

2040
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,560
Goal attempts these are guys with the worst ratio of

2041
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,840
field goal attempts per game to, assist percentage and you

2042
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,319
got to have a field goal attempts, per, sorry yeah

2043
01:29:34,319 --> 01:29:37,279
per game That IS oh I think i said at.

2044
01:29:37,279 --> 01:29:38,960
Like fifteen so you got to, be like you got

2045
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,840
to be getting. Them up Number One. Norman powell so

2046
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,880
we Both Said norman powell had an. Awesome year that is.

2047
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,439
Still true he's, not passing.

2048
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 2: So but he's actually like statistically passing more.

2049
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,199
Speaker 3: THAN he, I know, I know, i know, but look

2050
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,479
the numbers are what, They. Are dane this is this

2051
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,800
is an actual. Proprietary Metric shadon arp Two And jalen,

2052
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,840
Green Three zach Lavine And DeMar DeRozan Teammates On, bulls

2053
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,720
east were very close to making the top three in.

2054
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,479
This award that's a problem when you have two of

2055
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,960
these guys on the, same team which actually one of

2056
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,319
yours is also, a rocket so that's not Great.

2057
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: For, HOUSTON well i MEAN so i, approached it by,

2058
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,720
the way this should be like a stat like there you.

2059
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: Should go this should be your next proprietary sets like.

2060
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,880
Black hole whatever we need.

2061
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,520
Speaker 3: An act we'll have to come up with an acronym

2062
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:27,960
for a.

2063
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:28,319
Speaker 2: Black.

2064
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Hole, yeah, WELL no i approached IT as, i said

2065
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,279
like IT was i think it was a seven hundred

2066
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:35,760
and fifty, minute MINIMUM and i wanted to do it

2067
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:36,880
more like WHO am i watching?

2068
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: To?

2069
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: Wear there there can still be that.

2070
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Intrigue there but if, you want, you know they're going

2071
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,479
to dribble a, ton probably and if you want something

2072
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,359
good to happen for, someone else, like no you don't

2073
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,920
necessarily want this player to have. Your POSSESSION so I

2074
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,840
went tyroziere, at ONE which i dare anyone to argue

2075
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:56,079
against that this season dribbles way too much and it's

2076
01:30:56,119 --> 01:30:58,920
just been terrible across every end of. The spectrum can't

2077
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,039
whit MORE like i just never known as like a

2078
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:03,119
passer or, table setter and like there's still the, intrigue

2079
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:06,039
there but He's Not like i'm sufficiently less INTRIGUED than

2080
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:08,119
i was. This year but maybe that's more so the lockdown.

2081
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:10,560
The ROCKETS and i know this is a, deep cut

2082
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,479
but LIKE The kJ simpson Experience in charlotte is just

2083
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:14,680
like he'll do, some stuff but.

2084
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 2: It's not it ain't gonna be for.

2085
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,199
Speaker 3: Anybody else such a deep cut and. Not wrong not

2086
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,439
you know what we need to do we as we,

2087
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,119
go forward we need to combine my field goal attempts

2088
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:29,319
per minute versus the sistory with like touch time or

2089
01:31:29,319 --> 01:31:31,920
like dribbles PER touch, i think and then we'd really,

2090
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,600
have it because then you've got the guy pounding the

2091
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,520
air out of the ball just to. Shoot it then

2092
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:36,279
that's really what we're.

2093
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Talking about everyone who's listening, or watching You heard grant

2094
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,279
lay out, the criteria come up with a formula, mega

2095
01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:42,760
work and then you can let us know who would

2096
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:43,119
have won.

2097
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 2: This Year's Black.

2098
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,279
Speaker 1: Hole award, next, up okay this we have the same

2099
01:31:47,319 --> 01:31:50,119
ballot for stars who made the, biggest sacrifices which we.

2100
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:53,800
Just defined is like not that the situations, got tougher

2101
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,920
although in some cases, they did but they had to

2102
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,840
take like. Steps back and so coming in at number

2103
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,079
One is domas. A bonis, i mean when you Add

2104
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,479
DeMar derozen and then turn over your roster to get

2105
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,680
rid Of The aaron fox And Add, zach lavine if

2106
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:13,319
you actually look like no star saw themselves get fewer

2107
01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:17,439
touches per seventy five possessions compared to last Year than domas.

2108
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,600
A bonus he was also in the top twenty in

2109
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,520
the league grant of the increase in time spent away

2110
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,199
from the ball. This year coming in at, number two

2111
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,319
We Have. Jnovan mitchell he's actually this by, THE way

2112
01:32:30,319 --> 01:32:31,920
i don't know if, you've noticed has been the crux

2113
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,479
of a lot of his first TEAM all.

2114
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Nba, cases yeah look at the sacrifice.

2115
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: He made he definitely, made sacrifices like you're just not

2116
01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:42,000
seeing him get as. Many touches he's playing more away from,

2117
01:32:42,039 --> 01:32:44,560
the ball AND so i do think. That matters he's

2118
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,600
still been allowed to get his usage in the high.

2119
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,319
Stakes MOMENTS so i couldn't put him, number ONE but

2120
01:32:48,319 --> 01:32:50,640
i DID find i found that interesting that that's how

2121
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,560
people were justifying his case for First TEAM.

2122
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:54,319
Speaker 2: All nba he.

2123
01:32:54,359 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 3: Went, in like we're so deep in the Discourse that

2124
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,920
i'm sure you've also heard the like, because yes that

2125
01:32:59,079 --> 01:33:01,359
is like a lot, always sacrificing like a lot OF

2126
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,000
not i think in a. Different way tatum last year

2127
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:07,479
was credited, FOR that i, think correctly but like his

2128
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:11,800
so then the stock response to oh, he's sacrificing Therefore

2129
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,760
HE'S all nba first team, is well is his scoring? Efficiency's?

2130
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,479
Down like is he is he only sacrificing? Good shots?

2131
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,640
Is that is that what? It? Is like SO just

2132
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:22,640
i don't know that's that's a funny like thing that keeps.

2133
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,840
Coming up, but yeah he definitely like a on, Another

2134
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,720
team like his role is just gonna be. Way bigger

2135
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,640
he's playing with a with a point guard like a

2136
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,600
real point Guard in garland And now mobiley is someone

2137
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,119
that needs the ball. A LOT so i think that's

2138
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:37,279
a fair a fair nomination there and.

2139
01:33:37,399 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: Number THREE and i think if he wanted to make

2140
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,520
this as someone who like you did it and then

2141
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,479
it was like had the biggest impact maybe on, His

2142
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,479
Team tyre taliburton could have. Won THIS but i also

2143
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,600
think that the way he changed so he spent way

2144
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,520
more time off. THE ball i think he ended up

2145
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,680
being fifth most in the league in the increase in

2146
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,039
his time spent away from the ball. This year maybe

2147
01:33:57,079 --> 01:33:58,920
that's not, second nature but when you look at kind

2148
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,439
of the decline in his true, usage rate which incorporates

2149
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,039
playmaking but, also scoring they almost feel like that type

2150
01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:09,399
of a sacrifice is more like them Leading Into tyres

2151
01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:12,359
albert doesn't want to necessarily be the most aggressive scorer in,

2152
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:15,199
the league so but he's made sacrifice like and it's

2153
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:17,600
it kind of started when They Traded buddy healed because

2154
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,159
they needed to use him in all these. Different ACTIONS

2155
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,520
and i think that he's important where if you want

2156
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,239
to tie, things together Where, It's siakam ben Mcmathrin getting,

2157
01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:27,359
andrew nemhard the ability to go downhill or just, Get

2158
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:29,920
Touches tyres haliburn has been a huge part, of that

2159
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,079
and so the time spent away from the, ball specifically

2160
01:34:33,079 --> 01:34:34,600
like at, this level you had him On AN all,

2161
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,279
nba team and other people have had Him ON all.

2162
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:39,000
Nba teams like to make that level of sacrifice and

2163
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,359
then your team be maybe the third best team In.

2164
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:44,760
The east like when you're looking at viable, playoff threats monstrous.

2165
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,159
Speaker 3: To you you know who we forgot that actually should

2166
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:49,560
be number One Is paul george because he gave up

2167
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:50,720
his podcast.

2168
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 2: During, the season and you think that we would find,

2169
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,159
that relatable.

2170
01:34:54,359 --> 01:34:56,319
Speaker 3: We, would yeah, you know. It's okay we.

2171
01:34:56,359 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Make mistakes are you ready for our last our final

2172
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:00,399
awar of.

2173
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 3: The season it.

2174
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 2: Is called they should have? Played more damn THE award i.

2175
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:06,920
Renamed it it's Basically The.

2176
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Duopareath award, Spoiler alert duapareath is on, the ballot coming

2177
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,079
in at.

2178
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:12,079
Speaker 2: Number one we have a.

2179
01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: Consensus Ballot DOMINIC barlow. I tried we tried to make

2180
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,880
this as like they needed to have a plausible path

2181
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,600
to more. Playing time What about atlanta's center rotation this

2182
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:23,880
year when you look at some of the injuries Or

2183
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,399
How clin capella played before he was injured at, one

2184
01:35:26,399 --> 01:35:28,560
point makes you think that They Signed dominic barlow to

2185
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,880
a two Way. IN july i know they didn't CONVERT him,

2186
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,560
toi Later But dominic barlow should have like you give

2187
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,840
me a big who can grab. AND go, I mean

2188
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,680
i've always been sold, on him But like i'm sold

2189
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:38,039
he should.

2190
01:35:38,039 --> 01:35:41,039
Speaker 3: Have played this is a legacy, pick too because like

2191
01:35:41,239 --> 01:35:43,840
that's Been The dominic barlow narrative since he was a

2192
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,720
two way guy On, The spurs like that's. That forever

2193
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:49,239
he's always been. A, guy like how how come he

2194
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:51,039
doesn't play more? Like that that's the first thing you

2195
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:53,880
talk About With. Dominic, barlow great. GREAT choice i.

2196
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Do have their ranks in total minutes from this, season

2197
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,560
Somewhere so i'll find those and then let. You KNOW

2198
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,119
but I Think dominic barlow was like at four hundred and.

2199
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,880
FORTY six i believe. It, was uh it was pretty.

2200
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:09,359
Freaking low so also low in That duwop Reef just

2201
01:36:10,279 --> 01:36:12,560
plazers had injuries in. THE front i know, they're crowded they.

2202
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,640
Were deep we called. Them stacks so this is. Somewhat

2203
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,640
fair but like the guy who conceptually, is oh he

2204
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,880
will shoot threes and like he can make plays around,

2205
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,439
the basket he probably should get more than ten minutes.

2206
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,199
Speaker 3: A game he's a nomination for something like he could

2207
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:27,680
have been In The Aaron wiggins. Award too these, GUYS

2208
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,399
all i mean more so than, Either Well reed shepherd has,

2209
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:32,479
a case but like, as like why isn't this guy

2210
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:33,800
that he should?

2211
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:37,199
Speaker 1: Start Somewhere duop breath was four hundred and fifty fifth in,

2212
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:40,319
Total Minutes dominic barlow was three hundred and eighty second

2213
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,600
and our, third pick which this is he would have.

2214
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Been first he's first in.

2215
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: My Heart But reed shepherd three hundred and thirty sixth

2216
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,520
and total min. Has played he would have been good

2217
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,760
if he had. More minutes we just we kind of

2218
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,680
like he's Everything the rockets need.

2219
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: In theory they're just too good.

2220
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: To have let him try to tap into it and

2221
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,119
stomach the growing pains come. With it but higher level

2222
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,079
picks and maybe not in the spirit of, the award

2223
01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:07,840
but very rarely drafted third overall and not even the

2224
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,680
top three hundred without like a major injury in total.

2225
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 3: Minutes Played wild you know what this is setting Up

2226
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,920
For read shepherd, twenty five Twenty Six Most Improved Player

2227
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,600
award that will be highly controversial because that everybody. Like

2228
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,119
one it can't go to the second year. Guy too

2229
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:23,760
he was always, this good he just never got.

2230
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,039
Speaker 2: A chance will he be doing it For the, Rockets though.

2231
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,399
Speaker 3: Uh yeah because they'll Trade for Eed. Van VLEET like

2232
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,600
i predicted wrongly before.

2233
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 2: The season my prediction will be that he will do

2234
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,680
it For the rockets Or. The suns Those will.

2235
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 3: Those are your. Two, Choices fair thank you everyone for.

2236
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: Your submissions we'll try TO do i think we'll do

2237
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,319
a separate episode next year and we'll maybe we'll roll

2238
01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:43,039
over some of these Categories that GRANT and, i like

2239
01:37:43,079 --> 01:37:43,399
so join.

2240
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:46,119
Speaker 2: Our discords it could be a part of that. Submission

2241
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:48,720
process but do you have, Anything, else grant or do

2242
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:49,399
you want to take this out?

2243
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 3: Of here i'm already thinking of all of the awards should,

2244
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,000
have acronyms and so that that's going to be an

2245
01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:56,800
important part.

2246
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 2: About it so that'll be.

2247
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,119
Speaker 1: Your task but your task is for any award that

2248
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:02,239
you physically come up or actually come, UP with i

2249
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:03,680
would like you to have a ballot For.

2250
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,039
Speaker 3: And i'll have to actually remember what each letter, stands

2251
01:38:09,039 --> 01:38:11,039
For which i've also struggled with in.

2252
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 1: OUR recent i don't know what acronym you're gonna have for,

2253
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,279
black hole but that might be that that might be

2254
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:15,760
a tough one.

2255
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:16,399
Speaker 2: To remember i'm.

2256
01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:19,159
Speaker 3: Already Thinking like i'm gonna change it from. Black hole

2257
01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:21,319
it would be Like The nebula award or like the

2258
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:25,560
some some other synonym for. Black hole that's a year.

2259
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,800
Away though thanks everybody, for listening. For, watching uh please

2260
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,199
give us your submissions if you've, got any, you know

2261
01:38:32,279 --> 01:38:34,760
if we've you've found any of our picks for EVERYTHING

2262
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,960
gram Vp To clutch player Of. The, year actually don't

2263
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:39,880
actually miss Me With clutch player of.

2264
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,399
Speaker 2: The year takes, be responding. Don't care.

2265
01:38:44,039 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Please do submit your who's the best player in arbitrary

2266
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:51,159
samples of minutes throughout, The game awards ring. Review. Subscribe

2267
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,640
uh if you're if you're watching this, on YouTube make

2268
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,199
sure you're gonna leave us a comment there it. Thumbs

2269
01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:57,920
up make sure you correct. As well tell, your friends tell.

2270
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,760
YOUR enemies i think that's Reinclose the what is this

2271
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,319
the third or fourth awards ballots that we've done of?

2272
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:08,319
The season did you count? The preseason he has lots.

2273
01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:11,720
Of awards real participation in trophy Culture Shouts Franklin, Pina

2274
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:12,720
Apologies jared allen