WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:07.280 on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:08.199 What else is going on? 5 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:11.119 So that means that he's judge likes that's been saying 6 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:12.160 by the judge. 7 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:15.919 He goes to prison, then he goes to a. 8 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:21.079 Mental phase of the sentence. The sentencing phase starts. Yeah, right, okay, Well, 9 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.719 what's happening? It doesn't get bigger than debate night in Philadelphia. 10 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.760 Brittany Shepherd with ABC News joins us now from Philadelphia. 11 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:32.640 This is the ABC News presidential debate between Donald Trump 12 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:33.759 and Kamala Harris. 13 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:35.759 Brittany, what's it like there in Philly. 14 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:38.920 I'm right here in the spin room Rive and the 15 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.280 excitement is just pulsing through my vains. 16 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:43.759 Don't know if I've just been drinking coffee since six am. 17 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:45.600 Or I'm just feeding off the energy. 18 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:46.799 What It's tremendous. 19 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.320 It's one of the biggest spin rooms I've ever seen, 20 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:51.920 and I think you can really tell what the stakes 21 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:52.320 are going to. 22 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.079 Be for tonight, Like you guys are gonn me. Tremendous. 23 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.560 This is the first time Donald Trump and Kamala Harris 24 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.880 are actually even meeting face to face. You've seen every 25 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.880 national polls. They're virtually tied, maybe one up one point 26 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.319 in one and one up. 27 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:05.120 One point in the other. 28 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.519 But essentially this is a race that's down to the 29 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.920 wire and then come and there's so much that riots 30 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:13.640 for both of these candidates, and I think we're going 31 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.239 to be seeing that all on display tonight in just 32 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:18.359 ninety minutes of time, packing it all in. 33 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.319 So you're in the spin room, which is where everybody 34 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:25.040 goes after the debate to give us their spin on things. 35 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.879 And I understand that jd Vance is actually was said 36 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:32.239 to be there for Trump, and that it's possible that 37 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.239 Governor Newsom, Gavin Newsom of California will be there on 38 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:36.120 behalf of Harris. 39 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:39.920 Do you have any more on those two, Well, totally. 40 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.560 We definitely know that jd Vance will be here sometime 41 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.519 after the debate wraps, maybe in the eleven PM Eastern hour, 42 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:49.439 trying to make us pitch because like, what was it 43 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.879 their guy, their lady won, right, And that's what you're 44 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.319 going to be hearing for the next couple of days. 45 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:56.680 And I think it'll be really interesting to see how 46 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.959 jd Vance himself after all this scrutiny he's been getting 47 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.280 after Donald Trump himself has said that maybe vice presidential 48 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.439 picks doesn't matter really defines himself. This is a big 49 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.800 deal for both parts of the ticket as well, especially 50 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:10.080 Tim Walls will. 51 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:10.719 Not be in the room. 52 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.000 He has a scent on his own merits and figure 53 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.280 out how he's going to fare with all of these reporters. 54 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.120 Is probably going to be over a thousand reporters trying. 55 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:19.560 To buy for his time. 56 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:21.360 For folks who've ever seen the Spin room. 57 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.080 Before, a bunch of reporters just kind of gaggle around 58 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.879 these surrogates for both campaigns that credit make their pitch. 59 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.599 And I'm sure if we see Gavin Newsom, he's gonna 60 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.280 be making a similar pitch about Kamala Harris that you know, 61 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.759 even though this is the first time that she's taken 62 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.560 on Trump, that she was being able to prosecute the case. 63 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:38.400 So I'm really curious. 64 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.120 I'm sure we're both talking to us at ABC, but 65 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.599 of course all these other local and national affiliates on 66 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.639 you know, how they both pitch the performance, which we 67 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.960 know debates can be really consequential, just as just as 68 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:51.599 President Joe. 69 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:55.120 Biden Brittany, What do we know about these moderators? It's 70 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.159 their first time moderating a presidential debate or no, it 71 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:00.520 is not. 72 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.560 No, No, it's World News Tonight anchor David Mure and 73 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.800 ABC News Live Prime anchor Lindsay Davis. They've done this before, 74 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.039 where they've done primary debates. These are extremely heasyed reporters. 75 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.520 Tool they've ABC and otherwise. 76 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.719 Long story careered careers. You know, they've been prepping, you know, 77 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.240 for weeks, if not months on end. Their entire careers 78 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.120 have been leading up. 79 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.439 To this moment. And we'll see how it all goes 80 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.039 at nine. 81 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.000 But they're totally prepared and ready to facilitate this conversation 82 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:29.719 between Trump and Harris, which I. 83 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.800 Neither e emphasize they've never met before. 84 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.960 Donald Trump was not at the transfer of power in 85 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:39.080 between administration, So we have no idea how they'll interact, right, 86 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.199 what kind of what version of Trump are we going 87 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.560 to see? And how will the moderators interact with that? 88 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.759 How will Harris interact with that? There was a lot 89 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.199 of umbrage about the microphones. I'm sure you guys heard 90 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.159 a little bit about it, because their individual microphones will 91 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.800 be muted when the other one is. 92 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.560 Isn't it true that the that ABC is the worst 93 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.919 net in terms of fairness, and that Kamala Harris's best 94 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.639 friend is one of the heads of the network, and 95 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.520 that they're going to get get the questions in advance 96 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:11.840 to Harris and not Trump. 97 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.600 That's certainly not true, at least from where I stand. 98 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.759 You know, no questions are going to be shared in exvance. 99 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.160 You have two of the most professional journalists I've ever 100 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.279 met in my care career moderating this, and of course 101 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:26.759 is that finely going to be candidates who want to 102 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.560 put their spin right. They wanted temper expectations going into 103 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.199 tonight so that day, if something happens that's not in their. 104 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.959 Favor, they can say, well, these guys weren't for us. 105 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.800 It happens at every level of Eliza with every sort 106 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:39.360 of candidate. 107 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:39.600 Right. 108 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:40.720 Tale is all as time. 109 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:42.399 I'm sure we'll hear it for the next one and 110 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:43.399 the next one after that. 111 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:45.040 But I am really excited to see. 112 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.879 What we're gonna We're going to found a great, great 113 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.639 debate tonight, and I am so curious to hear how 114 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.639 these two candidates pushed on their policy platforms and how 115 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:53.079 they're going. 116 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:54.439 To interact with each other. It is going to be 117 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:56.639 really an exciting thing to witness. 118 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.600 Brittany, My buddy Phil here was just being facetious about that. 119 00:04:59.680 --> 00:04:59.879 Ques. 120 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.160 Oh, I know, I know, Okay, I just was sure 121 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:09.240 that I'm just reading the Trump you know platform, the truth. 122 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.519 Yes, Brittany Shepherd, ABC News, excellent coverage, Appreciate your time. 123 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:14.879 Of course. 124 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.000 Tropical Storm France scene expected to slam Louisiana's coast as 125 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:23.319 a powerful hurricane storm system is anticipated to make landfall 126 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.680 over Louisiana tomorrow. Areas of South Texas already seeing some 127 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:34.639 flooding today as a storm gains strength. Well today, class 128 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.600 was back in session in Georgia. The details about this 129 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.720 family seemingly from hell continue to come out about this 130 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.000 fourteen year old who opened fire at his high school. 131 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.360 Four people killed, more injured. We're learning more about the 132 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.040 parents and what the parents knew. Of course, the father 133 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.519 has been charged and this is well for providing the weapon, 134 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.839 even after the FBI. Local authorities had this kid on 135 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.000 their radar. Derek Dennis from ABC News joins US Now 136 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:06.800 with the latest. 137 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.720 Derek, Yeah, it's. 138 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.759 Such a sordid tale and a tragic one. And beyond 139 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.680 the four people who were tragically killed, the two teachers 140 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.519 and two students, we are learning a lot about the 141 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.480 suspected shooter, fourteen year old Colt Gray, and we're learning 142 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:29.800 it from his own mother. Marcy Gray gave an exclusive 143 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.680 interview to ABC News where she talked about how you 144 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:37.839 know you know her son sent a warning text basically 145 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.519 saying I'm sorry mom the morning of the shooting, and 146 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.120 she saw that immediately alarms went off, and so she 147 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.279 called the school, she said, and alerted them to the 148 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.079 urgent emergency and wanted them to go to her son 149 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.920 right away. And then minutes later the shooting happened. And 150 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.079 you know, she says she hasn't seen her son since 151 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.079 the shooting, hasn't had a chance to talk to him, 152 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.639 but she said if if she did, she would tell 153 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:03.759 him that she loves him and that this is not 154 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:09.240 his fault. Essentially, she's blaming the dad. They're estranged, the 155 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.680 dad and the son were living together. She blamed the 156 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:18.040 dad for allegedly supplying the gun was used in the shooting, 157 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.079 but also just failing to take proper care of the sun. 158 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.040 And she believes that that's what led up to. 159 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.360 The shooting Phil Schumann. 160 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:35.040 Here is a story also breaking today that before the 161 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.279 mom even alerted the school, that the guidance counselors there 162 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.839 had gotten an email from one of his teachers. And 163 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.560 I believe this is only the second day of the 164 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:45.800 school year, got an email from one of his teachers 165 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.680 saying that he was talking about school shootings. So there 166 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.439 were definitely warning signs there, or at least a day in. 167 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.399 Advance, right. 168 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.680 And there was a transfer apparently he was at one 169 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.199 school last semester. This was the start of a new 170 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.040 school year, so he just started at this school, Appalachi 171 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.959 High School in winder Georgia. But there were classmates that 172 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.480 were interviewed who were basically saying that he was a chronic, 173 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.000 you know, absentee student that even at this start of 174 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.240 the school year there was indications of aptis and teaism 175 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.199 and so you know the warning signs, yes, but if 176 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.199 the student's not in school as much, you know, that's 177 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.639 a warning sign as well. But it's also makes it 178 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.159 difficult for school officials to sort of get their hands 179 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.039 on a student and see what's really going on here. 180 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.080 So it seems that there were some points where things 181 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:42.639 were missed. 182 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.200 I read in one of these articles, Derek about that 183 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.720 this kid was actually asking for mental health treatment for 184 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:51.840 a long time. 185 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.159 Yeah, and the mother sort of indicated that as well, 186 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.279 that there was talk about getting him mental health treatment. 187 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.399 But then it, you know, she seemed to indicate, you know, 188 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.759 like all kids, they're doing fine one day and maybe 189 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:10.679 not so fine another day. And so for whatever reason, 190 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.279 that mental health treatment didn't happen, and even she admits 191 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.480 that it probably needed to a long time ago. 192 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.919 It's so awful when you have these stories of people 193 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:27.759 who you know are having problems or even vocal about it, 194 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.919 and the parents know it. And it sounds like from 195 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.559 all intents that the father was kind of, at least 196 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.919 according to the grandfather, that the father was kind of 197 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:37.919 stoking the flames with. 198 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.320 The verbally abusive, physically abusive. 199 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.759 I mean, the mother had multiple arrests, so you know, 200 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.519 if you want to give the kid a break, even 201 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.559 though I'm not inclined to do that, he had two 202 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:49.480 strikes against him. 203 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.519 It seems like, yeah, you didn't have a chance. 204 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.440 Yeah, right, And you know, the father, as you mentioned, 205 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:59.960 is charged with involuntary manslaughter essentially prosecutors saying not only 206 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:05.879 was their neglect, but that he you know, knowingly allowed 207 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.919 his son to possess a weapon, you know, buying him 208 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.519 the gun. And so that charge came pretty quickly. Whether 209 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.080 the mother can face any charges or will be facing 210 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:21.759 any charges, it hasn't happened yet, but it's one thing 211 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.559 that I know investigators are looking at in a number 212 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:30.960 of areas of sort of the breakdown here involving the shooter. 213 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.679 Course again, it's all after the fact, right Hindsight's twenty twenty. 214 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.639 Derek Dennis, ABC News, Thank you so much for joining us. 215 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:42.799 Appreciate your time. Sure all right, coming up next True 216 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.360 Crime Tuesday. But I want to tell you this. The 217 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:49.919 Santiago Peak has just been overrun by fire. All the 218 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:55.080 communication towers they're critical for southern California. They're not all 219 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.360 there anymore though. Some big communications lost with those towers. 220 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:04.600 That is going to be a big deal. Just watching 221 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.360 this thing, have like a time delay camera up there. 222 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:11.399 I just watched the fire creep and creep and creep 223 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.519 up and totally over ran Santiago Peak there in Orange County. 224 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:20.519 We also have some new evacuation orders in place there 225 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:25.519 Tribuco Canyon area. Mandatory orders have been issued for the 226 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:29.279 areas along the Ortega Highway and Casper's Park as well. 227 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:34.440 Evacuation warnings in place for Silverado Canyon and Majesica Canyon, 228 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.080 so we'll stay on top of that as well. Kafin News, 229 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.879 I know Steve Gregory's out there as well. We are 230 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.759 in True Crime Tuesday, and it looks like the true 231 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.519 crime news world is about to get even bigger. 232 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.320 True Crime News, hosted by Anna Garcia, has launched in 233 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.960 Los Angeles four thirty and six thirty on Fox eleven Plus, 234 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.279 also known as KCP Channel thirteen. Anna Garcia, a longtime 235 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.759 Los Angeles space journalist, is the host and apparently this 236 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:07.159 has been so successful in the terms of the podcast world, 237 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.840 Facebook and YouTube that is now on TV. 238 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:10.360 Anna. 239 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:10.960 How are you. 240 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.039 Hey? Phil? How are you hi? Shannon? Hi? 241 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.759 It's so good to hear your voice. 242 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.519 You're taking two things near and dear to our hearts 243 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.919 in Los Angeles, you and true crime right now, which 244 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.879 has just exploded in popularity, and you've put them together 245 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:27.399 for us. 246 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.759 Oh my gosh, Well, thank you for that, Shannon. Yeah. 247 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.919 You know, I've known Phil obviously for a really long 248 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.320 time as street reporters in LA and you know, you 249 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:42.759 cover crime every day. I think, Shannon, what has changed 250 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.840 in our world as far as how we look at 251 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:49.120 true crime is that we're doing these much longer, deeper stories. 252 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.919 And I always say true crime is really it's all 253 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:56.679 about relationships. It's it's like, you know, it's the love 254 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.120 triangle that goes wrong. Of course it's going to go wrong. 255 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.840 What are the chances of a love triangle ending well 256 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:02.440 for anyone? 257 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:04.399 Right, it's how. 258 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.559 We deal with problems in our lives. You're going through 259 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.240 a divorce, a custody battle, you have a secret that's 260 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.240 about to be revealed, you need money. These are the 261 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.679 motives for murder, but everyday people deal with these problems 262 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:18.919 without killing each other. 263 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.720 So what is you've studied the answer to this question? 264 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.519 I presume what is the fascination that some many of 265 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:28.559 us have with these stories. 266 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.320 I think it's that you can relate on one level, 267 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.399 only not to the crime, but to the situation. Right, 268 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.679 We've dealt with divorce, We've dealt with loss, we've dealt 269 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.840 with betrayal, and these are horrible and painful things, but 270 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.519 we don't fix the problem or get revenge by murdering someone. 271 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:57.240 And so when people view these cases, they've experienced something 272 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.320 like this, but then something like I was crazy where 273 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.360 someone two people madly in love, they get married, everything's fantastic, 274 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.440 all of a sudden you want to kill him or her. 275 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.080 And these are the cases that we're hearing about. I 276 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.080 think that's the relatable part. We all have problems, we 277 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.639 all have to deal with them. But most of us, 278 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.480 ninety nine point nine percent of us, don't believe that 279 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.960 murders the solution to our problems. Yet we see case 280 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.279 after case after case where someone thinks, you know what, 281 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.080 this is a good idea, and I'm going to get 282 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.679 away with it. How insane is that? I know? 283 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.000 And it's like people are walking amongst us that think 284 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:36.440 that that's like the best option. 285 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.960 It's just because it happens so much, it's it's odd. 286 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:44.279 And so now you you sat down with John Ramsey, 287 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.480 john Bennet's father. 288 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:47.519 How did that go? 289 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.360 It was so fascinating, Shannon, because I had never met 290 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.399 John Ramsey. Obviously, we all remember the case, and for 291 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.519 those of you who don't, a six year old John 292 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.159 Benny Ran was found murdered in nineteen ninety six on 293 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.039 Christmas Day. It was originally considered a kidnapping because the 294 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.639 first thing the parents say they found was a ransom note, 295 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:13.279 and then she was found murdered in the basement when 296 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.720 they did another search of the house. So that case 297 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:21.480 is thirty years old, and it really was constantly in 298 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:26.200 the news, tabloids, everything you could possibly imagine, and every 299 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.960 little detail was constantly coming out every day while it 300 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.840 was being covered, you know, in real time. Now take 301 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.240 the lens of time. It's thirty years later, and we 302 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.720 still have evidence, according to John Ramsay that has never 303 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:47.279 been tested for DNA and what was tested back in 304 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:52.080 the late nineties. You know that technology has changed significantly. 305 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.840 How is it possible that this case is still unsolved? 306 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:56.759 How is it possible? 307 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.080 I feel? I think it's because there has to be 308 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.600 more testing of the evidence. Look, what if we don't 309 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.879 find anything, Okay, we're no worse off than we are now. 310 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.879 But initially, early on in the investigation, they found the 311 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.080 DNA of an unknown male. Well, now we have the 312 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:21.639 technology to either continue to build out that the DNA 313 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.840 sequence on that particular piece of evidence, and or we 314 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.279 can also add genetic forensics where you can start building 315 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:31.440 family trees and. 316 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.879 Figure out who this person is. 317 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.759 That wasn't available in nineteen ninety six. 318 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.440 It also didn't make matters better that the crime scene 319 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.120 was so botched out of the gate on that one. 320 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.159 So Anna, are you going to be focusing on local 321 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.000 crime stories as well? 322 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.639 Yeah, of course we'll cover some local cases here in 323 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.200 Los Angeles, but it's a national show, so we're really 324 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.679 trying to cover cases everywhere. I think that's really important. 325 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:05.079 And we're also working with our Fox stations, and so 326 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.279 I think there's the possibility to work together on cases. 327 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:12.400 Or perhaps there's a case that's cold in a certain 328 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:17.160 neighborhood or community that maybe hasn't received some national attention, 329 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.240 and maybe that national attention might jar someone's memory if 330 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.519 it's been cold for a while. People move, people change, 331 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.119 things happen, So we're kind of hoping that we can 332 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:28.160 work together that way. 333 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.240 Yeah, it seems like nothing would be worse for a 334 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:35.240 family member than a than a cold case, an unsolved murder. 335 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.680 We have a loved one and you just don't ever 336 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.240 know what happened. That would be so hard to live with. 337 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:43.559 I know, don't you think so? Phil? I mean with 338 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.920 all the reporting you've done, hasn't that always nagged. 339 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:47.680 At you always? 340 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:49.880 I mean, the Ramsey case is probably one of the 341 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.160 most high profile, but I can remember two or three 342 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.200 or four stories locally that I've done over the years 343 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.880 where you talk to the parents and you talk to 344 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.880 family members and there's no arrest and there's no closure, 345 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.920 even though I don't really think closure is a thing, 346 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.960 but that's got to be the most difficult aspect of 347 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:06.480 covering some of these cases. 348 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.559 Is the family's pain, right, I. 349 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.799 Think, so it's horrible not to have an answer and closure. 350 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.680 I agree with you, I don't really think that that exists. 351 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.119 You aim maybe for justice, and even that is really 352 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:25.720 elusive because everyone feels differently about what justice should be. 353 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.839 And I believe that the victims, the survivors, and their 354 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:33.559 families should have a voice in determining what is appropriate justice. 355 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.920 I think their voices need to be heard more in 356 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.559 the criminal justice system. I think that's really important. I 357 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.559 also think that people really do get away with murder, 358 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.279 and they have for a long time. And I think 359 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.720 what we're changing, or we're seeing a change here, is 360 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.000 that because of digital forensics and DNA forensics, it is 361 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.640 getting harder and harder to get away with murder. But 362 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.799 we have these gap decades i'll call them where the 363 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.960 technology really wasn't there yet and maybe people didn't have 364 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.599 cell phones. Those cold cases, I think are really hard 365 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.759 hard to solve unless we retest the evidence and maybe 366 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.519 find some DNA evidence. 367 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.839 Anna Garcia one of the best interviewers I have watched 368 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.680 here in Los Angeles and of course now nationwide true 369 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:28.519 crime News. 370 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:30.319 It debuted yesterday. 371 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:34.160 You can catch it on Channel thirteen here in Los Angeles. Anda, 372 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.240 thanks so much for the time and congratulations. 373 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:36.920 This is awesome. 374 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.640 Oh my gosh, thank you Shannon, and thank you Phil. 375 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.240 I'm huge fans and I respect you so much, so 376 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:45.319 thank you for sharing your time. 377 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:45.680 With me today. 378 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:47.599 All Right, we'll talk to you later. 379 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.079 Ye Okay. 380 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.720 We're in the midst of True Crime Tuesday, and this 381 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.759 story about a guy by the name of Stefan Burjon 382 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.920 is about his life, claiming that he was a true 383 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.599 crime expert. It's kind of like catch me if you can, 384 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:09.720 but with true crime. This was back when true crime 385 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.640 was not a thing. This was back in the nineties 386 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:20.839 where this guy, Stefan was a prolific true crime investigator, author, documentarian, 387 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:24.119 and they say that he really paved the way for 388 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.440 millions of people who had a fascination with the macabre. 389 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:33.079 He released countless books, He produced a bunch of crime series. 390 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:36.799 He was on panels all over the world discussing true 391 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.880 crime from France to the United States. 392 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.480 Yeah, it was like a true crime expert. 393 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:47.519 Right in following the move in the seventies, he was 394 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:52.319 allegedly trained by the FBI and killer profiling. He said 395 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.039 that he had sat down and interviewed as many as 396 00:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.599 seventy seven of the world's deadliest serial murderers. And in fact, 397 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.519 he had a personal connection to true crime because his 398 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:10.880 wife Eileen, was killed viciously before he started his foray 399 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.119 into this world. 400 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.960 Only to find out later that he was making it 401 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.440