WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:15.679 Here take my advice. 2 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:21.519 You have to be very careful. If you call out 3 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:27.000 to one of the dead. All of them can hear 4 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:35.960 you down. 5 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:45.679 Throw them down, down the living. 6 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.799 Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is the 7 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:20.599 third and final installment of Into the Further Sorry for 8 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.200 the delay on this one. It is all Colby's fault. Colby, 9 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:24.799 how are you? 10 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.519 I am not at fault. I know that for a fact. 11 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:30.079 It is all your fault. 12 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.640 Okay, Well, your people tried to get to my people. 13 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:39.560 There's some delays, some miscommunications. 14 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.519 Yeah, there's gonna be a couple of weeks in between 15 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:47.120 Into the Further two in this episode obviously, but I 16 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:51.120 wanted to put a bow on it because I feel 17 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.359 like I had something pretty cool going with the first 18 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:59.359 two episodes. You were part of the inspiration behind making 19 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.239 the series, so it's only right that you are my 20 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:04.599 guest for the evening. 21 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:10.280 I didn't know I was so inspiring or I'm your muse. 22 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:16.199 I guess, well, I guess. First off, tell me and 23 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:21.560 the listeners about your sufferings with sleep paralysis. 24 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.800 So we're not even going to like go to dinner. 25 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:28.199 You just want to go right right into it. 26 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.639 Zero four player, right well. 27 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.319 That's probably a good idea because I don't know how 28 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.400 long you want to go tonight, but we could talk 29 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.280 about all sorts of things that kind of weave in 30 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.240 with the sleep paralysis that you know, there's a lot 31 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.199 of things that seem to happen around the same time 32 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.319 in life they're linked with sleep paralysis. 33 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:54.360 So, well, you warned me for the last few weeks 34 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.039 because we've planned to do this episode several times, and 35 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.879 you're like, just be prepared, will probably be divorced by 36 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:06.520 the end of it. So I have absolutely no idea 37 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:08.879 what you're gonna say tonight, and that's why I think 38 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.199 zero four play is in order. Just let's hear what 39 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.840 you have to say. How long have you known about 40 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.479 sleep paralysis? Like have you had it since you were 41 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.560 a kid? Did you know what it was at the time? 42 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.800 Like what, Yeah, there's brief memories of pretty you know, 43 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:33.719 early childhood, like past toddler maybe like four or five, 44 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.039 where I mean, I've just always had a real problem 45 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:41.840 sleeping my entire life, and I was scared to go 46 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.520 to sleep, and I think maybe I was experiencing something 47 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:49.520 like that back then. But my first distinct memory where 48 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:54.599 I was just completely conscious through the whole process. Was 49 00:03:54.680 --> 00:04:00.120 when I was fifteen, maybe sixteen, I was a fresh 50 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.280 in high school. I remember it, and oddly enough, my 51 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.599 first occurrence was during the day. It wasn't at night. 52 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.599 I For those of you who've played football or no 53 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.439 people who have, you've probably you'll be familiar with two 54 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.199 A days, which is something they do like a couple 55 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.439 of weeks before school starts. The football team starts practicing 56 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.959 and they'll go at like the ass crack of dawn 57 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:30.199 and then again in the evening, and it's brutal. They 58 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.279 kind of whips your ass into shape. So I was 59 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.040 it was like the second or third day of it, 60 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.759 and I was taking a nap between the two practice sessions, 61 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.759 and I was in my bedroom alone. I shared a 62 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.040 bedroom with my brother and he wasn't in there. But 63 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:50.199 I woke up just one hundred percent awake, but I 64 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:57.439 couldn't move, and I felt like I wasn't breathing, and 65 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:01.399 then I just started panicking and there was like an 66 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.319 intense shake, like a spasmene and it usually starts right 67 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.319 here at the base of my skull and just goes 68 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:12.000 through my whole body. And you the worst or the 69 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:16.600 more you fight it, the worse it gets. And that 70 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:20.040 was my first time ever, and I remember thinking, like, 71 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.800 oh fuck, did I get hit? Because you know, it's 72 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.879 full pads and everything during those practices, Did I get hit? 73 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:28.879 And I like fucked up my neck? But I'm like 74 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.439 paralyzed now. And it was delayed. I mean, so this 75 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:39.480 this was going on long enough for me to like theorize. 76 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.560 At the time, you weren't familiar with the concept. 77 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.800 I had no fucking idea what it was not at all. 78 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:50.439 And I probably learned when I was my first year 79 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.480 out of high school or my second year. Pretty sure 80 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.240 it was when I was in college and I started 81 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.079 looking into all sorts of like esoteric shit, and you know, 82 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.040 the internet back then, like we're talking two thousand and 83 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.879 four ish, it was great for like, you know, just 84 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.839 downloads of entire books and essays and stuff. There was 85 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.079 no YouTube or anything like that. But I found an 86 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.759 essay about it, and it was the first time that 87 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.120 I realized, like, oh, I have this is normal. I'm 88 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.759 not the only one. I told people about it, but 89 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.959 no one seemed to know what it was. I told 90 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.279 my mom about it. She didn't seem to know what 91 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:37.079 it was. But it didn't really happen a lot from 92 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.920 then until I was probably like a young adult eighteen nineteen. 93 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:46.959 Then it started happening all the fucking time, like three 94 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:53.839 four nights a month, and then since from like where 95 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.879 I am today, it's kind of just like come in spurts. 96 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.759 And in fact, the last time I had one when 97 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.879 we were visiting your family, and it was an intense one. 98 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.279 But we're kind of getting ahead of it because I've 99 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.439 learned throughout the years to actually I live with it 100 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.879 very comfortably. It doesn't it does not stress me out. 101 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.319 Actually, ask you about that kind of towards the end, 102 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:25.720 your advice on people who are suffering from this who want. 103 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.199 Well, you you're not gonna like the advice I have. 104 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:32.920 If you agree with, well's just save it. 105 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.240 The gentleman that closed out your last episode, he was 106 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:37.240 a religious fella. 107 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.680 Well do you okay, let's let's let's save that for 108 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:46.279 a minute. But do you think that there is because 109 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.759 the endo the further series, I wanted to talk about 110 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.439 some of the craziest paranormal experiences that I've had and 111 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.959 uh that I heard other people have. But I do 112 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:02.959 feel like in a lot of cases, sleep paralysis and 113 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.920 paranormal activity can sometimes kind of run side by side. 114 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:12.399 So do you feel like that, I mean, yeah, I mean, 115 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:17.800 and I didn't. I only described my first one, and 116 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:22.879 as time goes on, it starts to get more paranormal. 117 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.800 I think the experience itself on its own is paranormal. 118 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.160 And as you've talked about, and lots of people have 119 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:33.679 have kind of researched into this, there's lots of similar 120 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:38.559 sightings among people. And it's you know, the hat man, 121 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.679 the old the old hag, shadow, there's a there's a 122 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:47.960 guardian person, there's shadow people. I've had friends of mine 123 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.440 tell me that they saw aliens experimenting on them. 124 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:52.679 Yes, I have to. 125 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.840 So it's all over the place. And I did have 126 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:02.720 like shadow people vision. I used to feel like something 127 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:07.519 was sitting on my chest holding my wrists when I 128 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:12.480 couldn't move. More of a sensation than a presence, if 129 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:17.679 that makes sense. Like invisible cease. I've seen like it's 130 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.440 like a shimmer and it's like a bean. But it's 131 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.519 not like I didn't see somebody wearing a hat. 132 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.039 Well, what do you think about because you told me 133 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.399 that when you were very little, your mom and your 134 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.720 stepdad said that you would see things around the house. 135 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.759 I saw a ghost when I was two to three, 136 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:44.360 somewhere in that year, and it was my dad actually 137 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:48.879 and my mom. They were probably pretty close to divorcing, 138 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.320 but I think, because. 139 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.320 So this is before they even split. 140 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.600 Up, I think it was like it was in that timeframe. 141 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:02.600 And long story short, my mom is pretty observant when 142 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.799 it comes to some things, not when it comes to others. 143 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:10.600 But she really had been around kids her entire life 144 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:14.279 because her mom and my grandmother was like the daycare, 145 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.519 the town nanny like. I don't know if she even 146 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:19.799 went through the government, but we talked about this, I 147 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.039 think in one of the blood ties or something about 148 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:27.000 the babysitting thing grandma had. But anyway, so my mom 149 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.159 grew up surrounded by kids, and she noticed that when 150 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:33.919 she would hear me talking like a kid talking to itself, 151 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.200 that it was different because I was having a conversation. 152 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.240 I would say something pause, like somebody else's talking, So 153 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.840 it was a conversation she was only hearing one end of. 154 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.879 And she came into my bedroom and one of these 155 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.720 occasions and said, were you talking to And I pointed 156 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.919 over her shoulder and said, my friend. She said who, 157 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.080 I said, my friend, he's standing right behind you. And 158 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.240 my mom didn't get scared, but she asked questions. She 159 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.360 asked what he looked like, and I described him. And 160 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.919 it's a small ass town. We're talking like in the 161 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:14.840 city limits or the town limits, maybe under four hundred 162 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.559 and then the surrounding valley. It's just ranchers and shit. 163 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.840 But it's small enough that everybody knows everybody. So I 164 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:25.720 described the guy, and my mom talked to her mom 165 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.480 and said, what did Homer Chastain look like? And that 166 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:29.799 was I don't know if you want to edit the 167 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.879 name out, but I doubt any Chastains out there are 168 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.639 going to sue. But I had told my mom that 169 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.639 he was bald, he had a beard, and he wore 170 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.399 oshkosh because that. 171 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:44.399 Your word for overall yeah's. 172 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:50.360 And my mom told my grandma that and she said, yeah, 173 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.559 he was bald, he had a beard, he always wore 174 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.919 the same dirty best pair of overalls, or you know, 175 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:04.519 he lived, he died in that house. So my dad 176 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:08.840 believed it, my mom believed it. I don't have a 177 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:12.080 memory of it. The only memory I have is being 178 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:15.840 told about it. And so that's not something I remember. 179 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.759 But there are some things that started happening when I 180 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:23.759 was twelve, so we'll say like three years before that 181 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.240 football practice incident of the first sleep proalysis. I remember, 182 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:32.399 but I would wake up always downstairs. My bedroom was upstairs. 183 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.799 This is an old farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, 184 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:41.960 surrounded by old potato fields, and it was just fucking desolate. 185 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.240 A few times I woke up outside, but mainly it 186 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.360 was like there was this site entrance that led out 187 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.120 to our deck where we had like a hot tub 188 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.600 and where the barbecue and share was. No, That's what 189 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:58.000 I thought at first, but then I thought I'm dreaming. 190 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:03.639 But as I started to like have this happen constantly, 191 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:08.000 I noticed that it's like three sixty vision, not in 192 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.080 a body, You're just basically so your. 193 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.720 Physical body wasn't outside or down. No, it was like it. 194 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.639 And this has also happened to me when I've done mushrooms. 195 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:23.759 This has happened to me. Also, I've left the house 196 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.240 gone and walked around and talked to people, and then 197 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.279 like my ex girlfriend said that, I never left the bed, 198 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.759 and so I don't know if that was real, like. 199 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.200 A remote viewing wilderness. 200 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.519 So that I don't know about remote viewing. I think 201 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.320 that's more controlled. But as we get into the sleep prolysis, 202 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.679 as I started like working with it, I actually can 203 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.279 just astro project. 204 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.240 Yeah, like the kid from Insidious. 205 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.720 Yeah, but I see. I think those movies do it 206 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.600 in injustice, and I think that gentlemen that ended your 207 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:02.879 last episode did it in injustice. The reason people freak 208 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.200 the fuck out when they're having a sleep paralysis is 209 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.480 because they're told it's demonic. They're told there's something wrong 210 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.320 with them. And I tell you right now, the things 211 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.759 that guy was saying about you're being unfaithful, you're using drugs, 212 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.879 you're hiding things. When this shit started happened to me, 213 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:23.159 I was a fucking kid. I don't think any of 214 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.279 that's true. I do think he had a point with 215 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.159 generational shit. I think there's something to that. My brother 216 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.480 also has this, and I didn't even know until he 217 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.440 visited us, like what a couple of months. 218 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.679 Ago and when we got married. 219 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.799 So he was explaining it, and his sounds similar to 220 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.960 mine but also dissimilar in ways. But anyway, yeah, I 221 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.240 don't know where you want to go from there. 222 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.480 But well, I mean I know you have a bone 223 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.799 to pick about some of the things that I have 224 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.600 either said or have included in the first two episodes. 225 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.519 I don't. I don't have a bone to pick with it. 226 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.039 I think it's it's just a different perspective to ad 227 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.399 because I think that if even if you're a Christian, 228 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:10.720 but even if you're not, that this isn't to me, 229 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:20.279 And in my opinion, this isn't demonic necessarily. Can it be? Yeah? 230 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.120 Does it have to be? It's just like anything else. 231 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.679 There's elements to it that it's not just like black 232 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:33.039 and white, like if you're experiencing sleep paralysis, your opening 233 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.320 doorways for demons. I don't think it's just that cut 234 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.320 and dry. 235 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.159 Well, if you'll remember, in the second episode, I did 236 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.360 include a snippet from him. I don't know. He sounded 237 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.399 Irish or no, he sounded like he was like Scottish 238 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.559 or Irish or something like that. And he was talking 239 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:57.080 about how hallucinogens opened him up to seeing these and 240 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.480 there's like a hierarchy of like entities that can come 241 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.240 through and say what did you think about his summary? 242 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.320 Well, as we get religious. To me, he didn't. But 243 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.679 and I'm telling you right now. The further I got 244 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.559 into this, I walk parallel with that guy in a 245 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:18.679 way because the very first time I defeated my sleep 246 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.919 paralysis and I actually fucking went through I had been 247 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:32.360 doing doses of DMT and mushrooms. I wouldn't say frequently, 248 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:37.120 but pretty consistently, like once or twice, maybe three times 249 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:37.840 a month. 250 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.919 And DMT three times a month. 251 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.279 Well, it were much. I mean, I've probably done DMT 252 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:53.440 dozens of times. But as far as no, I don't 253 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.679 condone it, and I also don't think that it's as 254 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.200 evil as everybody else does. I do think the movement 255 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.480 right now that's like a sequel to mk Ulter, a 256 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.920 spin off of it with Joe Rogan and a lot 257 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.839 I mean shit, Sam tripleis selling microdoses of chocolate bars 258 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.359 called Brain Supreme, and the guy actually came on his 259 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.680 show a few weeks ago and said that he's been 260 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:22.400 communicating with a god Ai se So. But psychedelics have 261 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.400 helped me immensely, and they've also let me know that 262 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:31.640 I was done, and I would like to do them again. 263 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.279 Given the right opportunity camping something like that, I would 264 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.480 do it again. But I don't feel like I need it. 265 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.519 Not that I needed it back then, but I definitely 266 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.039 was able to let go of a lot of shit 267 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:48.079 that I was holding onto, including the darkness that I 268 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.799 experienced when I tried to embrace Christianity and the fear 269 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.160 that it instilled in me. And I was crippled by 270 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.599 that for years. And I think that being a Christian 271 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.599 to some people is having a relationship with Christ. Other 272 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.599 people are more dogmatic and fundamental about it, and they're 273 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:12.039 probably more likely to think that this stuff is always demonic. 274 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:16.960 The aliens are demons. It's either demons or Nephilim's that are, 275 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.680 you know, the root cause of everything. And I mean 276 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.160 there is like vlidity to a lot of that. And 277 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.200 I think the Bible and a lot of older texts 278 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:28.440 have an accurate, you know, representation of a lot of 279 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:29.480 things that were going on. 280 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.119 Well, I mean, this is a component to our relationship 281 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.960 that makes us so interesting because you know how I 282 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.960 feel about everything like that. But at the same time, 283 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.720 I do still remain open minded for someone who would 284 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:48.960 consider themselves to be a Christian. 285 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.200 Well, like I said, it's a I think it's a 286 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.119 big scale of what a Christian is. 287 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.240 I don't even know if I like using that word because. 288 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.359 There's nothing wrong with the word it's. 289 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.240 But it's got such a stigma attached to well, and 290 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.039 another thing because of people who are crazy. And just 291 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.720 so you know, when I was doing the research for 292 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.640 this into the further series, most of the people who 293 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:16.680 had an interesting outlook and perspective happened to be Christian. 294 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:23.319 It's not like I went necessarily looking just or Christian perspective. 295 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.640 Like the Irish guy or whatever. He didn't sound religious 296 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.920 at all to me. And I included that snippet in. 297 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.039 There, But no, and I don't I never said that 298 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.759 that was the only perspective that you offered up. 299 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.519 But I'm happy to hear your side of things. 300 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:38.000 Well, of course that's what you had me on. 301 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:45.359 I would consider the word demon and the word entity synonymous. 302 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:47.000 Does that make you feel better? 303 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.279 Oh, I don't have a beef with However, you look 304 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:51.359 at what. 305 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.680 A demon is, do you feel that those two things 306 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.240 can be synonymous? An entity, a dark entity, a demon? 307 00:19:58.599 --> 00:19:58.720 Like? 308 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.880 What what are you you? Like? Are you trying to 309 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.359 say like there are no demons? Or you're saying like 310 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:06.559 what are your thoughts? 311 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:09.720 Uh? I also think we've got we touched on this 312 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.480 a little bit in Blood Ties because we were talking. 313 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.000 About like, did I ask you this already? 314 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.680 Well, I just we were talking about demon possession. Oh 315 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.480 and when your mind is opened up to something, something 316 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.240 else has to step in. And I look at it 317 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:32.880 like the secret societies, the old school clubs that eventually 318 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:38.720 became the government and the intelligence agencies have been fucking 319 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.480 around with some dark force. Christians want to go straight 320 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:47.400 to demonic. Uh. You know, every sect is going to 321 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.440 have their word for it, and I think it's a 322 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:56.119 real thing. I don't believe any faith that claims to 323 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.680 have like a monopoly on understanding what these dark forces are. 324 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:04.319 I don't think the Bible alone can you know, offer 325 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:09.880 up a thorough explanation. I think experiencing it is pretty 326 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.880 much the only way to really know it. And if 327 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.319 I had stuck with my Christian beliefs, I think that 328 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.680 there's things that I've seen and that have happened to 329 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.920 me that I would call demnic. But whatever the word 330 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:22.839 you want to use for it, Yeah, I do definitely 331 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:28.200 believe in something that can hijack and step in possess. 332 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.680 Do you the CIA works with it? They use it 333 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.880 in their monarch programming. Yes, they do the program to 334 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.519 kill killers. I think there's a component of it in there. 335 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.960 Some of them were just flat out created characters. Others 336 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.839 of them were actually like steered into being what they 337 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.279 were by whatever means. I mean, yes, we all know 338 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.279 the stories. Anybody that's listened to your podcasts, Well, would you. 339 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.799 Say that there either when you when you were doing DMT, 340 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.079 you feel like you had a negative experience? Is dark? 341 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:07.759 Oh yeah, I've had the best and the worst that 342 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.680 my mind has to offer served me on a platter 343 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:15.960 that when it's happening. This is what scares people about psychedelics. 344 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:19.880 It's also what draws people to psychedelics. Some people are adventurers. 345 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:21.759 Some people are like, that's not for me. I think 346 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:23.759 I look at it like fucking I would never go 347 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.319 bungee jumping or fucking skydiving. Fuck that I would. 348 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:27.920 I would never. 349 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.920 I would smoke DMT and feel like I would never 350 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:38.119 do that. Well, I recommend doing what you feel comfortable doing. 351 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.359 Don't eat mushrooms because you saw Joe Rugan doing it 352 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.799 or because you heard somebody on a podcast talk about it. 353 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.160 These things are powerful, These things shouldn't be fucked with 354 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.000 they shouldn't be sold as candy bars on conspiracy podcasts. 355 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:54.720 I thank you for clarifying. Well, I do not think 356 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:56.160 there's something to be tribal with. 357 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:58.079 I mean, you know this about me, and I don't 358 00:22:58.119 --> 00:22:59.640 know if I've talked about it on your show, but 359 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.119 when I was going through all this shit, shortly after 360 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.400 I wanted to make a fucking documentary about psychedelics. 361 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.720 Well, why do you think, like in ancient cultures it 362 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:17.440 was reserved only for the shaman because and not just 363 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:22.119 the lay person, because they had to like be some 364 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.880 type of upper echelon. Motherfuckerss understand how. 365 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:30.400 To there is that, But there was also mushroom cults 366 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.880 mushroom you could call them tribes. 367 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.240 But like ancient cultures I'm talking about, I am too, okay. 368 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.319 And there's the variation. 369 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.759 Of the ayahuasca. 370 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.119 Ayahuasca's got several variations of how it's been used to 371 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.640 but just in general, the shaman on the hill having 372 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.960 the visions, doing the trips, destroying their body through these 373 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.200 fucking trips, through other realms, doing it to hill other people, 374 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.400 that's one component of it. But there's also sacraments among 375 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.079 the people. There was a fucking tribe in Siberia that 376 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:09.720 would eat amanita mscaria mushrooms and then they would piss. 377 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.279 So the high, the head up guy in the tribe 378 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.759 would fucking eat it first. The guy below him would 379 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.680 drink his piss. The guy below him would drink his piss, 380 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:21.319 and so you would trip lesser and lesser. I mean, 381 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.359 I always that one always stuck out to me, and 382 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.279 you could drink rain there piss, and it's actually better 383 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.079 to drink the piss of somebody that's eaten that mushroom 384 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.200 because it's poisonous and like it's almost a filter when 385 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:35.880 you're litt evan. 386 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.440 You laughed at me for doing your in therapy? 387 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.519 Did I say this, Jedi? Did I say that I 388 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.799 did this? I'm intrigued by it. 389 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.440 You know what, I'm try some shambabu off piss in 390 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:48.880 a cup right now. You can try it. 391 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.519 Well, you should eat an amanita muscara first. 392 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.119 My iron is especially potent right now. 393 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.720 So yeah, I mean I would say that to the Akadelics. 394 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.119 For me, they worked out. I've seen people lose their 395 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.400 minds on them also, so I don't say fuck around 396 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:13.079 with them. Willy Nelly. I think that I mean, I read. 397 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:19.000 So much about experience the first time, Well. 398 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.880 This could fucking become its own episode. 399 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:26.559 I just want you to say it because it was captivating. 400 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:31.680 Well in me, it's basically to me when I was younger, 401 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:36.160 and I would the experience was more fresh. I used 402 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.640 to really want to tell people because it's something that 403 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:49.559 gave me complete comfort. And I'm a hundred percent convinced 404 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.960 that this is all whatever you want to call it. 405 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.079 Some people call it a simulation, some people call it 406 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:03.319 a spiritual experience, whether it's you came here to get saved. Sorry, 407 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.920 I just I find it captivating that all a lot 408 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.079 of Christians are all against the Satanic panic blood ritual stuff, 409 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.279 you know, and the religion. The way most people celebrate 410 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:24.920 it is you're worshiping a blood sacrifice. That is what 411 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.480 the Christian faith is based on. It doesn't have to 412 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.559 be that way. Catholicism in particular, they get all fucking 413 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.440 pornographic with the goddamn crucifixion, Like that's what this is now. 414 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.079 And I mean that I'm getting off track here, but 415 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.799 I just think that to demonize psychedelics and having your 416 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.079 own spiritual experience without having the middleman of the church. 417 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.920 I have an issue with that, but I've also fuck. 418 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.960 When I was doing all these drugs, I had a 419 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.640 preacher in the town I was living reach out to 420 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.759 me through a handwritten letter. I got it in the melon. 421 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.680 He've heard that I was the leader of some psychedelic occult. 422 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.880 I don't know if I've told you this. 423 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.880 This is into the cult, into the further. 424 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:15.000 Well, anyway, the point of this the point, No, it's 425 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.359 a joke, but the but the point, I mean, it's 426 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.359 not a joke that really happened. But the point is 427 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.079 that guy was so open minded. He was a devout Christian. 428 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.559 He told me he didn't believe in hell. He told 429 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.920 me that the Bible was more like a guide book 430 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.839 and that had been fucking translated so many times. And 431 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.599 he understood about the Vatican. He understood all that stuff. 432 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.960 And he was just like, I believe in love and forgiveness. 433 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.039 I believe in the things Jesus taught. I read passages 434 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.599 out of the Bible that I find help bring the 435 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:50.319 message of love and light. And I told him all 436 00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.559 about my drug trips and he was just he was 437 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.240 just listening for hours, and he didn't think I was 438 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.000 fucking with anything demonic either. 439 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.519 But you felt unconditional love the first time you did 440 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:02.960 d MT. 441 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.079 I wouldn't call it that was what would you? 442 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.599 How would you describe it? That's what I want you 443 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:11.160 to say. 444 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.000 I would okay, So do you really want to take 445 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:16.039 the episode this way? 446 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.039 I just I have a point I'm trying to make, 447 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.119 and I need you to describe it. First. 448 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.559 Well, I know what people call unconditional love, and I 449 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:33.119 just think that that carries a woo woo kind of 450 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:40.000 there's a there's a stigma I guess attached to me. No, 451 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.319 but I have it because. 452 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.039 Experienced it in my life. 453 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.759 I know what it is good because a lot of 454 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:51.440 people never have. And I've had many experiences that I 455 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:58.039 would call unconditional love. Me too, my son. Uh, it's 456 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.000 just one of those experiences like if you're holding a 457 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:04.599 newborn baby, that is yours. But that's not what I 458 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.599 experienced on DMT. I experienced a trip through all of 459 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.240 existence and it was just I was in a tunnel. 460 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.920 I just got shot right out of my body. I 461 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.839 got to see everything in this reality turn into like 462 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.400 three d legos before just vaporizing, and then I was 463 00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:29.519 just and I just hit that DMT fucking hard, and 464 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.720 I haven't been able to do it since. I don't 465 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.559 think I'll ever be able to do this again because 466 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.759 it's such an experience that you just hesitate. So when 467 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.599 I said I've done it these dozens of times, I've 468 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:45.000 only had breakthrough experiences like under five. But anyway, it's 469 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.039 like a it's it's kind of mundane to describe it, 470 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.880 but I ended up traveling through all these fucking you 471 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.839 would call them hallucinations, I don't believe they are, and 472 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.279 I don't know where I was going. I don't know 473 00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.359 if I was going into my own DNA. I don't 474 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.119 know if I literally really left this plane. But that's 475 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:02.839 what it feels like. 476 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.599 Did you see entities, Yes, what did they say? 477 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.599 Nothing? I was just watching them fucking work. But that's 478 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.319 at the end of the trip. So when I go 479 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:17.079 through this tunnel and the hallucine in your nations are crazy. 480 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:24.160 It's like kaleidoscopic, mathematical, just that the most psychedelic visuals 481 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:31.559 you could ever imagine, but also very coded, like I 482 00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.920 can see why people think this is a simulation. I 483 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.480 can see the thing that Jonathan Jacob talk about, this 484 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.880 guy who has this red laser pointer and they can 485 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.640 see the code when they smoke DMT. And he's doing 486 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:46.559 this with like hundreds of people. And for me, when 487 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:52.640 I got through that tunnel, what people I think that 488 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.640 have seen this and say it's unconditional left to me, 489 00:30:54.680 --> 00:31:01.119 it's like it's everything and nothing at the same time, 490 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:07.039 everything that's ever existed is there. Everyone. You don't see them, 491 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.960 but you feel it, and you know that this is home. 492 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.920 All this, the place that I just was like fucking 493 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.759 shot out of a cannon from, is the trip. And 494 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:23.720 I know people are gonna say that's gnostic. I know 495 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.039 people are gonna say that's like a simulation. I don't. 496 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.720 I can't break it down into simple terms. But this 497 00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.440 is the trip, and we're supposed to be here. We're 498 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.440 supposed to be doing what we're doing. We're supposed to 499 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.720 experience everything we're experiencing. It's all okay, the worst things imaginable, 500 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.559 it's all okay. We're like probably coming back time and 501 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:48.599 time again in different ways. But when you're there, it doesn't. 502 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.920 You don't feel like a person, you don't really feel 503 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.240 like anything, but you're just everything. People call it one 504 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.039 love or one conditional love and yeah love, Sure, that 505 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.680 was there. Everything was there. But when I got back 506 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.119 and I saw the recreation and destruction of the universe 507 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.519 when I was coming back to my body, and it 508 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.160 was just visions that I could go on for several 509 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:19.400 minutes describing. But it's hard to describe it. It's hard 510 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.960 to remember it, and you almost like only remember it 511 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.559 because you think about it a lot and tell the 512 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.720 story to other people. Having a psychedelic experience is just 513 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.680 impossible to imagine what it's like until you do it. 514 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.960 But when I got back to my body, so I 515 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.160 saw all this, and then I was just hovering above 516 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.119 our level of existence, and I saw a guy sitting 517 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.480 cross legged and a few people standing behind him talking, 518 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.759 and the person sitting down said, holy fuck, and I 519 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.079 realized that's me. As soon as I realized that was me, 520 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.559 I was back to my body and the visuals were 521 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.000 still really psychedelic, but they faded away rather quickly. I'd 522 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.680 say within five minutes. I felt completely normal again. But 523 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.000 I haven't looked at the world the same since, and 524 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.759 I've tried to recreate it. I've hesitated trying to recreate it, 525 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.680 and I don't think I ever need to recreate it. 526 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:23.000 Having it once is enough and I think we'll probably 527 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.079 have it again when we die. 528 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.680 But do you think even though you had an overwhelmingly 529 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.960 positive experience. 530 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.599 With that, but it was the most intense experience of 531 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.759 my life. I would say, when you do enough DMT, 532 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.720 you lose the ability to be scared. If you do 533 00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:46.359 a little, it's terrifying. I always told people when we 534 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.279 were like if it was someone's first time, and back 535 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.480 when I was in a cult, but I would just say, 536 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.119 if you want this experience to be like as big 537 00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.319 as possible, just go hard. What if you don't, I mean, 538 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.279 it gets I've seen people they get scared because they 539 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.679 stay here, but everything just gets crazy, like your most 540 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.119 intense mushroom trip ever, and it comes on instantly. 541 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:14.360 It's horrifying. 542 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.039 It can be I've been scared shitless before. 543 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:22.000 So the reason I asked you to describe it is 544 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:26.360 because do you And if the answer is no, then 545 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:30.239 so be it. But do you feel like doing something 546 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.599 like that you could possibly bring back a hitchhiker? 547 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.079 Yes, I do. 548 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.920 Positive or a negative one. 549 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.960 Any you know scale going from negative to positive to neutral. Yeah, 550 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.880 I've seen it. I've seen it. Happen to people. I 551 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:50.719 don't know if it was the psychedelics that did it. 552 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.840 The fact is, you know all the fucking research that 553 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.480 the CIA and everybody back in the fifties and sixties 554 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.519 were doing on this stuff. This is really fucking new 555 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.480 to this day. There's people that like our parents' age, 556 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.079 that were alive when LSD came into mainstream culture. So 557 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.360 and we all know where that stuff can go. We 558 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:20.079 know the all the negative baggage of that fucking that revolution. 559 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.599 And then you know, whether you believe and they split 560 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.320 the atom or not, those two things happened. So you know, 561 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.320 people say it was the universe's answer to the atom 562 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.320 bomb was LSD, But then that became the atom bomb 563 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.280 of the mind because it got into people that wanted 564 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.880 to weaponize it and control us. But you could also use 565 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.800 these things to open people's minds up to in ways 566 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.559 they wouldn't they wouldn't have access to otherwise. And I'm 567 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.000 also hearing people now start to say that they're going 568 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.599 to give people psychedelic experiences using AI virtual reality, and 569 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.599 I'm going this could be way more dangerous than the 570 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.440 actual drugs, because who's pre programming those things like Peter 571 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.079 Thiel's actes Elon. 572 00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.159 It's also like, what do they want to implant in there? 573 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.679 The same shit that they put in the TV screen 574 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.320 that they've been fucking shooting at us on a small 575 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.519 scale for everybody's, all of our lives. 576 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:22.079 Do you think that you brought back a hitchhiker? Oh, 577 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.840 and maybe that's why your sleep paralysis has turned into 578 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:27.239 something weird. 579 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.800 Well, after I started messing around with psychedelics, I defeated 580 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.840 my sleep paralysis. So if I brought back something, I 581 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:40.119 mean when I was young, my you know, through fifteen 582 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:47.000 through twenty one, those were my years of fear. I 583 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.480 was still like in the grips of everything I looked 584 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.239 into with Christianity, and I still am not against christ 585 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:55.079 in any fashion. 586 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.199 It just saddens me, and I don't want a tangent 587 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.920 too far, but it saddens me that that was your experience, 588 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.039 because I had such an overwhelmingly positive experience. Like you, 589 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.559 you did this DMT or whatever, and you felt like 590 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:16.000 it released you from fear and from bondage to Christianity, 591 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.840 and I feel like it freed me. Sure, I just 592 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.079 I think people sad that that's your experience. 593 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.559 Well, people are freed by different things. See in my 594 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.719 in my belief system, which is ever changing. I don't 595 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.719 think that anybody's going to burn in hell for believing 596 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.800 in the wrong system. 597 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:40.360 I don't think hell is what anyone perceives it to be. 598 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.599 Well, I don't, And what I'm arguing isn't what I 599 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:48.960 think your perspective is. I just know that a large 600 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:55.159 presence in modern day Christianity is overly Catholic and its 601 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.599 attachment to propaganda, the Satanic panic stuff, which is real, 602 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.360 but it's also a part of the program. 603 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.400 I think the Vatican is ran by Satanists. 604 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.480 Of course, that's there's no question. 605 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.159 That I can't, I don't even want to, but bring 606 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.159 those assholes up. 607 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.599 Most religions are Catholic light there are exceptions, don't get 608 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.440 me wrong. And like you and I have had this 609 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:20.280 conversation before, and you know, you were pretty straightforward with 610 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.119 asking me if I thought I could bring some hitchhikers back. 611 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.920 But I've told you before the like speaking in tongues 612 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.119 and shit. I think that that opens doorways just as much. 613 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:32.679 I think that it's. 614 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.079 An interesting conversation to have because I don't know if 615 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.159 I've ever said that I think I have on podcasts 616 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.119 before that that's the type of denomination I grew up. 617 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.840 I heard you say that on a podcast. 618 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.599 Before I knew you say good, I have said it. 619 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.360 I didn't. I wasn't spilling the beans, Pentecastle. 620 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.400 Pente Castle. We did my entire family. Sometimes. You know 621 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.800 what's odd about it, though, and you know so. I 622 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.360 don't like to split hairs or anything or say my 623 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.039 family special, but when everyone would in my grandpa's church 624 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.679 would start breaking out speaking in tongues. I never got 625 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.800 the creeps when my family did it, but there was 626 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.239 like random people that would come to the church and 627 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.559 start doing it, and I would get like freaked out 628 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.400 and like get chills and like feel weird and feel 629 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:26.679 nasty when they did it. 630 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.480 Well, let's think of it like this, the psychedelic thing 631 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.119 we were talking about. There's doors that can be opened 632 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.280 in many ways. Just like with psychedelics. You can bring 633 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.639 back some dark shit. You can go to some dimensions 634 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.480 that maybe you really don't belong in, and maybe all 635 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.679 of them are dimensions you don't belong in, and maybe 636 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:51.679 we shouldn't be eating them. I'm open to that too. 637 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.440 I've done a lot of shit that I shouldn't have 638 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.559 done to me. Psychedelics don't feel like they did any 639 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.559 They did way more good than they did. But I 640 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.079 know that's not always the case. And I never would 641 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.039 like tell people like you just need to do mushrooms, 642 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.880 bro I wouldn't broke in them because I think there's 643 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.440 certain types of people that should have an experience. I 644 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.840 think it would help a lot of people, but I 645 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.920 also think a lot of people would probably snap. 646 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.559 That's why you were the inspiration behind me starting this 647 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.199 little mini series is because the type of conversation we're 648 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.280 having right now, we have when we're not recording right 649 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.280 and these type of conversations had got me to thinking 650 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:41.960 that the phenomenon itself is fascinating. Sleep paralysis I don't 651 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:47.800 think can be explained as a health problem, no, And 652 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:53.880 it just got me looking into paranormal, spiritual and like 653 00:40:54.519 --> 00:41:00.559 psychedelic experiences that kind of merge into one with sleepers. 654 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:01.039 It's just. 655 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.519 Now it's a good folcal point. 656 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.599 Thaking the different aspects you could look into about it. 657 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.119 I mean, that's why you're my guest tonight is because 658 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:16.280 not only have you experienced sleep paralysis, but you've experienced 659 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.880 the before and after of like DMT and the effect 660 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.800 it had on your sleep paralysis. 661 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.800 Yeah, we could talk about that a little bit too, 662 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.559 if you want, because I, you know, I said it 663 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.599 was fifteen when I had my first experience. I ended 664 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.920 up going to college. I studied film in Arizona, and 665 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.440 it was like a shitty community college in Scottsdale, but 666 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.039 they had a fucking film department and nursing department. There 667 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.079 was like normal college level stuff. And then you like 668 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.360 all these other people doing their pre wrecks, and I 669 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.000 had a lot of I hadn't eaten psychedelics yet, but 670 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.360 I was really expanding my mind in ways that I 671 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.800 wasn't when I I was growing up. Of course, everybody 672 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.000 gets out on their own and they tend to do that, 673 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.400 but I started. I was smoking marijuana very heavily. And 674 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.039 she probably thinks I'm a heavy smoker now, but she 675 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.920 has no idea how much I used to smoke. And 676 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.400 I was having some weirdass experiences. One night in particular, 677 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.639 I fell asleep listening to music and it was like 678 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.840 when I was a little kid at that farmhouse I 679 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.519 was talking about. I was hovering over the speaker. This was, 680 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.079 you know, early two thousands. We didn't have soundbars, but 681 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.519 we had like surround sound and then the main two 682 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.559 front speakers. And I was in the corner of the room, 683 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:49.159 hovering above that and realized that I saw myself asleep 684 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.920 on the couch. And as soon as I realized that 685 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.679 was me, right back into my body woke up. Fine. 686 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.440 Didn't have sleep paralysis on that occasion, but it was 687 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.239 weird fuck. And I used to like get really stoned 688 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.159 and listen to music and I would fucking kind of 689 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.079 start to levitate, but it wasn't my body, but it 690 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.239 would just be like maybe starting to kind of lift, 691 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:18.519 but my body's still in bed. And I looked into 692 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.400 a lot of shit, and I was still kind of 693 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.519 like borderline trying to be a Christian at this point, 694 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.519 and I took some World religion classes. I looked into 695 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.239 all everything I could, and I really just wanted to 696 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:34.719 believe that all Christianity needed to be was about love 697 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.679 and forgiveness, like that guy would tell me later, And 698 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:39.760 if it is for you, that's great, and if it's not, 699 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.360 I don't judge you for any of it. But I 700 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.199 just don't like when it comes with fear. And when 701 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.039 I shed I say I shed like my the grip 702 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.679 that Christianity had on me. It's more accurate to say 703 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:55.599 that I shed my fear of eternal damnation, of needing 704 00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.519 to be saved, of being just peace is a shit 705 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.440 from the day you're born, that need to like have 706 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.000 this blood ritual to go to heaven or whatever. And 707 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:08.960 I know that's cut and dry, but that is what 708 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.039 a lot of people do believe. And if you're a 709 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.800 Christian who doesn't believe in that, great I don't consider 710 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.079 myself a Christian. I just think that there's a lot 711 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.719 of interesting things in the books. Jesus seems like a 712 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.000 pretty cool motherfucker. He to me more seems like a 713 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.719 radical than like a prophet. And maybe a lot of 714 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.960 that stuff did happen, and maybe it didn't. It doesn't 715 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.480 really matter. The word that he spoke is what should 716 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.800 be focused on. So anyway, Uh Now, I didn't do 717 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.880 drugs until after college. Is as far as like psychedelics go. 718 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.679 I was twenty two and I did mushrooms. Had a 719 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.679 crazy experience. It sucked for the first hour I thought 720 00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.559 I was dying, and then when I got over that, 721 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:56.719 it was one of the best experiences I ever had. 722 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.639 It would be probably six months later that I ate 723 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.920 mushrooms again. But in between those two times, I smoke 724 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.639 DMT the first time and then I kind of just 725 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.800 started like doing them on a regular basis. I did 726 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.159 a lot of mescaline. I did a lot of shit 727 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.880 I shouldn't have done. I mean, there's a lot of 728 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.679 like in the black market, there's a lot of these 729 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.079 research chemicals and stuff that they'll take like MDMA and 730 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.400 tweak them all the kills and you'll get two CB 731 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.920 or I mean there's a whole variety of two C whatever. 732 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.199 And some of them are fucking just speed and you 733 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.360 hallucinate and it's not fun. Some of them are great. 734 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.360 You feel you fork. It feels kind of like molly. 735 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.159 But that kind of shit I kind of regret doing. 736 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.440 I had fun a few times, but I'm sure that 737 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.000 I did brand damage at least a little bit. As 738 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.400 far as like eating mushrooms and smoking DMT goes. I 739 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.559 don't regret any of that. Mescaline's great. It's like you 740 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.320 can just totally be with it. I hate LSD always did. 741 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.599 I felt like a locked filine cabinet when mushrooms made 742 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.840 me feel like I was in a meadow and I 743 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.440 saw things that later on, when I was making a 744 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.880 documentary about psychedelics, just I fucking stumbled the name k 745 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:15.400 Ultra always been a conspiracy theory or yeah, conspiracy theory guy. 746 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.519 So as soon as I saw that shit, I stopped 747 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:19.440 the fucking project. I was in the middle of it. 748 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.239 I had gotten like a dozen interviews from these doctors, 749 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:29.400 these professors, these activists. Rick Doblin, for MAPS, was scheduled 750 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.719 to have an interview with me, And now I know 751 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.360 that guy's a piece of shit. Tight end with Joe 752 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.159 Rogan and this new push of the mk ultra. 753 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.199 Stuff in k Ultra slash DMT, well it's a. 754 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.599 Part of it now. And then you're getting all these 755 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.800 other elements of it, like the artificial intelligence virtual reality 756 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.400 shit that they're starting to talk about merging the two together, 757 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.280 which is what Terence McKinnon preached. And he was a 758 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.639 CIA guy, just like Timothy Leary before him with LSD. 759 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.239 And so it does concern me that you see a 760 00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.440 lot of the like I love it for it, there's 761 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.760 a push for it and a push into some pretty 762 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.960 unsavory territory when it could be a positive thing and 763 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.480 I think it's very elementary to sell it on podcasts. 764 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:24.920 Well, so, how did your experiences with hallucinogens affect your 765 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:26.039 sleep paralysis? 766 00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:29.320 So kind of in tandem with like getting out of 767 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.079 high school and going to college, starting to like expand 768 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.280 my horizons, I decided to try to not be afraid 769 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.360 when the sleep paralysis took hold, because back then it 770 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.880 was pretty you know, regular, and like I described with 771 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.760 my first experience, I would always lock up when I 772 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:48.920 would be awake, and I would try to move my body, 773 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:55.599 lock up and start seizing. I never knew if that 774 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.000 was me my body doing that, or that was like 775 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.679 you're having trouble re entering your body or whatever, the fuck. 776 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.639 But I did get it verified twice now, once by you, 777 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.360 and several years ago with my first like serious girlfriend. 778 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:14.960 We were together for six years and when I was 779 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.000 first dating her, we fell asleep on her dad's couch 780 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:25.960 and I had it happen and she freaked out. She 781 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.360 was like Colby, and I could see her shaking me, 782 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.320 trying to wake me, and I couldn't do anything about it. 783 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.000 And then I finally got out of it and pulled 784 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.679 through it, and she was like, what the fuck was 785 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.880 that And I said, that's sleep paralysis and she's like, yeah, 786 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.599 you were like convulsing. I said, I know, I could 787 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.199 see you the whole time. I just can't fucking move 788 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.679 when it's going on. I don't know if my eyes 789 00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:49.159 are closed or open. She said they were closed, but 790 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.079 I could see her. So I always never knew that either, 791 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.920 like were my eyes closed or open? And with you, 792 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.599 something similar happened, like I don't know, around the end 793 00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.320 of last year, after you'd been living here for a 794 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.440 few months. Do you remember. 795 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.400 You told me, well, go ahead and describe it. 796 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.960 I don't remember exactly which one it was, because there 797 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:11.320 was one night when I was like just sitting straight 798 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.519 up and like throwing my arms up and stuff. Yeah, 799 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:18.480 and then there was another one where you've I had 800 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.400 my back to you and I was convulsing like that. Yes, 801 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.039 So I don't know, like what, well, you told me. 802 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.000 In one episode you tried to take me with you. 803 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.360 Yeah, but this is not one of the times that 804 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.280 you saw me having it. But so that's kind of 805 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.840 getting ahead because now that I have control of the 806 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.920 sleep paralysis, I can like play with it, and I 807 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.159 know that these fucking guys that are more Christian think 808 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.639 that's dangerous. But I'll tell you what's dangerous to me 809 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.239 is when I fight it and I'm scared and I 810 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.360 fucking have a seizure. 811 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.599 Have you ever heard voices telling you to kill me? 812 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:06.400 Or no? But John Lennon just like Butters, Oh my god. Uh. 813 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:13.400 I So I know that something's up because there's things 814 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.840 that happen even when I don't have sleep paralysis, where 815 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.960 I'm starting to drift to sleep and I'm not quite asleep, 816 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:27.360 not quite awake. I hear people having conversations talking about 817 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.320 shit that I wouldn't be able to imagine, just like 818 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.880 random people's names like I did. And sometimes there are 819 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.400 voices I like think I recognize them. Sometimes it's like 820 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.360 I don't know who the fuck that is. Sometimes it's 821 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.239 not English, and it's just like weird babble. 822 00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:42.920 When you're drowsing off. 823 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:47.800 Yes, and that thing sometimes during sleep paralysis is like 824 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.800 screaming at me. And it's mainly when i'm fighting it, 825 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.719 like then I'm doing the convulscene, Like I hear like 826 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.800 screams and these people it's like the show Legion that 827 00:50:58.840 --> 00:50:59.400 we watched. 828 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.519 I don't feel like this is torment. 829 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.199 It can be, but I haven't had these bad experiences 830 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.960 with it for years. It used to be tormented, Yeah 831 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.519 it was, and now it's like something that happens. And 832 00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.400 when it does, sometimes I play with it and have 833 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.639 fun and I start lucid dreaming. One thing I can 834 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.639 do is start lucid dreaming on command. After I break 835 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.719 through sleep paralysis, I know I'm not awake. I can 836 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.719 do anything I want. And for some reason, I usually 837 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.599 fly like I'll just start flying, like I'm a fucking 838 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.760 little boy, and I'm so scared of heights and flying, 839 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:40.480 but in that I could feel completely safe. But the 840 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.519 first time that I ever had a lucid dream where 841 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:44.480 I decided to fly, this is kind of funny. I 842 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.159 work at a place where I have to move around 843 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.760 shit with a forklift and I have to it's very mundane, 844 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:56.159 and just move palettes and shit. And I was in 845 00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.800 the dream knowing it was a dream, and I was 846 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.519 on my forklift at work and I was like, this 847 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.960 is a dream, and I just turned the fucking forklift 848 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.519 into like a I don't know, like a helicopter or something. 849 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.039 It just floated and I went over downtown Ashland, where 850 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.800 the town I work in and I like saw buildings 851 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.000 I recognized, and it felt so fucking real, but I 852 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.360 knew it was a dream. And so I've done that 853 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.039 many times, and I've done other things. I've gone to 854 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.360 concerts and shit like I want to see this band 855 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.400 singing this song, and I'll go watch that. 856 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.920 And you said one night. What freaks me out is 857 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:39.239 because you said, one night you could hear me dreaming. 858 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.400 Just my mind, I could hear your thoughts. It seemed 859 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.960 like because I asked you what it's like to be 860 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.800 inside your head and you said, well, I said, because 861 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.760 last night I was slipping into sleep and it sounded 862 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.400 like your voice, but it was just like several thoughts 863 00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:58.800 overlapping each other to the point where it was just 864 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.320 like hard to keep track of and it was your voice. 865 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.400 Well, that's an actual accurate description of what it's like 866 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.199 to be in my mind. But so do you feel 867 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.719 like when you're leaving your body in this way, like 868 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.079 this is astral projecting? 869 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.559 I think sometimes it is. I think sometimes I'm actually dreaming, 870 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.760 and it's hard to tell the difference. But the first 871 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.519 time this happened, and this is the time that I 872 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.360 defeated the sleep paralysis I didn't site it at all. 873 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.119 And it's also the most intense experiences I've ever had 874 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.440 with it, kind of like the first time I smoked 875 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.320 the MTAM I first left. Okay, so in a nutshell, 876 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.480 that same ex girlfriend that I was telling you about. 877 00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:44.159 I was asleep in their guest room and it was 878 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.280 right on the edge of a creek in the forest, 879 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.000 like this guy's backyard was the forest. And we had 880 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.880 been doing a lot of mushrooms, like you know, every 881 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.440 few days we would go out, just do a little 882 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.840 bit and then we would trip big. But this was 883 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.159 like on a break, hadn't done in a while all. 884 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:07.440 But I fell asleep and everything just turned real visual 885 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.400 as I started to fall asleep, and I heard noises 886 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.960 coming from outside, and I tried to wake up, and 887 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:23.159 I had the paraly sensation, and I was very calm, 888 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:28.199 and I just said, I don't need to move, I'm breathing. 889 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.320 I know I'm breathing. I'm still alive. And I just 890 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.719 kind of like calmly talked myself through it. And then 891 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.440 that seizure feeling that usually is like when I fight it, 892 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:44.360 it just started like shaking my whole body. And then 893 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.000 I rose above my body. I rose right above my 894 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.599 chest and I had that three sixty vision and I 895 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.320 just started like hearing the spinning noise, just going whoa, 896 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.199 and it just got faster and faster until I was 897 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.960 a hum and I'm like thinking, this is intense, but 898 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.840 I've made it this far. I'm not going to back 899 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.840 out now. And then just everything just kind of lit up. 900 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.079 And I was hovering in that bedroom and I went 901 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.920 down the hallway, went through the kitchen doorway, and my 902 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.679 girlfriend and her dad were sitting on the couch. But 903 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.440 it wasn't them. It was like very similar people to them. 904 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.719 Their hair was different and I kind of like just 905 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.559 hovered around in front of them. They couldn't see me. 906 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.239 They were watching TV and it was like Oprah, but 907 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.159 it wasn't Oprah. It was like another Oprah that doesn't 908 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.639 exist here, but it's just like an Oprah esque person. 909 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.440 And they were like laughing and he like patted her 910 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:50.119 on the leg and he really did that. That was 911 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.400 something he did. But I mean it was like a 912 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.840 variation of them. And this is before all the fucking 913 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.039 Marvel shit. So when all that shit started getting big, 914 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.639 I could actually explain this to people better, like I 915 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.480 really feel like I was like a neighboring dimension that 916 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.400 was real similar to ours, but also different in a 917 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.239 lot of ways. It was the same house, but it 918 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.079 really wasn't. Things were different, just minute details were off. 919 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.599 And that time I floated right back to my body 920 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.519 and I woke up just totally peacefully. And from then on, 921 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.719 very few times do I fight it. Every once in 922 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.760 a while, to this day, I will fight it. And 923 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.840 the last time it happened was, like I said, it 924 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.960 was at your family's house. 925 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:35.320 What happened. 926 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.519 I I haven't told you the details of this just 927 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.559 because I don't want you to think I'm saying anything negative. 928 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:45.559 About my team. 929 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:51.519 Well, just this experience because it was freaky and I 930 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.079 feel kind of weird talking about it really. 931 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.559 I mean, yeah, okay. 932 00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:03.239 So just some vague backstory to not get too personal. 933 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.280 Julia and two of her cousins that are sisters to 934 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.920 each other and myself we're all talking one night and 935 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:18.159 we were talking about some dark ass family history and 936 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:23.119 like demonic stuff came up, and that night it didn't happen. 937 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.400 I mean, we were traveled into the night. 938 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.400 Yeah, And then the next night we hadn't been talking 939 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.440 about it, at all, but I was on a weird 940 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:38.320 schedule because we were in the Eastern time zone three 941 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.119 hour difference, and I just we're there for four days, 942 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:43.679 so I decided to not sit so I would go 943 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.760 to bed at like five and just watch shit. But 944 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.480 on our last night there, I turned the TV off, 945 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:52.639 thinking I should get some sleep before we get up 946 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.519 to the head of the airport. And I was kind 947 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.320 of in a loopy mood, you know how you feel 948 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:01.000 when you're like traveling and like not sleeping in your 949 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:06.639 own bed. And I was laying like with on my 950 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:11.639 stomach with my arm up under my pillow, and I 951 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.039 just felt like it normally does, drifting to sleep. And 952 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.960 then all of a sudden, like there was a bolt, 953 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.719 like a jolt through my entire body, and I kind 954 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.840 of had my hand sticking out. It's like one of 955 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.039 those headboards that's like a metal frame that you can 956 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.079 like dangle your arm through. But there was a wall 957 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.000 there and my hand was kind of between the wall 958 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.800 and the handrail or the headboard rail, and something grabbed it, 959 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:46.679 like and I couldn't move, and I felt heard it 960 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.159 just it was like it just said demon and I 961 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.679 thought it had me and I was like, this is 962 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:58.079 fucking bad, like like we're not home, I'm gonna get up, 963 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.199 like and I don't even know if it was really 964 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.800 a demon, but I remember having these thoughts like this 965 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:05.800 is this would be so fucked up if I let 966 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:10.639 a demon possess me where we're visiting her family, my god, 967 00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:17.920 and there's like her cousins, they're like high school age 968 00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.639 or your second cousins. They're like asleep in the next rooms. 969 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.679 And I'm like, I can't get possessed by Like what 970 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:26.800 if I make what if I make a scene? 971 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.880 What if you go ronde fayo and shoot my whole family? 972 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.880 I don't know, but I just fought it. 973 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.440 Like it was touching me. 974 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.440 It was grabbing my wrist and pulling, and I had 975 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.719 that sleep paralysis sensation where like I was just fucking convulsive. 976 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.920 Told me, I told told you I had sleep paralysis 977 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:49.079 and it was bad. I didn't give you any details 978 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:54.360 about it until now, But honey, beyond, I think it 979 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.320 was something there because wherever I. 980 00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.559 Am, well it's in her house, is in the middle 981 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:00.599 of nowhere, it's. 982 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.960 In the middle of like Amish country. Yeah, so what's 983 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.519 gone on there? Well, what fucking burial ground did your 984 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.280 fucking cousin build her house on because I I don't know, 985 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.519 Like I don't want to say, like, I have like 986 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.119 a doorway that I can take with me wherever I go. 987 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.360 And we're actually watching a movie about this right now, 988 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.960 where this little kid when he dreams he opened the door, 989 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.519 he changes reality for those around him. It's a Flannagan movie, 990 01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:29.920 Mike Flanning it but we haven't finished it yet. But yeah, 991 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.280 like insidious and stuff like. I could see why people 992 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.320 just roll with this element of it because I don't 993 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.320 think I'd be able to live there, like in the house. 994 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.960 If in my cousin's house. 995 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:42.960 This is where I was sleeping that night, I don't 996 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:44.639 want to sleep there ever. Again, do you. 997 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.280 Think it had something to do with what we were 998 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:52.079 talking about the night before? Probably because we were dressing 999 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:58.360 some real serious issues, Yes, and in my family, but 1000 01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.519 about demons. 1001 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:05.559 Yeah, it was a bizarre experience. It was unique, and 1002 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.159 I'm not serious, Like, if we go visit your family again, 1003 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.079 I'll sleep there, but I might just take some fucking 1004 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.639 speed or something to stay awake. 1005 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:18.039 I always sleep on the couch. I've never felt comfortable 1006 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:23.519 sleeping in that bedroom alone. I've always wanted to sleep 1007 01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:27.840 on the couch. That was the first trip I've ever 1008 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.360 been to her house where I've slept in that room. 1009 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.079 You moved on up bringing home a man hit the bed, But. 1010 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.719 I mean, so, so how long did that last? 1011 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:41.840 A while? Really? Well, I mean these are all it's 1012 01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:46.000 like psychedelics and these these whatever fucking realms. These are 1013 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.559 that you can experience in sleep paralysis and like when 1014 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.519 you work with it and leave. And I'm not telling 1015 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.840 anybody to try this and to like surrender to your 1016 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:55.760 sleep paralysis if you're scared of it and you don't 1017 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:57.519 want to face it. But don't that be. 1018 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.480 Your advice though? To someone who's tear of. 1019 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.880 Having it, Well, the thing that makes it terrifying is 1020 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:05.639 fighting it. 1021 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.639 What if they're having like what you saw at my 1022 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.000 cousin's house every night, well, fuck it, surrendered to it. 1023 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.239 I don't know. I'm glad that I don't your advice. 1024 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.320 I mean this, boo, go live with your grandma. Hope 1025 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:24.480 it's better there, But you know, I don't. Maybe it 1026 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:27.880 was just like a combination of things. Maybe that was 1027 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.119 my interpretation of the experience, but it was like I 1028 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.119 never have the idea of like a demon. 1029 01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:35.960 I'm telling you it's real in my family. Do you 1030 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.880 remember the stories of me growing up in my grandma's 1031 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:40.480 house and all the stuff we saw there? 1032 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:45.440 Of course, and my family has it too, like I'm going. 1033 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.159 Julia knows I'm going through something kind of personal with 1034 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.000 my own father, and he has a fucking curse in 1035 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.760 his lineage that he's succumbing to. It seems like and 1036 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:57.800 like it's got me wondering, am I gonna like I 1037 01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.360 crack out at sixty something? 1038 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.079 Broke that away from you? 1039 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.960 Well? Also, my dad has never been a good sleeper, 1040 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:11.840 and I sleep very little four hours a night. I 1041 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:15.559 get my best sleep, like from six in the morning 1042 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.719 to however long I sleep in, But it's hard for me. 1043 01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.559 It's time moved in that you've been getting good sleep. 1044 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:25.599 I've been getting better sleep, but I also don't sleep 1045 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.519 a lot. Like it'll go it'll be like maybe eight 1046 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:32.440 hours one night and then like three nights in a 1047 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.280 earl where I only gets three to four hours of sleep. 1048 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.719 And my dad's in the same way. And I always 1049 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.599 wondered because I heard some about some studies that said 1050 01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.199 the brain damage that happens when you're not getting enough 1051 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:46.320 sleep is like a lot of the cause of dementia 1052 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.800 and Alzheimer's. And these are just theories, but I've heard 1053 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:53.880 enough people say it that it's got me concerns. Yeah, 1054 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.840 but I don't like, you know, I sleep in like 1055 01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:59.000 two or three days a week where I have I 1056 01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.119 can have opportunity to sleep in, and then the other 1057 01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.039 like I just can't go to bed early. So if 1058 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.320 I go to bed late and have to get up early, 1059 01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.199 those are nights where But anyway, yeah, I have slept better. 1060 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.159 The sleep paralysis has been less of a thing since 1061 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.360 you've been here. But I mean I could tell stories 1062 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:19.320 and stories about stuff I've done when I've had sleep paralysis, 1063 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.440 like things that I think I've seen, whether they're dreams, 1064 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:29.400 whether it's astral projection, psychedelic stories. But one in particular 1065 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:35.239 that Julia alluded to earlier, I was having these dreams 1066 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.639 for about a week. And I also had these dreams 1067 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:44.519 before you got here, and it was something about a portal, 1068 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.360 that there's a portal right here, and it's all I know. 1069 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.039 It's a week our well, like somewhere back here and 1070 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:57.000 like in our studio. But this is just I don't 1071 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.519 mean you to think I believe this is real. 1072 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.199 Okay, let's just say really saying in the studio are you. 1073 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.360 Saying don't know where it is. This is a recurring 1074 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.679 dream that I've had for years since I've lived in here. 1075 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.559 It's like in this house. Yes, it's like a David 1076 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:16.840 Lynch type dream. It's surreal. There's weird noises, things just 1077 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.760 aren't normal. And I always see a guy with a 1078 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:22.079 cowboy hat standing in front of the house, and then 1079 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:25.760 I see a woman like pushing a wagon, and she says, 1080 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.760 protect the portal, and they both look back here like 1081 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.679 from our front, like if you're standing where we park, 1082 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.360 like on the sidewalk behind the car. They're like looking 1083 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.840 back towards the backyard or this end of the house 1084 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.079 like this, she says that, and then they look. And 1085 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:52.679 then when you moved here, it started turning into somebody's coming. 1086 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.840 They're on their way, and we got to get the 1087 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:02.480 fuck out of here, and it's real currying. I told 1088 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.000 you if we did this podcast, I was gonna say 1089 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.880 some shit that may upset you. And you thought I 1090 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.199 was going to other places. I bet I did. Like 1091 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.119 I didn't want to scare you. But you wanted to 1092 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:19.559 have out. No, like in the dream, just like in the. 1093 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.679 Dream of the poor, we need to get the fuck out. 1094 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.159 This is the same atmosphere, and no, I have that feeling. 1095 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:28.639 I have this foreknowledge in the dream. I'm aware. I 1096 01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:30.360 don't know how I know it. I don't know if 1097 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.199 I got a phone call, because the dream just starts 1098 01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.760 right there, like you're here, oh cowboy. No, that's the 1099 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.360 other dream where there's a portal, but when you moved 1100 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.639 in the dream switched to. Every time I have that dream, 1101 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:46.000 it's the same feeling, the same atmosphere. I'm out in 1102 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:49.239 the front yard knowing they're on their way. I don't 1103 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.760 know who they are. They have guns, and we have 1104 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.880 to get the fuck out of here in the dream, 1105 01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.239 and I always do. I always get us out of 1106 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:01.159 here in the dream. 1107 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.760 And I wake up, you better get us out. 1108 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:09.039 So then while this is happening, and sometimes there's like 1109 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.920 people that show up in the dream and I don't 1110 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.159 know who they are in this reality, but in that dream, 1111 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.199 I know them. I don't know how I know them. Yeah, 1112 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.840 and they're like, you know, they're helping, They're like, yeah, 1113 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.760 giving me tips on like they're you know just if 1114 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.360 it was a movie, they would be like side characters 1115 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:34.920 that show up. But anyway, I was having this dream 1116 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.760 once and then I like started experiencing a slight bit 1117 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:43.119 of sleep paralysis. And sometimes now it just goes straight 1118 01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.280 from like yeah, you can't move and you're not freaking 1119 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:50.760 out about it, but then hovering above my body. And 1120 01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.599 it's weird because you know how I said, there's the 1121 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.719 three sixty vision. Sometimes it's like you're still not quite 1122 01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:02.480 this can from your body yet, and you're you're still 1123 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:03.280 like seeing. 1124 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.239 I don't know because I just have this shit. You 1125 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.199 you're talking to me like I fucking understand. I don't 1126 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.880 get the sentiment. I don't get the sentiment. 1127 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.199 I'm sorry, not expecting you to understand. 1128 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:18.159 You can describe it to me. I can sympathize, but 1129 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:19.239 I don't have this shit. 1130 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:25.520 But in this scenario, I know that I'm leaving my body, 1131 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.279 but and I can see my own body and I 1132 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:29.079 can see you. 1133 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.880 And I like, is it me or is it a 1134 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.640 dream of me? Am I wearing my night clothes and 1135 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:36.479 this is. 1136 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.640 Exactly what we look like in bed, So I don't 1137 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.319 know if it's a dream. I don't know if it's 1138 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:43.079 what it is, like I feel like. 1139 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.600 It's wrong my body pillow, and like, well. 1140 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.720 This was before the body pillow. This was this is 1141 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:55.119 like I want to say, maybe last November, okay, And 1142 01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.479 i'd been having those recurrane dreams that kind of shifted 1143 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:03.560 when you got here and I knew that I was 1144 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.119 floating away and I saw you and I didn't want 1145 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.920 to leave you there, and I brought you with me 1146 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.720 like you also left and we were like holding hands. 1147 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.199 It sounds like a fucking cheesy movie. And we like 1148 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.239 floated into the living room and we couldn't get past 1149 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.960 the doorway. And then I look over and Dexter's coming 1150 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:26.279 with us. My fucking retarded dog is like floating behind us, 1151 01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:30.600 going like he does. I couldn't see your face or mine, 1152 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:35.279 but I could see Dexter's dumbass. And then I was like, 1153 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.520 everything's okay. We don't have. 1154 01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.000 The house exactly. 1155 01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:47.279 His soul is like bonded to us somehow because I 1156 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.000 was trying to but and then when I saw him, 1157 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.880 it like made me think, They're like, I don't know, 1158 01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:54.880 this is just a drill. I don't we don't really 1159 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.119 got to leave. And then back in. 1160 01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.199 My body, and you said I didn't want to leave 1161 01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:03.560 off the couch too, because you were like, come on, yeah, 1162 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:04.720 it was like I don't forgot. 1163 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:07.399 I forgot about that, So you're scared. You start you 1164 01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:10.720 started dangling down and like weighing yourself to the couch 1165 01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.079 and you're like, I don't want to do this, and 1166 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.760 I was like, it's easy. It's like it's like Peter Panshit. 1167 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:18.680 That literally sounds like me. 1168 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:20.279 I know you would be scared. 1169 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:21.079 I would be. 1170 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.239 But anyway, that was just like a brief thing that happened. 1171 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.680 And like I said, these could be dreams. 1172 01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:28.920 There could be a portal. 1173 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.600 I think dreams. I think dreams are portals. See. I 1174 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.159 think when it comes to like psychic abilities, the abilities 1175 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:40.800 to do this, whether it's a curse or something that 1176 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:46.359 you just that you have, we all had that at 1177 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:46.880 some point. 1178 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.399 But don't you feel like you are a little bit 1179 01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.680 more susceptible than the average joke? 1180 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.319 I don't know, dude, because when I was a little kid. 1181 01:10:54.319 --> 01:11:00.640 Even as a small child, you were seeing but on 1182 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.159 the other side of the veil or whatever. 1183 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:04.359 They say, Yeah, but I've not seen a ghost since 1184 01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.520 I was that young, So maybe the door was opened 1185 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:08.479 back then, they. 1186 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:13.119 Would you consider to be like, Okay, you haven't seen 1187 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.359 the ghost of a dead person, but think of all 1188 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.359 the stuff you've seen in your dreams and all the 1189 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.720 like weird sleep paralysis, and they were doing this and 1190 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:25.000 that that's all paranormal. 1191 01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:26.439 Oh for sure it is. 1192 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.560 That's why it doesn't have to be like the ghost 1193 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.239 of a dead part. 1194 01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.399 But the reason I've always been drawn to the paranormal always, 1195 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.680 which is what led me into conspiracy, because they are 1196 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:41.159 so intertwined. Yes, is having experienced shit that I didn't 1197 01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:46.039 think was normal because it wasn't. My brother started experiencing 1198 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.560 sleep paralysis as an adult. It sounds like maybe he 1199 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.359 said he had it younger. I don't remember, do you. 1200 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:52.520 He said, like a young adult. 1201 01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:54.640 Well that's what I thought, And that's when it started 1202 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:59.439 getting really intense for me. But yeah, I don't. I 1203 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.279 think there's something up, in particular with the valley that 1204 01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:07.960 I'm from, with my mom's family and my dad's family, 1205 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.079 there's a lot of darkness in both. There's a lot 1206 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:14.600 of weird shit. And then I visited your family and 1207 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:18.239 saw you guys have just as much and like. 1208 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:20.479 There's these experienced there's. 1209 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:24.560 These generational ties. Yes, I know, and there's doorways that 1210 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.279 I don't know. Like I said, I think that all 1211 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:33.119 of us have this but through floride and television, and 1212 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:40.600 like maybe us who still experience it in this reality, 1213 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:45.239 you know, maybe we have large holes in our head 1214 01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.039 that don't get clogged so easily. But one of the 1215 01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.800 things I always said about psychedelics was it's not adding 1216 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:56.399 anything to your experience. Your brain is constantly limiting your 1217 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:00.319 experience because if you saw reality as it is is, 1218 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.079 you wouldn't be able to function as a human. You 1219 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:05.640 wouldn't be able to make your kids lunch before school, 1220 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.640 you wouldn't be able to have a fucking alarm clock, 1221 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:10.880 you wouldn't be able to wipe your ass for real. 1222 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:14.560 It could be, but it also could be like the 1223 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:18.079 path that I don't believe in anymore that I once did, 1224 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.199 is that it could be utopia. I think the experiences 1225 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.680 are valuable sometimes, but I don't think it's the answer. 1226 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.279 I think it's a fucking tool, and you can really 1227 01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:31.319 misused tools, so you can use tools to do great things. 1228 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.800 And I actually want to get your opinion on something, 1229 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.199 but it's gonna switch gears a little bit. 1230 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:39.720 Well, good, I feel like we've been on the same 1231 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.840 gear for a while. Anyway, what else is there to 1232 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:45.319 say as far as that goes, like did. 1233 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:47.399 You have anything you wanted to sum up from your 1234 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:48.720 experiences or I. 1235 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:51.920 Mean, like I said, there's like if you hit a 1236 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:56.359 question that like triggers some like a story, but there's lots. 1237 01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.199 I mean, I feel like I gave a good analysis 1238 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:03.840 or over good overview of all the stuff that sticks 1239 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.000 out that's worth talking about because there's so many experiences. 1240 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:08.439 It used to, like I said, it used to happen 1241 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.279 like several times a month. There's fucking spurts where it 1242 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:13.760 happens nightly and then I won't have it for six months. 1243 01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:19.079 So it's just it's pretty unpredictable at this point. 1244 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:23.319 Do you feel like it corresponds with whether or not 1245 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:25.880 like you've been drinking or like eating? 1246 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:30.800 Not at all. No, I've tried to track all that stuff, 1247 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:35.399 and just like fasting, I used to do a lot 1248 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:37.920 of intermitt and fasting. I used to eat a lot 1249 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.359 cleaner than I e now. I used to drink less 1250 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.560 than I do now. I used to I've always pretty 1251 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.960 much smoked the pot, So maybe that's the problem. It's 1252 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:52.399 goddamn Mary Gianna. But I think certain things affect sleep 1253 01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:55.520 in ways that we don't know. The best sleep I 1254 01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.079 ever get and I don't experience sleep paralysis at all 1255 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:00.760 is if I go to Better for a few beers. 1256 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:03.800 Is that why you drink nightly? 1257 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:09.119 That's why I start drinking more is because I don't 1258 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:09.960 sleep very well. 1259 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.199 I think the answer to not having sleep paralysis is 1260 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:14.479 to poison body. 1261 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.239 It's not sleep paralysis that I'm afraid of. It's I 1262 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:21.600 can't sleep. I lay in bed, awake. 1263 01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:22.840 Try a meal. 1264 01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:30.039 I've put. I've had melatonin suppositories. They feel good going in. 1265 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:37.920 No body works makes this sleepy spray that you spray 1266 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:38.760 all along. 1267 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.760 All I needed is some bath and body works to 1268 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:43.479 get rid of sleep paralysis. 1269 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:47.800 It's like a lavender tea tree. I can rub it 1270 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:49.039 on your feet for you. 1271 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.800 Smell. You're gonna say taint. It feels the way you 1272 01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:54.960 describe it. It sounds like it smelled delightful. 1273 01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:58.640 It does, Oh my goodness, it puts me right to sleep. 1274 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:01.439 But like I said, I've worked through years of all 1275 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:05.880 of this. I've been telling you that I want to 1276 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.439 get back into running. When I exercise on a semi 1277 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.800 consistent basis. You know, jog a few days a week. 1278 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.199 I sleep a lot better. I sleep a lot better 1279 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.640 if I have a beer or two before bed. I've 1280 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.199 never tried any medications. I would never take a ban 1281 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:25.680 or anything like that. But and you know, there's lots 1282 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:30.359 of things I could do, and just wearing myself out 1283 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.039 sometimes makes it harder to sleep. I feel exhausted all 1284 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:35.319 day long, and then I come home from work feels tired, 1285 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:39.680 and then I lay awake in bed and I feel 1286 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.239 like I should be a fucking sleep but my eyes 1287 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:43.199 are just opened. 1288 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:46.159 Yeah, I mean, so I do want to get your 1289 01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.520 opinion on something that is going to take us on 1290 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:51.560 a little bit of a detour now. So was there 1291 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:56.039 anything you wanted to final thoughts on sleep paralysis before? 1292 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:56.880 I tangent? 1293 01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.000 So we're moving completely away from sleep paralysis. 1294 01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.159 It's about dreams and stuff like that. 1295 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:08.840 Okay, Well, I mean, just to surmise, wrap up. I 1296 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:13.399 think I'm using that word correctly. Sleep paralysis just kind 1297 01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:18.359 of like with the extreme DMT experiences. Sleep paralysis itself 1298 01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:25.199 is a tunnel potentially, and it could lead to darkness underground. 1299 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:29.600 It can lead to you know, some inner city, place 1300 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.880 full of crackheads. It could lead to a meadow, it 1301 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:34.720 could lead nowhere. I mean, I think it's a lot 1302 01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:37.279 of this ship is just a reflection of us, like 1303 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:40.520 who we are as a person, what work. Yeah, I 1304 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.439 mean I think we could be We could all be 1305 01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:47.039 conduits to a certain degree of different elements of like 1306 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:50.159 different realities. I don't know how it all works. I 1307 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:54.319 know I've experienced many variations of some crazy ass shit. 1308 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.600 Like I said, even that one at your cousin's house 1309 01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:00.800 was just like, fuck, that's new. This has been happening 1310 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:04.960 to me over half my life and I've never had 1311 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.399 that happen before. And I don't, Like I said, I 1312 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:13.560 don't know if it was geographically unique your family's experiences 1313 01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.560 and the things we were talking about, but I felt 1314 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:20.600 like it was there, Like just was under there whatever 1315 01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:23.880 that house is sitting on, and it's some weird land 1316 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.520 out there, it is probably got some fucking crazy ass history. 1317 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.880 Just like even we drove through where your grandparents are buried, 1318 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.399 and you could just look around and be like, there's 1319 01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.239 a feeling is there was like children of the corn 1320 01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:40.399 shit going on here probably like sixty to eighty years ago, 1321 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:42.800 this place just looked like a god named Stephen King 1322 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.319 novel that house. 1323 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.479 That we showed you next to the churches where we 1324 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.279 saw those demons in the house. 1325 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:48.960 There you go. 1326 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:52.520 But so you think like you're not saying the shadow 1327 01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:55.039 people in the hag and stuff like that's just made 1328 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.399 up figments of people's imagination, are you because I don't think. 1329 01:18:58.359 --> 01:18:59.640 Not necessarily at all. No. 1330 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:03.119 In fact, I think it's specific. 1331 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.279 Think about it like this, all the shit I've told 1332 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:09.640 you tonight, do I expect everybody to just like believe it? 1333 01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.640 Do I care if they believe it. I'm not gonna 1334 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:16.079 pooh pooh anybody's experiences. If you saw a hag, if 1335 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.800 you saw a hat man, those are variations of something 1336 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:21.960 that a lot of people have seen. And so I 1337 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:24.560 think it's kind of like, why I don't you know, 1338 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:28.520 this is not really related. But I don't dismiss Bigfoot 1339 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.680 because of the people that I don't think have reasons 1340 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:35.399 to lie about experiencing things. I think that there's been 1341 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:39.159 enough people that saw the hat man, and I think 1342 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.560 people have seen these things before they even knew other 1343 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.560 people see these things. So it's kind of like DMT. 1344 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:49.039 There's similar entities that people see, and I've seen many 1345 01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.199 of them, and they're real enough to have been experienced 1346 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:57.399 by multiple people. So there's some Yeah, I would say, 1347 01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:00.399 the old Hag, the hat Man, the Guardian, the. 1348 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:03.039 Shadow of people. It's all real. 1349 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:06.479 Like I said, there's been shadow people in my psychedelic 1350 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:10.960 experiences and in dream that world between where I hear voices. 1351 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.640 I yeah, I think that's a huge element of slipping 1352 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:19.800 into a place where the physical and the spiritual are overlapping. 1353 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.399 And I do think that's what sleep paralysis is. Like 1354 01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:25.600 that guy that had the Christian angle on it, he 1355 01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.640 did say that. He also said the generational trauma thing. 1356 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:30.680 I think he's got a lot of right ideas about it. 1357 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:33.880 I just don't think it's solely demonic. 1358 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:38.239 Well, I will tell you I have lived in many houses, 1359 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:44.119 and I have experienced all kinds of crazy stuff, paranormal stuff. 1360 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:47.199 I've never had sleep paralysis. Thank god. I'm actually I 1361 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:48.079 sleep like a bear. 1362 01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.760 I concur that. 1363 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.640 Yeah, so when I'm asleep, i'm out. But I've never 1364 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:58.119 felt anything in this house. 1365 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.199 Yeah, it's only dreams for me. 1366 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:06.520 In the dream like there might be a portal or something. 1367 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.800 Yeah, that's what they said. The cowboy hat guy didn't sing. 1368 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.399 Me out because I've never felt anything in. 1369 01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:20.039 This house, and maybe there's nothing. 1370 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.880 Here it I think it could be in the backyard. 1371 01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:26.079 Well, to give you a little background, we live in 1372 01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:31.760 the middle of a middleish smallish city, you know, eighty 1373 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:37.520 thousand people and we live in the like offshoot of downtown. 1374 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:42.079 But the property is an old farmhouse with a big 1375 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.359 ass backyard. In this house that we live in is 1376 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.680 like the old cottage that the slaves probably lived in 1377 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:52.119 Oregon was fucking having slaves up until like fucking twenty twenty. 1378 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:55.159 You could definitely tell that this was a slave house. 1379 01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:58.359 I mean, I feel quite at home here. I get 1380 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:03.720 down cooking, cooking in the kitchen, I get get a 1381 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:04.560 little soul. 1382 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:08.640 Also because it has no air conditioning, barely any heat. 1383 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:12.439 Yeah, you can like put yourself into extreme hallucinatory states 1384 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.439 of mind just by standing in the kitchen in July. Yes, 1385 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:17.640 it's like it's like Joe Rogan, eat your heart out, 1386 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.159 hot yoga, cold plunge. 1387 01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:21.199 Come to our en. 1388 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:24.079 Go turn on the sprinkler in my backyard to water 1389 01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:28.920 the garden. That's your fucking cold plunge. Have you noticed 1390 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.560 lately all of Joe Rogan's guests come on and well, 1391 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:34.880 you don't listen, but they come on and they're like, yeah, 1392 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:36.640 I was in the middle of my daily routine. You know, 1393 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:41.399 I do do an hour in the sauna, a cold plunge. 1394 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:45.640 Oh well, it's not new. He's been pushing it for years. 1395 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:48.760 I need to slab a fucking raw elk liver. I 1396 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.279 shoot my boat in the backyard. Everybody's like trying to 1397 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.399 tell them they're that they're in his cold. It's hilarious. 1398 01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:58.079 He's got to be getting bored. He's got to be 1399 01:22:58.119 --> 01:22:59.680 of course, And you know, maybe some of them have 1400 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:00.800 tried to a couple times. 1401 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.880 I don't know, But you just be themselves. 1402 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.760 Your podcast doesn't get very big if you're not catering. 1403 01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:11.239 I mean, I'm happy with my numbers. You're happy with 1404 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:12.520 your numbers, I assume. 1405 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:15.720 Yeah, I'm happy that I make genuine connections with people 1406 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:16.520 that listen to mind. 1407 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:18.199 Well, dude, now that Joe Rogan's a Christian, I think 1408 01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:19.439 you have a chance to get on there. 1409 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:24.039 You but was that it that's all you had on that? 1410 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:29.039 Yeah, Like I said, pursue if you have this phenomenon 1411 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:33.319 that takes place in your own life, pursue it with discretion, 1412 01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:36.520 don't listen to anybody that doesn't feel right when they're 1413 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.079 giving you advice. Play around with it if you want to, 1414 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:42.920 fight it, if you want to. But I just think 1415 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:47.439 that there's something going on here that no belief system 1416 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:49.800 could could tackle and figure out. 1417 01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:52.439 For definitely not modern medicine. 1418 01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:57.720 No modern medicine's more laughable than the Christian thing. I'm serious, Like, 1419 01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:05.359 this is not uh mental condition. I think that it 1420 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:10.800 might be like the remnants of some telepathy we all have. 1421 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:18.199 Well, on that note, I feel like when you're dreaming, 1422 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.399 you are going through some type of portal like experience. 1423 01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:28.960 Consciously, there's no doubt about that, because you were somewhere 1424 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:34.600 else experiencing things that your physical body. You're obviously asleep, 1425 01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.199 drooling on your pillow, but you're doing all sorts of 1426 01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:40.840 crazy shit and dreams that feels so real a lot 1427 01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:41.319 of the time. 1428 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:46.840 Sometimes I so, Okay, I guess it's time for an announcement. 1429 01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:53.000 And this is intense for me. Why are you smiling? 1430 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:55.920 You're gonna tell everybody I have herpees. 1431 01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:00.159 You have a scorching case of herpes. 1432 01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:04.880 They call me the Cankerman. That's a reference to anybody 1433 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:08.840 who's a Mike Flanagan fan. He's the Cankerman, and he's 1434 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.760 cared to stay. He is always going to be with me. 1435 01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.640 That to me is a metaphor for herpes. I'll always 1436 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.079 be with you. He calls him the Cankerman, and he's 1437 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:20.119 whispering into his ear. This is what's this movie called again? 1438 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:21.520 Before I wait? 1439 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:24.399 Yes, little kids got a cankerman possessing his dreams. And 1440 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:27.640 he sits on his chest and whispers in his ear, I'm. 1441 01:25:27.399 --> 01:25:30.239 With you always. 1442 01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:33.960 And then he starts scratching his inner thigh. No, he doesn't. 1443 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.199 It could be a metaphe anyway, I don't want to 1444 01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.399 shoot on your announcement. I don't really have herpes. 1445 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.319 Hopefully it's actually our announcement. 1446 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:45.800 Well you're you're going to be the one to make it. 1447 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:46.960 It is our announcement. 1448 01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:54.840 So we've done a pretty good job successfully concealing our 1449 01:25:54.960 --> 01:26:03.159 announcement for the last six months. And I still I mean, 1450 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:10.279 it's hard for me to even say it, but baby 1451 01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:17.239 Dennis will be here in two and a half months. 1452 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.000 Give or take and a half. You never know how 1453 01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:22.159 these things finish cooking. 1454 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.720 Yeah, two and a half ish months I will be 1455 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:30.319 going on a maternity leave, little conspiracy baby. 1456 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:37.800 He's probably gonna suffer from sleep paralysis and ghost adventures. 1457 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.640 Well, he does have us for parents, so we'll see 1458 01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:42.800 how he turns out. But it is a boy. 1459 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.600 By the way, I passed on my sleep paralysis. She 1460 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.479 passed on her love for Zach on ghost adventures. 1461 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:53.720 Yeah, but I could have passed on my weird paranormal experiences. 1462 01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:58.119 I mean everybody in my family has had just awful paranormal. 1463 01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:02.279 Well, between the two of us, if he comes out 1464 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:07.159 just a normal, normal kid, if it'll be weird, right, 1465 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:10.199 Like I expect him to be a crazy little kid 1466 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.439 like I was and you too. 1467 01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.960 Yeah. Well I was actually a really shy little kid. 1468 01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:17.199 Yeah, but you were. 1469 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:19.479 Later in life. 1470 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:23.199 Yeah. But just as far as like experiences, oh yeah, 1471 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.720 that stuff in our family's. 1472 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:30.800 Histories, definitely. I think even us coming together was destined 1473 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:31.319 in a way. 1474 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:36.960 Nick from Occult Rejects did a ritual and had us 1475 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:39.359 to talk about Laurel canyon On together, and. 1476 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:40.239 We fell in love. 1477 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:42.239 You fell in love. 1478 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:45.720 You loved me before I even knew who you were. 1479 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.119 I haven't been into married women since I was. 1480 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:48.800 In my twenties. 1481 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:50.439 You didn't know where I was married. 1482 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.199 Yes, I did. I knew you were married. 1483 01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:55.159 When you heard my Laurel Canyon series. 1484 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:57.960 When you and I worked together on Nick Show about 1485 01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.960 Laurel Canyon. I knew you were married at that point. 1486 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:02.600 You still have the hots for me, I don't care. 1487 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.720 Like I said, I married women used to do it 1488 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:06.079 for me. I got over that shit. 1489 01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:12.439 But anyways, since I've been pregnant the last six months 1490 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.319 or six whatever. 1491 01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.159 She every every night she has a different dream where 1492 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.960 I've I've either like chopped her arm off and thrown 1493 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:23.640 it in a river, or cheated on her, or she's 1494 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:25.520 having horrible things happened to her. 1495 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:27.600 Well, actually, I was. 1496 01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:29.199 Gonna sorry to jump in there and take it. 1497 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:33.960 Oh, I was gonna say, I've never dreamed until I 1498 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:35.199 was pregnant at all. 1499 01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:35.520 Ever. 1500 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.039 No, I mean I had dreams when I was a 1501 01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:43.239 little kid, but in my adult years, I don't dream. 1502 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.239 I would just black out a sleep and wake up. 1503 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:51.760 The first time that I got pregnant, I knew something 1504 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:56.199 was up because I started having extremely vivid dreams. I've 1505 01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:58.079 heard others and I found out I was pregnant. 1506 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:01.359 I've heard other women say that their dreams get a 1507 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.680 certain quality to them, and for you, it was just 1508 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:05.960 the fact that they were there at all. But yeah, 1509 01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:09.880 that that that element changes because you're pregnant. 1510 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:14.199 Yeah, and this is kind of PTSD for me. But 1511 01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:18.079 I knew something was wrong with the first pregnancy because 1512 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:20.720 I stopped dreaming all of a sudden. 1513 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.199 So if she goes one night without a dream, I 1514 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:24.239 have to take her to the year. 1515 01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:29.399 No, But the last couple months, or actually since I've 1516 01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:34.439 been pregnant, I've been just having this realization that my 1517 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:37.520 body is a portal in and of itself right now 1518 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:38.399 creating life. 1519 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.319 Women are portals, no doubt, and even trans of women 1520 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:42.960 are portals. 1521 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:47.199 No, they're not. The dreams I've been having have are 1522 01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:51.920 like otherworldly, almost like where our baby is telling me 1523 01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:56.279 that he's always been with you, and like weird. 1524 01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:59.479 I was on a boat, yeah, fighting the sea. 1525 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:03.479 And it could be a metaphor for something though, because 1526 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:04.760 this is how the dream went. 1527 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:08.039 Maybe he's talking about the ocean of sleep paralysis. 1528 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:14.199 He's a boat in the middle of the ocean at night, 1529 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.479 and there was a million stars in the sky and 1530 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.479 the water was rough, and you were alone on the 1531 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:22.680 boat and you were standing at the front of the 1532 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.640 boat and you were looking up at the stars and 1533 01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:29.960 the waves were like crashing all around, and he said 1534 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.720 that he's always been with you. 1535 01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.520 Well, I appreciate that, son. You make me look like 1536 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:36.800 a badass. I'm on a boat. 1537 01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:39.800 Alone in the crashing waves. 1538 01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:43.359 And I was doing Lieutenant Dan, you will not sink 1539 01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:44.279 this ship. 1540 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:47.239 Do you think it's odd? 1541 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:47.560 Though? 1542 01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:52.199 No one that I'm dreaming at all. Two, that I'm 1543 01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:58.079 having like spiritual revelations in my dreams from our baby. 1544 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:02.399 I mean that shit, to me is not weird at all. 1545 01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.800 Saying that's why I feel like dreaming. And this wholesly 1546 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:10.640 paralysis thing is such a paranormal, supernatural experience because even 1547 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:16.479 being pregnant, these dreams are if I could even describe 1548 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:21.760 these dreams, it's like your worst fears and your highest 1549 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:25.920 hopes mixed together and like futuristic, and. 1550 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:28.159 It sounds like a psychedelic experience. 1551 01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:31.199 It feels like one. And then I watched this video 1552 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.560 the other day. It said, if you're this far along 1553 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:38.399 in your pregnancy, it's just in again, big pharma or whatever. 1554 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:40.600 They just try to write it off as some medical 1555 01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:45.000 You know, there's nothing pregnant. 1556 01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:46.359 Take this pill right away. 1557 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:50.159 Well, it just said, if you're this far along in pregnancy, 1558 01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:52.800 you may start to notice that your dreams are becoming 1559 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:57.319 extremely vivid or you're having horrible night tears. There's nothing 1560 01:31:57.359 --> 01:31:59.960 to worry about. This is a perfectly normal part of pregnant. 1561 01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:03.640 And it's like, especially if you are carrying a Antichrist. 1562 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:06.880 But don't you think, like that's just like their way 1563 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.199 of like writing it off, like, oh, there's nothing special 1564 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:10.920 about what's happening to you right now. 1565 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:14.279 It's just well, the medical industry does that with everything. 1566 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:15.920 It's for me. 1567 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:18.159 We have a pill for that, we have a name 1568 01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:26.439 for that condition. Especially modern day psychiatry psychology, they're so 1569 01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:30.079 arrogant in the way they look at the paranormal and dreaming. 1570 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:36.119 That's why parapsychology, I think is better. I prefer you 1571 01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:40.920 over fucking Freud because these things aren't just poo pooh. 1572 01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:45.000 They're not just like, oh, your brain's trying to make 1573 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:47.439 sense of I've heard this kind of shit. Your brain's 1574 01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:49.560 just trying to make sense of the day, and it's 1575 01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:52.199 like running through the remnants of thoughts that are just 1576 01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.000 like in the back. It's like, how the fuck do 1577 01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:57.359 you know that that sounds like some gay ass shit 1578 01:32:57.439 --> 01:32:59.840 you just made up on like a book report day, 1579 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:03.880 and you didn't read the book, and then people believed it. 1580 01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:06.279 We all want to fuck our mom too. 1581 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:08.399 Just what they say. 1582 01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:11.039 That's what Freud says. His whole model is based on 1583 01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:17.239 this weird sexual malfunction we all have. Because this guy 1584 01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:19.439 wanted to fuck his mom, so we projected that onto 1585 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:20.279 all of humanity. 1586 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.760 He sounds like the guy from the Children of God colors. 1587 01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:25.720 Well, if you look at Freud, he's tied to all 1588 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.800 that shit. And then there's like Kinsey, the fucking pedophile 1589 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:32.359 guy who was trying to revolutionize sex. Like I used 1590 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.319 to think that guy was badass until I found out 1591 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:37.199 everything about him, Like I thought it was sexual revolution 1592 01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:42.640 like exploring sexuality, but no exploring sexuality to him meant 1593 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:45.479 no limits like Children of God. 1594 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:50.159 Well, I just think that this entire experience for me 1595 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:53.640 has been magical, And maybe it's just because I'm a 1596 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:58.479 first time like we had this second time reading, but. 1597 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.840 We had this conversation earlier because a family member of 1598 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:06.399 hers is going through this with their spouse and she's 1599 01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:09.239 a first time mom and he isn't so excited. But 1600 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:13.520 she is, and he's saying it's because I've already gone 1601 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:14.920 through this, and like I said, you know, I have 1602 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:19.279 a son already. This is I can't imagine it being 1603 01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:22.279 any less magical each time it happens. I don't get that. 1604 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:24.720 I don't get it either, but you would be the 1605 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.439 one to tell me, because this. 1606 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:30.039 Well, you and I are together, So that's a good 1607 01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.600 starting point that I didn't have the first time around. 1608 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:36.239 And it's more magical to me this time around in 1609 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.399 a lot of ways because I experienced a lot more 1610 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:41.680 of it. There's a level of intimacy between you and 1611 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.239 I that I didn't have with my other son's mom, 1612 01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:48.479 So right off the bat, like it's a more unique 1613 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:49.600 experience altogether. 1614 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:54.159 And I said this on the Occult Rejects podcast like 1615 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:57.880 a couple of weeks ago, but I do feel like 1616 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.439 our baby has always been with us. 1617 01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:03.439 So you did you announced this on another show? 1618 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:07.520 No, I said in pregnancy, I feel like it's weird because. 1619 01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:09.920 Well, take if you want to like think about it 1620 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:13.479 that way, physiologically, your eggs have always been with you, 1621 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:16.279 so that right there. 1622 01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:19.760 They were with me in my mom's roomb. 1623 01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:25.199 Right, and so then the male adds his little jism 1624 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:29.279 sauce to the mix, and then the conception like where 1625 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:34.159 you've seen those they're not recent recent, but they're fairly 1626 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:37.439 recent relatively, but they're like they show the spark of 1627 01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:42.159 life when the sperm cell breaks through the It's like 1628 01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:45.640 they even showed it in the coust talking. So it's 1629 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:48.680 been around at least since John Travolta was skinny and 1630 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:51.279 not as gay as he is now. He's always been gay, 1631 01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:53.279 I know, but he just stopped hiding it so well. 1632 01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:55.640 He was so cool in Lacou's talking. 1633 01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:56.119 Dude. 1634 01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.680 Yeah, anyway, it's a spark of why so, but yeah, 1635 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:03.359 what do you think, like when you say they're always 1636 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:09.000 with us, do you mean as the mom or both parents? 1637 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:12.520 I feel like both because when I got pregnant the 1638 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:20.840 first time, everything everything about me on a cellular level 1639 01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.279 changed and I knew immediately that this was something that 1640 01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:27.680 I was supposed to do. And then I lost that 1641 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.479 pregnancy and it was devastating to me, and my ex 1642 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.399 husband did not He was not excited that I was 1643 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.760 pregnant and did not ever want to try to he 1644 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.520 basically that's what ended us, is that he did not 1645 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:44.520 want children and he was relieved that it didn't come 1646 01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:49.920 to fruition, and I you emailed me in the middle 1647 01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.960 of us deciding that we were over. 1648 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:55.039 Yeah, because I wanted to talk about Hunter and Stomp 1649 01:36:55.079 --> 01:36:56.239 and making snuff films. 1650 01:36:57.439 --> 01:37:01.199 Yeah. But I mean it just felt like weird, serendipitous 1651 01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:04.199 timing because I had always had the hots for you. 1652 01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:10.279 I was leaving my husband and you were single, and 1653 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:15.039 the rest of this just happened to be. I mean, 1654 01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:19.560 the fact that we were interested in the same conspiracy topics, 1655 01:37:19.960 --> 01:37:22.520 that we had worked together, that we knew that we 1656 01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:27.199 were friends, that you you literally didn't talk to me 1657 01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:30.119 for months, and then out of nowhere, just sent me 1658 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:35.560 a random email, like a couple of weeks after Zachary 1659 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:38.840 and I had decided to split. The first pregnancy was 1660 01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.680 almost kind of like a spiritual experience to set me 1661 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:42.960 up for what was to come. 1662 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:47.079 Yeah, And I mean, having a kid with somebody who 1663 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.319 doesn't want to do that with you, how cool would 1664 01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:49.880 that be? 1665 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:53.920 I was not happy about it, but I wanted the baby. 1666 01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:56.800 And even if you and I like start hating each 1667 01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:00.520 other and go our separate ways, we'll both will be 1668 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:06.399 stoked about our baby. And I don't want everybody to 1669 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:09.880 think that she's got her bags packed, But if you 1670 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.239 had to live with me, you would understand that it's 1671 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:14.760 probably a matter of time before she either kicks the 1672 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:16.119 shit out of me or leaves. 1673 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:16.800 Well. 1674 01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:20.119 According to your expert advice, you say that you know 1675 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:24.359 our relationship is strong because we do have quarrels. 1676 01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:27.439 Oh for sure. Like, if you want to get personal 1677 01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:30.800 and talk about that a little bit, you and your 1678 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.119 ex never fought because you guys never talked. You lived 1679 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:37.920 in your own separate wings of the manner, and when 1680 01:38:37.960 --> 01:38:41.079 you're intermingling with somebody on a daily basis, like I 1681 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:44.399 have this situation where two days out of the work week, 1682 01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:47.560 I'm home with my son and I work the swing shift, 1683 01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:50.720 and we see each other so often and talk so 1684 01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:53.920 often that when we do fight, it's the rare occasion. 1685 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:59.079 But you know we've thrown down because we're both passionate, 1686 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:04.720 we're both fucking stubborn, and we're not so quick to 1687 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:08.039 be willing to see it the other person's way. But 1688 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:11.520 you didn't have that even the opportunity to hit that 1689 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:14.119 level with your ex because we. 1690 01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:15.800 Were completely indifferent towards each other. 1691 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:22.479 Your roommates that sometimes pinched each other's nipples, so have fun. 1692 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:25.520 I've had fuck buddies too, I just didn't live with them. 1693 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.680 Did you marry one and stay with them seven years? 1694 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:31.359 Well, the concept of the fuck buddies kind of you 1695 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:32.479 avoid all that other shit. 1696 01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:38.359 I do have to say, though, having experienced pregnancy loss 1697 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:41.239 and you can, you know, throw in your two cents. 1698 01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:46.640 It's horrifying for me to announce this. I almost feel guilty. 1699 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:49.680 I know that you've got some shell shock from your 1700 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:52.399 first experience, but you know, and we did wait up 1701 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:55.680 till like twenty weeks before we told anybody outside of family, 1702 01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:58.840 And I mean, I think that's playing it pretty safe. 1703 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.439 If you're looking at SATIS miscarriages, a lot of women 1704 01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:05.520 miscarry in the first couple of weeks and don't even 1705 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:07.560 know they were ever pregnant. They thought they had like 1706 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:12.119 a weird cramp or something. And you experienced something horrendous 1707 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:14.520 and it. 1708 01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:16.359 Was almost in your death experience. 1709 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:20.279 Just for you getting through those first six to twelve 1710 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:25.399 weeks where there is that window of likely things like 1711 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:30.880 that happening, I'll tell you experiencing it just vicariously through you. 1712 01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.880 It was yeah, and you've made it over the hump. 1713 01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:39.720 I mean you're into the third trimester now. I personally 1714 01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.359 don't think there's any risk involved telling people. I don't 1715 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:44.359 think it's going to change the outcome of anything that 1716 01:40:44.439 --> 01:40:47.720 wasn't going to happen already. I'm cool with it. I mean, 1717 01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:50.199 we kind of discussed it before we started recording, and 1718 01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:53.600 it was your idea. But I also, I mean, Julia 1719 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:57.399 is not gaining a lot of weight, so maybe you've noticed, 1720 01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:58.439 maybe you haven't. 1721 01:40:58.720 --> 01:40:59.840 My nose is swollen. 1722 01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:01.039 I mean, I told you my. 1723 01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:02.399 Face looks a little swollen. 1724 01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:05.159 I think my mom has the similar judgment as you, 1725 01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:07.960 as is she actually gives Candas Owns the time of day, 1726 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:12.279 and my mom was watching Candace. She since moved on. 1727 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:16.000 But every time, and I think it's happened twice since 1728 01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:17.800 my mom's been watching her, my mom would say, I 1729 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:20.079 think Kndas is pregnant, and then like two weeks later 1730 01:41:20.119 --> 01:41:20.880 she would announce it. 1731 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:23.199 Well, if there's any of the listeners out there who 1732 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:28.359 are Patreon subscribers who have noticed my last couple months 1733 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:32.039 of videos, maybe somebody has been like, I wonder if 1734 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:33.800 she's gotten fat. 1735 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.680 Or I've been making sure she's eating good. 1736 01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:38.880 Yeah, he's hungry all the time. 1737 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.560 Well that means if he eats as much as his 1738 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.920 fucking brother's starting to. Yeah, it's all he wants to do. 1739 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:49.199 But I mean, I feel like I'm so proud of 1740 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:51.800 us that I'm happy to announce. 1741 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:54.560 Well I thought you were You were like hesitant, is 1742 01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:55.359 what I thought you meant. 1743 01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:55.760 Yeah. 1744 01:41:55.840 --> 01:42:00.279 No, I'm saying, despite my reservations, because of what has 1745 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:03.079 happened in the past, I am proud of us for 1746 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:04.159 how far we've come. 1747 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:08.399 Well, I didn't do much. I gave you the yogurt. Yeah, 1748 01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:10.079 and you processed it quite nicely. 1749 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:13.119 This is all, like I said, I feel like very 1750 01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:15.399 much destined. 1751 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:19.239 And I mean, like I said, you know, when I 1752 01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:25.520 went to that place that some people call gay, unconditional 1753 01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.600 love or straight. You know, I'm sorry to poo poo 1754 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:35.640 on the hippie terms, but yeah, it's all destined. It's 1755 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:40.159 all destined to happen in fucking multiple variations of separate ways. 1756 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:43.000 There's a fucking universe right next to us where you miscarried. 1757 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.880 There's a universe right next to us where we have twins. 1758 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.279 Then there's universes that you get further down and you 1759 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:53.760 and I never ever met I mean, it's like literally 1760 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:56.720 every possibility. I've seen this on DMT. I was on 1761 01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:57.399 a riverbank. 1762 01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:01.399 I took it because when I first moved here, I 1763 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:02.920 had deja vu a lot. 1764 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:04.960 I have dejev vous all the time. In fact, the 1765 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:07.840 other day I didn't even tell you. We're sitting in 1766 01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:13.159 there with my son and you said something to me, 1767 01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:16.159 and I was holding him, and the way he was 1768 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:17.960 looking at me, and the way you were looking at me, 1769 01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:21.199 and the like angle of the sunlight coming through the blinds, 1770 01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:25.399 it was just all like this moment has been experienced 1771 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.640 and like everybody knows who experiences deja vu, and I 1772 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:34.079 think it's pretty normal while it's happening, there's no fucking. 1773 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:37.800 Doubt so that we've done this before. 1774 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:40.680 Well, that moment, I've experienced it before. 1775 01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:43.199 I know, But I'm saying when I moved here, I 1776 01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:46.159 just kept having it like every other day. It was 1777 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.840 like I've done this before. I've been here before, I've 1778 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:49.920 lived here before. 1779 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:52.760 So you're either on the right path or the wrong 1780 01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.600 one that you keep taking. 1781 01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:58.680 I would say the right one, because it's gotten us 1782 01:43:58.720 --> 01:44:00.399 a little conspiracy. 1783 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:04.239 We're naming him Bill Cooper Dennis. 1784 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:07.720 Oh God, can you imagine. 1785 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:09.239 Naval intelligence runs in the family. 1786 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:14.039 But I am trying to work hard to stock up 1787 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:19.239 on content so that when I do go on maternity 1788 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:23.920 leave it shouldn't be noticed. They'll still be plenty of 1789 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:27.600 shows for you to enjoy for the I don't I 1790 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.560 don't know how long I'll be out for at least 1791 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:31.479 a month or so. 1792 01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:36.359 And when she puts up for a surprise episode, the 1793 01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:39.359 theme sunk to Blue. Oh fuck, you know that the 1794 01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:47.560 kid's been born? Done, done done. Sorry everybody who doesn't 1795 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:49.640 have kids, you have no idea what that means. In fact, 1796 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:54.159 this dude, Chris Promarine dut rantcast, he's like, you know 1797 01:44:54.199 --> 01:44:56.840 what Blue is? I said no, and he goes, you 1798 01:44:56.840 --> 01:44:59.039 don't have kids? And now I know what he means. 1799 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.279 It's huge. It's a hit. It's BBC meets Disney. What 1800 01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:04.399 could go wrong there? 1801 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:07.000 I think it's trash. 1802 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:09.800 She does, but my son loves it and he's probably 1803 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:12.399 going to be trans because of it. Good Night, everybody. 1804 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.079 Do you feel like we've summed up everything? Do you 1805 01:45:17.119 --> 01:45:20.159 feel like we've left anything else that you wanted to 1806 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:20.640 touch on? 1807 01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:23.479 I know you, babe, it's your show. I mean, if 1808 01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:25.479 I could tell you whatever you want to hear. I 1809 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:27.840 think we talked about quite a fucking lot. I think 1810 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:30.479 we've been recording for almost three hours. Well, no, I'm 1811 01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:32.199 just two and a half. I don't know when do 1812 01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:35.760 we start nine? I don't remember we would going at 1813 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:36.239 least two. 1814 01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:40.319 I was just gonna say you were the inspiration behind 1815 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:42.720 starting this series. And I know you don't always. 1816 01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:47.800 Show you love my soul and my heart since booys. 1817 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.760 I know you don't always agree with like the Christian 1818 01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:52.039 perspective on things. 1819 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:54.600 I don't always agree with to anything perspective on things, 1820 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:56.920 and I don't need to and I'm not trying to 1821 01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:01.359 invalidate anybody's beliefs, but not agreed you. One of the 1822 01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:04.079 things that Julie and I talked about before we decided 1823 01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:07.119 to meet in person was like, if this happens, I 1824 01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:11.399 have two things. I am co parenting with a kid, 1825 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:13.279 and you got to be cool with that whole situation. 1826 01:46:13.359 --> 01:46:15.000 And you also got to be cool with the fact 1827 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:17.319 that I know you're a Christian and you know I'm not, 1828 01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:19.880 and neither one of us needs to try to talk 1829 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.720 the other one out of that, and we haven't. We've 1830 01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:28.760 offered each other pros cons why we feel the way 1831 01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:31.079 we do just all sorts of stuff, and it's never 1832 01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:33.760 been an issue except for one night when you got 1833 01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.239 really drunk and ganged up on me with my Christian friend. 1834 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.000 That might happen again sometime. 1835 01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:42.239 Who knows, well, you ain't drinking anytime soon, Mama, No, 1836 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:44.039 I might just. 1837 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:46.560 Pound six years after we get done with this. 1838 01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:49.840 You don't know that well, you're gonna make that boy 1839 01:46:49.960 --> 01:46:50.800 just like his daddy. 1840 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.560 So with that being said, thank you so much for 1841 01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:58.279 joining me to put a ribbon on into the further 1842 01:46:58.439 --> 01:46:59.159 part three. 1843 01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.479 If she don't hear from us in the meantime, that 1844 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:04.880 portal swallowed us. 1845 01:47:05.439 --> 01:47:07.760 Well. I was actually going to say, the reason I 1846 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.199 don't want to drag this series on too long is 1847 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:14.920 because I've never experienced it, and I definitely never would 1848 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:19.720 want to. And I get creeped out talking about this 1849 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:22.479 kind of stuff. You've revealed some stuff tonight that has 1850 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:25.000 upset me horribly in my fragule. 1851 01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.079 I fucking warned you, and you thought I was going 1852 01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:31.239 to be talking shit about your your Bible. You thought 1853 01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:32.720 I was going to like be a dick, and I 1854 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:36.239 was just thinking, you know, the stuff that happened to 1855 01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:40.439 your cousin. Well, no, this all ties in to the 1856 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:42.039 stuff that happened to your cousin's house. 1857 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:46.199 Ever shared that with me before this very moment, though, 1858 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:47.239 I told you. 1859 01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:51.199 I told you that I had a bizarre sleep paralysis experience. 1860 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:52.439 I told you what I. 1861 01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:55.199 Thought when you said that. No, like that time we 1862 01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:57.279 were on our way to my doctor's appointment and you 1863 01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:00.600 said that you rolled into a portal and that you 1864 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.640 went on a magical mystery tour with the walrus Man, 1865 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:06.159 and like, what, Yeah, you told me that. 1866 01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:08.199 I don't recall this conversation. 1867 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:10.279 Yeah, that's what you told me. That's what I thought 1868 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:11.000 when you say. 1869 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:15.039 Okay, seriously, we're on our way to your appointment, and 1870 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:15.800 I said what. 1871 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:19.680 We were on our way to my doctor's appointment, and 1872 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:21.239 you looked at me and you said I got no 1873 01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:23.760 sleep last night. And I said why and you said 1874 01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.520 because I had sleep paralysis, and you said I was 1875 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:29.600 so tired that I was like fuck it. I just 1876 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:32.439 went with it. And I rolled into a portal and 1877 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:35.119 it was like and you described all this stuff to me. 1878 01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:37.800 I don't remember that, but. 1879 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:40.439 Oh it was the other you that told me all this. 1880 01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:44.039 I've been monarched in all my travels. No, I just did. 1881 01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:45.920 Like I said, That's what I was thinking though when 1882 01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:48.520 you said I had sleep paralysis at your cousin's not 1883 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.760 that your hand was being held by the devil himself. 1884 01:48:52.119 --> 01:48:55.239 Well, like I said, it is my goal to not 1885 01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:59.840 freak you out. But we were having this conversation for 1886 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:04.239 your Lovely podcast, I felt like all that stuff. 1887 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:08.560 If we should close out with the prayer, I'm gonna 1888 01:49:08.880 --> 01:49:09.840 terrify of that. 1889 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:11.800 I'm gonna go get a beer. Julia is gonna say 1890 01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.680 the Lord's prayer. Hopefully it's a new Testament. 1891 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:18.119 But anyways, thanks for joining me though, Babe, I really 1892 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:19.079 appreciate it. 1893 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:24.800 Now I lay me down to sleep. Hush, little baby, 1894 01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:27.640 don't say what you gotta close out with that? Now 1895 01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:29.760 what you dstand man? 1896 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.600 You have to you have to do the one that 1897 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:36.760 you sing, what one to put your son to sleep? 1898 01:49:37.319 --> 01:49:41.439 No, that's for us. It's from an old brother. We're 1899 01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:41.880 at though. 1900 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:45.560 Yeah, but it has some very interesting lyrics that you 1901 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:46.359 changed up. 1902 01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:47.640 Have you heard me singing it? 1903 01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:48.800 Shut the fuck up? 1904 01:49:48.880 --> 01:49:49.800 Be quiet? 1905 01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:56.119 Well, there does around with his name. Yeah, you can 1906 01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:58.680 say anything in the right cadence tell her about Well, 1907 01:49:58.760 --> 01:49:59.439 let's get in there. 1908 01:49:59.479 --> 01:50:01.439 Now, go to sleep, little baby. 1909 01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:03.000 He's gonna get kicked out of school. 1910 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:04.439 Let the fuck up. Be quiet. 1911 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:12.319 No, go to sleep, little wiet It works, It works. 1912 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:16.640 Would you like to plug anything before we wrap up 1913 01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:18.880 the show. You've been working on a lot of cool 1914 01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:19.600 stuff lately. 1915 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:23.840 I'm gonna plug a melatonin capsule into my buttthole so 1916 01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:26.800 that I don't have to sleep Prouls just tonight. Uh, 1917 01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:32.800 I guess conspiracy playtime is what she's referring to. And yeah, 1918 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.840 you know, we always try to stay away from politics, 1919 01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:39.600 but lately we've been diving down into like Donald Trump's 1920 01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:44.479 past with all the stuff that pisses off Trump supporters. 1921 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:49.199 We've been diving into the technocracy angle of this new 1922 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:55.159 trojan horse in the fucking current administration. Had some good guests. 1923 01:50:56.039 --> 01:50:59.640 It's it's, you know, you kind of just swivel through 1924 01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:04.319 all this stuff. And even though we're getting political, it's 1925 01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:07.079 not that we're into politics, it's we're in into all 1926 01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:10.239 the weird fucking shit being ushered in through politics. So 1927 01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:14.680 check that out if that's something that might tickle your fancy, 1928 01:51:15.439 --> 01:51:15.800 and do. 1929 01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.720 It soon, Because much like myself, Colby likes to use 1930 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:22.960 music on his podcast. And the ships keep getting taken 1931 01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:24.439 off Spotify. 1932 01:51:24.039 --> 01:51:26.840 If you if you if you do dig Conspiracy Playtime 1933 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:28.439 and you want to listen to it, you could always 1934 01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:33.119 go to Conspiracy Playtime dot com. Every fucking episode is 1935 01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:36.159 up some on some platforms. So if you're Spotify or 1936 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:38.399 and Apple podcast listener and they cut our shit for 1937 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:41.800 copyright and you notice, like, huh, I went from episode 1938 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:45.720 ten to thirty two, the chances are that they cut 1939 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:47.319 a lot of stuff out. I get a new notice 1940 01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:51.159 every day that they're removing episodes. But anyway, Conspiracyplaytime dot 1941 01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:54.079 com will give you a YouTube link. YouTube has dropped 1942 01:51:54.079 --> 01:51:55.920 a lot of our shit, so sometimes we'll take you 1943 01:51:55.960 --> 01:51:58.039 to Rumble through a redirect. 1944 01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.840 But what if someone wants to be a guest on 1945 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:01.359 your show? 1946 01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:06.920 Get in line, motherfucker email. Yeah. Sure, you could do 1947 01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:11.680 Conspiracy Playtime at gmail dot com. Or you could just 1948 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:14.279 reach out to Julia and she could wake me up 1949 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:16.560 from one of my dreams and tell you tell me 1950 01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:17.479 that you want to come on. 1951 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:20.520 I just don't think you've ever pulled to that before. 1952 01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:21.319 Oh sure I have? 1953 01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:22.119 Are you sure? 1954 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:23.880 Probably? Why not? 1955 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.279 Because I do have people reach out to me trying 1956 01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:27.680 to get to you sometimes. 1957 01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:29.520 Well that's the first I'm hearing of it. 1958 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.880 Anyways, if you want to come on Cosmic Peach podcast 1959 01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:37.079 or you want me to be a guest on your show, 1960 01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:41.960 you can email me at ghost dot Peach at outlook 1961 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:43.319 dot com. 1962 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:44.840 And if you want s you will literally go on 1963 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.119 anybody's show. I mean, she's been on Tinfoil Hat twice. 1964 01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:49.319 For fuck's sake, I'll go on anybody's show. 1965 01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:52.840 I was kidding. Sorry, Sam keep slinging that fucking devil 1966 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:53.640 chocolate buddy. 1967 01:52:55.640 --> 01:53:01.720 But yeah, So if you want to get on Conspiracy Playtime, 1968 01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:06.960 email check out the website if it's not available on Spotify, 1969 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:12.479 and maybe we'll do another mini series together in the future. 1970 01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:15.800 Well, we are actually going to be doing an interesting 1971 01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:21.560 collab with JJ Vance and this gal that lives in 1972 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:24.880 our area who fucking showed some shit to me about 1973 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:28.159 this little valley that we live in that's been infiltrated 1974 01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:32.079 by weird psychedelic cults who are funded by scientologists. That 1975 01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:35.359 shit is right up JJ's alley, and I think Julia 1976 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:37.560 is going to sit in on that. Keep your eyes 1977 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:39.600 peeled for that. By the time this comes out, we 1978 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:42.119 probably wouldn't even have recorded it. Yet, but I'm excited 1979 01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:46.640 about that. JJ's awesome. This new gal that I've been 1980 01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:49.640 talking to quite a bit about some crazy fucking conspiracy 1981 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:53.159 shit that she knows about has experienced herself. But that'll 1982 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:55.199 be one to look forward to also. 1983 01:53:55.439 --> 01:53:58.039 Yeah, that'll probably be an upcoming. 1984 01:53:57.600 --> 01:53:59.680 Up as well. Last time I talked to her, she's 1985 01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:03.000 fucking got outlines and sending me articles and videos that 1986 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:04.359 I need to get in on the watching. 1987 01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:06.760 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 1988 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:09.159 I always it goes along with like the twin Flame 1989 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:09.720 cult that you. 1990 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:12.359 Could, well, it reminds me of that. But I was 1991 01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:15.239 gonna say I always look forward to working with JJ 1992 01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:18.159 as well, because he's a great researcher. 1993 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:19.720 And this girl really wants to be Julia's friend. 1994 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:26.399 I'm like a cat because I'm like a cat. I'm 1995 01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:29.000 great with podcasts, but in the real world, I'm like. 1996 01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:31.479 She became friends with me to get to you, and like, 1997 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:34.399 I'm getting all the fucking I'm reaping all the rewards 1998 01:54:34.439 --> 01:54:37.560 because she's fuck. She all the ship you talk about, 1999 01:54:37.640 --> 01:54:40.039 She's lived through it, She's seeing all of it. 2000 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:43.039 Babe. I am a I am a hairless Persian cat 2001 01:54:43.279 --> 01:54:45.920 that likes to crawl up in a hole and just 2002 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:47.199 especially pregnant. 2003 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:53.680 I want to you're mister Jigglesworth right, No, no, we don't, 2004 01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:54.760 not on our kit te. 2005 01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:00.000 So with that being said, everyone, thanks so much for listening. 2006 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:03.279 I hope you enjoyed this third and final installment of 2007 01:55:03.439 --> 01:55:07.720 Into the Further and I will catch you on the 2008 01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:24.279 next one, The Further