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Speaker 2: I hear the resonant sounds of Bobo's new Man cave.
Speaker 3: Yep, you're hearing it.
Speaker 1: It sounds cavernous.
Speaker 3: It's not cavernous. I'm up in the guest room.
Speaker 1: Okay, but's just is it kind of like the bat
Speaker 1: cave at all? I mean, is it the stone walls
Speaker 1: with like flying rodents or anything.
Speaker 3: It's got all redwood, little four inch tongue and grooves
Speaker 3: slaps around the whole thing on the walls, and then
Speaker 3: it's got a white panted roof. So it's not it's
Speaker 3: not totally dark at all. It's it's it's a pretty
Speaker 3: nice balance nice.
Speaker 1: That sounds great, man, because your other house, being right
Speaker 1: on the beach, was often very gloomy and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and you know it had dark wooden walls, so it
Speaker 1: was darker inside than so your new situation is much
Speaker 1: more bright and cheery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did the last couple of days. I get up,
Speaker 3: I look and I look west down the bedroom milks
Speaker 3: due west and I look out. I just see this
Speaker 3: gray wall like about five miles away over on.
Speaker 1: The coast, meaning the cloud the fog, right, yeah, the
Speaker 1: coastal fog. Holy smell. You're out of the fog.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's weird.
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stuck. I'm stuked. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a little homesick when we miss like there's certain
Speaker 3: things we miss, you know. But it's cool. I'm excited
Speaker 3: for the change. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's better to be homesick than sick with black mold,
Speaker 1: like like the last place, you know exactly. Oh that's great. Well, congratulations.
Speaker 1: How did the move go. That must have been because
Speaker 1: you've been pretty uh entrenched, I guess in that last
Speaker 1: place for decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And hell, I had no I knew it was
Speaker 3: going to be a hassle, but I had no idea
Speaker 3: how bad because when I moved in, like I just
Speaker 3: kind of moved like I had another place. I was
Speaker 3: living at that beach house. The rent was like three
Speaker 3: twenty five or something when I moved in, and I
Speaker 3: was splitting it with Kyle. So you know, it's like
Speaker 3: I had a beach house for like less than two
Speaker 3: hundred bucks a month. So I was like, oh sweets.
Speaker 3: I'd go back and forth, and over the course of
Speaker 3: a couple of years, stuff moved in. And then when
Speaker 3: I moved in, moved in, I didn't have any good
Speaker 3: stuff at my old house because it was just a
Speaker 3: total party pass or everything. It was the rash. I
Speaker 3: just got rid of it and just moved in and
Speaker 3: just got you know, bought a couple of couches and
Speaker 3: you know, it was it just transition. It was nothing.
Speaker 3: It took me like two hours to move in. You
Speaker 3: know when I moved.
Speaker 1: Places in your hont A Civic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, this wasn't funny, but it was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Was we were moving my big half ton gun safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big one man, what is it six
Speaker 1: feet tall?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we were hauling it up there. We were
Speaker 3: there was four of us hauling it up the stairs
Speaker 3: and had it on a big special Dolly, heavy duty
Speaker 3: dolly for moving that kind of stuff. I was pushing
Speaker 3: up from below and Albo was pushing from below, and
Speaker 3: then these two other guys, jeffro and trash on top
Speaker 3: pulling and the matt was there to wipe your feet off,
Speaker 3: and he leaned back and pushed off so hard it
Speaker 3: shot out. That shot the mat out from under him,
Speaker 3: and he landed on his back, and then Jeffro couldn't
Speaker 3: hold it by himself and so it fell on both
Speaker 3: of them. Dude, that crushed him dead. No, no, just
Speaker 3: like bad bruising and banged up and just really sore.
Speaker 3: And Jeffro got kind of tore up. He had lost
Speaker 3: a bunch of skin off was like his whole upper
Speaker 3: arm and down his arm forearm. And he was leaving
Speaker 3: the next day to go on a tuna trip out
Speaker 3: of San Diego, h and m on a long long
Speaker 3: range tuna trip. But it's not the best time they
Speaker 3: go out to see on a fishing boat. When he
Speaker 3: got he's probably got like one hundred and fifty square
Speaker 3: inch gap of missing skin.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, well you sold it to me. When you
Speaker 1: called me and gave me the date.
Speaker 2: You were like, Oh, they're totally cool because they're skaters
Speaker 2: and they like love scars and stuff, so they're.
Speaker 3: Cool, I said, I said, they love scars. They're just
Speaker 3: used to them. They don't care like they're both like
Speaker 3: they're both hardcore skaters and just like whatever, like like
Speaker 3: there's like they're they're covered in scars, so they're they're
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that salt water will feel good on
Speaker 1: that bear, like missing skin. Yeah in the sun? Oh man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what's what's squatchy going on? Oh man?
Speaker 1: Well, I went, I was in the woods this morning.
Speaker 1: I did the dawn patrol. I was out there before
Speaker 1: dark or before daylight rather in the dark. I found
Speaker 1: a couple of maybes. And there's another spot that I
Speaker 1: this other spot that I was working, but some other
Speaker 1: people are working it also, and uh it turns out
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago I found some fake tracks in
Speaker 1: the area. So that's unfortunate, like obviously tracks, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: so unfortunate. That's the first so which brings up a
Speaker 1: lot of problems of course, you know, because there's a
Speaker 1: hoaxer in the area, and so the.
Speaker 3: Guy that told you probably told someone else that you're
Speaker 3: up there looking around up there.
Speaker 1: Well you know, these other guys been working the spot
Speaker 1: for a while and stuff. But I think what the
Speaker 1: deal is is that, I mean, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: one of them, like I know them. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's one of them. But they've been bringing other people there,
Speaker 1: and word, I think word got out that they're working
Speaker 1: the spots, and I don't I don't know what the
Speaker 1: deal is. I don't know like the whole you know,
Speaker 1: politics sucks.
Speaker 3: Do that sucks. That's why I keep it. I keep
Speaker 3: it close to the vest. And that's why don't tell anyone.
Speaker 3: Like I got a spot, like my good friends, I
Speaker 3: don't tell them where it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so simple, man. If you don't
Speaker 1: want people to know, don't tell them. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: But I don't know they I have no idea. Maybe
Speaker 1: they wanted the attention, maybe they won't just like bring
Speaker 1: their friends out and show them or something. But but
Speaker 1: you know, you tell one person and then well that
Speaker 1: that one person is going to say, oh, I can
Speaker 1: tell my brother or I can tell my my buddy,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they tell and the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, six or seven people know. And luckily that's
Speaker 1: not my best spot, you know, because it's not my
Speaker 1: best spot at all, but still it's a good enough
Speaker 1: spot that I would go there with some frequency, you know.
Speaker 1: But Now, anything that comes out of there I have
Speaker 1: to assume is hoaxed, or even if it's not. See,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. There's been sightings in the area from
Speaker 1: people I know and trust, so they are in the area,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's one of these situations where we
Speaker 1: have a good location that you know, there's a hoax
Speaker 1: in there now. And the best analogy I have, and
Speaker 1: I've probably said it before in the podcast, like everybody
Speaker 1: loves a hot tub, right, feels good you go into
Speaker 1: jacuzzi or whatever, you sit there, it's delicious, right, it
Speaker 1: feels wonderful. Well, okay, now somebody takes a dump in
Speaker 1: the jacuzzi. The water is still warm. It's gonna feel
Speaker 1: good if you go in, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: go in there. Dude, there's a turn in there, and
Speaker 1: then you'll probably never go in that hot tub again.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a turn in the jacuzzie, basically,
Speaker 1: is what it comes down to. That's the best analogy
Speaker 1: I have for it. Even if there are our sasquatches there,
Speaker 1: none of the data, none of the information can be
Speaker 1: used now none because who knows now that the good
Speaker 1: news and there was no good news in this honestly.
Speaker 1: But one of the things about it is that I
Speaker 1: was so capable of recognizing the wooden stomper thing because
Speaker 1: London tracks, I'm very very well versed in that stuff.
Speaker 1: But the stuff that i've I've previously gotten from this
Speaker 1: one particular area looks very very good. So there's a
Speaker 1: reasonable chance that, like the hoaxing thing is brand new,
Speaker 1: because I think I would have recognized a hoax a
Speaker 1: while ago, you know, like maybe the six months ago
Speaker 1: or something like that, because these are so plainly fake.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how.
Speaker 3: Many how many were there, like of the of the
Speaker 3: the youse said the fake tracks, how many was there
Speaker 3: like a whole trackway.
Speaker 1: Or just a couple were Like now, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: a trackway. It was like a few tracks here and there.
Speaker 1: I found two or three in one spot. Then a
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards away I found the same stomper, leaving
Speaker 1: about two, three, five, four. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I came home with six or seven fake tracks. You
Speaker 1: cast them, yeah, definitely, absolutely, Yeah. I personally think it's
Speaker 1: very important to cast fake prints when you find them.
Speaker 3: I thought you just cast one maybe if it's the
Speaker 3: same one over and over, or you got to cast
Speaker 3: a couple to show us through repetitive I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like the London tracks. Now, mind you,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit obsessive about stuff. I have over seventy
Speaker 1: of the London tracks, and I've said this often. If
Speaker 1: I had one London track, if I would have just
Speaker 1: chosen the best one and cast it, I would still
Speaker 1: think they're real.
Speaker 3: I just watched video on that the other day. I
Speaker 3: was still kind of fooled by some of them. I
Speaker 3: was like, like, we're like, did the Pirouette spin and
Speaker 3: all that? I'm like, is that the best fake track
Speaker 3: what you've seen? I mean, I haven't seen a lot
Speaker 3: of them, but I never saw it in person, but
Speaker 3: the video I saw it, but that looked like the
Speaker 3: best one I've seen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean now that, well, I learned so much
Speaker 1: from the London tracks. I can't say I was naive,
Speaker 1: but I was less way less experienced. At that point.
Speaker 1: It was twenty twelve, you know, and tracks are fairly
Speaker 1: rare and that sort of thing. But by the way,
Speaker 1: there's still bigfooters out there that think the London tracks
Speaker 1: are real. Quite a few of them. Actually, one person
Speaker 1: actually told me he's a kind of a paranormal guy
Speaker 1: told me that the Bigfoots make their footprints look like
Speaker 1: stompers in order to fool people like me, which I
Speaker 1: think is ridiculous, of course, but it was at the
Speaker 1: best trackway, I mean a lot. I personally think that
Speaker 1: whoever faked that has some knowledge of sasquatch footprints. But
Speaker 1: you know, the London track thing won't die. Last week,
Speaker 1: I think it was last week, maybe the week before,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you don't elastic timeline issues. But
Speaker 1: recently this summer I got a text from these people
Speaker 1: that I met. I think I met him at squatch
Speaker 1: Fest last year in January. These people came up to
Speaker 1: me and they said, yeah, yeah, our nephew knows about
Speaker 1: the London tracks. He may have made them, or if
Speaker 1: he didn't make them, he knows the person who did.
Speaker 1: No way, Yeah yeah, like this past year in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Now, of course, you know, that's no different
Speaker 1: really in substance than someone saying, oh, my neighbor's cousin
Speaker 1: is the guy in the Patterson Gimlin film suit. R.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't mean anything until there's some evidence
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But just this past week I got a text from
Speaker 1: them saying that their nephew's ready to talk and I
Speaker 1: should I should try to get a hold of them.
Speaker 1: So I texted them back saying, that's awesome. Can I
Speaker 1: have some contact information? And I have not heard back
Speaker 1: from them yet, you know. So it's one of these things,
Speaker 1: just one of these people on the list that I
Speaker 1: need to reach out to again and just start poking
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I spoke to them on the phone
Speaker 1: a few months back, I think in April or something
Speaker 1: like that, and they said, Hey, he may not want
Speaker 1: to talk because blah blah blah, you know. And I
Speaker 1: guess if I had hoaxed something, I may not be
Speaker 1: so willing to talk about it either or something. But
Speaker 1: hopefully he is. I would love love, I mean not
Speaker 1: mind you. If anybody in the world has a reason
Speaker 1: to want the London tracks to be real, it's me.
Speaker 1: I was on TV saying they're real, you know, I
Speaker 1: would love them to be real, but I know they're not.
Speaker 1: But I would love to get the Stompers. God, what
Speaker 1: a score that would be for the museum. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we digress. But yeah, it's a Q and a episode.
Speaker 1: So we're going to be taking some voicemails as we
Speaker 1: always do, and then take some written questions for me.
Speaker 1: All that will jump over to the member side and
Speaker 1: do the same thing just for our pigeons because we
Speaker 1: love them so much. So, Matt Prutt, do you want
Speaker 1: to tell us how people can submit questions and then
Speaker 1: give us one? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: You can head over to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot
Speaker 2: com and click the contact form or click the link
Speaker 2: in the show notes aka the episode description below.
Speaker 3: Oh and the most requested Bobo storytime story that I've
Speaker 3: always refused to tell. I got talked into telling the
Speaker 3: turn the driveway, Turn the Driveway story.
Speaker 1: Oh really, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's coming up. So if you look and
Speaker 3: look forward to that, you tease.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, here is the first voicemail. Hey guys, my
Speaker 1: name's Larry Heck.
Speaker 4: I'm from the Saint Louis area and I've been interested
Speaker 4: in the subject of Bigfoot since the midnight nineteen fifties
Speaker 4: when i read articles in some of my dad's Argacy
Speaker 4: and True magazines about the Edmund Hillary expedition, and anyway,
Speaker 4: I've been following it ever since. But I just was
Speaker 4: curious to know about what your opinion might be about
Speaker 4: Reinhold Messner and the accounter he had a number of
Speaker 4: years ago when he was crossing eastern Tibet on foot.
Speaker 4: He said he thought that it might be some kind
Speaker 4: of a hybrid bear that he came face to face
Speaker 4: with as it was getting dark. Anyway, I've heard the
Speaker 4: account as he gave it to Mark Davies, and it
Speaker 4: was I've always thought it was really a kind of
Speaker 4: a spooky thing. But I'd appreciate any comments that you
Speaker 4: guys might have. And anyway, keep up the good work.
Speaker 4: Love listening to you guys, you Cliff and Bobo and.
Speaker 1: Through it. You guys do a great job.
Speaker 4: It's always a lot of fun. So I hope you
Speaker 4: all are having a great day, and take care.
Speaker 3: I got I was so mad at him. I called
Speaker 3: him a woosie after after when he came out and
Speaker 3: recanted all that because he took so much grief. He
Speaker 3: like he caves. I read his book twice, and I
Speaker 3: read the book I read about him, that all this
Speaker 3: stuff Lauren Coleman wrote on him, And yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he said it was a bear that was standing up
Speaker 3: right darting on two legs from rock to rock and whistling. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I was like, dude, because he
Speaker 3: couldn't handle like people heckling on it. It's like you're
Speaker 3: the bad most badass mountaineer ever. Like he's he's if
Speaker 3: you read his stories, it's he did the most amazing
Speaker 3: stuff and he was super respective, but he just couldn't
Speaker 3: handle getting heckled. So he he came up with this
Speaker 3: whole thing about it was a bear, but he, uh,
Speaker 3: he didn't discover that stuff about those bears, that those
Speaker 3: when they're juveniles they climbed trees. Sub adolescens, they their
Speaker 3: foot is actually the morphology of the foot changes, so
Speaker 3: he can climb trees better. And think, that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of people thought were yetie track, except that warn't
Speaker 3: yety tracks. So he kind of went with that, and
Speaker 3: he just kind of went off on that direction. Ok.
Speaker 1: I think I just found the section here in his book.
Speaker 1: It's on page four. I'm going to read it here. Then, suddenly,
Speaker 1: silent as a ghost, something large and dark stepped into
Speaker 1: a space thirty feet ahead among the rhododendron bushes, a yak,
Speaker 1: I thought, becoming excited at the thought of meeting some
Speaker 1: Tibetans and getting a hot meal and a place to
Speaker 1: sleep that evening. But the thing stood still, then noiseless,
Speaker 1: and light footed. It raced across the forest floor, disappearing, reappearing,
Speaker 1: picking up speed. Neither branches nor ditches slowed its progress.
Speaker 1: This was not a yak. The fast moving silhouette dashed
Speaker 1: behind a curtain of leaves and branches, only to step
Speaker 1: out into a clearing some ten yards away. For a
Speaker 1: few seconds, it moved upright. It was as if my
Speaker 1: own shadow had been projected onto the thicket. For one heartbeat,
Speaker 1: it stood motionless, and then turned away and disappeared into
Speaker 1: the dusk. I had expected to hear it make some sound,
Speaker 1: but there was nothing. The forest remained silent. No stones
Speaker 1: rolled down the slopes, no twigs snapped. I might have
Speaker 1: heard a few soft footfalls in the grayness of the underbrush.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever
Speaker 1: happened to your gone squatch and hat used to wear
Speaker 1: and finding Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Now I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it
Speaker 3: to Lauren Coleman for his museum. But I might be
Speaker 3: asking for it back because I'm getting a little nervous
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Speaker 3: there now, and I'm getting bit uy a mosquitoes. There's
Speaker 3: not a big lush crop to fend them off. It's
Speaker 3: it's hell bobs.
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Speaker 2: restrictions and important safety information. Oh and then the next
Speaker 2: paragraph it goes on. He talks about following it a
Speaker 2: little bit, and it says, there in the black clay,
Speaker 2: I found a gigantic footprint. It was absolutely distinct, even
Speaker 2: the toes were unmistakable. To see that imprint was fresh.
Speaker 2: To see that the imprint was fresh, I touched the
Speaker 2: soil next to it. It was fresh. I took a
Speaker 2: picture and changed and checked the soil around it. My
Speaker 2: shoes shit and sinking nearly as deeply.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so upright dashing about like his own shadow.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like a bear, because what is at
Speaker 1: the very end of it all That would probably be
Speaker 1: much harder for me to find. But he comes at
Speaker 1: the conclusion that, like no I saw a bear. I
Speaker 1: saw a bear silently upright dashing about that appeared as
Speaker 1: if his own shadow was cast upon the Nah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Bobes. I think he was stout man.
Speaker 3: You know. I think I think it's like the second
Speaker 3: last page hases his revamped I like when he changed
Speaker 3: his his story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the second last page.
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. With the last page.
Speaker 1: Maybe even well, I don't see it, and we do
Speaker 1: have a live podcast going on here, but in the
Speaker 1: middle of the book, we do have a plate, a
Speaker 1: photographic plate of the the footprint, and the footprint that
Speaker 1: he photographed is clearly a bear. So what what?
Speaker 3: What? What?
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Did he not describe it appropriately in
Speaker 1: order to kind of lead us to believe that he
Speaker 1: was observing a yetti or did did he not? Was
Speaker 1: he unable to identify it as a bear print right there?
Speaker 1: Because clear as day it's a bear print. You can
Speaker 1: even see the nails in front of it. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there's something shady going on, like he either kind of
Speaker 1: teased and let us on and the later later lead
Speaker 1: us let us down, or he doesn't know what a
Speaker 1: bear print looks like, which I find a little hard
Speaker 1: to believe. Yeah, I don't know. Something shady about that.
Speaker 1: I don't and whatever is going on, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's cool. No, yeah, that's just my opinion. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's weird. Something's weird about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you do that to sell books? That's
Speaker 1: seems inappropriate. I don't know what the deal is, but whatever, man, whatever.
Speaker 3: I guess I guess we answered that one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But let's pause a moment and give some kudos to Larry.
Speaker 1: Since the mid fifties, he's been into this with the
Speaker 1: Hillary pictures. That's pretty rad. That's a long time. That's
Speaker 1: a long time man like that. That's that's impressive. So
Speaker 1: hats off to you, Larry, and thank you for the question.
Speaker 1: And thanks for the kind of words. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: kind words too. All right, So here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 5: Hi, Cliff Biber and Matt Nigel Cooling from LA really
Speaker 5: enjoying the program. And I also appreciate you giving my
Speaker 5: children's middle grade book Asha a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 5: Alphie and the big Foot of Bluff Greek. Thanks for
Speaker 5: doing that. Then my question really is on bigfoot bodies.
Speaker 5: I've been needing some research into bigfoot bodies, and I
Speaker 5: was reading the story of the Minnesota Iceman, which was
Speaker 5: a big foot that was told in the sixties as
Speaker 5: part of a traveling show in an ice cube, and
Speaker 5: then thought and examined. I'd love to know your thoughts
Speaker 5: on that particular story and what you think the truth
Speaker 5: of that is. Okay, thanks again for a wonderful program
Speaker 5: gets me through Sunday night and the week. Keep it
Speaker 5: Squatchy and look forward to you your thoughts and your answers.
Speaker 1: Take care. Hey, well, Nigel, First of all, thanks for
Speaker 1: the copy of Alfhi. I got it. That's literally on
Speaker 1: the floor of my office waiting to be cataloged right now.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for the copy that I think
Speaker 1: that was cool, really really appreciate that. So Minnesota Iceman.
Speaker 1: Did we talk to Ken Gerhart about this? He's kind
Speaker 1: of the expert in it right now, I think, isn't he?
Speaker 3: We talked to someone about it.
Speaker 2: That's one of those things that's been brought up in
Speaker 2: multiple episodes, but I don't think we've ever devoted a
Speaker 2: whole episode or a big part of a discussion to it,
Speaker 2: but we have.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things been touched on several times
Speaker 1: over the years. Oh okay, because Ken's got an hour
Speaker 1: long presentation on it and he's really done a great
Speaker 1: job of doing some deep dives in there. Maybe we
Speaker 1: should give him a call and have him back on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah, give Bobo a chance to not call
Speaker 1: him le promises.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean it's it's uh. I haven't heard
Speaker 3: Ken's talk, but I've talked to him about it in
Speaker 3: the past, and then to meet you Baynov in Russia.
Speaker 3: He did. He researched it for twenty five years and
Speaker 3: he's still convinced that Jimmy Stewart bought it and had
Speaker 3: it destroyed, the real one where he's passed now. But
Speaker 3: until his death he thought that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there is there. Peter Burn was chasing stuff down.
Speaker 1: I think Todd Nice was telling me that Peter was
Speaker 1: really working hard on that until pretty close to his death,
Speaker 1: you know, just a few years ago as well. But
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if the Jimmy Stewart thing is
Speaker 1: just kind of echoes of the Yetti hand thing, the
Speaker 1: pain bull chief hand, you know. I kind of wonder
Speaker 1: about that, if that's one of these, if there's any
Speaker 1: paper trail at all, or if it's factual. I think
Speaker 1: Todd was telling me that Peter was on the trail
Speaker 1: of Oh, what's that guy, you know, the very very
Speaker 1: wealthy guy, the spruce goose guy. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: Peter was saying that he had something to do with
Speaker 1: it or something. But I guess the longest short of
Speaker 1: it when it comes down to it, as far as
Speaker 1: the iceman to put it simply, it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what was going on. Clearly the second one was fake.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a first one? Who knows? I know
Speaker 1: personally several people who have who saw the thing when
Speaker 1: it was on tour through Minnesota and Frank Hanson's display thing,
Speaker 1: And at least one of those people, if not more
Speaker 1: than one, told me they could smell it's now. Of
Speaker 1: course you could just put rotting flesh and something like
Speaker 1: that and probably stink up the place pretty good. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if mister Hanson, you know, was
Speaker 1: that savvy to do that. You know who is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they put the light, that light showed it
Speaker 3: up better than the heat from the bowl cracked the
Speaker 3: glass and then they got a powerful whiff of decaying flesh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a new book that was translated from
Speaker 1: the French who Webman's wrote the book, of course, and
Speaker 1: I think Lauren Coleman, I think we had something to
Speaker 1: do with re releasing it, and I just don't remember.
Speaker 1: I've got again. I had the book on the shelf,
Speaker 1: but it was translated from the French, and that was
Speaker 1: an excellent account of it because as Ivan Sanderson and
Speaker 1: Welbleman and whatever and kind of there talks about it
Speaker 1: and well, they're their thoughts on it because they are
Speaker 1: the people who saw it firsthand and first on top
Speaker 1: of that, they were kind of the first investigators really
Speaker 1: check it out. A lot of great photographs in it,
Speaker 1: I think, if I remember right, Krantz commented in his
Speaker 1: book that after it was dethowed and refrozen, you could
Speaker 1: see that things had changed positions a bit. Some of
Speaker 1: the details I remember off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: pimples and flex a dirt in the follicles and small
Speaker 1: hairs and that sort of stuff like I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a bit surprised if there was something real to that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time Frank Hanson, I believe it's
Speaker 1: kind of a showman if if I understand the reading correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the Jimmy Stewart rumor came about
Speaker 2: because Hanson had claimed that, you know that the reason
Speaker 2: that the real body was not available to show anymore
Speaker 2: was that there was like a wealthy, well known person
Speaker 2: who was fairly evangelical who had purchased it and didn't
Speaker 2: want it to be displayed, like some kind of vague
Speaker 2: statement like that. That then people try to figure out
Speaker 2: who this person could be, and because of the pangboci
Speaker 2: hand involvement, they assumed it was Jimmy Stewart, if I'm
Speaker 2: remembering that correct. But I think that's how that came about.
Speaker 1: That sounds about right. And there's always some sort of
Speaker 1: like religious thing in there, like somebody was hiding it
Speaker 1: so they like you wouldn't question evolution or something like that,
Speaker 1: or you know, some some religious thing. But I think
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have to be okay with no resolution
Speaker 1: on the Minnesota Iceman thing unless somebody pops up with
Speaker 1: the corpse at some point. But where we stand now
Speaker 1: the Latex dummy, I guess the second one the model
Speaker 1: that the rumor has it replaced the original, if the
Speaker 1: original ever existed at all. That's in a museum in Austin.
Speaker 1: It's like a Museum of the Strange or something like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Museum of the Weird, Museum
Speaker 1: of the Weird. I was close for me. That's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's down in Austin, Texas. If I remember right,
Speaker 1: I'd love to go see that. That'd be a cool
Speaker 1: museum to go check out too. Yeah, maybe we should
Speaker 1: invite ken Gerhard back on and you can talk about that,
Speaker 1: because I know he's kind of done more work on
Speaker 1: that than anybody I know as far as like you know,
Speaker 1: being out of the road and seeing presentations that he
Speaker 1: has a whole presentation about it, and he's really spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time on that one.
Speaker 3: The three of most cited people's explanations where it came
Speaker 3: from is they say it was shot in Vietnam, like
Speaker 3: it came back in the Vietnam War. It was shot
Speaker 3: on the Ho Chi Min trailer or something like that.
Speaker 3: And then there's some servicemen snuck up back to the US.
Speaker 3: There's the one that was shot by a guy in Siberia.
Speaker 3: That's why it's eyeballs hanging out. And then the other
Speaker 3: one was was got up like Minnesota area, somewhere up there,
Speaker 3: the Minnesota, miss Upper potential, Michigan somewhere up there.
Speaker 1: Well, the two versions I heard is somebody shot at Minnesota,
Speaker 1: so that overlaps. Another version I heard is that it
Speaker 1: was found floating in a block of ice or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, that's another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of rumors associated with that.
Speaker 3: But it looks like it looks like it got shot
Speaker 3: in the head though, So it looks like, you know,
Speaker 3: it was modern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if I remember the back of the head,
Speaker 1: which is what blew the eyeball out of the socket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I just love to know the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to think there was something there, and
Speaker 1: maybe there was. I just don't have enough information. But again,
Speaker 1: people I personally know have seen this thing like they
Speaker 1: saw it back in the sixties, and they say, I
Speaker 1: think it was real.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of our sound one of our sound consultants
Speaker 3: for Wild There Sounds and former guests on the show, Dave,
Speaker 3: he saw it. I think he saw it twy.
Speaker 1: I think I was seeking a will a doctor epiphone
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, that works for epiphone guitars. Like
Speaker 1: he saw it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've talked about people that saw it
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, I mean people like that
Speaker 3: really set close with magnifying glasses.
Speaker 1: You can see that every hair follicle, like it was amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: based on what I've read, I kind of think there
Speaker 1: might have been something there. But I certainly would like
Speaker 1: to think there's something there. But again, who knows. And
Speaker 1: at this point does it do unless somebody comes up
Speaker 1: with the bones or something, does it do with any
Speaker 1: good I don't know. Yeah, I have to be okay
Speaker 1: with not having a resolution on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he took it to Canada and then he
Speaker 3: was totally he wasn't gonna be able to bring it
Speaker 3: back or something, because that's why he made the rubber
Speaker 3: mold or that's where that all came about. Because I
Speaker 3: guess he made the rubber one because he was so
Speaker 3: afraid that he was gonna get caught for like murder
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Frank Hanson though, like he not only did he have
Speaker 1: this you know Minnesota Iceman possible body and stuff, he
Speaker 1: had like historical John Deere tractors as well. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the very very first one. I think maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about that. Yeah, certainly historical tractors like this is
Speaker 1: a known thing. Pretty interesting, But again that just means
Speaker 1: he's a showman, which probably means he probably shouldn't be trusted.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know, Like everything else
Speaker 1: in bigfoot Land, man, just like there's so many convoluted
Speaker 1: avenues and rumors and this, and that's I.
Speaker 3: Think you just getting the wrath of the Carneys.
Speaker 1: Or the Bigfoot community. I don't know. Yeah, clowns in
Speaker 1: the circus. Well, thank you for that question, Nigel, and
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I did get a copy of the book as well,
Speaker 2: so greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And here is an equally gruesome and macabre question for.
Speaker 6: You, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Adam Gusman for Texas here
Speaker 6: big fan, been listening since the beginning. Had a non
Speaker 6: Bigfoot question for you, Cliff, you've mentioned Oingo Boingo many times,
Speaker 6: Just curious what your favorite song is, and same question
Speaker 6: for you, Bobo, but regards sublime.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, and keep it Squatchy.
Speaker 1: My favorite Oingo Boingo's song, private Life.
Speaker 3: That's a good one.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a great one.
Speaker 3: This is my private life. Yeah, I like it only
Speaker 3: a lad too, because that reminds me of dancing at
Speaker 3: the high school dances. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, that whole period, like those three albums. See
Speaker 1: dead Man's Party. It's okay. I think that's when they
Speaker 1: turned the page. It's just like, uh like like like
Speaker 1: the Chili Peppers, they turned the page and became kind
Speaker 1: of much more mainstream. I should with like Blood Sex
Speaker 1: Magic I think it was called. And the albums before that, though,
Speaker 1: are the best ones by far. I think dead Man's
Speaker 1: Party did that. They put dead Man's Party put uh
Speaker 1: Oingo Boingo on the charts, but the albums before that
Speaker 1: only lad. It was a good fear of soul and
Speaker 1: nothing to fear those three albums. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a bad cut on any of those albums.
Speaker 3: And they asked you what was my favorite Sublime song?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I couldn't say just one. I like, uh,
Speaker 3: I like it SCP, I like uh what happened There's
Speaker 3: I like. I like several of them a lot. Uh oh.
Speaker 3: DJs Man.
Speaker 2: When it comes to their singles, Santo Ria is my
Speaker 2: favorite of the radio hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's good. So I like, I love Sanaa
Speaker 3: and uh Badfish. That's a great one.
Speaker 2: Santoria to me like really flexes all the like songwriting chops,
Speaker 2: vocal chops, you know, there's some humor in it. Great
Speaker 2: guitar chops in that solo, which is like a super
Speaker 2: clean solo. You know, it's like a really technical solo,
Speaker 2: but it's not you know, overdriven and compressed. Like it's
Speaker 2: just there's a whole lot of chops in that song
Speaker 2: that covers a lot of ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 1: and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. That
Speaker 1: is it for the voicemails. So let me grab some
Speaker 1: of these written submissions. Yeah, we still have some time
Speaker 1: for a couple of those, I think. Yeah, So here
Speaker 1: is the first of the written questions for you. Would
Speaker 1: you like to read it?
Speaker 3: Bobo? Sure? Bob Brewer, that deer and elk throughout thought
Speaker 3: to be primary food sources for squash. Has anyone brought
Speaker 3: up the possible effects of wasting disease? It's been prevalent
Speaker 3: in Colorado for years, it's now in the ozars. Could
Speaker 3: sus squats be vulnerable in these areas. As your dad bruh.
Speaker 2: It does not seem to have made the leap from
Speaker 2: ungulates to primates. So there's plenty of humans who've consumed
Speaker 2: ungulate flesh that has chronic wasting disease and it's not
Speaker 2: shown up in humans yet. I don't know that it's impossible.
Speaker 2: It might be very possible. I've heard a number of
Speaker 2: different podcasts and experts speak about it, but it seems
Speaker 2: like the concern for that is existent, but a fairly
Speaker 2: low concern at this point, as far as I understand.
Speaker 1: It, and you know, I'd like to pop in here
Speaker 1: that I think the deer and elk thing might be
Speaker 1: over played a bit.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I know money Maker would disagree with me. He's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent on the deer train. As far as I know,
Speaker 1: I think the deer and elk thing might be just
Speaker 1: a bit over like pushed a little too hard. I
Speaker 1: think so to be primary food sources, Okay, primary maybe.
Speaker 1: I think that in the same sort of way that
Speaker 1: chocolate pudding is a primary resource or a primary food
Speaker 1: item for Cliff. Deer and elk would be fantastic items
Speaker 1: to get when they can, but the evidence that I've
Speaker 1: personally observed in my own life with my own eyes
Speaker 1: indicates that rodents and insects seem to be primary food sources.
Speaker 1: So I don't know because I haven't seen, you know,
Speaker 1: piles of deer and deer. I haven't seen all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I do think there's a correlation, and I think that
Speaker 1: part of that correlation is not only that Sasquatches would
Speaker 1: be happy to take deer down if they could, and
Speaker 1: they do. Don't get me wrong, I just don't. I hesitate, man,
Speaker 1: I could be very very wrong, but Moneymaker would certainly
Speaker 1: say I am. But I hesitate to say that deer
Speaker 1: and elk are the primary food sources for sasquatch. I
Speaker 1: think it's like the items that they would prefer to get,
Speaker 1: but there are so many other things that are easy
Speaker 1: to get. So, and it has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: your question, but I just want to put that out
Speaker 1: there that when you look a look at the stuff
Speaker 1: that they do, or that they've been seen eating and
Speaker 1: whatever else, I think the smaller game items might be
Speaker 1: more primary than deer in olk.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just did some quick research just for clarification since
Speaker 2: we are talking about something health related I don't want
Speaker 2: to get it wrong, and I've heard it pronounced both
Speaker 2: pre on and prion, so I'm going to go with
Speaker 2: prion because that seems more correct to me, But I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. But it says there is significant concern
Speaker 2: that CWD could jump to humans, but there's no evidence
Speaker 2: to date that this has happened. Laboratory studies have shown
Speaker 2: that chronic wasting disease prions can infect human sales and
Speaker 2: genetically modified humanized mice, and prion diseases in the past,
Speaker 2: like mad cow disease, have crossed this DEC's barrier with
Speaker 2: serious effects, which raises fears that other prions could similarly
Speaker 2: adapt over time, and since CWD is spreading and evolving,
Speaker 2: that might increase cross species transmission risk in the future.
Speaker 2: But however, research demonstrates a robust species barrier at the moment,
Speaker 2: and that a twenty twenty four National Institute of Health
Speaker 2: study found that high levels of CWD prions failed to
Speaker 2: infect human brain cells, and a decade long study in
Speaker 2: macaque showed no CWD transmission after exposure, So it seems
Speaker 2: like the juries out at this point in terms of
Speaker 2: how that could or when it could happen. But it
Speaker 2: seems like it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3: Well it doesn't. That would suck. I can see it
Speaker 3: happening though.
Speaker 2: Well, if it did happen, they'd be a lot easier
Speaker 2: to discover. Yeah, there you go, silver linings. Yeah, silver linings.
Speaker 2: Always look at the right side. Now, we did talk
Speaker 2: about this on the member side, but the main folks
Speaker 2: have not heard about this yet, So this is a
Speaker 2: good one for Cliff.
Speaker 1: Okay, John Jackson is asking when a track is found,
Speaker 1: everyone's first instinct is to reach for the plaster to
Speaker 1: make a cast. Would there be any benefit to scooping
Speaker 1: up that substrate for an e DNA analysis? Okay, yes
Speaker 1: and no, Yes and no, not really at this point,
Speaker 1: but maybe hopefully in the future. I've got a couple
Speaker 1: of thoughts on this, and I hate to be contrarian.
Speaker 1: Two questions in a row. I think the first indication,
Speaker 1: or first instinct is for people to touch the thing.
Speaker 1: People just touch footprints in the ground. They go, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, look at this, and they touch it immediately.
Speaker 1: That's because humans, of course, their dominant sense is sight,
Speaker 1: so they look at it and go oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And then the secondary is they're going to touch it,
Speaker 1: just like when my dog, so she was still alive,
Speaker 1: dog rest her soul, first thing she would do is
Speaker 1: smell it, because that's their dominant sense, and then she'd
Speaker 1: put in her mouth. I see it every single day
Speaker 1: when I'm doing these gigs, you know, doing these events
Speaker 1: and speaking gigs, and I'm at my table. People come up,
Speaker 1: they go, oh my gosh, look at that, and they
Speaker 1: immediately touch whatever is on there. So first instinct is
Speaker 1: always a touch to the thing, which is a hard
Speaker 1: thing to overcome, you know. So first n sync is that.
Speaker 1: But of course I know what you're actually saying. You're
Speaker 1: not really saying that, but I just want to bring
Speaker 1: that up again, just to put that out there that
Speaker 1: if you are ever lucky enough to see a nice
Speaker 1: looking print in the ground, do not touch it, please.
Speaker 1: But as far as benefits of scooping up the substrate
Speaker 1: for an DNA analysis, my understanding of e DNA at
Speaker 1: this point, I'm no expert at all. I'm involved in
Speaker 1: a study with the Darby or cut in the North
Speaker 1: Carolina State University and all that stuff, but I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just
Speaker 1: a nerd like you guys, a learner whoa whoa, well
Speaker 1: like everybody else about you bombs but you're still a learner,
Speaker 1: right yeah, just not the nerd part. But anyway, like
Speaker 1: the DNA part, at this point, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: necessarily any benefit for that, and that's it's because of this,
Speaker 1: it's because of the difficulties with the E DNA. The
Speaker 1: way Darby is plained it to me is that at
Speaker 1: this point, since we do not have sasquatch DNA, we
Speaker 1: do not have a known sample. Finding an unknown sample
Speaker 1: is kind of like saying this to somebody, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a word in this encyclopedia or better at the internet.
Speaker 1: There's a word on the Internet. It could have nine
Speaker 1: to seventy letters in it, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you what that word is. Go find it. And
Speaker 1: you're like, what, see, Yeah, there's a word out there.
Speaker 1: I know what it is, but really nobody knows what
Speaker 1: it is, and we're not going to tell you what
Speaker 1: it is. But you have to go find that word
Speaker 1: on the Internet. And that's kind of what it's like.
Speaker 1: Whereas if you had had a sasquatch sample, that word
Speaker 1: would be known, and you can just go, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to use the search function. I'm going to use
Speaker 1: the find function. I'm going to find this guy and
Speaker 1: google it and there you got it, right, But that's
Speaker 1: not the way it is right now. We don't know
Speaker 1: what We don't even know what we're looking for. We
Speaker 1: know some but it should kind of look like but
Speaker 1: that's an assumption as well. So anyway, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what the EDNA situation is right now. So the EDNA
Speaker 1: study that I'm involved in right now, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess there's a really far outside chance of actually
Speaker 1: getting an DNA hit on the thing, maybe maybe depending
Speaker 1: on the type of tests that you want to run,
Speaker 1: which you know, the better the test, the more expensive
Speaker 1: it is, et cetera. But the stuff that we're trying
Speaker 1: to do is learn a little bit about maybe where
Speaker 1: they're going or whatever might be in there, you know,
Speaker 1: like we take some samples from within the footprint and
Speaker 1: with outside the outside the footprint and compare them all
Speaker 1: and see what's only inside versus only outside, right, So
Speaker 1: seeing what we can learn. Maybe there's a pall in
Speaker 1: or something might tell us where they're hanging out. We
Speaker 1: don't know we don't know what there is. But at
Speaker 1: this point in the game, even the basic tests, you know,
Speaker 1: at at cost, not even retail, like if you go
Speaker 1: to a lab, you got to pay more for time
Speaker 1: and all at cost. Just the materials are several thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Who wants to do that? You know, like, do you
Speaker 1: want to do that? I meant most bigfooters, most people
Speaker 1: in general, just don't have that kind of funded funding.
Speaker 1: So at this point, I'm not so sure it's worth
Speaker 1: collecting the soil from that. You know, Darby knows I
Speaker 1: have the mattress prints, and I took the soil from
Speaker 1: the mattress before I frame them, before I frame the
Speaker 1: swatches there. He knows I have those. You can. I've
Speaker 1: got probably twenty or thirty casts in my garage right now,
Speaker 1: cast over the last few years. That's still a dirt
Speaker 1: on them. He knows that too. Not interested in it,
Speaker 1: right because there's not much you could do about that
Speaker 1: at this point. So I think in the future, once
Speaker 1: we get a hit on sasquatch DNA, then I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be of interest because you can find out, oh,
Speaker 1: which sasquatch was this when we start keeping track of
Speaker 1: individuals in certain areas. Most of that will be done,
Speaker 1: just like with other mammals, by studying the signs they
Speaker 1: leave behind, not by visually observing sasquatches. All mammals, whether
Speaker 1: you're talking you know whatever, bears or sasquatches or what.
Speaker 1: All mammals are very hard to observe with your eyes.
Speaker 1: Most of them are nocturnal, most of them don't want
Speaker 1: to have anything to do with you know you're coming
Speaker 1: before you get there and leave the area. So the
Speaker 1: best way to study mammals is to look at the
Speaker 1: sport the stuff they leave behind. So when we have
Speaker 1: the sasquatch yet, we will, in my opinion, we will
Speaker 1: be tracking sasquatch individuals by their DNA And that's my
Speaker 1: hopes of working with North Carolina State University at this
Speaker 1: point is that they will get a hit and then
Speaker 1: we can go back to the data I've already collected
Speaker 1: and start tracking those individuals and continue doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I think that would
Speaker 1: be a fantastic way to spend my time, But at
Speaker 1: this point I'm not so sure that there's any use
Speaker 1: in that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Speaker 1: Cliff and Bobo. Be right back after these messages, do
Speaker 1: you ice?
Speaker 3: I just found dude that I've been like, I found
Speaker 3: on the move, I said the rest of I found
Speaker 3: some really cool stuff. I found some stuff, some possible
Speaker 3: hair DNA or hair hair samples.
Speaker 1: I know a guy, his name's Derby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna send them. I'm gonna send them in
Speaker 3: next week.
Speaker 1: Let me know if you need a direction to send
Speaker 1: that or phone number, email or something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, well there is one more written submission. I think
Speaker 2: this would be a fun one to end on. I
Speaker 2: like such thought experiments.
Speaker 3: Nathan Craig, if you could go back in time to
Speaker 3: investigate one particular event or sighting within the Bigfoot world
Speaker 3: that isn't the PG sighting? What which which would it be?
Speaker 3: And why.
Speaker 1: There's so many?
Speaker 2: Which one would you want to be there to be
Speaker 2: present for to observe to see if it went down
Speaker 2: the way they said it went down.
Speaker 3: Maybe Ape Canyon, just because it's so iconic, but that
Speaker 3: would be kind of scared they didn't see too much.
Speaker 3: Maybe not that's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could just be posted up on the
Speaker 2: hillside or like wherever you have a commanding view, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm guessing since you have a time machine, like
Speaker 2: you could bring a thermal back with you, you know,
Speaker 2: or a camera or something.
Speaker 3: It doesn't say that for it.
Speaker 1: Oh, he did say investigate, so we have to assume that,
Speaker 1: like this event just happened and you're the investigator and
Speaker 1: you go out there. He didn't say witness. He didn't
Speaker 1: say witness it. He said investigate one particular event or
Speaker 1: sighting close very semantically oriented today. Yeah, I'm full of
Speaker 1: piss and vinegar. Is why, man, You're like, wow, first instinct.
Speaker 3: It had been pretty cool to see the cripple foot
Speaker 3: tracks in the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from it's got to be the Framan footage for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because no one did it for so long, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, growing up in Bigfoot Land, people were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: the area has changed so much, they developed it, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Oh that wasn't true. The trees are all
Speaker 1: still there. Nobody, I mean apparently West, Summerlin and maybe Paul.
Speaker 1: I think West did it for sure, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if Paul did it. Measured the tree at the
Speaker 1: time and they said it was about seven feet about.
Speaker 1: Isn't good enough, you know, I mean, and the footprints
Speaker 1: that were there. There were other footprints at the site,
Speaker 1: and of course Paul told conflicting stories about what he
Speaker 1: did immediately afterwards, probably out of embarrassment because he was
Speaker 1: so afraid. So there's a lot of unfinished business in
Speaker 1: my opinion, having to do with the Freeman footage. So
Speaker 1: for me, it would have to be that event, because
Speaker 1: there was a lot there that was not mined, you know,
Speaker 1: and it should have been that every ounce of gold
Speaker 1: should have been gotten out of that one before it
Speaker 1: was put away. And I just don't think that it
Speaker 1: was a very robust investigation closer to the actual event
Speaker 1: of August twentieth, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3: What did the invent poster where you could commercially buy
Speaker 3: plaster of Paris? Do you don't have any idea about that?
Speaker 3: Like or something similar, really similar?
Speaker 1: I think that then like the Romans have it or
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know, well, I mean.
Speaker 3: Think you go on a store and just buy it
Speaker 3: like a bag.
Speaker 1: Who knows or no.
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to my interpretation because I think
Speaker 2: if you have a time machine, it's not like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's a time machine. You can go to any time
Speaker 2: except when it happened. You can only go in the aftermath.
Speaker 1: Of what it happened. That'd be a pretty crappy time machine.
Speaker 3: Oh the Balman Balman, I'd go Bauman.
Speaker 2: I would want to see the Glenn Thomas sighting. Imagine
Speaker 2: if you had a camera and you can get footage
Speaker 2: of that whole event, if it happened the way he
Speaker 2: said it, you'd get minutes of daylight, unobstructed footage of
Speaker 2: them interacting with those rocks, which are still displaced to
Speaker 2: this day. And you'd be able to document all that
Speaker 2: and show the world exactly what moved those rocks.
Speaker 1: And it'd be a long extended clip.
Speaker 2: You'd know what an adult male and adult female juvenile
Speaker 2: look like. I mean, there'd be so much if you
Speaker 2: could just get posted up with a camera and document that.
Speaker 2: There's other things I'd want to see or experience, like
Speaker 2: a canyon would be super cool. A bunch of those
Speaker 2: other stories, but I think that one would be the
Speaker 2: most data rich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you're changed it there, but you're
Speaker 3: saying you're gonna view it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says if you could go back in time.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's saying investigate. I mean I think
Speaker 2: he's saying, like to participate in, to observe, to investigate,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Like, it's a time machine.
Speaker 2: It's not like, hey, you can go back to any
Speaker 2: point in time except while the thing's happening. You can
Speaker 2: only go back in time after it happened. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you can investigate it. Then you can
Speaker 1: investigate it. Well, you could witness it and investigate it afterwards.
Speaker 1: Nathan Craig, You're gonna have to tell us did you
Speaker 1: mean investigate or witness?
Speaker 3: You're causing problems here, man, straighten it out.
Speaker 1: You're like breaking up the trio. You're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: You think we're all in different states or be a
Speaker 1: fistfight right now.
Speaker 3: Nathan Craig's a Yoko Ono of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I think just offering a thought experiment about a time machine.
Speaker 1: It can't have too many.
Speaker 2: He already put in one caveat, like anything other than
Speaker 2: the patterns, insiding like, okay, I'll give you that one caveat,
Speaker 2: but then to have other well, you can only.
Speaker 1: Go in the aftermath. You can only investigate it afterwards.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, man, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Did Bob Gimlin investigate the Patterson Giblin site or did
Speaker 1: Bob Titmas investigate the Patterson Giblin site.
Speaker 2: I would say Gimblin did both. He not only observed
Speaker 2: the thing that happened, but then you know, he subsequently
Speaker 2: followed up on the tracks and they cast a right
Speaker 2: and laughed, et cetera, et cetera. I think you're zero,
Speaker 2: very hung up on like the literal technical definition of
Speaker 2: investigate here in your semantic obsession today.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I like that plaster of Paris.
Speaker 3: It's been available since the eighteen hundreds commercially, like you
Speaker 3: go in and buy it. So I'm just wondering why
Speaker 3: no one else casts tracks sooner.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 3: That is a good question.
Speaker 2: You should submit it using the contact form below and
Speaker 2: see what we'll answer it next time.
Speaker 1: Remember, but Nathan, I want I want to know your intent. Nathan,
Speaker 1: send us an email. Get this all riled up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, that is it for the written submissions, and we
Speaker 2: got plenty of submissions and a voicemail from the pigeons.
Speaker 3: All right, cou cou COO.
Speaker 1: Want to gets out of here? Bobs.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm gonna leave in all that silence, you're
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