Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Halloween retrospective.
And this year we're doing We're doing the Shining lead Jim,
and thank you to the patrons for putting in the
suggestions and the Patreon producers for putting it in there.
And thank you Patreon producers for not picking a movie.
I just watched the last year Halloween retross. We did that.
The franchise we're doing retrospective next year, we did that,
So I thank you for picking some of that. You
know I see all the time, but luckily hadn't watched.
I am the Caretaker tras now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the two thirty seven enjoyer Kirk con pat Sir, Oh,
my name is Dylan Muss.
Speaker 3: I am a dull boy taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, slaves, gentlemen, I think I already said it. But
if you haven't guessed, or maybe you just skipped ahead,
you don't like the intros. We're here to talk about
the Shining. We do this every year in the fall.
Somehow we don't have any in the other year has
been the fall. We do a Halloween movie, a video
game movie, and a Christmas movie, so that would be
the next one. If people are wondering in November, I
start making a poll here or end of October, I'll
make a poll and ask you guys for some submissions.
I feel like for the video game ones, I know
we still got quite a few, but I feel like
eventually we could get to the end of that, you
know where Halloween, Christmas could be around. But yeah, that'll
be the next one. So stay tuned. You can put
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More than a thousand and eight or how does that
work up? More than I don't know. I had the
math in my head. I just thought been something. I'm
just yeah, it's just even a thousand year it's great.
So I guess that. And there's gonna be lots of
things you get on the lock along the way. It's
gonna be a very fun time. Old events, new events,
the same old Shenanigan's at one to two am, so
look out for that. But here we are. I don't
know I want to start with. I think I'm gonna
start with mister Musk, because I feel like I've talked
to Taylor about this movie many times. I know Taylor's like, oh,
I hope that wins the poll, So I think I
know Taylor's thoughts on this. So misters, I'm gonna ask
was this the first thing you've seen? Is? If not,
when did you see it before? And what was your
history with the shining or like I said, is the
first time.
Speaker 4: The first time I watched it was back in the
Dome era, so it would have been seven eight years
ago something like that, because I think Sarah's you know,
was a fan, and so we watched it.
Speaker 1: Really, Okay, is it just a you two or was
there other people around?
Speaker 4: Clinton was probably pounding around in the background. I don't
remember the full scene. B Amber was there, Not exactly sure,
but yeah, yeah, that was the first time I watched it, so,
you know, kind of years later after hearing that it's
one of the greats and all that, and then I
think I was on the Doctor's Sleep review. I'd have
to go back in the annals of time and check
with that YouTube video. No, because I definitely saw it
and remember talking about it for Golden Geek later. Okay, yeah,
so that makes sense. But yeah, and then I think
even just like looking around, like I don't know if
I've seen I think I've seen space to the other
Kubrick things I've seen, there's maybe not.
Speaker 1: Many Omintal Jackets, eyes white Shute that you should up.
It's a Christmas movie, you should boot that up. Doctor
Strange Love, did you like watch that high school in
middle school or anything like that? I didn't clockwork Orange.
I feel like you, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like I've seen that one.
Speaker 1: I can't remember Eyes White Shot. Great Christmas movie, Go
watch it, you know, friends.
Speaker 4: I'll put it on the list. But really, I think
it's mostly just this now, and this is the second
time I've watched it. I don't think I did a
rewatch at any point in time, and I don't I've
been thinking a lot. I guess I watched this a
few days ago thinking about how I want to talk
about this, and honestly, I was kind of disappointed with
the movie this time around, which is like kind of
surprising to me because it is just one of those
movies considered one of the best of all time and
like one of the greatest performances of all time, and
I think there's a lot of great stuff here, to
be sure. I think maybe this time around, I just
felt like pacing wise, I had some issues with it.
And then I think, especially coming into it the second time,
I'm like, Okay, I kind of know the broad strokes,
I forget the details, excited to get into this again,
and I think by the end of it, I was like,
I feel, like so many movies, there's like that perfect
amount of ambiguous ending where there's it's like fun to ruminate.
I'm like, ooh, what does this mean? But I feel
like this movie just like didn't give me enough answers,
and like it's not really that fun to think about it.
I feel like there's kind of one obvious angle to
look at it. And then yeah, I was reading a
bunch of theories online and like, none of these make
any sense to me. So I don't know where these
you know, people are pulling these crazy theories from. Maybe
you guys are some of those people as well and
have some crazy theories. But overall, I think it's a
you know, totally solid movie, well made, Like the cinematography
is really good. I think the music is good, but
it's just like once again pasting things. Sometimes I feel
like these strings are just going off for too long.
I'm like getting sick of it, and not in like
a good tension building way. I think your performances are
are pretty good here, but there's definitely some things I
would cut, Like I feel like this movie could. I
could knock sixteen minutes off this movie, and I think
it would be better in my opinion for me personally.
Of course, everyone else loves it, so you know that's
a not a common opinion. But yeah, I had a
decent time with it, but I think I found myself
a little underwhelmed the second time around, And yeah, like
this didn't really leave me wanting to like put this
on every year and like, oh, I got to revisit
this see how it ages with me. I just I
don't know. I'll probably watch it again in my life,
but not really in a rush to do so.
Speaker 2: Mister pats A, Yeah I got I got some good
juicy history with this film. My dad showed this to
me and my sister when we were probably a little
bit too young, just to just to get that that
shining isms ingrained in my brain.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you see those twins that line
not so much more so, uh.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of the like here's Johnny
and just like the like the like the notable references
to this movie. I already kind of knew some of
them of before I even watched the movie, whether it
was like the Simpsons or Family Guy doing like their
own versions of like it. It just seemed like it
had been just credited in like many things of the
past like leading up to it. So my first time
viewing it, I also probably like was like I probably
didn't sit down for the whole two and a half hours.
Like watching this as a kid, I was probably like
just wanting to move around and I don't know, just
just not just sit there. And because because it.
Speaker 1: Is a slow there's a little burn. Yeah, there's like
the first half an hour. It takes its time. There's
no like jump scares or anything. So I imagine it's
like a young and you're kind of like, all right,
especially if you're like it's a scary movie, look out
and you're like it's just like a marriage drama for
the first half an hour, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was probably just waiting for those moments
to happen, like when he's knocking down the door with
the acts like stuff like that. But like since then,
I've probably seen this movie five or so times, and
I could safely say the more I watch it, the
more I do enjoy it. And yeah, this most recent
viewing it was probably my most enjoyable time watching it,
just because I think going into it, I was just
I see this movie as being like like a ride,
like like a like a like an interesting carnival ride.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not like high extreme Ocdane action. It's just from
start to finish, like going on that that long road
just to the Overlook Hotel. I'm like, all right, this
is like on the roller coaster, was like a slow,
like like ascension into into this this big adventure here,
and it's just such a fun time for me. It's
definitely unsettling at times, and I think, like the music
is just so standouty to me. But the thing that
stands out the most for me in this film, it's
just the actual Overlook Hotel itself. Like it's just the
location and how we go kind of through different seasons
and like like like the time that we're here, it's
they don't quite make it to the end of the
whole season, but it's a couple of months.
Speaker 3: What happened.
Speaker 5: That snow man? That snow is deadly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, just just like everything from the labyrinth outside,
like the like the garden maze too, just like the kitchen,
the dry storage, the like Jack's writing room, Like there's
just so many cool, fascinating areas to this over the
hotel and I've never is it room two thirty seven?
Speaker 5: Is that the name of the documentary?
Speaker 1: The name of the documentary?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I haven't seen that. I definitely do
want to cross that off at some point just because
it's it just seems so fascinating the making of this movie.
But yeah, I'm excited to unpack it with you guys
and talk about it here. Definitely.
Speaker 1: Well, again, there's one of two separate things. There is
a documentary of the making of The Shining, and that's
just like the production of it. But the Room two
thirty seven there does give some insight to the making
of it. I'll say, like a good like solid thirty
maybe forty percent of stretch up. But then a lot
of it is just like theory crafting, and some of
it is like a mind blown of like never even
even today I learned because I rewatched Day and was
looking at trivia, I learned something that I've never known,
and I'm like, oh man, that's so cool that that's
in the movie. But stuff where it's like, well, this
picture above the girls looks like a menotar, and it's
like it's just a guy's skiing, but because he's posed,
he looks like, I guess a menatar, but I'm like,
I don't buy. But then there's this whole theory of
because like like a menotar and there's all this stuff
like what it goes to, and that just leads into
like how it's secretly about the you know, destruction of
the American or Native American lifestyle and all that stuff.
But there's some stuff where it's like I can see it,
and there's other so it's like I feel like we're
we're stretching. One of my other favorite ones. Yeah, one
of my other favorite ones too, is it's this whole
segment why it's about sexuality and stuff, and it's like
the guy I can't remember his name when Jack gets
the job and you know they shake hands. When he
shakes hands, the way he's standing, there's like a paper
folder in front of him and it's angled in the
way where it looks like he has a huge erection.
And they point out multile times in the movie where
these characters like have like phallic symbols going on when
but again it could just be like did he just
stand that way with that? So there's there's some there's
some peel. Even one guy admits he's like I've watched
this movie legitimately too many times, like I have to
stop watching it, but he's like I keep watching it.
So yeah, it is worth a watch if anyone's never
seen it and likes the movie. Definitely watched two three seven.
Some stuff's crazy, some stuff's like, holy shit, and then
there's a lot of in the middle.
Speaker 6: So mister Field, hmmm, yes, So I could not tell
you when the first time was that I saw this movie. Uh,
definitely a good minute ago. But for me, this is, uh,
it's one that it gets better every time I watch it.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's something that like it just I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 6: It's like an acquired kind of just thing that gets
better and better and better.
Speaker 1: And I think this is because now you're relating more
to Jack.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 6: I am, I am right on my typewriter.
Speaker 1: Fucking understand me. Yeah, if you hear me typing, or
you don't hear me typing, stay the fuck daddy. That's
that Sailor.
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson is fucking outstanding in this movie. Holy shit.
But say that for later.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, this movie just it's a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: I ended up buying on DVD because I thought I.
Speaker 6: Just was sick and tired of just trying to watch
on streaming. I just want to own it. It's I
I'll watch it whenever I want to watch it, and
usually I watch it every Halloween now. I think for
the past few years I've just put it on every
single Halloween because it's just such a spooky movie from
the moment that it starts. Yes, it is a slow burn.
I can totally totally accept that. And where it kind
of steers off though with just being a slow burn,
I feel like, okay, well, the slow burn also is
just kind of instilling the sense of remote and the
sense of isolation, even though it's a very large place.
Claustrophobic as well, I would say is one of the
terms there too. Like there's just so many different things
going on.
Speaker 3: I've not read the book.
Speaker 6: I know the book has a lot more expanded stuff
on here, And there's even a scene where because I
was just like looking at some differences between the book
and with this and I kind of want to read
the book. But there's a moment where Jack snaps out
of his possession and he has a full moment with
Danny and he's super just like set with himself to
strop then he like gets the overlooked takes back control
of him and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I would have loved that.
Speaker 3: If that was in the movie, I think that would
have been a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: But because Stephen King, Hey, that's a legend. He fucking
hates He hates this movie so much. Who if you
didn't know, also wrote the book. His biggest thing is Jack.
Because Jack, which we'll probably talk about with many scenes,
he wrote this book when he was just recovering from alcoholism.
So it was kind of like a conduit to that.
And that's why it's like the Overlook as a algory
for alcohol and you know, all that stuff and being
an addict.
Speaker 6: So and that makes the book more like from Jack's perspective, right,
I think the movie is more from Wendy's perspective, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie's just kind of almost like
I agree with kirkla on other than the beginning, if
it's kind of like from the house perspective, Like even
the way the movie opens up when it's this kind
of like ghost just falling in the car, I feel
like because like there's a whole fifteen minutes where just
Scatman Crothers is the main character and he's like on
the highway and he's at the hotel and he's making
calls that I feel like it kind of goes in
pieces of when people take over, So I think it's
kind of a an ensemble going on. But that's the
biggest thing is with which we'll get into. In the book,
Jack is like a kind of like a normal guy
who does suffer from a callism, where I don't I
think he doesn't really appreciate that. Clearly, Jack Torrance in
the movie has some more demons than just out like
I feel like Jack Torrens in the movie, even before
the shining, is probably a bit of an asshole right
where in the book he's he's not. I have read
the book. I go against King on some things, and
I get the point there, but I think it's tough
because I like what they did with obviously Nicholson, but
I do he'd hate to hear it. I do think
the movie's better than the book because I think the
book kind of gets a little meandering at parts, and
in the book's way more supernatural, where there's only technically
one supernatural thing that happens in this and even then
you could write off of how it's not supernatural, where
the book there's like ice sculptures coming alive and chasing you.
So I like this one more where it's a bit
more like I still think the house is haunted and
there's superpowersful that stuff. I like that there's still kind
of like a well, these people could just be crazy
or it's like a cabin fever thing sort of thing, right, So.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, and I think that's that's one of
the biggest things that I think. I was assuming that
this was it was just cabin for you, but he
started to go insane. Now I know that my dad,
like U Kurklon was one of the reasons why I
watched this when I was young, and so my.
Speaker 7: Dad his belief.
Speaker 3: Was that he was just possessed.
Speaker 6: Jack Nicholson was possessed by the Caretaker spirit from before
and again, this movie has so many interpretations. So could
I ever pinpoint what the right way is? No?
Speaker 3: And I really like that.
Speaker 6: I like that there's so many different ways that you
can look at this, so many things that you discover
every time you watch this, and that's true, Like there's
so many things that I feel are new. And I
just really like the setting of being in this hotel
and with the snow coming in and yeah, like you
guys mentioned the maze and.
Speaker 3: Everything going on, and.
Speaker 6: The points where he's just going down this dark hole
and the overlook is just hitting them and hitting them
and trying to belittle further and further and further, and
you can just see he's getting to that point where
it's is gonna be no going back, and then finally
you get to the point where he snaps, and uh,
the ghosts are unlocking fucking doors for this guy now
and he's getting out of the you know, the dry
storage and all this other crazy Taylor or was it Danny.
Speaker 7: You'll have to explain that that's fucking why.
Speaker 1: Well, that's all I got. That's the only because everyone
because everyone well or Tony, Yeah, because that's all I got.
But everyone says because that's the one supernatural thing that
happens in the movie, right where Jack's locked up, and
that's the only thing that technically you see happen and
the door opens. But then lots of people the theory
that it was actually Danny or Tony that opened it
for the dad. But I don't think it's Tony because Tony.
Speaker 3: Is Tony was scared of the place, right.
Speaker 1: Because Tony's him and the Tony's him from the future.
It's it's it's why am I forgetting? Is the kid's
name Jesus Christ? Why Danny? It's because Danny's middle name
is Anthony, So Tony is him as an adult, and
he's speaking to his younger self to like, that's why
I don't I think they might talk about that a
little bit. That might have been in the director's cut,
because the director's cut is three hours. I'm not sure
if you've ever seen that, you should, But in the
books that's where it is. So that's why when he
writes the word red rum, it is like his path
is his future self letting him know, like, hey, this
is what's gonna go down. That's why Anthony aka Tony
is telling him, like, don't go there. Bad stuff's gonna happen.
So it's a weird thing, but yes, it's it's uh
from the chan.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be able to see it being Danny is
the one opening up the door.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either, But people just think like
his Danny's kind of a fucked up kid. Maybe he
just opened the door or whatnot, Like maybe he was
possessed by a ghost because like he does get possessed
in doctor Sleep, right, So and there's also like I
wish I agree with the theory that people I don't
know if they ever outright say it, he might in
doctor Sleep. But Jack does have the shining as well.
So that's why it's led to that theory of wolf.
Jack has the shining and he can get possessed, and
Danny has a signing and he can get possessed, and
that's why the door could open that way. But again
there's nothing to prove that, just just the theory. But
there's something I could open that door.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the things too.
Speaker 6: With all these different spirits and poltergeist exists in the Overlook,
I like kind of their their origin when it comes
to like the Caretaker or you know Room two three seven,
the girl luring in young bell boys and then taking
advantage of them and then killing herself, and then you
have other Uh, there's another guy.
Speaker 3: Who owned it and then he sold it.
Speaker 6: He sold the Overlook and then he acquired it in
the back end of things, and then he was just
he apparently they from what I was reading, he owned
a part.
Speaker 3: Of Las Vegas.
Speaker 6: He was just a rich guy who's doing very seedy,
bad things, and I think he got killed in the.
Speaker 1: Hotel, the parties and businesses and whatnot.
Speaker 3: That's exactly it, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: That's the classic built on inn your Indian barroial ground,
which is never good. You ever hear that in the movie.
It's that's game over, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But like one of my favorite parts in this is
the chef Decalor and that character. I just I always
get pumped up when he's coming back and it's just
such a fucking crazy scene when Jack just just swings
his fucking acts out.
Speaker 1: They shot that scene forty two times. Forty two times. Yeah,
Kubrick was a guy that did a lot of them,
and I guess scatman Crothers at the end was kind
of in tears because he's like, I don't know what
you want me to do. Like his scene was just
to act getting stabbed. He's like, I don't know what
you want me to do, and then eventually Nicholson pull
him side, is like he's sixty nine, Like let's let's stop.
Nicholson seemed to be like the only guy that could
kind of speak a little sense into Cubrick at times,
because he was pretty hard him and duval Tu had
a really bad which again I'm not saying is a
great thing. Hitchcock used to do that too, where on purpose,
Kubrick was making it very hard for Shelley so that
could come out in the performance. And then after they
were friends and she said it helped, but she said
she also never wanted to work with him ever again.
But he's, you know, one of those kind of craze
directors that like it's almost yeah, which something that probably
is not best nowadays. Just go to go to acting school,
but back then that was all all the bee's knees,
you know.
Speaker 6: So, and my last thing on on that character, I
didn't realize this until I was reading into it, that
he's a chef that works in darry Maine because it's
the same universe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fun. I forgot about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he saves Mike's or Mike's dad says that Dick
had saved their lives.
Speaker 3: During a fire.
Speaker 6: Uh, and then that this is before he went off
to become chef at the Overlook Hotel, which.
Speaker 3: I thought, that's super fucking cool.
Speaker 6: I love that kind of crossover stuff, and I would
just like, I don't know what time period that is.
But if you know the new IT Welcome to Dairy
series through it like a cameo Dick like Dick character
in there, like fuck, that is a very cool crossover.
Speaker 3: I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they can legally do it,
but there is going to be other Easter eggs to
other Stephen King stuff in the IT one. But imagine
if the the creature landed there instead of Dairy. You know,
I don't know what would happened. That had been like
a in the house working together or would that have
been you know, one I have to eat each other.
I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 5: So be that much worse of a place to visit?
Speaker 1: Now? I got this clown given around giving guys blow
jobs and everything there. So which is in the book
in the book, it's a dog though it's it's different,
there's only difference. Instead of a bear, it's a dog.
So but uh yeah, I don't remember the exact year
watched this movie, but I remember for Halloween, my Auntie
and I would always rent a bunch of movies, Like
there was one year we just went through the entire
Nightmare in Elm Street series it's like, oh, I thought
you'd like these, and then we just watched a Saturday
Sunday watch every single one. And I think this was
in like a bunch of It might have been a
Stephen King one, because that's what we do. We kind
of have themes or franchises. I remember specifically the blockbuster
like DVD case of course it's this Jack Nicholson like
going like that, and I think it must have been
like it must have been two thousands, because the first
DVD I remember owning being a big deal was Planet
of the Apes and that was in Oh, so I
feel like it must have been in that era. So
I was probably like around ten when I saw this,
but it was to the point where you guys talking
about the references like that, here's Johnny. I didn't even know,
like I didn't know about Johnny Carson yet. So until
like later on my dad tell him, like, well, that's
like from a very famous comedian. He was like, I
just always thought that was from that And even then,
for the longest time, I thought his name was Johnny
because it's a kid you don't really pick up like
like all the names, you don't remember that. So for
the longest time, I thought, oh, well, he's just saying
here's john because it's him. And then I was like,
it's just like, no, shit, you not. One time when
we went camping and my trailer in the States, my
someone had like the hundred greatest musicians, and that's how
I learned Michael Jackson was like a black man because
my whole life I just grew up with the way
his pigmentation was. And again my dad also dropped that
knowledge of oh no, look at all this stuff, and
I was like, whoa you know? So I guess my
dad was always just dropping knowledge of just calm and
stuff that I should have learned along the way, but
I didn't. So Johnny's one of those. But I remember
watching that and same thing feeling all around that I
was too young for that. I was scared, but just
like and there is scary stuff, but same thing of
like I don't think I fully get at that point,
but I and I think it was. It takes a while.
It's two thirty, but I still remember enjoying it, especially
the back half, because Nicholson is to me, if you're
gonna put up who plays the best, like crazy person
without a doubt it's Jack Nicholson. There's so many people
that try to do this or it's variations of that,
and you can feel like they're playing crazy or they
only get a little bit of that with Jack Nicholson,
his expressions and the way he'll ramily pronounce things, or
his eyes. Man, his eye. We talk about Tom harry
I work his eye work in this movie. Jack Nicholson
should have got an Academy Award for this, which is funny
because when this movie came out, it was pretty panned,
It got Razzie nominations, like it was a big like
oh this is not this is not Kubrick's best work,
and then kind of funny later on in life, it
feels like it's the one that's talked about the most.
And they even took some of the Razzies away, the
Razzy thing because like, okay, we were we were wrong
about this. But yeah, Nicholson to me is peak insanity.
And that's why I like every once in a while
you get to see like a little bit of him
break through, but then he's just back to just going
absolutely bonkers. And yeah, it's it's a top ten performance
from me because and even the stuff though at the
beginning of and I guess we'll talk about more specifically
it's all wait back, but just even it's a layered
performance throughout where it's this great thing of he's a dick,
but you can feel like he's maybe trying to be
a little bit better at the very beginning. But I
can't remember. I think it was Jack Nicholson that described
him this way of like he the way he played
the character was like he got Wendy pregnant on a
one night's stand and he's just fucked now, like and
he because he's in the time period, well she's pregnant,
so you gotta marry the woman and be a guy
and be a dad and a father. But I've always
loved that explanation of like, he never won this, but
he's trying to do good, but he is just a
piece of shit. And that's where the shining like kind
of amplifies that. But everything I could say like this
to me for me as a masterpiece, I watched this,
I'll say once a year, but sometimes it's twice. Last
year I got to see it in the theaters for
the first time and that was fantastic. And then yeah,
just I love the score. The score is not really
one you can like listen to outside because it's just
there's a lot of like strings or pianos or just
drums going off that and there's a lot of chanting.
There's one my favorite track, gets win Scatman Cruthers get stabbed.
Other than the main title secrets I can I'm not
I'm gonna butcher how it's said a ringa Wan Julia.
That's when he gets stabbed, and it's just like but
like then it's a nine minute track. There's just like
four minutes of just chanting and just like ghost sounds
and everything. So it's purely just for the movie. But
one of my favorites. Cinematography is amazing. There's so many
just still shots that are incredible, like you can make
as a painting. But just like I said, the opening
up of that highway of like it should seem kind
of mad, but with the score, with the chanting, with
the way it works, it just like it sets you
the mood right away of Okay, you're going someplace that
you shouldn't be. And yeah, the rest of the cast
is great too. Yeah, I love everything about this movie.
I lost track of how many times I've watched this.
This is one of those movies that I finished today
and I could just be like, man, I could just
watch this again, and I might before Halloween because it's
just because I kind of watch this more trying to
be a critical line things through the review, but just
for a enjoyment level. And yeah, the painting, the like
the beginning doesn't ever feel slow to me because it
just feels like it's the big setup for everything, you know,
and I feel like it all pays off h near
the end. So yeah, no, I'm picked, and I'm happy
to be finally talking about this because it's been waiting
and it was almost one of the pre two because
it's like this fight Club A couple others also a
pic shame to round out that circle. But man, this
is a incredible movie and Cubric is just many he
was on operating on a different level, especially the stuff
when you do watch the document, stuff that they do
find and that is specifically they talk about, like how
with the Native Americans. At first, it seems like, oh,
that doesn't seem like that's a real plot, but then
there's photos of him behind the scenes positioning the cans
in the food room to look a certain way. So
then when you see in the movie, you're like, oh
my god, Like that's what I means. And they're looking
at different characters at different times. It's just his mind
was just at times operating on a different level. Maybe
maybe at times made hard to work with. But that guy, like,
I don't know if there's anybody working like he was.
And that's in all stuff, but in this one specifically,
he was just firing on all cylinders. So yeah, love it.
But where should we go? Should we go with certain characters,
certain moment theory? Where we want to start with this
this one?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 7: I mean, I'll make a pitch here.
Speaker 6: Let's start with Wendy because I've not seen this actress
in anything else.
Speaker 3: And when I put this movie on and.
Speaker 1: Saw pop Eyes with Rob Williams.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen pop Eyes.
Speaker 7: She just drives Madison upp a wall.
Speaker 6: So I can't stand her, and so I just have
to I have to figure this out. Is you know,
she's obviously has to act this way to just be
super just kind of oblivious and just yeah, I feel
like she's just always on Jack's nerves, I don't know
how well and be always well.
Speaker 1: See, So you're saying, are you trying to say she's
also in your nerves too?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just trying to figure out is this just
her as an actress or is this her playing I think.
Speaker 1: There's some likes of Shelley Devol, but she's not like
this in every role and everything. It's she's trying to
play like a that That's why I like the double
side of the coin, where he feels like he's very jagged,
very hard edged. He'd be pestimistic and she'd be optimistic.
And I think that's what shows where she's always happy
and bubbling, and even when he's happy at the beginning
of the movie, it feels to me completely fake, like when
they're walking through the hotel and he has to phone back,
like you never believe him when he's like, yeah, I'm
trying to do good for the family and we're gonna
you know, because even like the first day, when she
she approaches him, she's like, oh, after you do all
the stuff at the hotel, we can go for a walk.
He's like, well, I know I got to write today.
I haven't rown in a while, and she asks like, oh,
you got any ideas? Like not any good ones, so
it's like he doesn't actually have to write, like he's
working on it. But like I feel that, like I said,
that's why I like that description of he's a guy
that got a girl pregnant on a one night stand
and he's just dealing with it. So I think they're
just completely two different personalities. But that's the time period
where she had a cave of someone you're getting married,
you know, you're you're all that, like that was expected
of you to do so. But yeah, I think he
hates her guts, but I don't think she's she's She's
not like this in all movies.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Taylor, like do you are you saying you
agree with Madison's take or do you not drive or
are you push that on a Madison or is that
you as well?
Speaker 6: Like Madison bothers her a lot more. I I definitely
tolerate it for the entertainment factor.
Speaker 3: But it's, uh, yeah, she's just she's so.
Speaker 6: Out there a way she's like screaming and freaking out.
It's like, okay, like this.
Speaker 1: End, right, She's not screaming and freaking out when they're
just like chilling in the snow.
Speaker 4: Is strictly the performance for you, or is there like
the actions of the character that that annoy you.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's just.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I would even see it as
like a really just a con.
Speaker 6: I guess it's just the way that she's just like
afraid and freaking out at certain situations.
Speaker 8: I just think, like, ah, like, I I don't know,
you're you're not a like I don't agree, like I
like it for the movie, but there is other people
that feel like that's an overtop performance.
Speaker 1: But even people like Spielberg has said he felt that
about Jack Nicholson and then he kind of talked to
Cuber and kind of got it. But Kubric the first
or spilling first time, said he didn't like the Shining
because he thought Jack was kind of like cheesy in it.
And then when he said, which it feels like, explained
the joke. But he had dinner with Cuber and Cuba's well,
this is what this is what it was supposed to be.
And he's like, oh, okay, I like it now, but
you're not Like other people have said, like the DeVault
character is very loud and fairy, but for me it
kind of works as it is. This weird place. That's
just I feel like you're just always on acid in
the shining. You know, you're just getting souped up.
Speaker 7: That's what I was I.
Speaker 6: Was curious about hearing what you guys think if that's
like what they were trying to hit, if they wanted.
Speaker 3: This character to be that way.
Speaker 6: And I guess if that is it, then I'll have
to watch it again and just to kind of like
look at it in a different light and see I
see more.
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds like that kind of what we
talked about, right. It sounds like that was the director's plan,
was to make her just completely unraveled by making her
do like I think they said like that. Also that
scene where you know she's crying, he's kind of following her.
She has to she's going up the stairs like she's
swinging the bat like apparently they did that like over
forty times or something. Yes, Like imagine being asked to
do that fucking scene forty times, like you're gonna be
You're you're having to force your body to cry over
and over again, and she's like her way to make
her put herself in that position is to like think
about traumatic memories and things like that. So now she's
just like all day long, for weeks or days or months,
whatever long. It is just like kind of being forced
to do these things over and over again. And like
I would be so curious to see like the third
take versus whatever one is in the movie that is
the final one, or if they just picked like, oh,
thirty two was actually the best or something. But I'm
curious to see how that performance would change in there.
But I think that's what it surprised me this go
around with the movie is that I actually thought her
performance for me is better than Nicholson's in this I
think she does such a great job and in terms
of the annoying factor of it, like I can see
where you're coming from, but like I don't know, like
put yourself in her shoes. Like it's kind of set
up as like he has to do this job, and
he's gonna be doing He's gonna be here all winter,
he's gonna be stuck in this place and he has
all these tasks to do. But across the movie, we
don't see him do shit. Like she's the one who's
put every day, she's taking care of the kid, she's
doing seemingly everything. I don't think we see him do
a single, like.
Speaker 1: She's calling the radio people like checking in with them, like.
Speaker 4: He's actually like making a mess of the place, like
and then and then and then you know, even when
she finds out, Okay, he's doing all this because he's writing,
and then he finds out like that he's not actually
writing anything of substance. Obviously that goes like right into
the scene of like the whole unraveling of everything. But man,
I just I feel like I have so much sympathy
for because she's doing more of a job than he is,
but like he props it up as him doing this
noble task. She's also checking in with the people on
the radio. He's not doing anything, uh, and yeah, Like
I feel like maybe that's why I had more sympathy
for us, because to me, she actually like felt like
a mother in this where he didn't feel like a father.
And I think that theory you had Travis's is interesting
because that does set it up, and that was something
I felt like maybe he took me out of his performance.
Nicholson's a bit is just like, well, I never actually
feels like he is a father at all in this
Like it doesn't feel like he has any chemistry with
a kid. But obviously that's part of the reason is
he doesn't really want to be and that's like what
the whole movie is kind of about it, and the
most I don't know, if you're trying to put an
interpretation on it, that's like the easiest interpretation to do.
But yeah, I really loved her performance. I think she
does a great job. And yeah, she's like I mean,
she she's cooped up here just like the rest of them.
She has cabin fever mixed with you know, being kind
of He probably doesn't even like have a conversation with her, Hey,
how are you doing. I don't think he'd ask her
that once, you know. So she's just on her own
in here, having to deal with a kid who's like,
you know, kind of a trippy kid, you know, like
trying to take care of him. He's talking to his
imaginary friend. He's seen imaginary things like I don't know, man,
I don't I can see where you're coming from for sure,
in terms of like her screaming and crying a lot.
But I think it's outstanding performance.
Speaker 1: Well, and also you got to think about too, she's
going in there with the consciousness of like the hope
is it's the alcohol. But Jack still abused the kid,
right because when they talk, but she tells the nurse like, oh,
it was nothing, he just you know, the papers were everywhere,
and Jack pulled his arm as in separated his shoulder.
But when Jack tells the story, he's like that little shit.
And when Jack shows that he pulls the arm, the
difference of like, oh, so that's what Jack torns and
he didn't just like, oh, come here, kid, He literally
pulled that kid like with every powers. And that's where
I love when you get to see them both tell
the story from their perspective. But even though Jack's still
doing the same thing like well it was nothing, it
was an accident, you know, but same thing she says, yeah,
But the way they tell the story shows so much.
That's the other thing too, that there she's being locked
up with a guy that they put it on the alcohol,
but I think it's just I think the alcohol, And
that's where I still put I can't push back against King,
it's his book, but like I feel like that's where
the alcohol in the show allegory still works because it's like, Okay,
let's say, he is a piece of shit guy, but
when he's off the sauce, he can like keep it
at bay right. He's not father year, but he can
just be like, I'll be working, get the moneys whatever,
do that right and not hit her or the kid.
And I feel like when he gets to the Shining
abestly he does start drinking, or the Overlook he does
start drinking again, that still kind of works as like
an alcoholic replacement as far as that's feeding him going.
And I think it's just also because he's the weakest
one out of the group, so the house can pick
on him and get him to do that stuff. But
to your point, deal about this his like chemistry of
the kid. That's why one of my favorite scenes is
when Danny goes to check on Jack when he's sleep
and and Jack gives this whole speech about how much
he loves him and he's gonna do the right thing.
And you know, when I write this book, the life's
gonna be so much better. But Jack the whole time
is if you were to read the script, you would
think this is a father reassuring his son that true
loves his son. But you watch Jack, Dude, he looks
like he's threatening him the entire time. He looks like
he is going to kill this kid right now, just
his faces and like, oh, never hurt you, and you're
like not believable at all. But that's what I like,
where I think that's the good thing, which they say
lots of times with kids, like Danny always picks up
right away more that something's off with the father versus
his mom. I think he's trying to see the best
him or trying to find some sort of light, but
Danny knows like, Eh, this this guy's not the.
Speaker 3: It's just one of those things, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I love and I love the scene
too where it starts with the first half the scene
it's just the mirror of them and they're in the bed.
Kind of goes back to earlier in the mirror. But yeah,
I love that scene of Jack and Danny, and I
think that's the last scene they have until they you know,
everything goes awry. So it kind of works that the
last thing they have is him like assuring him like, hey,
I'm never gonna hurt you, and then you know, cut
to him chasing with an axe.
Speaker 6: He the scene where he's chasing with an axe. You know,
it's just he shows more fatherly like I don't want
to say connection or whatever, but just more father like.
And he's just got this fucking smile on his face,
like he looks like a happy father.
Speaker 3: Just wasn't for the axe and the fucking limp he's
got going.
Speaker 1: He looks like a happy fall. I don't know if
I'm go that far. He's looking pretty deterred there.
Speaker 3: Happy excited to find his son.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's excited to find his son, right, you know.
Speaker 6: Even in the maze too, Like when he's walking around like, fuck,
he's are we just talking about him now? He is
like or no, no, because Kirkling didn't talk about Wendy.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, Chilly Devaul. I think she is fantastic in this.
Speaker 2: I I think she plays her role like just just perfectly.
I I can definitely see where you're coming from with
like some of the annoyances of just just when she
goes like the extra the extra distraught, uhnis whatever.
Speaker 5: But I I think it is justified.
Speaker 2: I think I do sympathize with her, and I think honestly,
she's like probably giving Jack like way too much for
for for uh, like like what she's maybe like tolerating
with him, like like obviously she's defending him to the
like the the doctor lady, and then just like yeah,
just he's basically treating her like garbage, like throughout the
whole film, Like it seems like he has a little
bit more of like a like a facade like earlier
on in the in the in the movie, and it's
probably like the actual acting of the role of like Jack,
like when he's been what seems to be like a nice,
nice guy like to her, it still just feels like
it's like it's an act that he's doing. And I
think that is intentional, Like it's not just like a
bad actor showing me that he's acting in that role.
It's like, no, this is the character where he's actually
just so annoyed with his life that he has to
like put on this fake face that to just be
cordial with their marriage, right, yeah, the marriage, Yeah, like
with his wife. So I think she's she's super fantastic.
And honestly, this is probably like the first version of
like a final girl type character that I had experienced
like in movies. So I always just kind of see
her as being like the like the pillar of Like, Okay,
how are you gonna have like a girl running away
with the weapon trying to defend herself and just like terrified,
Like this is kind of what I would think of.
So I obviously hold her to to hire echelons because
of that, because it's just she is like the o
G final girl.
Speaker 5: And in my mind when when I look.
Speaker 2: Back on just the earlier exposure to horror movies that
I've had, but no, she's she's super, super fantastic throughout
and uh yeah, I remember, like as a kid, like
seeing her early on in this in this movie, and
like before she hits the fan, I'm like, man, she's
just she's freaky. She just freaks me out. There's some
about her. It's just she's got a I don't know.
I don't want to rag on anyone's like physical traits
by by any means, but as a kid, I just
remember seeing her and being like, oh my god, like
that that's her.
Speaker 1: Her eyes are very big, so I think they but
I think they work for this role, especially because they
have to do a lot but expressive. Yeah, to Dylan's
point two about the eyes and the crying At one
point she had to start drinking more water because she
had no more water left for the crying scene, so
she just had to start chugging back where I get
some liquids going on. So the next GV film, you know,
I'm much more the Clint Eastwood one take. We're good.
You know mine's mine's more because we don't have the time.
But you know, there's something like that style some people
don't like Fincher. Is that style? Now? That's why Jake
Jillenholl won't work with him. I remember there's this whole
thing in Zodiac where it's this literally Jake putting down
a binder, and they shot that like fifty times, and
after the movies like, I'm never fucking work with that
guy again, Like it was just a binder? Why am
I putting this down? He's like what? And there's a
whole clip online them arguing like you want to put
it down like this like this, and he's like, I
put it down like this. He puts it downy, No,
it's not how I want to put It's literally just
a hes a binder on his seat and it's the
funniest thing to watch in retrospect. But yeah, I don't
think I could ever. I feel like, unless it's like
Takes being screwed up, I feel like Tanna is maybe
the maxim like I wonder, but I get the point right.
The idea is you want to just keep going and
see further and further, because there's some people that say, oh,
that does help me, and that is like the longer
I got into, like you become more of that person
versus you delivering the lines. But yeah, when you get
to that that forty sphere, I feel like I don't
know that that's gonna be something else. You know, that's
a whole different playing view.
Speaker 4: So, Kirk, when you mentioned, uh, just the her being
the final girl is kind of a funny thought to me,
just because like that kind of implies that there's other
people that are dying in this. And that's where I
want to ask you guys about the Chef character, because
to me, that to me, it was like the most
obvious thing of like, what is this character doing in here?
Like what is this add of the movie? This seems
to me like you cut him out of the movie,
you save fifteen minutes, We're all good. I feel like
obviously the start of the movie he's there. I mean, first,
as you guys mentioned, like the first half an hour
is just like expedition exposition, like dumping all over the place.
Obviously he's kind of the one who explains the concept
of the shining. Then I feel like the stuff later
on where he's like calling the station over and over again.
Then he gets up in his like in the in
the SnowCat thing. Then he's coming up and then he
just like dies instantly, And I feel like maybe the
purpose of that is that so that Jack had someone
to kill, because obviously there's not any other people here,
and they wanted there to be a big and actual
bloody murder, not just like a weird uh hallucination that
happened so many times. But for me, when that happened,
he was kind of like, well, what has this been
all for? Like I so, I'm curious what you guys
think of the chef and what does he add to
the movie other than like explaining the concept of the
shining to Danny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, I.
Speaker 2: Take it as he's like a beacon of hope that
we have for like our innocent people in this film.
Like from the get go, he seems really nice, like
he's talking to Danny and he's he just seems like
a nice man.
Speaker 5: And then I think he's creepy.
Speaker 4: The fact that he knows the kids like nickname to me,
he comes to Cors is so creepy.
Speaker 1: In that scene, Well he read his mind right, Like yeah,
so that's why because he and you know, they have
that connection going on.
Speaker 2: So just the fact that he like knows about the powers, like, Okay,
this is probably someone I can I can trust in
some way shape or for him, but I don't know.
I got friendly vibes from him over creepy. But and
then like later on in the film, he's like checking
it up on them and then trying to get info
through the like the patrol, the rangers or whoever is
on the other side of the radio is there, Like
he just like the one person that seems like, I
don't know, he could potentially save these people, like like
he's actually invested, he's actually traveling there, that he's traveling
there in the SnowCat And then as a viewer, if
you're watching this for the first time, it's like, this
is gonna be the guy that actually saves the kid
and and and the wife. But then to just instantly
get bopped. I haven't seen a lot of Stephen King things,
but I feel like Stephen King's has like a habit
of just like giving you that like false hope and
then just like gut punch, like we just murder this,
this gentleman right in front of you, right when you
think that he was about to get out. I think
it was like the mist.
Speaker 5: Did he do? The miss? Is that Stephen King product?
Speaker 1: Missed? Yes?
Speaker 2: Which is the ending thing, the ending of that yeah,
big gut punch, And I just remember it's like, Okay,
I can never I can never have hope in a
Stephen King project these days. And that's kind of what
I attribute that character to being. Yeah, but good, good point.
There isn't really many people for Jack to take out
beyond his family, so I guess it does add to
just having someone as a victim so that we can
have Wendy go in there and just freak out by
seeing a body.
Speaker 1: I will say, even though you're right on the project.
So if someone doesn't tell me the missed ending is
actually a happy ending. The movie they changed it, Frank
Durbant changed it to that really fucked up ending.
Speaker 5: Oh the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, yeah, and King has been a record on
that one saying it's better than his book the movie.
So there you go. It's their verse there so.
Speaker 5: More fucked up.
Speaker 4: Like an eight ball. And he's like, yeah, I'll say
that's how I feel about this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's funny. I maybe I have it in there.
But some point weird way that Hollywood works. That's Kubrick
had the rights to The Shiny and Stanley Or and
Stephen King didn't, so when they want to make the
TV series, King had to go buy the rights back
from Kubrick. And the deal was that to stop talking
shit about the movie, and which he did do eventually,
and then eventually yeah, and then the last then, I
think the last time King on records spoke about it,
he's like, oh, you know, I actually watch it now.
I like it now, like more, I understand it a bit.
But it's like, well, I don't know how genuine this is.
But Excub's been dead for a while. But with Scatman Brothers,
Fuck I love has one he won Flew Over the
Cucko's Nest. That's another one he does with jack Man.
That is a that's a really good one. Watch that
at some point. That's another one that I think Jack
went his first oscar for. I think, uh, I think
so yeah, but uh so I think, yeah, he's there
for the exposition he's I think they're trying to establish
because I think that's one thing King likes to do,
is he is trying to so all see lots of books,
so same, but they're trying to establish it. The shining.
He's not just exclusive to Danny. So it's like, Okay,
it's going to be a multifacet okay, shine Like Danny
has these shining powers. Scatman Crother has these shining powers.
Jack does. They don't really say in the movie, but
Jack does in the books. Uh. And then alsoly the
house is kind of like a hotbed for that. And
then practically also he does technically save them right because
he gets the vehicle up there. I think the only
thing I don't think you're wrong as far as like
technically you could cut all that stuff out not make
too much of a difference. I think kind of like
to Kirkland's point, though, the first time I watched it,
I thought he was I don't know if he's gonna survive,
but I thought he was going to be the turning
point of this mother and son are in big trouble
and he's gonna save everything, and other than getting the
vehicle up there, he doesn't, So I think he just
kind of uses like a red herring, which I do enjoy.
And then I also think from why that stuff so
long in the movie, I think it's just to give
the viewers a break because I feel like there's a
lot of spooky, tense stuff going on, and then when
he gets there and that whole segment happens, it's like
right before we're gonna get to the really bad stuff.
So I wonder if that's part of it, to like, hey,
let's just have you know, five minutes here, ten minutes here,
just to like give a breather, because there's not like
you can't really give a breather a jack because he's
off the deep end when he's fucking freaking out, Danny's
just having seizures anywhere, there's no like comedic character, and
that's kind of Scatman Crothers right, because he's kind of
a happy, gold lucky guy. I appreciate. I ran the
trivia that they put the naked photo of the girl
because they want to establish this isn't like an uber
religious like spiritual character, Like he's just a normal guy
who happens to have like the superpowers like Danny. They
didn't want to like make it like, oh he has
a higher power. Its like no, he just he happens
to have the shining too, and he you know whatever.
So I think that that's why, So I could see
that side of kind of things. But I guess it's
it's still it still works for me. But I also
just like Scatman Crothers. I love his voice. I just
love the demeanor he has. And fan of I don't
think I've seen a bunch of stuff, but fan of
things I've seen him in. So but Taya you t
told me earlier a fan of Dick.
Speaker 3: So I'm a fan of him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, from the moment he's in there, and he just
creates this kind of like bond with with Danny.
Speaker 5: I do like it.
Speaker 3: And I think that he's.
Speaker 6: Just ultimately serves as the purpose of just getting a
snowmobile out there to help them escape.
Speaker 3: That's that's just what it serves.
Speaker 6: And there's so many different theories that you can deep
dive into about him being another method that the overlook
is employing to try and get Danny out, to try
and get to Danny by having, you know, this guy
the chef come back, all these different things. That one
was a loose one, and.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that really goes.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it was like to coax Danny
out so that like that Jack could get him or
something like. I don't know, but there's just there's there's
all these different things. The thing that I like is
just the simplicity factor. He could sense Danny's in trouble
because he had that connection and he wanted to go
and help. And I feel like he probably knew he
was gonna be his end by going up there. I
feel like he might have had a hunch about something
like that. But again it's up to interpretation.
Speaker 7: I don't know why to But when he's just.
Speaker 6: Shit starting to go sideways, you can tell those negative
energy forming and it just cuts to him in his
fucking bachelor suite and it's just him lying there, spreading
his fucking amazingly expensive pajamas on his bed. It just
pans out and there's that naked chick up on the
back wall, and then he goes and gets on his
phone and he's got this naked chick up on this
wall too, like he's just living.
Speaker 3: Like a fucking like what a guy like.
Speaker 1: Also, if you notice the walls in his place where
he is is the same paint Tily has many of
the rooms in the Shining or the overlook as well too,
So it goes to any of your theory of I
feel like it's the opposite. I feel like when Jack
talks to Grady, they don't want him there because risk
of them working together, which they gave the Doctor Sleep too,
and two people that have the Shining are kind of interlinked.
That like, to me, that's why I think Jack kills
him right away because in Doctor Sleep they establish if
they can kind of feed off each other's gogee and
you know, push things forward where I feel like that's
why they need like this guy needs to be dead
right away, because Nny's a kid, right, It's different with
the adults made they could link up, but I feel
like they don't. I don't know if they want him
there because you know, when Graddy's like, oh he's he's
on his way, there's the cook and you know, so.
Speaker 6: Uh well, and so I did a little like snooping
Google thing with the it welcome to Darius. So apparently
everyone is just saying that this guy is Dick hallerand
oh yeah, because he would have been. He would have
been a young military chef at this point and people
are just saying like this this guy is that this
is him, Chris Chalk.
Speaker 3: Is supposed to be playing him, and welcome to Darry so.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, what a name. Well we'll be we'll be
reviewing that, so that'll be interesting to see. If I don't,
I don't think any of the other people are popping up,
but that'd be. That'd be fun to get him in there,
if you if they get the rights to do that,
because Shining is a Warner Brothers movie, and if people
they probably I think we might have talked about this
the my favorite movie logo of all time. That's why
I had Taylor make the GV Studios look like that
old school Warner Brothers logo of the Red, the Black
and like the W and the B man. That thing
is they should never change. Well, obviously they're gonna get
bought one day, so warmer isn't gonna be a thing.
But I love that logo so much. That's why when
I told Taylor, hey, make it look something like this
because I love that thing so much. But yeah, w
B does own the Shining, so maybe they still have
some rights to use that character, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all in although I think he's Yeah, he's just
such a he's such an interesting character and I wish
we got a little bit more of in this movie.
But uh yeah, no, I I it is fucking brutal.
Just again, I already said it. But when he's walking
and it's so quiet, he can't hear anything, and he's
just like hello anybody, Yeah, and Jack just just fucking
he does like a close up of his Jack's face
and he just like does this, like sucks his lower
lipping like inhales, and he's doing his fucking acts and just's.
Speaker 7: There's nothing, there's no communication between the two of them.
Speaker 6: It's just like Danny screams and then it's just boom
outside like backed out shot of just Dick just on
the ground dead. He's fucking done and you don't even
have time to process it.
Speaker 3: It's just such a crazy.
Speaker 6: Fucking scene, my goodness. But again it just goes to
show their connection.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's kind of funny that they don't
really I'm not. I can't remember the boo because I
read the book when I was in middle school, like
sometime a little bit after I had read this because
I want to see it, and like I said, I
still enjoy the book. It has lots of the same isthms.
But so in the movie though, him and Hallway don't
really interact that much, Like at the overlook before I
think goes to crap, it's more him with Danny and
Wendy and he's off doing stuff with the other two guys.
So it's kind of like they might have not even
said one word to each other. And that's all you
that's the next time you see this guy. He just
has an act six inches into your chest and just
I think, for me, what is so gnarly? Not even
just a score. But for me, it's not that he
hits him, that he hits him, and it's just like
that way he's like wrenching, he's trying to like push
it forward. There's something that's just so off about that
in a good way. And that's why I love Like
the acts is just like we've seen so many movie
weapons now, but they make it seem like it is
fucking Thor's hammer in this thing. And I love the
shots of when he's bringing that door and it's like
the following of it and it's tracking on that. Kubrick
shot that himself. He did something where he got a
tripod and he wanted to go like this, but he
was while he was tracking it. He was also looking
at the screen to make sure he's doing it. But
he said he wanted to shoot himself. But I just
love that We're about to see poor Scatman brothers. Just
he's just that's a good fit. I love that jacket
though he looked Betty's warm and then yeah it's got Yeah,
he's just And I mean that is a that is
the son of like those eyes Jack Nicholson has. That
is a crazy person. That man, Yeah, that man is
not all there. And I just I love it, man,
I I love I just it's so good. That last
back half and the whole when it starts off with
the speech that that is probably my favorite part of
the movie. That deals someone and that takes it up
the stairs. I just like the whole down world spile
of Jack is but just that whole speech and walking
up and I'm not gonna hurt you, and you know,
Light of my Life I always call Emily. Then she
gives me the eyes because she's know what it's from.
But I just like, darling, light of my Life, I'm
not gonna hurt you. I'm just gonna bash your fucking brain.
And then she hits him in the hand. He's like, oh,
like he I love that he looks like upset that
she hit like he can't believe that she hit him,
which I think is kind of going into like the
time period of like a woman should you know the
way he is like give me the bat, like you
shouldn't go against the man at all. Right, So when
he gets in the hand, he's like so shocked and
that thing like he gets beat by her. He gets
ousted by a fucking ten year old kid in the
maze like he That's what I do like about the
Jack character. He's not like some savant genius. He's just
like a mad man. And again he would have lost
Wendy beat him and blocked him up if it wasn't
for any of the ghosts or if it was Danny.
He's just stuck in there. But that shot too of
the you know I have Taylor doing something similar. Second
movie that shot Man is just when he's doing that
whole speech of like oh I got a he starts
with the gas sighting like oh I think I hurt
my head and I just feel really bad, but now
let's talk, and then he just like something's coming for you.
Just the all the variations he goes through in a
minute of emotions.
Speaker 6: Is Man so good When he's in the dry storage
and he uh this point like he wakes up, but
he's like Wendy and it sounds like kind of like
he had like a moment worry, is kind of like
relieved from being possessed there. But when he's talking to
the ghost or the spirit and Grady, Yeah, and Grady,
it's just like, oh, I don't think you can do it,
and then he can do it. And then just there's that
brief moment where Grady's like I and others, you know,
like we don't you know, we don't.
Speaker 3: Really believe in you.
Speaker 6: You don't have the heart for It's like fuck I
and others, And it's just kind of instills that like
all these again, depending what you believe with this movie,
if it's Danny or whatever, all these different demonic presences
that are inside this hotel that just want him to
murder his wife.
Speaker 1: It's just it's beary, yeah, which I don't think they
do that. I think in the movie it is to
show that Jack Torrens is weak you talk about in
your opening. In the book, it is more to show
like there's still a good person in Jack Torrens, because yeah,
he does not in the movie Jack or so in
the book, Jack just does like a sacrifice. He like
burns the hotel down and lets him get away because
he knows he's kind of screwed. He can't get out,
even the point where like Danny graduates and he sees
like the ghost of his dad, like like happy clapping
forms of which I do get it. It is his
force end again like forced Jack Torrance, but which I
do understand. But again I don't mind the the mom
being that beacon and then him just being Yeah, in
this version, he's not a he's I couldn't see this
Jack Nicholson doing that sacrificial play and you run and
I'm gonna take down the hospital. So that's why I like,
it's more of just him being weak and he's it
feels like he's trying to earn the respect of these ghosts,
which obviously plays into because that's on the book, the
whole portrait at the end, right with the nineteen twenty one,
and there's always that debate of like, Okay, is it
just because he died and he got sucked in that
image just kind of like the house takes another one,
or is this a renated version of a guy, because
Grety does like, you're the caretaker. You've always been the caretaker, right,
and is like, and that's like that version better where
it's almost like from day one the most Jack Torrance
was born, he because he was always gonna end up
back here, and he's just kind of like like the shining.
The house is kind of in him, the same way
Danny's like a ten year old and has to shining.
But he's not a monster. So I like the idea
more of that he there is like a reincarnation sort
of sense, because you know, if if you believe in
the heaven, then I assume you got I kind of
believe in a hell. So I feel like that's the
way I kind of look at it. As you know,
the the Shining has one of their own out there
and the second he took that job interview, it was
he was over for him. His fate was, his fate
was locked. But I that photo, man, I absolutely love
I still get I get chills right now thinking about
because I think it's such a great way where it ends.
They drive off and it's just a it comes down
and you just see him there. You're like, oh my god,
I remember the kid that was like I think that
was the thing that stuck with me of like mind blowing,
like what's he doing in that painting?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And I still want to gotta get Tarr photoshop one
of me in there. But I see Tayr what you're reading.
Speaker 4: Up for the easy photoshop? Yeah photo Kirklan, what's your
uh interpretation of the photo of that photo?
Speaker 5: I took it.
Speaker 2: I've kind of always taken it the same way and
maybe I'm wrong in this, but just since he died,
like on the residence, he's just like a part of
the overlook now, like just like how the do they
have a name for like the previous Jack like went
crazy and killed like the twins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the waiter in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: He's bald and killed just like Oh, I imagine Crady
wasn't always a part of that, Like it's just like
a cycle thing. But I don't know, maybe not, because
maybe that list would have to just keep getting bigger
and bigger.
Speaker 5: But Jack, and.
Speaker 1: For your theory, they kind of do that with in
Doctor Sleep because Jack becomes the bartender in Doctor Sleep,
so do your theory and other people that have that theory.
And it's kind of like, Okay, he's sucked into the
house now, I think just for me, because he's in
the middle of the photo. It's like there's something a
little bit more up there because he's so centered. But
major's anybody that dies last. It's just the middle of
that photo, right, But yeah, and Doctor Sleep, he is
the bartender, and it's some really great scenes.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure. What were we talking about before that painting?
Speaker 4: Painting?
Speaker 2: Oh the uh, basically the moral obligation that Jack keeps
like bringing up and like he's at this point he's
just crazy, but like he always throws that into his
wife's face of like you think we could just leave,
Like I made a moral obligation to like look over
this hotel, which is hilarious because as Dylan, you brought
up like he's doing fuck all, it's all Wendy doing
all of the uh the maintenance, upkeep and and not
letting Winter take over, like the elements takeover, like like
Buddy said at the beginning.
Speaker 5: Of the film.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like when and I agree, it's probably it's
probably my favorite scene when when he's just like approaching
her on the stairs and she's she's freaking out. She
just discovered that this whole time, he's just been writing
the same fucking phrase over and over and over again.
It's just like a colliding of so many things. But
he like brings that up again. It's just like, I
have a moral obligation to my employe. You think I
could like it.
Speaker 9: What happened to me if I leave this job and
then and then it all like it's kind of similar
to when what Grady's talking, uh talking to him about
right when he's trapped in the dry storage of like,
you know, it's disappointing that.
Speaker 2: Like we thought you were yeah, basically just like an employee,
and it's unfortunate that you're not gonna be able to
live to that standard. And I feel like that that
was a big mindset thing, especially just back then, like
like we're talking about the image, Oh you get you
get a lady pregnant and you kind of okay, well
now you have to marry them. That's gonna be your
your family for life now. And very much so with
like working, Like there's so many people that just like, Okay,
I'm a milkman for life now, like that's just my job,
that's that's who I am, or a postal man.
Speaker 1: So it's just especially because she's not I would assume
they don't mention in the movie and I don't know,
but but it doesn't look like she's working. So it's
that classic element of the woman stays at home and
the man has to provide, right, So that's the idea
of well, that's why Nick I'm doing all this, which
again like about he's not doing the bounces, he's writing
the same words over, he's going into fucking rooms, making
out with dead chicks. He's bouncing a ball off the wall,
which was Jack Nicholson's idea, because the script is said
Jack does nothing. He's like, I'm just not going to
walk around. I gotta do something, and then he just
had this idea to bounce the ball off all these
walls and whatnot.
Speaker 4: The most aggressive way possible, like the loudest noise. Yeah,
I thought she was. Wasn't she like homeschooling Danny? Was
that a lie? True?
Speaker 1: I think she might have been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think she did. Would you guys
take this job?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, less than you guys are the guys are
the kids? Yes?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I'm not to talk to my family about that.
Speaker 4: What about the employer tell us in detail about the murder? Like,
would you take because to me, that was like kind
of over the top and like, I don't know, if
you're trying to get a guy to like take this job,
I don't know if you would willingly share that information
if they ask about it. Maybe you could comment on it,
but like, I know, that seemed like you wouldn't do
so much detail about this story. Obviously it's because it's
also exposition. But yeah, I thought that was kind of
funny how much detail he goes into there. But I
would take the job, I think maybe regardless if even
after he shared that information, I just think that would
be a fun I don't know if i'd want to
do it every year for the rest of my life,
of course, but like for one year, that could be
a fun winter job to.
Speaker 1: Have five months locked away. Just no, H'm bugging you.
You got all this food, you got this like the
the Yeah, I don't get wrong. I think it would,
regardless of ghosts or not, be scary it sometimes because
it's such a massive the murder stuff. Yeah, i'd have
to I have to think a little bit, but I love.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be freaky if you just have some
accent or something, you might just oh, yeah, you're done,
You're done for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that is. That is the other thing.
So that's why too, And I guess it's I guess
it's making me. But you could argue it's even just
going up there with Danny is kind of questionable, right,
Like not only just a kid, but the way Danny is,
it's like he's not he's got a lot of other needs. Yeah,
so it's like same thing maybe. But again I don't
blame that on Wendy because I'm sure Jack would have
strong armed or not literally but in a way to
get them up there. But yeah, that it may maybe literally,
but that idea of just being away five months all
that snow everything. You know, that'd be great until you
get a room two thirty seven and then your vacation's over.
You know, it's it's not going good for you.
Speaker 6: So, uh, Travis, I got a question for you. So
I could be completely wrong with this. The reason I
put that photo into.
Speaker 1: Uh mind, you of Emily Travis.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the pohyah, that's the photo here.
Speaker 6: Uh So for the past little bit between the period
of the Halloween pull retro, starting for when the patrons
had to pick which movie We're gonna do, I feel
like you started dropping that photo more often the discord.
Were you trying to like subliminally get her patrons to
vote for the movie?
Speaker 1: I like doing that for anyone joins Patreon because it's
just like I used to use the Charlton Heston Welcome
to the Mad House. But I like the Shining one
because it's just like a fun like, oh oh, you're
a part of the team, but it's also okay team
Yeah maybe maybe maybe maybe it was, but no, I
I just love that photo h in general there, which
Kubrick said at one point he was gonna try to
recreate and he couldn't, so they just used some photo
from that time. Then they just airbrushed Nicolson on it.
You can find the original photo of the original guy
on there. But uh yeah, so anything specifically scenes wise,
I was gonna just shot out there's not much to
say because it's a great scene. But I remember as
a kid being rocked by two three seven, just because
I feel like it's definitely an early age of scene.
Some some naked titties. No, I do repeat because that's
not a sexy scene though. It's like because I feel
like that's like I would have to think, but the
stuff I'm consumer, I think that might be one of
the earliest times I've seen like adult tree on screen, right,
because you're like, okay, from when I saw it's like,
well he's married, he's a kid, Like, what's going on here?
That's not something I knew about in my life, So
I think with that, and the music is not is
not like it's creepy obviously, it just came from Danny
got attacked in that room. So no ab repeat. But yeah,
I remember when that reveal happened of just being that
I was looking like Danny be like, oh my god,
just and then even when they do for me, what's
more creepy is the shot from Danny's perspective in the
middle of it, when they have like the camera is
positioned the way that you would be looking at it
from the eyes from a kid, and he looks down
the bathtub and just sees this dead old lady in
the way she just sits up like stokely, like not moving,
and then she's moving like cut and you don't see
what happens that, Oh it's right there. That to me
is the because I feel like we don't see that,
we don't see like a POV from a kid in
a movie. So just this little three foot kid looking
down at this rotting woman in bath till it's like,
oh my god. And then that's when you know Jack's
completely screwed up because he's like, oh, nothing going on
in that room. It's completely fine, And You're like, oh no,
he's he's gone. And I guess at first you're like, well,
is he lying to her because the protector, but he
seems like he's just kind of all down for it.
And yeah, before I forget, like Tara said, that is
the backstory of that lady, that she was just sleeping
with young guys. And eventually I think she gets stood
up one night, so she kills herself in that bathtub.
But there is a theory. In the scene where Grady
spills the alcohol and a jack, there is one of
the table, so I do not know till today. There's
a young man sitting with a very older woman and
people think that's her in that scene, and she's like
The reason they say is because when Jack walks by her,
she gives him like a very icy cold stare. It's
non focus, it's like very much off to the side.
But it's like, oh god, damn, I love that where
it's like not like it's something that now again all
these years later, it's like, now that's something every time
I'm watching it. Because I heard that fact and then
watched the scene, I was like, oh that that's really
cool that it is just this little little easter egg
somewhere in there that she's probably sitting in that at
that table. And then again just another person gets sucked
up by the house. Right, So yeah, two seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, room room two three seven. That's like been a
reoccurring uh. I don't want to say a joke, but
just a reoccurring meme. I guess in my family, my
dad will always just send a photo of like the
key of like two two three seven, like around Halloween time.
So yeah, and very much. Probably the scene that just
stood out the most when I watched that first time
as a kid, especially like it when it when it
cuts like the Rotten Lady, which she's like hugging Jack
Nicholson and like they just they just macked and yeah.
Speaker 5: Just that laugh.
Speaker 2: It's a very uh, very anti ab ab repeat, I
would say.
Speaker 6: So after that, he just shows up with Wendy. He's like,
everything's fine. It's just he's it looks so composed and
just so chill, like he didn't just make out with
this dust Steve fucking ghost wench things.
Speaker 4: What a sentence. Uh have you guys ever been in
a hedge maze before?
Speaker 1: M No, yeah, once, but a small one.
Speaker 4: Taylor, you said, yes, yeah? Where Where where was that at?
Speaker 3: I can't remember, but I remember being in it.
Speaker 4: WHOA, that's freaky. You don't remember where it was?
Speaker 3: There's snow, my dad was chasing me.
Speaker 7: I don't remember where it was, but I do remember
being in one.
Speaker 3: It was pretty pretty intricate.
Speaker 4: Huh, Travis, do you know where you're the one you
did was No, I don't freak should I feel like
that's something you should know.
Speaker 1: Is there not one somewhere in Vancouver, like a small
one or something. I think that would have.
Speaker 3: Been like Stanley Park in Vancouver.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. They maybe had one or somebody. Yeah,
I think mine was like a very small one opposed
to this where the crew did have to carry walkie
talkies because they would legitimately get lost in there. So
they they there's many people that uh spent some time
in there, so but no, not not anything to that
degree though, So.
Speaker 4: Which, Yeah, apparently that's like an addition for the movie.
He wasn't not in the book. No, but he wanted that,
which I think is probably another good like allegory for
going insane and yeah, losing yourself and that kind of stuff.
Does that makes sense?
Speaker 1: It's that shot when he's looking down the fake maze
and they have the the them in there.
Speaker 5: I really like, Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 4: I like that. I I uh, one thing I really liked.
I mean, the cinematography is really great overall, but I
really liked some of the really harsh cuts that happened,
like the even early on in the movie when Danny
is talking with the with the chef, and he's like
explaining this whole you know, the whole concept, the exposition
of the the shine, how all that works. But the
way that like that's a very long scene, you know
if you factor in like him doing the full tour
and everything, and then like the way it ends is
just like a super harsh cut, which yeah, is like
I don't know, I feel like a lot of these
scenes are really slow plotting and building up to things
and then it won't even end with like some big moment,
but it's just like a really harsh cut at the
time that have but two is like at one point
they you know, we do like a one month later jump,
and then the next time jump we get is just
like Tuesday, but it's like we don't know what day
of the week it is, So it's like such a
jarring thing of like, okay, we're dumping to Tuesday, be
like I don't know, was it Monday? Was it Friday?
Like how many days just passed? And then obviously at
some point it jumps like Wednesday or something, so it's like, Okay,
we've skipped one day since Tuesday. But I think, to me,
that seems like very intentional of just like really throwing
you off, and like the time of like how long
this has been? How long it hasn't it been? That
kind of stuff. So I thought that was like a
nice moment as well. But yeah, I think in general,
just a lot of the harsh cuts, the way the scent,
the scenes end, the transitions, I thought we were pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even that, it's funny when you get to
like the day of the events, then starts moving to
like time increments instead of the days, so just kind
of all over the place, like four pm. It's like, oh, okay, cool, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, I'm gonna show out that
scene where Jack is just he's in the the ballroom,
everyone's having a good time partying and gets his drink
and then the caretaker, Grady, goes spills the tray on
him and then takes him to the bathroom and it
just starts off like just it's very light. You know,
he's just hallucinating, you think whatever, and then it just
starts to go down this dark. It becomes much more quiet.
You can't really hear what's going out in the ballroom anymore.
It's just the two of them in this room and
it becomes very very dark with gratty, like what are
you going to do about it?
Speaker 3: You know out there's outside.
Speaker 6: Help coming, and it's like fuck this just it just yeah,
you have an aesthetic and an environmental atmosphere that's just
very you know, it's back to being like social and
you feel like there's people around. Even though it's all fake,
it still gives you as a viewer a bit more
peace of mind in this context, and then it just
takes that away. So I think it's in This movie
is full of those moments where it creates something and
then it's good at just restricting that or removing it,
and then it just makes you feel like, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great scene for the guy that's just in one
scene other than like, yeah, hear his voice later on,
but good moment.
Speaker 2: Jack's uh, his bartender Lloyd. Is that just a character
that he knew in his life because he said that
was like this, you know, it was always his favorite bartender.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And that's why that's where I
go in the theory of he's been there before. So I
guess you could say that maybe it's someone from his mind,
but I feel like it's like he already knows these plays,
especially when I can't remember the full context. But Jack
and is the first conversation Jack and when he have
when he wakes up, he's like, oh, she's I think
she's talking about it's kind of weird or lonely. I
nobody's like, Oh, I love it here. It feels like
I've been here my whole life, you know. So I
think that's for me. That goes into my side of
the theory where I think he has been here before,
and it is he just knows this guy off by name,
which he doesn't have any money to start off with.
They give him a drink, but the more crazy he gets,
the next time he goes to the bar, his walls
loaded with cash. So it's almost like they're rewarding him
for going deeper into the madness of like, Okay, now
you've done this and this, and then here's your money
and again very much loving Doctor Sleep. He becomes the
bartender with his alcohol problem and everything.
Speaker 6: So do you think that in retrospect because of the
Doctor Sleep, it's a great point with Jack being the bartender.
Do you think Lloyd could be Jack's abusive father spirit?
Speaker 1: There there's a chance you could have that there, that
could work.
Speaker 5: No comment.
Speaker 4: Okay, I gonna watch Doctor Sleep again. It's been a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else.
Speaker 2: Before we didn't really talk about Danny too much. I
I do think in an era of like this, this
would have been lesser child actors. Like he really was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Only did two.
Speaker 1: Things this in a TV movie and then he quit
acting because he said it was boring. I love that
he is a Doctor Sleep. He has a cameo was
like a parent on the baseball team. He has like
he makes a joke about some kid being psychic or something.
But yeah, no, he just did this movie and he
said to the parents, said yeah, sure, don't got to
do it more. And then he became like a professor
or something like that.
Speaker 2: So shout out to uh it's crazy. Yeah No, I
think he's fantastic the whole film. The one scene that
I don't love in particular, and I think it just
goes on too long. It kind of fits the purpose,
but it's it's basically I think the mom is sleeping
and then like Tony comes in, he's just like repeating
red rom.
Speaker 1: M.
Speaker 2: The scene just feels like it goes on for like
ten minutes of him just repeating this, and he's doing
it in the tony voice, and it's just.
Speaker 1: It gets worse more grading like that the end. Yeah, yeah,
it's it said forty three times before it's revealed the
word murder. So there you go, Kirk, he fellows too
much there, forty three thousand.
Speaker 5: This poor child, his voice is just shredded on that
back one more time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a bit nicer to the kid than
he he was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I put it in the trivia,
but him and the kid had a really good relationship.
They told the kid he was in a drama. They
heavily shot around him, and when they showed him the movie,
he saw like a very short cut that had none
of the horror stuff in it. He didn't see the
full movie till he was eighteen, and then learned later
on that was a horror movie. And then he said
in his classes that he refused like he'll, I think
he said jokingly, but disciplined his students that they asked
with a shining because he's like, I have no information
on it. I don't remember a single thing doing with it.
But like when he graduated, Cuber called him and sent
him a gift and all this stuff, so he stayed
in contact with them for a while, so at least that, yeah,
Cuber made sure the kid was very well protected. Even
lots of the scenes where the mom is holding him
for a lot of the stuff, it's just a doll.
It's not actually a kid. So they're like, we don't
really want him to subject anytime. Shelley Devall's yelling like,
we don't want him in this scene at all. So
they they did a good job. Yeah, So, which is funny.
You just think you're in this like I don't know,
marriage drama against him, and then when you walk that
must have been what experience to watch the first time,
like eighteen you've heard about this and you have like
some memories, but then you're watching like I was in
this and all this stuff like it's just must have.
I hope there's an interview out there so someone really
asks him about that stuff. But he does a couple
of like cons here and there, so yeah, he does.
Speaker 4: Uh, he does a really good job to your point,
Kirk Clym in the era where you don't expect that,
I thought he did really great.
Speaker 1: Anything else or some trivium I think we hit on everything,
but then I would just the next hour just be
like I love this scene. I love this scene. So
you know there's nothing.
Speaker 6: Else speaking of scenes, so I gotta go one more.
I'll play this one just always. It fucking plecues me
up every time.
Speaker 1: My favorite gift of all time because it.
Speaker 6: Comes out of nowhere in the movie seen as this
for the audio listeners.
Speaker 3: To thirty seconds of just a zoom in on Jack's face.
Speaker 1: It's the first time when he's kind of breaking, like
everything's fine, and then you just get the shot. And
that's the shot where people think he looks like the
whatever the fucking animal I said earlier I can't remember,
but he's very bold like the Menatauri. Yeah, because it's
like the way his eyebrows are in his eyes and
if you put it over and stuff. But yeah, that's
a fantastic Saturday.
Speaker 5: The other one that I love too is when.
Speaker 2: Danny it's like revealed that he has like bruises on
his neck and then like when he's just like accusing
him of doing that to him and like he's been
either just possessed or.
Speaker 3: Going on.
Speaker 5: It's just like, I don't I don't understand what's happening
right now.
Speaker 1: He just on the ghost and yeah, because it's just
like I didn't know kid now, like and that thing
where he is innocent in this moment, but that kind
of works towards it, right because you think maybe there's
a chance, like if he was told regularly, maybe he
would activate the situation differently, but because he's already messed up,
he's like more messed up about it, so he doesn't.
It's almost like the abuse of a kid is so
low on his total pole because he's seen fucking ghosts
now and stuff, you know, but never shares with anybody,
keeps him.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, someone for to promote our twenty four hour stream,
someone one of us. I'd say, either Taylor or Travis
should do that face and then that hard cut to Saturday,
but then put like the date of our twenty four
hour stream.
Speaker 1: That'd be good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little easy little promo there, do that.
Speaker 1: I gotta get that that sweater too, at the turtle neck.
Lots of good sweaters in here. I can't I can't wait.
Next year, Me and Emily are doing Jack and Wendy
for Halloween, and the twins are gonna.
Speaker 4: Be I love Wendy's outfits in here. Oh yeah, like
the color palettes, and I mean she just has such
a striking look and mixed with the outfits, I think
is such a cool looking character.
Speaker 1: Which again to clarify, the girls are not twins. They
do say they're eight and ten. They just look like twins,
but a very common misconception they're not twins. But I'm
gonna make my twins do that, because you know, why.
Speaker 4: Not not more accurate?
Speaker 1: So yeah, eight ten, let's see. Oh and I guess
the only thing I had to check is at the
very beginning, the first time when she the speech of
like when you hear me type in and not typing,
the moment when she's walking in with a food or
like a tray of water, and it's like scary music,
but it stops with him ripping the paper, the typewriter.
The editing, like music cues in this are just so
good with little stuff. I just wanted to shout that.
I was like, I just always loved that. Then it
was quiet, and then it seems like Jack's fine, and
then of course he does not like her talking in
so yeah, trivia, I just said that. Yeah about that
was my first noting about Danny and how it was
heavily edited. So we talked about that. Let's see, for
the scene in which Jack breaks down the bathroom door,
the props's apartment built a door that could be easily broken. However,
Jack Nicholson had been working as a volunteer firefighter Marshall
and tore it up easily, so the prop department were
forced to build a stronger door. They went through like
dozens of doors on this I might have it somewhere else,
but oh, sixty doors is how much it went through.
So it's like, yeah, Jack and Shelly express their open
resentment against the reception of the film, feeling the critics
and audience credit standing Kubrick solely for the film's success
without considering the efforts of the actors. Screw strength in
sem King's one Materia, which I feel like I get
right because I think even us nowadays like it's like,
oh man, Noel and he can do no wrong. It's like,
I bet with Kubrick he kind of had that kind
of red. Let's see, Nikky. Both of them have been
on records and it's one of their hardest roles of
their career. In fact, nas devals performance to be one
of the most difficult he's ever seen. An actress take
on Deval said it was the hardest performance, which I
think I can understand. Uh, let's see. Yeah, Stanley Kubrick
know for his compulsiveness and numerous retakes, got the difficult
shot of the blood pointing through the elevators and only
three takes. This would be unremarkable if it weren't the
fact the shot took more times. Let's kick that the
shot took nine days to set up. Every time the
doors opened, the blood poured out. Huber would say, doesn't
look like blood. In the end, the shot approximately took
a year to get right. I didn't put this in
the trivia, but I should have. In the trailers, this
was all they didn't want the trays to be radar.
So what Kubrick told the MPa is that it was
rusted water that was coming through the elevator and not blood.
So that's how that shot gone the trailer.
Speaker 10: So uh, and he was pissed to yeah, yeah, but
I did three more times and then I guess they're like,
we got no more blood, Stanley.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The scene where Jack is chasing Danny through the Maze
took over a month to shoot shoot. Uh yeah. During
that month, several crew members got lost and uh walkie
talkies were given for assistance, which again, this always makes
me feel better. And it's crazy when we talk about
movies that are really bad, we're like, oh, man, the script,
but uh, there were so many changes of script during
the shooting that Jack nicholson't claim me stopped reading them.
He would only read new pages that were giving to
him each day. Nicholson said, eventually, when he was presented
revised scene, he would just throw in the garbage waiting
for the next revision. So that always makes me feel
good too that you think about this, You think all
the stuff that's planned out, but like he's getting multiple
scripts a day and he's like, I'm not gonna read
this until we're closer, and that's what it's like. Okay,
But again, it's so funny we talk about like a
bad movie when we were like, oh they had script issues,
no wonder why it was better, even like when we
talk Avengers Doomsday right where it's like, oh, apparently there's
no script in their shooting, where again, like the Shining
even iron Man jeffries, that's what Foggy tells them all.
You know, Kubrick struct the shining for the scenes where
jackets her typing. When the typing is off screen, Stanley recorded,
the sound of a type is actually typing the word.
It's all work and no play makes jacket dull boy.
Uh So there you go. It's actually that being typed out,
which again just little stuff where you don't even have
to do that, but you're like, man, just just great
stuff going on there. Let's see. Okay, I already mentioned
that about dany Lloyd. Uh. Let's see Stanley Kubrick Ridgey
wanted the actress Slim Pickens. Remember this, we talked about this,
and when did we talk about this? When did he
come right in Blade?
Speaker 5: Wasn't it wasn't the rapper Slim Pickens.
Speaker 3: No, that's you know, that Blazing Saddles discussion.
Speaker 1: But what we were reviewing with Slim Slim Pickins wasn't something. No,
the other play. That's who is that rapper named Sticky Fingers?
That's the place. Yeah, but who what we're reviewing. But
that's why I put in the It just happened.
Speaker 4: There's a Patreon was it request? Right?
Speaker 3: Was it tron related? That's the only thing I was.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Stanley Kubricker, because we talked about him. Me
and Doctor Strange Love originally want Slim Pickens to play
Dick holler In, but Pickens want nothing to do with
cub after experience of Doctor Strange Love. So that could
have been. We could have been talking about Slim Pickens
again here, but uh, you know, Slim Pickens for the
roles we got. But if you want that retro next year,
put it in the poll. Uh, let's see. Angelica Houston
live with Jack Nicklson during the shooting and said that
Jack Nicholson often return from day shooting, walked straight to
the bed, collapse in the bed, and would immediately fall asleep.
So I guess he You know, it sounds like it
was a tiring time. Yeah, let's see. We makes Jack
a sleepy boy.
Speaker 4: A lot of scenes if he was sleeping too, so
he'd be sleeping all day and then he'd come back
through as an actor.
Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm just editing because there's some stuff I
already talked about here. This film was only supposed to
take seventeen weeks, but then only took fifty one weeks
because this ran so along Reds and Raiders of the
Lost Arc were delayed. They were supposed to be shooting
on the same studio lot. So imagine, I don't know
what the Let me quickly look at what the profit
was of the Shining because imagine, I wonder if Warner
Brothers was just fucking losing their mind, because like money
had to just be going up because you're thinking like, oh,
like seventeen weeks, sure, Stanley and then like fifty one
host full year, so it's tough. Nineteen eighty budget was
nineteen million, box office of forty eight million. But obviously
with you know what am I thinking of here? Changing
money times? What is that lation?
Speaker 4: Many times?
Speaker 3: Thank you inflation?
Speaker 1: I'm sure nowadays that's a lot more. But I wonder
one of those ever has been like I wonder, like
what week do you think they started to worry? Like
he says it's gonna be seventeen weeks, and like, what
do you think was the.
Speaker 5: Not even at the seventeen yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably close to because like all you guys are
rounding up right like no, we're still trying to get
the elevator thing, because they said the elevator things took
a year to get and it shot for fifty so
that means like there's that's a pre production two in
the post. So it's just like just crazy, let's see,
I put this to me was a good one. During
the crooling, the grueling shoot of this movie, the Wimbland
tennis tournament was a Jack Nicholon is an avid tennis fan,
so he had to find a way to take time
out to attend. So he pretended to have a back
three and asked for a few days off because of
his star status. Uh Sandy Kubert grant. Unfortunately for Jack Nicholson.
Later on the production said they showed him in the crowd.
Kubert furious about the whole incident. So just.
Speaker 5: The original Cold Play concert.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. And he got Kubrick, you know, work on
his blood Elevator week forty nine. He looks at the
TV just SE's, oh, here's Jack Nicholson here at Wimbledon,
but just so funny, like oh yeah, my back, and
he just looks up and oh man, they are going
out of their way to fuck me. That's how he
said a Warner Brother. It's like, I don't know, I'm
trying to shoot but he went to Wimbledon, and then
finally there's three other actors considered for the role Jack
Torrance Stanley Kubrick considered Robert Narrow and Robin Williams. Kubrick
did not think to Narrow cool? Which would you like better?
Before you get the fact? What you get, I'll give
you the third one. I'll give you the third ones
well before we get more. Actually there's more no history
of this one. But Harrison Ford was the other one
as well. So those were the three before, so Dilani
and the wrong Williams Williams. Okay, what about you, Kirkle,
If you have to recast this, who you going to Narrow,
Ford or Williams?
Speaker 2: I think I would have to go Williams. He just
seems the most expressive out of all of them.
Speaker 3: Okay, Taylor, I go Williams.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I've seen him in anything that
wasn't a little bit of comedy or just very what
him and.
Speaker 1: Did the know on retro or did you not on
that one? Have you never seen one of our photo?
You see one of our photo.
Speaker 6: I've just seen him in like comedic roles and like
very drama oriented, like serious roles.
Speaker 7: But nothing like like horror, like killer.
Speaker 6: Oh, anything like that. So that would be a whole
new vibe for me to to see.
Speaker 1: Watch one on our photo. I think you'll like it.
I don't even say more of it, but he's really
creepy in that. For me, it's Ford. I just think
he's the closest to Jack. I think the way that
he puts it. Cubrick says that he didn't go to
Narrow because he thought he wouldn't be psychotic enough, and
then he didn't go with Williams he thought Williams would
be too psychotic, which I could also see where I
think there's a point where that you could worry that
could turn not comedic, but you would worry because Ron
Wins was always known for like improv and I could
just see that not going right with those two, especially
with the script and everything. But with Ford, I think
those docile tones and I think he he comes off
like Denaro. I don't think definitely could have not done
it Ford. I think I could have saw that dickish
dad where like hates his wife, hates his kid. You know,
we're Willians. I don't know if I have that, but
all would have been obviously.
Speaker 4: Very different, a little bit too cool.
Speaker 1: That could be it. Yeah, it could be too cool.
Speaker 4: Yecause I think it big part of is that Jack
just feels like a loser throughout this. Yeah, that adds
to it, I think, And I.
Speaker 1: Think Dannaro has that too, Like Dannaro doesn't give like
loser vibes, you know, he like I think he'd almost yeah,
a little bit. Yeah. I think with like Denaro, it's
almost like he'd be like a hard dad, like right away,
like I don't know, I just wonder like in that scene.
Don't get me wrong, Daniels on the great all the time,
but in the scene where he's accepting the job, like
I like, how like kind of like like foolish like
Jack Nicholson feels like. I don't know if Dannara would
have that vibe, were Williams would do that vibe? And
Ford I think he'd played that different. I think he
played almost like you said, cooler, but his voice I
feel like I could hear that type of that Hayden
Square at the scene where he's yelling about the typing,
I can see Ford doing that like you're distracting me
and stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm imagining Williams like agent being like, sorry, buddy,
you didn't get the job because he thought you'd be
too psychotic, Like just imagine feedback and how would you
feel about that?
Speaker 1: Which is funny because they said this and they had
quick aside that they've been tied together a couple times,
because that's why too. When this movie came out, and
then obviously eight years later they started to cast the
Batman and when it came out that Jack Nicholson play
Joke or everyone's like, oh, he's perfect, And I could
definitely argue that he's not even as crazy and Batman
as he's in this, Like I wish they actually would
have leaned on that a little bit more. By that time,
Jack Nicholson was offered the role of the Joker. He
turned it down because of the money, and they went
to Rob Williams to play the Joker. But what came
out and warned by Rob Williams found out through some
people that that was a fake offer. They offered him
the role Joker just to make Jack jump and then
Ron Williams back to Insomnia. I did not work with
Warner Brothers till two thousand and two, and saw me
because he said he'd never work with them ever again.
After he kind of they used him as like a scapegoat, like, oh,
we're gonna go with Robin then, and then Jack Buckle like, Okay,
I'll do it. And that's why in Batman Forever, Rob
Williams was the first choice of the Riddler and he said, no,
I'm not gonna do it because you guys fucked me over.
Then they went to Jim Carrey. So it's kind of
funny that they had like tied with a couple other
Warner Brothers projects. And yeah, for Robbie almost didn't work
for the company for two decades because he just hated
what they did to him on Batman, just because he
thought it was a serious offer, and I guess it
never was. It was just a coax Jack out of there.
And Jack apparently made a lot of money off The
Batman because he got back end points and back then
that was a big deal. And he's like, I think
he I can't remember. I think it's like some people said,
it's near like the billion like he's made a lot
of money off of that movie back in the day.
So but done ranting, I have nothing more to say.
Speak a most many times. It's one hundred out of
ten for me, I can't give this any more higher score.
Speaker 4: So, mister Muss, this's probably the highest rating anyone's ever
given anything first history. That's crazy down, I'll go eight.
I'll go eight. I feel like, I mean, you guys
brought up a lot of great points, and obviously you've
all seen this movie a lot more than me and
have a lot more little details interpretations that are really
interested to here. So I loved hearing all that stuff,
so definitely brought up mind driven overall. Yeah, probably when
I've seen it five or six times, maybe I'll be
matching that level of love for it too. But there
is a lot of great stuff here, some things I
didn't love, but overall still really solid. So yeah, big
old juicy eight out of.
Speaker 1: Him juicy eight, mister Patzer.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I'm gonna heat us right back up to
uh just an even ten out of ten for this one.
Not white up to the Mount Olympus level that Travis
is at, but uh no, I think it's fantastic. I
think this also like subconsciously just planted some seeds of
like my love for the slow burn of horror films,
because like when I'm watching this, I'm like, this is
my favorite type of just just horror and enjoyment of
just there's no know, real jump scares. Like there's some
quick cuts, but like it's not like it's just they're
leaning on that and it's just the slow burn of
just getting crazy. It's just there's something to that that
I'll always appreciate it. And I think a lot of
it goes back to this original one that I've seen.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait a week and make like a
two and a half hour slow burner. You know, we
tried our best second one, but that's not a that's
not two and a half.
Speaker 10: Hour, So.
Speaker 5: A lot of long monologue and I'm sure to get.
Speaker 1: To those there is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna join you up there, Travis.
Speaker 6: I'll give it one hundred out of ten and sit
up there with you on that couch because crazy. It's
just it's a good movie. It's a really really good movie.
I like, I said, watch it every year. I already
want to watch it again this year. I want to
watch Doctor Sleep. I want to just get into it.
It's just it's got so many things that are really
really great. I'm not gonna make my kid watch it
when I watched it as young as I was watching it,
you know, and they're a little bit older and can
just kind of.
Speaker 4: Easy into it. It's like Danny was Danny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can show show Danny version.
Speaker 1: Find that online. Find where there's a Danny version, Show
that good movie, right, Like have that even end for him?
You know, like I just I would love to see
that kind of like what was the ending of that
when we just him his dad run? Like this movie
kind of sucks, Like you can't show Jack with the acts.
He has the axe the entire time in the may
so who knows, But there you go, lads. Joan, that
is your Halloween retrospective for twenty twenty five. Will be
back next October for some war spooks and scares and
who knows what will be time about then, but I
promise you it'll lot be boring.