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Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may have,

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the improbable.

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Speaker 2: Must be true.

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Speaker 3: Then it is not a question of the libero cultism

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all a touch of mysticism is today it is Empires

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as a host of them souls.

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Speaker 4: Telophaps, my father, spirit dude for a certain termed or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the old gods unt dead? And what is the

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true God? When he's dead? He can't complain.

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Speaker 5: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause

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to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,

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Speaker 2: Like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy wymy stuff.

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You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, this is Irene Adam Blue, the host of

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the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show to the

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Paranormal UK Radio Network, and say there's amount of breath

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now I'm here with Mark Johnson.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you got my name right. I'm actually rather impressed.

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Speaker 1: No, there's not even a homer or anything in that sentence.

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That's why it totally wipes me out.

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Speaker 5: Well, you can put one there. We can always rewrite

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have a Hi, this is Iron Alan Block,

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the host of the Paranormal your radio show period like

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Speaker 5: See yeah, I think that would work. Allow you to

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catch your breath.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so what come on then?

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Speaker 6: Or give me it?

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Speaker 1: Tell the news, tell my news.

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Speaker 5: So the news. Well we've it's been out now for

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a couple of months, but your Iren's new book, Walking

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with the Dead, is now available in softcover, kindle and

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hardcover formats, and it's available at Amazon dot com or

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other retail outlets online.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's got a very pretty cover, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I know I sleep.

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what about this other book, my story book that's coming

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There's a combination of small, r short spooky stories. It's

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right for the winter's nights coming when they.

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Speaker 5: Mean yep, okay, you like it, you're busy bee.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, no, not to mention.

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Speaker 5: The other book we're currently right.

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Speaker 1: Which is about coming out now as well, you hope,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go on, we'll work on it.

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Speaker 1: And what's that called we.

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Speaker 5: Haven't we haven't nailed down a title yet.

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Speaker 1: No, we haven't, but it's going to be a brilliant book,

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Absolutely brilliant book because we have worked hard on that book. Yes,

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it's covering a lot of a lot of time, a

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lot of our experiences, a lot of things that we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a very difficult book to write though.

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should be easy enough to read. But the way we're

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then all right, now you can get on with it.

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well as performing around the globe. And his newest book

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Speaker 1: Do you know my ears picked up when Mark said folklore,

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strange creatures and strange lights, they've always been there's always

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the strange, the supernatural. It's still all around us. But

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especially because, let's face it, fear cells and they sell

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find it really interesting that it's like the nearer that

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situation we're now in. I mean, every other week you

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of science. It doesn't work the way we thought. And

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that have just been dismissed for so long and say,

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explanations because I think we're getting there. But there's this

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from our current society, and so they actively shut down

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the twentieth century when they started finding all the giant skeletons. Yes, yes,

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who've investigated that, you realize, my god, there's so much

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evidence for giants. But yeah, for some reason, it doesn't

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you remember that? And there was there was a lady

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kind of psychic intuition which led her to this exact

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so she's got her own back. But you know, they

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would they have said that about the scientist she was

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awful lot of notice about it. I know it was

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in the papers, but all I got was that they

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discovered the body of King Richard in a car parking

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talk of psychic intuition and all of that, I that

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this out throughout the book of how things get edited

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accepted paradigm. And yeah, here we are in the world

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of social media right now, right, we can see there's

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a huge world out there that does believe in the paranormal.

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American population anyway, do believe in the paranormal, but that's

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not reflected in the mainstream. You would think it was

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only a handful of people if you went by the mainstream.

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Speaker 1: And everybody has something paranormal happened to at some point

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in their life that can't be explained and science can't

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explain it. So you've got to believe that there's got

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to be something there.

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and there's a pattern they constantly repeat. It doesn't matter

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where you go in the world. People come up to

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there because they're interested in the paranormal. But then, you know,

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one month they get me, but then they open up

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and then you realize, right, well, there's all these people

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who are having such similar experiences and it's not reflected

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in the mainstream. So that's really what trying to do

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is to put all that together, is to share some

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of these stories and say, look, this is happening. There's

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got to be an explanation beyond the mundane dismissal that

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we get from the world of skepticism. And I've got

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on board three people who have helped me what I

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call the moderators, who are one that is basically a

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space scientist, the other as a physicist, and the other

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as an IT expert. But they are also open to

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this kind of stuff, and they've come in and actually said, right,

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how could this happen? Not how could this not happen?

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to do, is say, right, there's got to be good

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explanations for this that aren't skeptical ones. What could they be?

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people see, look, there really is something here really worth

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're talking about I forgot what you said. What

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are the actual words you said? But it made me think,

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where do you actually get your research for this book?

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Did people come willingly forward to tell you their stories?

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you know, as I said a talk, you suddenly find

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people have been sitting on these stories for years. They

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bought them up because they bottle them up, because the

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family and friends around them tend to make fun of

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them if they try to talk about it, and they

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then go into the fear of sharing it and then don't.

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standing up there making a fool of myself, well why

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shouldn't they share it? And they do, and then that

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is a real I think it's a release for them,

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and it's a revelation to me. And you know, I've

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been studying this for years. I began in the world

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of things like crop circles and UFOs, and I had

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myself had so many experiences, and I have of course

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done the whole shebang ghost hunting, been involved with psychics

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and channelists, trying to find out right what the hell

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is going on with all of this, And I have got,

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i believe, a very broad understanding of it, and I've

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learned not just to dismiss people. Okay maybe sometimes yes

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there will be mundane explanations, but sometimes that's very hard,

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especially when, just as one example, you get so many

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ghost sightings where two or more people all witness the

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same thing, and yet in the next breath a scientist

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will say, well, they had a hallucination. How does that

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work when everybody's having the same hallucinating? You know what

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I mean? So it's things like this have led me

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to be really open minded my own experiences and just that. Yeah,

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and it is thousands of people that I've met that

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are just saying, very sincerely, this happened to me. I

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can't explain it, but by god, I really need to

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tell someone. And so now many of their stories and

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are recorded in this book, and people email me as well,

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of course, and you know, they know where I am

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and they send me incredible stories, and I thought, right,

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you know what, it's time to chain these together and

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see what the bigger picture is when you actually shine

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a light on them properly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one thing that rankles me whenever I hear

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that mass illusion explanation, when more than one person witnesses

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a phenomenon at the same time and they still blow

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it off. Or that person they're not a scientist, so

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they're not a reliable witness. What about the police officers

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or military personnel, people who are very you know, they're

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well trained at observation, and yet it still doesn't make

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much of a scratch out in the normal world.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the extraordinary thing, because many of these people

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are people in the professions I have lost track now

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of how many, for instance, pilots, soldiers, sailors, police that

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have seen UFOs in the absolute classic sense that cannot

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just be explained by the usual list of silly things

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like venus or the moon or you know, they clearly

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know what is what and they are having these experiences.

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It's very often very well educated, very sensible people who

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are seeing these things. And just to keep saying, oh,

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they had an hallucination, like that explains anything. A tall

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isn't good enough, especially when yeah, you get a collective sighting.

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one of the things that I pointed out in the book.

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And by the way, I should tell you the subtitle

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of the book Strange is deliberately in a way to

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have a go at those that deny paranormal realities in

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the everyday world. And there is a reality to this. Yes,

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you can argue about the causes, but they cannot all

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just be These are limp causes that people put forward.

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And the thing is this, it really means something to

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the people who are having them, but they've not been

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given a voice. Yes, social media does give them a

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voice now, but the mainstream still it seems like it's

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wanting to still be the gatekeeper mainstream science, mainstream media.

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But you know, when you look at that sixty seven

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percent poll result, they're not speaking for the majority anymore.

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So when is this going to change? When are we

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going to get a media that actually begins to reflect

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the reality of what people believe? And maybe we're on

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the way to that, which is why, of course the

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mainstream media hates it, and they're constantly trying to put

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down alternative so called media because.

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Speaker 5: They're threatened because they're going to be out of a job.

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But people don't trust them anymore, and that's a big problem.

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But the other problem with social media is you can

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post things online tell your truth, even if you have

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evidence to share, and yet you're still going to have

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the professional debunkers coming in and trash talking and dismissing

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and ridiculing, and you know, people dogpiling on other people

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just to shut them up. And some of these people

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wouldn't surprise me if they're paid actors.

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it's just a good example of that. And there's a

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whole chapter about this in the book is you know,

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the whistleblow as we've had in the last few years

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about UFO, stroke up whatever we call them. These are

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really high level, sensible people. They're not going to make

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this stuff up for a laugh. That they're you know,

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threatening their own livelihoods and their careers by doing it,

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but they feel they can no longer be silent. So

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these are really credible people. But even now we're getting,

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you know, the skeptics who I think you almost certainly

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must be paid to do this, saying oh no, it

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was only blooms. I mean, if anybody's seen the famous

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tic Tac video where this tic Tac shape UFO is

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speeding at incredible velocities. Yes, there are still people that

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say they're birds or balloons. And then you have to say, okay,

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that's just ridiculous because those kinds of explanations are far

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more tenuous, far more tangled and ridiculous than saying that

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the paranormal exists. And when you just say that, suddenly

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things will fall into place. But they would rather jump

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through these crazy hoops of all the things that are

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obviously isn't rather than consider, well, maybe I've misunderstood the universe,

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but of course that isn't what they want to do.

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in higher things and multi dimensional reality, they do keep

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us in our places. And it's almost like somebody out

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there wants to keep it for themselves. That sounds a

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bit conspiratorial, of course, but I've written about that many

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times over the years, and yeah, I think there are

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agendas where they don't want us to know that there

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are these other layers of reality because for whatever reason

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they want to keep it more to themselves.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a combination of power wanting to

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stay in power and control of people. We can't have

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them being freethinkers or learning new things about our reality

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that contradicts everything we've ever been taught. No, we want

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them to all to stay good little consumers, you know,

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go out and buy the latest thing by your electronic toys,

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keep glued to the internet, you know, dumbing of society.

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keeps us in perpetual state of ignorance from what it does.

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Speaker 2: It does. I mean, in my previous book, which some

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listeners might be interested in, called The New Heretics, I

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look at, you know, the fact that anybody that believes

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in anything unusual is now brand is some kind of

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heretic in the modern world. But when you look at

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the way that people that do believe in the paranormal

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or you know, anything unusual, in the way they are treated,

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the terminology that gets used in the mainstream for them,

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it's disgraceful. You know. They openly journalists call them crackpots,

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you know, or crazies or nutcases. I mean, and you

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think you would not talk about anybody else like that.

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I mean, for instance, they wouldn't describe somebody who's very

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religious in those terms. And yet, as we know, a

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lot of religions touch very much into the supernatural. But

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it's we seem to be fair as long as there's

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no religion, right, they can treat you in the lowest

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form they want to, and they get away with it.

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And I think that's wrong, and I think it's time

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that they should be held to account for the kind

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of language they use to squash all of this down.

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But it's not working.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you see them, and do you see them on

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the news broadcast? Don't you? They give that snig a factor?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly, yeah. Yeah. In the end, finally, sloted

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and now let's have a little chuck about all these

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silly people. They're believe in silly things, but they're losing.

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They're not working. Otherwise you wouldn't have sixty seven percent

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of people believing in the Baronrmal. So that's the thing.

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They think they're winning, but actually they're not. And it's

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the same with conspiracy thinking. You know, they by condemning it.

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I'm not saying every conspiracy is true, but by constantly

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condemning it and not actually looking at it properly, all

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they do is increase belief in it. So it's weird

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they keep going in the same direction of denial, even

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though it obviously doesn't work. But there you go. That's

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their own desperation, as Mark, as you just said.

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Speaker 5: Well, and part of that whole system is not just

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ridicule ridicule, but actual threats. I mean, I personally know

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people who have been threatened, getting threatening phone calls telling

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them to shut up or else. One good friend of

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ours who used to he used to be in the

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US Coast Guard, and he told the story about his

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father seeing something and kind of being involved in something

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that was very hush hush and wild and he went

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on coast to coast and did an interview on it,

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and then he got phone calls telling him to shut up,

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and then suddenly all of his Coast Guard records disappeared.

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He had to dig things up to prove he was

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still in the Coastguard and entitled the Benefits. And you know,

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so they use a lot of intimidation tactics too to

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shut people up.

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Speaker 2: Oh they do. And I mean that's been going on

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for a long time. I mean, if you look at

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something like Roswell, for which you know, I know some

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people still say it was a bloon, it's just just

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madness when you look at the real eledence. You know,

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you've got around six hundred either witnesses or relatives of

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witnesses that are on record now, and people like Don Schmidt,

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very good researcher. You know, he's pointed out just how

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many families at the time or relatives were threatened. You know,

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people were told if you ever speak publicly about what's

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happened here, you will be killed, your family will be killed.

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satisfying because it shows you how desperate they were to

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cover something up that obviously was far more than a balloon,

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but equally, yeah, it tells you the ruthlessness that you're

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dealing with, So yeah, that does occur. But then what

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they do for those that aren't quite so dangerous, but

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they still want to keep it, you know, out of

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the public view, is to constantly pour scorn and ridicule

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and doubt. Even with you know, the key UFO whistle blower,

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David Grush. Suddenly they start to call into account their

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mental health and you know, this guy was a top

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military intelligence officer, but suddenly no, well yes, we always

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had doubts about it. But it's so clever. They see

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these ideas, oh yes, well maybe they're not mentally reliable,

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even though they were happy to employ them as one

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of their top men or women for years, you know,

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but it kind of works, and it kind of doesn't

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work for the reasons that I've just given. And in

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the end, I think that's going to fall apart as

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it just becomes clearer and clearer, especially in the world

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00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:43,759
of UFO disclosure, that they can't keep this under wraps forever,

474
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,240
and then they're going to have to start apologizing to

475
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:47,279
quite a lot of people.

476
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 1: Can you see them saying sorry.

477
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,599
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but if it comes out to such a

478
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,039
degree that they actually can't hold it down, what are

479
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:00,400
they going to do? Yeah, I expect they'll just carry

480
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000
on and saying, oh, well, yes, we knew all along, really.

481
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: And thought it might be that way.

482
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,319
Speaker 2: But we can prove that that's not the case, can't we.

483
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,240
So we know what they really said at the time. Yeah,

484
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,160
there were Listen, if it's something, you know, big revelation

485
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240
to do with anything paranormal, whether it be UFOs or

486
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,160
proof scientific proof that ghosts do exist, after all, there's

487
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,119
going to be a smug factor where those of us

488
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480
that have been home to this for many years but go, well,

489
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,519
there we go. We told you so. But it won't

490
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,079
last long because, of course, the unveiling of that will

491
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,960
change people's view of the whole universe around them. But

492
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,960
you can't help feeling that we're on the way to

493
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,240
that anyway. All the old certainties in every level political

494
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,559
or social or understanding of science, it's all been turned

495
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,319
upside down at the moment, and people feel that so

496
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,200
maybe this is a very good time now to start

497
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,680
putting you know, like your own books out there and

498
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,079
this book trying to say, right, well, shall we look

499
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,200
at this properly now, because these are the times where

500
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,680
I think we can begin to reevaluate and people are

501
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,480
now open minded to looking again at things like the paranormal.

502
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,319
I mean, one of the things that really strikes me

503
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,599
is like looking at psychic phenomena, out of body experiences, telepathy.

504
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,599
You know, this is going on all the time, and

505
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,839
yet we live in a world where you're meant to

506
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,119
feel ashamed if you mention it, or you know, people

507
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,680
look down at their feet, and this is part of

508
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,200
the conditioning and similar I'm in the book. I talk

509
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,559
a lot about ghosts and people that have had full

510
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,400
conversations with lost relatives, and you know, there's so many

511
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,839
incredible stories that I just don't believe our imagination. And

512
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,640
yet you'll read I quote one of them in a

513
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,319
book in a medical journal saying, oh, where isn't it

514
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,400
sad that these people have to comfort themselves in this

515
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,119
way and we should feel sorry for them instead of saying, well,

516
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,200
what if it actually happened? And That's what I'm trying

517
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,319
to do, is say, well, okay, believe what you want,

518
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,799
But what if it did actually happen in the way

519
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,319
that these people have related, Well, what could explain that?

520
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,200
And then what are the implications for multi dimensional reality

521
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,359
for a whole understanding of physics and the way the

522
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,680
universe works? Shall we look at that? And that's what

523
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
I'm doing in the book, and then you know, by

524
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:19,359
the time you get to the end of it, you

525
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,440
come out with completely new understanding what's going on around us.

526
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,039
So it's time, I think to start joining the dots

527
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,400
and putting the pieces together, because I think people are

528
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,680
now open to that and or certainly becoming more open

529
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,119
to it.

530
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds really good, done it, Mark, Yes.

531
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a good book this Yeah, Well, I'd

532
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,240
like to talk about some of the subjects that you

533
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240
covered in the book and the fact that you had

534
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
like a panel put together to help you look at it.

535
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:55,119
Speaker 5: From all sides. But uh, you mentioned folklore in the beginning.

536
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:59,359
What types of folklore were you looking at in specific?

537
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: So I mean what I found is that the work

538
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,160
that I've been doing over the years looking into the paranormal. Yeah,

539
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,599
you start to look back through history and you discover

540
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,680
things like what I mentioned earlier pictures of the devil

541
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,960
making crop circles. Then you realize there's about three hundred

542
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:20,960
historical accounts of crop circles, and it's folklore, and some

543
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,279
of the stories associated with them, of course, get mixed

544
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,200
in with fairies and goblins, which some think, by the way,

545
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,200
are are simply is another word for e t's or

546
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,480
maybe they're one and the same thing, but coming from

547
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,799
some unusual realm, and you think, we'll hang on, there's

548
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,200
threats here, and you know, again, we tend to go, oh,

549
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,559
weren't the old people funny? They had all their little

550
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,880
funny beliefs and they believed in fairies and goblins, and

551
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,799
you go, yeah, but hang on a minute, something like

552
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,720
some skim walker runch right, and you look at the

553
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,559
creatures people are claiming they're seeing in that area, and

554
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,839
you think, well, hang on a minute, what's the difference.

555
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,960
There is no difference. That's a modern folklore. It's always

556
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,519
been going on around. So you know, that's one thing

557
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,079
that led me into that. However, I'm also very interested

558
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:09,079
in mainstream history, and I grew up in a town

559
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,559
in East Sussex, which is in the southeast of England.

560
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,759
Speaker 1: Did you worry about Lewis. I was, I'm from Ambley

561
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:18,640
in West Sussex.

562
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,599
Speaker 2: No, there we go. Yeah, but that's not so far

563
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680
from here, you know. I know a well Lewis of course.

564
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,759
And by the way, it's l e. W Ees is

565
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680
famous for having the biggest Bonfineite celebrations in the world,

566
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,599
so the whole guy Hawk's thing. They have these massive

567
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,119
torch lip processions and these huge firework effigies and it's

568
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480
just phenomenal. And I grew up with that from a

569
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,880
very early age, thinking this just seemed normal. I thought

570
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,359
every town did this, and then growing up and realizing

571
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,359
that actually each area has its own kind of festivities

572
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,559
and folklore and processions, and I got interested in it,

573
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,839
and we wound up writing books about the history of

574
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,359
Lewis and the Bonfineite celebrations, and then from that moved

575
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,599
on to getting interested in other festivals, not least Christmas.

576
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960
And I'm well known for a book called Christmas, A

577
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:12,319
History from Solstice to Center, which I haven't little's out

578
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,039
there somewhere because that, I mean, the history of the

579
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,200
festival itself is just phenomenal, and the comings and goings

580
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,559
and the different variations of the way that people around

581
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,920
the world have, you know, celebrated Christmas over the years

582
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,559
is amazing. And then all the countries that banned it,

583
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,160
not least England that we banned Christmas back in the

584
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,119
sixteen hundreds in the Cromwellian Times Oliver Cromwell, because it was.

585
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: Seen it was something I didn't know.

586
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. See Christmas was banned for roughly

587
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,359
about twelve years here and the Pilgrim Fathers in America

588
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,920
when they arrived, they refused to celebrate Christmas the first

589
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Christmas they were there because they had that same mindset.

590
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,759
They saw it for complex reasons as the heresy, and

591
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,720
it's really fascinating you look back at that, so, you know,

592
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,079
talks about not only the paranormal and conspiracies and that,

593
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,599
but also the history of the festivals like Bonfinite and Christmas,

594
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,640
because it is so fantastic when you realize just how

595
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,119
many ways of doing it there are and where it's

596
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,079
meant to different people. I mean, Christmas was radical, you

597
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,880
know when it was banned. You celebrated Christmas, you were

598
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,160
a radical and people forget that. People think it's some

599
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,599
kind of you know, opium for the masses. But Actually,

600
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,680
it's I think a necessity to have it, and it's

601
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,839
always had this revolutionary edge to celebrate in Christmas. And

602
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,960
you know there's other countries, North Korea being an obvious

603
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,799
one that has banned banned Christmas over the years. The

604
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,480
Soviet Union did and had to recreate it in a

605
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,759
new Soviet way. So it's interesting these things, you might

606
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,960
think a little harmless festivals often have actually rattled authorities.

607
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,559
And you know that immediately interests me because I get

608
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,079
bored with authorities trying to tell us what to do

609
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,720
all the time when they're not always right. So you know,

610
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:01,319
it all joined in the middle for me.

611
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: So is this what, sorry, Mark? Is this why the

612
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,800
Americans seem to think more or celebrate more Thanksgiving than

613
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,280
they do actually Christmas, although they do celebrate Christmas, but

614
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,840
not in such a way that we do over here.

615
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,599
I don't think.

616
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that there is truth to that we

617
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:26,000
say the Pilgrim Fathers, you know, obviously they were very influential.

618
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,840
Not everybody was of the same belief system, but yeah,

619
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,920
I think there was a strong feeling and especially when

620
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,239
you know the colonists arrived over there, not just from England,

621
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,800
but other European countries that they were setting up, you

622
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,840
know truly, you know, religious states. They wanted to be

623
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,360
in a place where they could live their religion. A

624
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,280
lot of them have been persecuted for varying reasons over here,

625
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,000
and they went down to the fundamentals, hence the name fundamentalists,

626
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,320
and they lived the truth that they lived. And one

627
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840
of the key things was if something wasn't in the by,

628
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,840
especially for the Puritans, then it was a heresy. And

629
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,239
of course no date is ever given in the Bible,

630
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,719
say for Christmas, so to celebrate that is a heresy

631
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,719
because it's not in the Bible. You only do that

632
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,760
which is in scripture. So yeah, I'm sure that that

633
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,320
is one of the reasons why. Yeah, it happens over there,

634
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,639
but it's not quite the big deal say that it

635
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
is here in England. But then every country has its

636
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,400
own variation of the way they celebrate.

637
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: It's like they celebrate more hog mainaue than what they

638
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,800
do Christmas Christmas as well, but hogmanaut means more to them.

639
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Well again though, but there's a reason for that, which

640
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,880
is that Christmas got banned even earlier in Scotland than

641
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,559
it did in it. It was banned in the fifteen

642
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,760
hundreds by the Calvinistic preacher John Knox, so he scrapped

643
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,559
Christmas even before Oliver Cromwell did down here. So yeah,

644
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,480
that's the thing. So what did they do. They reinvented it.

645
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,599
You take something away that people want, all they do

646
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,719
is recreate it in a new form. And that's the

647
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719
joke of the whole thing. People think, right, we've managed

648
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,599
to get rid of that. Well, all it does is

649
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,159
come back in a new guys and Hockmaney was a

650
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,639
classic example. It's right, fine, we'll just move it to

651
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,480
a New Year celebration then, and that's the way it goes.

652
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,000
But what I love about it is you can't keep

653
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,960
something down that people really want. And that's the saying,

654
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920
going back to the paranormal. With people that want to

655
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,800
explore this kind of stuff, you can have every scientist

656
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,679
in the world telling them why they're wrong and why

657
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,079
they're all mad, but in the end you say, yeah, right,

658
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,880
shut up, that's just boring. We've heard that. Now I

659
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,119
actually want to look at the real evidence. And so

660
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,960
people will only go the other way anyway. So suppression, yeah,

661
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,920
it works to a degree, but only for so long normally,

662
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960
and then something always breaks out.

663
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, Well, I was just going to ask, in

664
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,159
regards to let's say, the paranormal, is there any particular

665
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,960
cases that fascinate you.

666
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,039
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, where to start? I mean, the cases

667
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,320
have fascinate me are in the book, of course. So

668
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,480
I kind of begin the book with explaining a bit

669
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,480
about my own background and some of the things that

670
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,960
have happened to me. But I then start sort of

671
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,440
with the things that I think people are most familiar with.

672
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,639
And there's so many people that have had exchanges with

673
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,440
the apparent ghosts or the spirits of loved ones that

674
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,199
have passed away, and you could just say, well, they

675
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,000
wanted to see them, so they imagine they saw them. Well,

676
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,199
when you hear these accounts, that can't be the case.

677
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,519
And listen, I've lost people in my life that I

678
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,000
would love to have had conversations with, but they didn't

679
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,599
come and see me, and I wanted it to happen.

680
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,280
So all this, well, there you go. But you know,

681
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,679
and by the way, some people see relatives they don't

682
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,480
want to see. There's a couple of accounts in the

683
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,960
book where one lady in particular, kept hearing the voice

684
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,519
of her recently departed father to take that up as

685
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,000
an interesting comparison, and he started a spooker out by

686
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,800
talking to her shops and whatever. And in the end

687
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,960
she didn't want this and she said, well, you go away.

688
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,559
She had to tell them to shut up. And there's

689
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,199
a few cases like that where it's like the spirits

690
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,800
of relatives or even partners or you know, husbands, wives,

691
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,760
they hang around and then the person here they can't

692
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,679
get on with their lives like that, so in the

693
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,360
end they have to kind of tell them very vigorously, look,

694
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,159
I love you, but you got to get out of here.

695
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,199
You're not in this world anymore. I am so that

696
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,039
those are, you know, very interesting because again it goes

697
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,039
against this thing of oh, well, people want it to happen,

698
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,840
so they imagine it hands it's not like that, and

699
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,320
many of the things about the paranormal, it's not the

700
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,199
way that the skeptics spin it. And a lot of

701
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,000
these people have no interest in the paranormal. They never

702
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,679
knew it even existed until it happened to them. And

703
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,639
another good example of that, beyond ghosts and psychic phenomena,

704
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,880
is what it's related, of course, are out of body experiences.

705
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,119
I mean, my goodness, that is so common, you know.

706
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,719
And it's either during operations, whether they're under an anesthetic,

707
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,159
often even just sleep, where people suddenly fine, they hovering

708
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,119
above their bodies, they're up near the ceiling somewhere, and

709
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:11,320
they have a separate existence. And so many very credible

710
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,760
people have described as personally to me, and that's the

711
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,400
point of the book here. Yes, there are some famous

712
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,519
accounts that I will reference to give context, but these

713
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,800
are all new cases, and it's over and over the

714
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,400
same thing. A lot of the people will always say, well,

715
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,760
I was a complete skeptic until it happened to me,

716
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,559
and I just can't explain it. I just go, you know.

717
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,639
And it was when they say, oh, well, it's a

718
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:39,719
trick of the mind. Again, there's various times. It's it's

719
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:40,079
got to be.

720
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,079
Speaker 1: It's half the time when you have these experiences, you're

721
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,159
not even thinking about that, you know, the paranorls not

722
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:50,800
even cross your mind. You're thinking about where you can

723
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,440
put them for dinner or something like that.

724
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: You know, what's funny you say that, because there are

725
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:56,960
there's a lot of people that have had outer body

726
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,760
experiences which are relating in the book, who were not

727
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,400
actually doing anything out of the ordinary. They were eating

728
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,880
their sandwiches. There's a case even in the book of

729
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,639
one lady who was chatting away to an office colleague

730
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,320
when suddenly she realized she was watching herself from over

731
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,639
the other side of the room, and she had become

732
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,519
detached and her consciousness was watching her own waking selves,

733
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,159
still chatting away, and she was able to remember this

734
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,119
when she came back, and that again also happened. So

735
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,719
it can happen in completely normal, mundane circumstances. So this

736
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
is something we have a gift. We have the ability

737
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,280
to project our consciousness. And if you read the military

738
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,440
whistleblowers and people like Louis Elisondo who was saying, look,

739
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,000
remote viewing, which of course in a way is the

740
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,519
official practice of this is real. The US military is

741
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:53,000
using it, is trying to pay all around the world.

742
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,920
But I'm using them as an example because that's what

743
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:56,199
he has. The experience.

744
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: They're the one. They're the ones that, yeah, look they.

745
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 2: Have this ability, and obviously they're trying to use it

746
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,199
for dodgy espion arge purposes. But the fact that there

747
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,079
are people still trying to do this, It tells you

748
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:12,880
that it must work. I mean, I know the CIA

749
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,440
they dismissed the whole Stargate project thing years ago and said, oh,

750
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,639
we didn't find any evidence. Well, you're going to believe

751
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,960
that they knew it worked and it went underground. And

752
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,199
now people like Alixanda are making it clear, and you

753
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,199
know Joseph mon Eagle as well, that look, this is

754
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,800
something that works, and they know it works. They don't

755
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880
want you and I to know, because of course the

756
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,239
last thing they want is everybody trying to do this

757
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,559
and then getting in their way. So these are faculties

758
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,079
we have and they're being denied. But it's so I

759
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,679
think tenuous now to keep denying it when it's absolutely

760
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,360
obvious that this is going on and again on a

761
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,800
daily basis to somebody somewhere.

762
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:58,079
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you know about those dodgy remote viewers.

763
00:41:58,159 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: H Irene.

764
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,559
Speaker 1: I'll solt you later, mister. What I want to hear

765
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,960
is what I missed when I got up to go

766
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,199
to get a drink and you two were having a

767
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:19,599
casual conversation before the actual show. You were talking about drones.

768
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Oh yes, the drones.

769
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 6: No, you were talking about.

770
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: I missed all that conversation because I had to leave through.

771
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: Well for anybody listening has somehow missed this, and don't

772
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,320
feel bad if you have, because it's been again written

773
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,119
out of modern history now but so last year in

774
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,480
twenty twenty four, but it goes back before then. But

775
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,519
last year it finally broke into the news that there

776
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:46,000
were all these mystery drones they call them drones, which

777
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:50,599
is quite interesting, flying over various places, including New Jersey

778
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,639
a big spot where you are marked, but around the world,

779
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:59,000
especially over military bases and well known cities. These things

780
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,760
some of them are performing at acrobatics that no known

781
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,960
drones do, moving at speeds that no known drones do,

782
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,719
and some of them are the size of buses. So

783
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,559
this was going on to such a degree we're even

784
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,199
the mayor of New Jersey spoke out and said, look,

785
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,599
we need to find out what's going on here, and

786
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,280
they just kept saying, ah, yes, we can't explain them.

787
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,960
The US military even held you know, press conferences saying

788
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,800
we can't really explain this, but you know, we're looking

789
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
into it. They couldn't stop them either, which is really interesting.

790
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,599
Could you think by now wouldn't you. They'd shoot them down,

791
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,440
or they'd have some zappa where you could electro magnetically

792
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,519
bring the drones down, but it would appear that they couldn't.

793
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,039
And then with all this building up and up, suddenly

794
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,039
just earlier this year, they held a new press conference

795
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,079
and said, oh, no, we've looked into it and they're

796
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,760
just they're normal drones and some of our research drones.

797
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:54,559
And that's it, and now you can all go back

798
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,159
to sleep. So that's all it is. Goodbye, And honestly

799
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,639
that's where it's been left, even though the drone site

800
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,280
is are still going on around the well. And if

801
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,639
you change the word drone the UFO, you realize why

802
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,199
they're very keen to shut this up. Yes, some of

803
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,719
them almost certainly are normal drones, but when you read

804
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,800
the behavior others, you realize no way. And I was

805
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,719
saying to Mark earlier that you know one of the

806
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,280
other military or ex military whistleblowers, Jake Barber, who has

807
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,639
now come out and said he's been part of UFO

808
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,800
gresh retrieval programs. He says he himself and his team

809
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,239
that he works with have looked into the drones and

810
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,119
in their view yes, some of them are probably research drones,

811
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,360
but there are quite a few of them that have

812
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,800
got to be, in his view, some kind of off

813
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,679
world intelligence because the way they move, what they're doing, well,

814
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,400
there's no officially acknowledged drones that are out there doing it.

815
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,519
But the clever thing is the world's been convinced it's

816
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,639
finished now because of the press conference where they just

817
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,800
told you not to worry about it, and that goes

818
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,679
on a lot. Well it hasn't finished, it hasn't gone away.

819
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,039
It's still going on, but it's just been swept aside

820
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,079
from the mainstream agenda. And that's what happens again and again,

821
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,800
and we see that with UFOs in general. We saw

822
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,880
that with crop circles, just something I've researched a lot

823
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,519
over the years. People think it's not going on at

824
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:20,679
all now, Well it is. We've just said the first

825
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,760
crop circle of the year just a couple of weeks ago,

826
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,239
but most people think it ended twenty years ago because

827
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,760
the media has this kind of weird blanking of it,

828
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,800
or they only talk about them when they debunk them.

829
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,360
So this is going on, I'm afraid all the time.

830
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,159
But it doesn't mean the paranormal phenomena itself is not

831
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:38,639
going on.

832
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,119
Speaker 1: Oh tell them about those drums that when you were

833
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,960
driving along the road with Sherry.

834
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,599
Speaker 5: Well, that was I have to be I have to

835
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:59,559
clarify this falls under the category of UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon.

836
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,400
I can't call them drones because I don't think they

837
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,440
were drones in the mechanical sense. But this happened back

838
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,719
in January of twenty eighteen up here in northern New Jersey.

839
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,079
I looved a little bit farther north, up in the mountains,

840
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440
and it was dark already, and we were heading out

841
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,239
to go to a restaurant, and I saw on the

842
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,119
horizon there was these bunch of orange globes and they

843
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:33,199
were traveling in kind of a formation, but a very

844
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
loose formation. They were about twenty of them, and they

845
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:41,320
just stretched back in a loose line. Some were overtaking others,

846
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,719
but they were basically staying in a certain formation. And

847
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,440
they came from the south and they were heading towards

848
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,199
the north, and I was able to watch them for

849
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,639
a few minutes because I saw them coming. They got

850
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,960
right up I'm going to say about three to five

851
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,679
hundred feet away, maybe a couple hundred feet off the ground, silent,

852
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,880
and because I rolled down my window and I really

853
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,920
wanted to pull over and film, but I was stuck

854
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,159
in traffic and I couldn't do it. And they were

855
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,559
pure orange, no running lights, no FAA lighting, nothing, and

856
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,280
they moved silently about forty miles an hour, and they

857
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,000
traveled right past and continued on going straight north and

858
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,920
then they went out of view. Now, back at that time,

859
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,159
consumer drones really don't have that. Didn't have that much

860
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,280
battery life, maybe twenty minutes if you're lucky, and the

861
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,000
way these things were coming from such a long way

862
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,199
away and where they were heading, normal drones wouldn't have

863
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,039
had that battery life to do that. And they were

864
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,320
big too, I mean, the globes looked like the size

865
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:59,440
of soccer balls, and it was just truly weird and unexplained.

866
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,400
And then a couple years later, I was down in

867
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,280
South Jersey along the Jersey Shore and we were sitting

868
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,280
out one night looking at the surf. It was night,

869
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,880
and then I noticed coming up the beach the exact

870
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,159
same lights coming up in pairs about a mile away.

871
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,760
They'd come up the coastline right over the beach, and

872
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
they got to a spot about a quarter of a

873
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,639
mile away from me, and then the two would turn

874
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,159
and go over the ocean disappear in the cloud layer. Well,

875
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,400
right behind them were two more and that would do

876
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,679
the exact same maneuver, And there was about six or

877
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,440
seven pairs of these orange globe whatever. They were moving silently,

878
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,960
and they looked exactly like the ones I saw back

879
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,760
in twenty eighteen.

880
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a pretty amazing sighting and fits with so

881
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,159
many other things that people are seeing now. Of course,

882
00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:59,760
you know what they'll say to that. They'll say, ah, yes,

883
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,280
probably elon Musk Starlink satellites. You will know it isn't

884
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,159
because they don't. That's what they're saying. Anybody that sees

885
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,199
strings of lights now in the sky, you're always told

886
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,480
you're seeing Starlink satellites, which yeah, sure might explain the

887
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,920
odd sighting, but what you're describing there very different.

888
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 5: Sure when there are a couple hundred feet over my head,

889
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,719
Yeah sure.

890
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:24,559
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. No, I mean, well that's fascinating.

891
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,840
But also you mentioned something there that is another now

892
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
recurring feature going out over to the ocean, and of

893
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,599
course many people are seeing lights coming out of the

894
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:40,000
sea or going into the sea, and I recount examples

895
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,599
of this in the book. This is another thing that

896
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,920
now people are latching onto that Look, whether they're coming

897
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,000
from outer space or not, they're also existing under the sea.

898
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,079
And they're clearly, you know, these things are in some

899
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,960
way living under the sea or they come submerge themselves,

900
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,800
and it's making people think, well, maybe, like you know

901
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,679
the film The Abyss, which you imagines aliens living under

902
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:06,960
the sea, maybe that's actually true, because there does seem

903
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,039
to be a big connection with this, and many of

904
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:13,000
the bits of footage that have been released, especially by

905
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,440
the US Navy. You know, some of them show them

906
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,239
going into the sea or going into the sea and

907
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,800
straight out again in a way that we don't know

908
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,119
any object that could do that. So yeah, USOS, as

909
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,679
they call them, unidentify submerged objects. That is another big

910
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,400
thing that I think people are now beginning to realize.

911
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,360
It tells us that, look, there's more going on here

912
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,280
than just the standard nuts and bolts flying saucer from space. Also,

913
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,000
many people believe these things are effectively organic, and you know,

914
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:49,199
we talk about the plasmoid sightings. Some of these things

915
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,159
people are seeing are very amorphous. They can change the shape.

916
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,039
It's almost like they're not quite in this reality. Or

917
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,800
there's certainly not something just tacked together with nails. You know,

918
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,039
very clearly there of some nature or some substance that

919
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:08,039
can be fluid. You know. Again, that throws a whole

920
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,800
new light on what kind of technology or life is

921
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,599
out there. And I think we're probably seeing all of

922
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,800
these things and more, not just one thing above the other.

923
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:23,119
Speaker 5: There's a similar phenomenon that I've become very fascinated with,

924
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:29,880
and a lot of researchers, if they're out doing any

925
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,559
type of research out and let's say, in the woods

926
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:39,119
away from civilization, start encountering these lights in the woods

927
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,960
when there's no civilization around. And I've seen lots of

928
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:52,679
examples on video of these plasmoid like lights flying over

929
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,519
in between the trees. I had a buddy of mine

930
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:01,679
who is actually a bigfoot researcher in Ohio. In fact,

931
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,199
I'm gonna have to get him back on the program

932
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,639
because it's been a long time since we've talked to him,

933
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,679
because he had a big foot sighting years ago and

934
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,960
he's been looking ever since, and there were a couple

935
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,280
of times where he was out in the woods and

936
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,400
he would see these lights, or one time he's filming

937
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,199
himself talking and not realizing there's this big ball of

938
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,599
light weaving in and out of the trees behind him. Now,

939
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:26,440
the strangest story.

940
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 6: He told was he was in the woods.

941
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,199
Speaker 5: But walking along and all of a sudden, this ball

942
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,119
of light comes out of the woods, comes up and

943
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,480
hovers right in front of his face and stays there

944
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,199
for about thirty seconds, and he just stared at it,

945
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,840
and then he thought to grab his cell phone, and

946
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,960
once he grabbed his cell phone, boom, it was gone,

947
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,280
just linked out. And what was interesting about that was

948
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,599
he had my number. He immediately called me from the woods.

949
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,960
He had cell phone signal, just totally losing it, saying,

950
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,920
oh my god, you won't believe what just happened. And

951
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,360
one of the things that I just thought to ask him,

952
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,920
and I go, okay, you say it took about thirty seconds,

953
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,280
Go how are you feeling during that time? And he goes,

954
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,920
he didn't really think about it at verse, and he goes,

955
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:21,199
you know, it just felt peaceful. There is nothing, no threat,

956
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,400
know nothing from it. It was just when he reached

957
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,000
for his cell phone, then it winked out. Then he

958
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:32,119
got scared and freaked out and he called me so yeah,

959
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:33,400
interesting phenomenon.

960
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,119
Speaker 2: It's very balls of light are seen in many circumstances,

961
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,000
including in people's houses, and some people have associated them

962
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:45,159
with spirits, not just something perhaps extraterrestrial. And in the

963
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:48,519
Strange Book, I mean, I recount how I was present

964
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,440
back in nineteen ninety three when I was with two

965
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,920
other researchers overlooking crop fields doing a night watch, and

966
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,480
we watched three glowing green spheres appear over the and

967
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,280
then suddenly fly off. And there was another occasion where

968
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,719
I also saw one of these balls of light. And

969
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,119
one of the things that's been noted over and over

970
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,719
is that, as you suggest from the story there, people

971
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,239
can interact with them. They're either drawn to people or

972
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,920
people are generating them in some way, that there is

973
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,360
a psychic connection. And there's a number of UFO researchers,

974
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,719
I mean Chris Bledsoe, it is a well known one

975
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,760
that claim they can call these things to them. You

976
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,639
know that there is this psychic bond or psionic as

977
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:35,679
they call it. And that's something again which has now

978
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,840
been talked about a lot more in the world of

979
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,719
UFO research. Because it's funny because when I was writing

980
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,840
The Strange Book, when it came to the UFO subject,

981
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,119
I realized, on one level, at first sight, it looks

982
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,199
like this is very different talking about ghosts and psychic

983
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,239
phenomena that precedes that. But then, of course the more

984
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,199
you look at it, you realize it isn't different. There

985
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:59,360
are connections here. You've got the psychic link, You've got

986
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,920
this motion that look, there are other realms where other

987
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,000
existences seem to be, and beings come and go from them,

988
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,079
and you can call them spirits, you can call them ghosts,

989
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:13,440
and you can call them aliens. And maybe sometimes they

990
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,559
are separate, but other times there's a crossover here. It

991
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:18,960
isn't just one thing or the other. And I think

992
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:23,800
it's really notable in the uap UFO world at the moment,

993
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:26,360
the people are coming more and more to this view

994
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,360
that there is this interactive, almost spiritual quality to these

995
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,559
balls of light and other even bigger sightings. It's not

996
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,800
just us and them. There is something that binds us

997
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,320
in some strange way together. And I did experiments back

998
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,119
in the nineteen nineties with a whole group of other researchers,

999
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,519
and I've written about this to gone to or web

1000
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,920
my website truthagender dot org you can find the articles

1001
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,960
and one of my early books about this where we

1002
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,719
had incredible interactions. The more we try to do these

1003
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,320
experiments trying to see crop circles appearing, the more saw

1004
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,159
the balls of light, the more they seem to be

1005
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,880
drawn to us. We all have the strangest experiences, and

1006
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,920
some of those are in the Strange Book, and we

1007
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,079
realized ourselves, yeah, it's not there is something here that

1008
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,039
connects us, and people that do this kind of work

1009
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:19,960
they learn very rapidly that there is some interconnecting factor

1010
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,960
here and we're all part of something bigger and this

1011
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:27,199
other paranormal realm that it interacts with us. So I

1012
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,199
think we're all joined in the middle somewhere.

1013
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,119
Speaker 5: It's all very fascinating, and this is something that we

1014
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:39,000
could talk about for days upon days on end because

1015
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,559
there's so much great information out there and new things

1016
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,840
to think about too that you know, it's starting to

1017
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,880
come to light. So people definitely should pick up your book,

1018
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,039
which again I'll remind everyone, is called Strange paranormal realities

1019
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:01,559
in the everyday world, and it just out and andy,

1020
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:02,840
where can people find the book?

1021
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,039
Speaker 2: You're going to find it anywhere, so usual places, Amazon,

1022
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,920
Barnes and Noble, you know, any good retailer. And I

1023
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,880
should add that there's an audiobook version as well, and ebooks,

1024
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,239
so you know, you can get it in the old, good,

1025
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,840
old print fashion. But if you like the other formats,

1026
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,519
it's all out there, so look around you'll find it.

1027
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:25,440
It's there, and certainly it's out in all the English

1028
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,920
speaking countries. Hopefully some other translations coming soon. And yeah,

1029
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,159
if anyone's looking for a good introduction to all of

1030
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:35,559
this world, this is a great place to start, people.

1031
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,280
But equally, if you're already a big part of this world,

1032
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:40,599
I hope that it pulls together a lot of threads

1033
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,800
for people. And what it does is make the case that, yeah,

1034
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,920
it's really time to look at this again. And meanwhile,

1035
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,480
you can find out about me and the book or

1036
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:53,400
on my website, which is truth Agenda dot org. So

1037
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,440
www dot truth agenda dot org and you'll find lots

1038
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,599
of stuff about me and the book, and there normal

1039
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,840
and lots of other things. So do have a look.

1040
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,719
If you're interested.

1041
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,239
Speaker 5: Fantastic. Well, Andy, thank you very much for coming on

1042
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,559
the program, and good luck with the book Hope it's

1043
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:11,119
a huge hit.

1044
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,679
Speaker 2: Thank you. And yeah, well and thank you for inviting

1045
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,280
me on today. It's been yeah, very enjoyable chatting with

1046
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:18,719
you both.

1047
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,719
Speaker 5: Okay, and thank you everyone for tuning in to another

1048
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,360
edition of the Paranormal UK Radio show, The Flag Chip

1049
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,679
Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene

1050
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:31,920
Where can people find us?

1051
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: You never get that wrong to you? No, I don't

1052
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,639
don't make any mistake, sir.

1053
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 5: I even took a breath and you didn't even notice.

1054
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,199
Speaker 1: Does it? Everywhere? People? Everywhere?

1055
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: Well, thanks again everyone, have a great week, be good

1056
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,559
humans and we will talk with you all soon. Take care.

1057
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