WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:18.519 Just just talk, okay, go Project fire Escape Go. 2 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:23.280 Hello podcast. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the What Do 3 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:25.359 It Again? Hello everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. 4 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:28.000 It is episode eighty eight. I'm Mike Maharty. Here's Always 5 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:31.359 with Mary Kesh and Dan Riker. 6 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:41.039 I've been playing Yellow Taxi Goes Room. 7 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.240 Yellow Taxi Goes Room. 8 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:44.079 Ye, I know what a ding dong. 9 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.560 I love that. Uh, you probably didn't have to look 10 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.280 very hard for a clip that made him sound stupid. 11 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:51.759 I did not. 12 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.399 That one seemed Uh, that one seemed like a good 13 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:54.920 one though. 14 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:55.759 That's Jake. 15 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:58.119 Jake Decker editor. 16 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:04.040 Yeah, I'm here in the flesh. 17 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.319 Yeah, well, how many how many clips do you have? 18 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:08.959 How many clips too of Dan do I have? 19 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:09.200 Well? 20 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.000 I actually thought of this like four minutes before the episode, 21 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:13.879 and then Mike was like, oh, I'm gonna be five 22 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.879 minutes late, so I had time to get to one 23 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.599 of the ones of fart Noise and the other was Dan. 24 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.359 All right, we'll use these, but. 25 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.239 Next time, next time I'm on I'll have a whole library. 26 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.879 Yeah. Dan's over at covering games Com for Giant Bomb 27 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.239 and Cologne, Germany. I think Lucy and Tam are there 28 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:34.200 GameSpot people. 29 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.719 Uh, it's a fun saw Minati in a in a 30 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.280 picture in Germany, so I think he's there too. 31 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:43.400 Yeah, it was. It was a I did it once. 32 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:45.799 It was a fun show. We talked. I know it's 33 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:50.719 Dan's first time. Is it sunset in Portland? Are you melting? 34 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:56.239 I almost died? 35 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:58.439 Have you done? 36 00:01:58.719 --> 00:01:59.840 Either of you done a games. 37 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:03.280 Comm I have not. I've wanted to for a while, 38 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.359 but the stars have never aligned. I suppose same. 39 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.919 It's the one that eludes me. I have been to 40 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.919 so many game conferences, including Tokyo Game Show, which I 41 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.319 think is very difficult to get in, not. 42 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:15.759 Just like. 43 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:21.199 Logistically because it's very far away, but also you have 44 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:25.520 to make sure you get your badge months in advance, 45 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:28.800 and it's not just open to anyone, so you have 46 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.599 to be like approved and stuff like that. So it 47 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:33.719 I mean a lot of times you can't go just 48 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.280 because you didn't go through all the hoops that they have. 49 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:40.520 But I've never done games Com, which seems like basically 50 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.039 a packs with pretzels. 51 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.280 No games Com is smells. 52 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:47.800 Games Com is like E three for all of Europe 53 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:52.199 and pretzels A lot of people. Yeah, pretzels Curry brought 54 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.960 a lot of kolsh a lot of salted meats. 55 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.199 Don't you buy like thirty sandwiches for yourself? 56 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:05.840 Oh? I was with Dave Jewett to more Lucy back 57 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.879 when I was at Game Spot and we were staying 58 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:14.879 next to this what was it? I don't even fully 59 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.159 remember where, Like what kind of restaurant was? I think 60 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.400 it was like a halal and I ordered. They didn't 61 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.400 speak great English, I didn't speak German. And I tried 62 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.240 to order the number thirteen and I thought he was 63 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:28.800 asking me to repeat it, but he must have been 64 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.000 asking me how many number thirteens I wanted, So I 65 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.319 said thirteen again, so he rang me up for thirteen 66 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.759 number thirteen's And then when I pointed out the error, he, 67 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.240 like the whole staff in Udison like threw up their hands, 68 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.120 like like an Italian family in Brooklyn, freaking out on me. 69 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.520 They did not like me in Cologne, those people. 70 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.159 And that's why you've never been back. 71 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.759 Yep, I'm not allowed to removed. 72 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.840 From Germany and not allowed to ever return based on 73 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.919 ordering thirteen of the same sandwich on accident the war 74 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.840 first uber delivery driver ever. 75 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:05.960 Yeah, they've done Germany has done some pretty bad stuff too. 76 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:10.120 I'm surprised that was the thing that got you kicked out. 77 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:11.960 Yeah, that's where they draw the line. 78 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.520 They were projecting. Colonne's cool though. I like it. It 79 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.279 was super fun. I'm curious. I'm curious to catch up 80 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.519 with Dan to see what he thinks of it. Dan's 81 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.399 been a decent number of places, Jake, you and Dan 82 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.879 have you been on the show since you and Dan 83 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:27.439 went to? Was a Ghent? 84 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.399 Yeah? I think last time I was on was because 85 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:31.959 Dan was out for something else and I think it 86 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.160 was you me and Vinnie and I. 87 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:34.680 Oh yeah, talked about. 88 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:35.519 I was gone. 89 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:36.560 Yeah. 90 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.680 I think I was in Europe too for probably Twitch 91 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.639 Con Europe, That's my guess. 92 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.439 Yeah, what's what's shooting video with Dan? 93 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:44.759 Like? 94 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:47.639 Uh? It was? 95 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.959 It was fun because he Dan just talks to anyone 96 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:51.920 he's got. There's not a lot of shame, so he 97 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.920 can just go up to anyone, ask dumb questions, smart questions, 98 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.560 all kinds of questions. So for me, recording was great 99 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.000 because a lot of content you get out of it. 100 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.040 I could not do what he does though. I couldn't 101 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.720 just walk up to people and ask him what's this. 102 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:09.759 What's that He's just. 103 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:14.639 Not burdened by the anchors of dignity and self respect 104 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.600 that so many of us are plagued with. 105 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:18.480 I mean, I wasn't gonna put it that way, but 106 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.680 Dave Letterman said that Man on the Street recording is 107 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.959 like the lowest form of art. Just let Dan know 108 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:26.720 that when he's back. 109 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.360 I know, Dan, I think it takes a quick wit. 110 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.120 I actually have a respect for it. I like watching 111 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.759 tiktoks of street Man on the Street videos as long 112 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.240 as they're not disrespectful. But you can be very witty 113 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.839 with someone on the fly when you ask them questions 114 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:45.240 and they don't know how to respond, or they've been 115 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.199 drinking a little too much, and then the host has 116 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:50.240 a witty retort. 117 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:50.720 Like. 118 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.639 I like that kind of stuff. I just don't like 119 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:57.879 it when it's lazy, And it's often very lazy because 120 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.079 you just ask people like a really spicy question and 121 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.360 hope that they have like some kind of hawk towey answer. 122 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.399 But the real meat of that type of stuff is 123 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:07.759 the host being good at what they do. 124 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:14.199 Has the hawk Towey girl endorsed commily, yet I've been 125 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.079 waiting if she did. I missed it. Uh Mary, she's. 126 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.319 At the DNC convention right now. 127 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:24.839 She's she's submitting the delegates for where she's from, Tennessee 128 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.480 or wherever. Anyway, Jake and I were talking when you 129 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.439 left the room earlier about Alien Romulus. I saw you 130 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.639 saw it? Did you like it? 131 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.240 I didn't just like it. I loved it. I think 132 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.879 it's probably the best sci fi horror movie I have 133 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.639 seen in years. I am screaming this film's praises. I 134 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.959 was freaking out in the theater. I hope I didn't 135 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.079 disturb other people next to me, but I was like 136 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.800 the person in the theater that was like, Oh, get 137 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.480 the fuck out of here. That's so cool, Like I 138 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:58.480 couldn't believe the shit they got away with. 139 00:06:58.600 --> 00:06:59.519 It's people. 140 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.240 I think it's brilliant. I think it's a brilliant film. 141 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:05.920 It is what the series needed. I think it is 142 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.000 the best in the series after Alien. Yes, I think 143 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.040 it's better than Aliens. 144 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.360 Really, yes, does any much a better movie or like 145 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:17.000 a better horror because Aliens is more like action explode. 146 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:18.360 You know, it's it's not really horror. 147 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.759 I know. I think it's I think it's better at both. 148 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.800 I think it's better storytelling. I understand that Aliens has 149 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.240 its own place, and people will probably get really pissed 150 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.920 at me for like coming at the series like this, 151 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:33.199 But I think Aliens, a lot of people would agree, 152 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.480 still has like a hokeiness to it, where they're just like, 153 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.279 we're foregoing reality and we're just allowing us to have 154 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.600 fun in this space. I think Romulus does that a 155 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.240 little bit too, but I think it does it better 156 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.879 because it has a fresh faced cast of young adults, 157 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.319 say young adults because they're not kids, but they're not experts. 158 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.439 Every alien film is always about experts in the field. 159 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:58.439 You have your uh, I don't know, the person who 160 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:04.120 is an expert in the field for botany, right, or 161 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.560 you have the guy who's like, I'm an army guy 162 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:08.560 and that's all I know. And then they come together 163 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.240 and they fight, they piss and moan because they're all 164 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.240 the best at what they do. Romulus is actually about 165 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.759 a bunch of young kids that are in an outrageously 166 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:20.519 unfortunate predicament that has forced them into a bummer of 167 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.920 a situation where they now have to figure it out 168 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:27.360 for their lives and they are not sure how they 169 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:31.759 do things like read maps, or work guns, and I 170 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.960 think that's a fascinating concept, and I think it's more 171 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.960 interesting for me to say, what would you do if 172 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.240 you were young and just desperate and found yourself in 173 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.480 a life or death situation, as opposed to you got 174 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.320 a scientist and you got a top Nutch army vet. 175 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.440 And they both don't like each other because they're very different, 176 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:54.879 but they're also really good at what they do. And 177 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.759 it's like, I don't give a shit that some guys 178 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:59.600 like really good at reading maps. I want to know 179 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.639 what desperate people do in these situations, and they did 180 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:08.840 it with genuine heart. I cared about these characters. I 181 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:12.240 cared about who they are, and I've never wanted a 182 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.639 character to live more in an alien film in my 183 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:20.039 entire existence. Outside of the Cat obviously, I wanted them 184 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.159 to live. I felt sorrow when some of them met 185 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:29.080 their end. I cheered multiple times when shit went down. 186 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.759 I will not spoil anything in this film, but there 187 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:36.080 are multiple cheering moments where you will eke, you will 188 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.480 say Jesus Christ, you will say yay, and you will say, oh, 189 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.879 that's a bummer, and it just really invokes emotion out 190 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.919 of these kids. I think it's just really well done. 191 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.679 It's also expertly directed the first ten minutes. If it 192 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:56.679 doesn't grip you in ten minutes, you suck. That's how 193 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.159 I feel. It's really good. The visual dynamic of Old 194 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.679 Ships with CRTs. All the screens are CRTs, and all 195 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.679 the buttons are square with pointy corners, and they're chunky, 196 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.200 and all the doors are chunky, and the door systems 197 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.960 also have that like weighty feel to them. One of 198 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.240 the doors, the way it opens, it's not a handle, 199 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.360 it's like a lever that you have to push up 200 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.080 multiple times like shunk, Shunk shunk. 201 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.240 It is like airlock involved with it. 202 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:28.919 I don't know. 203 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:29.919 I don't know. 204 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.519 They didn't explain it, but I was like, that's sick door, 205 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.480 you know, And like that happens a lot in this film. 206 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.240 Is that like an Chekhov's gun situation where you see 207 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.519 someone open the door normally like that, and then at 208 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.399 some point later they're being chased by the alien and 209 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.039 they have to do that, and it's tense. It just 210 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:49.200 seems like something they would do. 211 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.519 There's really good foreshadowing. I have to be very careful 212 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.679 because one of the best foreshadowing is a character who 213 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.879 reveals character stuff and you're like, that's gonna come up, 214 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.960 and it absolutely the fuck does. There's also items in 215 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.799 the film. This is very indicative exactly what you're saying, Mike, 216 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:11.480 Very indicative of horror films where they'll be like, Wow, 217 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.080 what a cool device. You see it does this, and 218 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.080 then you're like, well, that's that's gonna be important later, 219 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:19.399 and it is. 220 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.080 They have mostly The bond gets the gadget early on 221 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.279 from Q and he's like, you probably won't need it, 222 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.480 but the sink is actually poisonous and we'll blind someone 223 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:28.120 if you press it. 224 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:34.039 Just like this, there's multiple There's only one instance where 225 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:35.440 I feel like they brought something up and that just 226 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.399 never came back again, which is a bit odd when 227 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.519 any film does that. But maybe it's a red herring. 228 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.080 I don't I don't know. I'm not an expert filmmaker. 229 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.000 The lighting is fucking incredible, you know in old sci 230 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.320 fi ships where they got the spinning lights the Wii 231 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.960 WU situation to just increase the tension. I think they 232 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.240 do it incredibly well. It is not glaring, but it 233 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.399 is frightening and the I'm gonna unfortunately I don't have 234 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:04.600 my alien lingo. 235 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:08.559 But the Crawley face hugger face. 236 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:10.960 Face huggers, Okay, is that their actual name or is 237 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:11.919 that just we call them? 238 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.720 I think that's their like colloquial name. I'm not. I 239 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.240 think it's just like xenamore fetus, but I think I 240 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:19.720 look it up. 241 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.200 Don't they refer to them as face huggers. 242 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.759 Call them? I'm not sure if like the scientists. 243 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.240 The face huggers do exactly what you expect them to do. 244 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.360 There's multiple of them. This is in the trailers, so 245 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:38.039 I don't consider this a spoiler. There's like dozens, and 246 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:43.000 that's really exciting because you're you're dealing with an absurd 247 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:47.080 amount of something where even one is extremely terrifying, and 248 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:48.399 so to have that many. 249 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:53.240 They're really really I mean, they're one of the scariest 250 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:57.320 like things monsters created in a movie. They they the 251 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:02.120 face hugger is infinitely more terrifying than the xeno morphy. 252 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:06.000 I feel I would rather, I would actually rather fight 253 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.559 a zeno morph and get torn apart than in a 254 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:12.240 face on the. 255 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.279 Instant you don't want to get impregnated, which is like 256 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.720 one of the original things that it was kind of 257 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:18.440 the inspiration. 258 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.039 Oh yeah, the whole the whole movie is like playing 259 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:22.279 on the fear of rape. 260 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.759 Basically yes, of men, right, like of well, because anyone 261 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.360 can have it now, right, Like we're all we're all 262 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.919 up for grabs. We're at the bottom of the like 263 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.559 this food chain. I wear an eyemask on my mouth 264 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.120 to be safe. I don't want spiders getting in there. 265 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.080 I just suck on a pinky all night. 266 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:42.200 I mean I'll stop them. 267 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:46.679 No, I just I do that because my wife likes it. 268 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.919 But face huggers are horrifying, and they are I want 269 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:52.279 to see Romulus very badly. 270 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:52.639 Uh. 271 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.720 I'm one of those weirdos who actually liked Covenant. I 272 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.240 know I'm in the minority, but uh, I enjoyed it. 273 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:00.879 I don't think it was the best thing to ever happen. 274 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:06.159 I definitely the first movie is my favorite by far. 275 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:12.080 Yeah, Covenant was okay, and I did not like Prometheus. 276 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:15.360 I was my problem. The problem with Prometheus was it 277 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:20.360 was like, We're gonna try and explain how life itself 278 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:25.320 is created, and it's just like, but that's not what 279 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.159 we're here for. We are here for the deaths of 280 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:34.240 people and to watch them not suffer. But we're gonna 281 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.279 figure out who can actually survive in this life or 282 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.480 death scenario with a supreme being. That's why we're here. 283 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:46.679 I think that Romulus knows its audience. It's saying, you're 284 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.519 here to watch some people live and some people die, 285 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.519 or some all people die. Who's to say. But the 286 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.000 point is is like, you're gonna watch them in these 287 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.679 life or death situations against an ultimate, very smart being, 288 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.000 and it's really cool to watch the evolution of the creature. 289 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.759 We already know some of the things, so they do 290 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:14.840 nice little advances on what your expectations are of the alien. 291 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.120 And again I'll be very careful to avoid spoilers, but 292 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.360 they did enough where you know the sequel Aliens, they 293 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.799 were like, what if there were multiple Aliens, and like, 294 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.519 that's what's scary about it. This movie goes a little further. 295 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.559 It found another way for us to be scared, and 296 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.519 I think that's quite ingenious. I think it was a 297 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.879 really nice twist. It's not hokey. I think it's a 298 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.000 great evolution of the series. And it's not just because 299 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:41.360 there's more of the thing. 300 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:47.879 Once it Like god, Ridley Scott's like directorial career is 301 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:52.399 so fucking fascinating. Yeah, you can look at how many 302 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:53.840 movies is directed. 303 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:03.720 A lot, a lot, a lot, twenty four, five, six, 304 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.000 twenty seven, twenty eight, with Gladiator two coming up, that'll 305 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:08.639 be twenty nine. 306 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.720 And I would say fifty percent of them are not 307 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.799 bad movie or no, fifty percent of them are bad movies, 308 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.879 like bad. But then he's also made Blade Runner, He's 309 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:29.759 made Alien, he did Blackhawk Down Delma and Luise the Martian. 310 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.519 I guess could say, I couldn't. I don't. The last 311 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.399 time I watched a movie by him that I liked 312 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.639 was Alien Covenant. I could not stand House of Gucci. Granted, 313 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.320 and I haven't seen Napoleon yet. 314 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.440 I mean I heard Napoleon's pretty tough to get through. 315 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.559 I heard that. Even the trailer I think was like 316 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.440 very odd. I didn't see it either, because the trailer 317 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.000 was like one of the most famous, like ice scenes, 318 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.360 but it was just taken completely out of context. It 319 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.879 felt like it was not accurate or even pretending to 320 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.920 be accurate. I understand that history movies are often playing 321 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.079 with reality, but at some point I was just like, 322 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.640 you guys are just not even trying. 323 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.519 It's about my favorite thing to come out of that movie, though. 324 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.039 I think during an interview someone asked Ridley Scott, like, 325 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.000 I hear the French people don't like this movie too much. 326 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.000 What's your response, and he's like, well, the French people don't. 327 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:24.599 Even like themselves, and then that was it. 328 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.400 He I actually rewatched Gladiator recently and for like all 329 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.440 of the hype that movie has gotten over the years, 330 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.160 and as much as it's been like meme to death, 331 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.559 it's still pretty good. Yeah, and it's funny. I always 332 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.480 think he's Master and Commander before I have to remind 333 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:48.839 myself that was what Daniel no Offsky, What the hell 334 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.720 is his name? Black Swan Darren Aronofsky, Yeah, he was 335 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:54.559 Master and Commander. 336 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.920 Darren Aronofsky did Master and Commander? 337 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.359 No he didn't. Noah, who didn't Master and Commander? They're 338 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:00.640 both ships during storms? 339 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.000 Yeah, there you go. I don't know who did Matt 340 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.000 Oh wait, I feel like I should know who did that? 341 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.880 Mastering Commander was I'm not even trying. 342 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.200 Mmm, yeah, I'm not googling. Mike's clearly googling. 343 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.160 I'm not going to go directed by Peter Ware. 344 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:17.279 Okay, Yeah, I wouldn't have known he. 345 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.799 Did Gallipoly, Oh he did Gallipoli, okay? And Dead Poets Society? 346 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.799 Was Ridley Scott connected to it? Why am I associating 347 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.799 Ridley Scott with Mastering Commander? 348 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:28.200 Did he do another boat movie? 349 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.839 Probably there you go, oh yeah he did a boat 350 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:33.440 the movie. 351 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.680 Yeah. 352 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:37.799 But I'm excited to see Romulus. It's funny. The last 353 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.759 time I think us three we're on a podcast talking 354 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.720 about a horror movie was Dead Air, the podcast we 355 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.079 did about horror at game Spot. Those episodes are probably 356 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.640 still somewhere. I don't think we put him on. We 357 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.759 weren't publishing on like Spotify or anything back then. I 358 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:58.480 think we had that like embedded uh like SoundCloud player 359 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.119 back that we in GameSpot stories. Maybe it isn't. 360 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.200 One of my fears is that a lot of my 361 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.799 favorite memories and some of my straight up like hey, 362 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:09.880 I put that in my reel. That is a part 363 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:13.440 of my history is in game Spot's YouTube channel. And 364 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:15.720 if game Spot ever, for whatever reason, was like I'm 365 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.680 nuking it, I would lose so much of my history. 366 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:20.680 I don't think they would, but it is something I 367 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:21.160 think about. 368 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:23.039 Means are gone right now? 369 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.200 That one land I was going to say like Game 370 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:28.119 Informer folks, I mean, anyone who's written there, right, Like 371 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.599 a bunch of your stuff is gone. 372 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.400 Now no proof? 373 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.799 Now, yeah, did they did they new Game Informers YouTube 374 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:34.240 channel though? 375 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:35.119 Or is that still there? 376 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:36.200 I don't know. 377 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:38.759 I think it might still be there, but I could 378 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.000 be wrong. I know they shut down everything. Yeah, I 379 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:42.799 think about that too, Like, I mean, I've had like 380 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.319 reviews in articles and features and all sorts of stuff 381 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.720 that was written for smaller websites that just don't exist 382 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.319 anymore because the guy who's paying for I'm not paying 383 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:53.839 for it anymore. 384 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:55.640 And then it just went up in flames. 385 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.079 It's like, all right, It's so crazy because like that's 386 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.279 just so important. The history of it is important, right, 387 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.559 and we're just not preserving that work. I think I 388 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.640 just have a fondness for that. It makes me want 389 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.880 to hoard digitally, at least anything I've ever touched, because 390 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.200 a lot of my old, old old videos are the 391 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:19.039 only place I can find them is on like a 392 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.039 Vimeo channel from like two thousand and eight. And I 393 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.200 think that that's sad that I had to like make 394 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.279 sure that I had my own shit, because now if 395 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.880 I didn't do it, that way, it would have been gone. 396 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:33.079 Yeah. 397 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.079 Yeah, it's scary polygon stuff, all my polygon stuff, so up. 398 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:37.759 It looks different lately, but it's still there. 399 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:44.759 My stardew Valley review was re reviewed, and now like 400 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.720 it's kind of like my original review is gone, which 401 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.759 I think is a bummer because I still find it game. 402 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.640 It's your review is not a games anymore. 403 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:56.799 There's a new review they like updated it. 404 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:02.000 Wait they replaced oh to keep the URL authority or 405 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:03.359 the SEO authority. 406 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.400 They just I feel like also Mary, when you reviewed it, 407 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:09.480 that was at launch and now like starting Valleys so 408 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.240 different than it was back then. It's so different, but 409 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:13.880 they've added so much more to it. 410 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.559 I mean, we did that, Polygon, but I don't we didn't. 411 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.680 We wrote a new review. Are you saying they replace 412 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:24.880 yours literally on on the like the same url. Are 413 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:26.759 you saying it's been superseded in general? 414 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.240 I still see it. Yeah, I still see your review, Mary. 415 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:31.200 And I nuked. 416 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.359 I think it's just it's not the review when you 417 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:36.000 look at the review anymore. Right Like now it's like 418 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.759 this is the updated review, which makes more sense because 419 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.000 mine's outdated. This isn't about a wrong that GameSpot did 420 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.759 to me. This is about me selfishly wanting my review 421 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.079 to be first and foremost. 422 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.000 It's all here. It's all here, your original review. 423 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.599 Goddamn right it is, and it should be mark. 424 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.000 Very kish right there. 425 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.480 I wrote it kind of, I mean I did, but 426 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:57.519 I think Peter like had to rewrite a lot of 427 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.119 it because I didn't. I don't know how to write. 428 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.279 I could barely. I could barely form codes. 429 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.599 You can barely speak. Yeah, I know. 430 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:10.200 It's not my uh, it's it's my weakest thing. I 431 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:14.000 think I'm really good in meetings. I think I'm able 432 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:16.559 to be creative. I think if you just give me 433 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:19.039 a pen and paper and say, write a three hundred 434 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.960 word essay about what I learned in boat school, I 435 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.799 panic and I can't do it. I freak out. 436 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.559 I feel like when someone tells you it's an essay too, 437 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.359 it's like, oh, what you know? 438 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.279 I never got grounded. When I was younger, my parents, 439 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:38.440 well my dad specifically would make assign me word counts 440 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.440 and make me write an essay about what I did wrong, 441 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.279 and the word count would be way too high to 442 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:51.359 just say, like I shouldn't have thrown mud at my neighbor. 443 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.920 I had to like write a thousand words about like 444 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:01.160 the existential thoughts that cross my mind, like consequence and punishment, morality. 445 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.839 Do these do these essays still exist somewhere? No on 446 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:06.759 a shirt? Who knows. 447 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.440 Yeah, we've seen how that happens. But yeah, it's like, 448 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:16.039 of course I had to start like doing these David 449 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.119 Foster Wallace digressions in order to fill space. I'm sure 450 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.440 my dad got a lot of entertainment out of it. 451 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:23.240 My dad also I might have talked about the on 452 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:26.480 fire skate before. My dad was pretty creative. Not only 453 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.519 did an apologies to all the five year olds listening, 454 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.960 but my parents when they were still pretending Santa was 455 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:38.599 real when I was younger. My dad also invented like 456 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.720 a whole bureaucracy for the North Pole, so I didn't 457 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.400 write letters directly to Santa. He had a an elf 458 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.319 who was like our family's delegate receive our letters and 459 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.039 respond in lieu ofs like in Santa's place. The ELF's 460 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:57.599 name was Flegal, and my dad was just wrote in 461 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.480 character as this elf until I was like, however many 462 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:02.000 years old I was and I found out. 463 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.680 Santa was fake, classic Flegal. 464 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.640 I haven't believed anything since then at all. 465 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:11.519 What do you think about the Earth? Is it round 466 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:12.000 or flat? 467 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.920 Oh dude, I don't. I can't believe either one. That's 468 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:16.559 how bereft of belief I am. 469 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.559 So then what is it? 470 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:23.880 It's I just don't believe earth. Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah, 471 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:29.079 it's crazy. I can't even believe. Like, Mary, what's your name? 472 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:32.240 I don't believe you. 473 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.519 It's not it's my god given name. 474 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.480 Fred Mahardy for that. 475 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.359 Before I was a sandwich artist at Subway, I actually 476 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.880 uh streamlined as a writer for Santa and responded to 477 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.480 children just so that the parents didn't have to in 478 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.640 what like for parents hired me to respond to a. 479 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:57.039 School or like a neighborhood. 480 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.079 Any any parents that didn't want. 481 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.799 You can give us a sample of like what you 482 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.359 would have said. 483 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.440 Wait so yeah, oh wait sorry really before you go 484 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.160 into specifics, I'm this is curious because that's kind of 485 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.839 like instead of mowing neighbors lawns, you responded to their 486 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.799 kids as Santa money. 487 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:17.799 I think she's making this up, like, because. 488 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.640 That's that's like a that'll make a sick movie. 489 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.839 It's not a bad way to make a book. 490 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:26.880 For like parents who are terrible at writing. 491 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:28.480 And just hate their children. 492 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.759 Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna dig into this deeper. 493 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:32.920 Uh huh, I'm ready. 494 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.799 Wait, let's improv one. Dear Santa, this is Caroline this 495 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:39.839 summer or winter Christmas. 496 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.720 Sorry, kids, an idiot. 497 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:48.440 I'm an idiot. I got straight f's in in school. 498 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:55.200 I punched Timmy Wiggins in the crotch. Uh I took. 499 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.440 I clogged the principals toilet on purpose with silly patty. 500 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:08.240 But I would also like a pony. Love Caroline, smooches Caroline. 501 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:16.720 Dearest Caroline, your behavior has caused us to purchase the 502 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.680 pony and starve it to death. Out in the fields. 503 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.000 Attached you will see a piece of fur from its hide. 504 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.920 May this remind you to not put putty in the toilets, 505 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.720 to be respectful of your parents, and to get at 506 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:40.279 least sees, which, as we know, is the standard for 507 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.000 all children to receive gifts. D as we know, is 508 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.839 no gift and f is we will kill your gift. 509 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.720 Tommy Higgins is my best bro. I'm sending him gold 510 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.640 nuggets each shit. 511 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.960 Flagan, Dear Flagan, surprised, I love my bloated, farty, rotting 512 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.960 carcass of a horse. I sleep with them every night. 513 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.799 My parents hate the smell, but I refuse to let 514 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.880 them get rid of it. And every time they come 515 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.759 near me, I say, I'm the fucking lizard queen. Call 516 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.680 me Caroline. This is my bloating, rotting, farty carcass of 517 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:28.359 a horse, and I've named him Gretchen. So take that, Flagan. 518 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.079 I'll find you and I'll kill you, and I love 519 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:33.599 you and goodbye. 520 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.400 This is just you and me in different forms. You 521 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:46.559 are Caroline, and we should really dial nine to one 522 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.480 and then find out where Caroline is and dial one 523 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.759 again because that's a psychotic child. 524 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.039 Yeah, I mean also bad parents who just leave a 525 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:58.440 dead horse in her bed. 526 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.079 Well, she had it coming. 527 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.720 Jake, what have you been up to lately? Last time, Yeah, 528 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.279 you were on the show with Vinnie and I. I 529 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.920 forget what was going on then and when that episode was. 530 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.400 But you haven't been on for a bit. Share news stuff, 531 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.960 any news, exciting stuff. 532 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.319 It can't be more stuff now it's going to be 533 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.640 boring because I've been stuck at home. My my partner 534 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.440 broke her ankle, so I haven't been able to leave 535 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:29.680 in apart from minor things running Aaron's, getting groceries, that 536 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.359 sort of thing. 537 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:35.680 Like, oh like taking care of Yeah, yeah. 538 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.519 I guess I did go to ten o'conn recently. 539 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:41.680 Yeah. 540 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.440 Last time I was at ten o'conn was with you, Mikey, 541 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:50.880 and we shot ocon Is war Frames, Convention, war fram 542 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:51.960 and soul Frames. Now. 543 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.839 Yeah, yeah I was there. We were shooting in the 544 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.039 little Ontario. 545 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.720 Yeah, we're shoot shooting some some some VIDs over there, 546 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.279 which none of which have gone up yet. It'll probably 547 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.640 be a while before they do, but uh, but yeah 548 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.720 it was. It was kind of interesting going back because 549 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.200 not much has changed with the war frame community, but 550 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.440 at the same time it felt very different and also 551 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.920 London was exactly as I remember it, even that little 552 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.359 pub across the street from the hotel we went to. Mike, Yeah, 553 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.839 still there. Uh super cheap. 554 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:32.519 Reminds me of it might as well be Syracuse. It 555 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.720 reminds me a lot of where I grew up. What 556 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.240 are you What were you shooting? Can you talk about 557 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.759 it like like more documentary style stuff. 558 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:45.960 Or uh, I don't know how much I can say yet, 559 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.519 but yeah, it was it was like documentary style stuff. 560 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.119 Is it gonna be better than the one I wrote. 561 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:59.880 It'll be it'll be very different. I uh, it'll probably 562 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:04.079 be better. Yeah, yeah, better, you know, I was. I 563 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.680 was thinking back to that trip. That trip was a 564 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:07.599 lot of fun and doing a lot of the shoots 565 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.400 we used to do, and that war frame one I 566 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.200 think was one of our one of our best that 567 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.839 we did. And that was a tough one because I 568 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.400 remember that was just me shooting it, so it was 569 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.839 like the two of us and I'm carrying around two 570 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.799 cameras so we can get like two camera set ups 571 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.920 and trying to do audio at the same time. But yeah, 572 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.200 I'm still happy with how that turned out. Yeah, we 573 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.160 also likely to prove people wrong too. 574 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:33.480 You know. 575 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.160 People didn't think it would do well, and it did 576 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.720 like half a million views from like by people, one 577 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.039 person that frequently said I wasn't gonna say anything. 578 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.599 I talk not too secretly about that person a lot, 579 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.359 as you've ever heard on the show. Yeah, because I remember, 580 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.319 like the idea was that we would go I think 581 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.640 we were basically trying to finish all the like a 582 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:01.160 roll interviews that they they were setting up, which we 583 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.039 realized was an inconvenience to them, But we had like 584 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.279 built up a good relationship with Digital Extremes and reb 585 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:12.319 and Megan and Steve, et cetera, and they were they 586 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.400 were gracious enough to allow us in while they were 587 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.640 setting up like onto the floor. So we're trying to 588 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.160 get all the interviews at like basically done the first day, 589 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.440 and then we knew we wanted to follow back up 590 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.279 with them. Then the last day. They always do the 591 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.440 same meet up in a park where like they all 592 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.079 get together and play magic and just hang out and decompress. 593 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.240 So I was like, all right, those are the book ends. 594 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:35.160 That's easy, of course, like as any video shoot will go. 595 00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.279 That didn't go according to plants, and we had to adapt. 596 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.880 And then I remember we were trying to what was 597 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.640 it we had that that was like the days when 598 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.720 you know, when we kind of we had like a 599 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.440 not a dictum or anything or like a directive, but 600 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.720 like we had bought a few a drone or two 601 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.400 for game spots, so we're like, well, let's use them 602 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.559 if we can. So I remember we were getting that 603 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.000 drone shot inside the arena when they were starting. Yeah, 604 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.440 and like I don't know that we were actually allowed well, 605 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.200 I mean Digital Extremes told us we could. We were 606 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.440 fine to do it, but I don't know that like 607 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.160 the convention center knew about it. 608 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:09.880 I don't. 609 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.640 I'm sure this is fine to talk about, but this 610 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.759 was like five years ago. But stuff like that, and 611 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.440 then finding places to interview them while they were just 612 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.960 construction workers putting things together around us, like we were 613 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.119 in rev and I were in beanbags at one point, 614 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.279 which lent to a really like grassroots feel, which I loved. 615 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.440 But while we were shooting it, I was like, this 616 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.880 could just be an absolute nightmare to edit, because by 617 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.759 that point I was definitely helping you edit more, but 618 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.359 you were still doing the bulk of editing. 619 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.799 Well I think we had we had Max help edit 620 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.960 as well. Yeah, I think at the time. So yeah, 621 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.200 it was, uh, it's quite the project. But yeah, like 622 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.920 I said, I'm surely happy how that turned out, even 623 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:48.200 if someone who like doesn't give a shit about Warframe 624 00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.799 and has tried getting into Warframe when back when you 625 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.440 were trying to get me into it before that trip 626 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.440 and I just just did not click with me at all. 627 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.000 But I still think like the story was there, it 628 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.839 was interesting, and I think Digital Extremes was very honest 629 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.359 and open, which always makes for good material, doesn't matter 630 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.519 like whether it's for a documentary about games, movies, just 631 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:12.359 any just honesty is always like what plays best for 632 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.200 that And they're very open, and you know, like. 633 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.279 We've all talked to tons. 634 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.440 Of developers in like big studios, right, and a lot 635 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.079 of them pr trained, and you just don't I don't know, 636 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:26.960 it just always falls kind of flat, Like it just 637 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.839 feels feels like they're reading a script and it's never fun. 638 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.160 I mean, like the main thrust of that documentary ended 639 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.759 up being like how they how does something that successful, 640 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.000 that's that dependent on this kind of community not end 641 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.079 up resenting the community, Like I'm sure any creator in 642 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.559 today's like on Patreon or YouTube can kind of attest. 643 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.200 So like it was the fact that Steve it was 644 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.640 Steve Sinclair who was the creative director of Warfare at 645 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.039 the time and now is a creative director of the 646 00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.240 upcoming Soul Frame. Before he passed the torch to rep 647 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.720 forward to be director of Warframe, he was like, Oh, yeah, 648 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.880 it's tough sometimes, like because like you give them new 649 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:06.799 content and of course they just want more and they 650 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.360 want it to be better. It's a hungry monster to feed. 651 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.840 And it's like the original name of the documentary was 652 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.519 feeding the Monster, which I think was a very compelling name, 653 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.480 and the actual documentary in the video was still called 654 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:24.760 that on our title screen, but of course certain someone 655 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.440 wanted us to change the name on YouTube, and like 656 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.079 to their credit, I guess the video did do well, 657 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.360 and the title I will admit on YouTube now is 658 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.719 more like broad enough to draw more people in, like 659 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.679 people like you who might not Jake. You were saying, like, 660 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.000 might not really play the game, but the artistic sensibilities 661 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.400 and me wanted it to be the other title. I 662 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.519 was probably wrong in this case, but yeah, I like 663 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.679 that video a lot. Still. I still like the past 664 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.079 couple jobs I've gotten. I put that like in my reel, 665 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.800 even if it wasn't for a video position, it was good. 666 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.039 I have, like I can't go back to Warframe because 667 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.199 I know I'll play too much of it. I've missed 668 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.280 the last like eight new frames. 669 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:09.800 The new nineteen ninety nine does seem kind of cool, 670 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.480 but yeah, it's like, here's how you gotta do it. 671 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.440 You got to complete this and this, and then you 672 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.199 got to get to this point and then do this 673 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.480 and then it's like and then they're like, it's like 674 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.119 three hours of content and I was like, oh man, I'm. 675 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:21.599 Not doing that. 676 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:22.119 Yeah. 677 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.519 Yeah, I mean anytime you want to get like do 678 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.440 like the New War kind of storyline, it's oh yeah, 679 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.880 like once you've done like forty hours and you've gotten 680 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.440 you know, you've unlocked the whole star map and you've 681 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.760 gotten this feature, and then you can you can cross 682 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.719 correlate these abilities and whatnot. I was all in on it. 683 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.800 But yeah, I mean, destiny players, any MMO players can 684 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:48.639 probably sympathize empathize rather. But anyway, Glad ten o'conn was 685 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.679 fun will be. 686 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.760 You started talking about playing video games? 687 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:55.199 Yeah? I know, yeah, do you want Do you want 688 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.559 to talk about new games we played? 689 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:05.639 Yeah? No, okay, turn your light on. See you? You 690 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.360 look like, uh are you Jon? Who's that guy you like? 691 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.119 The Watergate guy who's like hiding behind it? 692 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.199 No guy, you always bring him up. 693 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.440 No I don't. I'm tenguing him out. Jesus, I'm talking 694 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.400 about the guy who filled the beans on Watergate. 695 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:31.519 I just said that. 696 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:37.000 I didn't hear that. Yeah, I said, I thought you 697 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.559 were just talking about you. 698 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.320 That is my nickname though, Okay, now let's talk about 699 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:45.079 video games. 700 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:51.239 No break, No, I gotta get beer, getting beer, I. 701 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:57.360 Said, no break. On Sunday, I was like, that's so weird. 702 00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.639 My hip hurts, and I was like, I must have 703 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.000 slept in the bed weird, And so I slept on 704 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.519 my other side. And I haven't been able to go 705 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.039 running for two days because my hip keeps kind of 706 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.079 not popping out, but it's obviously not doing well. And 707 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.199 I was like, what the fuck is causing my hip 708 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:16.840 to be so weird? And I thought maybe it's the 709 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.000 way I sit in my chair, because I do. I 710 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.599 do sit like a shrimp, so like it could be posture. 711 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.239 You know, No, I don't. Why do you sit like that? 712 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.360 How do you think shrimp's it? You know what I mean? 713 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.119 And it's just like if you gave them a little 714 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.119 tiny business chair, if you gave them a tiny chair, 715 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.679 how do you think a shrimp would sit in it. 716 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.239 That's how I sit. And I very often I like 717 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.719 raise my like I usually like kind of like hug 718 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.840 my knees when I'm sitting. Anyway, the point is my 719 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.599 postures ass and I thought that it was related to that. 720 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.199 And then last night, as I was getting ready for bed, 721 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.639 I was putting on my j's and in the mirror 722 00:37:53.719 --> 00:38:00.400 I saw the biggest, blackest welt on my ass where 723 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.840 my hip is and I was like, what the fuck? 724 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:09.320 Where did that come from? And I obviously got I 725 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.159 fell or someone punched me, and I have no memory 726 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.679 of it. I have a huge welt in my on 727 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:16.800 my butt. 728 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:18.719 Did Mike do it? 729 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:27.000 I don't know memory of this normal. 730 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:28.960 I have definitely had bruises before and been like, I 731 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.760 don't know where that's from, but this is massive. It's huge, 732 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.079 it's on my hip. It's like altered my hips, like 733 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.320 they don't feel good. It's been a it's been a 734 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:36.840 whole thing. 735 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.599 Sorry to hear that. Yeah, I'm just thank you. I 736 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.599 just had a sore throat on Tomorrow's my last day 737 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:44.480 of antibiotics. 738 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.000 That's nothing. I also, I know we're gonna talk about games, 739 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.159 but I also tell you guys had this one. I 740 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.280 went out boating with uh with Josh because he's got 741 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.079 a little boat. Now. It's like a little tiny sailboat 742 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.199 that fits like two people and it's meant for speed 743 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.159 and it's really cool. And he was like, you gotta 744 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.599 bring your selfie stick, and I was like, no, I 745 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.000 have anxiety about bringing my phone on a boat that 746 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.719 literally can fall over at any moment. This is not 747 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.679 a substantial boat. It can fall over very easily. And 748 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.239 I was anxiety a sailboat. 749 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.400 Those don't really fall over. 750 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.079 It's called the quest if anyone wants to look it up. 751 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.920 And it like it's small to the point where like 752 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.800 and light you can tow it and it all comes 753 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.239 apart fairly easily. We take it apart and put it 754 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.519 back together in about thirty minutes that we can sail, 755 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.360 and then we take it apart and then like he 756 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:37.239 drives home with it. 757 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.320 Ques, Oh, it's like a sailing style boat. 758 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.000 Oh wow, Yeah, it's substantial, but it's small anyway. 759 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.920 Oh cool, my selfie stick. 760 00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.719 He gives me like a little wet sack so that 761 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.000 I can keep my phone dry. I'm putting my selfie 762 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.719 stick on it. I'm getting the best footy you've ever seen, Jake. 763 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.519 This is a video for the age. I'm getting really 764 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.960 good footage of the boat, of the sails, of me 765 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.159 being cool, and you know, like that caught that old 766 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.159 trope on sailboat where it's like watch out for the boom. Well, 767 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.599 he had to make a quick turn and the boom 768 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.880 knocked my phone into the water and I lost my iPhone. 769 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:25.679 It sank like a stone. You guys, Yes. 770 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.719 I thought you want it. I didn't know. I got 771 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.840 knocked out of your hand by the boom on a 772 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.360 training sail boat. 773 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.000 And the worst part is is like it's in the 774 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:39.840 wet sack on at the bottom of the Willamette. So 775 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.119 it is a functioning phone in a perfectly preserved. 776 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.519 Baggy scuba equipment. 777 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:49.880 It's gone. 778 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:51.480 How deep is gone? 779 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.440 I watched Poseidon to steal it from me? 780 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.280 How deep is the Willamette River forty feet near its 781 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.079 mouth north of downtown for I could die forty feet 782 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.039 and by sleep, I you want your phone back? 783 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.360 So sad, Yeah, go get me, like I. 784 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.880 Give you twenty bucks, and I'll go get it. 785 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.360 I would give you twenty bucks. I was really bummed because, 786 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.559 like you know, phones are actually expected. I was like 787 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:17.320 looking it up and I was like, holy shit, like 788 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.880 iPhones are like one thousand dollars. 789 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:20.480 Yeah, like. 790 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:26.559 The wet sack expense sink. Anyway, Okay, this. 791 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.639 Is my fatal mistake, my fatal mistakes. 792 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.360 I want to call it right now. Wait is it 793 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.159 still powered on? 794 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.199 I don't know, call it. 795 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.599 It's like blah blah blah. 796 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.000 Blah, fucking fish on the other end. 797 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.840 If like a sea creature, what if I'm down there? 798 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.559 What if like a sea snake? Is just like it's. 799 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:54.119 It's down there right now. It's just kind of like 800 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.400 this devastating thing. Because my fatal flaw was the wet 801 00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:03.159 sack that Josh gave me had like a band so 802 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.320 that you could connect it to maybe like your neck 803 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.559 or something like that. But I needed to stretch it 804 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.679 out past the boat to get the footy. So I 805 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:18.039 took the clip and I attached it to the selfie 806 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:24.159 stick that way. Is it ringing? Yeah, Oh my god, 807 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:34.199 it's that's so sad. Yes, it's that's really sad. The 808 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.400 phone is connected to the selfie stick, so that if 809 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.639 the phone fell out of the selfie stick, I would 810 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.840 still have it. But because the selfie stick got knocked 811 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.239 out of my hand, the phone was connected to the 812 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.920 selfie stick and they both sank to the bottom of 813 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.039 the woodlammt. 814 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:52.320 Yeah, the boom swings quickly. 815 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:53.440 I know. 816 00:42:56.079 --> 00:43:01.800 It's thousand dollars. It's very but I was sad about it, 817 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.800 and then we both poured out a beer. 818 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.679 In No one's ever gonna see that footage. 819 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.400 It's gone. You guys are so awesome. 820 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.039 You'll have to get a new one and track in. 821 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.960 I'm never doing that again. And I looked at Josh too, 822 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.679 because you know, it's like one of those things where 823 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.679 it's like, obviously, it's my fault. I should have kept 824 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.039 I should have I should have held onto that phone. 825 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:26.719 I should have held onto that selfie stick, I should 826 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.639 have connected it with a piece of string to my ankle, 827 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.239 whatever the fuck I needed to do. It was my fault. 828 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.880 And I look at him and I go, oh, bring 829 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.639 your selfie stick. Oh, like, let's get sick footy on 830 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.199 the boone. And he was just like, not my fault. 831 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.920 I was like, I know, I know, it's my fault. 832 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.639 It's just trying trying to point the blame anywhere else. 833 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.239 They felt so bad about it. 834 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.320 I just imagine like here on the one that uh 835 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.480 I'm marry, that's Josh. We're gone super fast. Ah oh shit. 836 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.280 Was it recording when this happened. 837 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:05.840 I don't know. I don't think so. And the reason 838 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:06.440 I don't think so. 839 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.000 Is so funny, dude. 840 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.119 I wish I could recover that footy because it's really 841 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.639 good and it's the only it would be the only 842 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.239 justifiable thing to losing my phone would be like, well, 843 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.320 I have this really cool footage. It was worth the 844 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:20.920 error that I had, But it's not worth it. Nothing 845 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.000 was worth what happened I lost. I'm grateful that my 846 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.000 phone backs up my photo so I didn't lose the 847 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.440 photos of like my dad's seventieth, which I think would 848 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.920 have made me cry. But like I had everything backed 849 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.639 up digitally except for the videos that I took on 850 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.880 that boat. So I lost all my sick boat photos 851 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:39.639 and videos. 852 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.519 Do you e a Do you find my iPhone enabled? 853 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.000 What do you want me to do? 854 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:52.440 Like Mike can get it, Like like's a diver diving lessons. 855 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.599 You know the exact spot in the in the lake. 856 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.079 I could point to it from the river edge. 857 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.039 It would be fun. I can find out kinds of 858 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.599 things down there. It'd be like the Sunny episode. May 859 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.239 buy a boat. It's like there must have been some 860 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.440 sort of civil revolutionary war horse massacre. The hell happened 861 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.519 down there? What have you been playing? 862 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:21.119 I've been playing Yellow Taxi goes Broom didn't miss a beat. 863 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.000 We really should have like banked up a lot of 864 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.320 embarrassing things, he said, for when he's not here. 865 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.159 Yeah, mentally, mentally note those and I'll, uh, I'll put 866 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:30.519 them in my my soundboard. 867 00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:32.599 I don't know that you need to comb through episodes 868 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:33.320 to find dumb things. 869 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:37.679 Yeah, probably not just any random. 870 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.880 The wave for him when it gets really. 871 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:40.880 Talking. 872 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.320 I played steam World Quest two after talking about it 873 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.280 last episode and how much I was sorry not Steam 874 00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.960 World Quest two. Steam World Heists two Steamer Old Quest 875 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.280 is a game. Yeah, I like it a bunch. I 876 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.760 like the first one. As we talked about last time. 877 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.800 Used to be Image and Form. Now it's Thunderfold Games. 878 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.000 They just make a bunch of different kind of games 879 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.880 from a bunch of different genres, set in the same 880 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:09.599 steampunk kind of cartoony universe. But yeah, Steam World Heist two, 881 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.199 I really like how they fleshed out, like that second 882 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.599 layer above, the actual battles when you're building out the submarine, 883 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.719 you're traveling through the world, you're actually getting into these 884 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.000 kind of like naval light battles against other ships. That 885 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.360 stuff's really fun and that's compelling. I also really enjoy 886 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.920 the class flexibility between characters. Your class is based on 887 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:37.519 your weapon. They're the weapon the characters using, so you 888 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.920 can just swap weapons out. And then you spend these 889 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.199 things called cogs to carryover abilities from previous class, and 890 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.360 you could switch between them any time, so you could 891 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.159 go with Once you build out your crew, you could 892 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.119 have four characters and each of them are using the 893 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:56.320 submachine guns, which makes them all reapers, which anytime you 894 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.320 kill a character you then get a second follow up 895 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.039 shot to try to kill another one, Which is all 896 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.639 to say that the actual class progression and synergy are 897 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.519 really clever in that game. I consistently. Actually, I'm very 898 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.840 much a person who in RPGs, when you get the 899 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.400 ability to multi class, it kind of makes me anxious. 900 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.880 I want to just keep that character in the category 901 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.159 that I know them as, and I want to keep 902 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.079 them being the healer. I don't want to fuck around 903 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.559 with them. Also, being kind of a DPS in this game, 904 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.480 I'm actually like, all right, I'll give my sniper, who 905 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.360 I have equipped with all this sniper equipment, I will 906 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.280 give her the shotguns so she could be a flanker 907 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.000 just for this mission. And then the abilities I get 908 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:45.639 from ranking up her flanker tree can then benefit when 909 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.679 I go back to sniper with her, because then she 910 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.119 can move farther or get extra movement on a turn, 911 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.880 et cetera. So yeah, it's fris like. I don't know 912 00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.280 if you'd agree, Mary Jake. Have you played Steam Real 913 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.239 has too? No? 914 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.960 I don't even know what kind of game this is. 915 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:09.320 Oh sorry, Yeah, it's like x Com esque two D 916 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.119 you The first game was you are boarding these sci 917 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.639 fi like outer ships in outer space and you are 918 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.840 just going aboard these pirate vessels and naval vessels to 919 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.519 rob them. And then I honestly forget what the strategy 920 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.920 layer was in that game. You're building up a crew, 921 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:31.760 you're going on different missions, you're outfitting them, ranking them up. 922 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.320 It was definitely x Com inspired. This one, however, you're 923 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.199 actual it's back in like water, so you're more like 924 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.599 pirate pirates. And one layer is those missions you're going 925 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.679 and you're fighting the navy, which they're all diesel fueled 926 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.679 robots and you're steampunk robots. You are robbing them of 927 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.039 clean drinking water, ache or fuel for the robots. You're 928 00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.320 also getting renowned in these different parts of this world. 929 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:03.360 But the second layer of the game is this overhead 930 00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.800 top down of you sailing around islands as the submarine 931 00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.719 that you're also outfitting the submarine with like broadside machine 932 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:16.320 guns and automatic turrets on top and better boosters, and 933 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.800 you can dive longer because when you go underwater there's 934 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.000 actually this like separate map that you can access secret 935 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.800 areas with. So it has that xcom like. Half of 936 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.760 it is the strategy layer, half it is the actual 937 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.440 tactical fights, and I think it works really well. I 938 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:34.559 really don't care about the story. I would actually say 939 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:39.360 the voice acting is actively. It sounds like they couldn't 940 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.559 afford a voice actor, so one of the developers had 941 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:43.920 to do it all. I don't mean that to be mean. 942 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:45.559 It just strikes me as like it was a very 943 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.440 budget voice acting kind of situation. But it doesn't matter. 944 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.639 I still it's one of my favorite games of the year. 945 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:57.519 I'm actively hooked on it. It's a good steam deck game. Yeah, Mary, 946 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.119 I saw you were streaming it and playing a decent 947 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:01.760 amount as well. 948 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.719 I've put some hours into it. I'm really enjoying the 949 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.199 different character classes and how I can I've gotten a 950 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:13.320 little adjusted I was curious who your favorite character is 951 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.679 because I'm a Sola person through and through. I think 952 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.000 Sola's really interesting and super fun. 953 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.440 To play is that the first character you have. 954 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:28.239 Sola is a robot and they have a laser that 955 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.400 bounces like sixty times, and so you can like laser 956 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.000 everybody in a room and it crashes, and so they're 957 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.880 really fun to play, and I also really like playing 958 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.760 It's a lady. I think her name is like oh 959 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.360 because it's a joke off of Judy Dench. It's Judy 960 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.480 Wrench and she has a really fun additional skill, Jake. 961 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.559 I think this one's really fun. It's just brate someone 962 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.119 verbally for three health remove you don't have to even 963 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.559 be able to see them, so like in theory, she's 964 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:05.760 just basically. 965 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:09.119 Like shouting insults, well, bitch. 966 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.760 I'll fucking wreck you. You finding loser, nobody likes you, 967 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:12.800 and then they just they just. 968 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:14.480 The spirit round. 969 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.480 It's so funny. It's really enjoyable to use these different 970 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.360 character classes to your advantage and say, like I'm going 971 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.599 to bring Judy Wrench for sure, because she just fucking 972 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.119 mouths people to death, which is hilarious. And souls with 973 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:35.719 their laser and Solas also can build defense in front 974 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:36.840 of them, which is really. 975 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.760 Oh yeah, well that's the that's yeah, that's from the 976 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.000 engineer class from using a equipping a pistol, so like 977 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.800 you could give a pistol to Judy Wrench and she 978 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.079 would have the engineer ability. 979 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.159 To build to build defences. 980 00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.079 When you rank them up, they also get you can 981 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:56.880 you can give them med kits and then they can 982 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.559 use those for free and it doesn't cost an action, 983 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.079 so they you can also become your medics support class. 984 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.599 I need a medic I keep losing people. I will say, Like, so, 985 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.719 I'm not really versed in turn based and it tends 986 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.239 to be my downfall that in games where you're only 987 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:17.360 supposed to be sneaky, Yeah, those are like ones where 988 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.960 I'm like, uh, I'm not going very very good at 989 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:22.719 these game. I usually don't I usually don't read all 990 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.440 the details. And when they tell me like there's like 991 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.320 eighty different things that I could choose them, like whatever, 992 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.039 I choose the first one. So yeah, kind of ham 993 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.239 fishing my way through this game. But I am getting 994 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.199 decently far. It's not super difficult, but it's not easy either. 995 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.480 What I really like is that you can change the 996 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.440 difficulty at a moment's notice, and there's no punishment for losing. 997 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.800 So if I take three people out on a skirmish 998 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.280 and they all die, I do not lose them permanently. 999 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.039 I do not take any hits. I don't lose anything. 1000 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.800 You just don't get experience, right, or maybe you get 1001 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.199 a little bit. 1002 00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.760 I think I lost the hours that I spent trying. 1003 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.760 But you know, there's no aggressive punishment for being bad 1004 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.719 at the game, which gives me the flexibility to feel 1005 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:10.920 like I can try and enjoy it. And I also 1006 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.159 really like the naval battles Mike. I think that's a 1007 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:18.559 refreshing break from turn based actions, which I think could 1008 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:20.840 get a little exhausting. But it is very nice to 1009 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.920 be like, I just finished a long, forty minute turn 1010 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.559 based battle and now I'm going to run around with 1011 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:30.559 my ship and just shoot people in real time. Yeah, 1012 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.440 and that's fun. So they did a good job with 1013 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.679 the balance this game. I do think it's very highly 1014 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:40.679 polished visually mechanically. The audio is very good, except for 1015 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.800 the voice acting, I guess, but like I think the 1016 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.079 music is really good. I'm really liking this game, and 1017 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.639 I do recommend it. I think it's worth playing. I've 1018 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:52.159 never played a steam World game before, and someone told 1019 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.280 me that one of them is a metroid Vania, and 1020 00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.880 I was like, should I play that? 1021 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:56.400 Oh? 1022 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.440 Steam World, dick isn't isn't their whole thing? Like they 1023 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.559 just takes the world and then just play to a 1024 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.079 bunch of different genres. So I've played Quest, I think, 1025 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.360 and that was sort of like a turn based RPG 1026 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:08.280 building rpg. 1027 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:09.639 Yeah, yeah, it. 1028 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:11.360 Was so long ago though, I don't really remember it. 1029 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.000 But I've always heard good things about Heist, and I 1030 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:14.719 think game Spots review gave it like a nine. 1031 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:15.320 The new one. 1032 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.519 The old dig is really highly reviewed as well. 1033 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.400 Oh you hadn't played Dig, Mary, you'd like Dig? 1034 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:21.920 Can you? 1035 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:22.320 Guys know? 1036 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.320 I love I love metroid Vane and so like, I 1037 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.400 feel like I should play this. 1038 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.920 Wait, no, sorry steam World. There are two SteamWorld digs, 1039 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:29.280 I believe, well. 1040 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.320 Because one is like a mine not Minecraft. 1041 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.639 But isn't there one? It's like you just did, It's 1042 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:35.920 not really a metro vania. 1043 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.440 Less yeah, almost Minecraft. It's more almost Star de Light 1044 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.800 kind of. It's more resource gathering and farming, et cetera. 1045 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.159 Steam World Dig two, I believe is the one that 1046 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.960 went much more Metrodvana and that's a really good game. 1047 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.400 The most recent one before Steam World Has two was 1048 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.760 steam World Build, which is when you're digging for resources, 1049 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.800 but then it's also a city builder on top of it. 1050 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.239 I have not played since early access. It it was 1051 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.960 early access, so take this with a grain of salt. 1052 00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.000 I did not love it. It felt like city building 1053 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.280 was the first genre they tried to tackle that they 1054 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.360 were not great at, but maybe they fleshed out since. 1055 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.679 Well, they can't be good at everything. I was actually 1056 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.159 just it's kind of crazy that they made a really 1057 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:22.440 good turn based and they made a really good Metrivanea, 1058 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.639 and they've made a really good city builder, Like you 1059 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:26.000 have to be shit at one of them. 1060 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:29.079 Yeah, they're like small scale blizzards like every genre they tackle. 1061 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.760 It's just I guess you can make that so inspiring. 1062 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.920 This company is really cool. This like dev team, and 1063 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:36.960 did you see that the dev team is also the 1064 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.000 same team that publishes it. Like they're just this unit, 1065 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:47.159 this absolute chunky unit that can do it all. They're like, yeah, whatever, 1066 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.360 we'll do all the genres, we'll do all the voice 1067 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.840 acting ourselves with Gary will publish it ourselves. We don't 1068 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.039 need fucking anybody. Like, how big is this company? 1069 00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:01.639 Yeah, Thunderful Games previous. I believe it's just one to 1070 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.559 one previously Image and Form. Let me look that up to. 1071 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.400 Yeah, I remember Image and Form definitely published like Steam 1072 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.639 World Quest or developed and published it. So I don't 1073 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:16.480 know when they changed, because isn't there another publishing like 1074 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.119 indie publishing called Thunderful or something. 1075 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:25.960 Yeah, they're getting Thonderful Group is the publisher Wonderful Games 1076 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.079 incorporating the former Thunderful had been found in twenty seventeen, 1077 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:38.480 incorporating Image and Form and Zoinc. So yeah, I believe 1078 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:41.599 it's it's it's like a small merger. But yeah, I 1079 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.000 mean they're they made a sequel to a game that 1080 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.679 Image in Form made, so they're continuing their legacy. But yeah, 1081 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.280 it's there. I we started. I don't know if it 1082 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:52.159 was for reboot or what. No, it wouldn't have been 1083 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.480 for reboot, yeah, because I was in the game spot 1084 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.760 in New York office, and I think we're still we 1085 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.800 had I don't think we had been doing reboot by then, 1086 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.000 but we were still doing like video essays together every 1087 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.559 once in a while, Jake, But I remember playing steam 1088 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.519 World Quest and I had a video that we were 1089 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.480 like a video essay about just how agile they've been. 1090 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:14.519 Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's how I played it, 1091 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.079 And that sounds fimiliar. I think that's how I know 1092 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.880 a lot of not a lot, but I think that's 1093 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.519 how I know. What I do know about them is 1094 00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:20.440 from that video. 1095 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.920 Yeah, it's also just a great steam Deck game. I 1096 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.920 believe it's also on Switch, so I mean, like, if 1097 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:32.000 people are looking for a very good handheld game, thirty 1098 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:38.920 dollars well worth it. It's it's very fun. I like 1099 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:46.400 as opposed to Xcom two, similar to or No, actually 1100 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:53.280 as opposed to what the hell Mario Plus Rabids Kingdom 1101 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.280 Battle and whatever the hell? The second game was called 1102 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.719 a game, which I liked very much. That just the 1103 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.519 subtitle escapes me. In those games, you have those like 1104 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.039 percentages that to hit, but it's like it's it tells 1105 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:07.440 you how much damage you're going to do, So it's 1106 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.280 not a percentage like yes, you will hit them if 1107 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.599 you shoot this, or no you won't. They're behind double cover. 1108 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.559 Xcom has the infamous percentages steamrollhis two for those who 1109 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:20.000 haven't played the first one. You get like a laser 1110 00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:24.039 site from a two D perspective, and you're basically just 1111 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.719 trying to aim that at enemies' faces from across the room, 1112 00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.440 and you could pan with the right analog stick. Not 1113 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.800 every character's gun, some of them, like the pistol, unless 1114 00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:34.920 you get an upgrade, will just be like two feet 1115 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.280 worth of a laser sight, and then you kind of 1116 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.679 have to line it up by by estimating snipers will 1117 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.440 the laser site goes across the whole room. And then 1118 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.920 it's also worth noting that because these are in confined spaces, 1119 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:53.320 there's ricochet involved, so you can like billiard bank your 1120 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.599 bullet off a ceiling above robots if they're behind cover. 1121 00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.760 So I like that there's some skill in like alignment involved. 1122 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:03.559 Where or x Com two my maybe my favorite game 1123 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.519 ever made the percentages don't it's less about you know, 1124 00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:09.000 lining up. I mean, they're skill involved, for sure, but 1125 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.039 it's everybody's seen that like ninety five percent shot that 1126 00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:15.320 missed and that was frustrating as how where a Steam 1127 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.280 World if you miss technically it's your fat's your fault. 1128 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.639 Yeah that's cool. 1129 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.079 I like that there's sort of a tactile aspect to 1130 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.840 the aiming. I think that I don't know for me, 1131 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.400 would make it not more engaging, to be honest, you. 1132 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.679 Should check it out. I actually I also think the 1133 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.480 mission design is really good about keeping you on your feet. 1134 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.440 One mission will be an alarm just sounded, so you 1135 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.760 have to survive for the eight rounds of alarm, and 1136 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.039 you're trying to like balance getting your characters into a 1137 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.800 defensible position, but you also want to still try to 1138 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.320 kill enemies each round because if you don't kill the 1139 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.159 two that just came in on the last alarm, two 1140 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.079 more are gonna come. It just gets harder and harder. 1141 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:58.960 Others it's like you have to get to because again 1142 00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.119 it's still you're very much your pirates and you're like 1143 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.000 you're robbing the Navy. It's like you got to get 1144 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.079 to this loot this timed loot box before it explodes 1145 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.159 or whatever. So then you're similar to the Xcom two 1146 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.159 mission where you're going to save a hack a computer 1147 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:15.639 before it explodes, like you really have to move quickly, 1148 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.199 so it's like move quickly, but do it very very slowly. Yeah. 1149 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.119 I And some missions is like you can only take 1150 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.559 one person on it. Others it's four. I have not 1151 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.440 gotten to a point where it's past four yet. Maybe 1152 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.079 you can increase your squad size to five. So far 1153 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.320 I'm still at four. But yeah, I mean the map. 1154 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.159 The map is also like. It's not the best looking 1155 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.000 game ever. It's kind of I don't know, if you 1156 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:45.000 played Monster Train. It's that kind of I'm not even 1157 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.039 sure how to describe it, sort of hand like cheaply 1158 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:50.679 hand drawn. But they they ring a lot out of 1159 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:55.519 that stone here. So the like more tropical Caribbean looking 1160 01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.320 map at the beginning is pretty good, like, but then 1161 01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.800 you get to a part where you're in Arctica, which 1162 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.039 is and it becomes like more polar ice caps and 1163 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:08.960 barren arctic deserts off the water. Yeah. Great game. I 1164 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.760 can't say enough good things about it. Everybody should if 1165 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.239 you're into turn based games at all, or you're just 1166 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:18.960 didn't need a good Steam deck or Switch game. I 1167 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.320 think it's well worth checking out. It's thirty dollars, it's 1168 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.159 well worth in my opinion, I would have paid sixty 1169 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:24.480 for this. 1170 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:29.760 I agree. I think it's fantastic and absolutely worth playing. Jake, 1171 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:30.760 what have you been playing? 1172 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.199 I've been playing a game called Natsuman twentieth century kid. 1173 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:36.119 What that fuck? 1174 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:38.679 Yeah? Oh if you heard of this mic, you're not. 1175 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.519 It's the Isn't that like a huge thing in Japan 1176 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.480 that has not come over this way until now for 1177 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:46.000 a while. 1178 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:46.920 Yeah. 1179 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.039 So, I think the series has been around for a 1180 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:50.960 very long time, but I think this is the first 1181 01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.880 one to make it over to the United States. And 1182 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.079 basically the whole premise of I think all these games, 1183 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.079 this one in particular. You play as a little kid 1184 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:03.199 in a world Japanese town during summer break and you 1185 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.280 have thirty days to just spend it however you want. 1186 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:11.159 You can catch bugs, you you can go fishing. There's 1187 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:12.840 a bunch of little quests that you can do. 1188 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:14.960 It. 1189 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:16.880 It's really interesting. 1190 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.920 It it reminds me of being a kid in a 1191 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:21.519 weird way because it takes place at the turn of 1192 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:24.039 the century, like nineteen ninety nine, and I think the 1193 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:25.760 kid's supposed to be like eight or whatever. 1194 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.800 And it's very innocent. It's very simple. 1195 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.360 It definitely has some PS two gives us some PS 1196 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.239 two energy. It doesn't always look great, doesn't run great, 1197 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.320 camera's not great. You know, there's some switch, there's some 1198 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.920 issues with it. Yeah, I'm playing on Switch. I think 1199 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.519 it's on PC too, It's probably better if you play 1200 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:44.960 on PC. 1201 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.000 It's on Steam. I'm looking at it. 1202 01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.679 Yeah, it's probably a safer bet on Steam. But yeah, 1203 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:56.000 I had known very little about the series, but I 1204 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.400 saw this was the first one to make it to 1205 01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:59.679 the United States, and I was like, I should try this, 1206 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.920 and I'm I'm really liking it. It's yeah, it's it's interesting. 1207 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.960 It borrows a lot from Breath of the Wild in 1208 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.159 a weird way. I don't want to compare it to 1209 01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.519 Breath of the Wild necessarily, like it doesn't have the combat, 1210 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.360 doesn't have that like that sense of discovery, at least 1211 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.159 in the same way. But like there's a climbing mechanic 1212 01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.679 that is very similar to what you'd see in Breath 1213 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:24.159 of the Wild. 1214 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.199 Climb anything, Yeah, you can climb anything. 1215 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.400 There's stamina that you improve by completing quests, and the 1216 01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:36.960 quests are always just like the lighthouse owner is sad, 1217 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:38.639 go cheer him up and you go talk to him 1218 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:40.800 and he's like, oh, the lens is dirty, can you 1219 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.760 clean it for me? And then you climbed at the 1220 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.159 top of the lighthouse clean it just things like that. 1221 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:52.079 It's very simple, it's very interesting. The localization is pretty rough, 1222 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.599 but I almost think that kind of adds to the charm. 1223 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:58.719 Where a lot of the translations don't quite mean a 1224 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.039 whole lot in English. Some of them just flat out 1225 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.400 don't make sense. But like I said, I think it 1226 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:04.639 kind of had adds to the charm. 1227 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:06.920 Cool. 1228 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:10.320 This looks actually pretty cute. 1229 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.880 Like I said, it is buggy. It doesn't run great. 1230 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.079 I don't know if it's a merry game, but there is. 1231 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.400 So many minigames, and I love minigames. 1232 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.199 It does have a lot of mini games. There is 1233 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.880 I wouldn't say a lot of text to read, but there. 1234 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:28.599 Is a good amount. 1235 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.039 I would say there's a Dewey talkie scale. 1236 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.760 I would say it leans more to Dowey than talkie, 1237 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.199 but there's definitely talkie there. And I think the talkie 1238 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.800 is like pretty structured, right, Like each morning there's a 1239 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:44.719 conversation that usually happens that progresses the story, and each 1240 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:49.320 night there's one, so like usually you get this chunk 1241 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:52.480 in between where you can just kind of explore do 1242 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:53.199 whatever you want. 1243 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:55.440 What if I don't want to do the story, what 1244 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.320 if I only want to catch bugs for thirty days. 1245 01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:58.239 Am I allowed to do that? 1246 01:04:58.760 --> 01:04:58.960 Yeah? 1247 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.320 You can skip all the cuts scenes. I think you 1248 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:02.920 can skip all most of the cut scenes. 1249 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.320 You just can I do the activities that I want 1250 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:05.559 to do. 1251 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.079 Yeah, you don't have to buy like a bug, like 1252 01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:12.960 a bugnet, or a fishing rod or a pick axe. 1253 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.320 You just have them, so like right from the beginning, 1254 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:17.199 you can just go to a pond and start fishing, 1255 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:20.880 or you can start catching bugs. And I think one 1256 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:24.199 of probably the most endearing things about it is the 1257 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:28.559 main character has a little journal. So every bug he catches, 1258 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.360 he like draws a little sketch in the journal, and 1259 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.079 you can, like there's like a couple options of how 1260 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:36.840 you want to fill in that journal entry with dialogue, 1261 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.280 like or with text. It's like I caught this bug today. 1262 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.800 Apparently it's rare or there's a longer version. But they 1263 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:45.480 they're clearly drawn by a little kid. 1264 01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:45.800 You know. 1265 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.519 It's like crayon and they're scribbled together. And it's not 1266 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:51.840 it's not great. It's very I think it's it's got 1267 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:52.360 a lot of heart. 1268 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:54.800 It's got a lot of heart, but it is Uh. 1269 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.360 I don't think it's going to knock anyone socks off, 1270 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.920 maybe unless that's the kind of thing you're looking for. 1271 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.440 What's intrigued. Yeah, I like stuff like this generally just 1272 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.440 more worried about like how dewey it is. But if 1273 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.880 you think it's dewy enough, I think this is something that, like, 1274 01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.079 I don't know, this kind of appeals to me. I 1275 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.880 love where it's like, hey, any day, you don't really 1276 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.760 know what you're gonna do because it's weird and the 1277 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.920 screenshots are so wild. Everything's so different. There's a screenshot 1278 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.320 of doing like, I don't know, yoga in a group 1279 01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:33.800 in the middle of the town. 1280 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:35.920 Hall, and so that's not a mini game. 1281 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.639 That is like a three minute cut scene of them 1282 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.119 just doing. Oh you can skip it. I watched the 1283 01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:43.079 first time and skip it every time. But I was 1284 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:44.480 like getting ready because I was like, all right, I 1285 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.119 gotta like move the stick in the circle or whatever. 1286 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.239 But nope, you can just watch them do. 1287 01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:55.079 Yoga for radio, radio calisthenics or whatever for three minutes 1288 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:55.639 every day. 1289 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.880 It is sweet. Obviously a sweet little game, but probably 1290 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:06.079 for a unique audience. Interesting. I've also been playing. Would 1291 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.719 you consider this wholesome? I would consider this quite wholesome. 1292 01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.559 Yeah, i'd say, I'd say it's wholesome. 1293 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.639 I've also been playing a game that I think is 1294 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:21.280 pretty wholesome. Dan actually messaged me from Germany to make 1295 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.000 sure that I played it, which I think is very sweet. 1296 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.639 And usually when someone does that, I'm like, I gotta 1297 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.800 play it because they've pushed me to play it. Dan 1298 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:35.239 told me to play Fields of Mystery. I downloaded it 1299 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.119 last night. I've put not that much into it, maybe 1300 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:47.719 like six seven hours into it so far. But it's very, very, 1301 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:53.000 very much like Stardo, almost too much. But you are 1302 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.719 new to a town. You get a plot of land 1303 01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:00.599 that you can farm. You do ta asks for the 1304 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.639 farmers that increase your rank in the town. Right now, 1305 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.239 my rank is wood. I do not know what the 1306 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.360 next rank is, so I cannot answer that question. 1307 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.400 Your rank as wood, my rank is woold. That sounds 1308 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.520 like something like Ken from the Barbie movie would say. 1309 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.399 My job is farm and my rank is wood, and 1310 01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:29.880 I am planting tulips to sell them. There's so much commonality. 1311 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.720 Right There is a mine. I haven't been able to 1312 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.359 get into it yet because I haven't unlocked that part yet. 1313 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:40.199 There is a sea and some lake space, and I 1314 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.600 can fish, and there is a fishing minigame. It is 1315 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:47.199 not the same fishing minigame. The fishing minigame in Stardu 1316 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.039 is kind of annoying, right, Like there's this block and 1317 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.359 you have to have a to raise the block, yeah, 1318 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:54.640 and you have to kind of tap it to make 1319 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:56.319 sure that the block is in the right space. This 1320 01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:01.199 one is just wait until the fish your bait, and 1321 01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.520 the second they do, you have like half of a 1322 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.119 second to hit a to real am in and as 1323 01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:08.560 long as you hit the button at the right time, 1324 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.720 you get them. I've been doing that a lot. It's interesting. 1325 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.800 It has more character development as far as I'm aware 1326 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.720 so far, in the sense that every Friday all the 1327 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:26.079 characters meet at the same lodge to hang out, and 1328 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.600 when I talk to them, they have stories that progress. 1329 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.800 One night, all the characters were playing D and D. 1330 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:36.720 I had other characters that were playing poker and arguing, 1331 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:39.039 which was kind of neat, just like seeing them fight 1332 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:41.399 with each other. And one of the characters who's kind 1333 01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:43.279 of mean to me, got too drunk and was like, 1334 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:48.159 I like you, that's pretty cool. I assume there's romance, 1335 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.359 but I haven't unlocked the ability to romance. Anybody. What 1336 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:55.439 I will say about this is in Stardo, obviously, romance 1337 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:57.359 is a huge part of it. You get excited about 1338 01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:03.520 romancing a character based on their personality. In Mystery, everybody 1339 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:11.079 is smoking hot. They are so unbelievably titty bang bang 1340 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:15.760 hot that I struggled to pick someone that I was like, 1341 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.039 that's gonna be my focus, because every time I met 1342 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.880 a new character, I was like, oh shit, they're hot, 1343 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.279 and there's like this anime style to them. They have 1344 01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.319 a like eight bit Avatar or whatever that makes them 1345 01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.880 look more casual. But when they talk to you, it's 1346 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.279 a drawing and it's very uh what is it called, 1347 01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:40.199 Like that dad Daddy dating simulator, It's got dream Daddy 1348 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.119 all over it where it's just like these people are. 1349 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.119 They've made them way too hot for this environment. No 1350 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:49.399 farmers should look like that. I was helping out a 1351 01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:52.119 lady make potions. There's also like some kind of magic 1352 01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:56.960 element going on to this town, and she had titties 1353 01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:59.800 pop it out of her turtleneck. She looked so crazy 1354 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:03.439 that I was like, I must be the slave to 1355 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:08.560 your bath house because she's just unbelievable. And I found 1356 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:12.479 myself struggling with giving her gifts that she liked. It's 1357 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.439 been a bit torturous to me. I don't know what 1358 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:22.640 to say. This is definitely for horny kids. Play it 1359 01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:25.880 if you liked Stardoo and you want to like sweat 1360 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:28.960 on some unbelievable good looking people. 1361 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.239 I've been I've been hearing a lot of people talk 1362 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:36.600 about this recently, and it sounds really good. I just 1363 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:39.600 I noticed it was an early access, and I in 1364 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.399 my head, I'm always like, well, I'd rather like I 1365 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.119 don't want to burn myself out before it actually comes out, 1366 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:46.119 you know, like I did that. 1367 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:47.239 I guess started released. 1368 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:49.640 It didn't release an early access, but like I feel 1369 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.159 like I played started too early seeing all the stuff 1370 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:53.520 they eventually added to it, and I was like, I 1371 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.239 don't know if I can go back to it, So 1372 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:56.680 like I'm my eye on it. 1373 01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:58.600 I'm just waiting for the right time. I guess. 1374 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:02.319 Usually I also of an early access person. The reason 1375 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:04.439 I haven't played Hades too is because it's in early 1376 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:06.760 access and I prefer to play when they come out. Yeah, 1377 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:11.920 this is Dan recommended it. I couldn't help it. I 1378 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.319 do really love Stardu, so this is obviously up my alley. 1379 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.880 And something that I'm going to probably continue playing. It's 1380 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.600 funny I brought up Hades because it's kind of like 1381 01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.079 got the Hades hotness, you know what I mean? You 1382 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.159 know everybody was like playing Hades. The game is so 1383 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.359 well done, but you're also like, I can't not talk 1384 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.760 about how hot these characters are. Mystery is the same, 1385 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:34.239 very well made, Like this is an adorable game. It 1386 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.840 does what it's seeking very well. It has a couple 1387 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:41.319 deviations from Stardu just to make it not literally the 1388 01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.680 same game. But you're ultimately anyone who liked Stardu, You're 1389 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:52.039 getting a very parallel experience with this game. But everybody's hot. 1390 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.640 I just want to start started so got so much 1391 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.399 more going on. I played like six months ago, and 1392 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:00.359 I had no idea you had them any different starting 1393 01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.640 areas and rules and modifiers. 1394 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:08.439 The modifiers are crazy now when people are like sleeping 1395 01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:10.520 with other people in that game, because that's new to me. 1396 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:12.119 Is that. 1397 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:15.119 Penetration too? 1398 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:16.439 Yeah? 1399 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:19.199 I think it was what update two point seven that 1400 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:20.720 added penetration. 1401 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:26.880 Up update six. Here's the twist. We show it. We 1402 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:30.199 show all of it. Staff lungering out in the fields, 1403 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:34.520 farming comes back, outrageous sexual experience on his young pupil 1404 01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.239 I'm doing. It's always sunny, and it's just clarifying this 1405 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:39.239 isn't a fantasy I have. 1406 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:40.960 This is your fantasy too. 1407 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:42.760 Yeah, it could be both. 1408 01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:46.439 But the sex stuff in Stardo was that an update? 1409 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.119 Or is that where people are modding the game? 1410 01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:52.880 I think, well, I think it depends. 1411 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:54.840 Like I think people mod it in some real weird 1412 01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.319 ways and probably take it much further than the developer 1413 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.600 probably intended. Uh. 1414 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:02.279 That said, I'm pretty sure. 1415 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:07.520 The like like you, the whole like child raising stuff 1416 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:11.399 was like an update, right, I don't think that was you. 1417 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.279 Can legit have babies now and start. Yeah. 1418 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.199 I don't think they show them in life, No, I 1419 01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:19.800 think I think they do show the full birth. 1420 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:20.960 I think it's. 1421 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:23.039 Here's the twist. 1422 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.560 You have full crowning, you see everything. You have to 1423 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.439 cut the umbilical cord. There's a mini game for it. 1424 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.399 Yeah, there's like you have to anytime they dilate more 1425 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.800 than six inches or whatever it is, you have to 1426 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.079 the analyt sticks like your hands. There's haptic feedback. 1427 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:46.640 Pain modulator for men's bellies that you can feel what 1428 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:47.680 it's like to have a contraction. 1429 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:53.319 Yeah, that'd a good use for the next switch. 1430 01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:54.880 Yeah. 1431 01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.399 I've heard that there's a thing that lets guys feel 1432 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:03.000 what cramps are like it cramps? 1433 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:03.520 Wow? 1434 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.159 Oh like yeah. 1435 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.359 Interesting, but for your body. 1436 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:08.760 I don't want to play that game. 1437 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.319 Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to just not play? 1438 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:15.199 Yeah? 1439 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.840 One of the few times where being a man is 1440 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:22.600 easier than being a woman. One of the few instances 1441 01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:23.159 I should. 1442 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:29.800 Say, yeah, the one. Uh is this a joke? Why 1443 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:31.000 do you have Hollow Night on here? 1444 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:33.399 Because I finally played Hollow Night? 1445 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.640 Don't start with me, I swear I did. 1446 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.920 You hadn't played it, par I tried it when it 1447 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:44.800 came out in twenty seventeen, but I didn't finish it, 1448 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.079 not because I didn't enjoy it, but because it was 1449 01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:48.840 It came out in twenty seventeen, and there was I 1450 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.760 think it was twenty seventeen or I played it in 1451 01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:54.119 twenty seventeen according to Steam. Uh, and there was just 1452 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.119 so much other stuff. So I finally went back and 1453 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.800 finished it. Gonna be honest, partly inspired by Dan a 1454 01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:02.560 little well. 1455 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.640 Dan never shuts up about that game, and he was 1456 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:06.159 trying to sell Mary on it for a while. 1457 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:12.079 And I'm a little offended that Dan is what convinced 1458 01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:13.560 you to play Hollow Night and not. 1459 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:17.199 Okay, I wouldn't say it was Dan who convinced me. 1460 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.199 A lot of people have been telling me to play 1461 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:21.279 Hollow Night because it's one of their favorite games of 1462 01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:24.000 all time. I mean, you've said so much about it. 1463 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:27.199 One of my good friends I visited him in Colorado 1464 01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:29.079 and he was just all he talked about is Hollow Night. 1465 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:31.119 Loves that game, one of his favorite games. So I 1466 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.359 came back from that trip and I was like, all right, 1467 01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:37.800 I don't play Hollow Night. Conveniently, Dan was also playing 1468 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:42.520 Hollow Night, so he finished it well before I did 1469 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.239 because he had surgery and everything. But I was chipping 1470 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.920 away at it. And it turns out people were right. 1471 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:48.960 That game's pretty good. 1472 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:56.680 Great reason, tell us more about, like what you liked 1473 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.319 about it since your first playthrough. 1474 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:01.039 I'm good, that's it. 1475 01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:01.479 That's it. 1476 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:07.680 I've been playing Tavern Manager Simulator. 1477 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:09.079 Nice. 1478 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:10.560 Is that good? 1479 01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:14.000 It's actually fucking great. I don't play a lot of 1480 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:18.319 sim games because I don't know. They usually don't grip me. 1481 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:23.159 This is Tavern Manager Simulator the whole thing. I have 1482 01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:25.880 to say that because I recommend it to a friend 1483 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.600 and they googled Tavern Manager and they got a completely 1484 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.000 different game. So it's Tavern Manager Simulator. 1485 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:34.479 Okay, I see you. 1486 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.960 You are the manager of a tavern in an RPG. 1487 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.359 It's very funny because you'll see people who are like, 1488 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:44.239 you know, they look like they came from like Wow, 1489 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.319 but they're ordering beers and sausages from you. You have 1490 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:51.560 to get everything. You have to order the wheat or 1491 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:55.319 whatever for your beer, the pops, and you have to 1492 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.800 order the sausages. You pour the beers yourself. There's mini 1493 01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:03.279 game for pouring the beer perfectly. If you overpour it, 1494 01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:05.079 now you've spilled on the floor and you have to 1495 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:08.199 mop up the floor. There's a clean rating for your tavern, 1496 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:10.640 and if it gets too dirty, people talk shit about you, 1497 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.199 so you actually have to like mop the floor, get 1498 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:18.520 rid of everybody's like dirty ass footprints. You wash the 1499 01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:22.720 dishes after people have finished drinking their ale, and they 1500 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:25.039 give you money for everything that they ordered, and then 1501 01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.000 you use that money to upgrade your tavern. Obviously, so 1502 01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:32.319 I got more tables, I increased the things that I 1503 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.279 was offering. Originally it was just beer and sausages. But 1504 01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:41.199 at this point I am doing steaks, soups, beers, and sausages. 1505 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.520 I got a lot of different stuff. I have a 1506 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:46.600 table for six, which is nuts. And then here's the 1507 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:50.000 cool part. Because it's set in like an RPG fantasy world, 1508 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:53.960 I can employ fairies. So I've hired a faerry to 1509 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.479 do my dishes, which is like my least favorite task, 1510 01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:00.439 and I you know, no, it's just a wearing really 1511 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.199 monotonous tasks. So as soon as I was able to 1512 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.840 hire my first fairy, now they do all my dishes 1513 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:06.520 and my dirty work, and I get to do the 1514 01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:08.680 stuff that I like to do, which is usually serving 1515 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.399 people and kicking out the drunks. It's pretty funny, like 1516 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:13.279 they have said it so that like some people drink 1517 01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.199 too much, they like ask for four beers and you 1518 01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:19.239 serve them and then when they're done, they just flop over, 1519 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.399 but you have to physically pick them up and hurl 1520 01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:25.800 them out the front of your bar and boot them out. 1521 01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:27.960 There's also an old lady that comes to the front 1522 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.439 of your tavern is just talk shit about you, and 1523 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.600 you get a pan to hit her over the head 1524 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.800 with it to get her out of your bar, which 1525 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:38.439 I think is very funny. People shit in my toilet 1526 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:41.399 and they clog it, and I have to unclog my toilet. 1527 01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:43.920 I don't enjoy that mini game, but I haven't been 1528 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.199 able to assign a faery to unclog my toilet, so 1529 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.239 that one I have to do. I cook my own soup, 1530 01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:53.000 I cook the steaks. It's all minigames. None of them 1531 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:56.439 are extremely hard. This is not a difficult or complicated game. 1532 01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.119 I actually really like playing it while I'm watching a 1533 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:02.399 TV show. I've been like watching Hacks a lot. I 1534 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.920 think it's very funny, and I can watch Hacks while 1535 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.680 I play Tavern Simulator. It's not too distracting. So, like, 1536 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.119 if anybody's out there who's like, I just want a 1537 01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:13.800 casual game that I can like half ass play while 1538 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:17.119 I'm like watching TV or sitting on my ass or drinking. 1539 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:19.800 This is the one you do not have to like 1540 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.159 pay attention. You do have to like function while you're 1541 01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.159 playing this game, but you don't have to think very hard. 1542 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:29.279 This is like a casual enjoy pretending to be a 1543 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.720 tavern wench or wenchman. 1544 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.640 My first thought looking at this on Steam is I 1545 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.439 feel like this would be a lot of fun in VR, 1546 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.159 like it's got that job simulator vibe. I don't know 1547 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:45.079 if you guys ever played jobs Inanda or whatever. I 1548 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.920 think they've made a couple of work simulator. I feel 1549 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.239 like that be a good time. 1550 01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:52.840 I think would be ideal in VR, especially like picking 1551 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:56.800 up the trunk and like carrying about hurling their fat ass. 1552 01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:58.680 Having that lady with a pan. 1553 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:00.840 Hitting the lady with a pan is funny. So the 1554 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.720 very first time it happened, I gave her ten dollars 1555 01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:06.199 and she goes away if you give her money. And 1556 01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:09.319 then the second time the game was like you've unlocked pan, 1557 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:11.079 and I was like, oh good, so that I can 1558 01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:13.319 make the sausages. And they were like, no, use this 1559 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:15.479 to beat the shit out of this old lady that's 1560 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.960 constantly begging in the front of your tavern and get 1561 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.239 rid of her. I could not believe that that's what 1562 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:22.680 they wanted me to use the pan for. But you know, 1563 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.079 one hit and I couldn't quit. I'll never give her 1564 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:27.119 money again. I just beat her ass every time I 1565 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:30.880 see her tavern. So that's my new system. 1566 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:34.399 I try this out. I what's the last like similar 1567 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:39.680 game no No. I played Barren Breakfast and I liked 1568 01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:41.000 a lot of that game. I feel like it took 1569 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:44.319 too long to get to the fun points though I 1570 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:48.439 like the actual fact that you're decorating the the in 1571 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:53.359 But yep, again, I think it took to it didn't 1572 01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:57.720 get to the actual, like compelling rewards quickly enough. 1573 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.600 I want to get a bit of a slow burn too, 1574 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:03.079 like I will prepare you. 1575 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:07.359 It's fine. It's maybe I'm probably phrasing it wrong. It's 1576 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:10.199 not I shouldn't say that. It's that Bear and Breakfast 1577 01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:11.800 took too long to get to the interesting that. It's like, 1578 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:13.640 I don't think it pasts it out, So there's long 1579 01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:16.439 stretches where I feel like I wasn't like doing much 1580 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.680 at all to like improve my place. 1581 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:26.119 Good games should just really dole that out almost every day, 1582 01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:27.680 so you feel like you're never doing the same thing. 1583 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.880 The very first day in this game, you're only pouring 1584 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.880 beers because you're learning and you're like figuring out the rules. 1585 01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:37.159 I swear, by like day three, it was like sausages 1586 01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:40.840 and beers. By like the first week I had soup. 1587 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:44.600 I mean, I'm definitely in it at this point. I've 1588 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:47.560 been playing for like a little bit longer. But I've 1589 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:50.520 I have upgraded my kitchen several times. I have put 1590 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:55.760 up cactuses and beautiful wall decorations, and I've upgraded a 1591 01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:58.000 lot of different companies. I've upgraded my bar so that 1592 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:01.560 it seats more people like I'm at this point, but 1593 01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:04.840 I do think that you know, you're probably gonna have 1594 01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:06.079 to give it four hours if you want to be 1595 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:08.439 able to play and upgrade like all the food and 1596 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:10.880 stuff like that. But I don't think that's a huge investment. 1597 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:15.079 And again, what I would argue is is, like everybody's different. 1598 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:17.359 You can play simulation games however you want. But I 1599 01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:21.840 have found this best on my Steam deck, casually playing 1600 01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:25.680 this while I'm like enjoying other media, if that makes sense. 1601 01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:27.640 This is not like Dodo, where I'm like, this is 1602 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.439 all I'm doing for the rest of the evening and 1603 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:31.439 I have all my Snacky's and my drinkies and I'm 1604 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:34.319 not leaving my computer. This is a like whatever, I 1605 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:37.359 will like casually play this for hours while I'm also 1606 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.239 talking with my mom on the phone, which. 1607 01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:47.960 I did do. Mary, what else have you played? 1608 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:53.880 I have also played Dross. It could be Dross. I'm 1609 01:23:53.920 --> 01:24:02.119 not really sure. I got this key were my switch, 1610 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:07.000 so I dust it off my Nintendo switch, which I 1611 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:09.239 have not turned on in a long time because I 1612 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:11.520 have a Steam deck now and I'm a changed person. 1613 01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:18.880 But the game Dross or Dross is a I want 1614 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.560 to say, it's like a light puzzler where you are 1615 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:27.680 a person in a Night's uniform, but you are also 1616 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:34.319 the Gou that is sentient that helps the person in 1617 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:39.399 the night armor, and you solve puzzles either together where 1618 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:44.960 the night Armor can cut things and open big boxes 1619 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:50.600 and is strong and heavy, or you are the goo. 1620 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:55.000 The Goo can jump, it's dexterous, but it's really weak 1621 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:58.560 and it can't defend itself. So in a puzzle where 1622 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.239 it's like, for example, the first area is like a sewer, 1623 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:05.840 and you're like, okay, I have to get some machine parts. 1624 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:09.359 I need to get to the next portal, but I'm 1625 01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.119 not heavy enough to open up the space. So I 1626 01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:14.600 bring the Night to the I don't know, it's like 1627 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:16.640 a button that you have to stand on to open 1628 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.600 up a gate. Then I release my goo. My Goo 1629 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:23.279 crawls around and opens up a different way so that 1630 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:26.079 my Night can get there. It's just puzzle based activities 1631 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:29.439 I don't think they're necessarily complicated. Something I found odd 1632 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:34.760 is that it's very much based on completion get a 1633 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:38.319 currency that you spend. If you get attacked and get hurt, 1634 01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:41.760 you spend the currency to essentially like heal yourself. But 1635 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:43.920 you want to have enough currency that you get a 1636 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:45.159 check mark at the end of the level, so you 1637 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.239 don't want to get too hurt. What bothered me about 1638 01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:51.600 it is is I want to complete all the boxes, 1639 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:55.279 so I want to get all the currency, and I 1640 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.439 want to get the crystal shards, and I want to 1641 01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:00.600 get whatever the secret thing is that they hide something 1642 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.640 in the level. But then the last one is time. 1643 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:08.600 And in a game where it's all about investigating and 1644 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.039 learning how to solve the puzzle and not taking too 1645 01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:14.600 much damage and finding all the secrets, it also wants 1646 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:16.840 me to do it in under two minutes and thirty seconds. 1647 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:21.199 So I'm never getting all the boxes ticked because I'm 1648 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.199 looking for all the secrets, which means each level is 1649 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:27.159 taking like seven or eight minutes and I'm totally blowing 1650 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:29.479 past the time. And maybe they want me to replay 1651 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:32.439 those levels, but I'm not doing that shit. So that 1652 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.439 was like something that bothered me about it, but it 1653 01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.399 is nice to go back and forth between Heavy Night 1654 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:44.199 and Skinny Little Goo solving puzzles. They're simple puzzles, but 1655 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.119 I don't know. It passes the time. I'm not mad 1656 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.359 about it, but I ain't fucking doing it in two 1657 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:52.479 minutes and thirty seconds. I don't know why they did that. 1658 01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:54.279 I don't know why they added that part to it. 1659 01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:55.880 But that's dross. 1660 01:26:57.239 --> 01:26:57.640 Is this? 1661 01:26:57.680 --> 01:26:59.039 Is this a first person game? 1662 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:01.079 Uh? 1663 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:03.039 No? You see them like pop down? 1664 01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:03.840 Huh? 1665 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.079 Because I mean I searched Dross on uh Steam and 1666 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:12.399 I got like a boomer shooter looking game that sounds 1667 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:14.560 nothing like you just described. So that's kind of interesting. 1668 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:16.359 There are two games called DROs. 1669 01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:19.800 That's impossible. It's I'll send you the link. 1670 01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:21.960 Did I did? I? Maybe I misspelled it? D r 1671 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:27.760 O S S d r O S. Oh the odds. 1672 01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:30.079 That there's two. This is like the second time that 1673 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.399 I'm telling you, like, be careful because these games are 1674 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:33.720 like so specific. 1675 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:36.520 Yep, Okay, I see the one you're talking about now 1676 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.960 that that matches more your description. 1677 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:43.000 I yeah, okay, that's so funny. Uh d r O S. Yeah, 1678 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:46.760 you're like a little guy and there's an eyeball like 1679 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.319 sticking out of you. That's the goo, and so the 1680 01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.079 goo is able to like go into pipes and go 1681 01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:57.199 into tiny spaces. But again, the goo can get killed 1682 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:00.760 very quickly. The only thing that doesn't get held quickly 1683 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:02.600 is the guy in the night, and he also has 1684 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.680 a sort so he can like attack bosses and stuff 1685 01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:08.119 like that, and eventually you get like two boss fight situations. 1686 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:11.680 I'll probably keep playing it. I don't think it's bad 1687 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.079 at all. I enjoyed like getting through the puzzles that 1688 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.000 I played so far. My only gripe with it is like, 1689 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.399 I think it's confusing that you would ask me to 1690 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:23.239 solve and find everything, but then also give me a 1691 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:25.800 time limit. It's like, well, not a time limit, but 1692 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:28.760 they reward you for getting through it in a very 1693 01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:30.840 short amount of time. And it's like, do you want 1694 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.640 me to find all the stuff? Make up your mind? 1695 01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:36.439 Do you mean to do it quickly? Or do you 1696 01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:40.079 want me to do it right? So you know that, 1697 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:45.960 uh you know that like, uh, what's it called? What 1698 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:47.960 is it? When it's two circles and they overlap a 1699 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:50.920 little bit and then there's any Okay, it's like that 1700 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:56.159 ven diagram. That's about uh Art and it's like do 1701 01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:58.039 you want it cheap? Do you want it quick? Or 1702 01:28:58.119 --> 01:28:58.920 do you want it good? 1703 01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:02.760 I'm talking about Yeah, that's that's the triangle, right, the 1704 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:03.640 production triangle. 1705 01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:08.399 It's a triangle. It's been diagram. No, it's it's a triangle. 1706 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:12.640 Yeah, because it's it's arguing with herself and that's. 1707 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.000 Cheap and good. You can only pick two? 1708 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.520 Yeah, you know it really sucks. Is I didn't know 1709 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:18.279 what the word for a Venn diagram is, but I 1710 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:21.760 know the word for a triangle, So I could have 1711 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:26.359 saved myself a lot. I could have saved myself a 1712 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:28.159 lot of hurt if I would have just gone with 1713 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:34.319 triangle from the beginning here. But yeah, so anyway, it's 1714 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:37.479 kind of like that. The game was like do it fast, 1715 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.600 complete it and don't get hurt too much, and it's 1716 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:42.520 like pick two. 1717 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:48.159 Well, speaking of time limits, did either of you ever 1718 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:49.760 play the original Dead Rising? 1719 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:50.159 Yeah? 1720 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:54.720 Yeah, you did love it because I'd got a preview 1721 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.039 of the remaster a couple of weeks ago last week. 1722 01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:00.720 But it's like all I've been thinking about love that 1723 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:02.399 original game. I think that is like one of the 1724 01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:07.039 most slept on classics of that generation, super rough around 1725 01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:11.359 the edges at the time, with that infamous time limit 1726 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:13.119 that I think a lot of. 1727 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.800 People didn't like, or maybe they did. I don't know. 1728 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:17.039 I don't think people liked it. 1729 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:18.760 I don't know. 1730 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:22.359 I honestly don't know. I think people who like critically 1731 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.800 people liked it, and people who were into that game 1732 01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:26.520 were into it. But I think people just bounced off 1733 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:27.720 they didn't like it. I don't even know if this 1734 01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.640 was an era where if people hated something they would 1735 01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:31.680 just like review vombit. 1736 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:34.199 Yeah, I don't think that was a thing. 1737 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.000 I'm so wea what have they done with the remasters? 1738 01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:39.079 Just strictly visual but they've kept everything? 1739 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:39.359 Yeah? 1740 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:41.479 Did they upgrade anything else or just visual? 1741 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:42.319 Yeah? 1742 01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.359 So, I mean I've only played like the first day 1743 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:48.239 and a half, I think, because that was that was 1744 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:48.600 all I was. 1745 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:49.640 Able to play for the preview. 1746 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:53.800 They it's basically a lot of quality of life changes 1747 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:58.399 plus better visuals. Quality of life includes like better mission tracking, 1748 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:01.039 a compass that works better. I don't know if you 1749 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:02.760 remember in the original there was just that arrow that 1750 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:05.680 kind of floated around and kind of didn't really help 1751 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.359 much because it was hard to always tell which way 1752 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:10.760 it was pointing, especially when it like sporadically tell you 1753 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:11.720 to you turn or whatever. 1754 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.079 The aiming is much better. 1755 01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.840 Like once again, I don't know how well you remember 1756 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:21.319 that original, but using firearms was almost kind of pointless 1757 01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:23.800 just because of how bad that aiming was and you 1758 01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:26.600 couldn't move it like took a page from ri E four, 1759 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.039 which makes sense at the time, whereas you aim and 1760 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:32.039 you just you plant your feet in the ground, don't 1761 01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:35.840 go anywhere, but in this you get to move. But man, 1762 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:40.039 I think that game holds up so well otherwise, like 1763 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.119 there are some things that are still kind of funky, 1764 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:48.520 Like pretty much every quest ends up being. 1765 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:49.319 A a. 1766 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:55.439 What's it called a mission where you take a person 1767 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.640 from point A to point B escort mission blanket on 1768 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.920 the way. And they they sucked so much in that 1769 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:07.119 original I remember, and this they're still there because they're 1770 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:10.680 so core to the game. But your companions are much 1771 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:13.319 better at fending for themselves for the most part. Obviously, 1772 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.079 every now and then there'll be someone who has like 1773 01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:17.159 trouble walking or whatever. 1774 01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:19.239 You have to hold their hand or have them on 1775 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:19.800 your shoulder. 1776 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:22.880 But yeah, I don't know, I'm playing it and It's 1777 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.680 like man, game design at that time was so much 1778 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:30.039 more interesting. I feel like because a lot of these 1779 01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:32.439 like edges hadn't been sought off, it hadn't been like 1780 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.359 focus tested where it's like, yeah, we're gonna make every 1781 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:37.800 weapon in this every item in this mall a weapon, 1782 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.239 even though like half of them suck and they serve 1783 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:42.520 no purpose, Like you can throw CDs at zombies but 1784 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:48.239 it doesn't do anything. And then like they also like, 1785 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:50.960 like the amount of zombies they fit on screen is 1786 01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:53.279 still kind of impressive, and that was that time where 1787 01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:55.720 like they're like, yeah, with the power of the Xbox 1788 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.800 through sixty, we can fit five hundred zombies on screen. 1789 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.000 And now they're like, yeah, the power of these consoles now, 1790 01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:04.159 like the lighting looks a little better. And I'm like, 1791 01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:06.319 I know, I want the days where it's just like 1792 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:08.399 they cram as many zombies as the camp. But anyway, 1793 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:13.199 all that to say, I played the preview about a 1794 01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:16.479 week and a half ago or so, and I can't 1795 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:19.640 wait to play the rest of it because game holds 1796 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:21.239 up games of classic Oh. 1797 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:23.359 Cool, I love that game. I think that was like 1798 01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:25.520 around when did that game come out? 1799 01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:27.520 Originally it was two thousand and eight or two thousand 1800 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:29.920 and seven, six six, it was the care. 1801 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:39.399 Of Bully Oblivion. Yeah, a Company of Heroes half or 1802 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:43.399 Twilight Princess. Was that Twilet Princess on GameCube or the Wii? 1803 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:46.319 I think they came out. It was the same time, 1804 01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:49.640 right on both, but it was twenty you know, it 1805 01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:51.960 was two. It was when the Wii came out two 1806 01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:52.640 thousand and seven. 1807 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.199 I thought it came out on GameCube first and then 1808 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:56.600 it came out on the Wii right after. 1809 01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:00.439 I think it was reverse okay, but. 1810 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.039 Yeah, either way, Dead Rising was two thousand and six. 1811 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:09.239 What a phenomenal game. I love that the imagery on 1812 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.479 the Steam page is there's a screenshot of hitting a 1813 01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:15.279 zombie with a teddy Bear, which is so iconic to 1814 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.439 this original game because for anyone who did not play 1815 01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:22.199 the original game, you get to basically make anything a weapon, 1816 01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:28.600 a bat, a teddy bear, a hat. There's like lego 1817 01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:30.199 heads that you can put on them. 1818 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:32.119 Slam on zombie heads. 1819 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:35.319 It is silly. It is a silly game, and it 1820 01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:38.039 does it really well. There's an enemy, there's like a 1821 01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:41.159 boss fight that's like a clown that's so crazy, with 1822 01:34:41.319 --> 01:34:47.439 like just a wild ride of a game. And I 1823 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.079 think I'm really looking forward to an excuse to be 1824 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.079 in It's a mall, right, like to be in like 1825 01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:58.600 a mall and just fuck around hours. Yeah, very George Romero, 1826 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:03.479 yea in this one? Can you make smoothies? Or is 1827 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:04.520 that the next one? 1828 01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:07.239 Yep, you can make smoothies. You can you take two 1829 01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:10.840 ingredients and make a smoothie. And some make you run fast, 1830 01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.520 and it just it looks stupid as hell because you 1831 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.199 don't actually sprint. You're just still walking really fast, but 1832 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.800 you zip around the map. There's just there's a charm 1833 01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:21.119 to this this game that I'd like. I felt like 1834 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.000 they just kind of slowly kind of got rid of 1835 01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:25.439 by the time BE four came around. 1836 01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.039 Yeah, but one is like it's so. 1837 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:33.479 It's so bizarre, like that game would never get made today. 1838 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:35.520 Yeah right, I mean I guess it kind of is 1839 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:37.359 getting remade, but still. 1840 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:43.439 Yeah, it's got personality and like, actually it's doing something different. Yeah. 1841 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:45.479 I want to play that remaster for sure. 1842 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:48.000 Can't wait for that. That's really exciting. I'm glad that 1843 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:50.760 you got to play that. That's such a cool experience 1844 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:53.039 and memory for me playing that game for the first time, 1845 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:56.680 and you know, for its time, I think it was 1846 01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:59.560 really advanced. I think it was doing things that a 1847 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:01.399 lot of other games weren't doing. A lot of other 1848 01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:05.800 games were very much keeping you on a path, and 1849 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:10.279 this game was like whatever, Like this entire mall is 1850 01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.520 a playpen for you, and you can pick up anything 1851 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.640 and use it and throw it and hurl it and 1852 01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:20.399 whatever you really want to do, and then there's just 1853 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:24.279 masses of zombies to kill. I think with updated graphics, 1854 01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:27.279 it's going to be really fun to play. I think 1855 01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:29.159 streamers are going to love this. I think gamers are 1856 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:31.239 going to love coming back to this or just playing 1857 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:35.279 this for the first time. So good idea to make 1858 01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.520 to remaster it and looking forward to playing it. 1859 01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:41.039 Yeah, I'm excited to play the rest. 1860 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.079 I also like, God, Frank West is such a stupid character. 1861 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:47.680 I love him so much, like he and I feel 1862 01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:49.439 like because they brought him back and forth and he 1863 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.039 was like I don't know, they like once again like 1864 01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:54.560 kind of smoothed all the edges. They made him like 1865 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:57.479 handsome and like and like an action hero. And in 1866 01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:00.359 the original he's just kind of he's kind of like 1867 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:03.880 a skeazy journalist who has got a weird looking face 1868 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:07.720 and like super broad shoulders, and they just it's just 1869 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:08.680 it's something else. 1870 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:09.920 It's I can't wait. 1871 01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:13.760 To play More Cool looking forward to it. Do you 1872 01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:14.720 guys want to do emails? 1873 01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:16.520 Yeah? 1874 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.319 Yeah, okay. As usual, you can write into fires Kit 1875 01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:22.960 cast at gmail dot com for questions for the show. 1876 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:25.279 Get more in. We're getting through a bunch of the 1877 01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:29.199 recent batch of influx of emails that we got recently, 1878 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:30.880 so give us another batch to get through. 1879 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:32.720 And no one's drawn my best friend. 1880 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:35.760 Oh yeah, no one sent in the friend that Mary 1881 01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:38.600 created from episode what eighty seven eighty six? I think 1882 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:41.720 go back and listen to that and send one in. 1883 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:47.920 I want to More's stomach, Timtry's chest, my hair, I 1884 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.439 think Lucy's neck, Lucy's neck. Yeah, it's not gonna make 1885 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:53.600 any sense unless you listen, so go back and draw that. 1886 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:57.439 We got two emails tonight, Mary, do you want to 1887 01:37:57.479 --> 01:37:59.960 read this? First one from Alex from Australia. 1888 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:06.000 Yeah, oh Australia, Hello escapers. Dan has told us all 1889 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:09.199 many times how cheap his dad is and how proud 1890 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:12.720 of that Paul is. But is there anything you're proudly 1891 01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:16.279 cheap about? Personally? I use a safety razor to shave 1892 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:18.600 my head and the cost of that per year is 1893 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:22.399 barely north of five dollars, and given it's the cleanest, 1894 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:25.640 smoothest shave you can get, I genuinely feel like I'm 1895 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:29.039 cheating someone out of something. Love the show Alex and 1896 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:32.439 Bendigo Australia. It's a really good email because I feel 1897 01:38:32.479 --> 01:38:35.680 like even people who like to spend money, there's something 1898 01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:39.199 that you're like, I am saving so many dollars. This 1899 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:41.920 is a good question. I got a noodle on it 1900 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:47.640 for a second. Underwear just don't wear it. 1901 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:50.399 No, he's just been wearing the same pace since he 1902 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:51.119 was twelve. 1903 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:56.279 Yeah, I've been going commando for years looking Calvin Klein 1904 01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:57.560 is always mad at me. 1905 01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.880 But I always don't know what's worse of that or yeah, 1906 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:01.640 we're in the same pair of underway. 1907 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:03.640 I just resell the pair I've had. 1908 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:05.720 I bleach it now. 1909 01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:07.800 I'm one of those people who like waits till like 1910 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:09.680 the last possible minute to get new underwear, and then 1911 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:12.239 I buy like thirty new pairs and then it lasts 1912 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:13.800 another like six years. 1913 01:39:15.279 --> 01:39:16.600 That's a weird one. 1914 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:22.680 What else I'm proudly I feel like I'm I'm surprisingly 1915 01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:26.199 cheap about a lot of things unless they're tech related, right, 1916 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:30.000 Like I bought like a roadcaster pro so I can 1917 01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:33.960 you know, do sound effects like that? Which was not cheap? 1918 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:36.399 But this sm seven b mic. But other than that, 1919 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:39.720 I try not to spend money on much else. Besides 1920 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:43.279 that cheap beer usually yea, but the thing is too 1921 01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:47.000 in San Francisco, like even cheap stuff is usually fucking expensive. 1922 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:51.880 So yeah, I despite my love of good wine, I 1923 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:54.920 actually do not spend much money on beer at all. 1924 01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:58.039 When I get beer, I actually I'm not a verse 1925 01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:04.560 to slamming some peace ebes. I like PBR. I wouldn't 1926 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.560 say it's like the most delicious thing I drink, but 1927 01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:09.600 I'm very up for there's something like the Bat Blue 1928 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:11.600 and La bat Blue Light. Especially the latter are the 1929 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:14.159 best beer's ever made. I don't know how anybody would 1930 01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:18.199 top them, So why would I spend more than thirteen 1931 01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:19.640 dollars on a six pack of beer? 1932 01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:22.880 I think I can be cheap when it comes to 1933 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:27.000 food in general. I hate food waste, and I'm the 1934 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:30.840 kind of person that when I have six different random 1935 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.680 bits and bobs in my fridge, I will be like well, 1936 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.840 I'm making the weirdest curry ever, and I will just 1937 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.800 make sure that I use every part of it because 1938 01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:42.880 I don't want to waste it, and I paid for it, 1939 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.119 and so I feel cheap about it. But I'm also 1940 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.479 like very cheap about my produce the sense that, like, 1941 01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.359 if green beans are on sale, we're having green beans, 1942 01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:53.119 even if I did not plan for it, even if 1943 01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:55.760 there's no reason to do it. I buy what's on 1944 01:40:55.840 --> 01:41:00.439 sale at the grocery store. I it's ingrain in me. 1945 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:02.439 I think, maybe like from when I was a kid 1946 01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:05.600 and I went with my mother. But like, if there's 1947 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:09.239 a bunch of different burger buns, I get the one 1948 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:12.399 that's cheap and on sale. That's what I do. I 1949 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:15.800 don't care if I don't have a brand of bagels 1950 01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:19.119 that I have to have, I buy the one that's cheap. 1951 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:20.640 It's fine. 1952 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:22.760 I like to push that too far sometimes where I 1953 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.680 see something at the grocery store is on sale, Like 1954 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:32.359 I had no intention of eating fucking uh like mangoes 1955 01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:34.680 that week, but they're on sale, so I'm saving money 1956 01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.159 if I get them, like I do out of mind. 1957 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:38.800 You can't afford not to get mangoes. 1958 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:42.319 Yeah, I'm saving four dollars if I buy mangoes compared 1959 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:44.279 to the usual zero that I usually buy. 1960 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:46.279 Uh. 1961 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:49.800 Speaking of which, like getting the sales is, I've just 1962 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:54.279 bought a frickin' freezer. This is something I think adults 1963 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:56.840 do in their adult life, but I finally purchased a 1964 01:41:56.880 --> 01:42:00.560 freezer for my basement so that when meat is on sale, 1965 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:02.520 I can buy it in bulk and keep it in 1966 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.039 a freezer, and then I can get out my fucking 1967 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:09.279 cheap ass two dollars chicken that I bought on super 1968 01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:12.840 sale in bulk. I'm also like probably gonna get a 1969 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.800 Costco subscription because now that I have this freezer, I 1970 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:20.840 can buy Hamburger patties in bulk and get a really 1971 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.760 good deal on Hamburger patties. Like It's just it's always 1972 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.079 been a part of me, and I've always been limited 1973 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:32.840 by my freezer capacity and not anymore. But that purchase 1974 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:37.359 is very strictly cheap related, because it's about buying cheap 1975 01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:38.359 meat in bulk. 1976 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:42.720 Yeah, Meat's not something I'm I skimp on. I don't 1977 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:43.359 want to buy. 1978 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:48.920 Cheape I'm a free I will even uh you know, 1979 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.439 like where they'll they'll put meat on super sale because 1980 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:53.279 it's like, hey, you got to eat this, like probably 1981 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:55.319 in the next two days. I buy it and then 1982 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:56.439 I'm just like, I'll eat it tonight. 1983 01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:00.960 Yeah. I like if I see the like red meat, 1984 01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:03.279 is like, hey, this is on sale and you know, 1985 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.720 it looks fine, and then I open I smell it, 1986 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:09.760 it's fine, I eat it. Chicken, I'm much warrier about 1987 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:10.880 I'm risky. 1988 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:13.600 I'm risky with chicken too, but I won't eat if 1989 01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.600 it's gone bad. But like if it's on sale and 1990 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:17.800 they're like, you know why it's on sale and like whatever, 1991 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:20.000 I'll just eat it immediately. I'll just eat it as 1992 01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:21.039 soon as possible. 1993 01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:26.920 Yeah. I there's like I really really like and I'm 1994 01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:31.359 not really proudly cheap or with coffee. In fact, I 1995 01:43:31.960 --> 01:43:36.079 really value like good coffee. Most of the time. On 1996 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:40.119 Saturday mornings, my neighborhood has a farmer's market, and I've 1997 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:43.880 started getting my coffee from there because this local company 1998 01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:45.760 brings their coffee, so I get it from there if 1999 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:50.479 I can. However, I'm definitely not my palate for coffee. 2000 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:53.279 As much as I love it is not that discerning. 2001 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.279 So if I go to as long as I'm getting 2002 01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:57.760 whole bean so I can grind it here. That's my 2003 01:43:57.840 --> 01:43:59.640 only nitpick, Like I want to be grinding it here. 2004 01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:02.640 It takes way fresher when you do it yourself. I'll 2005 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.079 get fucking dunkin Donuts if it's on sale. I love 2006 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:08.640 dunkin Donuts coffee. I am pretty proud of Dunkin Donuts. 2007 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.760 And that's a Northeast thing I think it is. But 2008 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:17.960 Starbucks is dogshit dunkin Donuts. I'm proudly cheap about that 2009 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:19.640 that I get. Actually, I am pretty proud of that. 2010 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:21.840 But otherwise I'll just go for the on sale coffee. 2011 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:25.119 Like if it's like seven dollars for the U, the 2012 01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.600 hole beans perfect, They'll last me a week. 2013 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:33.520 I like good coffee. That's where I that's where I break. 2014 01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:36.399 I like to have a good cup of coffee. But 2015 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:38.319 like I said, like there's certain things I just don't 2016 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:40.680 think I can tell the taste difference with, you know, 2017 01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:46.119 like like bread, I usually just buy whatever is cheapest. 2018 01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:49.239 Or pasta, you know, like the box pasta. 2019 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.079 Yeah that's like eighty five cents or whatever. 2020 01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:53.960 And yeah, the cheapest. 2021 01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:56.640 Fucking pasta shells you've ever seen in your life. I 2022 01:44:56.720 --> 01:45:00.159 will buy that shit. It will be Kroger brand. I 2023 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.439 do not care. It's fine. I'm putting sauce on it. 2024 01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:07.119 Like, I don't know why you'd get pasta that's expensed, 2025 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.560 like unless you're a restaurant, of course, but like at 2026 01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:11.600 the store now, you're just gonna get the cheapest pasta 2027 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:11.960 you can't. 2028 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:16.439 Yeah, this is sort of a roundabout way to answer 2029 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.359 the question. I've actually been trying to diy more foods, 2030 01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:23.119 and I don't mean cooking. I cook a lot. I've 2031 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:25.359 been trying to make my own Like tonight, for instance, 2032 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.840 for dinner I made, I had leftover. No, I don't 2033 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.239 pickle things yet I will at some point. I'm sure 2034 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:35.439 I had leftover, like a half of a baguette that 2035 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:37.560 we weren't going to eat and it was going stale. 2036 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:40.920 So I was like, oh, I'll make my own creutontons. 2037 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:46.359 I've been doing that. Yes yesterday I made what may 2038 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.680 have been the best meal I've made, if not in 2039 01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:51.760 my life then in a very long time. The farmer's 2040 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:54.039 market again where we have started trying to get most 2041 01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:56.680 of our groceries because they're all literal people from around here. 2042 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:59.319 It's also just cheaper than kings, which if you live 2043 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:01.159 in New Jersey or around here, you know, kings can 2044 01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:05.560 get stupid expensive. In the produce we got like this 2045 01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:08.720 Chilean sea bass. I was trying to create the dish 2046 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:10.319 from my wedding. I don't know if you guys ordered that. 2047 01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:14.279 It was like my favorite thing ever, Yeah, it was. 2048 01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:18.359 So I made miso glaze Chilean sea bass on bosmadi rice, 2049 01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:24.560 and I made using that same baguette before it went stell, 2050 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:29.880 I made my own like parmaganado. I think it's called. 2051 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:33.279 It's the breadcrumbs that you'll get on pasta to add texture, 2052 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:37.319 like the crunchy texture to like angel hair or any 2053 01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:39.600 kind of pasta, I guess. And I put that on 2054 01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:43.520 the fish with and I just cooked down the marinade 2055 01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:46.800 from the fish kind of to a reduction bosmadi rice. 2056 01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:49.279 I looked up how to like make it like that 2057 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:51.760 perfect sticky texture. You do one and a half cups 2058 01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:58.760 water to every one cup rice, and it turned out incredible. 2059 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:03.840 But it, like to your point, Mary, of not wasting anything, 2060 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:05.560 I'm kind of proud. It's like, oh, okay, so now 2061 01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:07.600 I know what to do with like stale bread now 2062 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:10.119 or I know what to do so I don't waste 2063 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:12.039 all of that marinade. And I know this is these 2064 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:16.159 are not these are not like the newest revelations ever. 2065 01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:17.680 But it's like I'm definitely getting to a point where 2066 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:22.880 I'm more confident, like uh, making more use getting a 2067 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:25.600 lot out of one ingredient as opposed to just dumping 2068 01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.880 all that marinade down the sink. Once it's done, the 2069 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:29.079 fish is done, sitting in it over there. 2070 01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:32.159 That's probably what Paul does too, you know, because he's 2071 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:34.600 like known for being really cheap, and I bet you he. 2072 01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:40.600 Like makes marinate. It makes he doesn't want to make 2073 01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.840 the mirror the sweet wine vinegar. Yeah, it's a very 2074 01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:48.159 Paul vibe I'm channeling lately. 2075 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:52.640 That's a good one. I think. The last thing I'll 2076 01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:56.079 say is like, I also am a sucker for deals 2077 01:47:56.760 --> 01:48:00.760 when it comes to eating out. So usually when I 2078 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:04.199 go out to eat, I am paying attention to sales 2079 01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:07.479 and deals that restaurants do. And one of my favorite 2080 01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:09.760 things that I like to do is there's a restaurant 2081 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.960 that I like. It's just a cafe and it has 2082 01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:16.800 avocado toast and coffee, and on one day of the week, 2083 01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:19.039 you can get avocado toast a little cheaper, and it's 2084 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.960 two pieces of bread with avocado on it. So if 2085 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:24.760 me and my partner go and we have two coffees 2086 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:29.319 with one avocado toast that we split, it's a seven 2087 01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:35.760 dollar breakfast, baby damn with tip. You can't get a 2088 01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:38.840 seven dollar breakfast in the fucking city anymore. That's crazy. 2089 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:39.880 That's crazy. 2090 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:43.319 Can't get that anywhere, I'm telling you, Yeah, that's That's 2091 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:49.760 another thing. I'm very proudly cheap about diner food, Like 2092 01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:54.319 I fucking love diner that's I would. I would pay 2093 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:56.039 a lot of money for diner food because I just 2094 01:48:57.079 --> 01:48:58.880 a good diner is like one of the best things 2095 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:01.960 in the world. It's up there with dive bars in 2096 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:05.840 terms of like just pure things that I never want 2097 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:07.960 to lose. But it's usually not too expensive. Like when 2098 01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:10.119 I go back to Syracuse when I'm visiting family, there's 2099 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:11.880 a couple of diners that I try to hit up 2100 01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:15.000 all the time, and they have shitty coffee most of 2101 01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:16.680 the time, and I like. 2102 01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.760 Shitty diner coffee that I accept. I don't think that 2103 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:23.560 that is comparable to like making yourself a sad cup 2104 01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:27.000 of folgers, like going to a diner and having just 2105 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:29.000 diner coffee. 2106 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:29.720 A happy cup of Folgers. 2107 01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:32.079 Yeah, that's right, it was made with love. 2108 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:32.880 Bye. 2109 01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:34.800 Yeah, but Donda, I. 2110 01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:37.119 Was gonna say, I hate paying full price for clothes, 2111 01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:40.479 like I That's what I'm always looking for sales on 2112 01:49:40.600 --> 01:49:43.159 like I just ordered the only thing the only exceptional 2113 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:46.439 make is usually like Levi's because I have a size 2114 01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:49.000 and style that fits and I just buy that every 2115 01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:51.520 time one wears out, which, to be fair, takes a while. 2116 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:54.079 But Levi's just had a big sale where they were 2117 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:56.359 like selling jeans for twenty dollars and I was like, yep, 2118 01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:00.479 this is my this is my moment, yeah, closer, big one. 2119 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:02.359 A lot of the shirts I wear are free. 2120 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:06.680 I got them from events or other stuff, except concert shirts. 2121 01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:09.600 Sometimes I'll splurge on a concert shirt, but those that 2122 01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:12.119 don't even wear a whole lot because I don't want 2123 01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:14.119 to ruin them, which is stupid, but you know. 2124 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:21.560 Yeah, there's definitely there's definitely things as as people know 2125 01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:25.439 that I like don't skimp on. But I'm I'm just 2126 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.880 as likely there's certain things I really don't care to 2127 01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:30.840 spend money, and I'm the same way, like I'll go 2128 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:33.119 on the same three websites to say, see what they 2129 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.560 have on style clothes wise, it was. 2130 01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:39.640 Say functional stuff like jackets and sweatshirts, mostly jackets like 2131 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:41.600 that I'm willing to spend a little more on because 2132 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.960 I actually want a jacket to work well. 2133 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:45.079 You know, suits, etc. 2134 01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:47.880 Like things you need to Yeah, that's sort of stuff 2135 01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:49.439 that's like has more of a purpose. 2136 01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:52.319 But like there's like things that should be expensive because 2137 01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:54.920 the labor involved with making like a good version of it. 2138 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:58.039 Like I don't want to be paying just like one 2139 01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:00.720 hundred dollars for a suit that I need to be 2140 01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.399 wearing to weddings and potentially funerals and whatnot. Like I 2141 01:51:03.439 --> 01:51:06.199 don't that's in that middle ground where it's like I 2142 01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:10.279 might as well splurge because otherwise I'm paying, like I'm 2143 01:51:10.279 --> 01:51:12.960 going to get what I pay for. But yeah, anything 2144 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.640 that's like it can be under fifty dollars. I don't 2145 01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:19.079 mind going as low as I possibly. 2146 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:22.199 Can, I will say kind of in response to this 2147 01:51:22.439 --> 01:51:25.399 email right here, I spend a lot of money on haircuts. 2148 01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:29.399 I still go to the same place, Mike that the 2149 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:33.600 people's in on Polk Street, and I think when I 2150 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:35.800 first started going there, around the same time you went 2151 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:36.199 there first. 2152 01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:38.119 You told me about it. Haircuts are forty dollars. 2153 01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:42.079 Now they're like sixty five seventy dollars and that's been 2154 01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:46.960 what six years or so. Yeah, and I what am 2155 01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:48.840 I going to do? You know, like I don't want 2156 01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:50.079 to change my heart? 2157 01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:53.079 Yeah, that's a kind of place where they give you 2158 01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:53.520 a drink. 2159 01:51:54.279 --> 01:51:54.680 They do. 2160 01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:58.239 And I abuse that because it's free, because they can't 2161 01:51:58.279 --> 01:51:59.840 actually you can't actually like they can't. 2162 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:04.600 Well their facts are alcohol, right, Yeah, but I'm sure 2163 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:07.920 they're factoring the price of the haircuts into like the 2164 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:09.880 the stocking of alcohol and whatnot. 2165 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:12.520 Yeah, I don't, well, they're averaging it and they're assuming 2166 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:14.439 you're not going to ask for four beer. 2167 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:17.439 Yeah, that's when you get them. It's like, that's how 2168 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:19.560 you get your sixty five dollars worth of a haircut, 2169 01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:22.520 is you have slam a sixer right before you get it. 2170 01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:22.840 Cheer. 2171 01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:25.479 I check in and I walk away from the fridge 2172 01:52:25.479 --> 01:52:26.239 with just six. 2173 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:29.119 Beerd just even go back to the office. 2174 01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:31.640 Oh yeah, sorry, I got my hair cut last week. 2175 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:32.119 I'm just. 2176 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:35.520 I'll just do I'll just do a quick trim. Cindy. 2177 01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:38.159 She does trims like just one side, you're like, okay, 2178 01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:47.399 that's good and beer. Yeah, yeah, there's I also don't 2179 01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:49.319 spend much money on razors, but I also don't like 2180 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.520 I have an electric razor about a while ago, so 2181 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:54.600 I don't really shave with other razors. I'm just mentioning, 2182 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:58.479 like what Alex and Australia said. Thank you Alex for 2183 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:01.000 writing it. Jake, do you want to read this one 2184 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:03.199 from Josh? 2185 01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:05.520 I'll try. I can't read out loud, but we'll see 2186 01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:05.960 how this goes. 2187 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:06.600 Are you serious? 2188 01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:10.239 I'm really bad at it, so bear with me. I'm 2189 01:53:10.279 --> 01:53:12.960 writing to you for career advice. As devastating as it 2190 01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:15.000 was to see Game Informer go, it was great to 2191 01:53:15.079 --> 01:53:18.079 hear you reminisce about your experiences at the company and 2192 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:21.079 talk about the early days of your careers in games media. 2193 01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:22.880 I'm twenty three years old from. 2194 01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:25.600 Maine who has worked in theater for the last couple 2195 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:28.680 of years. As someone with the intention to pivot into filmmaking, 2196 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:30.600 I got to ask, how do you find the courage 2197 01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:33.640 to make the big first move. It's amazing and terrifying 2198 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:36.199 to hear stories of people my age taking big risk 2199 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:40.159 and getting great gig gigs in the media industry. What 2200 01:53:40.199 --> 01:53:45.119 advice would you offer to my cohort of ambitious upstarts. 2201 01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:47.119 Thank you for the wisdom, josh. 2202 01:53:47.039 --> 01:53:50.239 Oh I think that's really sweet. This is a good question. 2203 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:54.239 And I actually I just had a call with a 2204 01:53:54.560 --> 01:54:00.600 nephew of mine who's also early twenties, graduated from film school. 2205 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:05.239 He is in the Buffalo area, and we had this 2206 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:07.439 call about like what he wants to do, and he 2207 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:11.720 would like to get into film and asked me for 2208 01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:14.760 some starting tips and tricks of like what I did 2209 01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:18.800 when I graduated from a video production background to get 2210 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:23.720 my start, And the advice I gave him was that 2211 01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:27.840 you should be joining groups and social clubs and events 2212 01:54:27.960 --> 01:54:30.720 that will get you around other like minded people that 2213 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:34.479 are passionate about film and video because that is where 2214 01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:38.600 your job will come from. It is very unlikely that 2215 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.800 sending out your resume a thousand times, no matter how 2216 01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:44.520 much you fine tune it, is going to get you 2217 01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.239 the gig that you're actually looking for. What is more 2218 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:51.079 likely to get you that gig is going and doing 2219 01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:54.640 a forty eight hour game jam with other people who 2220 01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:58.640 are passionate about film, and one of them also knows 2221 01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:03.479 somebody who's interested and works in the industry, or you 2222 01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:07.560 join a group that meets once a month and has 2223 01:55:07.640 --> 01:55:10.439 coffee and talks about the projects that they're working on. 2224 01:55:11.079 --> 01:55:15.880 Join clubs, join social groups, find other people that are 2225 01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:18.119 really passionate about what you do, and go do it 2226 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:21.399 with them. I don't care if it's for free. I 2227 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:25.319 am a subscriber of being able to just do it 2228 01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:28.359 even if it doesn't pay anything in the beginning, just 2229 01:55:28.399 --> 01:55:31.279 to get your hands dirty, just to get your feet wet, 2230 01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:35.920 just to get in there. My first job, like legitimate job, 2231 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:40.960 because I was a waitress after I graduated college for 2232 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:45.560 several years. My first job job was an unpaid internship 2233 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:49.159 at a film company. And I got the contact by 2234 01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:53.920 going to film groups and film clubs in Ohio. That's 2235 01:55:53.960 --> 01:55:56.239 how I got it. And I said, I will answer 2236 01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:59.359 your calls, I will answer the door. I will show 2237 01:55:59.439 --> 01:56:01.560 up every day, and you don't have to pay me. 2238 01:56:01.720 --> 01:56:04.359 And they were like fine, And that's how I got 2239 01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:09.520 my in. Obviously, like there's a long road, and I 2240 01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:12.199 wish that I could have just gotten a paid gig immediately, 2241 01:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.279 But the truth is is that me doing it for 2242 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:17.760 freeze how I got my foot in the door. And 2243 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:20.760 so I worked for a film company from nine am 2244 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:24.000 to four pm every day, and then I went from 2245 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:31.159 my free paid intern gig to my paid waitressing job 2246 01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:34.479 from five until like nine or ten, and so I 2247 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:38.439 essentially just worked double shifts for like six months. And 2248 01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:41.680 after six months or eight months or something like that, 2249 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:44.000 they were like, we're gonna start paying you. And I 2250 01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:48.359 still did the uh waitressing job because I needed the money, 2251 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.520 and so I kind of just kept both for a 2252 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:57.439 while until I was able to pivot those resume builders 2253 01:56:57.439 --> 01:57:01.279 into a job in games media. So, like I do 2254 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.800 think it requires being hungry, especially and it's in a 2255 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:09.600 creative industry because I think they're very competitive because they're 2256 01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:12.880 fun and beloved. So if it's something you're really passionate about, 2257 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.800 I would say, like, have some grit and be willing 2258 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:22.079 to do whatever job is offered to you. Not any job, 2259 01:57:22.119 --> 01:57:24.359 but like a lot of them, for a little bit 2260 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:26.680 of pay or even no pay, just to meet the 2261 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:29.840 right people and get in the right circles. That's my 2262 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:31.760 genuine advice to get started. 2263 01:57:34.079 --> 01:57:42.079 Yeah, I'm very much bearing in mind like if not 2264 01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:46.199 everybody can make huge changes right away, I think it 2265 01:57:46.279 --> 01:57:49.479 might help. It will help to have a plan, Like Josh, 2266 01:57:49.479 --> 01:57:53.199 you were saying that you've been working in theater, but 2267 01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:58.079 you want to transition into filmmaking. Yeah, finding the courage 2268 01:57:58.119 --> 01:57:59.520 is one thing, but like if you know what you 2269 01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:02.760 want to do, and like the courage I'd find for 2270 01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:04.600 most people who are really inspired to make a change 2271 01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:06.279 is not the hard part to come by. It's like 2272 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:11.479 if you can make some sort of a plan to 2273 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:13.920 to Like I don't want to say mitigate risk and 2274 01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:17.079 just completely like bail on your dream if like there 2275 01:58:17.159 --> 01:58:19.239 is any semblance of risk, because I think there's always 2276 01:58:19.239 --> 01:58:21.319 a semblance of risk and nerves anytime you make a 2277 01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:25.880 big change. I think having some sort of plan like 2278 01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:29.920 foundation before you launch wholeheartedly into something like Mary was saying, 2279 01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:33.399 I think if you can have some sort of structure 2280 01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:36.600 where you're still working in theater and making like decent money, 2281 01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.800 but you're also like spending some social time and free 2282 01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:44.319 time getting into these circles and why filmmaking for Addy 2283 01:58:44.319 --> 01:58:48.159 and slip there like filmmaking and around people who want 2284 01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:51.439 to make film, and then maybe the opportunities will pop 2285 01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:54.720 up there as opposed to just being like quitting your 2286 01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:57.079 job one day and being like, you know what I'm done. 2287 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:01.079 I'm going to go to film school. I'm gonna pay 2288 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:04.560 ten thousand dollars to do so, I'm going all in. 2289 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:08.560 That can work for some people that have certain like 2290 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:12.720 safety nets, et cetera. And like I've made some in retrospect, 2291 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:16.600 I've made some like pretty drastic changes. I made some 2292 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:18.880 pretty I took some pretty drastic chances to get into 2293 01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:21.840 games media, and I was I worked hard, but I 2294 01:59:21.880 --> 01:59:23.760 was also just lucky enough and in the right rooms 2295 01:59:23.800 --> 01:59:26.640 and met the right people where it all worked out. 2296 01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:30.439 But I would say if you can like keep keep 2297 01:59:30.520 --> 01:59:32.760 like a foot in in the you know, like this 2298 01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:38.119 more stable side of things, if you've established yourself in 2299 01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:41.920 one industry but while you're kind of phasing over into 2300 01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:44.600 the next, I think that'll make things a lot less hectic. 2301 01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:50.079 And I say that as someone who just like the 2302 01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:52.039 last few years of course, like when I left at 2303 01:59:52.119 --> 01:59:55.319 Games Editorial that I was very much like, all right, 2304 01:59:55.479 --> 01:59:56.680 I'm not at a point in my life where I 2305 01:59:56.680 --> 01:59:59.840 should just like ditch everything on this side of the fence, 2306 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:02.760 jump over and then see kind of what's going on 2307 02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:06.680 Before I really have a plan, you know, there's always 2308 02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:08.239 going to be some risk, so I guess it's just 2309 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:12.640 like you know, approach it. If you're the kind of 2310 02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:15.720 person who needs like some structure and like planning ahead 2311 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.039 of time, like I usually am. I've found that that 2312 02:00:18.119 --> 02:00:21.199 has helped to like I'm not like a two year, 2313 02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:23.319 five year plan kind of person, but I have found 2314 02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:25.439 that it helps to write like a long term to 2315 02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:29.960 do list, Like like when I was leaving games, editorial 2316 02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:32.359 was and I still work in games, and like my 2317 02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:35.720 you know, my editorial skills have translated. So this isn't 2318 02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:39.439 completely but it sounds like theater into filmmaking would be 2319 02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:43.640 something similar. Like it's not completely you know, they're adjacent industries. 2320 02:00:43.720 --> 02:00:46.720 It's like my long term plan, this is hypothetical. It's like, 2321 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:50.079 all right, well, going to keep doing what I've been 2322 02:00:50.119 --> 02:00:52.680 doing for the past twelve years for a while. But 2323 02:00:52.760 --> 02:00:54.920 in the meantime, I'm also going to be like, you know, 2324 02:00:55.000 --> 02:00:57.119 seeing so and so as often as I can at 2325 02:00:57.119 --> 02:01:00.960 these trade shows. I'm going to be you know, making 2326 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:04.159 inroads like with different people on different whether social media 2327 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:05.960 or LinkedIn or whatever, and then kind of just get 2328 02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:07.800 a viable what's going on over there, and then you know, 2329 02:01:07.840 --> 02:01:09.600 be asking the right questions from these people. I think 2330 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:12.640 it's just a matter of like I think there's this 2331 02:01:12.720 --> 02:01:17.640 like romantic idea of dropping everything and then like risking everything, 2332 02:01:17.680 --> 02:01:20.000 and Mary and I have talked about how that has 2333 02:01:21.680 --> 02:01:24.239 has worked for us. But again, at this point in 2334 02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:26.159 my life, with like what I know now, if I, 2335 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:30.760 like my twenty two year old self was about to 2336 02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:32.880 do that, I'd be like, you're fucking stupid. Don't do 2337 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:35.039 things like that. It just happened to work out for me, 2338 02:01:35.159 --> 02:01:37.319 like if you're passionate about something and no one's going 2339 02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:39.319 to stop you from making that jump. But I do 2340 02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:43.279 think it's like it pays to have a stable foundation. 2341 02:01:43.439 --> 02:01:45.760 I think it'll also just help your personally speaking, I 2342 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:48.199 think it'll help your mental health to not have every 2343 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:52.079 single thing in your life riding on this change. That's 2344 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:52.920 my two cents. 2345 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:55.680 At least. 2346 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:58.720 Both of you guys had really good advice. I think, uh, 2347 02:01:59.359 --> 02:02:02.840 both of those really resonate. I think particularly like finding 2348 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:05.720 a group of people who are also interested in filmmaking 2349 02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:08.920 or whatever your passions are are super important because that 2350 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:13.399 will mobilize you, that will encourage you, that will that 2351 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:18.239 will drive you. I also think, like with filmmaking in particular, 2352 02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:23.560 I wouldn't say it's gotten easier, but I do think 2353 02:02:23.720 --> 02:02:26.039 the tools are like right there in front of you. 2354 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:29.319 And especially if you're if you've worked in theater, you 2355 02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:33.439 probably know actors. Like I just I don't know exactly 2356 02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:35.680 what you want to do in filmmaking, but I just write, 2357 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:39.680 write short scripts that have two people in them. Get 2358 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:42.119 your friends together, shoot it on an iPhone if that's 2359 02:02:42.159 --> 02:02:45.239 all you got. But if you've got DSLR, if someone's 2360 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:47.520 got a DSLR, like just shoot stuff. 2361 02:02:47.800 --> 02:02:48.840 Shoot as much as you. 2362 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:52.479 Can, write as much as you can, but write in 2363 02:02:52.520 --> 02:02:54.319 a way that you know you could film it. Because 2364 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:58.760 just practicing, like just working, like exercising that muscle is 2365 02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:01.920 super important because I think, especially with film, a lot 2366 02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:04.479 of people are like, yeah, that's what I want to do, 2367 02:03:04.760 --> 02:03:10.960 but then they don't actually act on any of those ambitions. 2368 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:16.079 But like, especially you know you're twenty three, you've got 2369 02:03:16.079 --> 02:03:19.199 actors nearby. Usually finding actors can be pretty tough. Doesn't 2370 02:03:19.199 --> 02:03:22.840 need to be crazy productions. Just make a five page 2371 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:26.359 script and spend a Sunday making it. Post it on YouTube, 2372 02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:29.880 post it on video or on vimeo. Hell, if you're 2373 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:33.159 happy with it, send it to film festivals. I guarantee 2374 02:03:33.159 --> 02:03:36.720 you their film festivals that will accept it, like you know, 2375 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:40.439 if it's five minutes, if it's if it's coherent, if 2376 02:03:40.479 --> 02:03:42.880 it has some sort of direction to it, some sort 2377 02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:47.560 of artistic flair to it, Like there's probably an audience 2378 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:50.000 for it, and you may not find it right away, 2379 02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:52.319 but probably out there. 2380 02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:54.800 Yeah. 2381 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:59.159 I mean, like I got, i'd say incredibly lucky as well. 2382 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:02.560 Like I went to film school, but I went to 2383 02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:06.920 community college, which apparently means a very different thing outside 2384 02:04:06.920 --> 02:04:10.680 of California and California are community college is usually pretty good, 2385 02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:13.800 but I hear outside of California, community colleges are kind 2386 02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:16.960 of shit. I don't know if that's true, but that's 2387 02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:20.520 what people have told me. But anyway, I didn't pay 2388 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:23.279 anything for that because it was community college. I lived 2389 02:04:23.279 --> 02:04:27.520 in the area, I had financial aid, And I think 2390 02:04:27.640 --> 02:04:29.439 the most important thing I got from that is just 2391 02:04:29.479 --> 02:04:33.399 meeting people who also wanted to make films and short films, 2392 02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:36.039 and even like I just raped production or I just 2393 02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:39.239 rap post production on a short film I did earlier 2394 02:04:39.279 --> 02:04:42.640 this year, and like the person who produced it, I 2395 02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:45.399 went to school with the assistant director. I went to 2396 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:50.239 school with the cinematographer I used to work with the 2397 02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:53.279 editor I used to work you know, it's just like 2398 02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:56.199 it like I had an entire group of people to 2399 02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:58.520 pull from and it was all just people I knew, 2400 02:04:58.560 --> 02:05:00.960 and a lot of them were from school, you know, 2401 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:03.720 a lot of them were just people I met through work. 2402 02:05:03.840 --> 02:05:06.000 Some I didn't even know we're interested in that sort 2403 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:11.720 of thing, but they were. And you know, yeah, that's 2404 02:05:12.720 --> 02:05:15.840 I would say, just start doing shit. 2405 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:21.880 Yeah, you've been doing more fictional filmmaking lately than finding 2406 02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:24.359 some success and doing some exciting shit, which I'm excited 2407 02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:24.760 to see. 2408 02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:28.960 Yeah, just finished the short film that we sent to 2409 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:32.239 a bunch of film festivals. Have not heard back from any, 2410 02:05:32.520 --> 02:05:36.520 so we'll see how it goes. But but yeah, and 2411 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:40.199 that was just like that came about because a friend 2412 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:42.399 of mine who I met in school, wrote a script 2413 02:05:42.439 --> 02:05:43.880 and he was like, hey, you should direct this, and 2414 02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:47.199 I was like, I can certainly try. And you know, 2415 02:05:47.359 --> 02:05:49.520 we got in touch with my friend who was a producer, 2416 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.680 and like it just it just spirals. It's spirals, just 2417 02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:54.760 based on people, you know. So if you don't have 2418 02:05:54.760 --> 02:05:57.760 that school connection, like Mary was saying, like go to clubs, 2419 02:05:58.880 --> 02:06:01.800 I mean, fuck it. I hate Facebook, but like, there's 2420 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:03.439 got to be a main filmmaker. 2421 02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:08.159 Are usually based on you know, like your local city 2422 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:13.239 usually will have some kind of club that helps. Sometimes 2423 02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:16.640 LinkedIn has them, but I find LinkedIn so gross. Sometimes 2424 02:06:16.760 --> 02:06:19.640 I'm just like, I have a hard time recommendation anymore. 2425 02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:23.840 It just doesn't feel genuine. Every time someone posts, I 2426 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:25.720 just feel like they're straight up lying. 2427 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:26.720 There's a lot of. 2428 02:06:26.800 --> 02:06:28.239 Market lie on LinkedIn. 2429 02:06:28.479 --> 02:06:33.399 Yeah, it's it's largely like cmos and bizz dev. People 2430 02:06:33.760 --> 02:06:36.560 use it for their like for their companies, like my 2431 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:41.680 wider company uses a lot it's. It's it's almost less 2432 02:06:43.640 --> 02:06:47.399 less social media and more like an extension of the 2433 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:49.920 marketing arm for each company. So yeah, it's got a 2434 02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:52.159 It's got a different sheen to it for sure than 2435 02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:55.920 like Instagram or Twitter is gonna. But yeah, I found 2436 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:59.399 a lot of I've been like looking for like wine 2437 02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:02.119 tasting group in New York, and there is a surprising 2438 02:07:02.199 --> 02:07:04.680 number of like Reddit threads for other people looking for it. 2439 02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:07.600 I think there's always gonna be someone else looking for 2440 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.439 the same thing. You are, You're you're not, You're never 2441 02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:14.000 gonna be the only person with an interest in your area. 2442 02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:17.680 I feel like unless you live in like Greenland than 2443 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:19.960 in which case, how are you listening to podcast? 2444 02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:23.680 I would say, like in terms of courage, like I like, 2445 02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:26.319 I think what Mike said speaks a lot to that, 2446 02:07:26.359 --> 02:07:29.840 where it's like, if you're kind of taking a measured 2447 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:32.319 approach to it, you don't necessarily need courage, you just 2448 02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:33.199 need a plan. 2449 02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:39.640 Yeah, thank you for writing in, Josh, And that's our show. 2450 02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:45.159 Like I said, everybody rite in. We get more questions 2451 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:48.760 that the getting through that was eighty eight. We just 2452 02:07:48.840 --> 02:07:55.560 warped in the Dolore in this episode. Yeah, Dan is gonna. 2453 02:07:55.640 --> 02:08:00.159 I think we'll be back next episode. Jake, always to 2454 02:08:00.199 --> 02:08:03.239 have you on for anybody who might not know. Jake 2455 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:05.960 is the lifeblood of the podcast and does all the 2456 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:09.600 production for it and make sure it, make sure it 2457 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:13.960 sounds good, looks good, gets up on time. Jake, What 2458 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:15.520 do you have going on outside? I know you talked 2459 02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:17.479 about warframe stuff, but what else is going on at 2460 02:08:17.479 --> 02:08:19.560 game Spot and film stuff? 2461 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:24.399 Oh god, I mean I have this short film that's. 2462 02:08:25.680 --> 02:08:29.000 Supposed to go to some film festivals later this year 2463 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:32.399 and then hopefully I'll release it to a you know, Vimeo, 2464 02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:34.720 YouTube or whatever, probably. 2465 02:08:34.479 --> 02:08:36.520 One it is it just you. Is it a small crew? 2466 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:37.640 What is it? 2467 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.520 It's like thirty people. There's a cast of six people. 2468 02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:44.520 Cast is kind of cool. Actually, one of the guys 2469 02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:48.880 was on, uh No, one of the guys was on 2470 02:08:49.000 --> 02:08:52.359 I think you should leave though, oh neat, and then 2471 02:08:52.399 --> 02:08:58.119 someone else was on curb your enthusiasm, and then yeah, 2472 02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:02.399 we had like a full crew. Andrea was the cinematographer. 2473 02:09:02.560 --> 02:09:03.319 I love Drea. 2474 02:09:03.880 --> 02:09:06.119 Yeah, former spot. 2475 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:12.880 Often Drea and twitch. I hired Drea as a videographer 2476 02:09:13.079 --> 02:09:16.159 or cinematographer for a lot of freelance stuff. And what's 2477 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:18.199 really fucking crazy is that there was like a couple 2478 02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:21.359 opportunities where we were like, hey, I think this could 2479 02:09:21.399 --> 02:09:23.720 be a full time role. Andrea would be like, no, 2480 02:09:24.640 --> 02:09:26.640 I only want to work freelance so that I can 2481 02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:31.039 make my independent films. I don't give a shit about 2482 02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:33.880 anything else. I will do this because I need the 2483 02:09:34.079 --> 02:09:38.319 money and the work and it's good for me. But ultimately, 2484 02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.319 she's been put on this earth to make her independent 2485 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:46.560 films and I respect that so much that I like 2486 02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:48.720 love working with her. 2487 02:09:49.439 --> 02:09:50.560 Yeah, she fucking rules. 2488 02:09:50.640 --> 02:09:54.000 I mean she came and clutch many times throughout that production, 2489 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:57.600 like had connections to get us a nice camera, like 2490 02:09:57.720 --> 02:10:00.760 just all once again, like just connections. 2491 02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:03.039 You never know where these connections are going to come from. 2492 02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:09.399 But yeah, that short film, I would say. Game spot wise, Yeah, 2493 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:13.079 I don't know. I'm sure there's some shit coming up. 2494 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:14.800 Mary, what about you? 2495 02:10:16.479 --> 02:10:20.199 Same as usual right now, I'm just streaming every Monday. 2496 02:10:20.760 --> 02:10:22.199 I've been streaming a lot of the games that I'm 2497 02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:24.079 talking about. So if you want to get a first 2498 02:10:24.079 --> 02:10:26.239 look at what I'm thinking when I'm playing these games, 2499 02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:30.680 check out the twitch. Honestly, I think that's it because 2500 02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:33.680 I'm preparing for twitch Con in one month. It's literally 2501 02:10:33.720 --> 02:10:36.560 four weeks away, so that's where all my energy is going. 2502 02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:38.399 But I will be in San Diego in four weeks 2503 02:10:38.399 --> 02:10:39.279 for twitch Con. 2504 02:10:41.039 --> 02:10:45.640 And I am just here in terms of forward facing stuff. 2505 02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:48.279 All my other day job stuff now is behind the scenes. 2506 02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:54.880 Well cool as usually. You can go to firescapecast dot 2507 02:10:54.920 --> 02:10:57.039 com if you want to be a patron and get 2508 02:10:57.079 --> 02:11:00.800 ad free tier episodes or video vers of episodes, or 2509 02:11:00.800 --> 02:11:02.760 if you just like what we do and want to 2510 02:11:02.800 --> 02:11:06.000 contribute and treat it as a tip jar so to speak, 2511 02:11:06.479 --> 02:11:10.159 to fund our bonus episodes, but especially our end of 2512 02:11:10.159 --> 02:11:13.079 the year Game of the Year extravaganza that we've done 2513 02:11:13.079 --> 02:11:16.279 for the last This will be our fourth this year. 2514 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:19.479 But inspired it all as well, because we wouldn't be 2515 02:11:19.479 --> 02:11:22.880 here without the Christmas Special, because that's kind of. 2516 02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:25.279 What the first thing we did was the halfway through 2517 02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:28.079 twenty twenty, wasn't it? Oh? 2518 02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:30.279 I thought it was the Christmas Special. We thought that 2519 02:11:30.359 --> 02:11:32.479 was like this very first time we all got together as. 2520 02:11:32.439 --> 02:11:34.880 Oh yeah, I thought you meant the whole thing that 2521 02:11:34.960 --> 02:11:36.199 inspired fire Escape. 2522 02:11:36.560 --> 02:11:38.960 Well, what I'm saying is that the first time we 2523 02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:41.680 all got together is kind of what led to fires 2524 02:11:41.880 --> 02:11:47.359 in correct. I also wanted to say we also had 2525 02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:50.159 a new episode of Kanini, So if anybody likes watching 2526 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:53.359 me and Mike play Resident Evil once every three months, 2527 02:11:53.399 --> 02:11:56.520 we've released a new episode and it's pretty good. 2528 02:11:56.720 --> 02:11:57.600 Are you guys almost done? 2529 02:11:57.720 --> 02:12:01.960 They have to thank episode us You're about to kill 2530 02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:08.520 Fight Krowser. Two episodes Max left. 2531 02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:10.039 We got to. 2532 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:13.560 Yeah, go subscribe to a firescape cast YouTube channel, just 2533 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:15.359 so you see that when they come up and we 2534 02:12:15.399 --> 02:12:19.079 put our bonus episodes there, you're not going. If it's 2535 02:12:19.079 --> 02:12:21.800 a patron bonus episode, you won't see that. 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No one wants to 2547 02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:57.840 see that in public. But anyway, thank you everybody for 2548 02:12:57.920 --> 02:13:00.960 joining this episode eighty eight. We're getting toward one hundred. 2549 02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:02.560 I think we did the math. It'll be like February 2550 02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:04.960 when we do one hundred, figure out something fun for 2551 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:09.399 that and then yeah, we'll start talking in the next 2552 02:13:10.760 --> 02:13:12.880 month or two about what we're gonna do. End of 2553 02:13:12.880 --> 02:13:15.439 the year wise, I'm sure will be fun and dumb. 2554 02:13:16.279 --> 02:13:18.239 I still have like four big games I need to 2555 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.359 catch up on so I can be all of you 2556 02:13:21.479 --> 02:13:25.159 in an argument about all of them. So it'll be fun. 2557 02:13:25.479 --> 02:13:29.159 But in the meantime we'll see everybody else in two weeks. 2558 02:13:29.680 --> 02:13:34.760 Until then, have fun, be good, see y'all. 2559 02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:37.239 See y'all, and thanks again for having. 2560 02:13:37.000 --> 02:14:03.279 Me see you. Stop Stop