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Speaker 1: talk station. Bryan Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday Eve.
Speaker 1: Secretary State Frank Leroo is coming up a one hour
Speaker 1: follow by. I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff every
Speaker 1: Thursday at eight thirty. In the meantime, I am honored,
Speaker 1: blessed to have in studio Sarah Herringer and apologies right
Speaker 1: out of the gate, Sarah, I have been saying herring
Speaker 1: juror since your story broke June fourth, when she lost
Speaker 1: her husband to a horrific murder in their apartment and
Speaker 1: over the Rhine. No need to dwell on the details
Speaker 1: on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering from the
Speaker 1: aftermath of that. But Sarah Herringer, it is great heaving
Speaker 1: you in citity to talk about some of the problems
Speaker 1: that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst and most
Speaker 1: horrific of problems in what happened on June four. But
Speaker 1: as we were talking before the segment started, the idea
Speaker 1: of crime in over the rhyme, You've had plenty of
Speaker 1: experience with it. This isn't something new.
Speaker 2: It's not something new, It's been something that's been building
Speaker 2: and cumulating for quite some time. And at this point
Speaker 2: we are seeing the fruits of the labor of the
Speaker 2: city leadership really being harvested or coming to its fullness
Speaker 2: right now. This is not something where all of a
Speaker 2: sudden in the summer of twenty twenty five, wow we
Speaker 2: have crime issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, earlier in the program just
Speaker 1: to think before the top of the our news break
Speaker 1: and I had mentioned to see that I brought it up.
Speaker 1: We didn't just wake up in the city one day
Speaker 1: and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
Speaker 1: problem that's been building for a long long time.
Speaker 2: A really long time to my understanding, even back to
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight where they're recession so hiing freeze.
Speaker 2: But those are things that you're able to project and
Speaker 2: see coming, and any type of business a private corporation
Speaker 2: would not just stand by and just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh well, or not have to change their strategy in
Speaker 2: order to recruit to.
Speaker 3: Compensate for that deficit. This is not something I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there's been a really long runway to be able
Speaker 2: to predict and see where there's going to be a
Speaker 2: lack of police force, and there just hasn't been any
Speaker 2: action or necessary action, the right kind of action to
Speaker 2: fix it.
Speaker 1: Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person, when you
Speaker 1: put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
Speaker 1: city is safety.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
Speaker 1: in the city, in order to courage any business to
Speaker 1: invest in the city, you're going to have to have
Speaker 1: at least a perception of a very safe city. So
Speaker 1: failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
Speaker 1: So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
Speaker 1: you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
Speaker 1: should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
Speaker 1: depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
Speaker 2: about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
Speaker 2: not currently in a situation where there's not money for
Speaker 2: public safety. The money is being given elsewhere, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
Speaker 2: And I mean safety is a is a basic human need.
Speaker 3: It is like it's.
Speaker 2: We're not we're not asking for you know, the whole
Speaker 2: Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here, we're
Speaker 2: asking for safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are.
Speaker 1: We live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things.
Speaker 1: And as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
Speaker 1: been on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out
Speaker 1: of nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living
Speaker 1: hell out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight
Speaker 1: led out to it. It's so appalling, That's that's why
Speaker 1: so many people click on it, I.
Speaker 2: Think, Yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there had
Speaker 2: been a fight between two grown men, the mob response
Speaker 2: to it, and then the woman who was beat just
Speaker 2: by it and by just standing there and checking like that,
Speaker 2: those are You're just like, what has happened?
Speaker 3: Why are we? Why are people acting like this? Why?
Speaker 2: Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
Speaker 2: twice about?
Speaker 3: Well, no hesitation.
Speaker 1: Clearly the folks involved in him thought nothing about it.
Speaker 1: And again that maybe is the reflection of a broader
Speaker 1: societal problem. But amid this seemingly broader societal breakdown, if
Speaker 1: you want to call it the evolution or problem we're
Speaker 1: facing with just lack of morals, ethic, logic and reason.
Speaker 1: That's at the time when you need the police, that's
Speaker 1: when you need more of it. You need a bigger
Speaker 1: police presence, you need apparently by all reports, three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning Saturday, when this is out three total
Speaker 1: officers available.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
Speaker 2: Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
Speaker 2: us as well. Uh, and how is that safe for
Speaker 2: the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
Speaker 2: good question, you know, like it think.
Speaker 1: About the safety of the police, you think about the
Speaker 1: safety of the community.
Speaker 2: But no, and they're they're human beings. It's like what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if there is something like that going on, and it
Speaker 2: tends to I mean even we've seen with juveniles it
Speaker 2: being like more of a mob type thing. If you
Speaker 2: are are one officer and backup is minutes away or
Speaker 2: not or air, yeah, not there at all, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do? It's unfair for them.
Speaker 1: It really is. And you know, I had no really
Speaker 1: put myself in the position of a police officer having
Speaker 1: to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people like,
Speaker 1: you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
Speaker 1: Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
Speaker 1: beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
Speaker 1: you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
Speaker 1: the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
Speaker 1: up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
Speaker 1: over the right?
Speaker 2: We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
Speaker 2: those ten we've lived in OTR.
Speaker 1: And you decide you invested in the community.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Your late husband's business was right there by fimily market
Speaker 1: as I understand it.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
Speaker 2: invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
Speaker 2: to be one of those people who was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we have a business downtown.
Speaker 1: But moving off to the suburbs of eaving when you go.
Speaker 3: Home, Exactly.
Speaker 2: We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
Speaker 2: in because I think that's far more powerful for for
Speaker 2: people to do that.
Speaker 3: That's what community is.
Speaker 1: Well, I get a sense you embraced the idea of
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
Speaker 1: passion for the city. Yeah, absolutely, But actually, you know
Speaker 1: to to choose to invest your dollars there. You thought
Speaker 1: that was obviously a worthy endeavor. Did at some point
Speaker 1: of leading up to June fourth, did you come to
Speaker 1: a conclusion that, well, maybe you might have made the
Speaker 1: wrong decision in that regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
Speaker 2: the city is not safe.
Speaker 3: Like that, that is very apparent.
Speaker 2: And there had been times over the years where, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, this is not the first interaction with crime. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: obviously not ones with such great consequences.
Speaker 3: There have been times where.
Speaker 2: We're like, you know what if maybe we had opened
Speaker 2: our business out in the suburbs, you know, there wouldn't
Speaker 2: be these headaches.
Speaker 3: There wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: But I the thing that we that I've always loved
Speaker 2: about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yeah they do.
Speaker 2: And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
Speaker 2: don't see it's the city is so unique and the
Speaker 2: fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
Speaker 2: overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
Speaker 2: local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
Speaker 2: this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
Speaker 2: we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
Speaker 2: developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
Speaker 2: back to the people and they've allowed for them to
Speaker 2: come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
Speaker 2: everyone downtown they want to support local business. They don't
Speaker 2: want to go to chains. And that's the reason why
Speaker 2: we chose downtown is because it's like starting a business.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of risk to it, and you can
Speaker 2: see it's very evident in the heart of everyone downtown
Speaker 2: that they want it to thrive. And the local business
Speaker 2: owners are the reason why Cincinnati got to where it's at.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the leaders that we have elected to protect
Speaker 2: our investment and protect the community are also going to
Speaker 2: be the ones where it ultimately comes down to us
Speaker 2: saying we've got to leave. We can't just keep investing
Speaker 2: in something that you don't protect and you don't honor
Speaker 2: the way that we've chosen to What can we do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
Speaker 1: I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
Speaker 1: the program every week, and one of his mantras his
Speaker 1: repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with if
Speaker 1: I can phrase it that way, admit the city leadership
Speaker 1: for their failure to out loud and regularly support the
Speaker 1: idea of the police working with the police, telling the
Speaker 1: police the population the police are not they're not bad people.
Speaker 1: They're in fact a wonderful organization that really is there
Speaker 1: to help you, and so we need to work with them.
Speaker 1: Let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration has been
Speaker 1: deafening along those lines until, like I'm surprised it didn't
Speaker 1: pop up right after June fourth, but in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of what happened on Saturday, now you're seeing even folks
Speaker 1: like Aftab Purval talk about crime being the most important
Speaker 1: thing we need to address and deal with.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
Speaker 2: Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure.
Speaker 2: And I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
Speaker 2: but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
Speaker 1: it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
Speaker 1: of the reason for their silence and their fair to
Speaker 1: outloud support police and failure to be forward thinking and
Speaker 1: keeping the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable
Speaker 1: level might be because of the left wing wing of
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink
Speaker 1: the police department. So let's pause. We'll bring Sarah Herringerr
Speaker 1: back and with further discussion. She is in studio for
Speaker 1: the full hour, and I can't thank her enough for
Speaker 1: stopping in and addressing these issues so important to every
Speaker 1: resident of the city of Cincinnati. At seven sixteen, right now,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back on Colway.
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Speaker 1: Sarah and I were engaged in conversation. I should have
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Speaker 1: leaving us a humid free day tomorrow. Today's high eighty three,
Speaker 1: sixty five overnight rain moving out. Got a mostly sunny
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Speaker 1: of sixty one with clear guys, and Saturday is going
Speaker 1: to be partly sunny and also eighty degrees seventy four degrees.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's time for a traffic update, Chuck.
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Speaker 1: Seven nineteen seven, twenty fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas with Sarah Herringerleido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered
Speaker 1: on the fourth of June this year in their apartment
Speaker 1: over the Rhine. And we're not going to dwell on that,
Speaker 1: but it's the predicate for her being on the program
Speaker 1: this morning, but also the predicate for her I would say,
Speaker 1: wonderful activism. You have been an outspoken critic of the
Speaker 1: problems we're talking about here in the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: since that happened, and it's terrible that that had to
Speaker 1: lead to this. But I think you're doing a great
Speaker 1: job of elevating to everyone else's attention some of the
Speaker 1: big failures we have. I saw your post the other
Speaker 1: day about the judicial system, and we're talking about that
Speaker 1: before the program began, and that's one of the big
Speaker 1: failures the judicial system. We have these you know, for
Speaker 1: one of a better term, you can call them what
Speaker 1: you want, I'm going to say liberal judges. I think
Speaker 1: they've been convinced that the criminal justice system is somehow
Speaker 1: unfair and that for whatever reason, bonds are a bad
Speaker 1: thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds, and that meeting
Speaker 1: out justice for people who have actually been convicted or
Speaker 1: have you know, plead guilty or pled guilty rather to
Speaker 1: any given crime, aren't given enough time. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a handslap, don't do it again, and lo and behold,
Speaker 1: there they are back in court again, are involved with
Speaker 1: the police again. So that's one that I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest problem that we face. By way of challenge.
Speaker 1: If we all got on board and we all said, yes,
Speaker 1: we need more police, We're going to do more lateral hires,
Speaker 1: We're going to refill the ranks. We're going to start
Speaker 1: better patrolling. We'll come up with all the solutions for
Speaker 1: the police department to do whatever's within their power to do.
Speaker 1: If there's nobody on the tail end providing the justice
Speaker 1: that's necessary, the deterrence effect that's part of the justice system,
Speaker 1: then it's a pointless gesture. And I know you have
Speaker 1: talked to officers and U and I told you before.
Speaker 1: My sister's a retired police officer. She still has a
Speaker 1: lot of friends and they stay in touch. And I've
Speaker 1: talked to other people and we had a judge on yesterday,
Speaker 1: Betsy Sunderman also the same conclusion that morale is in
Speaker 1: the toilet and police don't have any incentive to actually
Speaker 1: do their job and enforce the law.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, you do, you see, you know not. And
Speaker 2: the information that I posted is that's just scratching surface.
Speaker 2: That that is, you know, some cases that we were
Speaker 2: able to get a hold of and show.
Speaker 3: But it's just showing a trend.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a single data point, but it's showing
Speaker 2: a trend of what the judicial system is is doing
Speaker 2: and they how they are interpreting the law and really
Speaker 2: taking matters into their own hands instead of It's like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to do that, then where is the
Speaker 2: critical thinking. You're not supposed to write like it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be interpretation of the law. But you're just letting
Speaker 2: these people out over and over and over again. And
Speaker 2: the truth is is there are very few people who
Speaker 2: are doing most of the crimes. It's not that you
Speaker 2: know that, and that is why you're seeing them over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. And there is there is
Speaker 2: no deterrence for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: They criminals are making fools of them. They are not
Speaker 2: afraid of the cops, they are not afraid of judges.
Speaker 2: They are are killing. There's a murder every single night.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also the crime that is happening, all of those
Speaker 2: can easily escalate to murder. So even when the chief
Speaker 2: of police is saying, well we only have five percent
Speaker 2: of crime as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the
Speaker 2: other crimes that are happening can very easily turn into that.
Speaker 2: And there is no fear happening like this. You know
Speaker 2: what happened to Patrick. We were not out on the streets.
Speaker 2: We were sleeping in our home. Yeah, and he entered
Speaker 2: our home expecting right, yes, like not worried about it
Speaker 2: at all. Yes, quite honestly. And when you have when
Speaker 2: you have a certain population that none of us can
Speaker 2: think the way they think, there's there, you know, that's
Speaker 2: the whole thing. We even when you're talking about people
Speaker 2: who want to be lenient on criminals, we don't.
Speaker 3: Have the mind of them.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: We we like that. That is not we. We would
Speaker 2: never do something.
Speaker 1: Right in the right mind, would kick a door in
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, knowing full well that
Speaker 1: someone was occupying that dwelling, you know, And if that
Speaker 1: were to happen in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm
Speaker 1: a proponent of the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right.
Speaker 1: I'm a concealed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms
Speaker 1: in my home. I'm prepared for that situation.
Speaker 3: So you see, see it does and it's it is
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: It's it speaks volumes and being woken up at four
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you made that point out, lawd it's time for
Speaker 1: a break. We're going to continue this discussion because I
Speaker 1: want you in my listeners about some of the other
Speaker 1: crime that you personally and your late husband experience leading
Speaker 1: up to June fourth, because I think some of my
Speaker 1: listeners will be quite surprised about what I believe you
Speaker 1: described as feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing
Speaker 1: thing stuff, folks. It's seven twenty five right now, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away fifty
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Speaker 1: Got a midday storms they say are very likely, so
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Speaker 1: throughout the day, which is a welcome relief. Eighty three
Speaker 1: for the high, overnight low sixty five clear. Sky's got
Speaker 1: a sunny, beautiful day tomorrow with the high of eighty
Speaker 1: and no humidity sixty one the overnight low clear. And
Speaker 1: on Saturday, another partly sunny day, another high of eighty
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Speaker 1: Seven nine here fifty five KRCD talk station, try to
Speaker 1: have a happy Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the
Speaker 1: subject matter we're dealing with here, and it is a
Speaker 1: tragedy that gave rise to my conversation this morning here
Speaker 1: with Sarah Herringer in studio lost her husband to murder
Speaker 1: in their own home four o'clock in the morning, which
Speaker 1: is obviously an illustration of at least one of the
Speaker 1: many problems we have in the city Cincinnati with crime.
Speaker 1: And you know this can be a learned behavior. Sarah,
Speaker 1: you were telling me about some of the crime that
Speaker 1: you and your late husband experienced leading up to the
Speaker 1: fourth because you've been in that area for about seven
Speaker 1: years plus or minus. He had your business started there,
Speaker 1: so you had a lot of interactions with you know,
Speaker 1: folks in the community, good and bad. Let my listeners
Speaker 1: know about some of the what you described, And I
Speaker 1: thought it was a great way you phrased it, these
Speaker 1: feral gangs of children that you had encountered regularly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, every every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
Speaker 2: there's uh here they come and you see packs of
Speaker 2: children and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
Speaker 2: sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
Speaker 2: around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
Speaker 2: nine of them, and there's there's one teenager you know,
Speaker 2: that's in charge of all of them, and there's not
Speaker 2: a parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like,
Speaker 2: oh it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights
Speaker 2: out in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Just our summers here are amazing.
Speaker 2: It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
Speaker 2: running them up and there's zero supervision, parenting consideration for
Speaker 2: their safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last
Speaker 2: seven plus years.
Speaker 1: Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
Speaker 1: people who work with human services and trying to provide
Speaker 1: a better path in a better way. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more discussions
Speaker 1: I even can remember about that, and without fail, almost
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at the
Speaker 1: criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of the
Speaker 1: loss of the nuclear family, the fact that these children
Speaker 1: don't live in a loving environment, even just if it's
Speaker 1: one parent. And I think I mean that right there,
Speaker 1: what you said, that they're somewhere where this child ultimately
Speaker 1: goes and calls home, that there's not a person there
Speaker 1: fretting and worrying over the fact that they're eighty nine
Speaker 1: Your old child isn't home by midnight even, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely on any given night. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: a Saturday or Tuesday. No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
Speaker 2: that's where it starts. And that's why even you know,
Speaker 2: thinking that prison is going to reform people, it's like
Speaker 2: prison does not reform anyone. And you have to start
Speaker 2: back at that age, back at that point. That starting
Speaker 2: point is really where it begins is with children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there has to be consequences and there really are none.
Speaker 2: And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
Speaker 2: it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
Speaker 2: to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually
Speaker 2: have none, what are you teaching them?
Speaker 1: Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
Speaker 1: system that way as well. If you're going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
Speaker 1: when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
Speaker 1: the material in the grade they're in to learn anything,
Speaker 1: but they will learn that regardless of how little effort
Speaker 1: they put into the project, they're going to get moved forward.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
Speaker 1: to him as a junior arsonist.
Speaker 2: Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
Speaker 2: encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
Speaker 2: We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
Speaker 2: and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
Speaker 2: and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on
Speaker 2: fire and when the fire and Marshall, who did an
Speaker 2: exceptional job finding them, catching them right away.
Speaker 3: It was not their first offense.
Speaker 2: The one, the kid who had actually set fire to
Speaker 2: the boxes, that was his third arson charge. And in
Speaker 2: between the time of him being caught and booked for
Speaker 2: arson of our truck and showing up for his first
Speaker 2: day of court, he had also been tagged with a
Speaker 2: agglevated burglary attempt.
Speaker 3: And so the.
Speaker 2: This is a juvenile and you know, even if we
Speaker 2: want to talk about the juvenile court system, I mean
Speaker 2: that the whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first,
Speaker 2: punished second. But that started back when kids were shoplifting,
Speaker 2: not when they were doing the type of crime that
Speaker 2: they are committing.
Speaker 1: Now, and including gun crime.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
Speaker 2: different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
Speaker 2: not the type that you're you know, a child that
Speaker 2: has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
Speaker 2: the same outcomes right clearly, and you know, get the
Speaker 2: getting the child, getting the kid to even show up.
Speaker 2: We did press charges because we're like, listen, you set
Speaker 2: our truck on fire, and this was not the first
Speaker 2: time you did this. This was not a oh, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna see what happens, and yeah, this is this is
Speaker 2: something that you're intentionally doing.
Speaker 3: They knew to cover their faces.
Speaker 2: They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're well versed in this and and clearly I thought
Speaker 2: nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
Speaker 2: going through the court process and you see that they
Speaker 2: don't show up. It ended up being far more of
Speaker 2: a of a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick
Speaker 2: getting subpoena all the time, and he's like, no, I
Speaker 2: don't want to charge the parents' money. I want this
Speaker 2: kid to stop being a menace to society. And there's
Speaker 2: nothing in the system to hold them accountable. So we
Speaker 2: ended up just being like, just you know, leave it,
Speaker 2: like it's I can't keep being subpoenaed and stop everything
Speaker 2: that I'm doing. It was had been well more than
Speaker 2: a year and we're still dealing with this. And the
Speaker 2: other thing was in the summer of twenty three and
Speaker 2: this this was a really big issue. We're in the
Speaker 2: market district, family market area, and our business was broken
Speaker 2: into multiple times, now multiple businesses, over nine businesses in
Speaker 2: that market area had been broken into. There is a
Speaker 2: bar that ended up having to go out of business
Speaker 2: because they were broken into so many times.
Speaker 3: At some point you're like, you can't.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be unensurable, you can't keep firing or filing.
Speaker 2: And we you know, the business owners we had congregated,
Speaker 2: we were we were meeting with city council, trying to
Speaker 2: get help, trying to get help. I ended up having
Speaker 2: to go to the media then as well in order
Speaker 2: to get any type of response from the city. And
Speaker 2: then they put a beat cop down there during the
Speaker 2: day so people coming in would feel safe, and it's like,
Speaker 2: that is not when criminals are doing crime. So again
Speaker 2: it's already then we see optics and not doing the
Speaker 2: work to protect the business owners of that area. And
Speaker 2: the truth is there was no policing done. We had,
Speaker 2: on our instance, they sent over a cop she had
Speaker 2: a tiny little notepad. Uh, you were broken into, no fingerprints,
Speaker 2: We had cameras, they did not ask for footage at all.
Speaker 2: There was nothing as far as looking for the actual person.
Speaker 2: And then there was one one guy who was arrested,
Speaker 2: the one who actually did the break in. One night,
Speaker 2: we had seven people break in at once because the
Speaker 2: one guy broke in and multiple people came in Patrick
Speaker 2: had to go, my husband had to go and find
Speaker 2: that person and have choice works because he kept trying
Speaker 2: to break in during business hours. Even there's no the
Speaker 2: criminals do not fear police, they do not fear repercussions.
Speaker 2: And so Patrick and that's you know, he handled it
Speaker 2: in a way. He's a pretty intimidating looking guy. And
Speaker 2: you know, the other guy didn't come back, but he
Speaker 2: even went to the police and was like, I can
Speaker 2: show you where he is. And the one that they
Speaker 2: they did end up arresting, who truly was mentally ill
Speaker 2: and really didn't do a lot of harm. I actually
Speaker 2: got a letter last week. It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey,
Speaker 2: this guy didn't show up for his court dates, so
Speaker 2: we've warrant to you know, we've worn out for his
Speaker 2: arrest and if you need anything, called the victim's advocate.
Speaker 2: And it's it's like it's just a it's a clown
Speaker 2: show the whole thing. You're like, there isn't going to
Speaker 2: be justice with the current system that's happening. There's no
Speaker 2: follow through. And yeah, I think you know there is
Speaker 2: even down to a point which we talked about earlier,
Speaker 2: and apathy that is coming that is so clear from
Speaker 2: the police department at this point, because they're humans, and
Speaker 2: how many times can you just see the same criminal
Speaker 2: release before you're like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Hernker back for a couple
Speaker 1: more segments here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
Speaker 1: get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
Speaker 1: who might decide to start working on some solution. And
Speaker 1: speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
Speaker 1: some of the ones that they have put in place
Speaker 1: and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
Speaker 1: fruit along the positive lines directions seven thirty nine. Right now,
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Speaker 1: time for a traffic update. Chuck from the.
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Speaker 1: Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRC the talk station
Speaker 1: Brient Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
Speaker 1: murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
Speaker 1: talking about problems in heroin in the system, and I
Speaker 1: think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
Speaker 1: the the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community
Speaker 1: activism is supposed to be going on, funded by government
Speaker 1: that's to address the problems that we're talking about today.
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act Act
Speaker 1: Initiative initiative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, really passionate, flowy language, you know,
Speaker 2: trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
Speaker 2: well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
Speaker 2: beautiful for the community and that everyone would want. However,
Speaker 2: the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
Speaker 2: the numbers that I found is about five and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
Speaker 2: taxpayer money, right like, that's everything the government pays for
Speaker 2: is course our money, and there is zero line by
Speaker 2: line on where this money is being spent. We know
Speaker 2: it's going to nonprofits, we know it's going to consultants,
Speaker 2: but there's also no metrics for success attached to it.
Speaker 2: How will you know something is working? Where is the
Speaker 2: transparency on accountability all of this money that's being put
Speaker 2: into giving out sandwiches and hip hop classes, how is
Speaker 2: that deterring gun violence? And how can you prove that
Speaker 2: this money being spent is doing exactly what it says
Speaker 2: that it's going to be doing, and there just is
Speaker 2: zero follow through, metrics, accountability, transparency, and it extends far
Speaker 2: beyond just the Act initiative. There's really no published data betwind,
Speaker 2: spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs that they
Speaker 2: the police have told me this that they just keep
Speaker 2: renaming but they already know doesn't work. But they need
Speaker 2: to put money somewhere. And that is a big problem
Speaker 2: is they just keep funding and putting things and you know,
Speaker 2: paying people salaries.
Speaker 1: Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
Speaker 1: we brought, you cut the ribbon and then never talk
Speaker 1: about it again.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely no follow through. Do we know what we're
Speaker 2: doing is working and this is how we're going to
Speaker 2: measure it and if it's not, then we already have
Speaker 2: a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes you need some trial
Speaker 2: and error in order to get things to work, recognize,
Speaker 2: but you have to have the accountability and transparency. And
Speaker 2: I think that is the number one issue that we
Speaker 2: are seeing with our local government is there is zero
Speaker 2: of that. There is zero transparency, there's zero accountability, and
Speaker 2: they are not measuring or tracking and so you might
Speaker 2: even have well intended and good people, but they're not
Speaker 2: competent and enough to measure the outcomes of something because
Speaker 2: they don't exist and they think they're doing a great
Speaker 2: job and they're not. And the results as we've seen
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati speak for itself at the crime levels, I
Speaker 2: think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever their
Speaker 2: funding is not working.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
Speaker 1: looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not?
Speaker 1: You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
Speaker 1: of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
Speaker 1: but for but they're still on the upswitch. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: not getting better than last year.
Speaker 2: We're getting worse, Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the
Speaker 2: downtown OTR area that is really skyrocketed in crime.
Speaker 1: And destroying what they the very thing that they were
Speaker 1: looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: old enough I worked in over the Rhine of Finley
Speaker 1: Market when I was in late high school in early college.
Speaker 1: That was before any money was in. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just really kind of comparatively a disaster visually, and but honestly,
Speaker 1: I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
Speaker 1: or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the morning, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: were you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes,
Speaker 1: I was underage. They didn't really care back then, and
Speaker 1: maybe not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was
Speaker 1: there in different hours, but never I never was concerned.
Speaker 1: Parked on the street, walked by myself to my car.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then. However, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
Speaker 2: And this is because of right the current leadership that we.
Speaker 1: Have, and I imagine it is probably having an impact
Speaker 1: on real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get
Speaker 1: that back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and
Speaker 1: the motive behind it to get young, money earning taxpayers
Speaker 1: to move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that
Speaker 1: they talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: Why because they embrace this sort of liberal philosophy when
Speaker 1: it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: We'll have a few more minutes with Sarah Herringer. Take
Speaker 1: a quick break.
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Speaker 1: Seven fifty one fifty five krs the talk station closing
Speaker 1: out this hour long discussion with Sarah Herringer, the widow
Speaker 1: of Patrick Herringer, and we've been talking about the aftermath
Speaker 1: of the tragedy that happened to their home on June fourth,
Speaker 1: when someone broke into their home in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, four o'clock in the morning and stabbed her
Speaker 1: late husband to death. And this has given her a
Speaker 1: platform to bring to everyone's attention, most notably those who
Speaker 1: might not be inclined to vote in an election. I
Speaker 1: will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, but at least you know
Speaker 1: you're in a position because of this that people are
Speaker 1: paying attention to what you're saying. Right, You're a provider
Speaker 1: of valuable information and with the spotlight on you, people
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god. I did not know that
Speaker 1: was going on. I did not know that we had
Speaker 1: no accountability with these programs. I didn't realize the judicial
Speaker 1: system was this broke when we got judges releasing these
Speaker 1: repeat offenders over and over again. So I know my
Speaker 1: listening audience, and I certainly applaud your efforts in doing
Speaker 1: this because, in spite of the tragedy you have to
Speaker 1: deal with and continue to cope with, at least you
Speaker 1: have the limelight for a while. Do you think there
Speaker 1: is any possibility as we fast approached the November election,
Speaker 1: we have a complete Democrat council, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that necessarily means that they are against police or not.
Speaker 1: But we know over the past forty years what has
Speaker 1: happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're down on police numbers.
Speaker 1: We know they didn't get ahead of the police department
Speaker 1: numbers loss. We know that they in some cases maybe
Speaker 1: of allocated resources that should have gone to law enforcement
Speaker 1: or public safety in other directions. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: still hope for the city? I mean, would an administration
Speaker 1: change or a shake up and the membership of council
Speaker 1: or maybe the mayor. And I know it's an unlikely
Speaker 1: scenario that the city's going to start, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a seat
Speaker 1: change on council and leadership might help?
Speaker 2: I would have to say yes that a seat change
Speaker 2: would help. I also want to be critical of those
Speaker 2: who just think if we, you know, changed over the
Speaker 2: entire regime, then these problems would just go away overnight.
Speaker 2: It's still power that is being abused. And what's really
Speaker 2: important for people to understand and to learn how to
Speaker 2: navigate when we're intentionally not todd this. As Americans, you
Speaker 2: get a Civics class in ninth grade when you're too
Speaker 2: young and you don't care, and the rest of your
Speaker 2: time is spent on stem. You only learn about the
Speaker 2: political system if you choose to major as a political
Speaker 2: science major. But there needs to be a demand of
Speaker 2: transparency and accountability for whomever is in leadership, and the
Speaker 2: leadership now what they they could change? You know, if
Speaker 2: we go back to cancel culture even it's like, why
Speaker 2: don't you give people an opportunity to make changes and
Speaker 2: show us can they or will they? And if they
Speaker 2: won't then yeah, I think that's a pretty good argument
Speaker 2: for getting someone out and giving someone who is saying
Speaker 2: that they're in alignment with your values and want what
Speaker 2: you want a really good chance. And it is the truth,
Speaker 2: you may not get that entirely, and so I don't
Speaker 2: think we should put all of our eggs in one
Speaker 2: basket of We need a complete new regime, We need
Speaker 2: an entirely new leadership. We also need to learn how
Speaker 2: to use our voices to hold those accountable who are there.
Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
Speaker 1: am take a cheap shot at a have to have
Speaker 1: prowall when he leaves town after knowing full well there
Speaker 1: has been a terribly violent occurrence in the city and
Speaker 1: he decides to leave in the afternoon and go on
Speaker 1: vacation anyway, Yes, I said that out loud. I'm not
Speaker 1: putting words in Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it
Speaker 1: speaks volumes about a failed administration. Sarah. I I am
Speaker 1: a listening audience, and I pray for you, hope you know,
Speaker 1: for your swift recovery in the aftermath. It's very an
Speaker 1: emotional time for you. But again, I really truly applaud
Speaker 1: your efforts and trying to get people engaged and involved.
Speaker 1: And if you could ask something of my listening audience,
Speaker 1: I mean, what would you say, I mean, be more
Speaker 1: like me and bring this to people's attention, talk about
Speaker 1: it more. I mean, any advice or something you would
Speaker 1: ask of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't tell them to be more
Speaker 3: like me.
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
Speaker 2: for sure. But these are really important things and people.
Speaker 2: I do believe that most people are good people. They're
Speaker 2: doing the best that they can. And we all want
Speaker 2: safe you know, safe home, safe communities, a place for
Speaker 2: us to have a good life, for us to create
Speaker 2: beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
Speaker 2: of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
Speaker 2: think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
Speaker 1: Sarah Heringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
Speaker 1: and I hope you continue. You got a good voice.
Speaker 1: You have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
Speaker 1: of people generally speaking for what you're doing in the
Speaker 1: courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
Speaker 1: gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
Speaker 1: up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
Speaker 1: a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
Speaker 1: if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
Speaker 1: and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
Speaker 1: place a phone call here to the fifty five cares
Speaker 1: More and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
Speaker 1: love having the studio.
Speaker 3: Yep, we'll come anytime.
Speaker 1: God bless you, Sarah, take care. Seven fifty seven, right
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