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<v Speaker 1>Seven o five if you're a fifty five kirc DE

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<v Speaker 1>talk station. Bryan Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday Eve.

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary State Frank Leroo is coming up a one hour

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<v Speaker 1>follow by. I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff every

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday at eight thirty. In the meantime, I am honored,

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<v Speaker 1>blessed to have in studio Sarah Herringer and apologies right

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate, Sarah, I have been saying herring

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<v Speaker 1>juror since your story broke June fourth, when she lost

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<v Speaker 1>her husband to a horrific murder in their apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>over the Rhine. No need to dwell on the details

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<v Speaker 1>on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering from the

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<v Speaker 1>aftermath of that. But Sarah Herringer, it is great heaving

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<v Speaker 1>you in citity to talk about some of the problems

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<v Speaker 1>that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst and most

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<v Speaker 1>horrific of problems in what happened on June four. But

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<v Speaker 1>as we were talking before the segment started, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of crime in over the rhyme, You've had plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>experience with it. This isn't something new.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something new, It's been something that's been building

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<v Speaker 2>and cumulating for quite some time. And at this point

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<v Speaker 2>we are seeing the fruits of the labor of the

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<v Speaker 2>city leadership really being harvested or coming to its fullness

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<v Speaker 2>right now. This is not something where all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden in the summer of twenty twenty five, wow we

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<v Speaker 2>have crime issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, you know, earlier in the program just

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<v Speaker 1>to think before the top of the our news break

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<v Speaker 1>and I had mentioned to see that I brought it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't just wake up in the city one day

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<v Speaker 1>and say and find out, oh my god, we're one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>problem that's been building for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>A really long time to my understanding, even back to

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight where they're recession so hiing freeze.

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<v Speaker 2>But those are things that you're able to project and

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<v Speaker 2>see coming, and any type of business a private corporation

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<v Speaker 2>would not just stand by and just be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well, or not have to change their strategy in

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<v Speaker 2>order to recruit to.

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<v Speaker 3>Compensate for that deficit. This is not something I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, there's been a really long runway to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to predict and see where there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of police force, and there just hasn't been any

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<v Speaker 2>action or necessary action, the right kind of action to

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<v Speaker 2>fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person, when you

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<v Speaker 1>put politics aside, the most important component to a successful

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<v Speaker 1>city is safety.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to in order to encourage anybody to live

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<v Speaker 1>in the city, in order to courage any business to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in the city, you're going to have to have

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<v Speaker 1>at least a perception of a very safe city. So

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<v Speaker 1>failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to tighten the belt. The last place you

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<v Speaker 1>should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling

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<v Speaker 1>depleting ranks is the police department of all places.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked

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<v Speaker 2>about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're

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<v Speaker 2>not currently in a situation where there's not money for

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<v Speaker 2>public safety. The money is being given elsewhere, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean safety is a is a basic human need.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not we're not asking for you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here, we're

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<v Speaker 2>asking for safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things.

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<v Speaker 1>And as evidence by the viral nature of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>been on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight

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<v Speaker 1>led out to it. It's so appalling, That's that's why

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<v Speaker 1>so many people click on it, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, Yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there had

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<v Speaker 2>been a fight between two grown men, the mob response

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and then the woman who was beat just

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<v Speaker 2>by it and by just standing there and checking like that,

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<v Speaker 2>those are You're just like, what has happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are we? Why are people acting like this? Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks

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<v Speaker 2>twice about?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no hesitation.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly the folks involved in him thought nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that maybe is the reflection of a broader

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<v Speaker 1>societal problem. But amid this seemingly broader societal breakdown, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call it the evolution or problem we're

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<v Speaker 1>facing with just lack of morals, ethic, logic and reason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's at the time when you need the police, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you need more of it. You need a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>police presence, you need apparently by all reports, three o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning Saturday, when this is out three total

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<v Speaker 1>officers available.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with the hours at the It happened with

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<v Speaker 2>us as well. Uh, and how is that safe for

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<v Speaker 2>the police? How is that safe for them? It's a

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<v Speaker 2>good question, you know, like it think.

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<v Speaker 1>About the safety of the police, you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>safety of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, and they're they're human beings. It's like what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if there is something like that going on, and it

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<v Speaker 2>tends to I mean even we've seen with juveniles it

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<v Speaker 2>being like more of a mob type thing. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are are one officer and backup is minutes away or

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<v Speaker 2>not or air, yeah, not there at all, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to do? It's unfair for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. And you know, I had no really

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<v Speaker 1>put myself in the position of a police officer having

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're just as likely to be subject of the

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<v Speaker 1>beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that

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<v Speaker 1>you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to

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<v Speaker 1>the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to June fourth, how long had you lived in

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<v Speaker 1>over the right?

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<v Speaker 2>We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of

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<v Speaker 2>those ten we've lived in OTR.

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<v Speaker 1>And you decide you invested in the community.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Your late husband's business was right there by fimily market

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<v Speaker 1>as I understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,

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<v Speaker 2>invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be one of those people who was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a business downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>But moving off to the suburbs of eaving when you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Home, Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to invest in the community that we lived

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<v Speaker 2>in because I think that's far more powerful for for

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<v Speaker 2>people to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what community is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I get a sense you embraced the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and

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<v Speaker 1>passion for the city. Yeah, absolutely, But actually, you know

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<v Speaker 1>to to choose to invest your dollars there. You thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was obviously a worthy endeavor. Did at some point

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<v Speaker 1>of leading up to June fourth, did you come to

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<v Speaker 1>a conclusion that, well, maybe you might have made the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong decision in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the city is not safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, that is very apparent.

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<v Speaker 2>And there had been times over the years where, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is not the first interaction with crime. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously not ones with such great consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been times where.

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<v Speaker 2>We're like, you know what if maybe we had opened

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<v Speaker 2>our business out in the suburbs, you know, there wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be these headaches.

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<v Speaker 3>There wouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 2>But I the thing that we that I've always loved

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<v Speaker 2>about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they do.

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<v Speaker 2>And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't see it's the city is so unique and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and

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<v Speaker 2>overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this

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<v Speaker 2>local spirit and this local heart of the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>developers as far as that goes, but they've given it

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<v Speaker 2>back to the people and they've allowed for them to

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<v Speaker 2>come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone downtown they want to support local business. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to chains. And that's the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>we chose downtown is because it's like starting a business.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of risk to it, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>see it's very evident in the heart of everyone downtown

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<v Speaker 2>that they want it to thrive. And the local business

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<v Speaker 2>owners are the reason why Cincinnati got to where it's at.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately, the leaders that we have elected to protect

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<v Speaker 2>be the ones where it ultimately comes down to us

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<v Speaker 2>saying we've got to leave. We can't just keep investing

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<v Speaker 2>in something that you don't protect and you don't honor

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<v Speaker 2>the way that we've chosen to What can we do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on

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<v Speaker 1>the program every week, and one of his mantras his

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<v Speaker 1>repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with if

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<v Speaker 1>I can phrase it that way, admit the city leadership

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<v Speaker 1>for their failure to out loud and regularly support the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the police working with the police, telling the

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<v Speaker 1>police the population the police are not they're not bad people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in fact a wonderful organization that really is there

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<v Speaker 1>to help you, and so we need to work with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration has been

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<v Speaker 1>deafening along those lines until, like I'm surprised it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>pop up right after June fourth, but in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened on Saturday, now you're seeing even folks

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<v Speaker 1>like Aftab Purval talk about crime being the most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing we need to address and deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand that that's political suicide and as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>it and we come back. Do you think maybe part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason for their silence and their fair to

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<v Speaker 1>outloud support police and failure to be forward thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>level might be because of the left wing wing of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink

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<v Speaker 1>the police department. So let's pause. We'll bring Sarah Herringerr

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<v Speaker 1>back and with further discussion. She is in studio for

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<v Speaker 1>the full hour, and I can't thank her enough for

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<v Speaker 1>stopping in and addressing these issues so important to every

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah and I were engaged in conversation. I should have

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it's time for a traffic update, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 5>From the UCUP Traffic Center. You see Healthway Laws Center

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the Vice president is on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven nineteen seven, twenty fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas with Sarah Herringerleido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth of June this year in their apartment

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<v Speaker 1>over the Rhine. And we're not going to dwell on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the predicate for her being on the program

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, but also the predicate for her I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful activism. You have been an outspoken critic of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems we're talking about here in the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>since that happened, and it's terrible that that had to

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<v Speaker 1>lead to this. But I think you're doing a great

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<v Speaker 1>job of elevating to everyone else's attention some of the

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<v Speaker 1>big failures we have. I saw your post the other

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<v Speaker 1>day about the judicial system, and we're talking about that

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<v Speaker 1>before the program began, and that's one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>failures the judicial system. We have these you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>one of a better term, you can call them what

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<v Speaker 1>you want, I'm going to say liberal judges. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they've been convinced that the criminal justice system is somehow

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<v Speaker 1>thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds, and that meeting

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<v Speaker 1>out justice for people who have actually been convicted or

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, plead guilty or pled guilty rather to

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<v Speaker 1>any given crime, aren't given enough time. It's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a handslap, don't do it again, and lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 1>there they are back in court again, are involved with

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<v Speaker 1>the police again. So that's one that I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest problem that we face. By way of challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>If we all got on board and we all said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we need more police, We're going to do more lateral hires,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to refill the ranks. We're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>better patrolling. We'll come up with all the solutions for

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<v Speaker 1>the police department to do whatever's within their power to do.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's nobody on the tail end providing the justice

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<v Speaker 1>that's necessary, the deterrence effect that's part of the justice system,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's a pointless gesture. And I know you have

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<v Speaker 1>talked to officers and U and I told you before.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister's a retired police officer. She still has a

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<v Speaker 1>talked to other people and we had a judge on yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>Betsy Sunderman also the same conclusion that morale is in

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet and police don't have any incentive to actually

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, you do, you see, you know not. And

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<v Speaker 2>the information that I posted is that's just scratching surface.

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<v Speaker 2>That that is, you know, some cases that we were

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just showing a trend.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a single data point, but it's showing

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<v Speaker 2>a trend of what the judicial system is is doing

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<v Speaker 2>and they how they are interpreting the law and really

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<v Speaker 2>taking matters into their own hands instead of It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to do that, then where is the

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<v Speaker 2>critical thinking. You're not supposed to write like it's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be interpretation of the law. But you're just letting

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<v Speaker 2>these people out over and over and over again. And

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<v Speaker 2>the truth is is there are very few people who

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<v Speaker 2>know that, and that is why you're seeing them over

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<v Speaker 2>and over and over again. And there is there is

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<v Speaker 2>no deterrence for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>They criminals are making fools of them. They are not

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of the cops, they are not afraid of judges.

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<v Speaker 2>They are are killing. There's a murder every single night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the crime that is happening, all of those

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<v Speaker 2>can easily escalate to murder. So even when the chief

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<v Speaker 2>of police is saying, well we only have five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of crime as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the

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<v Speaker 2>other crimes that are happening can very easily turn into that.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is no fear happening like this. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Patrick. We were not out on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>We were sleeping in our home. Yeah, and he entered

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<v Speaker 2>our home expecting right, yes, like not worried about it

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Yes, quite honestly. And when you have when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a certain population that none of us can

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<v Speaker 2>think the way they think, there's there, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. We even when you're talking about people

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<v Speaker 2>who want to be lenient on criminals, we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the mind of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>We we like that. That is not we. We would

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the right mind, would kick a door in

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night, knowing full well that

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<v Speaker 1>someone was occupying that dwelling, you know, And if that

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<v Speaker 1>were to happen in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a proponent of the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a concealed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms

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<v Speaker 3>So you see, see it does and it's it is

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<v Speaker 1>It's it speaks volumes and being woken up at four

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you made that point out, lawd it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>a break. We're going to continue this discussion because I

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<v Speaker 1>want you in my listeners about some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>crime that you personally and your late husband experience leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to June fourth, because I think some of my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners will be quite surprised about what I believe you

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<v Speaker 1>described as feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>thing stuff, folks. It's seven twenty five right now, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away fifty

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what's trending now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jopers, Shannon and I have first one to weather forecast.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a midday storms they say are very likely, so

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<v Speaker 1>expect some rain today and expect the humidity to drop

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the day, which is a welcome relief. Eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>a sunny, beautiful day tomorrow with the high of eighty

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<v Speaker 1>and no humidity sixty one the overnight low clear. And

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, another partly sunny day, another high of eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four degrees. Right now, let's get a traffic.

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<v Speaker 5>Update from the UCF Traffic Center. You see healthwave Ball

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<v Speaker 5>three nine three nine June two sixty three. That's nine

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<v Speaker 5>shut down earlier. Chuck Ingram on fifty five krc the

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<v Speaker 1>Seven nine here fifty five KRCD talk station, try to

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<v Speaker 1>have a happy Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter we're dealing with here, and it is a

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy that gave rise to my conversation this morning here

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<v Speaker 1>with Sarah Herringer in studio lost her husband to murder

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<v Speaker 1>in their own home four o'clock in the morning, which

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously an illustration of at least one of the

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<v Speaker 1>many problems we have in the city Cincinnati with crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know this can be a learned behavior. Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were telling me about some of the crime that

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<v Speaker 1>you and your late husband experienced leading up to the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth because you've been in that area for about seven

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<v Speaker 1>years plus or minus. He had your business started there,

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<v Speaker 1>so you had a lot of interactions with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>folks in the community, good and bad. Let my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>know about some of the what you described, And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a great way you phrased it, these

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<v Speaker 1>feral gangs of children that you had encountered regularly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, every every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes all the way down to five years old, but

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<v Speaker 2>around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 2>nine of them, and there's there's one teenager you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's in charge of all of them, and there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights

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<v Speaker 3>Just our summers here are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>running them up and there's zero supervision, parenting consideration for

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<v Speaker 2>their safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice

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<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last

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<v Speaker 2>seven plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,

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<v Speaker 1>is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more discussions

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<v Speaker 1>I even can remember about that, and without fail, almost

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at the

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<v Speaker 1>criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of the nuclear family, the fact that these children

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<v Speaker 1>what you said, that they're somewhere where this child ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>goes and calls home, that there's not a person there

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<v Speaker 1>fretting and worrying over the fact that they're eighty nine

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<v Speaker 1>Your old child isn't home by midnight even, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where it starts. And that's why even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that prison is going to reform people, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>prison does not reform anyone. And you have to start

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, there has to be consequences and there really are none.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually

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<v Speaker 2>have none, what are you teaching them?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? And you can make a parallel to the education

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<v Speaker 1>system that way as well. If you're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and pass a child along to the next grade

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<v Speaker 1>when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master

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<v Speaker 1>the material in the grade they're in to learn anything,

428
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<v Speaker 1>but they will learn that regardless of how little effort

429
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<v Speaker 1>they put into the project, they're going to get moved forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred

432
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<v Speaker 1>to him as a junior arsonist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've

434
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<v Speaker 2>encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.

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<v Speaker 2>We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck

436
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<v Speaker 2>and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,

437
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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras

438
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<v Speaker 2>and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on

439
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<v Speaker 2>fire and when the fire and Marshall, who did an

440
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<v Speaker 2>exceptional job finding them, catching them right away.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not their first offense.

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<v Speaker 2>The one, the kid who had actually set fire to

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<v Speaker 2>the boxes, that was his third arson charge. And in

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<v Speaker 2>between the time of him being caught and booked for

445
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<v Speaker 2>arson of our truck and showing up for his first

446
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<v Speaker 2>day of court, he had also been tagged with a

447
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<v Speaker 2>agglevated burglary attempt.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a juvenile and you know, even if we

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the juvenile court system, I mean

451
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<v Speaker 2>that the whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first,

452
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<v Speaker 2>punished second. But that started back when kids were shoplifting,

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<v Speaker 2>not when they were doing the type of crime that

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<v Speaker 2>they are committing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, and including gun crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very

457
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<v Speaker 2>different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again

458
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<v Speaker 2>not the type that you're you know, a child that

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<v Speaker 2>has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not

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<v Speaker 2>the same outcomes right clearly, and you know, get the

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<v Speaker 2>getting the child, getting the kid to even show up.

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<v Speaker 2>We did press charges because we're like, listen, you set

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<v Speaker 2>our truck on fire, and this was not the first

464
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<v Speaker 2>time you did this. This was not a oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna see what happens, and yeah, this is this is

466
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<v Speaker 2>something that you're intentionally doing.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew to cover their faces.

468
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<v Speaker 2>They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,

469
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<v Speaker 2>they're well versed in this and and clearly I thought

470
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<v Speaker 2>nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start

471
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<v Speaker 2>going through the court process and you see that they

472
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<v Speaker 2>don't show up. It ended up being far more of

473
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<v Speaker 2>a of a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick

474
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<v Speaker 2>getting subpoena all the time, and he's like, no, I

475
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to charge the parents' money. I want this

476
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<v Speaker 2>kid to stop being a menace to society. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in the system to hold them accountable. So we

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<v Speaker 2>ended up just being like, just you know, leave it,

479
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<v Speaker 2>like it's I can't keep being subpoenaed and stop everything

480
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<v Speaker 2>that I'm doing. It was had been well more than

481
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<v Speaker 2>a year and we're still dealing with this. And the

482
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<v Speaker 2>other thing was in the summer of twenty three and

483
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<v Speaker 2>this this was a really big issue. We're in the

484
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<v Speaker 2>market district, family market area, and our business was broken

485
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<v Speaker 2>into multiple times, now multiple businesses, over nine businesses in

486
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<v Speaker 2>that market area had been broken into. There is a

487
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<v Speaker 2>bar that ended up having to go out of business

488
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<v Speaker 2>because they were broken into so many times.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point you're like, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be unensurable, you can't keep firing or filing.

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<v Speaker 2>And we you know, the business owners we had congregated,

492
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<v Speaker 2>we were we were meeting with city council, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get help, trying to get help. I ended up having

494
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<v Speaker 2>to go to the media then as well in order

495
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<v Speaker 2>to get any type of response from the city. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they put a beat cop down there during the

497
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<v Speaker 2>day so people coming in would feel safe, and it's like,

498
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<v Speaker 2>that is not when criminals are doing crime. So again

499
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<v Speaker 2>it's already then we see optics and not doing the

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<v Speaker 2>work to protect the business owners of that area. And

501
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the truth is there was no policing done. We had,

502
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<v Speaker 2>on our instance, they sent over a cop she had

503
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<v Speaker 2>a tiny little notepad. Uh, you were broken into, no fingerprints,

504
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>We had cameras, they did not ask for footage at all.

505
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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing as far as looking for the actual person.

506
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<v Speaker 2>And then there was one one guy who was arrested,

507
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<v Speaker 2>the one who actually did the break in. One night,

508
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<v Speaker 2>we had seven people break in at once because the

509
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<v Speaker 2>one guy broke in and multiple people came in Patrick

510
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<v Speaker 2>had to go, my husband had to go and find

511
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<v Speaker 2>that person and have choice works because he kept trying

512
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<v Speaker 2>to break in during business hours. Even there's no the

513
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<v Speaker 2>criminals do not fear police, they do not fear repercussions.

514
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<v Speaker 2>And so Patrick and that's you know, he handled it

515
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<v Speaker 2>in a way. He's a pretty intimidating looking guy. And

516
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the other guy didn't come back, but he

517
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<v Speaker 2>even went to the police and was like, I can

518
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<v Speaker 2>show you where he is. And the one that they

519
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<v Speaker 2>they did end up arresting, who truly was mentally ill

520
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 2>and really didn't do a lot of harm. I actually

521
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<v Speaker 2>got a letter last week. It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey,

522
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.759
<v Speaker 2>this guy didn't show up for his court dates, so

523
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<v Speaker 2>we've warrant to you know, we've worn out for his

524
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<v Speaker 2>arrest and if you need anything, called the victim's advocate.

525
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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's like it's just a it's a clown

526
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<v Speaker 2>show the whole thing. You're like, there isn't going to

527
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<v Speaker 2>be justice with the current system that's happening. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>follow through. And yeah, I think you know there is

529
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<v Speaker 2>even down to a point which we talked about earlier,

530
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<v Speaker 2>and apathy that is coming that is so clear from

531
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<v Speaker 2>the police department at this point, because they're humans, and

532
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<v Speaker 2>how many times can you just see the same criminal

533
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<v Speaker 2>release before you're like, what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Hernker back for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>more segments here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to

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<v Speaker 1>get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening

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<v Speaker 1>who might decide to start working on some solution. And

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the ones that they have put in place

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<v Speaker 1>and whether she believes any of them are bearing any

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<v Speaker 1>fruit along the positive lines directions seven thirty nine. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have KRC, the talk station OKAUEH fifty five KRC,

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<v Speaker 1>the talk station bather Time. Tan and I says, it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice day to day, although we get midday storms. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>very likely right through that because the humidity will drop

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the day of going to eight. Are going up

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty three today down to sixty five overnight midty gone.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going a beautiful day tomorrow, eighty degrees with sunny skies,

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<v Speaker 1>overnight low sixty one clear and a partly sunny Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>with a high of eighty degrees seventy five. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>time for a traffic update. Chuck from the.

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<v Speaker 5>UCL Traffic Center, UC Health Weight Will Center offers sergical

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<v Speaker 5>and medical and b city carreen expertise called five one

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<v Speaker 5>three ninety three nine two two sixty three. That's nine

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<v Speaker 5>three nine twenty two sixty three North Bend seventy five.

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<v Speaker 5>You can add an extra three to four minutes out

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<v Speaker 5>of earl Linger into downtown South Pound seventy five Heavy

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<v Speaker 5>gets passed the Reagan Highway on westbound two seventy five.

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<v Speaker 5>No longer a delay between KEW Bogg and for seventy one.

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<v Speaker 5>Chuck Ingram Month fifty five KRC the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRC the talk station

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<v Speaker 1>Brient Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,

564
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<v Speaker 1>murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme

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<v Speaker 1>talking about problems in heroin in the system, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've identified a lot of them. But what about

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<v Speaker 1>the the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community

568
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<v Speaker 1>activism is supposed to be going on, funded by government

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<v Speaker 1>that's to address the problems that we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act Act

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<v Speaker 1>Initiative initiative.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, really passionate, flowy language, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful for the community and that everyone would want. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers that I found is about five and a

579
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<v Speaker 2>half million dollars has been dumped into this program of

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer money, right like, that's everything the government pays for

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<v Speaker 2>is course our money, and there is zero line by

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<v Speaker 2>line on where this money is being spent. We know

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to nonprofits, we know it's going to consultants,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's also no metrics for success attached to it.

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<v Speaker 2>How will you know something is working? Where is the

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<v Speaker 2>transparency on accountability all of this money that's being put

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<v Speaker 2>into giving out sandwiches and hip hop classes, how is

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<v Speaker 2>that deterring gun violence? And how can you prove that

589
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<v Speaker 2>this money being spent is doing exactly what it says

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to be doing, and there just is

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<v Speaker 2>zero follow through, metrics, accountability, transparency, and it extends far

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<v Speaker 2>beyond just the Act initiative. There's really no published data betwind,

593
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<v Speaker 2>spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs that they

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<v Speaker 2>the police have told me this that they just keep

595
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<v Speaker 2>renaming but they already know doesn't work. But they need

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<v Speaker 2>to put money somewhere. And that is a big problem

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<v Speaker 2>is they just keep funding and putting things and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>paying people salaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what

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<v Speaker 1>we brought, you cut the ribbon and then never talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it again.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely no follow through. Do we know what we're

603
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<v Speaker 2>doing is working and this is how we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>measure it and if it's not, then we already have

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<v Speaker 2>a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes you need some trial

606
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<v Speaker 2>and error in order to get things to work, recognize,

607
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<v Speaker 2>but you have to have the accountability and transparency. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is the number one issue that we

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<v Speaker 2>are seeing with our local government is there is zero

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<v Speaker 2>of that. There is zero transparency, there's zero accountability, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are not measuring or tracking and so you might

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<v Speaker 2>even have well intended and good people, but they're not

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<v Speaker 2>competent and enough to measure the outcomes of something because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't exist and they think they're doing a great

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<v Speaker 2>job and they're not. And the results as we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati speak for itself at the crime levels, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever their

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<v Speaker 2>funding is not working.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types

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<v Speaker 1>of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,

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<v Speaker 1>but for but they're still on the upswitch. Yes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not getting better than last year.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting worse, Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>downtown OTR area that is really skyrocketed in crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And destroying what they the very thing that they were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>old enough I worked in over the Rhine of Finley

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<v Speaker 1>Market when I was in late high school in early college.

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<v Speaker 1>That was before any money was in. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just really kind of comparatively a disaster visually, and but honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>there at five o'clock in the morning, and sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>were you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was underage. They didn't really care back then, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>there in different hours, but never I never was concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Parked on the street, walked by myself to my car.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't do that now to save my soul.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then. However, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is because of right the current leadership that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have, and I imagine it is probably having an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>that back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and

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<v Speaker 1>the motive behind it to get young, money earning taxpayers

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<v Speaker 1>to move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because they embrace this sort of liberal philosophy when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have a few more minutes with Sarah Herringer. Take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break.

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<v Speaker 4>Here be right back fifty five KRC. Here's your channel

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<v Speaker 4>nine first one to one forecast. Put a smile on

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<v Speaker 4>your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me mostly Clyde Today we're going to get some

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<v Speaker 1>midday storms which they say are very likely. But rejoice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to just go up to eighty three degrees

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<v Speaker 1>and the humidity is going to be leaving the area today,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. Overnight low sixty five, clear skies, sunny skies,

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow eighty and no more humidity. Overnight low sixty one

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<v Speaker 1>with clear skies and a partly sunny Saturday. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have eighty seventy four degrees right now. Time for traffic

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<v Speaker 1>from the UCL Traffic Center.

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<v Speaker 5>UC Health Weight Loss Center offers surgical and medical OBCD

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<v Speaker 5>care and expertise called five one three, nine three, nine

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<v Speaker 5>two two six three. That's nine three, nine twenty two

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<v Speaker 5>sixty three northbound seventy five break lights continue to build

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<v Speaker 5>an extra five minutes between Donaldson and downtown. I've been

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<v Speaker 5>seventy five getting heavier or coming out of the block

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<v Speaker 5>when split everything clears by the time you get past

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<v Speaker 5>the lateral chuck Ingram on fifty five k the talk

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<v Speaker 5>station be during through.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven fifty one fifty five krs the talk station closing

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<v Speaker 1>out this hour long discussion with Sarah Herringer, the widow

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<v Speaker 1>of Patrick Herringer, and we've been talking about the aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>of the tragedy that happened to their home on June fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>when someone broke into their home in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night, four o'clock in the morning and stabbed her

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<v Speaker 1>late husband to death. And this has given her a

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<v Speaker 1>platform to bring to everyone's attention, most notably those who

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<v Speaker 1>might not be inclined to vote in an election. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>put words in your mouth, but at least you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a position because of this that people are

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to what you're saying. Right, You're a provider

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<v Speaker 1>of valuable information and with the spotlight on you, people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, oh my god. I did not know that

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. I did not know that we had

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<v Speaker 1>no accountability with these programs. I didn't realize the judicial

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<v Speaker 1>system was this broke when we got judges releasing these

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<v Speaker 1>repeat offenders over and over again. So I know my

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<v Speaker 1>listening audience, and I certainly applaud your efforts in doing

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<v Speaker 1>this because, in spite of the tragedy you have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with and continue to cope with, at least you

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<v Speaker 1>have the limelight for a while. Do you think there

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<v Speaker 1>is any possibility as we fast approached the November election,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a complete Democrat council, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that necessarily means that they are against police or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know over the past forty years what has

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<v Speaker 1>happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're down on police numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>We know they didn't get ahead of the police department

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<v Speaker 1>numbers loss. We know that they in some cases maybe

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<v Speaker 1>of allocated resources that should have gone to law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>or public safety in other directions. Do you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>still hope for the city? I mean, would an administration

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<v Speaker 1>change or a shake up and the membership of council

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe the mayor. And I know it's an unlikely

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<v Speaker 1>scenario that the city's going to start, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a seat

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<v Speaker 1>change on council and leadership might help?

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to say yes that a seat change

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<v Speaker 2>would help. I also want to be critical of those

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<v Speaker 2>who just think if we, you know, changed over the

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<v Speaker 2>entire regime, then these problems would just go away overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still power that is being abused. And what's really

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<v Speaker 2>important for people to understand and to learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>navigate when we're intentionally not todd this. As Americans, you

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<v Speaker 2>get a Civics class in ninth grade when you're too

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<v Speaker 2>young and you don't care, and the rest of your

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<v Speaker 2>time is spent on stem. You only learn about the

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<v Speaker 2>political system if you choose to major as a political

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<v Speaker 2>science major. But there needs to be a demand of

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<v Speaker 2>transparency and accountability for whomever is in leadership, and the

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<v Speaker 2>leadership now what they they could change? You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>we go back to cancel culture even it's like, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you give people an opportunity to make changes and

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<v Speaker 2>show us can they or will they? And if they

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<v Speaker 2>won't then yeah, I think that's a pretty good argument

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<v Speaker 2>for getting someone out and giving someone who is saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they're in alignment with your values and want what

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<v Speaker 2>you want a really good chance. And it is the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>you may not get that entirely, and so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we should put all of our eggs in one

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<v Speaker 2>basket of We need a complete new regime, We need

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<v Speaker 2>an entirely new leadership. We also need to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to use our voices to hold those accountable who are there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I

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<v Speaker 1>am take a cheap shot at a have to have

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<v Speaker 1>prowall when he leaves town after knowing full well there

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<v Speaker 1>has been a terribly violent occurrence in the city and

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<v Speaker 1>he decides to leave in the afternoon and go on

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<v Speaker 1>vacation anyway, Yes, I said that out loud. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>putting words in Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>speaks volumes about a failed administration. Sarah. I I am

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<v Speaker 1>a listening audience, and I pray for you, hope you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for your swift recovery in the aftermath. It's very an

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<v Speaker 1>emotional time for you. But again, I really truly applaud

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<v Speaker 1>your efforts and trying to get people engaged and involved.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you could ask something of my listening audience,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what would you say, I mean, be more

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<v Speaker 1>like me and bring this to people's attention, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it more. I mean, any advice or something you would

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<v Speaker 1>ask of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I wouldn't tell them to be more

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<v Speaker 3>like me.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. But these are really important things and people.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that most people are good people. They're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the best that they can. And we all want

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<v Speaker 2>safe you know, safe home, safe communities, a place for

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<v Speaker 2>us to have a good life, for us to create

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits

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<v Speaker 2>of everything that we're working so hard for. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Heringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you continue. You got a good voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You have obviously a lot of respect from a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people generally speaking for what you're doing in the

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<v Speaker 1>courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that

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<v Speaker 1>gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep

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<v Speaker 1>up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need

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<v Speaker 1>a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get additional developments you want to spread farther

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<v Speaker 1>and wider, you are more than welcome to just even

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<v Speaker 1>place a phone call here to the fifty five cares

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<v Speaker 1>More and Shore, or make the trip back in. I

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<v Speaker 1>love having the studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, we'll come anytime.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you, Sarah, take care. Seven fifty seven, right

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<v Speaker 1>after top of the our news, or and hear from

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Frank LeRose he just got back from

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting with Donald Trump regarding election integrity. That plus

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<v Speaker 1>I heard me the aviation expert Jay Ratliff, come on

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<v Speaker 1>bottom the hour at eight thirty. Stick around us. Happens fast,

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<v Speaker 1>stay up to date. At the top of the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be complicated. It's going to go very fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KRC the talk station. This report is