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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Halloween retrospective.

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And this year we're doing We're doing the Shining lead Jim,

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and thank you to the patrons for putting in the

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suggestions and the Patreon producers for putting it in there.

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And thank you Patreon producers for not picking a movie.

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I just watched the last year Halloween retross. We did that.

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The franchise we're doing retrospective next year, we did that,

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So I thank you for picking some of that. You

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know I see all the time, but luckily hadn't watched.

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I am the Caretaker tras now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the two thirty seven enjoyer Kirk con pat Sir, Oh,

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my name is Dylan Muss.

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Speaker 3: I am a dull boy taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, slaves, gentlemen, I think I already said it. But

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if you haven't guessed, or maybe you just skipped ahead,

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you don't like the intros. We're here to talk about

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the Shining. We do this every year in the fall.

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Somehow we don't have any in the other year has

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been the fall. We do a Halloween movie, a video

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game movie, and a Christmas movie, so that would be

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the next one. If people are wondering in November, I

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start making a poll here or end of October, I'll

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make a poll and ask you guys for some submissions.

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I feel like for the video game ones, I know

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we still got quite a few, but I feel like

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eventually we could get to the end of that, you

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know where Halloween, Christmas could be around. But yeah, that'll

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be the next one. So stay tuned. You can put

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in submissions. If you join Patron very much appreciate and

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a producer, you get to pick everything we're doing. I

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don't know when does this coming out thing. It will

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come out for everybody close to Halloween. But just head

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down below for everything you know that has everything for

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what we do, video audio, patre where you get ad

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free episodes, do voting like I just said. But most importantly,

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November eighth is our Extra Life charity stream. We're trying

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to raise twenty five hundred dollars for the BC Childn's Hospital.

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But luckily, if we don't hit that, all the money

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keeps towards the BC Chiln's Hospital. As we've said, if

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we can get close to that, boys, we will hit

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twenty k Canadian for our BC Chilnes' Hospital the entire

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time we've been doing it in nine years, it's pretty impressive.

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More than a thousand and eight or how does that

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work up? More than I don't know. I had the

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math in my head. I just thought been something. I'm

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just yeah, it's just even a thousand year it's great.

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So I guess that. And there's gonna be lots of

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things you get on the lock along the way. It's

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gonna be a very fun time. Old events, new events,

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the same old Shenanigan's at one to two am, so

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look out for that. But here we are. I don't

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know I want to start with. I think I'm gonna

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start with mister Musk, because I feel like I've talked

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to Taylor about this movie many times. I know Taylor's like, oh,

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I hope that wins the poll, So I think I

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know Taylor's thoughts on this. So misters, I'm gonna ask

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was this the first thing you've seen? Is? If not,

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when did you see it before? And what was your

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history with the shining or like I said, is the

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first time.

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Speaker 4: The first time I watched it was back in the

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Dome era, so it would have been seven eight years

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ago something like that, because I think Sarah's you know,

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was a fan, and so we watched it.

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Speaker 1: Really, Okay, is it just a you two or was

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there other people around?

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Speaker 4: Clinton was probably pounding around in the background. I don't

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remember the full scene. B Amber was there, Not exactly sure,

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but yeah, yeah, that was the first time I watched it, so,

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you know, kind of years later after hearing that it's

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one of the greats and all that, and then I

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think I was on the Doctor's Sleep review. I'd have

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to go back in the annals of time and check

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with that YouTube video. No, because I definitely saw it

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and remember talking about it for Golden Geek later. Okay, yeah,

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so that makes sense. But yeah, and then I think

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even just like looking around, like I don't know if

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Kubrick things I've seen, there's maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Many Omintal Jackets, eyes white Shute that you should up.

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It's a Christmas movie, you should boot that up. Doctor

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middle school or anything like that? I didn't clockwork Orange.

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Speaker 4: Feel like I've seen that one.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember Eyes White Shot. Great Christmas movie, Go

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watch it, you know, friends.

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Speaker 4: I'll put it on the list. But really, I think

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it's mostly just this now, and this is the second

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time I've watched it. I don't think I did a

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rewatch at any point in time, and I don't I've

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been thinking a lot. I guess I watched this a

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few days ago thinking about how I want to talk

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the movie this time around, which is like kind of

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surprising to me because it is just one of those

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movies considered one of the best of all time and

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like one of the greatest performances of all time, and

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felt like pacing wise, I had some issues with it.

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and I think by the end of it, I was like,

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amount of ambiguous ending where there's it's like fun to ruminate.

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like this movie just like didn't give me enough answers,

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and like it's not really that fun to think about it.

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look at it. And then yeah, I was reading a

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bunch of theories online and like, none of these make

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any sense to me. So I don't know where these

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you know, people are pulling these crazy theories from. Maybe

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you guys are some of those people as well and

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have some crazy theories. But overall, I think it's a

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you know, totally solid movie, well made, Like the cinematography

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is really good. I think the music is good, but

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it's just like once again pasting things. Sometimes I feel

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like these strings are just going off for too long.

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a good tension building way. I think your performances are

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are pretty good here, but there's definitely some things I

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would cut, Like I feel like this movie could. I

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could knock sixteen minutes off this movie, and I think

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it would be better in my opinion for me personally.

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a not a common opinion. But yeah, I had a

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decent time with it, but I think I found myself

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a little underwhelmed the second time around, And yeah, like

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this didn't really leave me wanting to like put this

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on every year and like, oh, I got to revisit

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this see how it ages with me. I just I

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don't know. I'll probably watch it again in my life,

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but not really in a rush to do so.

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Speaker 2: Mister pats A, Yeah I got I got some good

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juicy history with this film. My dad showed this to

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me and my sister when we were probably a little

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bit too young, just to just to get that that

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shining isms ingrained in my brain.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like you see those twins that line

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not so much more so, uh.

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and just like the like the like the notable references

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to this movie. I already kind of knew some of

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them of before I even watched the movie, whether it

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was like the Simpsons or Family Guy doing like their

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own versions of like it. It just seemed like it

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had been just credited in like many things of the

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past like leading up to it. So my first time

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viewing it, I also probably like was like I probably

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didn't sit down for the whole two and a half hours.

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just wanting to move around and I don't know, just

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just not just sit there. And because because it.

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Speaker 1: Is a slow there's a little burn. Yeah, there's like

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the first half an hour. It takes its time. There's

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no like jump scares or anything. So I imagine it's

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like a young and you're kind of like, all right,

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especially if you're like it's a scary movie, look out

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and you're like it's just like a marriage drama for

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the first half an hour, you know.

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the acts like stuff like that. But like since then,

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more I do enjoy it. And yeah, this most recent

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just because I think going into it, I was just

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I see this movie as being like like a ride,

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like like a like a like an interesting carnival ride.

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Speaker 2: It's not like high extreme Ocdane action. It's just from

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start to finish, like going on that that long road

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just to the Overlook Hotel. I'm like, all right, this

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definitely unsettling at times, and I think, like the music

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just the actual Overlook Hotel itself. Like it's just the

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 5: That snow man? That snow is deadly?

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like the like the garden maze too, just like the kitchen,

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the dry storage, the like Jack's writing room, Like there's

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Speaker 1: The name of the documentary?

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it's it just seems so fascinating the making of this movie.

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a documentary of the making of The Shining, and that's

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just like the production of it. But the Room two

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thirty seven there does give some insight to the making

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maybe forty percent of stretch up. But then a lot

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of it is just like theory crafting, and some of

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even today I learned because I rewatched Day and was

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looking at trivia, I learned something that I've never known,

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and I'm like, oh man, that's so cool that that's

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in the movie. But stuff where it's like, well, this

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like it's just a guy's skiing, but because he's posed,

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he looks like, I guess a menatar, but I'm like,

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because like like a menotar and there's all this stuff

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like what it goes to, and that just leads into

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like how it's secretly about the you know, destruction of

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the American or Native American lifestyle and all that stuff.

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the guy I can't remember his name when Jack gets

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the job and you know they shake hands. When he

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folder in front of him and it's angled in the

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some peel. Even one guy admits he's like I've watched

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this movie legitimately too many times, like I have to

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stop watching it, but he's like I keep watching it.

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So yeah, it is worth a watch if anyone's never

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seen it and likes the movie. Definitely watched two three seven.

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Some stuff's crazy, some stuff's like, holy shit, and then

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there's a lot of in the middle.

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Speaker 6: So mister Field, hmmm, yes, So I could not tell

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you when the first time was that I saw this movie. Uh,

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definitely a good minute ago. But for me, this is, uh,

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it's one that it gets better every time I watch it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's something that like it just I

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don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 6: It's like an acquired kind of just thing that gets

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better and better and better.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is because now you're relating more

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 6: I am, I am right on my typewriter.

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Speaker 1: Fucking understand me. Yeah, if you hear me typing, or

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you don't hear me typing, stay the fuck daddy. That's

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that Sailor.

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Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson is fucking outstanding in this movie. Holy shit.

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But say that for later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: No, this movie just it's a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: I ended up buying on DVD because I thought I.

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on streaming. I just want to own it. It's I

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I'll watch it whenever I want to watch it, and

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usually I watch it every Halloween now. I think for

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the past few years I've just put it on every

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single Halloween because it's just such a spooky movie from

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the moment that it starts. Yes, it is a slow burn.

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I can totally totally accept that. And where it kind

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of steers off though with just being a slow burn,

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just kind of instilling the sense of remote and the

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sense of isolation, even though it's a very large place.

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terms there too. Like there's just so many different things

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Speaker 3: I've not read the book.

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Speaker 6: I know the book has a lot more expanded stuff

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on here, And there's even a scene where because I

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was just like looking at some differences between the book

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and with this and I kind of want to read

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the book. But there's a moment where Jack snaps out

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of his possession and he has a full moment with

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Danny and he's super just like set with himself to

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strop then he like gets the overlooked takes back control

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of him and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: I would have loved that.

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Speaker 3: If that was in the movie, I think that would

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have been a crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: But because Stephen King, Hey, that's a legend. He fucking

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hates He hates this movie so much. Who if you

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didn't know, also wrote the book. His biggest thing is Jack.

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Because Jack, which we'll probably talk about with many scenes,

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he wrote this book when he was just recovering from alcoholism.

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for alcohol and you know, all that stuff and being

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an addict.

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Speaker 6: So and that makes the book more like from Jack's perspective, right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the movie's just kind of almost like

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it's kind of like from the house perspective, Like even

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the way the movie opens up when it's this kind

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of like ghost just falling in the car, I feel

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like because like there's a whole fifteen minutes where just

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Scatman Crothers is the main character and he's like on

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the highway and he's at the hotel and he's making

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calls that I feel like it kind of goes in

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pieces of when people take over, So I think it's

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kind of a an ensemble going on. But that's the

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biggest thing is with which we'll get into. In the book,

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Jack is like a kind of like a normal guy

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who does suffer from a callism, where I don't I

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think he doesn't really appreciate that. Clearly, Jack Torrance in

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the movie has some more demons than just out like

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I feel like Jack Torrens in the movie, even before

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the shining, is probably a bit of an asshole right

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where in the book he's he's not. I have read

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the book. I go against King on some things, and

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I get the point there, but I think it's tough

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because I like what they did with obviously Nicholson, but

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I do he'd hate to hear it. I do think

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the movie's better than the book because I think the

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book kind of gets a little meandering at parts, and

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in the book's way more supernatural, where there's only technically

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one supernatural thing that happens in this and even then

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you could write off of how it's not supernatural, where

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the book there's like ice sculptures coming alive and chasing you.

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So I like this one more where it's a bit

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more like I still think the house is haunted and

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there's superpowersful that stuff. I like that there's still kind

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of like a well, these people could just be crazy

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or it's like a cabin fever thing sort of thing, right, So.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, and I think that's that's one of

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the biggest things that I think. I was assuming that

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this was it was just cabin for you, but he

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started to go insane. Now I know that my dad,

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like U Kurklon was one of the reasons why I

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watched this when I was young, and so my.

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Speaker 7: Dad his belief.

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Speaker 3: Was that he was just possessed.

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Speaker 6: Jack Nicholson was possessed by the Caretaker spirit from before

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and again, this movie has so many interpretations. So could

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I ever pinpoint what the right way is? No?

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Speaker 3: And I really like that.

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Speaker 6: I like that there's so many different ways that you

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can look at this, so many things that you discover

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every time you watch this, and that's true, Like there's

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so many things that I feel are new. And I

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just really like the setting of being in this hotel

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and with the snow coming in and yeah, like you

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guys mentioned the maze and.

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Speaker 3: Everything going on, and.

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Speaker 6: The points where he's just going down this dark hole

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and the overlook is just hitting them and hitting them

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and trying to belittle further and further and further, and

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you can just see he's getting to that point where

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it's is gonna be no going back, and then finally

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you get to the point where he snaps, and uh,

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the ghosts are unlocking fucking doors for this guy now

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and he's getting out of the you know, the dry

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storage and all this other crazy Taylor or was it Danny.

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Speaker 7: You'll have to explain that that's fucking why.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's all I got. That's the only because everyone

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because everyone well or Tony, Yeah, because that's all I got.

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But everyone says because that's the one supernatural thing that

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happens in the movie, right where Jack's locked up, and

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that's the only thing that technically you see happen and

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the door opens. But then lots of people the theory

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that it was actually Danny or Tony that opened it

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for the dad. But I don't think it's Tony because Tony.

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Speaker 3: Is Tony was scared of the place, right.

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Speaker 1: Because Tony's him and the Tony's him from the future.

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It's it's it's why am I forgetting? Is the kid's

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name Jesus Christ? Why Danny? It's because Danny's middle name

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is Anthony, So Tony is him as an adult, and

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he's speaking to his younger self to like, that's why

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I don't I think they might talk about that a

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little bit. That might have been in the director's cut,

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because the director's cut is three hours. I'm not sure

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if you've ever seen that, you should, But in the

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books that's where it is. So that's why when he

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writes the word red rum, it is like his path

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is his future self letting him know, like, hey, this

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is what's gonna go down. That's why Anthony aka Tony

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is telling him, like, don't go there. Bad stuff's gonna happen.

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So it's a weird thing, but yes, it's it's uh

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from the chan.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be able to see it being Danny is

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the one opening up the door.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so either, But people just think like

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his Danny's kind of a fucked up kid. Maybe he

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just opened the door or whatnot, Like maybe he was

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possessed by a ghost because like he does get possessed

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in doctor Sleep, right, So and there's also like I

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wish I agree with the theory that people I don't

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know if they ever outright say it, he might in

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doctor Sleep. But Jack does have the shining as well.

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So that's why it's led to that theory of wolf.

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Jack has the shining and he can get possessed, and

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Danny has a signing and he can get possessed, and

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that's why the door could open that way. But again

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there's nothing to prove that, just just the theory. But

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there's something I could open that door.

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Speaker 3: So that's one of the things too.

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Speaker 6: With all these different spirits and poltergeist exists in the Overlook,

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I like kind of their their origin when it comes

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to like the Caretaker or you know Room two three seven,

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the girl luring in young bell boys and then taking

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advantage of them and then killing herself, and then you

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have other Uh, there's another guy.

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Speaker 3: Who owned it and then he sold it.

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Speaker 6: He sold the Overlook and then he acquired it in

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the back end of things, and then he was just

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he apparently they from what I was reading, he owned

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a part.

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Speaker 3: Of Las Vegas.

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Speaker 6: He was just a rich guy who's doing very seedy,

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bad things, and I think he got killed in the.

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Speaker 1: Hotel, the parties and businesses and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly it, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: That's the classic built on inn your Indian barroial ground,

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which is never good. You ever hear that in the movie.

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It's that's game over, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But like one of my favorite parts in this is

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the chef Decalor and that character. I just I always

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get pumped up when he's coming back and it's just

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such a fucking crazy scene when Jack just just swings

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his fucking acts out.

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Speaker 1: They shot that scene forty two times. Forty two times. Yeah,

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Kubrick was a guy that did a lot of them,

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and I guess scatman Crothers at the end was kind

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of in tears because he's like, I don't know what

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you want me to do. Like his scene was just

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to act getting stabbed. He's like, I don't know what

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you want me to do, and then eventually Nicholson pull

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him side, is like he's sixty nine, Like let's let's stop.

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Nicholson seemed to be like the only guy that could

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kind of speak a little sense into Cubrick at times,

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because he was pretty hard him and duval Tu had

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a really bad which again I'm not saying is a

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great thing. Hitchcock used to do that too, where on purpose,

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Kubrick was making it very hard for Shelley so that

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could come out in the performance. And then after they

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were friends and she said it helped, but she said

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she also never wanted to work with him ever again.

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But he's, you know, one of those kind of craze

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directors that like it's almost yeah, which something that probably

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is not best nowadays. Just go to go to acting school,

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but back then that was all all the bee's knees,

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you know.

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Speaker 6: So, and my last thing on on that character, I

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didn't realize this until I was reading into it, that

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he's a chef that works in darry Maine because it's

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the same universe.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fun. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he saves Mike's or Mike's dad says that Dick

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had saved their lives.

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Speaker 3: During a fire.

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Speaker 6: Uh, and then that this is before he went off

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to become chef at the Overlook Hotel, which.

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Speaker 3: I thought, that's super fucking cool.

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Speaker 6: I love that kind of crossover stuff, and I would

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just like, I don't know what time period that is.

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But if you know the new IT Welcome to Dairy

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series through it like a cameo Dick like Dick character

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in there, like fuck, that is a very cool crossover.

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Speaker 3: I'm all for that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if they can legally do it,

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but there is going to be other Easter eggs to

476
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,799
other Stephen King stuff in the IT one. But imagine

477
00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,000
if the the creature landed there instead of Dairy. You know,

478
00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:00,640
I don't know what would happened. That had been like

479
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,759
a in the house working together or would that have

480
00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,279
been you know, one I have to eat each other.

481
00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:07,400
I don't know. I really don't know.

482
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 5: So be that much worse of a place to visit?

483
00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 1: Now? I got this clown given around giving guys blow

484
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,079
jobs and everything there. So which is in the book

485
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,920
in the book, it's a dog though it's it's different,

486
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:21,039
there's only difference. Instead of a bear, it's a dog.

487
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,000
So but uh yeah, I don't remember the exact year

488
00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:28,640
watched this movie, but I remember for Halloween, my Auntie

489
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,359
and I would always rent a bunch of movies, Like

490
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,640
there was one year we just went through the entire

491
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,519
Nightmare in Elm Street series it's like, oh, I thought

492
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,559
you'd like these, and then we just watched a Saturday

493
00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,880
Sunday watch every single one. And I think this was

494
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,720
in like a bunch of It might have been a

495
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,279
Stephen King one, because that's what we do. We kind

496
00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:47,400
of have themes or franchises. I remember specifically the blockbuster

497
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,200
like DVD case of course it's this Jack Nicholson like

498
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,279
going like that, and I think it must have been

499
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,720
like it must have been two thousands, because the first

500
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,559
DVD I remember owning being a big deal was Planet

501
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,480
of the Apes and that was in Oh, so I

502
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,759
feel like it must have been in that era. So

503
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:07,039
I was probably like around ten when I saw this,

504
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,440
but it was to the point where you guys talking

505
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,119
about the references like that, here's Johnny. I didn't even know,

506
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,880
like I didn't know about Johnny Carson yet. So until

507
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,759
like later on my dad tell him, like, well, that's

508
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,799
like from a very famous comedian. He was like, I

509
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:20,759
just always thought that was from that And even then,

510
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,880
for the longest time, I thought his name was Johnny

511
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:24,880
because it's a kid you don't really pick up like

512
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,440
like all the names, you don't remember that. So for

513
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,799
the longest time, I thought, oh, well, he's just saying

514
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,480
here's john because it's him. And then I was like,

515
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,599
it's just like, no, shit, you not. One time when

516
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:35,599
we went camping and my trailer in the States, my

517
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480
someone had like the hundred greatest musicians, and that's how

518
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:40,759
I learned Michael Jackson was like a black man because

519
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,279
my whole life I just grew up with the way

520
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:44,960
his pigmentation was. And again my dad also dropped that

521
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,440
knowledge of oh no, look at all this stuff, and

522
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,960
I was like, whoa you know? So I guess my

523
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:50,640
dad was always just dropping knowledge of just calm and

524
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,319
stuff that I should have learned along the way, but

525
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,720
I didn't. So Johnny's one of those. But I remember

526
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:58,880
watching that and same thing feeling all around that I

527
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,000
was too young for that. I was scared, but just

528
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,839
like and there is scary stuff, but same thing of

529
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,200
like I don't think I fully get at that point,

530
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,359
but I and I think it was. It takes a while.

531
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,519
It's two thirty, but I still remember enjoying it, especially

532
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,440
the back half, because Nicholson is to me, if you're

533
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000
gonna put up who plays the best, like crazy person

534
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,559
without a doubt it's Jack Nicholson. There's so many people

535
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,000
that try to do this or it's variations of that,

536
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,119
and you can feel like they're playing crazy or they

537
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,000
only get a little bit of that with Jack Nicholson,

538
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,000
his expressions and the way he'll ramily pronounce things, or

539
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,359
his eyes. Man, his eye. We talk about Tom harry

540
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:34,079
I work his eye work in this movie. Jack Nicholson

541
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,640
should have got an Academy Award for this, which is funny

542
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,119
because when this movie came out, it was pretty panned,

543
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,720
It got Razzie nominations, like it was a big like

544
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,279
oh this is not this is not Kubrick's best work,

545
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:46,160
and then kind of funny later on in life, it

546
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,799
feels like it's the one that's talked about the most.

547
00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:49,559
And they even took some of the Razzies away, the

548
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,079
Razzy thing because like, okay, we were we were wrong

549
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,480
about this. But yeah, Nicholson to me is peak insanity.

550
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,039
And that's why I like every once in a while

551
00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,359
you get to see like a little bit of him

552
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,680
break through, but then he's just back to just going

553
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,960
absolutely bonkers. And yeah, it's it's a top ten performance

554
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,640
from me because and even the stuff though at the

555
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
beginning of and I guess we'll talk about more specifically

556
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,640
it's all wait back, but just even it's a layered

557
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,279
performance throughout where it's this great thing of he's a dick,

558
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,680
but you can feel like he's maybe trying to be

559
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,440
a little bit better at the very beginning. But I

560
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,920
can't remember. I think it was Jack Nicholson that described

561
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,720
him this way of like he the way he played

562
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:29,960
the character was like he got Wendy pregnant on a

563
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,680
one night's stand and he's just fucked now, like and

564
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,440
he because he's in the time period, well she's pregnant,

565
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,400
so you gotta marry the woman and be a guy

566
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,880
and be a dad and a father. But I've always

567
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,400
loved that explanation of like, he never won this, but

568
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,640
he's trying to do good, but he is just a

569
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,440
piece of shit. And that's where the shining like kind

570
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,160
of amplifies that. But everything I could say like this

571
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,160
to me for me as a masterpiece, I watched this,

572
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:54,400
I'll say once a year, but sometimes it's twice. Last

573
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,720
year I got to see it in the theaters for

574
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:59,640
the first time and that was fantastic. And then yeah,

575
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,359
just I love the score. The score is not really

576
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,920
one you can like listen to outside because it's just

577
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920
there's a lot of like strings or pianos or just

578
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,039
drums going off that and there's a lot of chanting.

579
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,359
There's one my favorite track, gets win Scatman Cruthers get stabbed.

580
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,440
Other than the main title secrets I can I'm not

581
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:22,799
I'm gonna butcher how it's said a ringa Wan Julia.

582
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,000
That's when he gets stabbed, and it's just like but

583
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,240
like then it's a nine minute track. There's just like

584
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,240
four minutes of just chanting and just like ghost sounds

585
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,039
and everything. So it's purely just for the movie. But

586
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:37,440
one of my favorites. Cinematography is amazing. There's so many

587
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,000
just still shots that are incredible, like you can make

588
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,519
as a painting. But just like I said, the opening

589
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:45,880
up of that highway of like it should seem kind

590
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,599
of mad, but with the score, with the chanting, with

591
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,079
the way it works, it just like it sets you

592
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,480
the mood right away of Okay, you're going someplace that

593
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,039
you shouldn't be. And yeah, the rest of the cast

594
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,799
is great too. Yeah, I love everything about this movie.

595
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359
I lost track of how many times I've watched this.

596
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,359
This is one of those movies that I finished today

597
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,319
and I could just be like, man, I could just

598
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:09,359
watch this again, and I might before Halloween because it's

599
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,519
just because I kind of watch this more trying to

600
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,480
be a critical line things through the review, but just

601
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,640
for a enjoyment level. And yeah, the painting, the like

602
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,559
the beginning doesn't ever feel slow to me because it

603
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,960
just feels like it's the big setup for everything, you know,

604
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,160
and I feel like it all pays off h near

605
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,359
the end. So yeah, no, I'm picked, and I'm happy

606
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,279
to be finally talking about this because it's been waiting

607
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,079
and it was almost one of the pre two because

608
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,039
it's like this fight Club A couple others also a

609
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:35,480
pic shame to round out that circle. But man, this

610
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,920
is a incredible movie and Cubric is just many he

611
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
was on operating on a different level, especially the stuff

612
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,279
when you do watch the document, stuff that they do

613
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,039
find and that is specifically they talk about, like how

614
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,519
with the Native Americans. At first, it seems like, oh,

615
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:51,480
that doesn't seem like that's a real plot, but then

616
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000
there's photos of him behind the scenes positioning the cans

617
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,480
in the food room to look a certain way. So

618
00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:58,960
then when you see in the movie, you're like, oh

619
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,640
my god, Like that's what I means. And they're looking

620
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,920
at different characters at different times. It's just his mind

621
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,079
was just at times operating on a different level. Maybe

622
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,880
maybe at times made hard to work with. But that guy, like,

623
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200
I don't know if there's anybody working like he was.

624
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,400
And that's in all stuff, but in this one specifically,

625
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,680
he was just firing on all cylinders. So yeah, love it.

626
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,799
But where should we go? Should we go with certain characters,

627
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,799
certain moment theory? Where we want to start with this

628
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:26,240
this one?

629
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:26,519
Speaker 6: There?

630
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 7: I mean, I'll make a pitch here.

631
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,079
Speaker 6: Let's start with Wendy because I've not seen this actress

632
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:34,160
in anything else.

633
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: And when I put this movie on and.

634
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,039
Speaker 1: Saw pop Eyes with Rob Williams.

635
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,599
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen pop Eyes.

636
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,559
Speaker 7: She just drives Madison upp a wall.

637
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 6: So I can't stand her, and so I just have

638
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,640
to I have to figure this out. Is you know,

639
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,480
she's obviously has to act this way to just be

640
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,799
super just kind of oblivious and just yeah, I feel

641
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,079
like she's just always on Jack's nerves, I don't know

642
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,559
how well and be always well.

643
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: See, So you're saying, are you trying to say she's

644
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,480
also in your nerves too?

645
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just trying to figure out is this just

646
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,119
her as an actress or is this her playing I think.

647
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,079
Speaker 1: There's some likes of Shelley Devol, but she's not like

648
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,400
this in every role and everything. It's she's trying to

649
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,839
play like a that That's why I like the double

650
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,400
side of the coin, where he feels like he's very jagged,

651
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,920
very hard edged. He'd be pestimistic and she'd be optimistic.

652
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,240
And I think that's what shows where she's always happy

653
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,759
and bubbling, and even when he's happy at the beginning

654
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,359
of the movie, it feels to me completely fake, like when

655
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720
they're walking through the hotel and he has to phone back,

656
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,240
like you never believe him when he's like, yeah, I'm

657
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,160
trying to do good for the family and we're gonna

658
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720
you know, because even like the first day, when she

659
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,240
she approaches him, she's like, oh, after you do all

660
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:47,119
the stuff at the hotel, we can go for a walk.

661
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,200
He's like, well, I know I got to write today.

662
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,680
I haven't rown in a while, and she asks like, oh,

663
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,319
you got any ideas? Like not any good ones, so

664
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,039
it's like he doesn't actually have to write, like he's

665
00:28:55,319 --> 00:29:01,799
working on it. But like I feel that, like I said,

666
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,759
that's why I like that description of he's a guy

667
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:05,799
that got a girl pregnant on a one night stand

668
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,000
and he's just dealing with it. So I think they're

669
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,799
just completely two different personalities. But that's the time period

670
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,000
where she had a cave of someone you're getting married,

671
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,440
you know, you're you're all that, like that was expected

672
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640
of you to do so. But yeah, I think he

673
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,039
hates her guts, but I don't think she's she's She's

674
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:21,279
not like this in all movies.

675
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,079
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Taylor, like do you are you saying you

676
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,880
agree with Madison's take or do you not drive or

677
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,440
are you push that on a Madison or is that

678
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:31,000
you as well?

679
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 6: Like Madison bothers her a lot more. I I definitely

680
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,359
tolerate it for the entertainment factor.

681
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,839
Speaker 3: But it's, uh, yeah, she's just she's so.

682
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 6: Out there a way she's like screaming and freaking out.

683
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:45,359
It's like, okay, like this.

684
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: End, right, She's not screaming and freaking out when they're

685
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,759
just like chilling in the snow.

686
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,279
Speaker 4: Is strictly the performance for you, or is there like

687
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,519
the actions of the character that that annoy you.

688
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:57,799
Speaker 3: I think I think it's just.

689
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 7: I don't know if I would even see it as

690
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,720
like a really just a con.

691
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,279
Speaker 6: I guess it's just the way that she's just like

692
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,839
afraid and freaking out at certain situations.

693
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,799
Speaker 8: I just think, like, ah, like, I I don't know,

694
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000
you're you're not a like I don't agree, like I

695
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,079
like it for the movie, but there is other people

696
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
that feel like that's an overtop performance.

697
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,039
Speaker 1: But even people like Spielberg has said he felt that

698
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:22,960
about Jack Nicholson and then he kind of talked to

699
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Cuber and kind of got it. But Kubric the first

700
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,839
or spilling first time, said he didn't like the Shining

701
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,279
because he thought Jack was kind of like cheesy in it.

702
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,480
And then when he said, which it feels like, explained

703
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,279
the joke. But he had dinner with Cuber and Cuba's well,

704
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:34,880
this is what this is what it was supposed to be.

705
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,759
And he's like, oh, okay, I like it now, but

706
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880
you're not Like other people have said, like the DeVault

707
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,759
character is very loud and fairy, but for me it

708
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,599
kind of works as it is. This weird place. That's

709
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,039
just I feel like you're just always on acid in

710
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,519
the shining. You know, you're just getting souped up.

711
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 7: That's what I was I.

712
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 6: Was curious about hearing what you guys think if that's

713
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
like what they were trying to hit, if they wanted.

714
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,599
Speaker 3: This character to be that way.

715
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 6: And I guess if that is it, then I'll have

716
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:02,720
to watch it again and just to kind of like

717
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,920
look at it in a different light and see I

718
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,480
see more.

719
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:07,799
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds like that kind of what we

720
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,200
talked about, right. It sounds like that was the director's plan,

721
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,519
was to make her just completely unraveled by making her

722
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,039
do like I think they said like that. Also that

723
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,119
scene where you know she's crying, he's kind of following her.

724
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,400
She has to she's going up the stairs like she's

725
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,359
swinging the bat like apparently they did that like over

726
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,880
forty times or something. Yes, Like imagine being asked to

727
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,440
do that fucking scene forty times, like you're gonna be

728
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,279
You're you're having to force your body to cry over

729
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:33,440
and over again, and she's like her way to make

730
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,839
her put herself in that position is to like think

731
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640
about traumatic memories and things like that. So now she's

732
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680
just like all day long, for weeks or days or months,

733
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,079
whatever long. It is just like kind of being forced

734
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:45,640
to do these things over and over again. And like

735
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,319
I would be so curious to see like the third

736
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,880
take versus whatever one is in the movie that is

737
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
the final one, or if they just picked like, oh,

738
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,079
thirty two was actually the best or something. But I'm

739
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,119
curious to see how that performance would change in there.

740
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,359
But I think that's what it surprised me this go

741
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440
around with the movie is that I actually thought her

742
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,599
performance for me is better than Nicholson's in this I

743
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,920
think she does such a great job and in terms

744
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200
of the annoying factor of it, like I can see

745
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,799
where you're coming from, but like I don't know, like

746
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,119
put yourself in her shoes. Like it's kind of set

747
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,039
up as like he has to do this job, and

748
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,039
he's gonna be doing He's gonna be here all winter,

749
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,039
he's gonna be stuck in this place and he has

750
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,079
all these tasks to do. But across the movie, we

751
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:24,920
don't see him do shit. Like she's the one who's

752
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,920
put every day, she's taking care of the kid, she's

753
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,039
doing seemingly everything. I don't think we see him do

754
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:30,720
a single, like.

755
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,079
Speaker 1: She's calling the radio people like checking in with them, like.

756
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,119
Speaker 4: He's actually like making a mess of the place, like

757
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,200
and then and then and then you know, even when

758
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,920
she finds out, Okay, he's doing all this because he's writing,

759
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,799
and then he finds out like that he's not actually

760
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,559
writing anything of substance. Obviously that goes like right into

761
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,599
the scene of like the whole unraveling of everything. But man,

762
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,960
I just I feel like I have so much sympathy

763
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,559
for because she's doing more of a job than he is,

764
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,319
but like he props it up as him doing this

765
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,720
noble task. She's also checking in with the people on

766
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,640
the radio. He's not doing anything, uh, and yeah, Like

767
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160
I feel like maybe that's why I had more sympathy

768
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160
for us, because to me, she actually like felt like

769
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,359
a mother in this where he didn't feel like a father.

770
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,680
And I think that theory you had Travis's is interesting

771
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,720
because that does set it up, and that was something

772
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,359
I felt like maybe he took me out of his performance.

773
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,599
Nicholson's a bit is just like, well, I never actually

774
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,799
feels like he is a father at all in this

775
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:21,440
Like it doesn't feel like he has any chemistry with

776
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
a kid. But obviously that's part of the reason is

777
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,039
he doesn't really want to be and that's like what

778
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,640
the whole movie is kind of about it, and the

779
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,480
most I don't know, if you're trying to put an

780
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,920
interpretation on it, that's like the easiest interpretation to do.

781
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,400
But yeah, I really loved her performance. I think she

782
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,160
does a great job. And yeah, she's like I mean,

783
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,920
she she's cooped up here just like the rest of them.

784
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,400
She has cabin fever mixed with you know, being kind

785
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,279
of He probably doesn't even like have a conversation with her, Hey,

786
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:47,720
how are you doing. I don't think he'd ask her

787
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000
that once, you know. So she's just on her own

788
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,519
in here, having to deal with a kid who's like,

789
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,000
you know, kind of a trippy kid, you know, like

790
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,119
trying to take care of him. He's talking to his

791
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,480
imaginary friend. He's seen imaginary things like I don't know, man,

792
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,759
I don't I can see where you're coming from for sure,

793
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,160
in terms of like her screaming and crying a lot.

794
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,759
But I think it's outstanding performance.

795
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Well, and also you got to think about too, she's

796
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,719
going in there with the consciousness of like the hope

797
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,119
is it's the alcohol. But Jack still abused the kid,

798
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,519
right because when they talk, but she tells the nurse like, oh,

799
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,360
it was nothing, he just you know, the papers were everywhere,

800
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,480
and Jack pulled his arm as in separated his shoulder.

801
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,760
But when Jack tells the story, he's like that little shit.

802
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,039
And when Jack shows that he pulls the arm, the

803
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,800
difference of like, oh, so that's what Jack torns and

804
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,760
he didn't just like, oh, come here, kid, He literally

805
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,119
pulled that kid like with every powers. And that's where

806
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,760
I love when you get to see them both tell

807
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239
the story from their perspective. But even though Jack's still

808
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,280
doing the same thing like well it was nothing, it

809
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,360
was an accident, you know, but same thing she says, yeah,

810
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,639
But the way they tell the story shows so much.

811
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,400
That's the other thing too, that there she's being locked

812
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,880
up with a guy that they put it on the alcohol,

813
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,760
but I think it's just I think the alcohol, And

814
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,800
that's where I still put I can't push back against King,

815
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,559
it's his book, but like I feel like that's where

816
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,880
the alcohol in the show allegory still works because it's like, Okay,

817
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,079
let's say, he is a piece of shit guy, but

818
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:05,960
when he's off the sauce, he can like keep it

819
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,400
at bay right. He's not father year, but he can

820
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,119
just be like, I'll be working, get the moneys whatever,

821
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:12,920
do that right and not hit her or the kid.

822
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,800
And I feel like when he gets to the Shining

823
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,000
abestly he does start drinking, or the Overlook he does

824
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,320
start drinking again, that still kind of works as like

825
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,760
an alcoholic replacement as far as that's feeding him going.

826
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,400
And I think it's just also because he's the weakest

827
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,679
one out of the group, so the house can pick

828
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,400
on him and get him to do that stuff. But

829
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,159
to your point, deal about this his like chemistry of

830
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,119
the kid. That's why one of my favorite scenes is

831
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,599
when Danny goes to check on Jack when he's sleep

832
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,519
and and Jack gives this whole speech about how much

833
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:41,239
he loves him and he's gonna do the right thing.

834
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,119
And you know, when I write this book, the life's

835
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,519
gonna be so much better. But Jack the whole time

836
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,840
is if you were to read the script, you would

837
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,079
think this is a father reassuring his son that true

838
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,039
loves his son. But you watch Jack, Dude, he looks

839
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,559
like he's threatening him the entire time. He looks like

840
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,559
he is going to kill this kid right now, just

841
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,119
his faces and like, oh, never hurt you, and you're

842
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,280
like not believable at all. But that's what I like,

843
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,039
where I think that's the good thing, which they say

844
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,519
lots of times with kids, like Danny always picks up

845
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,880
right away more that something's off with the father versus

846
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,199
his mom. I think he's trying to see the best

847
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,159
him or trying to find some sort of light, but

848
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,480
Danny knows like, Eh, this this guy's not the.

849
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,119
Speaker 3: It's just one of those things, you know.

850
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I love and I love the scene

851
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,800
too where it starts with the first half the scene

852
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,159
it's just the mirror of them and they're in the bed.

853
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,760
Kind of goes back to earlier in the mirror. But yeah,

854
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,639
I love that scene of Jack and Danny, and I

855
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,039
think that's the last scene they have until they you know,

856
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,480
everything goes awry. So it kind of works that the

857
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,760
last thing they have is him like assuring him like, hey,

858
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,960
I'm never gonna hurt you, and then you know, cut

859
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,079
to him chasing with an axe.

860
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,599
Speaker 6: He the scene where he's chasing with an axe. You know,

861
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,159
it's just he shows more fatherly like I don't want

862
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,320
to say connection or whatever, but just more father like.

863
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,239
And he's just got this fucking smile on his face,

864
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,280
like he looks like a happy father.

865
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: Just wasn't for the axe and the fucking limp he's

866
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,559
got going.

867
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: He looks like a happy fall. I don't know if

868
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,760
I'm go that far. He's looking pretty deterred there.

869
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: Happy excited to find his son.

870
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,599
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's excited to find his son, right, you know.

871
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 6: Even in the maze too, Like when he's walking around like, fuck,

872
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,480
he's are we just talking about him now? He is

873
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,840
like or no, no, because Kirkling didn't talk about Wendy.

874
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's okay.

875
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, Chilly Devaul. I think she is fantastic in this.

876
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: I I think she plays her role like just just perfectly.

877
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,280
I I can definitely see where you're coming from with

878
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,280
like some of the annoyances of just just when she

879
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:45,440
goes like the extra the extra distraught, uhnis whatever.

880
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,079
Speaker 5: But I I think it is justified.

881
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:50,039
Speaker 2: I think I do sympathize with her, and I think honestly,

882
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:55,320
she's like probably giving Jack like way too much for

883
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,400
for for uh, like like what she's maybe like tolerating

884
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,400
with him, like like obviously she's defending him to the

885
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,159
like the the doctor lady, and then just like yeah,

886
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,840
just he's basically treating her like garbage, like throughout the

887
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,800
whole film, Like it seems like he has a little

888
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,960
bit more of like a like a facade like earlier

889
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:16,920
on in the in the in the movie, and it's

890
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,440
probably like the actual acting of the role of like Jack,

891
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,400
like when he's been what seems to be like a nice,

892
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,159
nice guy like to her, it still just feels like

893
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,519
it's like it's an act that he's doing. And I

894
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,800
think that is intentional, Like it's not just like a

895
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,760
bad actor showing me that he's acting in that role.

896
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,719
It's like, no, this is the character where he's actually

897
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,320
just so annoyed with his life that he has to

898
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,079
like put on this fake face that to just be

899
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:47,119
cordial with their marriage, right, yeah, the marriage, Yeah, like

900
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,880
with his wife. So I think she's she's super fantastic.

901
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,559
And honestly, this is probably like the first version of

902
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,760
like a final girl type character that I had experienced

903
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,039
like in movies. So I always just kind of see

904
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,880
her as being like the like the pillar of Like, Okay,

905
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,880
how are you gonna have like a girl running away

906
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,920
with the weapon trying to defend herself and just like terrified,

907
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,559
Like this is kind of what I would think of.

908
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:18,880
So I obviously hold her to to hire echelons because

909
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
of that, because it's just she is like the o

910
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,440
G final girl.

911
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,559
Speaker 5: And in my mind when when I look.

912
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: Back on just the earlier exposure to horror movies that

913
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,239
I've had, but no, she's she's super, super fantastic throughout

914
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,719
and uh yeah, I remember, like as a kid, like

915
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,920
seeing her early on in this in this movie, and

916
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,159
like before she hits the fan, I'm like, man, she's

917
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,400
just she's freaky. She just freaks me out. There's some

918
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,079
about her. It's just she's got a I don't know.

919
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:48,599
I don't want to rag on anyone's like physical traits

920
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,239
by by any means, but as a kid, I just

921
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,079
remember seeing her and being like, oh my god, like

922
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:54,119
that that's her.

923
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Her eyes are very big, so I think they but

924
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,280
I think they work for this role, especially because they

925
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,920
have to do a lot but expressive. Yeah, to Dylan's

926
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,800
point two about the eyes and the crying At one

927
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
point she had to start drinking more water because she

928
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,800
had no more water left for the crying scene, so

929
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,480
she just had to start chugging back where I get

930
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,039
some liquids going on. So the next GV film, you know,

931
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,519
I'm much more the Clint Eastwood one take. We're good.

932
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,159
You know mine's mine's more because we don't have the time.

933
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,760
But you know, there's something like that style some people

934
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280
don't like Fincher. Is that style? Now? That's why Jake

935
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,199
Jillenholl won't work with him. I remember there's this whole

936
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,840
thing in Zodiac where it's this literally Jake putting down

937
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,719
a binder, and they shot that like fifty times, and

938
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920
after the movies like, I'm never fucking work with that

939
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,360
guy again, Like it was just a binder? Why am

940
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,840
I putting this down? He's like what? And there's a

941
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,519
whole clip online them arguing like you want to put

942
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,559
it down like this like this, and he's like, I

943
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,079
put it down like this. He puts it downy, No,

944
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,679
it's not how I want to put It's literally just

945
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,599
a hes a binder on his seat and it's the

946
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,159
funniest thing to watch in retrospect. But yeah, I don't

947
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:53,239
think I could ever. I feel like, unless it's like

948
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,079
Takes being screwed up, I feel like Tanna is maybe

949
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,800
the maxim like I wonder, but I get the point right.

950
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,760
The idea is you want to just keep going and

951
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,840
see further and further, because there's some people that say, oh,

952
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,719
that does help me, and that is like the longer

953
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,880
I got into, like you become more of that person

954
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440
versus you delivering the lines. But yeah, when you get

955
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,280
to that that forty sphere, I feel like I don't

956
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
know that that's gonna be something else. You know, that's

957
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,559
a whole different playing view.

958
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: So, Kirk, when you mentioned, uh, just the her being

959
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,719
the final girl is kind of a funny thought to me,

960
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,480
just because like that kind of implies that there's other

961
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,760
people that are dying in this. And that's where I

962
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,840
want to ask you guys about the Chef character, because

963
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,679
to me, that to me, it was like the most

964
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,239
obvious thing of like, what is this character doing in here?

965
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Like what is this add of the movie? This seems

966
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,199
to me like you cut him out of the movie,

967
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,599
you save fifteen minutes, We're all good. I feel like

968
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,880
obviously the start of the movie he's there. I mean, first,

969
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,360
as you guys mentioned, like the first half an hour

970
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,480
is just like expedition exposition, like dumping all over the place.

971
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,440
Obviously he's kind of the one who explains the concept

972
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,679
of the shining. Then I feel like the stuff later

973
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,639
on where he's like calling the station over and over again.

974
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,559
Then he gets up in his like in the in

975
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,840
the SnowCat thing. Then he's coming up and then he

976
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,880
just like dies instantly, And I feel like maybe the

977
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,320
purpose of that is that so that Jack had someone

978
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,480
to kill, because obviously there's not any other people here,

979
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,840
and they wanted there to be a big and actual

980
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,440
bloody murder, not just like a weird uh hallucination that

981
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,880
happened so many times. But for me, when that happened,

982
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,800
he was kind of like, well, what has this been

983
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,880
all for? Like I so, I'm curious what you guys

984
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,679
think of the chef and what does he add to

985
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,079
the movie other than like explaining the concept of the

986
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:23,360
shining to Danny.

987
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, I.

988
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: Take it as he's like a beacon of hope that

989
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,840
we have for like our innocent people in this film.

990
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Like from the get go, he seems really nice, like

991
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,840
he's talking to Danny and he's he just seems like

992
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,400
a nice man.

993
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: And then I think he's creepy.

994
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 4: The fact that he knows the kids like nickname to me,

995
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:43,480
he comes to Cors is so creepy.

996
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: In that scene, Well he read his mind right, Like yeah,

997
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440
so that's why because he and you know, they have

998
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:49,719
that connection going on.

999
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,599
Speaker 2: So just the fact that he like knows about the powers, like, Okay,

1000
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,760
this is probably someone I can I can trust in

1001
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,559
some way shape or for him, but I don't know.

1002
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,679
I got friendly vibes from him over creepy. But and

1003
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,280
then like later on in the film, he's like checking

1004
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,599
it up on them and then trying to get info

1005
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:10,519
through the like the patrol, the rangers or whoever is

1006
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,199
on the other side of the radio is there, Like

1007
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,639
he just like the one person that seems like, I

1008
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,360
don't know, he could potentially save these people, like like

1009
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,519
he's actually invested, he's actually traveling there, that he's traveling

1010
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,760
there in the SnowCat And then as a viewer, if

1011
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,239
you're watching this for the first time, it's like, this

1012
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,559
is gonna be the guy that actually saves the kid

1013
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,440
and and and the wife. But then to just instantly

1014
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,159
get bopped. I haven't seen a lot of Stephen King things,

1015
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,559
but I feel like Stephen King's has like a habit

1016
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,599
of just like giving you that like false hope and

1017
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,599
then just like gut punch, like we just murder this,

1018
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,639
this gentleman right in front of you, right when you

1019
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,880
think that he was about to get out. I think

1020
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,039
it was like the mist.

1021
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,559
Speaker 5: Did he do? The miss? Is that Stephen King product?

1022
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:51,159
Speaker 1: Missed? Yes?

1023
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 2: Which is the ending thing, the ending of that yeah,

1024
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,199
big gut punch, And I just remember it's like, Okay,

1025
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,920
I can never I can never have hope in a

1026
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Stephen King project these days. And that's kind of what

1027
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,079
I attribute that character to being. Yeah, but good, good point.

1028
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,840
There isn't really many people for Jack to take out

1029
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,519
beyond his family, so I guess it does add to

1030
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,239
just having someone as a victim so that we can

1031
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,920
have Wendy go in there and just freak out by

1032
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,599
seeing a body.

1033
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: I will say, even though you're right on the project.

1034
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,360
So if someone doesn't tell me the missed ending is

1035
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
actually a happy ending. The movie they changed it, Frank

1036
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,760
Durbant changed it to that really fucked up ending.

1037
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: Oh the movie.

1038
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: Oh, well, yeah, and King has been a record on

1039
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,880
that one saying it's better than his book the movie.

1040
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,039
So there you go. It's their verse there so.

1041
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:39,079
Speaker 5: More fucked up.

1042
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: Like an eight ball. And he's like, yeah, I'll say

1043
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,519
that's how I feel about this one.

1044
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's funny. I maybe I have it in there.

1045
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,639
But some point weird way that Hollywood works. That's Kubrick

1046
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,079
had the rights to The Shiny and Stanley Or and

1047
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,800
Stephen King didn't, so when they want to make the

1048
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,199
TV series, King had to go buy the rights back

1049
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,679
from Kubrick. And the deal was that to stop talking

1050
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,199
shit about the movie, and which he did do eventually,

1051
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,760
and then eventually yeah, and then the last then, I

1052
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,719
think the last time King on records spoke about it,

1053
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,400
he's like, oh, you know, I actually watch it now.

1054
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,880
I like it now, like more, I understand it a bit.

1055
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,800
But it's like, well, I don't know how genuine this is.

1056
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,760
But Excub's been dead for a while. But with Scatman Brothers,

1057
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,079
Fuck I love has one he won Flew Over the

1058
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,159
Cucko's Nest. That's another one he does with jack Man.

1059
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,719
That is a that's a really good one. Watch that

1060
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,119
at some point. That's another one that I think Jack

1061
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,199
went his first oscar for. I think, uh, I think

1062
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,800
so yeah, but uh so I think, yeah, he's there

1063
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,760
for the exposition he's I think they're trying to establish

1064
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,599
because I think that's one thing King likes to do,

1065
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,360
is he is trying to so all see lots of books,

1066
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,960
so same, but they're trying to establish it. The shining.

1067
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,239
He's not just exclusive to Danny. So it's like, Okay,

1068
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,639
it's going to be a multifacet okay, shine Like Danny

1069
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,719
has these shining powers. Scatman Crother has these shining powers.

1070
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:54,639
Jack does. They don't really say in the movie, but

1071
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,000
Jack does in the books. Uh. And then alsoly the

1072
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,079
house is kind of like a hotbed for that. And

1073
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,440
then practically also he does technically save them right because

1074
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,280
he gets the vehicle up there. I think the only

1075
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,239
thing I don't think you're wrong as far as like

1076
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,320
technically you could cut all that stuff out not make

1077
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,639
too much of a difference. I think kind of like

1078
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,320
to Kirkland's point, though, the first time I watched it,

1079
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,760
I thought he was I don't know if he's gonna survive,

1080
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,960
but I thought he was going to be the turning

1081
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,159
point of this mother and son are in big trouble

1082
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,360
and he's gonna save everything, and other than getting the

1083
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,480
vehicle up there, he doesn't, So I think he just

1084
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,719
kind of uses like a red herring, which I do enjoy.

1085
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,320
And then I also think from why that stuff so

1086
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,239
long in the movie, I think it's just to give

1087
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,440
the viewers a break because I feel like there's a

1088
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,719
lot of spooky, tense stuff going on, and then when

1089
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,440
he gets there and that whole segment happens, it's like

1090
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:44,400
right before we're gonna get to the really bad stuff.

1091
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,000
So I wonder if that's part of it, to like, hey,

1092
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:49,400
let's just have you know, five minutes here, ten minutes here,

1093
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,400
just to like give a breather, because there's not like

1094
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,320
you can't really give a breather a jack because he's

1095
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,119
off the deep end when he's fucking freaking out, Danny's

1096
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,119
just having seizures anywhere, there's no like comedic character, and

1097
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,400
that's kind of Scatman Crothers right, because he's kind of

1098
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,760
a happy, gold lucky guy. I appreciate. I ran the

1099
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,280
trivia that they put the naked photo of the girl

1100
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,159
because they want to establish this isn't like an uber

1101
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:11,159
religious like spiritual character, Like he's just a normal guy

1102
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,760
who happens to have like the superpowers like Danny. They

1103
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,760
didn't want to like make it like, oh he has

1104
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
a higher power. Its like no, he just he happens

1105
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:20,280
to have the shining too, and he you know whatever.

1106
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,800
So I think that that's why, So I could see

1107
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,719
that side of kind of things. But I guess it's

1108
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,840
it's still it still works for me. But I also

1109
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,440
just like Scatman Crothers. I love his voice. I just

1110
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,239
love the demeanor he has. And fan of I don't

1111
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,000
think I've seen a bunch of stuff, but fan of

1112
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,880
things I've seen him in. So but Taya you t

1113
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,159
told me earlier a fan of Dick.

1114
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 3: So I'm a fan of him.

1115
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, from the moment he's in there, and he just

1116
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,559
creates this kind of like bond with with Danny.

1117
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 5: I do like it.

1118
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: And I think that he's.

1119
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 6: Just ultimately serves as the purpose of just getting a

1120
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239
snowmobile out there to help them escape.

1121
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 3: That's that's just what it serves.

1122
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 6: And there's so many different theories that you can deep

1123
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:07,599
dive into about him being another method that the overlook

1124
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,840
is employing to try and get Danny out, to try

1125
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,480
and get to Danny by having, you know, this guy

1126
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,239
the chef come back, all these different things. That one

1127
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,000
was a loose one, and.

1128
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how that really goes.

1129
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it was like to coax Danny

1130
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,039
out so that like that Jack could get him or

1131
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,360
something like. I don't know, but there's just there's there's

1132
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,639
all these different things. The thing that I like is

1133
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:30,159
just the simplicity factor. He could sense Danny's in trouble

1134
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:31,880
because he had that connection and he wanted to go

1135
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,440
and help. And I feel like he probably knew he

1136
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:38,559
was gonna be his end by going up there. I

1137
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,800
feel like he might have had a hunch about something

1138
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,760
like that. But again it's up to interpretation.

1139
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 7: I don't know why to But when he's just.

1140
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,519
Speaker 6: Shit starting to go sideways, you can tell those negative

1141
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,880
energy forming and it just cuts to him in his

1142
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,079
fucking bachelor suite and it's just him lying there, spreading

1143
00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,760
his fucking amazingly expensive pajamas on his bed. It just

1144
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,840
pans out and there's that naked chick up on the

1145
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
back wall, and then he goes and gets on his

1146
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,920
phone and he's got this naked chick up on this

1147
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,559
wall too, like he's just living.

1148
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: Like a fucking like what a guy like.

1149
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,039
Speaker 1: Also, if you notice the walls in his place where

1150
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,360
he is is the same paint Tily has many of

1151
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,480
the rooms in the Shining or the overlook as well too,

1152
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,360
So it goes to any of your theory of I

1153
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,000
feel like it's the opposite. I feel like when Jack

1154
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,880
talks to Grady, they don't want him there because risk

1155
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,760
of them working together, which they gave the Doctor Sleep too,

1156
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,960
and two people that have the Shining are kind of interlinked.

1157
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920
That like, to me, that's why I think Jack kills

1158
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,079
him right away because in Doctor Sleep they establish if

1159
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,800
they can kind of feed off each other's gogee and

1160
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,079
you know, push things forward where I feel like that's

1161
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,280
why they need like this guy needs to be dead

1162
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,960
right away, because Nny's a kid, right, It's different with

1163
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,719
the adults made they could link up, but I feel

1164
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,400
like they don't. I don't know if they want him

1165
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,199
there because you know, when Graddy's like, oh he's he's

1166
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,719
on his way, there's the cook and you know, so.

1167
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,039
Speaker 6: Uh well, and so I did a little like snooping

1168
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:59,960
Google thing with the it welcome to Darius. So apparently

1169
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,360
everyone is just saying that this guy is Dick hallerand

1170
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,280
oh yeah, because he would have been. He would have

1171
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,280
been a young military chef at this point and people

1172
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,239
are just saying like this this guy is that this

1173
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,519
is him, Chris Chalk.

1174
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: Is supposed to be playing him, and welcome to Darry so.

1175
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,679
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, what a name. Well we'll be we'll be

1176
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,079
reviewing that, so that'll be interesting to see. If I don't,

1177
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,519
I don't think any of the other people are popping up,

1178
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:25,280
but that'd be. That'd be fun to get him in there,

1179
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,639
if you if they get the rights to do that,

1180
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,280
because Shining is a Warner Brothers movie, and if people

1181
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,039
they probably I think we might have talked about this

1182
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:34,159
the my favorite movie logo of all time. That's why

1183
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:36,079
I had Taylor make the GV Studios look like that

1184
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,880
old school Warner Brothers logo of the Red, the Black

1185
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,280
and like the W and the B man. That thing

1186
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,239
is they should never change. Well, obviously they're gonna get

1187
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,159
bought one day, so warmer isn't gonna be a thing.

1188
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,000
But I love that logo so much. That's why when

1189
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,639
I told Taylor, hey, make it look something like this

1190
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,360
because I love that thing so much. But yeah, w

1191
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,039
B does own the Shining, so maybe they still have

1192
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,679
some rights to use that character, so that'll be fun.

1193
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, all in although I think he's Yeah, he's just

1194
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,480
such a he's such an interesting character and I wish

1195
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,679
we got a little bit more of in this movie.

1196
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,320
But uh yeah, no, I I it is fucking brutal.

1197
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:13,400
Just again, I already said it. But when he's walking

1198
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,840
and it's so quiet, he can't hear anything, and he's

1199
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:23,280
just like hello anybody, Yeah, and Jack just just fucking

1200
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,599
he does like a close up of his Jack's face

1201
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,039
and he just like does this, like sucks his lower

1202
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:33,559
lipping like inhales, and he's doing his fucking acts and just's.

1203
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 7: There's nothing, there's no communication between the two of them.

1204
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,599
Speaker 6: It's just like Danny screams and then it's just boom

1205
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:43,079
outside like backed out shot of just Dick just on

1206
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,719
the ground dead. He's fucking done and you don't even

1207
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,519
have time to process it.

1208
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: It's just such a crazy.

1209
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 6: Fucking scene, my goodness. But again it just goes to

1210
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,119
show their connection.

1211
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:55,039
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's kind of funny that they don't

1212
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:56,760
really I'm not. I can't remember the boo because I

1213
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,960
read the book when I was in middle school, like

1214
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,719
sometime a little bit after I had read this because

1215
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,800
I want to see it, and like I said, I

1216
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,519
still enjoy the book. It has lots of the same isthms.

1217
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,320
But so in the movie though, him and Hallway don't

1218
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,679
really interact that much, Like at the overlook before I

1219
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,480
think goes to crap, it's more him with Danny and

1220
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:15,880
Wendy and he's off doing stuff with the other two guys.

1221
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,000
So it's kind of like they might have not even

1222
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:19,599
said one word to each other. And that's all you

1223
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:21,800
that's the next time you see this guy. He just

1224
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,599
has an act six inches into your chest and just

1225
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440
I think, for me, what is so gnarly? Not even

1226
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,400
just a score. But for me, it's not that he

1227
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,000
hits him, that he hits him, and it's just like

1228
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:33,639
that way he's like wrenching, he's trying to like push

1229
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,679
it forward. There's something that's just so off about that

1230
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,960
in a good way. And that's why I love Like

1231
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,039
the acts is just like we've seen so many movie

1232
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:41,760
weapons now, but they make it seem like it is

1233
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,559
fucking Thor's hammer in this thing. And I love the

1234
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,400
shots of when he's bringing that door and it's like

1235
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,039
the following of it and it's tracking on that. Kubrick

1236
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,280
shot that himself. He did something where he got a

1237
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,840
tripod and he wanted to go like this, but he

1238
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,920
was while he was tracking it. He was also looking

1239
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,280
at the screen to make sure he's doing it. But

1240
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,360
he said he wanted to shoot himself. But I just

1241
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,320
love that We're about to see poor Scatman brothers. Just

1242
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:06,880
he's just that's a good fit. I love that jacket

1243
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,639
though he looked Betty's warm and then yeah it's got Yeah,

1244
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,440
he's just And I mean that is a that is

1245
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,000
the son of like those eyes Jack Nicholson has. That

1246
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:24,440
is a crazy person. That man, Yeah, that man is

1247
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,599
not all there. And I just I love it, man,

1248
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,760
I I love I just it's so good. That last

1249
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,440
back half and the whole when it starts off with

1250
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,480
the speech that that is probably my favorite part of

1251
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,400
the movie. That deals someone and that takes it up

1252
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,199
the stairs. I just like the whole down world spile

1253
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,039
of Jack is but just that whole speech and walking

1254
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,199
up and I'm not gonna hurt you, and you know,

1255
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,159
Light of my Life I always call Emily. Then she

1256
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:50,559
gives me the eyes because she's know what it's from.

1257
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,519
But I just like, darling, light of my Life, I'm

1258
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:56,039
not gonna hurt you. I'm just gonna bash your fucking brain.

1259
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,360
And then she hits him in the hand. He's like, oh,

1260
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,639
like he I love that he looks like upset that

1261
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,519
she hit like he can't believe that she hit him,

1262
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,000
which I think is kind of going into like the

1263
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:08,960
time period of like a woman should you know the

1264
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,320
way he is like give me the bat, like you

1265
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,199
shouldn't go against the man at all. Right, So when

1266
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,360
he gets in the hand, he's like so shocked and

1267
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,920
that thing like he gets beat by her. He gets

1268
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,920
ousted by a fucking ten year old kid in the

1269
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,679
maze like he That's what I do like about the

1270
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,360
Jack character. He's not like some savant genius. He's just

1271
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,199
like a mad man. And again he would have lost

1272
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,360
Wendy beat him and blocked him up if it wasn't

1273
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,880
for any of the ghosts or if it was Danny.

1274
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,360
He's just stuck in there. But that shot too of

1275
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,079
the you know I have Taylor doing something similar. Second

1276
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,239
movie that shot Man is just when he's doing that

1277
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,480
whole speech of like oh I got a he starts

1278
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,440
with the gas sighting like oh I think I hurt

1279
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,800
my head and I just feel really bad, but now

1280
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,559
let's talk, and then he just like something's coming for you.

1281
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,360
Just the all the variations he goes through in a

1282
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,440
minute of emotions.

1283
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: Is Man so good When he's in the dry storage

1284
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,119
and he uh this point like he wakes up, but

1285
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,239
he's like Wendy and it sounds like kind of like

1286
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,039
he had like a moment worry, is kind of like

1287
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:07,119
relieved from being possessed there. But when he's talking to

1288
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:12,159
the ghost or the spirit and Grady, Yeah, and Grady,

1289
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:14,079
it's just like, oh, I don't think you can do it,

1290
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:15,960
and then he can do it. And then just there's that

1291
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:19,320
brief moment where Grady's like I and others, you know,

1292
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,119
like we don't you know, we don't.

1293
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: Really believe in you.

1294
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 6: You don't have the heart for It's like fuck I

1295
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,559
and others, And it's just kind of instills that like

1296
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,679
all these again, depending what you believe with this movie,

1297
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,760
if it's Danny or whatever, all these different demonic presences

1298
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,599
that are inside this hotel that just want him to

1299
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,119
murder his wife.

1300
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 1: It's just it's beary, yeah, which I don't think they

1301
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,000
do that. I think in the movie it is to

1302
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,519
show that Jack Torrens is weak you talk about in

1303
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,199
your opening. In the book, it is more to show

1304
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,679
like there's still a good person in Jack Torrens, because yeah,

1305
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,199
he does not in the movie Jack or so in

1306
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,159
the book, Jack just does like a sacrifice. He like

1307
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,719
burns the hotel down and lets him get away because

1308
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,519
he knows he's kind of screwed. He can't get out,

1309
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,840
even the point where like Danny graduates and he sees

1310
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,519
like the ghost of his dad, like like happy clapping

1311
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,320
forms of which I do get it. It is his

1312
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,239
force end again like forced Jack Torrance, but which I

1313
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,239
do understand. But again I don't mind the the mom

1314
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,960
being that beacon and then him just being Yeah, in

1315
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,519
this version, he's not a he's I couldn't see this

1316
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:23,199
Jack Nicholson doing that sacrificial play and you run and

1317
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,199
I'm gonna take down the hospital. So that's why I like,

1318
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,719
it's more of just him being weak and he's it

1319
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,719
feels like he's trying to earn the respect of these ghosts,

1320
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,760
which obviously plays into because that's on the book, the

1321
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,360
whole portrait at the end, right with the nineteen twenty one,

1322
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,519
and there's always that debate of like, Okay, is it

1323
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,840
just because he died and he got sucked in that

1324
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,800
image just kind of like the house takes another one,

1325
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,800
or is this a renated version of a guy, because

1326
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,719
Grety does like, you're the caretaker. You've always been the caretaker, right,

1327
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,800
and is like, and that's like that version better where

1328
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,360
it's almost like from day one the most Jack Torrance

1329
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,760
was born, he because he was always gonna end up

1330
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,880
back here, and he's just kind of like like the shining.

1331
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:02,480
The house is kind of in him, the same way

1332
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,000
Danny's like a ten year old and has to shining.

1333
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,960
But he's not a monster. So I like the idea

1334
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,280
more of that he there is like a reincarnation sort

1335
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,000
of sense, because you know, if if you believe in

1336
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
the heaven, then I assume you got I kind of

1337
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,400
believe in a hell. So I feel like that's the

1338
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,360
way I kind of look at it. As you know,

1339
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,360
the the Shining has one of their own out there

1340
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,119
and the second he took that job interview, it was

1341
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,719
he was over for him. His fate was, his fate

1342
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,920
was locked. But I that photo, man, I absolutely love

1343
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,159
I still get I get chills right now thinking about

1344
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:30,960
because I think it's such a great way where it ends.

1345
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:34,039
They drive off and it's just a it comes down

1346
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:36,320
and you just see him there. You're like, oh my god,

1347
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:37,960
I remember the kid that was like I think that

1348
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,800
was the thing that stuck with me of like mind blowing,

1349
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,360
like what's he doing in that painting?

1350
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:42,599
Speaker 5: You know?

1351
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: And I still want to gotta get Tarr photoshop one

1352
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,960
of me in there. But I see Tayr what you're reading.

1353
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: Up for the easy photoshop? Yeah photo Kirklan, what's your

1354
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,400
uh interpretation of the photo of that photo?

1355
00:57:58,159 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 5: I took it.

1356
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: I've kind of always taken it the same way and

1357
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,119
maybe I'm wrong in this, but just since he died,

1358
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,039
like on the residence, he's just like a part of

1359
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:13,480
the overlook now, like just like how the do they

1360
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,760
have a name for like the previous Jack like went

1361
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,199
crazy and killed like the twins.

1362
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the waiter in the bathroom.

1363
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:25,039
Speaker 2: He's bald and killed just like Oh, I imagine Crady

1364
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,119
wasn't always a part of that, Like it's just like

1365
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,480
a cycle thing. But I don't know, maybe not, because

1366
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,480
maybe that list would have to just keep getting bigger

1367
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:32,920
and bigger.

1368
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 5: But Jack, and.

1369
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: For your theory, they kind of do that with in

1370
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,280
Doctor Sleep because Jack becomes the bartender in Doctor Sleep,

1371
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,119
so do your theory and other people that have that theory.

1372
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,119
And it's kind of like, Okay, he's sucked into the

1373
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:48,880
house now, I think just for me, because he's in

1374
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
the middle of the photo. It's like there's something a

1375
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,000
little bit more up there because he's so centered. But

1376
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,159
major's anybody that dies last. It's just the middle of

1377
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:57,039
that photo, right, But yeah, and Doctor Sleep, he is

1378
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,760
the bartender, and it's some really great scenes.

1379
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure. What were we talking about before that painting?

1380
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:07,719
Speaker 4: Painting?

1381
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh the uh, basically the moral obligation that Jack keeps

1382
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,039
like bringing up and like he's at this point he's

1383
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,800
just crazy, but like he always throws that into his

1384
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,280
wife's face of like you think we could just leave,

1385
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,039
Like I made a moral obligation to like look over

1386
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,639
this hotel, which is hilarious because as Dylan, you brought

1387
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:30,000
up like he's doing fuck all, it's all Wendy doing

1388
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,199
all of the uh the maintenance, upkeep and and not

1389
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,000
letting Winter take over, like the elements takeover, like like

1390
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:38,159
Buddy said at the beginning.

1391
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,119
Speaker 5: Of the film.

1392
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, like when and I agree, it's probably it's

1393
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,400
probably my favorite scene when when he's just like approaching

1394
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,920
her on the stairs and she's she's freaking out. She

1395
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,320
just discovered that this whole time, he's just been writing

1396
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,519
the same fucking phrase over and over and over again.

1397
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,000
It's just like a colliding of so many things. But

1398
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,559
he like brings that up again. It's just like, I

1399
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,760
have a moral obligation to my employe. You think I

1400
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:01,920
could like it.

1401
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 9: What happened to me if I leave this job and

1402
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,039
then and then it all like it's kind of similar

1403
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,679
to when what Grady's talking, uh talking to him about

1404
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,559
right when he's trapped in the dry storage of like,

1405
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:13,840
you know, it's disappointing that.

1406
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,559
Speaker 2: Like we thought you were yeah, basically just like an employee,

1407
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,719
and it's unfortunate that you're not gonna be able to

1408
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,639
live to that standard. And I feel like that that

1409
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,199
was a big mindset thing, especially just back then, like

1410
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,920
like we're talking about the image, Oh you get you

1411
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,199
get a lady pregnant and you kind of okay, well

1412
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:32,880
now you have to marry them. That's gonna be your

1413
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:35,440
your family for life now. And very much so with

1414
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,880
like working, Like there's so many people that just like, Okay,

1415
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,519
I'm a milkman for life now, like that's just my job,

1416
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:43,480
that's that's who I am, or a postal man.

1417
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:46,719
Speaker 1: So it's just especially because she's not I would assume

1418
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:48,760
they don't mention in the movie and I don't know,

1419
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,039
but but it doesn't look like she's working. So it's

1420
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,719
that classic element of the woman stays at home and

1421
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:56,519
the man has to provide, right, So that's the idea

1422
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,440
of well, that's why Nick I'm doing all this, which

1423
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,119
again like about he's not doing the bounces, he's writing

1424
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:05,599
the same words over, he's going into fucking rooms, making

1425
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:08,159
out with dead chicks. He's bouncing a ball off the wall,

1426
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,840
which was Jack Nicholson's idea, because the script is said

1427
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,320
Jack does nothing. He's like, I'm just not going to

1428
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:15,079
walk around. I gotta do something, and then he just

1429
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,760
had this idea to bounce the ball off all these

1430
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,920
walls and whatnot.

1431
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 4: The most aggressive way possible, like the loudest noise. Yeah,

1432
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,639
I thought she was. Wasn't she like homeschooling Danny? Was

1433
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:30,559
that a lie? True?

1434
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:31,719
Speaker 1: I think she might have been.

1435
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think she did. Would you guys

1436
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,039
take this job?

1437
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1438
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:46,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, less than you guys are the guys are

1439
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:46,760
the kids? Yes?

1440
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,719
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

1441
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,639
I'm not to talk to my family about that.

1442
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:02,039
Speaker 4: What about the employer tell us in detail about the murder? Like,

1443
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,400
would you take because to me, that was like kind

1444
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,000
of over the top and like, I don't know, if

1445
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:07,679
you're trying to get a guy to like take this job,

1446
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,559
I don't know if you would willingly share that information

1447
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:12,480
if they ask about it. Maybe you could comment on it,

1448
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:14,519
but like, I know, that seemed like you wouldn't do

1449
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:16,760
so much detail about this story. Obviously it's because it's

1450
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,079
also exposition. But yeah, I thought that was kind of

1451
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:22,519
funny how much detail he goes into there. But I

1452
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,239
would take the job, I think maybe regardless if even

1453
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,159
after he shared that information, I just think that would

1454
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,400
be a fun I don't know if i'd want to

1455
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,639
do it every year for the rest of my life,

1456
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,360
of course, but like for one year, that could be

1457
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,920
a fun winter job to.

1458
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,599
Speaker 1: Have five months locked away. Just no, H'm bugging you.

1459
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,639
You got all this food, you got this like the

1460
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:42,039
the Yeah, I don't get wrong. I think it would,

1461
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:44,760
regardless of ghosts or not, be scary it sometimes because

1462
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,199
it's such a massive the murder stuff. Yeah, i'd have

1463
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:49,920
to I have to think a little bit, but I love.

1464
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 4: I think it'd be freaky if you just have some

1465
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,760
accent or something, you might just oh, yeah, you're done,

1466
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:56,400
You're done for you.

1467
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that is. That is the other thing.

1468
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,800
So that's why too, And I guess it's I guess

1469
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,000
it's making me. But you could argue it's even just

1470
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,719
going up there with Danny is kind of questionable, right,

1471
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,920
Like not only just a kid, but the way Danny is,

1472
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,440
it's like he's not he's got a lot of other needs. Yeah,

1473
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,400
so it's like same thing maybe. But again I don't

1474
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,239
blame that on Wendy because I'm sure Jack would have

1475
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,599
strong armed or not literally but in a way to

1476
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:23,480
get them up there. But yeah, that it may maybe literally,

1477
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,400
but that idea of just being away five months all

1478
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,400
that snow everything. You know, that'd be great until you

1479
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,360
get a room two thirty seven and then your vacation's over.

1480
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,960
You know, it's it's not going good for you.

1481
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 6: So, uh, Travis, I got a question for you. So

1482
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,000
I could be completely wrong with this. The reason I

1483
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,000
put that photo into.

1484
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: Uh mind, you of Emily Travis.

1485
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, the pohyah, that's the photo here.

1486
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 6: Uh So for the past little bit between the period

1487
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,960
of the Halloween pull retro, starting for when the patrons

1488
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,559
had to pick which movie We're gonna do, I feel

1489
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:09,119
like you started dropping that photo more often the discord.

1490
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:13,840
Were you trying to like subliminally get her patrons to

1491
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,840
vote for the movie?

1492
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: I like doing that for anyone joins Patreon because it's

1493
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,519
just like I used to use the Charlton Heston Welcome

1494
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:21,800
to the Mad House. But I like the Shining one

1495
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,559
because it's just like a fun like, oh oh, you're

1496
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,639
a part of the team, but it's also okay team

1497
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,840
Yeah maybe maybe maybe maybe it was, but no, I

1498
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,400
I just love that photo h in general there, which

1499
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,079
Kubrick said at one point he was gonna try to

1500
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,880
recreate and he couldn't, so they just used some photo

1501
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,920
from that time. Then they just airbrushed Nicolson on it.

1502
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,280
You can find the original photo of the original guy

1503
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:49,559
on there. But uh yeah, so anything specifically scenes wise,

1504
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:50,920
I was gonna just shot out there's not much to

1505
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,559
say because it's a great scene. But I remember as

1506
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,239
a kid being rocked by two three seven, just because

1507
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:57,039
I feel like it's definitely an early age of scene.

1508
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:02,199
Some some naked titties. No, I do repeat because that's

1509
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:04,519
not a sexy scene though. It's like because I feel

1510
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:07,400
like that's like I would have to think, but the

1511
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,119
stuff I'm consumer, I think that might be one of

1512
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,679
the earliest times I've seen like adult tree on screen, right,

1513
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:13,760
because you're like, okay, from when I saw it's like,

1514
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,159
well he's married, he's a kid, Like, what's going on here?

1515
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,199
That's not something I knew about in my life, So

1516
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,079
I think with that, and the music is not is

1517
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,159
not like it's creepy obviously, it just came from Danny

1518
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:27,119
got attacked in that room. So no ab repeat. But yeah,

1519
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:29,719
I remember when that reveal happened of just being that

1520
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,679
I was looking like Danny be like, oh my god,

1521
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,559
just and then even when they do for me, what's

1522
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,920
more creepy is the shot from Danny's perspective in the

1523
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,039
middle of it, when they have like the camera is

1524
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:41,840
positioned the way that you would be looking at it

1525
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,880
from the eyes from a kid, and he looks down

1526
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,760
the bathtub and just sees this dead old lady in

1527
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,280
the way she just sits up like stokely, like not moving,

1528
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,800
and then she's moving like cut and you don't see

1529
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,760
what happens that, Oh it's right there. That to me

1530
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,119
is the because I feel like we don't see that,

1531
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,239
we don't see like a POV from a kid in

1532
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280
a movie. So just this little three foot kid looking

1533
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,599
down at this rotting woman in bath till it's like,

1534
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,159
oh my god. And then that's when you know Jack's

1535
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:09,800
completely screwed up because he's like, oh, nothing going on

1536
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,280
in that room. It's completely fine, And You're like, oh no,

1537
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,679
he's he's gone. And I guess at first you're like, well,

1538
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,119
is he lying to her because the protector, but he

1539
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:19,760
seems like he's just kind of all down for it.

1540
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,519
And yeah, before I forget, like Tara said, that is

1541
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,719
the backstory of that lady, that she was just sleeping

1542
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,079
with young guys. And eventually I think she gets stood

1543
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,320
up one night, so she kills herself in that bathtub.

1544
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:33,199
But there is a theory. In the scene where Grady

1545
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,000
spills the alcohol and a jack, there is one of

1546
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,400
the table, so I do not know till today. There's

1547
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,599
a young man sitting with a very older woman and

1548
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:43,239
people think that's her in that scene, and she's like

1549
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,559
The reason they say is because when Jack walks by her,

1550
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:47,440
she gives him like a very icy cold stare. It's

1551
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,599
non focus, it's like very much off to the side.

1552
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,960
But it's like, oh god, damn, I love that where

1553
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,199
it's like not like it's something that now again all

1554
01:06:54,239 --> 01:06:55,920
these years later, it's like, now that's something every time

1555
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,280
I'm watching it. Because I heard that fact and then

1556
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,840
watched the scene, I was like, oh that that's really

1557
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,880
cool that it is just this little little easter egg

1558
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,280
somewhere in there that she's probably sitting in that at

1559
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,519
that table. And then again just another person gets sucked

1560
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:12,800
up by the house. Right, So yeah, two seven.

1561
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, room room two three seven. That's like been a

1562
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:18,199
reoccurring uh. I don't want to say a joke, but

1563
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,800
just a reoccurring meme. I guess in my family, my

1564
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,119
dad will always just send a photo of like the

1565
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,559
key of like two two three seven, like around Halloween time.

1566
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:31,960
So yeah, and very much. Probably the scene that just

1567
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,440
stood out the most when I watched that first time

1568
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,360
as a kid, especially like it when it when it

1569
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,599
cuts like the Rotten Lady, which she's like hugging Jack

1570
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:42,280
Nicholson and like they just they just macked and yeah.

1571
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 5: Just that laugh.

1572
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: It's a very uh, very anti ab ab repeat, I

1573
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,400
would say.

1574
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,119
Speaker 6: So after that, he just shows up with Wendy. He's like,

1575
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,719
everything's fine. It's just he's it looks so composed and

1576
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,719
just so chill, like he didn't just make out with

1577
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,440
this dust Steve fucking ghost wench things.

1578
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:09,039
Speaker 4: What a sentence. Uh have you guys ever been in

1579
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:09,960
a hedge maze before?

1580
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:15,079
Speaker 1: M No, yeah, once, but a small one.

1581
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,279
Speaker 4: Taylor, you said, yes, yeah? Where Where where was that at?

1582
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,119
Speaker 3: I can't remember, but I remember being in it.

1583
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,239
Speaker 4: WHOA, that's freaky. You don't remember where it was?

1584
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 3: There's snow, my dad was chasing me.

1585
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 7: I don't remember where it was, but I do remember

1586
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:32,720
being in one.

1587
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,359
Speaker 3: It was pretty pretty intricate.

1588
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 4: Huh, Travis, do you know where you're the one you

1589
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,800
did was No, I don't freak should I feel like

1590
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,920
that's something you should know.

1591
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: Is there not one somewhere in Vancouver, like a small

1592
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,079
one or something. I think that would have.

1593
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 3: Been like Stanley Park in Vancouver.

1594
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. They maybe had one or somebody. Yeah,

1595
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,600
I think mine was like a very small one opposed

1596
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,119
to this where the crew did have to carry walkie

1597
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:57,680
talkies because they would legitimately get lost in there. So

1598
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,119
they they there's many people that uh spent some time

1599
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:03,960
in there, so but no, not not anything to that

1600
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:04,880
degree though, So.

1601
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 4: Which, Yeah, apparently that's like an addition for the movie.

1602
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,920
He wasn't not in the book. No, but he wanted that,

1603
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,840
which I think is probably another good like allegory for

1604
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,800
going insane and yeah, losing yourself and that kind of stuff.

1605
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:17,399
Does that makes sense?

1606
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,079
Speaker 1: It's that shot when he's looking down the fake maze

1607
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:21,680
and they have the the them in there.

1608
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 5: I really like, Yeah, that was cool.

1609
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 4: I like that. I I uh, one thing I really liked.

1610
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,680
I mean, the cinematography is really great overall, but I

1611
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,800
really liked some of the really harsh cuts that happened,

1612
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,000
like the even early on in the movie when Danny

1613
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,920
is talking with the with the chef, and he's like

1614
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,640
explaining this whole you know, the whole concept, the exposition

1615
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,600
of the the shine, how all that works. But the

1616
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,680
way that like that's a very long scene, you know

1617
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,840
if you factor in like him doing the full tour

1618
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,000
and everything, and then like the way it ends is

1619
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,199
just like a super harsh cut, which yeah, is like

1620
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,640
I don't know, I feel like a lot of these

1621
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,600
scenes are really slow plotting and building up to things

1622
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,680
and then it won't even end with like some big moment,

1623
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,560
but it's just like a really harsh cut at the

1624
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,720
time that have but two is like at one point

1625
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,720
they you know, we do like a one month later jump,

1626
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,520
and then the next time jump we get is just

1627
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,279
like Tuesday, but it's like we don't know what day

1628
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:09,439
of the week it is, So it's like such a

1629
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,199
jarring thing of like, okay, we're dumping to Tuesday, be

1630
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,399
like I don't know, was it Monday? Was it Friday?

1631
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:15,640
Like how many days just passed? And then obviously at

1632
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,680
some point it jumps like Wednesday or something, so it's like, Okay,

1633
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,880
we've skipped one day since Tuesday. But I think, to me,

1634
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,239
that seems like very intentional of just like really throwing

1635
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,560
you off, and like the time of like how long

1636
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,199
this has been? How long it hasn't it been? That

1637
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:28,680
kind of stuff. So I thought that was like a

1638
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,800
nice moment as well. But yeah, I think in general,

1639
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,199
just a lot of the harsh cuts, the way the scent,

1640
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,760
the scenes end, the transitions, I thought we were pretty good.

1641
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even that, it's funny when you get to

1642
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:41,920
like the day of the events, then starts moving to

1643
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,520
like time increments instead of the days, so just kind

1644
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,199
of all over the place, like four pm. It's like, oh, okay, cool, but.

1645
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, I'm gonna show out that

1646
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,199
scene where Jack is just he's in the the ballroom,

1647
01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:01,479
everyone's having a good time partying and gets his drink

1648
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,800
and then the caretaker, Grady, goes spills the tray on

1649
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,359
him and then takes him to the bathroom and it

1650
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,560
just starts off like just it's very light. You know,

1651
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,079
he's just hallucinating, you think whatever, and then it just

1652
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:15,359
starts to go down this dark. It becomes much more quiet.

1653
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:17,319
You can't really hear what's going out in the ballroom anymore.

1654
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,039
It's just the two of them in this room and

1655
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:22,960
it becomes very very dark with gratty, like what are

1656
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,039
you going to do about it?

1657
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:26,319
Speaker 3: You know out there's outside.

1658
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 6: Help coming, and it's like fuck this just it just yeah,

1659
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,079
you have an aesthetic and an environmental atmosphere that's just

1660
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,199
very you know, it's back to being like social and

1661
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:38,239
you feel like there's people around. Even though it's all fake,

1662
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,319
it still gives you as a viewer a bit more

1663
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:42,439
peace of mind in this context, and then it just

1664
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,800
takes that away. So I think it's in This movie

1665
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,920
is full of those moments where it creates something and

1666
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,239
then it's good at just restricting that or removing it,

1667
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:52,920
and then it just makes you feel like, so.

1668
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, great scene for the guy that's just in one

1669
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,239
scene other than like, yeah, hear his voice later on,

1670
01:11:58,319 --> 01:11:59,800
but good moment.

1671
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:09,239
Speaker 2: Jack's uh, his bartender Lloyd. Is that just a character

1672
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:11,520
that he knew in his life because he said that

1673
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,880
was like this, you know, it was always his favorite bartender.

1674
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,199
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And that's why that's where I

1675
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,760
go in the theory of he's been there before. So I

1676
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,760
guess you could say that maybe it's someone from his mind,

1677
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,319
but I feel like it's like he already knows these plays,

1678
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:28,720
especially when I can't remember the full context. But Jack

1679
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,279
and is the first conversation Jack and when he have

1680
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,680
when he wakes up, he's like, oh, she's I think

1681
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,560
she's talking about it's kind of weird or lonely. I

1682
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,720
nobody's like, Oh, I love it here. It feels like

1683
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,279
I've been here my whole life, you know. So I

1684
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,279
think that's for me. That goes into my side of

1685
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,960
the theory where I think he has been here before,

1686
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,319
and it is he just knows this guy off by name,

1687
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:50,000
which he doesn't have any money to start off with.

1688
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:51,960
They give him a drink, but the more crazy he gets,

1689
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,960
the next time he goes to the bar, his walls

1690
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,359
loaded with cash. So it's almost like they're rewarding him

1691
01:12:56,399 --> 01:12:59,560
for going deeper into the madness of like, Okay, now

1692
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,239
you've done this and this, and then here's your money

1693
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:03,520
and again very much loving Doctor Sleep. He becomes the

1694
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,159
bartender with his alcohol problem and everything.

1695
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 6: So do you think that in retrospect because of the

1696
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,399
Doctor Sleep, it's a great point with Jack being the bartender.

1697
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,560
Do you think Lloyd could be Jack's abusive father spirit?

1698
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: There there's a chance you could have that there, that

1699
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:19,479
could work.

1700
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:23,520
Speaker 5: No comment.

1701
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:29,039
Speaker 4: Okay, I gonna watch Doctor Sleep again. It's been a minute.

1702
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else.

1703
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: Before we didn't really talk about Danny too much. I

1704
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,600
I do think in an era of like this, this

1705
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,600
would have been lesser child actors. Like he really was fantastic.

1706
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 3: Only did two.

1707
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,399
Speaker 1: Things this in a TV movie and then he quit

1708
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:47,640
acting because he said it was boring. I love that

1709
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,720
he is a Doctor Sleep. He has a cameo was

1710
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,720
like a parent on the baseball team. He has like

1711
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:55,439
he makes a joke about some kid being psychic or something.

1712
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,880
But yeah, no, he just did this movie and he

1713
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,840
said to the parents, said yeah, sure, don't got to

1714
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,880
do it more. And then he became like a professor

1715
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:02,600
or something like that.

1716
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 2: So shout out to uh it's crazy. Yeah No, I

1717
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,880
think he's fantastic the whole film. The one scene that

1718
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,880
I don't love in particular, and I think it just

1719
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,079
goes on too long. It kind of fits the purpose,

1720
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:20,399
but it's it's basically I think the mom is sleeping

1721
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,079
and then like Tony comes in, he's just like repeating

1722
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:23,880
red rom.

1723
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: M.

1724
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:29,079
Speaker 2: The scene just feels like it goes on for like

1725
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:31,439
ten minutes of him just repeating this, and he's doing

1726
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,479
it in the tony voice, and it's just.

1727
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:37,359
Speaker 1: It gets worse more grading like that the end. Yeah, yeah,

1728
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,000
it's it said forty three times before it's revealed the

1729
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,079
word murder. So there you go, Kirk, he fellows too

1730
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:46,199
much there, forty three thousand.

1731
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,520
Speaker 5: This poor child, his voice is just shredded on that

1732
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:55,359
back one more time.

1733
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a bit nicer to the kid than

1734
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,359
he he was.

1735
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I put it in the trivia,

1736
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,359
but him and the kid had a really good relationship.

1737
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,680
They told the kid he was in a drama. They

1738
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,960
heavily shot around him, and when they showed him the movie,

1739
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,439
he saw like a very short cut that had none

1740
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,479
of the horror stuff in it. He didn't see the

1741
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,000
full movie till he was eighteen, and then learned later

1742
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,279
on that was a horror movie. And then he said

1743
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:22,840
in his classes that he refused like he'll, I think

1744
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,279
he said jokingly, but disciplined his students that they asked

1745
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:27,520
with a shining because he's like, I have no information

1746
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,520
on it. I don't remember a single thing doing with it.

1747
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,039
But like when he graduated, Cuber called him and sent

1748
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:34,560
him a gift and all this stuff, so he stayed

1749
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,960
in contact with them for a while, so at least that, yeah,

1750
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,720
Cuber made sure the kid was very well protected. Even

1751
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,520
lots of the scenes where the mom is holding him

1752
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,840
for a lot of the stuff, it's just a doll.

1753
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,119
It's not actually a kid. So they're like, we don't

1754
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,159
really want him to subject anytime. Shelley Devall's yelling like,

1755
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:51,199
we don't want him in this scene at all. So

1756
01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:55,119
they they did a good job. Yeah, So, which is funny.

1757
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:57,880
You just think you're in this like I don't know,

1758
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,880
marriage drama against him, and then when you walk that

1759
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,640
must have been what experience to watch the first time,

1760
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,239
like eighteen you've heard about this and you have like

1761
01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:08,720
some memories, but then you're watching like I was in

1762
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,199
this and all this stuff like it's just must have.

1763
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,000
I hope there's an interview out there so someone really

1764
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,479
asks him about that stuff. But he does a couple

1765
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,000
of like cons here and there, so yeah, he does.

1766
01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:20,039
Speaker 4: Uh, he does a really good job to your point,

1767
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:21,920
Kirk Clym in the era where you don't expect that,

1768
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,279
I thought he did really great.

1769
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:32,319
Speaker 1: Anything else or some trivium I think we hit on everything,

1770
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:34,560
but then I would just the next hour just be

1771
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,359
like I love this scene. I love this scene. So

1772
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,479
you know there's nothing.

1773
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:39,079
Speaker 6: Else speaking of scenes, so I gotta go one more.

1774
01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:41,800
I'll play this one just always. It fucking plecues me

1775
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:42,720
up every time.

1776
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: My favorite gift of all time because it.

1777
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 6: Comes out of nowhere in the movie seen as this

1778
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,039
for the audio listeners.

1779
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,199
Speaker 3: To thirty seconds of just a zoom in on Jack's face.

1780
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:54,520
Speaker 1: It's the first time when he's kind of breaking, like

1781
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,880
everything's fine, and then you just get the shot. And

1782
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,960
that's the shot where people think he looks like the

1783
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,039
whatever the fucking animal I said earlier I can't remember,

1784
01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:04,359
but he's very bold like the Menatauri. Yeah, because it's

1785
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:06,920
like the way his eyebrows are in his eyes and

1786
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,760
if you put it over and stuff. But yeah, that's

1787
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,159
a fantastic Saturday.

1788
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,319
Speaker 5: The other one that I love too is when.

1789
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: Danny it's like revealed that he has like bruises on

1790
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,000
his neck and then like when he's just like accusing

1791
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,479
him of doing that to him and like he's been

1792
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:25,680
either just possessed or.

1793
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 3: Going on.

1794
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,159
Speaker 5: It's just like, I don't I don't understand what's happening

1795
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:31,560
right now.

1796
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: He just on the ghost and yeah, because it's just

1797
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,119
like I didn't know kid now, like and that thing

1798
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:39,199
where he is innocent in this moment, but that kind

1799
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:41,760
of works towards it, right because you think maybe there's

1800
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,520
a chance, like if he was told regularly, maybe he

1801
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,079
would activate the situation differently, but because he's already messed up,

1802
01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:50,119
he's like more messed up about it, so he doesn't.

1803
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:53,119
It's almost like the abuse of a kid is so

1804
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:56,319
low on his total pole because he's seen fucking ghosts

1805
01:17:56,399 --> 01:17:59,359
now and stuff, you know, but never shares with anybody,

1806
01:17:59,479 --> 01:17:59,920
keeps him.

1807
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:04,119
Speaker 4: So, yeah, someone for to promote our twenty four hour stream,

1808
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:07,079
someone one of us. I'd say, either Taylor or Travis

1809
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:09,840
should do that face and then that hard cut to Saturday,

1810
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,439
but then put like the date of our twenty four

1811
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:11,920
hour stream.

1812
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: That'd be good.

1813
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little easy little promo there, do that.

1814
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: I gotta get that that sweater too, at the turtle neck.

1815
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,039
Lots of good sweaters in here. I can't I can't wait.

1816
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:22,600
Next year, Me and Emily are doing Jack and Wendy

1817
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,359
for Halloween, and the twins are gonna.

1818
01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:27,359
Speaker 4: Be I love Wendy's outfits in here. Oh yeah, like

1819
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,960
the color palettes, and I mean she just has such

1820
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,800
a striking look and mixed with the outfits, I think

1821
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,239
is such a cool looking character.

1822
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,359
Speaker 1: Which again to clarify, the girls are not twins. They

1823
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,359
do say they're eight and ten. They just look like twins,

1824
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:40,880
but a very common misconception they're not twins. But I'm

1825
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,560
gonna make my twins do that, because you know, why.

1826
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 4: Not not more accurate?

1827
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:52,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, eight ten, let's see. Oh and I guess

1828
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:53,560
the only thing I had to check is at the

1829
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,800
very beginning, the first time when she the speech of

1830
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,520
like when you hear me type in and not typing,

1831
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,760
the moment when she's walking in with a food or

1832
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,359
like a tray of water, and it's like scary music,

1833
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:05,720
but it stops with him ripping the paper, the typewriter.

1834
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:08,840
The editing, like music cues in this are just so

1835
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,840
good with little stuff. I just wanted to shout that.

1836
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,119
I was like, I just always loved that. Then it

1837
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,000
was quiet, and then it seems like Jack's fine, and

1838
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,560
then of course he does not like her talking in

1839
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:19,960
so yeah, trivia, I just said that. Yeah about that

1840
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:21,560
was my first noting about Danny and how it was

1841
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,279
heavily edited. So we talked about that. Let's see, for

1842
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,119
the scene in which Jack breaks down the bathroom door,

1843
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:29,880
the props's apartment built a door that could be easily broken. However,

1844
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,119
Jack Nicholson had been working as a volunteer firefighter Marshall

1845
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:36,159
and tore it up easily, so the prop department were

1846
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:39,920
forced to build a stronger door. They went through like

1847
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,840
dozens of doors on this I might have it somewhere else,

1848
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,199
but oh, sixty doors is how much it went through.

1849
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:53,399
So it's like, yeah, Jack and Shelly express their open

1850
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,079
resentment against the reception of the film, feeling the critics

1851
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:58,479
and audience credit standing Kubrick solely for the film's success

1852
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,359
without considering the efforts of the actors. Screw strength in

1853
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:03,399
sem King's one Materia, which I feel like I get

1854
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,279
right because I think even us nowadays like it's like,

1855
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,600
oh man, Noel and he can do no wrong. It's like,

1856
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,880
I bet with Kubrick he kind of had that kind

1857
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,239
of red. Let's see, Nikky. Both of them have been

1858
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:14,800
on records and it's one of their hardest roles of

1859
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,760
their career. In fact, nas devals performance to be one

1860
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,479
of the most difficult he's ever seen. An actress take

1861
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,000
on Deval said it was the hardest performance, which I

1862
01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:29,000
think I can understand. Uh, let's see. Yeah, Stanley Kubrick

1863
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:32,800
know for his compulsiveness and numerous retakes, got the difficult

1864
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,800
shot of the blood pointing through the elevators and only

1865
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,239
three takes. This would be unremarkable if it weren't the

1866
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:42,199
fact the shot took more times. Let's kick that the

1867
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:44,520
shot took nine days to set up. Every time the

1868
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,760
doors opened, the blood poured out. Huber would say, doesn't

1869
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,079
look like blood. In the end, the shot approximately took

1870
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:51,520
a year to get right. I didn't put this in

1871
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,760
the trivia, but I should have. In the trailers, this

1872
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,640
was all they didn't want the trays to be radar.

1873
01:20:57,079 --> 01:20:59,479
So what Kubrick told the MPa is that it was

1874
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,399
rusted water that was coming through the elevator and not blood.

1875
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:04,039
So that's how that shot gone the trailer.

1876
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:11,159
Speaker 10: So uh, and he was pissed to yeah, yeah, but

1877
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:13,399
I did three more times and then I guess they're like,

1878
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:15,600
we got no more blood, Stanley.

1879
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:16,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

1880
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:18,319
Speaker 1: The scene where Jack is chasing Danny through the Maze

1881
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:21,319
took over a month to shoot shoot. Uh yeah. During

1882
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:24,880
that month, several crew members got lost and uh walkie

1883
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,439
talkies were given for assistance, which again, this always makes

1884
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,119
me feel better. And it's crazy when we talk about

1885
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,319
movies that are really bad, we're like, oh, man, the script,

1886
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,800
but uh, there were so many changes of script during

1887
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,800
the shooting that Jack nicholson't claim me stopped reading them.

1888
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,600
He would only read new pages that were giving to

1889
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,359
him each day. Nicholson said, eventually, when he was presented

1890
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,600
revised scene, he would just throw in the garbage waiting

1891
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,199
for the next revision. So that always makes me feel

1892
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:48,720
good too that you think about this, You think all

1893
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,720
the stuff that's planned out, but like he's getting multiple

1894
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,239
scripts a day and he's like, I'm not gonna read

1895
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:54,239
this until we're closer, and that's what it's like. Okay,

1896
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:55,800
But again, it's so funny we talk about like a

1897
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,279
bad movie when we were like, oh they had script issues,

1898
01:21:58,319 --> 01:21:59,840
no wonder why it was better, even like when we

1899
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,640
talk Avengers Doomsday right where it's like, oh, apparently there's

1900
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,039
no script in their shooting, where again, like the Shining

1901
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:10,039
even iron Man jeffries, that's what Foggy tells them all.

1902
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:17,199
You know, Kubrick struct the shining for the scenes where

1903
01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:21,199
jackets her typing. When the typing is off screen, Stanley recorded,

1904
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:23,399
the sound of a type is actually typing the word.

1905
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:26,039
It's all work and no play makes jacket dull boy.

1906
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,720
Uh So there you go. It's actually that being typed out,

1907
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,359
which again just little stuff where you don't even have

1908
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,279
to do that, but you're like, man, just just great

1909
01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:38,119
stuff going on there. Let's see. Okay, I already mentioned

1910
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:44,239
that about dany Lloyd. Uh. Let's see Stanley Kubrick Ridgey

1911
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:49,279
wanted the actress Slim Pickens. Remember this, we talked about this,

1912
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:51,960
and when did we talk about this? When did he

1913
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,439
come right in Blade?

1914
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:57,359
Speaker 5: Wasn't it wasn't the rapper Slim Pickens.

1915
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,520
Speaker 3: No, that's you know, that Blazing Saddles discussion.

1916
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: But what we were reviewing with Slim Slim Pickins wasn't something. No,

1917
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,079
the other play. That's who is that rapper named Sticky Fingers?

1918
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,680
That's the place. Yeah, but who what we're reviewing. But

1919
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,880
that's why I put in the It just happened.

1920
01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:20,079
Speaker 4: There's a Patreon was it request? Right?

1921
01:23:21,239 --> 01:23:24,119
Speaker 3: Was it tron related? That's the only thing I was.

1922
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, Stanley Kubricker, because we talked about him. Me

1923
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,520
and Doctor Strange Love originally want Slim Pickens to play

1924
01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:35,199
Dick holler In, but Pickens want nothing to do with

1925
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:38,359
cub after experience of Doctor Strange Love. So that could

1926
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:40,159
have been. We could have been talking about Slim Pickens

1927
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:42,600
again here, but uh, you know, Slim Pickens for the

1928
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,680
roles we got. But if you want that retro next year,

1929
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,840
put it in the poll. Uh, let's see. Angelica Houston

1930
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,000
live with Jack Nicklson during the shooting and said that

1931
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,960
Jack Nicholson often return from day shooting, walked straight to

1932
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,960
the bed, collapse in the bed, and would immediately fall asleep.

1933
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:56,760
So I guess he You know, it sounds like it

1934
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:02,479
was a tiring time. Yeah, let's see. We makes Jack

1935
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:07,000
a sleepy boy.

1936
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 4: A lot of scenes if he was sleeping too, so

1937
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,560
he'd be sleeping all day and then he'd come back

1938
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,560
through as an actor.

1939
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm just editing because there's some stuff I

1940
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,640
already talked about here. This film was only supposed to

1941
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,920
take seventeen weeks, but then only took fifty one weeks

1942
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,479
because this ran so along Reds and Raiders of the

1943
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,479
Lost Arc were delayed. They were supposed to be shooting

1944
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,000
on the same studio lot. So imagine, I don't know

1945
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,000
what the Let me quickly look at what the profit

1946
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:32,079
was of the Shining because imagine, I wonder if Warner

1947
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:35,159
Brothers was just fucking losing their mind, because like money

1948
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:37,399
had to just be going up because you're thinking like, oh,

1949
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,239
like seventeen weeks, sure, Stanley and then like fifty one

1950
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:43,680
host full year, so it's tough. Nineteen eighty budget was

1951
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,039
nineteen million, box office of forty eight million. But obviously

1952
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:51,760
with you know what am I thinking of here? Changing

1953
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,880
money times? What is that lation?

1954
01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 4: Many times?

1955
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 3: Thank you inflation?

1956
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure nowadays that's a lot more. But I wonder

1957
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:02,000
one of those ever has been like I wonder, like

1958
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:03,800
what week do you think they started to worry? Like

1959
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,039
he says it's gonna be seventeen weeks, and like, what

1960
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:07,680
do you think was the.

1961
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Speaker 5: Not even at the seventeen yet?

1962
01:25:11,399 --> 01:25:13,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably close to because like all you guys are

1963
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:14,840
rounding up right like no, we're still trying to get

1964
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,960
the elevator thing, because they said the elevator things took

1965
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,880
a year to get and it shot for fifty so

1966
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that means like there's that's a pre production two in

1967
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,439
the post. So it's just like just crazy, let's see,

1968
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,479
I put this to me was a good one. During

1969
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,159
the crooling, the grueling shoot of this movie, the Wimbland

1970
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,399
tennis tournament was a Jack Nicholon is an avid tennis fan,

1971
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,239
so he had to find a way to take time

1972
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:39,279
out to attend. So he pretended to have a back

1973
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,000
three and asked for a few days off because of

1974
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:47,159
his star status. Uh Sandy Kubert grant. Unfortunately for Jack Nicholson.

1975
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,560
Later on the production said they showed him in the crowd.

1976
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,760
Kubert furious about the whole incident. So just.

1977
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:57,239
Speaker 5: The original Cold Play concert.

1978
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Imagine that. And he got Kubrick, you know, work on

1979
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,039
his blood Elevator week forty nine. He looks at the

1980
01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:05,399
TV just SE's, oh, here's Jack Nicholson here at Wimbledon,

1981
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,119
but just so funny, like oh yeah, my back, and

1982
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:11,119
he just looks up and oh man, they are going

1983
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,560
out of their way to fuck me. That's how he

1984
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,000
said a Warner Brother. It's like, I don't know, I'm

1985
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,479
trying to shoot but he went to Wimbledon, and then

1986
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,760
finally there's three other actors considered for the role Jack

1987
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,439
Torrance Stanley Kubrick considered Robert Narrow and Robin Williams. Kubrick

1988
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,640
did not think to Narrow cool? Which would you like better?

1989
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:34,920
Before you get the fact? What you get, I'll give

1990
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,760
you the third one. I'll give you the third ones

1991
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,239
well before we get more. Actually there's more no history

1992
01:26:39,279 --> 01:26:40,760
of this one. But Harrison Ford was the other one

1993
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,600
as well. So those were the three before, so Dilani

1994
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,720
and the wrong Williams Williams. Okay, what about you, Kirkle,

1995
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,800
If you have to recast this, who you going to Narrow,

1996
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:49,840
Ford or Williams?

1997
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I think I would have to go Williams. He just

1998
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,760
seems the most expressive out of all of them.

1999
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,399
Speaker 3: Okay, Taylor, I go Williams.

2000
01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I've seen him in anything that

2001
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,920
wasn't a little bit of comedy or just very what

2002
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:08,319
him and.

2003
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Did the know on retro or did you not on

2004
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,560
that one? Have you never seen one of our photo?

2005
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:16,399
You see one of our photo.

2006
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,319
Speaker 6: I've just seen him in like comedic roles and like

2007
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:21,399
very drama oriented, like serious roles.

2008
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 7: But nothing like like horror, like killer.

2009
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 6: Oh, anything like that. So that would be a whole

2010
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,680
new vibe for me to to see.

2011
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,199
Speaker 1: Watch one on our photo. I think you'll like it.

2012
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:32,199
I don't even say more of it, but he's really

2013
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:35,760
creepy in that. For me, it's Ford. I just think

2014
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,279
he's the closest to Jack. I think the way that

2015
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:41,119
he puts it. Cubrick says that he didn't go to

2016
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:44,119
Narrow because he thought he wouldn't be psychotic enough, and

2017
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,119
then he didn't go with Williams he thought Williams would

2018
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:49,319
be too psychotic, which I could also see where I

2019
01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:51,640
think there's a point where that you could worry that

2020
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,760
could turn not comedic, but you would worry because Ron

2021
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,079
Wins was always known for like improv and I could

2022
01:27:57,119 --> 01:27:59,840
just see that not going right with those two, especially

2023
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,720
with the script and everything. But with Ford, I think

2024
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,000
those docile tones and I think he he comes off

2025
01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:07,279
like Denaro. I don't think definitely could have not done

2026
01:28:07,319 --> 01:28:10,279
it Ford. I think I could have saw that dickish

2027
01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:13,479
dad where like hates his wife, hates his kid. You know,

2028
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:14,920
we're Willians. I don't know if I have that, but

2029
01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:16,399
all would have been obviously.

2030
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:18,359
Speaker 4: Very different, a little bit too cool.

2031
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:21,119
Speaker 1: That could be it. Yeah, it could be too cool.

2032
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 4: Yecause I think it big part of is that Jack

2033
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,880
just feels like a loser throughout this. Yeah, that adds

2034
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:27,800
to it, I think, And I.

2035
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,119
Speaker 1: Think Dannaro has that too, Like Dannaro doesn't give like

2036
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:34,680
loser vibes, you know, he like I think he'd almost yeah,

2037
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,079
a little bit. Yeah. I think with like Denaro, it's

2038
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:40,199
almost like he'd be like a hard dad, like right away,

2039
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,279
like I don't know, I just wonder like in that scene.

2040
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,239
Don't get me wrong, Daniels on the great all the time,

2041
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:45,800
but in the scene where he's accepting the job, like

2042
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,239
I like, how like kind of like like foolish like

2043
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:51,399
Jack Nicholson feels like. I don't know if Dannara would

2044
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:53,840
have that vibe, were Williams would do that vibe? And

2045
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,359
Ford I think he'd played that different. I think he

2046
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,079
played almost like you said, cooler, but his voice I

2047
01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:00,279
feel like I could hear that type of that Hayden

2048
01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:02,680
Square at the scene where he's yelling about the typing,

2049
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,600
I can see Ford doing that like you're distracting me

2050
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:06,079
and stuff.

2051
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm imagining Williams like agent being like, sorry, buddy,

2052
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,199
you didn't get the job because he thought you'd be

2053
01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:16,000
too psychotic, Like just imagine feedback and how would you

2054
01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:16,640
feel about that?

2055
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,239
Speaker 1: Which is funny because they said this and they had

2056
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,600
quick aside that they've been tied together a couple times,

2057
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,960
because that's why too. When this movie came out, and

2058
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,840
then obviously eight years later they started to cast the

2059
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,880
Batman and when it came out that Jack Nicholson play

2060
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,119
Joke or everyone's like, oh, he's perfect, And I could

2061
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:33,840
definitely argue that he's not even as crazy and Batman

2062
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,439
as he's in this, Like I wish they actually would

2063
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,920
have leaned on that a little bit more. By that time,

2064
01:29:38,039 --> 01:29:39,920
Jack Nicholson was offered the role of the Joker. He

2065
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,000
turned it down because of the money, and they went

2066
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:44,560
to Rob Williams to play the Joker. But what came

2067
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,279
out and warned by Rob Williams found out through some

2068
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:49,920
people that that was a fake offer. They offered him

2069
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,800
the role Joker just to make Jack jump and then

2070
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:55,399
Ron Williams back to Insomnia. I did not work with

2071
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,119
Warner Brothers till two thousand and two, and saw me

2072
01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:59,520
because he said he'd never work with them ever again.

2073
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,680
After he kind of they used him as like a scapegoat, like, oh,

2074
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,079
we're gonna go with Robin then, and then Jack Buckle like, Okay,

2075
01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:07,720
I'll do it. And that's why in Batman Forever, Rob

2076
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,720
Williams was the first choice of the Riddler and he said, no,

2077
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,000
I'm not gonna do it because you guys fucked me over.

2078
01:30:12,039 --> 01:30:13,439
Then they went to Jim Carrey. So it's kind of

2079
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,560
funny that they had like tied with a couple other

2080
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,000
Warner Brothers projects. And yeah, for Robbie almost didn't work

2081
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,880
for the company for two decades because he just hated

2082
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,720
what they did to him on Batman, just because he

2083
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,359
thought it was a serious offer, and I guess it

2084
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:27,199
never was. It was just a coax Jack out of there.

2085
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:29,159
And Jack apparently made a lot of money off The

2086
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,800
Batman because he got back end points and back then

2087
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,479
that was a big deal. And he's like, I think

2088
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,880
he I can't remember. I think it's like some people said,

2089
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,560
it's near like the billion like he's made a lot

2090
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,159
of money off of that movie back in the day.

2091
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:45,680
So but done ranting, I have nothing more to say.

2092
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,600
Speak a most many times. It's one hundred out of

2093
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,479
ten for me, I can't give this any more higher score.

2094
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 4: So, mister Muss, this's probably the highest rating anyone's ever

2095
01:30:55,439 --> 01:31:00,920
given anything first history. That's crazy down, I'll go eight.

2096
01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:03,680
I'll go eight. I feel like, I mean, you guys

2097
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,439
brought up a lot of great points, and obviously you've

2098
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,279
all seen this movie a lot more than me and

2099
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:11,079
have a lot more little details interpretations that are really

2100
01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:12,960
interested to here. So I loved hearing all that stuff,

2101
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,600
so definitely brought up mind driven overall. Yeah, probably when

2102
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,680
I've seen it five or six times, maybe I'll be

2103
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,920
matching that level of love for it too. But there

2104
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,880
is a lot of great stuff here, some things I

2105
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,039
didn't love, but overall still really solid. So yeah, big

2106
01:31:26,079 --> 01:31:28,199
old juicy eight out of.

2107
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: Him juicy eight, mister Patzer.

2108
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,159
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm gonna heat us right back up to

2109
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,760
uh just an even ten out of ten for this one.

2110
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:43,119
Not white up to the Mount Olympus level that Travis

2111
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,680
is at, but uh no, I think it's fantastic. I

2112
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,800
think this also like subconsciously just planted some seeds of

2113
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,119
like my love for the slow burn of horror films,

2114
01:31:53,159 --> 01:31:54,640
because like when I'm watching this, I'm like, this is

2115
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,439
my favorite type of just just horror and enjoyment of

2116
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,359
just there's no know, real jump scares. Like there's some

2117
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,560
quick cuts, but like it's not like it's just they're

2118
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,720
leaning on that and it's just the slow burn of

2119
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,159
just getting crazy. It's just there's something to that that

2120
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,560
I'll always appreciate it. And I think a lot of

2121
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,439
it goes back to this original one that I've seen.

2122
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,279
Speaker 1: So I can't wait a week and make like a

2123
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:20,600
two and a half hour slow burner. You know, we

2124
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,880
tried our best second one, but that's not a that's

2125
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:23,720
not two and a half.

2126
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:24,079
Speaker 10: Hour, So.

2127
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 5: A lot of long monologue and I'm sure to get.

2128
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: To those there is.

2129
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna join you up there, Travis.

2130
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 6: I'll give it one hundred out of ten and sit

2131
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,880
up there with you on that couch because crazy. It's

2132
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,239
just it's a good movie. It's a really really good movie.

2133
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,439
I like, I said, watch it every year. I already

2134
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,039
want to watch it again this year. I want to

2135
01:32:45,079 --> 01:32:46,840
watch Doctor Sleep. I want to just get into it.

2136
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,520
It's just it's got so many things that are really

2137
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,439
really great. I'm not gonna make my kid watch it

2138
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,960
when I watched it as young as I was watching it,

2139
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,079
you know, and they're a little bit older and can

2140
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:58,239
just kind of.

2141
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:02,159
Speaker 4: Easy into it. It's like Danny was Danny.

2142
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can show show Danny version.

2143
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: Find that online. Find where there's a Danny version, Show

2144
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,920
that good movie, right, Like have that even end for him?

2145
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,479
You know, like I just I would love to see

2146
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:13,840
that kind of like what was the ending of that

2147
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,680
when we just him his dad run? Like this movie

2148
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,760
kind of sucks, Like you can't show Jack with the acts.

2149
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,880
He has the axe the entire time in the may

2150
01:33:22,039 --> 01:33:24,720
so who knows, But there you go, lads. Joan, that

2151
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,000
is your Halloween retrospective for twenty twenty five. Will be

2152
01:33:28,039 --> 01:33:30,840
back next October for some war spooks and scares and

2153
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:32,239
who knows what will be time about then, but I

2154
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:33,920
promise you it'll lot be boring.