Speaker 1: Heather made it.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, is this gonna be a fuster you know what?
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, we're late. We had uh we had a
Speaker 1: little emergency with the regularly scheduled uh uh engineer today
Speaker 1: and I was brought off the bench to pinch hit.
Speaker 1: And it's been like years since I've actually done this,
Speaker 1: so I forgot the passwords, I forgot everything. Now we're here.
Speaker 1: It's Saturday. It's a eleven eleven AM, only eleven minutes late,
Speaker 1: but we are here for Hobby Hotline for Saturday, June
Speaker 1: the twentieth, two thousand and six, episode number three ninety two.
Speaker 1: And I'm joined I'm Chris Harris, by the way, for
Speaker 1: those of you are listening to this a few days
Speaker 1: from now. I'm joined by Uncle Rich Klein. Always good
Speaker 1: to have Uncle Rich on the show. And Lauren say hi, Uncle.
Speaker 2: John Newman should never not schedule me for a month,
Speaker 2: because now I've been on twice too straight.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an emergency. Rich, You're last.
Speaker 3: Laura, we reliable. You're who we turn to when we
Speaker 3: need hobby opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also joined by Lauren. How you doing that?
Speaker 3: I had internet issues? So I hope it's working I'm
Speaker 3: sorry if.
Speaker 1: It's okay anyway, what should we talk about? Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the US soccer team. Yeah, who's got World Cup fever? Huh,
Speaker 1: my wife?
Speaker 2: I say that I was able to sub was the
Speaker 2: wax Sports one of their story Monday Cup. Why don't
Speaker 2: we do that? As Delhi is literally a hunt, we
Speaker 2: may do world War like. I don't have to dent
Speaker 2: for another of their grand open store closer.
Speaker 1: So I guess, as the resident hobby hotline soccer guy,
Speaker 1: I gotta say I've waited my entire life to see
Speaker 1: the US play this in a World Cup. I mean.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can say it's only Paraguay, it's only Australia,
Speaker 1: but still, I mean, if if you're Paraguay, right, if
Speaker 1: you if you qualify out of South America, you have
Speaker 1: to run the gauntlet because there's only ten countries in
Speaker 1: South America. You play all the other nine nations twice
Speaker 1: and that's eighteen games. And they can't give up only
Speaker 1: six goals in eighteen games in South American qualifying and
Speaker 1: we scored four on them. I mean, and they did
Speaker 1: it without their best player for the second half of
Speaker 1: the first game. And they did it without Polisic for
Speaker 1: the uh second game against Australia. So I am just
Speaker 1: excited they won the group with one game left left.
Speaker 1: Despair and yeah, what do you guys think? Are you
Speaker 1: on the bandwagon? I have?
Speaker 2: I mean I was watching that like r.
Speaker 1: Row.
Speaker 3: We are struggling today.
Speaker 1: There he is. I don't know what happened. Rich, you're
Speaker 1: on mute. Rich. All right, let's let's take Rich off
Speaker 1: for a second. Like I said, I'm not the normal
Speaker 1: engineer here.
Speaker 3: All right, you're doing great, Chris.
Speaker 1: No, I'm trying. I'm trying to get going.
Speaker 3: We're trying on the internet issues. We're fighting the odds here.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, Laurena. Have you been watching
Speaker 1: the World Cup, not not just the US but all
Speaker 1: the other games? Well, have you been watching.
Speaker 3: Or I haven't been watching consistently. I have been trying
Speaker 3: to check in and see the updates and stuff. Will say, Chris,
Speaker 3: if you had been this committed to the women's team,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have been as disappointed for so long because
Speaker 3: they Yeah, I know it's not the same, but it's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they at least carried period the country for
Speaker 3: a little bit, so I'm sure it's it's nice for
Speaker 3: you know, the men's USA teams actually stay in contention,
Speaker 3: I know for the Olympics and for the World Cup.
Speaker 3: Usually it's kind of a bummer. So I'm glad they
Speaker 3: have something for guilt root for. I mean, the Knicks
Speaker 3: did it, so why not Team USA?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Why not? It's been fifty three years, so I think
Speaker 1: we've waited for the US for a little bit longer
Speaker 1: than that. But uh yeah, let's go to the chat.
Speaker 1: There's been some interesting uh comments. Straight afore Moves is
Speaker 1: running smoother than hobby Hotline. You could say that, uh
Speaker 1: four collectors didn't pay the bill this month. Maybe fanatics
Speaker 1: hacked into the stream. If they did that, maybe this
Speaker 1: show is going to be like one million Cubs show
Speaker 1: once a month. No, the soccer guy was in charge.
Speaker 1: That explains every it does. Hold on a sec. Are
Speaker 1: we back there, Rich? Have you Rich? I'm here.
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: Is it time for a hydration break? Yet? No? Not yet?
Speaker 1: Still have about fifteen more minutes to go before we
Speaker 1: get to the hydra. Uh have some good mornings from
Speaker 1: Pacemaker cards. More good mornings. Shout out to the people
Speaker 1: watching live. Rich is a gift to the man. Let's
Speaker 1: see what's the agenda. We're talking soccer baby. Every four years,
Speaker 1: America is reminded how insignificant their homegrown sports are insignificant. Okay,
Speaker 1: Rich didn't think long to fulfill his plug obligations. Not
Speaker 1: sure if that's a compliment or not. Imagine getting jazzed
Speaker 1: over the group stage. Well find Joey where you could?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, see what else I'm calling commercial breaks? Hydration breaks
Speaker 1: is revolutionary? Kudos to FIFA. Is the draw of soccer
Speaker 1: the game or the party surrounding? Kind of both, kind
Speaker 1: of both. Team Turkey has sabotaged this Team USA propaganda
Speaker 1: ahead of the June twenty fifth match, and that's because
Speaker 1: Turkey a lost last night, so they're eliminated and the
Speaker 1: US automatically won the group so that third group stage
Speaker 1: game means nothing. Go Chris go, you got this. Thank you, Laura.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's been a while since I've actually
Speaker 1: done this. So I'm ready to move to Holland just
Speaker 1: to follow the bus. And yeah they so, Holland has
Speaker 1: this orange double decker bus that goes with them everywhere,
Speaker 1: and they shipped that bus to Galveston just for the
Speaker 1: World Cup and it almost came in late, by the way,
Speaker 1: So let's see the Scottish invasion of Boston. We got
Speaker 1: to talk about these Scottish kids. They literally drank Boston dry.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Sam Adams tap house bar ran out
Speaker 1: of beer.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: But the thing is that this has been the first
Speaker 1: World Cup Skyland has been since nineteen so you have
Speaker 1: a lot of pent up demand. But yeah, the Scottish
Speaker 1: fans chef's gifts to those guys. Let's see any anything
Speaker 1: else here. Yeah, I'm thinking about doing the landon Donovan
Speaker 1: whatever he did. Bring up the receding hairline. I'm middle aged. Okay,
Speaker 1: the reflection pool paint job will last longer than the USMNT.
Speaker 1: The reflection pool paint job is actually starting to peel up.
Speaker 1: I was watching something on the news today that chunks
Speaker 1: of blue paint are already peeling off it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can have dual relics in the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a what a metaphor for our times. By
Speaker 1: the way, anyway, soccer, Yeah, it's here. We're good at it. Now,
Speaker 1: get used to it. Let's move on to another topic. God,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other hobby. A certain basketball team
Speaker 1: won the NBA Finals. You may have heard for the
Speaker 1: first time in fifty three years the New York Cannicks.
Speaker 1: Is that how you pronounced it?
Speaker 3: I believe that, or is the k silent Knickerbuckers the Kinnickerbockers.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I guess since this is a hobby show,
Speaker 1: we have to have a hobby angle here. What what
Speaker 1: do you think this does to basketball cards in general
Speaker 1: and Knicks cards in particular. I'll open the floor up
Speaker 1: to uh, either one of you.
Speaker 3: We'll rich back that off earlier.
Speaker 2: So I think I was shocked because with the score
Speaker 2: and was five or that we're going six? And I
Speaker 2: woke up to this nick one? Uh did I wake
Speaker 2: up in the og? Was really the old on a
Speaker 2: hobby Lepologies to those not It's always good when it's
Speaker 2: so that helps. And this will lead into an upcome
Speaker 2: topic too. It's really depressed the women because are p
Speaker 2: after loss. You have probably a generational young player still
Speaker 2: going through a learning As I said, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: it later, but as a Knicks enjoy the moment and
Speaker 2: also enjoy I wonder how many tops and tops and
Speaker 2: tops two months are going to have all these celenda
Speaker 2: background These celebrities turn out to be an important part
Speaker 2: of quote height of the card mark. We recently had
Speaker 2: a Yasiel Topskisa so for like sixty k because some
Speaker 2: guy named Kobe deconvisible on the back of the card
Speaker 2: sharing the Dodgers. I mean sixty thousand dollars. That's that's
Speaker 2: a lot of money. But that's He's not the only
Speaker 2: celebrity in the back of all cards sitting on the
Speaker 2: select front road. You show up on cards, and so
Speaker 2: we have that. But plus, you know, we have the
Speaker 2: three guys from Villanova who were national Villanova and they
Speaker 2: are now and we have the Oge tap which tops
Speaker 2: now sold some insane in the cards and rightly so,
Speaker 2: because that's going to be a signal. And it brought
Speaker 2: back some interest in the old Knicks. You know, I
Speaker 2: grew up watching I was young. But may not believe
Speaker 2: my wife, but I remember the seventh NBAF. I remember
Speaker 2: the seventh NBA. We all thought the Knicks were going
Speaker 2: to be competitive for a long time. Fifty three years
Speaker 2: is almost as long as it took the Ranger for
Speaker 2: New York doesn't always get champions.
Speaker 1: Other than that's true, I mean, there were there was
Speaker 1: a lot of especially in the two thousands and twenty tens.
Speaker 1: I'll be back in confidence incompetent management from the Knicks.
Speaker 1: So let's take Rich off for the other side. Lauren,
Speaker 1: what do you uh? What did you think about the
Speaker 1: NBA Finals?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was fun? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And do you collect? Are you a basketball collector? First
Speaker 1: of all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, mainly basketball and some WWE Now, yeah, basketball is
Speaker 3: my my goat, though I love the w n B
Speaker 3: A and the and the m n B A, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought it was a fun series. I didn't have
Speaker 3: you know, Orlando exited once again in the first round,
Speaker 3: so I didn't have a dog in this fight. I
Speaker 3: just thought it was a fun series and I was
Speaker 3: happy for it to go to Game seven. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the Knicks got it done and there he is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was It was really cool to see. I think
Speaker 3: the story, the storylines, and the timing lined up just
Speaker 3: right for the NIXT I I know, hobby wise, I
Speaker 3: think Wemby's cards took hit, but I don't think that's
Speaker 3: like a long term thing he's I mean, is this
Speaker 3: part of his legacy obviously and be part of his story,
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's like a massive l on
Speaker 3: his career. It's it's a moment, you know, it gives
Speaker 3: him an opportunity for redemption. His furs are used to
Speaker 3: being a dynasty, the Knicks are not. It's you know,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting, and I'm I'm happy for the
Speaker 3: Knicks because it is a great story. Jayalen Brunson, you know,
Speaker 3: he put that team on his back and scored like
Speaker 3: forty three points in that final game and Og really
Speaker 3: came in clutched pat and yeah in the Villanova angle
Speaker 3: and and and yeah. In fIF three years of redemption
Speaker 3: in you know, one of the greatest city in the world,
Speaker 3: and you know, the legends, get Patrick Ewing being able
Speaker 3: to you know, be in a parade and hold the
Speaker 3: trophy like it's really cinematic. It's really beautiful. And uh yeah,
Speaker 3: the you know, the Knicks people. There's so many clips
Speaker 3: of people like Jon Stewart you know, for twenty five
Speaker 3: years talking about the Knicks on the Daily Show and
Speaker 3: his disappointment and staying loyal And to now see everybody
Speaker 3: a little bit more gray and a little bit more
Speaker 3: wrinkled and actually being able to celebrate it's really cool.
Speaker 3: It's really exciting. It gives me hope as an Orlando
Speaker 3: Magic fan, because we're only about thirty five years into
Speaker 3: our franchime, so hopefully, you know, by the time i'm
Speaker 3: you know, seventy will have at least one. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's great. The car I mean to talk
Speaker 3: about the cards, the tops now, it's really cool. The
Speaker 3: relics that they did, the the quintuple autograph that's of
Speaker 3: the starting five. Yeah, it's beautiful, like it's you know,
Speaker 3: the the Jalen Brunson and Walt Fraser relic Auto relic
Speaker 3: card of the floors, like it's everything is just really like, uh,
Speaker 3: it's it's just really lining up like beautifully, Like it
Speaker 3: just kind of ties up in a nice neat bow
Speaker 3: with all the good, feel good stories and and you
Speaker 3: know the history and you know, fifty three years and
Speaker 3: it's I think, you know, I'm sure if you're a
Speaker 3: first fan, it doesn't feel that good. But if you're
Speaker 3: a basketball fan, especially if you're a Knicks fan, I
Speaker 3: think and a hobby and a collector and the hobby,
Speaker 3: I think that this is probably one of the best
Speaker 3: things that could have happened to you. It just feels good.
Speaker 3: It's a feel good story and it's exciting. Everybody's excited
Speaker 3: for everybody, which.
Speaker 2: And unlike previous some previous basketball teams, the Knicks are likeable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then something there too. The players are all likable
Speaker 2: and that and that also helps forget you know, skipping
Speaker 2: and skipping the price and they're likable and that does
Speaker 2: you know you're you're a baskets And if I remember
Speaker 2: the basketball sport, yeah, yeah, to hear you say what
Speaker 2: you said, I think you know, Chris is a soccer
Speaker 2: Chris just befing down to watch his soccer here in Dallas.
Speaker 2: We got to hang out, like in late February of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Who was going to happen before the pandemic. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: hearing that is great.
Speaker 2: You'd be great for you know, Orlandoky. I believe that
Speaker 2: was not. So we got swept. You know, they got
Speaker 2: to the finals yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been waiting a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not as long as the Knicks fans though. So
Speaker 3: that's why it gives me hope. I got, you know,
Speaker 3: about twenty ish years of wiggle room before I can
Speaker 3: really start the plane again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the twenty years go to the chat Thank god,
Speaker 1: we don't need to hear from Knicks fans for another
Speaker 1: fifty years. Yeah, this is the moment when Europeans realize
Speaker 1: their vacation of La Houston, New York. Who goes to
Speaker 1: Who wants to vacation in Houston without a car? David
Speaker 1: Robinson better than Wemby? Yeah, sure about that. Get back
Speaker 1: to us in about five or six years. Let's see,
Speaker 1: hobby is populated by people who collect what they like,
Speaker 1: not what they're told to. Yes, I agree, you don't
Speaker 1: become a generational player until ten to fifteen years in
Speaker 1: the league. He's a generational prospect. It won't end well
Speaker 1: for Wemby cards and never would out of the gate
Speaker 1: once the nonsense started. Nonsense, I don't know what that's
Speaker 1: I did a line with Bernard King, Well, that explains
Speaker 1: a lot. Don't do drugs? Do cards?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 1: I agree with Rich's wife? Rich? You just got a
Speaker 1: yellow card? So yeah, let's see. Why does every hobby
Speaker 1: topic happen to mention the price attached to player? Well,
Speaker 1: it's a hobby show, just saying asking for a small
Speaker 1: minority of collectors. Look, I could care less how much
Speaker 1: a card A rare one of one card sell because
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna collect it. I'm never gonna buy it.
Speaker 1: But there are some people who genuinely orangeury. I know
Speaker 1: a couple of like maybe a month ago, a one
Speaker 1: of one of Barry Bonds sold for like two hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty thousand dollars. Well, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I bought a box at nineteen ninety nine Flear Cards
Speaker 1: Player Showcase and guess what, I pulled a one on
Speaker 1: one Barry Bond. So that kind of interests me. And no,
Speaker 1: I'm not selling it. Everything is better when New York wins. No,
Speaker 1: I don't agree, especially for those of us that don't
Speaker 1: ne York after fifty years. I'm happy for the Knicks. Okay,
Speaker 1: the greatest seven foot four frenchmen of all time remains
Speaker 1: Andre the Giant. Yeah, I agree. Remember when Tops did
Speaker 1: Subway token cards in two thousands, that was for They
Speaker 1: made a special set for the World Series that year,
Speaker 1: I believe, and.
Speaker 2: Those were great, And I'll agree those were.
Speaker 1: It was a cool set, cool concept. It'll be interesting
Speaker 1: non Knicks fans will soon load the franchise. The celebrity
Speaker 1: and fans success breeds anti fans. What does the Knicks
Speaker 1: Championship do for the bip Roberts market now important question? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we could take a whole episode of Bobby
Speaker 1: Hotla to discuss the bip Roberts Market, but we gotta
Speaker 1: save that for another day. Wemby was scared on was
Speaker 1: never scared. He needs to bulk up like Andre back
Speaker 1: up on shooting too many threes. He's a hack. He
Speaker 1: needs to get better advice. Wemby. He needs to hire
Speaker 1: Bobby the Brain, he'd be his manager.
Speaker 2: No, he needs classy, Freddy Blassie.
Speaker 1: Miami is on fire. So many soccer fans here and
Speaker 1: free events. Yeah, all of these cities that are having
Speaker 1: World Cup.
Speaker 2: Man, it's been it's been quite.
Speaker 1: It's all about the flip. Money is the root of
Speaker 1: all evil. Flippers are evil, not necessarily flippers serve a purpose.
Speaker 1: I believe in the hobby. Nick's bandwagon is the only
Speaker 1: one I don't want to jump on. Okay, And when
Speaker 1: will the Rangers or Islanders win Stanley's Cup? I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a while. Yeah, let's see. I think
Speaker 1: it's time for a hydration break. What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The freeze? Yeah, yeah, I'm hearing it from the var
Speaker 1: right now. We need a hydration break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: But here are some commercials.
Speaker 3: So Laura, no, I'm not Yeah, We're we're missing this one. Yep,
Speaker 3: hydrate up everyone. Yeah. We have been to Dallas, I
Speaker 3: think since January, which pumps me out. I really like
Speaker 3: the show, but our schedules you packed right now and
Speaker 3: with you know, prepping for the National and everything, where
Speaker 3: we just have to sit this one down.
Speaker 1: I'm sure all right, hydration break is done. I hope
Speaker 1: everybody got all those fluids in them. Next topic, Lauren,
Speaker 1: you were just talking about the NSC seed and I
Speaker 1: feel that I've been to nineteen n scs. I've been
Speaker 1: to everyone since twenty ten, and I just feel this year,
Speaker 1: because it's back in Rosemont again, it's gonna be in
Speaker 1: Rosemont next again. Fridays and Saturdays at the National have
Speaker 1: just become this this mob scene now, and it's just
Speaker 1: not fun to go to the National because it's just
Speaker 1: gotten too big and I'm seriously thinking about skipping it.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I am still unemployed. The arm
Speaker 1: is getting better, and I feel like I need to
Speaker 1: go to the National this year, if only to network.
Speaker 1: First of all, what do you guys think about the
Speaker 1: National being in Rosemont again for a second straight year,
Speaker 1: does that make you want to go to it more
Speaker 1: or go to it less?
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I like Rosemont. I don't mind it
Speaker 3: now that they have a c I don't mind it
Speaker 3: at all. I'm happy to be there now that their
Speaker 3: air conditioning is working. Last year, I think they did well.
Speaker 3: Is my National? So every year there where you know,
Speaker 3: either the internet wasn't working, these he wasn't working. You
Speaker 3: know of Atlantic City was Atlantic City. I don't know.
Speaker 3: People have thoughts about the city. It is what it is,
Speaker 3: so I I like prospont The hotels are close. I
Speaker 3: think it's a nice area. They really let you know,
Speaker 3: the hobby community breathe. You know, people are happy to
Speaker 3: have us there. And you know, Chicago's a cool city.
Speaker 3: There's there's you know a lot of things to do
Speaker 3: as museums. You know, they have a lot of teaths.
Speaker 3: So I like it there. I'm in general happy. I
Speaker 3: like that it's in different places. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of people want them to go to Westernsissippi, but I
Speaker 3: I like it in Chicago. I don't really care at
Speaker 3: this point, you know, I don't really care one way
Speaker 3: or the other that we're doing three years in a
Speaker 3: row there. I'm just excited about it. I like it.
Speaker 3: I also like that I'm familiar with show floor and
Speaker 3: you know, getting in and and how where was it
Speaker 3: was Cleveland where the parking and the getting out was
Speaker 3: staying It took like three hours to get out of
Speaker 3: the parking lot at the end of the show. So,
Speaker 3: you know, like I think Chicago's familiar. I think people
Speaker 3: can kind of improve their experience every year because they, Okay,
Speaker 3: this hotel's too far. I'd rather stay at one that's
Speaker 3: actually connected. You know, do I want to uber do
Speaker 3: I want to walk? Do I want to stay in
Speaker 3: the city. Do I want to stay in Rosemont? So
Speaker 3: I think it gives people the opportunity to have a
Speaker 3: better experience. But you know, we all like to think.
Speaker 3: So if I wanted to complain, I'm sure I could
Speaker 3: find a lot of things that I don't like about it.
Speaker 2: So part of me has always said that the Nationals
Speaker 2: should be in Roseman. It's the center of the country.
Speaker 2: The airline is truly excessive, cab ride uber ride with
Speaker 2: tons of hotels in the air replaces to eat, and
Speaker 2: if you don't want to stay at the hotel, you know,
Speaker 2: and if you know how to do the trains, can
Speaker 2: stay outside the area and just and it's a short
Speaker 2: enough walk to that. And also if you want to
Speaker 2: park twelve the area and you don't want to do
Speaker 2: all the block, that zob too. So on our levels,
Speaker 2: the National meeting in Chicago every makes a ton of set.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, the whole purpose when the National,
Speaker 2: and I'm old enough to know when that, was to
Speaker 2: move it around the early years, we started into Detroit,
Speaker 2: went to Saint York City, AKA, then we went to
Speaker 2: back to Anna Hotel, We went to Arlington, we went
Speaker 2: in eighty seven to San Francisco, eighty eight, Atlantic City
Speaker 2: in Chicago, Nady Arlington for the Monster in Anaheim. And
Speaker 2: then it got more corporate and we stopped moving every
Speaker 2: single year we spent. Then we had Smith Bucklin. We
Speaker 2: went to Atlanta, then Chicago, so we went to a
Speaker 2: lot of difference and that was kind of cool. But
Speaker 2: if you keep the National in just one location, some people, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just going to be a big show with all
Speaker 2: the content creators and everybody gets to Chicago. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's really a big remort, I think, but I'm
Speaker 2: excited to hear about you think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: So I am not one hundred percent of Chicago, but
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred against in Chicago multiple and I
Speaker 2: think we can. I think the board when I say
Speaker 2: in the National managers get it mostly there is something
Speaker 2: we discussed lay. I disagree strongly with them upon but
Speaker 2: I understand. But I think they're doing the best day
Speaker 2: can members that the vote on where the National is
Speaker 2: not the three of us decisions. The dealers actually and
Speaker 2: the vendors want to be in Chicago, They'll be in.
Speaker 1: But wasn't there like a rule in the NSCC bylines
Speaker 1: that said, not only could you not have the National
Speaker 1: in the same city in back to bac year, not
Speaker 1: only could you not have it in the same state
Speaker 1: in back to back years, but you couldn't have it
Speaker 1: in a bordering state in back to the.
Speaker 2: Found I was actually at the meeting. It was at
Speaker 2: a bar at the eighty three Chicago National, and with
Speaker 2: my terrible handwriting, and I've written about this through it,
Speaker 2: I was having notes when we started creating bylines for
Speaker 2: the dad by law for that, and it was the
Speaker 2: National all the dealers, so you couldn't state and it
Speaker 2: had to be four hundred. That's I don't think those
Speaker 2: rules exist anymore. And again I'm okay with but that
Speaker 2: was by eighty because we were getting stuck in a middle.
Speaker 2: As I pointed, he won the Detroit area eighty two area.
Speaker 2: God though we were in a Midwestern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I don't mind it going back to
Speaker 1: Rosemont every couple of years, but I think you have
Speaker 1: to have it in the Northeast at least once every
Speaker 1: four or five years, I think, and other than Baltimore,
Speaker 1: if they ever get their act together and expand there,
Speaker 1: because the Baltimore Nationals of the early twenty to tens
Speaker 1: were great. It's just that the show's out grown it.
Speaker 1: The only other place that you can have a National
Speaker 1: realistically is Atlantic City. Yeah, everybody, everybody dumps on Atlantic City,
Speaker 1: but it is the facility itself is actually pretty. It is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go to the chat.
Speaker 2: If you're coming from out of town from a place
Speaker 2: like Dallas, it is a terrible way. You have to
Speaker 2: fly to Philly and figure out an hour.
Speaker 3: How to get there's a train.
Speaker 2: If you live in the megal Atlantic cities and you
Speaker 2: can drive there, if you can drive to Lake City,
Speaker 2: the area, it's a great option, good place for others,
Speaker 2: it's not so good. And I say this Atlantic City,
Speaker 2: by the way, growing up.
Speaker 3: Was like it was for a lot of community, my
Speaker 3: grandparents and my dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know the so Lauren, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm coming. I'm not anti Atlantic City. It's just a
Speaker 2: way to get there. You know.
Speaker 1: There there is a train that Philadelphia let you off
Speaker 1: right at the convention center. I'm just saying, you don't
Speaker 1: have to actually stay in Atlantic City for an Atlantic
Speaker 1: City Nash. Let's go to the chat here.
Speaker 3: Orlando said, not not dinner up, but Orlando actually said
Speaker 3: that Orlando would be a good place for a show.
Speaker 3: And I agree. I've had this conversation before. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're biased, we're in Florida, but Orlando has had really
Speaker 3: major cons here. You know, I know Disney is post
Speaker 3: black to talk about like you know, the dream booking.
Speaker 3: You know, you can come with your family and you
Speaker 3: can go to the card show. They can go to
Speaker 3: the parks. They can stay at the hotel and swim
Speaker 3: at the pool all day. They have a they have
Speaker 3: a great convention center. There's hotels, all along. It's very walkable.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's Orlando, so it is built for tourists.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that, you know, every large
Speaker 1: city in America has a convention center that could host
Speaker 1: the national It's just that can you afford to go there?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it if the Javit Center in
Speaker 1: Midtown Manhattan would be a great place to have a national,
Speaker 1: But I don't think the NFCC could afford that place.
Speaker 1: Fanatics can for fanatics. That's why they have it there,
Speaker 1: you know that. That's why we keep going to the
Speaker 1: Sea the NSC Steve, why we go to the Stephens
Speaker 1: Center in Rosemont instead of McCormick Place in downtown Chicago,
Speaker 1: which is the largest convention center in the United States.
Speaker 1: By the way, the ninety was that McCormick play. Let's
Speaker 1: go to the one million Cubs.
Speaker 2: Anaheim is a great place for a national as well.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Rob Verus is doing so well. West Sports
Speaker 2: Show there, you know he runs. I believe Actually this
Speaker 2: year it's the same weekend as Fanatics Fest and the
Speaker 2: Dallas Card Show. Talked about a fun week and the
Speaker 2: final you could hit all three if you've got enough.
Speaker 2: But Anaheim. There's a lot of hotels nearby. You've got
Speaker 2: a lot of good turn things and a great place
Speaker 2: for a national. If you could get the dealers to
Speaker 2: say they'd go there, I think you'd have a better
Speaker 2: shot of getting Orlando over over Anaheim, just because it's
Speaker 2: closer to the East coast. Atlanta did fairly well when
Speaker 2: they voted, you know, and I will say Orlando is fair.
Speaker 2: They have a show called If I Remember Fun, which
Speaker 2: is a coin show every January, which is a popular
Speaker 2: among all the coin teams. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the previous NSCC management said, and this was
Speaker 1: maybe like five or six. You bet they're never going
Speaker 1: to go back to Anaheim. There's that, But that was
Speaker 1: the previous man. All Right, I've been waiting for to
Speaker 1: show this one million cubs. Nobody goes to the National
Speaker 1: anymore because it's too packed. Well yeah, I was a
Speaker 1: little too packed with card bros and Pokemon, just like
Speaker 1: every other card show. Even Keating knows Steve Jeltz is
Speaker 1: the true goat. National talk must be at a topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like forty days now, we have to start
Speaker 3: talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, but the other thing I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: the National, and I wanted to bring this up, and
Speaker 2: I brought this up in our chat is this is
Speaker 2: the one thing I have problem is une at the
Speaker 2: badge it and I think Lauren you have and you
Speaker 2: had a really differed in our group chat about it's
Speaker 2: a real tough issue for any show promote. There was
Speaker 2: I saw a none on Instagram the Emerald City Ship
Speaker 2: which is in the Seattle area where it was a
Speaker 2: long walk and vendors basically got robbed. Now the two
Speaker 2: most juris times and cards. The National load in is
Speaker 2: not bad because you can actually drive your booth at
Speaker 2: the National, so you save the step of bringing stuff.
Speaker 2: You save the stuff of having to load the stuff
Speaker 2: from your car, you know, go outside, bring it in.
Speaker 2: You're saving that stuff that put a lot of load out.
Speaker 2: Most people are loading their stuff. They're not waiting till
Speaker 2: five o'clock where we can start driving their car too.
Speaker 2: But you need to have people to get from point
Speaker 2: A to B, and to me, there's a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: But I think every National should have be badge because
Speaker 2: you get table for every booth and not everybody's going
Speaker 2: to use it either. Sometimes it's pretty safe and sometimes
Speaker 2: you're not carrying supersif stuff. But I'd rather be safe
Speaker 2: and have an extra body, one person at the booth,
Speaker 2: one per moving to the and actually another part of
Speaker 2: the car, an eye on things so you don't get
Speaker 2: robbed your car or anything. And I think that what
Speaker 2: the National has also heard is there's also people complaining
Speaker 2: Tuesday with badge. Understood that point of it. Why you're
Speaker 2: giving so many people back, But if you look at
Speaker 2: it as a safe and not as immercial, it makes
Speaker 2: the sense to get the badge. And if some of
Speaker 2: them are walking around buying cards from give a show
Speaker 2: and it makes it helps pay the deal. It helps
Speaker 2: the minimum cost for any vendor at the National, unless
Speaker 2: you happen to live Chicago area and thus save the
Speaker 2: hotel cost three thousand dollars. It may even be up
Speaker 2: to that's a lot of money to spend before. And
Speaker 2: if I was a vendor and somebody told me, well,
Speaker 2: we're reducing the number of people walking around the show,
Speaker 2: not the people with what I currently have are going
Speaker 2: to buy any before a show opens anywhere, and I'd say, hey,
Speaker 2: the more people who are walking around, that bring them in.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see somebody posted this to social media.
Speaker 1: But maybe a month ago, they were doing load in
Speaker 1: at a card show at a big convention center, and
Speaker 1: the teamsters set up basically a told book because they
Speaker 1: have a contract basically, if you were not carrying your
Speaker 1: stuff in your own arm and required the use of
Speaker 1: a cart, then the teamsters, as part of the contract,
Speaker 1: had to do it for you, and you had to
Speaker 1: pay pay off one of their union goombas to do
Speaker 1: it for you. And they were setting yeah, they were
Speaker 1: setting up literally a toll booth in front of the
Speaker 1: loading dock to extract money from some dealers. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is another reason why the NSCC keeps going to the
Speaker 1: same places. You don't have to deal with some teamster
Speaker 1: goomba hitting me up for money. Let's go back to
Speaker 1: the chat here.
Speaker 2: Interrupt because oh yeah, because because I'm laughing, because way
Speaker 2: Bangaloria Ross White's card show, there were these two men
Speaker 2: and it was wonderful and it was it was basically
Speaker 2: a toll sheet say well, you can kind of bring
Speaker 2: in your stuff, but if you pay these two guys
Speaker 2: ten bucksy, they'll bring your stuff in. They were so efficient.
Speaker 2: I was thrilled every show to have forty dollars in
Speaker 2: a bayan's twenty dollars eight dollars out one trip each way,
Speaker 2: thank you, and then then I put the stuff in.
Speaker 2: It was really a very efficient. Then that was my
Speaker 2: twenty dollars. I figured a forty dollars just added to
Speaker 2: what my tato wasn't a bit, but that was what
Speaker 2: they were the same.
Speaker 1: Well, these guys were charging ten bucks. It was like
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying in those days, it was twenty
Speaker 2: bucks to hand these two guys and you knew that
Speaker 2: they were too, Yeah, and you know what you were
Speaker 2: paying them off for, and it was like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: and because they were really very good too. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were so efficient, I'd rather they deal with There
Speaker 2: was a steep.
Speaker 1: A few more comments. Sunday is the best day a
Speaker 1: free and clear Yeah, Sunday at the National is the
Speaker 1: best day to go. But other days on the weekend.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to bump elbows with people, but
Speaker 3: if you're trying to get your grail is not.
Speaker 1: It might not be there though.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I love it because it's a convenient ride from airport
Speaker 1: and the hotel is connected. Good food in the good
Speaker 1: food in the area. I don't know about that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's Gibson's, but you can't really eat Gibson's five days
Speaker 1: away you and the food in the convention center is overpriced.
Speaker 1: Keating is the Pennsylvania goat. That's questionable. The National is
Speaker 1: a scam. They do not travel National. Keep the National
Speaker 1: in Rosemont in perpetuity. Well, yeah, one million Cubs guy
Speaker 1: would say the National in Chicago. I think it should
Speaker 1: be in Rehoboth Beach Dell, but that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: So hydration blanks are for BBV. Deodorant is optional. Yeah.
Speaker 1: National smells like a colon Us can be post off room. Ye.
Speaker 1: Rich is wrong about the National. Chicago every year is whack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thinking of going to Detroit. And I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: Detroit because it's right on the river front. It's where
Speaker 1: they have the big Detroit Car Show, big enough to
Speaker 1: hold the National, and there's plenty of hotels downtown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited for for twenty twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: know Lauren would agree. They should have the National in
Speaker 1: Orlando one year. There's again there's the issue of ken
Speaker 1: the NFCC ford it Rosemont is great due to its location,
Speaker 1: but we need it in the East Coast. Again, AC
Speaker 1: gets a bed rep. It's not Kensington, Philadelphia Ish that
Speaker 1: make it out to Oh there are some sections of
Speaker 1: Atlantic City that k and a a run of it
Speaker 1: for its money. Florida would be great for the National.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people want Florida. Dallas card
Speaker 1: show difficult to get to from DFW, as AC is
Speaker 1: from Philly. There's a train that goes to the convention
Speaker 1: Center from Center City from thirtieth Street in Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: it drops you off right at the Convention Center in
Speaker 1: Atlantic City. What happened to the National? It's stuck in
Speaker 1: the Midwest and the East Coast now because that's where
Speaker 1: all the collectors are, and that's where all the dealers are,
Speaker 1: and that's where money in this Hoby. Don't worry, Fanatics
Speaker 1: will be the only card show around. Let's hope not.
Speaker 1: Many cities are limited by motel space near a convention center. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's another reason why it's never going to be
Speaker 1: at the Javit Center in Manhattan, because nobody wants to
Speaker 1: pay five hundred dollars a night for a midtown hotel room.
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time in convention centers. Not
Speaker 1: as simple. You're right swing by by mobile armory on
Speaker 1: your way to the convention center. We have thirty percent
Speaker 1: off bulletproofs. I went to a card show once where
Speaker 1: they had cards on the bottom floor and then a
Speaker 1: gun show at the top. Made for an interesting mix.
Speaker 1: PSA should be the influence for a West Coast show.
Speaker 1: Only four cities makes sense. Chicago, Vegas, Orlando, and Atlanta.
Speaker 1: They include four of the five largest convention centers in America.
Speaker 1: They're never going to go to them because the dealers
Speaker 1: would want people to spend the money at their tables
Speaker 1: and not at the blackjack table.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was full remember that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I blanked on it completely. We want the second year
Speaker 3: and it was I mean, it wasn't a card show exclusively,
Speaker 3: but there was a card show element to it, and
Speaker 3: it was fun. It was it was cool. We enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It'd be nice if they could explore it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Vegas is kind of a situation there, Ye.
Speaker 2: Lauren, if every collective is its a card show element,
Speaker 2: because you could be a card dealer next to some
Speaker 2: we'll call it a person with an idea you know,
Speaker 2: way to you know, do cards in the hobby something interesting.
Speaker 2: So it was really interesting. It was an inter mix,
Speaker 2: it was it was it was kind of cool. They're
Speaker 2: all variable were out. Yeah. The very first Mint collect
Speaker 2: was absolutely allayed because there was a wedding with one
Speaker 2: of the people running the Mint Collective. Like half the
Speaker 2: people at that wedding got collect oh, and it was
Speaker 2: quite an interest until they had to push it back
Speaker 2: until everybody got well right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second year was fun. They had like, uh,
Speaker 3: they did have the card show element, and like Rich said,
Speaker 3: you know, there were people with you know, different ideas
Speaker 3: and promoting ideas and stuff, and they had like panels
Speaker 3: like they had you know, it was almost kind of
Speaker 3: like like an industry I mean, I guess that's kind
Speaker 3: of point in the name, but it was like an
Speaker 3: industry convention where you could go into the card show
Speaker 3: and you could look at cards and you could you know,
Speaker 3: like a normal experience, but then you could also go
Speaker 3: to a panel with and listen to people that you know,
Speaker 3: you on a topic you care about or you know,
Speaker 3: like I think at the time, you know, like NFTs
Speaker 3: were kind of thing and people are talking about like
Speaker 3: digital collectibles that hasn't aged well, but like it was
Speaker 3: interesting to hear at the time, you know, at least
Speaker 3: like you know what they were talking about. So it
Speaker 3: was you know, it was interesting. It was an interesting
Speaker 3: way to actually like hobby hotline and like have ideas
Speaker 3: and have conversations and you know, you can go look
Speaker 3: at cards and you can have that side bit, but
Speaker 3: to also have the side where like you could explore
Speaker 3: ideas talk to people. That was fun. That was a
Speaker 3: cool element to it. So I didn't I missed it.
Speaker 3: I liked them a lot, you know.
Speaker 2: And and since it involves two of my favorite hobby people,
Speaker 2: well I want to talk about something fun being done
Speaker 2: at the National on sun I don't know if you
Speaker 2: caught this in Sporters Daily where I but our own
Speaker 2: doctor Jim Beckett is one of the It's almost like
Speaker 2: a the thing mark you yes, the Shark, where they're
Speaker 2: going to have on Sunday, three people chosen from various
Speaker 2: presenting like their ideas, what they can and obviously very
Speaker 2: tech savvy on what they can the hobby. We moderated
Speaker 2: Jeremy Lee, and there's good people on the panel and
Speaker 2: they're gonna and there's just it's just a way for
Speaker 2: the Nash to have something to be different, which I
Speaker 2: think is kind of and you know, and I think
Speaker 2: that's nice to have that, And I think that's that's
Speaker 2: a great concept where maybe even a little shark element
Speaker 2: into card show is a really nice idea. And I
Speaker 2: think it's very cool. And John, there's another plug, so
Speaker 2: you can add that to the plug.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at product.
Speaker 1: Chris Harris get a media pass and I don't need
Speaker 1: one because I'm a veteran vets Let's see happens at
Speaker 1: every trade show, every rock concert, every keating bachelor party.
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing there have been what what's the over
Speaker 1: under a number of heating bachelor parties there have ever been.
Speaker 1: I'm setting that at four and a half. National does
Speaker 1: not have to go to Anaheim or even California. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think we should. Chris Harris poo poo foods in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm poo pooing the food in and
Speaker 1: around the convention all right. The food at the Convention
Speaker 1: Center sucks and is overpriced, Okay, and I don't eat there.
Speaker 1: What I do for lunch is that I get in
Speaker 1: my car and I drive. There's like a nice shrip
Speaker 1: mall across the street from the All State Arena. It
Speaker 1: has a pot Belly sandwich shop is a chain, but
Speaker 1: it's indigenous Chicago. There's a decent pizza place next to it,
Speaker 1: and then around the bend next to my hotel there's
Speaker 1: a Buono Beef which sells authentic Chicago Italian beef sandwich. See.
Speaker 1: I've been to so many nationals in Chicago. I already
Speaker 1: all know all my favorite lunch. So let's see what else.
Speaker 1: No crop, yeah, no, no crop dust. Detroit is rebounded
Speaker 1: unlike any other city I've seen, but the Auto show
Speaker 1: is dead. Well, if the Auto Show is dead, bring
Speaker 1: the national in. I guess folks who complain about getting
Speaker 1: the ac from Philly are the same who pay for
Speaker 1: people to open packs for them. People stay at motels, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little cheaper more money for cards.
Speaker 2: Just saying hotel, motel, holiday inn.
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much Industry Summit was in Vegas.
Speaker 1: It kind of petered out due to lack of interest.
Speaker 1: Yeahs too with the three Summit.
Speaker 2: I really wish some would have an industry Summit again.
Speaker 2: But everybody you know, upper deck does their own and
Speaker 2: Tops does their own thing. You know, it'd be nice
Speaker 2: to have, like the concept of three Summit.
Speaker 1: Kids, the Kid the Hawaii Show. When was the last
Speaker 1: I guess Isaacson still owns the ip to that. And
Speaker 1: it's been a while for New Balance and Sketchers should
Speaker 1: co sponsor the National too much? Poke your mom all
Speaker 1: trying to catch them in. Yes, uh, let's see Chris
Speaker 1: Harris needs to enter the shark tank thing at the National.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to sell. I mean I could
Speaker 1: sell base sell them baseball card pedia, but we don't
Speaker 1: need venture capital ruining another good thing you'll have to
Speaker 1: wait to get in. Yeah, that's the one thing that
Speaker 1: you know. Beggars can't beat shoes, right, And I did
Speaker 1: bring this up to National management. Why don't you give
Speaker 1: veterans just a free five a pass? And I don't know.
Speaker 1: Pot Belly pig and pizza. Mister beef is great for
Speaker 1: a heart attack. The guy pooh poohing Chicago is eating
Speaker 1: at Potbelly. It's good.
Speaker 2: Hey. When I used to go to Chicago and I
Speaker 2: stayed ahead off the Marriot and I used to stay
Speaker 2: within walking in the show, and there was across the Street,
Speaker 2: and I'd go for breakfast at the Nation was perfectly fine.
Speaker 2: I'd have my oatmeal and I'd have my yogurt carfe
Speaker 2: and sadly their yo barfetes off the menu, and then
Speaker 2: it was perfect, so I'd have Muffy and McDonald's coffees.
Speaker 1: Actually, all right, we managed to kill off more than
Speaker 1: an hour. I had a good job. Can't believe we did. Notice,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pat myself on the back for that. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys have anything any last words, Lauren.
Speaker 3: Happy juneteenth weekend. Everyone had a Father's Day tomorrow, enjoy
Speaker 3: the World Cup and and be saved. Have fun out
Speaker 3: there this weekend.
Speaker 1: That's happy juneteen. About time get again, opining.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward. My wife just expecting a lot. She's
Speaker 2: really got in the World Cup. So I'm forward to
Speaker 2: go to Wax the nice place to be. You have
Speaker 2: lunch beforehand, which is which is a double bonus, and
Speaker 2: I'll probably Hobby. I last, as I pointed out last
Speaker 2: the Dallas card TCG show popa Friday, and I'll give
Speaker 2: the plug. The joke was, and I got there and
Speaker 2: some oh Jericha's inside because you know, normally she can
Speaker 2: get a bad pass or some way to get into
Speaker 2: the nows and uh, and I said, no, this was
Speaker 2: free parking and five dollars to get and I'll just pay.
Speaker 2: And the nice, pretty young lady who does not look
Speaker 2: like she has a sixteen year old son, and she does,
Speaker 2: and she she laughs, she says, okay, just wait till
Speaker 2: the three forty five. She put my moneys and I
Speaker 2: actually found baseball cards there and I spent my butt.
Speaker 2: When I spent what I but to bring with me
Speaker 2: with me, I was, okay, I'm not going to find
Speaker 2: anything of the TCG show, want to go out to them? No,
Speaker 2: I actually spent my all right and happy fathers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Next we got Newman who I believe is in
Speaker 1: my neck of the woods Orlando, and Brody the Kid
Speaker 1: will be here. Maybe something happened week. So anyway, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us, keep on rocking in the free world,
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe I might be here next week later.
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