Speaker 1: What up is Muschin?
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Speaker 2: Jeff Garcia the sports Dude. I'm Jay Cruz and he's back.
Speaker 2: Jim Lampley, the living legend himself. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. How are you guys?
Speaker 2: We're doing okay, We're doing all right. You're in San
Speaker 2: Diego now, and then as soon as you're done here,
Speaker 2: you're headed the Los Angeles and we're going to the
Speaker 2: Wildcard gym.
Speaker 1: That is correct, and it's very, very exciting to be
Speaker 1: going back into the wild Card for the first time
Speaker 1: in years. I've been living in North Carolina for the
Speaker 1: last six years, so I haven't seen Freddy but once
Speaker 1: or twice. Haven't been in the wild Card. Freddy got
Speaker 1: married since the last time I was there. I really
Speaker 1: thrilled to be going back today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been there before. I had the opportunity to
Speaker 2: be there once with where when Matt, you know, Manny
Speaker 2: was having a fight and he was in their training
Speaker 2: and you know, they had media there as you know,
Speaker 2: and you know, the place just smells of like of
Speaker 2: just of strength. It's that it's got that that that smell.
Speaker 2: That that's it's it's very unique, right, and uh, it's
Speaker 2: just blood, sweat and tears, I guess is the best
Speaker 2: way to describe it.
Speaker 1: It is boxing. You know, in case you have no
Speaker 1: idea what the atmospherics of boxing are, go spend an
Speaker 1: hour in the Wildcard. You'll feel it, you'll see it,
Speaker 1: You'll learn from it. And obviously many Pacau was the
Speaker 1: heart and soul of many unforgettable sparring sessions and unforgettable
Speaker 1: training sessions. Uh. In the Wildcard, his relationship with Freddie
Speaker 1: was so bonded, so thick, so good, h and a
Speaker 1: huge part of Manny's success.
Speaker 2: It happened the memoir Uniquely Lucky Life in sports television. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I know we say it's luck, right, but
Speaker 2: how much of it is luck?
Speaker 1: Well? There are a lot of things that I point to.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends who pushed back and said,
Speaker 1: why do you say lucky? You were good, you knew
Speaker 1: what you were doing, who had fills? And I say, yeah,
Speaker 1: but when you are the one person chosen from among
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty two candidates in a national talent
Speaker 1: hunt to find the very first person, ostensibly college age,
Speaker 1: who's going to stand on the sideline of a college
Speaker 1: football game with a camera and a microphone. And you
Speaker 1: are the one person among the four hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: two who is not undergraduate age, who is in graduate school,
Speaker 1: who is not eighteen to twenty two, who is twenty five,
Speaker 1: who is not completely fresh with no experience in broadcasting.
Speaker 1: I had done a great deal of stuff in Chapel
Speaker 1: Hill at the University of North Carolina. All of those
Speaker 1: things about me, my age, my educational credential, my background
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster. That was supposed to disqualify me. The
Speaker 1: way they build the whole search, they were supposed to
Speaker 1: be looking for somebody completely different from me. And at
Speaker 1: the last minute, before they chose the person who was
Speaker 1: going to go on the sideline, the boss of the organization,
Speaker 1: the famous runa Arledge had of ABC Sports, had a
Speaker 1: last minute sort of cautionary thought, Wait a minute, we're
Speaker 1: about to put somebody on who's never been in front
Speaker 1: of a camera before, never held a microphone before. Did
Speaker 1: we actually interview somebody who has done those things? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was one guy, and I was that guy. And
Speaker 1: the evaluation form for my interview. My screening interview was
Speaker 1: four words, and those words were arrogant, antagonistic, abrasive, might
Speaker 1: as well have been an asshole. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really know. They were called the fora's and and so
Speaker 1: I was definitely not supposed to get that gig, but
Speaker 1: I did, and that was the beginning of my network
Speaker 1: television career. I spent three years on the sideline. That
Speaker 1: was another thing. It was supposed to be won, and
Speaker 1: then they were going to go find somebody else. But
Speaker 1: the best laid plans always go haywire somehow, and I
Speaker 1: wound up not just continuing on the sideline of college football,
Speaker 1: but doing an apprenticeship under which I went out to
Speaker 1: all of the crazy wide worlds. All of the older
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type announcers on the ABC sports staff
Speaker 1: at that time hated the idea of me at first,
Speaker 1: and then eventually loved the idea of me because they
Speaker 1: realized that I was a person who was going to,
Speaker 1: at least for a period of time, have to go
Speaker 1: back to the wrist wrestling and the log rolling and
Speaker 1: the barrel jumping and the demolition derby and the motorcycles
Speaker 1: on ice every year until I was finished paying my
Speaker 1: dues and they wouldn't have to do those things anymore.
Speaker 1: So it's all an unlikely path. And then there are
Speaker 1: many other lucky breaks that take place, all leading up
Speaker 1: to in nineteen eighty seven, the ultimate lucky break, when
Speaker 1: a new incoming president of ABC Sports who had replaced
Speaker 1: roent Knowledge, wanted to get rid of me and decided
Speaker 1: that the best way to get rid of me would
Speaker 1: be to assign me to boxing, and I became the
Speaker 1: boxing commentator on the staff of ABC Sports. And the
Speaker 1: other thing he didn't realize, besides that I knew a
Speaker 1: lot about boxing and cared about it, was that they
Speaker 1: had just signed a get Acquainted Looxie contract with a
Speaker 1: nineteen year old heavyweight from upstate New York whose name
Speaker 1: was Mike Tyson. So the first five or six television
Speaker 1: network boxing events I called were Mike Tyson fights. During
Speaker 1: that period of time, he was well on his way
Speaker 1: to becoming not just the biggest public figure in boxing,
Speaker 1: but the biggest public figure on the planet, and I was,
Speaker 1: in effect the curator of his story. So all of those,
Speaker 1: and there are many many more, but all of those
Speaker 1: are the characteristics and the events by which I say lucky.
Speaker 1: It was highly concidental, it was intuitive, It was great
Speaker 1: for me, and I got a big career out of it.
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how things or someone is sent out
Speaker 2: to destroy you, or something is sent out to destroy
Speaker 2: you ends up, you know, creating something special.
Speaker 1: Be careful how you think you're going to destroy somebody.
Speaker 1: I mean, he played right into my hands. And just
Speaker 1: to continue that narrative, his name was Dennis Wwanson and
Speaker 1: he had a huge credential coming into ABC Sports. He
Speaker 1: had been the station manager of WLSTB in Chicago, where
Speaker 1: he had given a daily talk show to a woman
Speaker 1: named Oprah Winfrey. Pretty good credential, Okay, so he had
Speaker 1: some juice and was supposed to be able to evaluate talent,
Speaker 1: and he, you know, went to the wall to try
Speaker 1: to embarrass me, destroy me, and get rid of me.
Speaker 1: And know the instant that he chose as his vehicle
Speaker 1: for that, to assign me to boxing. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: believe my good fortune. The very first sports event that
Speaker 1: my mother ever sat me down to watch on television
Speaker 1: after my father died when I was five years old,
Speaker 1: The first sports event she ever sat me down to
Speaker 1: watch while saying to me, this is what your father
Speaker 1: would be doing with you if he were still alive,
Speaker 1: with Sugar Ray Robinson versus Bobolsen for the Middleway Championship.
Speaker 1: So let Friday Night Fights in nineteen fifty five. I
Speaker 1: watched the Friday Night Fights on Jellette. Listen to Don
Speaker 1: Dunfied teach me about boxing all the way through the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties into the nineteen sixties, and then at the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty Rome Olympics, I saw my hero, and my
Speaker 1: hero was Cassius Clay, And eventually I was at my
Speaker 1: very first live prize fight, which was Cassius Clay versus
Speaker 1: Sonny liston Miami Beach, February twenty five, nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1: And the rest of the story just flows on from there.
Speaker 1: So Lucky is inescapable, and I'm not diminishing myself when
Speaker 1: I say it. Just a fact unusual is written all
Speaker 1: over this. It was very counterintuitive. It shouldn't have happened
Speaker 1: exactly the way it did. Uh, but it did. And
Speaker 1: and on I went until eventually HBO and the heart
Speaker 1: of my identity now as a sports broadcaster, we got.
Speaker 3: To remind everybody on Saturday, two pm. Wildcard Jim Jim
Speaker 3: will be there. Jim Lampley will be there signing his
Speaker 3: book It Happened, a uniquely lucky life in sports television.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be able to meet him, get it signed.
Speaker 3: Freddie Roach will be in the building, I'm assuming as well, Jim.
Speaker 3: Right Saturday at two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll be. Freddy will be there. We're both gonna
Speaker 1: be signing books. I just thought of this while you
Speaker 1: were saying it. Wildcard gym, in the Wildcard gym. My
Speaker 1: whole life is a wild card, right, So it's going
Speaker 1: to be very exciting to be there signing books for
Speaker 1: boxing fans again, to be shoulder to shoulder again with
Speaker 1: Freddie about whom I created and produced a six part
Speaker 1: documentary series called On Freddie Roach that is HBO several
Speaker 1: years ago. So a sort of micro examination of what
Speaker 1: life with Parkinson's is really all about and how you
Speaker 1: get through it hour by hour, day by day. His courage,
Speaker 1: his perseverance, his amazing skill and devotion as a boxing trainer.
Speaker 1: I always found him to be a remarkably attractive and
Speaker 1: meaningful human being. And it'll be great to be back
Speaker 1: side by side and shoulder to shoulder with Freddy. You know, Jim, we're.
Speaker 2: Radio guys, right, so we're sound guys. And I read
Speaker 2: that you narrated your book as well, which I think
Speaker 2: is amazing because who better to tell the story and
Speaker 2: you have such a powerful voice and a voice that
Speaker 2: you know that you just can't forget.
Speaker 1: That was a no brainer, you know, I hadn't hadn't
Speaker 1: really thought of it at first, but the publisher said,
Speaker 1: are you going to read the book? And I thought, hm,
Speaker 1: you know, is that too egotistical to self congratulatory? And
Speaker 1: the publisher said, no, that that is absolutely natural and
Speaker 1: that's what the readers and listeners are going to want.
Speaker 1: So the audiobook is doing well, I'm pleased to say,
Speaker 1: And I guess people aren't tired tired of my voice yet.
Speaker 1: And it's it's two hundred and seventy two pages. Took
Speaker 1: it took a while to read, but it was It
Speaker 1: was fun because I liked the writing. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was reading day after day and thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: this guy's pretty good.
Speaker 3: That that's a nice.
Speaker 1: Turn phrase there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to say congratulations on the broadcast over last weekend.
Speaker 3: Sink of the mile fights over there in New York.
Speaker 3: Congratulations on being back in it and calling fights. I
Speaker 3: wish there were a few more better fights for you
Speaker 3: to have called that weekend.
Speaker 1: I was a little as a pointed, I wish there
Speaker 1: were a few better rounds. I wish there were anything
Speaker 1: to sink my teeth into. It was, you know, from
Speaker 1: a boxing interst entertainment standpoint, it was dreadful, but it
Speaker 1: was thrilling to be there, and it was thrilling to
Speaker 1: be back on the microphone calling fights.
Speaker 3: It sounded amazing, but we did get one good thing
Speaker 3: coming out of it, and that's Canelo and Crawford confirmed
Speaker 3: for later this year. Right, your initial thoughts on that
Speaker 3: and Crawford coming up and all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff, fantastic fight. My my thoughts for a long time were, well,
Speaker 1: Terrence is just too small. That's that's too big a
Speaker 1: weight gap, and particularly given Canelo's amazing punch resistance, the
Speaker 1: way that he takes a punch. It was for a
Speaker 1: long time I was thinking, I'm not sure I can
Speaker 1: see Terrence hurting Canelo, and then I realized I was
Speaker 1: selling Crawford short. The best way to watch Terrence Crawford
Speaker 1: do something meaningful and spectacular to is tell him he
Speaker 1: can't do it. He is one of those people who
Speaker 1: is absolutely determined to prove that he can do what
Speaker 1: you tell him he can't do. Going back to his
Speaker 1: very first television appearance, which was on the undercart of
Speaker 1: a top ranked pay per view in Las Vegas, where
Speaker 1: he was thrown in more or less as a last
Speaker 1: minute opponent against a rising prospect from South America named
Speaker 1: Bratis Prescott, and the feeling was, who is Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 1: Nobody really knows him, and Prescott is a thrilling talent.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a perfunctory undercard fight. I
Speaker 1: believe it was on a packout pay per view, and
Speaker 1: it was Tim Bradley who had told the top ranked
Speaker 1: people when he knew they were fishing around for an
Speaker 1: opponent for Prescott. Bradley had sparred with Crawford, said put
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford in against him, I think you'll be surprised
Speaker 1: at what you get. And Crawford won every round against
Speaker 1: Bratis Prescott. And that was the very first time I
Speaker 1: had seen him, so I bonded with him from that
Speaker 1: moment forward. He is a deeply intense competitor he is.
Speaker 1: I will prove it to you from the core out.
Speaker 1: And he comes from a river city in the United States,
Speaker 1: which is a long and storage tradition in American boxing.
Speaker 1: Guys from Detroit, guys from Saint Louis, guys from Gary, Indiana,
Speaker 1: all of those are river cities. Ezer Charles was a
Speaker 1: river city fighter, And so you could go on and on.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I have managed
Speaker 1: to wake up in the past few weeks and realize
Speaker 1: this is not a mismatch. This is Terrence Crawford. And
Speaker 1: this is Terrence Crawford coming up in wait with competent
Speaker 1: training and adequate preparation, and he's as smart as any
Speaker 1: fighter alive. And I just hope for Canelo's sake, I
Speaker 1: mean Canelo's neighborhood right now, by the way, I'm probably
Speaker 1: no more than a half mile from his house. I
Speaker 1: just hope for Canelo's sake that he is taking Terrence
Speaker 1: as seriously as he needs to take him. Because he
Speaker 1: takes him lightly. I think he's going to be shocked.
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford is a spectacular competitor.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jim, you know what I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: what's like, what's the best or the coolest memorabilia that
Speaker 2: you have?
Speaker 1: The coolest memorabilia I have. I have a glove that's
Speaker 1: autographed by Muhammad Ali, so yeah, you can't beat that.
Speaker 1: I have even more than that. I have a photograph
Speaker 1: of Ali with my eight year old daughter, Brooke's now
Speaker 1: forty four, the day that they spent the whole day
Speaker 1: together at the United States Boxing Writers' Association dinner in
Speaker 1: New York in nineteen eighty eight, when Brook was an
Speaker 1: eight year old girl spending the whole day at a
Speaker 1: boxing awards event and Ali was there to sign books
Speaker 1: all day. Tom Hauser had just published his definitive biography
Speaker 1: of Muhammad Ali, and there was a moment when I
Speaker 1: needed to go out and run some errands in Manhattan traffic,
Speaker 1: and I knew that I would be taking a lot
Speaker 1: longer to run those errands if Brook were going to
Speaker 1: go with me. So I turned around in the media
Speaker 1: room and looked around and said, I need somebody to
Speaker 1: watch Brook while I go out and run these errands.
Speaker 1: And Ali instantly stuck his arm up and said leave
Speaker 1: her with me, And he wound up spending hours with
Speaker 1: her magic tricks card tricks, just talking and all day
Speaker 1: and that night he looked out into the audience at
Speaker 1: the dinner and saw her getting a little tired, flagging,
Speaker 1: and he motioned her and brought her up onto the
Speaker 1: dais and sat her down between him and me. And
Speaker 1: I have a photo of the two of them together
Speaker 1: and me with them, and it's unforgettable. And that's my
Speaker 1: single most treasured Beasts of Boxing memorabilia by far. By
Speaker 1: the way, she's forty four years old now, she's arguably
Speaker 1: the number one most important art dealer in the entire world.
Speaker 1: From that day onward, she has always known that she
Speaker 1: was special. And I'll never forget riding home to drop
Speaker 1: her at her mother's apartment that night, when she turned
Speaker 1: me in the car and said, Dad, who was that guy?
Speaker 1: And well, they're going to grow up and read about him.
Speaker 1: You're going to grow up and know all about that.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot to tell, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: possibly tell you all of it right here and now,
Speaker 1: but I'll just give you this to take to bed tonight.
Speaker 1: He's the most famous man in the world, and no
Speaker 1: one can deny that he's the most famous man in
Speaker 1: the world. It's not even an argument. She said, you mean,
Speaker 1: I just spent most of the day with the most
Speaker 1: famous man in the world. I said, yes, you did,
Speaker 1: and even more to the point, he spent most of
Speaker 1: the day with you. Wow, the story, whoa, it's in
Speaker 1: the book. By the I just gave something away, of course,
Speaker 1: But you know the book is filled with things of
Speaker 1: that nature. That but you ask what's the best that's
Speaker 1: number one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there a story that was the toughest to tell?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a story that was the toughest to tell.
Speaker 1: It was poignant for me because the book is dedicated
Speaker 1: to my double widow mother, maybe the most courageous person
Speaker 1: I've ever known, and my one hundred two year old
Speaker 1: paternal grandmother. She died at a hunt and two, but
Speaker 1: you know I knew her for forty five years before that.
Speaker 1: But at any rate, the book was dedicated to them
Speaker 1: because they were both NonStop, inveterate storytellers. My storytelling style
Speaker 1: comes from them, and I can hear them in my
Speaker 1: head even today. I heard them the whole time I
Speaker 1: was writing the book. And so there's a poignancy in that.
Speaker 1: My mother raised me selling insurance in Florida, my father
Speaker 1: died when I was five years old. I would go
Speaker 1: spend the summers with my grandmother, so all year long,
Speaker 1: I would listen to my mother in the kitchen in
Speaker 1: Florida telling me her stories. Then I would go to
Speaker 1: North Carolina and listen to my grandmother telling me her stories.
Speaker 1: And both of them shaped me. Had tremendous influence on me.
Speaker 1: And the storytelling that you read and experience in the
Speaker 1: book is directly influenced by those two women. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: We got to remind everybody again. Two o'clock Wildcard, Jim Saturday,
Speaker 3: Jim will be there. You could buy the book there
Speaker 3: by the way and have him sign it right there.
Speaker 3: I guess if you have a copy of your own
Speaker 3: you can bring it down, but make sure that you
Speaker 3: get down there. That's all they're going to be signed.
Speaker 3: That's all he's going to be signing, So is the book.
Speaker 3: So make sure you have a book. If not, buy
Speaker 3: one there. Two o'clock Wildcard, Jim. I want to ask
Speaker 3: you one last question, because I know you got to
Speaker 3: go of all the people that could have written your forward.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's you could have Jim had your choice.
Speaker 3: Why Taylor Sheridan.
Speaker 1: I love him. I think he's amazingly talented. I love
Speaker 1: all his shows.
Speaker 3: I was just like, Wow, that was a unique pick.
Speaker 1: I met him at a boxing match in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I met him in a restaurant after Canelo Albres versus
Speaker 1: Jamel Charlow. And when I went to that dinner, which
Speaker 1: was organized by film director Antuine Fuqua that directed me
Speaker 1: in southbaw Me and Jake Gillenhall and I went into
Speaker 1: the restaurant and there was a chair reserved at the
Speaker 1: end of a long table, about sixteen or eighteen people there,
Speaker 1: and the chair was right next to this person I
Speaker 1: didn't recognize, and that was Taylor's share. So I sat
Speaker 1: down and he proceeded to interview me for two and
Speaker 1: a half hours. It was a NonStop conversation and it
Speaker 1: was all boxing. Tell me about this fight, Tell me
Speaker 1: about this fight, tell me about this fight. He has
Speaker 1: encyclopedic knowledge of boxing. And it was a stunning conversation.
Speaker 1: And I went back to North Carolina. He went back
Speaker 1: to Fort Worth and he started calling me late at night.
Speaker 1: I reached a point where every time the phone would
Speaker 1: ring past eleven o'clock at night, my wife would say,
Speaker 1: that's your boyfriend, and it was my boyfriend, and we
Speaker 1: were talking boxing NonStop. So then the second time I
Speaker 1: saw him face to face again after a fight in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, walked into a restaurant, same general group, the
Speaker 1: Hollywood group, although Taylor doesn't go to Hollywood. He's not Hollywood.
Speaker 1: He is fort Worth and I walked in saw him
Speaker 1: and he said, so, what you been doing. I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm writing my autobiography. He said, well, I hope I'm
Speaker 1: writing the forward. I said, Taylor, I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you for a blurb. I know how busy you are.
Speaker 1: He said, no, I don't want to write a blurb.
Speaker 1: I want to write the forward. And I went back
Speaker 1: to Chapel Hill and told my as told to author,
Speaker 1: Taylor Sheridan's going to write the forward. Oh, how could
Speaker 1: you fall for that kind of Hollywood bs. He's the
Speaker 1: busiest writer in the world. Everybody knows. He's writing three
Speaker 1: different series right now. He's not going to have time
Speaker 1: to write the forward for the book. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you want me to do. He told
Speaker 1: me he was going to write the forward. I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not going to call him and tell him that he's not,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So the forward showed up on the day
Speaker 1: of the deadline, perfectly written forward by Taylor Sheridan. What
Speaker 1: a gift. That's That's one amazing gift. I did a
Speaker 1: bookstore appearance in Chapel Hill last week with my neighbor
Speaker 1: John Grisham, who is the number one fiction selling author
Speaker 1: in the United States. We sold a hundred books at
Speaker 1: that bookstore appearance. Why because Grisham was sitting with me
Speaker 1: and saying, you know, you've got to read this book,
Speaker 1: and he's another one. When I told a friend of
Speaker 1: mine I was going to ask Grisham to write a blurb,
Speaker 1: he said, oh no, no, don't even bother. You're just
Speaker 1: going to embarrass yourself. Grisham doesn't write blurbs for other
Speaker 1: people's books. So then a week after that, I was
Speaker 1: out of lunch with him and I said, well, I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you for a blurb, but somebody
Speaker 1: who knows a lot, seems to know everything, told me
Speaker 1: that you don't write blurbs. Who the hell said that?
Speaker 1: Where did you get that? I write blurbs all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm eager to write a blurb for your book. So
Speaker 1: I got that. And then the other thing that happened,
Speaker 1: which is ironic beyond ironic, is that George Foreman died
Speaker 1: two weeks before the publication date. The title comes from
Speaker 1: my call of Foreman's win over Michael Moorer. The blurb
Speaker 1: he wrote for the back cover was one of his
Speaker 1: last public acts. There are the prologue. The first thing
Speaker 1: you read in the book is the nineteen year old
Speaker 1: me watching the nineteen year old hymn win his Olympic
Speaker 1: gold medal in Mexico City. There are all sorts of
Speaker 1: different ways in which George connects directly to the book.
Speaker 1: So for him to die, I mean, I couldn't stop
Speaker 1: crying for two days because of the shock and the
Speaker 1: unbelievable resonance of it that he would die at that moment,
Speaker 1: just as my book was about to come out, and
Speaker 1: it's so much about him.
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing.
Speaker 1: Jim.
Speaker 2: We thank you for your time. We understand, busy schedule,
Speaker 2: a lot going on. Always a pleasure having you on.
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Thank you, Love you guys. Great to
Speaker 2: be with you, talk to you late.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jim.
Speaker 1: I have a great signing. Take care, Bye bye, Pace
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