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Speaker 2: What else is going on?
Speaker 3: So that means that he's judge likes that's been saying
Speaker 3: by the judge.
Speaker 4: He goes to prison, then he goes to a.
Speaker 1: Mental phase of the sentence. The sentencing phase starts. Yeah, right, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: what's happening? It doesn't get bigger than debate night in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Brittany Shepherd with ABC News joins us now from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: This is the ABC News presidential debate between Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Brittany, what's it like there in Philly.
Speaker 5: I'm right here in the spin room Rive and the
Speaker 5: excitement is just pulsing through my vains.
Speaker 6: Don't know if I've just been drinking coffee since six am.
Speaker 5: Or I'm just feeding off the energy.
Speaker 6: What It's tremendous.
Speaker 5: It's one of the biggest spin rooms I've ever seen,
Speaker 5: and I think you can really tell what the stakes
Speaker 5: are going to.
Speaker 6: Be for tonight, Like you guys are gonn me. Tremendous.
Speaker 5: This is the first time Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: are actually even meeting face to face. You've seen every
Speaker 5: national polls. They're virtually tied, maybe one up one point
Speaker 5: in one and one up.
Speaker 6: One point in the other.
Speaker 5: But essentially this is a race that's down to the
Speaker 5: wire and then come and there's so much that riots
Speaker 5: for both of these candidates, and I think we're going
Speaker 5: to be seeing that all on display tonight in just
Speaker 5: ninety minutes of time, packing it all in.
Speaker 3: So you're in the spin room, which is where everybody
Speaker 3: goes after the debate to give us their spin on things.
Speaker 3: And I understand that jd Vance is actually was said
Speaker 3: to be there for Trump, and that it's possible that
Speaker 3: Governor Newsom, Gavin Newsom of California will be there on
Speaker 3: behalf of Harris.
Speaker 4: Do you have any more on those two, Well, totally.
Speaker 5: We definitely know that jd Vance will be here sometime
Speaker 5: after the debate wraps, maybe in the eleven PM Eastern hour,
Speaker 5: trying to make us pitch because like, what was it
Speaker 5: their guy, their lady won, right, And that's what you're
Speaker 5: going to be hearing for the next couple of days.
Speaker 5: And I think it'll be really interesting to see how
Speaker 5: jd Vance himself after all this scrutiny he's been getting
Speaker 5: after Donald Trump himself has said that maybe vice presidential
Speaker 5: picks doesn't matter really defines himself. This is a big
Speaker 5: deal for both parts of the ticket as well, especially
Speaker 5: Tim Walls will.
Speaker 6: Not be in the room.
Speaker 5: He has a scent on his own merits and figure
Speaker 5: out how he's going to fare with all of these reporters.
Speaker 6: Is probably going to be over a thousand reporters trying.
Speaker 5: To buy for his time.
Speaker 6: For folks who've ever seen the Spin room.
Speaker 5: Before, a bunch of reporters just kind of gaggle around
Speaker 5: these surrogates for both campaigns that credit make their pitch.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure if we see Gavin Newsom, he's gonna
Speaker 5: be making a similar pitch about Kamala Harris that you know,
Speaker 5: even though this is the first time that she's taken
Speaker 5: on Trump, that she was being able to prosecute the case.
Speaker 6: So I'm really curious.
Speaker 5: I'm sure we're both talking to us at ABC, but
Speaker 5: of course all these other local and national affiliates on
Speaker 5: you know, how they both pitch the performance, which we
Speaker 5: know debates can be really consequential, just as just as
Speaker 5: President Joe.
Speaker 1: Biden Brittany, What do we know about these moderators? It's
Speaker 1: their first time moderating a presidential debate or no, it
Speaker 1: is not.
Speaker 5: No, No, it's World News Tonight anchor David Mure and
Speaker 5: ABC News Live Prime anchor Lindsay Davis. They've done this before,
Speaker 5: where they've done primary debates. These are extremely heasyed reporters.
Speaker 6: Tool they've ABC and otherwise.
Speaker 5: Long story careered careers. You know, they've been prepping, you know,
Speaker 5: for weeks, if not months on end. Their entire careers
Speaker 5: have been leading up.
Speaker 6: To this moment. And we'll see how it all goes
Speaker 6: at nine.
Speaker 5: But they're totally prepared and ready to facilitate this conversation
Speaker 5: between Trump and Harris, which I.
Speaker 6: Neither e emphasize they've never met before.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump was not at the transfer of power in
Speaker 5: between administration, So we have no idea how they'll interact, right,
Speaker 5: what kind of what version of Trump are we going
Speaker 5: to see? And how will the moderators interact with that?
Speaker 5: How will Harris interact with that? There was a lot
Speaker 5: of umbrage about the microphones. I'm sure you guys heard
Speaker 5: a little bit about it, because their individual microphones will
Speaker 5: be muted when the other one is.
Speaker 3: Isn't it true that the that ABC is the worst
Speaker 3: net in terms of fairness, and that Kamala Harris's best
Speaker 3: friend is one of the heads of the network, and
Speaker 3: that they're going to get get the questions in advance
Speaker 3: to Harris and not Trump.
Speaker 5: That's certainly not true, at least from where I stand.
Speaker 5: You know, no questions are going to be shared in exvance.
Speaker 5: You have two of the most professional journalists I've ever
Speaker 5: met in my care career moderating this, and of course
Speaker 5: is that finely going to be candidates who want to
Speaker 5: put their spin right. They wanted temper expectations going into
Speaker 5: tonight so that day, if something happens that's not in their.
Speaker 6: Favor, they can say, well, these guys weren't for us.
Speaker 5: It happens at every level of Eliza with every sort
Speaker 5: of candidate.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: Tale is all as time.
Speaker 5: I'm sure we'll hear it for the next one and
Speaker 5: the next one after that.
Speaker 6: But I am really excited to see.
Speaker 5: What we're gonna We're going to found a great, great
Speaker 5: debate tonight, and I am so curious to hear how
Speaker 5: these two candidates pushed on their policy platforms and how
Speaker 5: they're going.
Speaker 6: To interact with each other. It is going to be
Speaker 6: really an exciting thing to witness.
Speaker 1: Brittany, My buddy Phil here was just being facetious about that.
Speaker 4: Ques.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, I know, Okay, I just was sure
Speaker 3: that I'm just reading the Trump you know platform, the truth.
Speaker 1: Yes, Brittany Shepherd, ABC News, excellent coverage, Appreciate your time.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 1: Tropical Storm France scene expected to slam Louisiana's coast as
Speaker 1: a powerful hurricane storm system is anticipated to make landfall
Speaker 1: over Louisiana tomorrow. Areas of South Texas already seeing some
Speaker 1: flooding today as a storm gains strength. Well today, class
Speaker 1: was back in session in Georgia. The details about this
Speaker 1: family seemingly from hell continue to come out about this
Speaker 1: fourteen year old who opened fire at his high school.
Speaker 1: Four people killed, more injured. We're learning more about the
Speaker 1: parents and what the parents knew. Of course, the father
Speaker 1: has been charged and this is well for providing the weapon,
Speaker 1: even after the FBI. Local authorities had this kid on
Speaker 1: their radar. Derek Dennis from ABC News joins US Now
Speaker 1: with the latest.
Speaker 4: Derek, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 8: Such a sordid tale and a tragic one. And beyond
Speaker 8: the four people who were tragically killed, the two teachers
Speaker 8: and two students, we are learning a lot about the
Speaker 8: suspected shooter, fourteen year old Colt Gray, and we're learning
Speaker 8: it from his own mother. Marcy Gray gave an exclusive
Speaker 8: interview to ABC News where she talked about how you
Speaker 8: know you know her son sent a warning text basically
Speaker 8: saying I'm sorry mom the morning of the shooting, and
Speaker 8: she saw that immediately alarms went off, and so she
Speaker 8: called the school, she said, and alerted them to the
Speaker 8: urgent emergency and wanted them to go to her son
Speaker 8: right away. And then minutes later the shooting happened. And
Speaker 8: you know, she says she hasn't seen her son since
Speaker 8: the shooting, hasn't had a chance to talk to him,
Speaker 8: but she said if if she did, she would tell
Speaker 8: him that she loves him and that this is not
Speaker 8: his fault. Essentially, she's blaming the dad. They're estranged, the
Speaker 8: dad and the son were living together. She blamed the
Speaker 8: dad for allegedly supplying the gun was used in the shooting,
Speaker 8: but also just failing to take proper care of the sun.
Speaker 8: And she believes that that's what led up to.
Speaker 4: The shooting Phil Schumann.
Speaker 3: Here is a story also breaking today that before the
Speaker 3: mom even alerted the school, that the guidance counselors there
Speaker 3: had gotten an email from one of his teachers. And
Speaker 3: I believe this is only the second day of the
Speaker 3: school year, got an email from one of his teachers
Speaker 3: saying that he was talking about school shootings. So there
Speaker 3: were definitely warning signs there, or at least a day in.
Speaker 4: Advance, right.
Speaker 8: And there was a transfer apparently he was at one
Speaker 8: school last semester. This was the start of a new
Speaker 8: school year, so he just started at this school, Appalachi
Speaker 8: High School in winder Georgia. But there were classmates that
Speaker 8: were interviewed who were basically saying that he was a chronic,
Speaker 8: you know, absentee student that even at this start of
Speaker 8: the school year there was indications of aptis and teaism
Speaker 8: and so you know the warning signs, yes, but if
Speaker 8: the student's not in school as much, you know, that's
Speaker 8: a warning sign as well. But it's also makes it
Speaker 8: difficult for school officials to sort of get their hands
Speaker 8: on a student and see what's really going on here.
Speaker 8: So it seems that there were some points where things
Speaker 8: were missed.
Speaker 1: I read in one of these articles, Derek about that
Speaker 1: this kid was actually asking for mental health treatment for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the mother sort of indicated that as well,
Speaker 8: that there was talk about getting him mental health treatment.
Speaker 8: But then it, you know, she seemed to indicate, you know,
Speaker 8: like all kids, they're doing fine one day and maybe
Speaker 8: not so fine another day. And so for whatever reason,
Speaker 8: that mental health treatment didn't happen, and even she admits
Speaker 8: that it probably needed to a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It's so awful when you have these stories of people
Speaker 1: who you know are having problems or even vocal about it,
Speaker 1: and the parents know it. And it sounds like from
Speaker 1: all intents that the father was kind of, at least
Speaker 1: according to the grandfather, that the father was kind of
Speaker 1: stoking the flames with.
Speaker 4: The verbally abusive, physically abusive.
Speaker 3: I mean, the mother had multiple arrests, so you know,
Speaker 3: if you want to give the kid a break, even
Speaker 3: though I'm not inclined to do that, he had two
Speaker 3: strikes against him.
Speaker 2: It seems like, yeah, you didn't have a chance.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, And you know, the father, as you mentioned,
Speaker 8: is charged with involuntary manslaughter essentially prosecutors saying not only
Speaker 8: was their neglect, but that he you know, knowingly allowed
Speaker 8: his son to possess a weapon, you know, buying him
Speaker 8: the gun. And so that charge came pretty quickly. Whether
Speaker 8: the mother can face any charges or will be facing
Speaker 8: any charges, it hasn't happened yet, but it's one thing
Speaker 8: that I know investigators are looking at in a number
Speaker 8: of areas of sort of the breakdown here involving the shooter.
Speaker 3: Course again, it's all after the fact, right Hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Derek Dennis, ABC News, Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Sure all right, coming up next True
Speaker 1: Crime Tuesday. But I want to tell you this. The
Speaker 1: Santiago Peak has just been overrun by fire. All the
Speaker 1: communication towers they're critical for southern California. They're not all
Speaker 1: there anymore though. Some big communications lost with those towers.
Speaker 1: That is going to be a big deal. Just watching
Speaker 1: this thing, have like a time delay camera up there.
Speaker 1: I just watched the fire creep and creep and creep
Speaker 1: up and totally over ran Santiago Peak there in Orange County.
Speaker 1: We also have some new evacuation orders in place there
Speaker 1: Tribuco Canyon area. Mandatory orders have been issued for the
Speaker 1: areas along the Ortega Highway and Casper's Park as well.
Speaker 1: Evacuation warnings in place for Silverado Canyon and Majesica Canyon,
Speaker 1: so we'll stay on top of that as well. Kafin News,
Speaker 1: I know Steve Gregory's out there as well. We are
Speaker 1: in True Crime Tuesday, and it looks like the true
Speaker 1: crime news world is about to get even bigger.
Speaker 3: True Crime News, hosted by Anna Garcia, has launched in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles four thirty and six thirty on Fox eleven Plus,
Speaker 3: also known as KCP Channel thirteen. Anna Garcia, a longtime
Speaker 3: Los Angeles space journalist, is the host and apparently this
Speaker 3: has been so successful in the terms of the podcast world,
Speaker 3: Facebook and YouTube that is now on TV.
Speaker 8: Anna.
Speaker 4: How are you.
Speaker 7: Hey? Phil? How are you hi? Shannon? Hi?
Speaker 2: It's so good to hear your voice.
Speaker 1: You're taking two things near and dear to our hearts
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, you and true crime right now, which
Speaker 1: has just exploded in popularity, and you've put them together
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, Well, thank you for that, Shannon. Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, I've known Phil obviously for a really long
Speaker 7: time as street reporters in LA and you know, you
Speaker 7: cover crime every day. I think, Shannon, what has changed
Speaker 7: in our world as far as how we look at
Speaker 7: true crime is that we're doing these much longer, deeper stories.
Speaker 7: And I always say true crime is really it's all
Speaker 7: about relationships. It's it's like, you know, it's the love
Speaker 7: triangle that goes wrong. Of course it's going to go wrong.
Speaker 7: What are the chances of a love triangle ending well
Speaker 7: for anyone?
Speaker 6: Right, it's how.
Speaker 7: We deal with problems in our lives. You're going through
Speaker 7: a divorce, a custody battle, you have a secret that's
Speaker 7: about to be revealed, you need money. These are the
Speaker 7: motives for murder, but everyday people deal with these problems
Speaker 7: without killing each other.
Speaker 3: So what is you've studied the answer to this question?
Speaker 3: I presume what is the fascination that some many of
Speaker 3: us have with these stories.
Speaker 7: I think it's that you can relate on one level,
Speaker 7: only not to the crime, but to the situation. Right,
Speaker 7: We've dealt with divorce, We've dealt with loss, we've dealt
Speaker 7: with betrayal, and these are horrible and painful things, but
Speaker 7: we don't fix the problem or get revenge by murdering someone.
Speaker 7: And so when people view these cases, they've experienced something
Speaker 7: like this, but then something like I was crazy where
Speaker 7: someone two people madly in love, they get married, everything's fantastic,
Speaker 7: all of a sudden you want to kill him or her.
Speaker 7: And these are the cases that we're hearing about. I
Speaker 7: think that's the relatable part. We all have problems, we
Speaker 7: all have to deal with them. But most of us,
Speaker 7: ninety nine point nine percent of us, don't believe that
Speaker 7: murders the solution to our problems. Yet we see case
Speaker 7: after case after case where someone thinks, you know what,
Speaker 7: this is a good idea, and I'm going to get
Speaker 7: away with it. How insane is that? I know?
Speaker 1: And it's like people are walking amongst us that think
Speaker 1: that that's like the best option.
Speaker 2: It's just because it happens so much, it's it's odd.
Speaker 1: And so now you you sat down with John Ramsey,
Speaker 1: john Bennet's father.
Speaker 2: How did that go?
Speaker 7: It was so fascinating, Shannon, because I had never met
Speaker 7: John Ramsey. Obviously, we all remember the case, and for
Speaker 7: those of you who don't, a six year old John
Speaker 7: Benny Ran was found murdered in nineteen ninety six on
Speaker 7: Christmas Day. It was originally considered a kidnapping because the
Speaker 7: first thing the parents say they found was a ransom note,
Speaker 7: and then she was found murdered in the basement when
Speaker 7: they did another search of the house. So that case
Speaker 7: is thirty years old, and it really was constantly in
Speaker 7: the news, tabloids, everything you could possibly imagine, and every
Speaker 7: little detail was constantly coming out every day while it
Speaker 7: was being covered, you know, in real time. Now take
Speaker 7: the lens of time. It's thirty years later, and we
Speaker 7: still have evidence, according to John Ramsay that has never
Speaker 7: been tested for DNA and what was tested back in
Speaker 7: the late nineties. You know that technology has changed significantly.
Speaker 7: How is it possible that this case is still unsolved?
Speaker 4: How is it possible?
Speaker 7: I feel? I think it's because there has to be
Speaker 7: more testing of the evidence. Look, what if we don't
Speaker 7: find anything, Okay, we're no worse off than we are now.
Speaker 7: But initially, early on in the investigation, they found the
Speaker 7: DNA of an unknown male. Well, now we have the
Speaker 7: technology to either continue to build out that the DNA
Speaker 7: sequence on that particular piece of evidence, and or we
Speaker 7: can also add genetic forensics where you can start building
Speaker 7: family trees and.
Speaker 6: Figure out who this person is.
Speaker 7: That wasn't available in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: It also didn't make matters better that the crime scene
Speaker 1: was so botched out of the gate on that one.
Speaker 1: So Anna, are you going to be focusing on local
Speaker 1: crime stories as well?
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course we'll cover some local cases here in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles, but it's a national show, so we're really
Speaker 7: trying to cover cases everywhere. I think that's really important.
Speaker 7: And we're also working with our Fox stations, and so
Speaker 7: I think there's the possibility to work together on cases.
Speaker 7: Or perhaps there's a case that's cold in a certain
Speaker 7: neighborhood or community that maybe hasn't received some national attention,
Speaker 7: and maybe that national attention might jar someone's memory if
Speaker 7: it's been cold for a while. People move, people change,
Speaker 7: things happen, So we're kind of hoping that we can
Speaker 7: work together that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like nothing would be worse for a
Speaker 3: family member than a than a cold case, an unsolved murder.
Speaker 3: We have a loved one and you just don't ever
Speaker 3: know what happened. That would be so hard to live with.
Speaker 7: I know, don't you think so? Phil? I mean with
Speaker 7: all the reporting you've done, hasn't that always nagged.
Speaker 4: At you always?
Speaker 3: I mean, the Ramsey case is probably one of the
Speaker 3: most high profile, but I can remember two or three
Speaker 3: or four stories locally that I've done over the years
Speaker 3: where you talk to the parents and you talk to
Speaker 3: family members and there's no arrest and there's no closure,
Speaker 3: even though I don't really think closure is a thing,
Speaker 3: but that's got to be the most difficult aspect of
Speaker 3: covering some of these cases.
Speaker 4: Is the family's pain, right, I.
Speaker 7: Think, so it's horrible not to have an answer and closure.
Speaker 7: I agree with you, I don't really think that that exists.
Speaker 7: You aim maybe for justice, and even that is really
Speaker 7: elusive because everyone feels differently about what justice should be.
Speaker 7: And I believe that the victims, the survivors, and their
Speaker 7: families should have a voice in determining what is appropriate justice.
Speaker 7: I think their voices need to be heard more in
Speaker 7: the criminal justice system. I think that's really important. I
Speaker 7: also think that people really do get away with murder,
Speaker 7: and they have for a long time. And I think
Speaker 7: what we're changing, or we're seeing a change here, is
Speaker 7: that because of digital forensics and DNA forensics, it is
Speaker 7: getting harder and harder to get away with murder. But
Speaker 7: we have these gap decades i'll call them where the
Speaker 7: technology really wasn't there yet and maybe people didn't have
Speaker 7: cell phones. Those cold cases, I think are really hard
Speaker 7: hard to solve unless we retest the evidence and maybe
Speaker 7: find some DNA evidence.
Speaker 1: Anna Garcia one of the best interviewers I have watched
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles and of course now nationwide true
Speaker 1: crime News.
Speaker 2: It debuted yesterday.
Speaker 1: You can catch it on Channel thirteen here in Los Angeles. Anda,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time and congratulations.
Speaker 2: This is awesome.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, thank you Shannon, and thank you Phil.
Speaker 7: I'm huge fans and I respect you so much, so
Speaker 7: thank you for sharing your time.
Speaker 3: With me today.
Speaker 4: All Right, we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2: Ye Okay.
Speaker 1: We're in the midst of True Crime Tuesday, and this
Speaker 1: story about a guy by the name of Stefan Burjon
Speaker 1: is about his life, claiming that he was a true
Speaker 1: crime expert. It's kind of like catch me if you can,
Speaker 1: but with true crime. This was back when true crime
Speaker 1: was not a thing. This was back in the nineties
Speaker 1: where this guy, Stefan was a prolific true crime investigator, author, documentarian,
Speaker 1: and they say that he really paved the way for
Speaker 1: millions of people who had a fascination with the macabre.
Speaker 1: He released countless books, He produced a bunch of crime series.
Speaker 1: He was on panels all over the world discussing true
Speaker 1: crime from France to the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a true crime expert.
Speaker 1: Right in following the move in the seventies, he was
Speaker 1: allegedly trained by the FBI and killer profiling. He said
Speaker 1: that he had sat down and interviewed as many as
Speaker 1: seventy seven of the world's deadliest serial murderers. And in fact,
Speaker 1: he had a personal connection to true crime because his
Speaker 1: wife Eileen, was killed viciously before he started his foray
Speaker 1: into this world.
Speaker 2: Only to find out later that he was making it
Speaker 2: all up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until he had been in business for more
Speaker 1: than thirty years that a handful of his most devout
Speaker 1: followers began to notice inconsistencies and some of his claims.
Speaker 1: So they bound together online. They dubbed themselves the Fourth
Speaker 1: Eye Corporation, a play on one of this guy's own
Speaker 1: self owned bookshops, the Third Eye. And it turns out
Speaker 1: that his sycophants, the people that just ate up with
Speaker 1: a spoon everything he had to say about true crime.
Speaker 1: They turned on him and decided to band together to
Speaker 1: expose him.
Speaker 2: For his lies, and they did. Okay, the murder of
Speaker 2: the wife.
Speaker 1: By the way, First of all, he had stolen the
Speaker 1: badge that he received from the FBI, the T shirt
Speaker 1: that said FBI on it, He had that made. He
Speaker 1: was never trained by the FBI. The interviews he claimed
Speaker 1: to have done never done. This guy was a total psychopath.
Speaker 1: And about that murder of his wife, they said that
Speaker 1: he claimed that he arrived home from work and found
Speaker 1: her raped and mutilated and murdered body in their home.
Speaker 1: Claimed she had been killed by a serial killer who
Speaker 1: was currently on death row at the time.
Speaker 2: Had even a picture, a black.
Speaker 1: And white photo of him holding her in his arms
Speaker 1: on one of the popular crime documentaries that talked about
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 3: And so the reason this is all coming late now
Speaker 3: is it apparently National Geographic has done a documentary on
Speaker 3: this called Killer Lies Chasing.
Speaker 4: A True Crime con Man.
Speaker 3: So explores how he got away with telling all these
Speaker 3: lives for so long, And it's partly what we were
Speaker 3: talking about in the previous thing with Antagarcia, because people
Speaker 3: are so fascinated with this they're willing to follow anything.
Speaker 1: There was no record of the woman being murdered by
Speaker 1: the way, right, There was no record of that man
Speaker 1: that was on death row serving time for killing all
Speaker 1: the people this guy claimed he killed. It turns out
Speaker 1: that that picture of him hold, the black and white
Speaker 1: picture of him holding the woman, it was actually a
Speaker 1: Spanish actress that he worked producing B movies with prior
Speaker 1: to his career in true crime.
Speaker 2: So it was all made up. The dead one even.
Speaker 3: Say to inch View Charles Manson at one point, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's a documentary if you want, if you want,
Speaker 3: if you have crimes about crime, lying about true crime
Speaker 3: is another subgenre of the true crime fascination, right, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I'm not a true crime watcher
Speaker 3: per se, like some people are, you know, they watch Dateline, that'll,
Speaker 3: they'll watch that Antagarcia show, the podcasts, all the Facebook pages,
Speaker 3: the web pages.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems like if you live in that world, you're
Speaker 3: you're always thinking, you know, depressing thoughts.
Speaker 1: Well, I read an article about consumed by violence, and
Speaker 1: women are particularly fascinated because if you go back, we've
Speaker 1: always tried.
Speaker 2: Just not to be killed.
Speaker 1: Apparently, you know, you go back to the cave days,
Speaker 1: and you know it's protecting your own personal security and
Speaker 1: you want to know what happened to other women so
Speaker 1: that you can be on guard to prevent that from hearingty.
Speaker 4: It makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, well on that happy note, all right, I'm
Speaker 3: still thinking what a t minus?
Speaker 4: How many hours?
Speaker 3: Five hours to the ABC News presidential debate, and so
Speaker 3: what was what was my prediction from earlier?
Speaker 2: You say that she's going to kill it?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be decisive victory.
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