WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.839 Here's what you're really asking. See, you're not asking what 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.440 scholarly work some reading. You were saying, are you reading 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.880 Saint Basil the Great? Yes? Yeah, are you reading that right? 4 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.759 John Chris System on wealthy poverty? Yes? These are all libs. 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:15.640 By the way, like there's not one of these guys 6 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.280 that isn't I mean, it's not one of them. 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:20.879 Well, I've been saying for a long time the only 8 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:23.359 people who can rightfully talk about social justice or the 9 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.519 medieval Catholics and everyone else should shut up. 10 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:30.640 These are late antiquity right, lovely apostolic bothers. You know, 11 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:34.600 that's good one. That's that's a pastern. 12 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:39.359 Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask 13 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:44.399 what you can do for your country, mister Gorbachew, Tear 14 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:45.880 down this wall. 15 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.320 It's the Ricochet Podcast with Stephen Hayward and Rob Long. 16 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:52.479 I'm James Lilex. Today we're going to talk to Mark 17 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.079 recorying about of course immigration exilettes I was a podcast. 18 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.960 You say to those that you're using a two hundred 19 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.439 year old door, it's a circumvent you an. 20 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:05.120 Old law not as well as constitution. We still pay 21 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:07.239 attention to that, don't we. But someone take this man. 22 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:12.319 We're going to be returning education very simply back to 23 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.280 the states where it belongs. 24 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:15.560 And this is a. 25 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.560 Very popular thing to do, but much more importantly, it's 26 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.280 a common sense thing to do and it's going to work. 27 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:22.879 Absolutely, it's going to work. 28 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.200 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast number seven hundred and 29 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.799 thirty three. And do we have a surprise for you today? 30 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:29.439 Yeah. 31 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.400 Yeah, you got me James Lodax in Minneapolis. You got 32 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:35.359 Stephen Hayward probably in California. But we have Rob Long, 33 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.239 who I guess has come out of the monastery on 34 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.280 the East coast. Tom Seward in his robe with a 35 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:42.480 little you know, white. 36 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.519 Benefiting belt and the rest of it. 37 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.719 Welcome back, Rob, It's always good to see you. 38 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.799 And you know, I have to say, it's like I 39 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:52.280 know that says seminary is a Princeton theological seminary, and 40 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.400 so people have this idea of it like that, you know, 41 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:58.079 we're walking around in robes. When I had dinner I 42 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.519 don't know last year round this time with Greg Gottfeldt 43 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.599 on our one of our regular dinners, and I was like, hey, listen, 44 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.280 by the way, I'm just going to this Prinson Theological Seminary, 45 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.400 and he's like, really, wow, it's amazing. So what does 46 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.680 that mean for the show. You can't do the show anymore? 47 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.680 I said, no, I can, Greg, I can do the show. 48 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:19.879 It's Princeton, it's not that far away. So they'll they'll 49 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.280 let you out for the show. Say well, Greg, isn't 50 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.199 like you. They don't let you out like you. I 51 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.360 can leave anytime. It's a school. As I'm getting a graduate, 52 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.800 it's a graduate school. Oh okay, But even now he 53 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.479 doesn't quite figure out. When I show up at the show, 54 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.039 He's like, so, like, are you like out now? How 55 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:36.639 does that work? 56 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:36.759 Like? 57 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:41.479 No, So, yes, it's a normal graduate school in the 58 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.879 sense that I'm surrounded by younger, young people, and I'm 59 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:47.960 learning that I. 60 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.199 Would never assume, even in an old monastery, that they 61 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.639 would keep them on the grounds. I mean they were not. 62 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.639 It's not like they were forbidden to go out. It's 63 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:57.000 just for to stay where they were made their job, 64 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.159 their life, the contemplation easier. But yes, of course you 65 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.159 can go. I mean it is a bit red. Does 66 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.360 he think perhaps that you would be chained to a desk, 67 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.439 you know, doing an illuminated manuscript with a quill or 68 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:07.960 something like that. 69 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:09.479 I think he was hoping for that, and I think 70 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.120 he could kill That was his goal, like to like 71 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:14.560 to have me come a bald head except for one 72 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.120 little thing of hair coming out? What do you mean? 73 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:17.840 That was my goal too. 74 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.560 We're going to trouble you with worldly matters now and Stephen, 75 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.159 any worldly matters or the last oh, I don't know, 76 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:27.120 seventeen minutes they're broken or something like that. 77 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:31.120 The place right well, I have refresh Twitter about every 78 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.479 thirty seconds to see the latest federal judge imposing some 79 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.919 kind of restriction on the Trump administration, because they seem 80 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.039 to come at about. 81 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.280 Three or four a day. Right now, Well, are they 82 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.479 going to stand up? Is Robert's going to say? And 83 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.400 you know the guy, he's got a point. What is 84 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.680 going to be the end result of all this? Are 85 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.240 the judges discovering brave, bold, new powers previously not allocated. 86 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.919 Or is this something that they are entirely entitled to do? 87 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.520 Well? For a very quick points, one is Trump has 88 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:06.719 had more I think federal judges interfering with his plans 89 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.840 than happened in the entire twentieth century. In other words, 90 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:13.000 temporary restraining orders or injunctions. Second, there's three parts to it. 91 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.639 One is his power to fire people in the executive branch. 92 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.560 That's one of the legal issues. The second one is 93 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.720 his power over spending, and that has many parts to 94 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.519 it as well that depend a lot on what the 95 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.319 specific language of a congressional statute might be, so that 96 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.160 gets tangled in a hurry. Then the third is, and 97 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.879 this is the most controversial part, is can a federal 98 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.439 judge who's supposed to just be a trial judge in 99 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:40.000 their district, can they issue nationwide injunctions and restraining orders? 100 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:43.199 And this has never been reviewed by the Supreme Court. 101 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.959 Several justices have said they don't like this practice. And 102 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.279 so I think that's the big question right now, and 103 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:49.959 I think that's the one that they're going to have 104 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.839 to confront at the Supreme Court. Yeah, very soon. 105 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.000 Actually, I think it's also the good I mean, all 106 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:58.399 these things aren't the same. I mean, I really don't 107 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:03.720 think that the chief executive has the right or the 108 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:08.639 power to to change the way Congress has chosen to 109 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.800 spend money. I mean, in a way, Congress has got 110 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.240 to do that. I think, on the other hand, why 111 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.920 the chief executive can't hire and fire everybody in the 112 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.720 executive branch of government is baffling to me. That's the 113 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.439 that has to be one of the chief definitions of 114 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:26.639 a chief executive of a branch. Right, you get to 115 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.680 like pick who your staff is, all the way down 116 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.120 to the guy who, like, you know, I don't know 117 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.160 what makes the coffee. So that so all these things 118 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.519 need to be teased out. We have been so lazy 119 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.319 as a country for so long and basically allowing if 120 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:43.120 you're on the left, you think it's great that the 121 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.680 president has all these powers because he's my guy. And 122 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:47.079 then if you're on the right, like it's great at 123 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:48.560 the president of lege powers because he's my guy. In 124 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.600 the minute that changes, everbody acts like, my god, how 125 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.800 did this happen? You fascist dictator? You know, it'd be 126 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:55.319 good for us to sort these things out. And I 127 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.560 think sort them out along the lines that you know 128 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.199 the founders originally did, which is that, yes, you know, 129 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:01.879 you got a bunch of people elected, did they get 130 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:03.639 to choose how they're going to spend, raise and spend 131 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.680 your money? And then you have an executive chief executive 132 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.079 who gets to you know, CEO, the whole thing. I 133 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.439 don't know that that system seemed to work. I mean, 134 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.920 people blaming Trump for this, as much as I would 135 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.759 love to blame Trump for everything bad, it's like, no, 136 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:23.720 he's this is the logical conclusion of a thing that 137 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.480 began in nineteen thirty when was that FDR elected whenever? 138 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.079 Yeah, thirty three act pretty much, but it is some 139 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.959 that's older than that, though, Rob. I mean, the question 140 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.279 about whether the president could withhold funds that Congress had 141 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.839 appropriated starts with Thomas Jefferson, so and it has never 142 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.279 been entirely sorted out. A simple way I think for 143 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.959 listeners to think about it, because it can't get technical, 144 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.199 is to say the Constitution says that, or we say 145 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.839 that the Constitution says that Congress has the power of 146 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.480 the purse, and what that really means is the power 147 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.480 to put money in the purse, and the president is 148 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:58.519 the one who takes it out of the purse and 149 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.360 spends it for the purposes to which it's been appropriated. 150 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:02.680 If the appropriation is. 151 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.360 Vague, and many of them are, then I think there's 152 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.240 more latitude for a president to say, no, I'm not 153 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:09.839 going to spend it on this or that or this 154 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.480 is a mistake or something like that. That's what Jefferson 155 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.560 did two hundred plus years ago. If Congress is specific 156 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.120 and we're all familiar with the scandals of earmarks, you know, 157 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.279 a clauset a bill that says I want six million 158 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.800 dollars for a post office in my district. That's specific 159 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.040 enough that the president has less discretion. And so it's 160 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.920 somewhere in between heres where we are a bit of 161 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.759 a no man's land. And finally, after as I say, 162 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.079 two hundred years of intermittent empowerments by presidents, I think 163 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:38.720 we're now going to finally clarify this and Congress will 164 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.680 either have to do this job better or you know, 165 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:41.959 we're going to have to sort it out. 166 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.560 Yeah. I mean everyone's afraid of the answer, right, and 167 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.399 the left is afraid of the answer, and the right 168 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:48.040 is afraid of the left is afraid that the answer 169 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.759 is going to be the people don't want to need this, 170 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.360 and the right is going to be is afraid the 171 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.040 answer is going to be the people want all of it. 172 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.800 They want all of it, And that is that's why 173 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.040 we kept a murky for so long. I mean, I 174 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.319 would actually be willing my grand bargain to everybody is 175 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.879 to say, look all earmarks, pork barrel spending all okay, fine, 176 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:13.480 go right ahead, one knock yourself out, in exchange for 177 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:18.079 never writing in any spending or spending authorization bill to 178 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:23.399 phrase the Secretary shall or at the Secretary's discretion check 179 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.839 that to me is I'll I'll give you. I'll give 180 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:36.559 you the Robert Byrd Memorial Traffic Safety Building Members one 181 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:40.159 through ninety seven in West Virginia, in exchange for never 182 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.039 ever saying again the Secretary shall right. 183 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.600 People don't in general want all of it. They want 184 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.679 their part. They want the part that comes to their community. 185 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:51.879 Perhaps they want their social security, their Medicare, and the 186 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.320 rest of it. But when it comes to many the 187 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.240 things that we learn government are spending on, I don't 188 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.000 think they're very popular. And I'm very happy that the 189 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.559 other side has chosen a variety of hill on which 190 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:04.960 to die which are not particularly attractively aesthetically, politically, intellectually. 191 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.480 You want to make the argument that it is necessary 192 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.799 for somebody to work half the year so that the 193 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:12.960 entirety of the money they contribute to the tax coffers 194 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.440 should go to an agency. On the other side of 195 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.159 the globe, which then pumps it into an NGO that 196 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.840 is studying disinformation technique in Scotland. No, not going to happen, 197 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.080 And when people realize this is what's going on, we think, well, how. 198 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:26.559 Did this happen? 199 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.480 Exactly? Well, because we haven't had specific budgets, but we've 200 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.519 been ruled by continuing resolutions, which is like stuff in 201 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.720 a burritle full of something, eating it halfway and then 202 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.840 putting it aside, and then restuffing it next year, and 203 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.480 everything gets rolled over and rolled over until the ingredients 204 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.879 are all intermingled and it's a mess and no one knows. 205 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:47.159 Burn it down and then build it up. That seems 206 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.039 to be the idea. Now, no one's ever tried this before, 207 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.759 but if they, you can actually find speeches by Bill 208 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.480 Clinton and Barack Obama talking about the need to go 209 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.360 through government line by line. You, I mean, Bill Clinton 210 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.080 was all about that government efficiency project. Barack Obama said 211 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:04.840 he was going to go line by line. Is it 212 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.080 only bad when the other side does it well? Or 213 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:10.960 did you just know that nobody really meant it at 214 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.360 all in the first place, which I think is the case. 215 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.879 But you know, we'll see education department is going to 216 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.240 be the big argument now, and this one is shaping 217 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.559 up to be as clearheaded and as non inflammatory, and 218 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:27.320 it's rhetoricaus everything else. I love the fact that people 219 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.679 say seventh graders can't read, fourth graders can't count beyond five, 220 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.360 college students can't write a paragraph, and this is the 221 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.919 time to destroy the Department of Educators. That well, no, actually, 222 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.039 that's the argument for perhaps changing what we've been doing 223 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.039 thus far. Where do you think this is going to go? 224 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:46.399 Guys? 225 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.480 Well, I think there are many programs in that the 226 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.759 Department of Education oversees that are driven by statute. So 227 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:54.919 Trump can't just wipe those away at the stroke of 228 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.320 a pen or with Obama's phone if he borrows in. 229 00:10:57.720 --> 00:10:59.480 But he could move them to other departments. I think 230 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.240 that's what's happen in the executive orders. Let's move certain 231 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:04.960 student loan programs and certain other grants and aids to 232 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:08.879 other departments and break up the monopoly the Department of Education. 233 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.000 By the way, the rump you leave behind is some 234 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:14.200 of the really bad and ideological stuff, and that might 235 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.960 make it easier for Congress then to kill it. Or 236 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.080 the latest idea is see if you can't wrap getting 237 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:25.639 rid of the Department of Education in the reconciliation budget 238 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.240 process later in the year, that will require only fifty 239 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:32.039 one votes, so it will get around the inevitable democratic filibuster. 240 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.360 Maybe that will work and we'll just have to see 241 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.279 how it goes. As Trump likes to say, but I 242 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.679 think Trump as usual is on the attack and has 243 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.840 the back on their heels, and that's fun to watch. 244 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:43.679 I haven't heard anything you said since you use the 245 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.000 phrase of the rump you leave behind. Yeah, well he 246 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.480 was actually a torch song from nineteen forty two. 247 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.440 Rob. Yeah. I think it's I mean, look, it's this 248 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.519 is a thing that I mean, this is a thing 249 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:02.200 that conservatives have been like about, like this is crazy, 250 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:04.120 and then and now that it's happening, it's like, well, 251 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.039 wait a minute, is it really happening. I mean, I 252 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:08.639 kind of don't I kind of I will not believe 253 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.519 it's happening until the I see the for rent you know, 254 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.759 office space sign in the building. But it's you know, 255 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.759 and I have no doubt and no lack of confidence 256 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.159 that the Trump administration can fumble this and make this 257 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.720 a disaster for them, and also not accomplish it just 258 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.879 toxify the topic, because they're toxic in a lot of ways. 259 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:35.039 But this simple argument is, you know, is your child, 260 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.799 is your children, as George W. Bush said, is your 261 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:39.000 children being educated? 262 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:40.120 Is it? 263 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.200 Is it better or worse? Do you think that it's 264 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.960 better for there to be a pot of money in 265 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.960 DC that's sort of sprinkled around the nation, or you 266 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.639 think it's better for all that to go back to 267 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:51.240 your neighborhood and your school. And I just don't think anybody. 268 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:52.639 I mean, if you look at all the surveys and 269 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.919 people and their education, they generally believe in school choice. 270 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.960 Like that's actually a very popular idea at school choice 271 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:02.679 school vouchers. That tends to be popular. And then when 272 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.919 you say to those parents who are in favor of it, okay, 273 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:08.120 it's going to be a little chaotic. Obviously for the 274 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.759 first two three four years, they always say, well that 275 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:13.519 I'm against it because I have jury rigged and sorted 276 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.759 out my kids school and I don't want to mess 277 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.120 it up because I figured it out and I don't 278 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.159 want to mess it up. And then that's usually when 279 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:24.840 the school choice of initiatives go down. Arizona is a big, 280 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.080 big Arizona is a fantastic you know, Governor, do you 281 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.720 see in Arizona's great hero for this right? So the 282 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.799 question is whether people are going to have that psychology 283 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.559 is going to be applied to this too. Like I 284 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.080 generally agree with your idea, say some voters, and the 285 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.440 Department of Education is foolish and hasn't really accomplished the mission. 286 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:44.320 But I'm not sure I want to throw it away. 287 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.320 And I think there's subtle argument that the Trump people 288 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:48.000 are gonna have to make. 289 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:50.399 It's something that I see all the time on Twitter. 290 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.000 There are two ideas. One in the Department of Education 291 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.399 is a tremendous waste of money and we should give 292 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.279 it back to the localities. And two, when you look 293 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.039 at these craziest school boards and the things they're saying, 294 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.919 so okay, right, fine, so we'll have to do something 295 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.120 about the local school boards then too. If they really, 296 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.639 if the Trump administration really wanted to get everybody on 297 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.799 board with destroying the dismantling the Department of Education, they 298 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.519 would push through an America first, classical Western aesthetics, patriotic 299 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.919 agenda that must be filtered down to every single school 300 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:25.799 district and taught and the follicles on fire would be 301 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.440 extraordinary all across the spectrum. This would be seen as 302 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.799 another attempt Nazi like to take the culture and indoctrinate 303 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.279 it from the top down winds. I tend to suspect 304 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.679 is to being done nowadays anyway, just from a different direction. 305 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:43.399 Stephen anything, before we go to the guest portion of 306 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:44.399 our piece. 307 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:48.720 Well, let's just remember that federal aid education didn't start 308 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.679 till the nineteen sixties, which is relatively. 309 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.320 Recent, when it had started getting really better. 310 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.039 Yeah, well, and I mean, how do generations of American 311 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.279 children ever get educated without federal dollars? Then? Second, I 312 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.000 sometimes challenge people or defy people. Tell me one thing 313 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.480 about public education that the Department of Education has improved 314 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.840 with data, right, They've like lots of data, and you 315 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.759 can't They've had no effect on it. And finally, the 316 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.639 constitutional point, you know, the point that's starting in the sixties. 317 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.000 It was the late James COO. Wilson used to say, 318 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.559 because there's nothing in the Constitution about education, it's not 319 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.879 in the enumerated powers of Congress, it was left to 320 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.759 the states. And that was he said. That was the 321 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.000 moment when we crossed the line constitutionally to saying Congress 322 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.440 can now appropriate money for anything and blur, and it 323 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.080 wrote federalism further and so forth. So I think it's 324 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.480 long overdue to get rid of the department, and then 325 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.039 it will get better, as I think, for all the 326 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.519 reasons Rob knows and has advocated for so long. 327 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.240 True, well, at least in bluryers will be happy about 328 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.480 it because they'll get better workers. And doesn't that sound 329 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.440 like some horrible thing you just want a bunch of drones. No, 330 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.200 they just want people who can make change without having 331 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:54.879 to consult an app on their phone. 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Mark, how are you. 373 00:17:58.319 --> 00:17:59.240 I'm doing very well. 374 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.920 Thanks for having me speaking of plosives and peas and 375 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:03.519 all the rest of these things. We have a new 376 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.640 paradigm in town. It seems Customs Border Protection released report 377 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:12.319 seventy percent drop and encounters at the southern border. What 378 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.079 massive government program was put into place that did that? 379 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.039 Did they actually build a wall that we were looking? 380 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:18.279 Well? 381 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.079 No, a climate change ended, poverty, all of those things ended, 382 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:27.240 and magically the flow just stopped. In fact, what happened 383 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.839 was the policy changed. The reason people were coming is 384 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:32.839 because they could get away with it, and they could 385 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.759 succeed under Biden. It was worth paying smugglers, it was 386 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.480 worth taking the risk of going through Mexico because your 387 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:46.200 odds of being released into the United States were very high. 388 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.920 Now they're not. So why, you know, why spend the money, 389 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.960 Why take the risk? I mean it's in fact, we 390 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.680 had a couple of guys to go down to different 391 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.960 parts of the border last week and there were parts 392 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.480 of the border where there were days where there were 393 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:05.359 zero got aways, zero attempts to cross, you know, particular 394 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:06.440 sections of the border. 395 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:06.880 Zero. 396 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.200 It's not clear that's ever happened, at least not in 397 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:16.880 the twenty first or twentieth century. So it's a huge change, 398 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.240 There's just no question about it. And it's you know, 399 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.720 elections of consequences. Market's Steve Hayward. 400 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.400 Actually, James, I'm in Dallas today, I'm on the move 401 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.799