Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Josh and Jason Monday
Speaker 1: Christian and conspiracy podcast show. I am your host, Josh Monday.
Speaker 1: If you don't know me, I'm a Christian rapper, devoted husband, father,
Speaker 1: an army veteran. Like they introduced you to my co host,
Speaker 1: He's a Christian, devoted husband and father.
Speaker 2: What's up, Jason?
Speaker 3: How's it going?
Speaker 4: Brother? What's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
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Speaker 1: Awesome Jason's Jason's a coach right now, and it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing pictures on Instagram of Jason with his son
Speaker 1: and it just smelts my heart man.
Speaker 2: To see that. It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's only nine, but we're trying to make him
Speaker 4: a new man.
Speaker 1: Alrighty early, all right, guys, we have an awesome, amazing
Speaker 1: show for you guys today. It's going to be a
Speaker 1: revelation roundtable and times, and we have some amazing, amazing guests. Okay,
Speaker 1: all of them should be on Mount Crushmore. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we have First of all, we have the author of
Speaker 1: Genesis sixth Conspiracy. He's been on our show four times.
Speaker 1: You guys already know him. He needs no introduction, but
Speaker 1: he is also Mount Crushmore for sure.
Speaker 2: Gary, Wayne. How's it going, Gary?
Speaker 4: Doing very well? And thank you for inviting me back
Speaker 4: to your show and also to join such a prestigious
Speaker 4: and awesome set. A host, it's and guests. It's it's
Speaker 4: gonna be fun tonight.
Speaker 1: This is like the skull and bones of the of
Speaker 1: the Secret Society, prestigious Yale.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: No, all right, guys, here we go.
Speaker 1: So we have also second up, we have the host
Speaker 1: of Bible Mysteries and he is also working on a
Speaker 1: book right now. Future author of the world. That was
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell. How's it going, brother.
Speaker 5: Great to see again, Josh, thanks for having me. Great
Speaker 5: to see you, Jason.
Speaker 6: Yeah, going to meet you, man, I'm glad to I'm
Speaker 6: glad to meet you. And Ryan always a pleasure to
Speaker 6: meet She's always a pleasure to see you too.
Speaker 3: So excited. Well, I'm I'd like to see my faces.
Speaker 6: Like a happy yeah on all you guys.
Speaker 2: This is awesome, all right.
Speaker 1: So and third up, okay, guys, we have the author
Speaker 1: of Judgment of the Nephilium, which is going to be
Speaker 1: right here, so if you guys ever look it up
Speaker 1: on Amazon. And then we also have his second book,
Speaker 1: The Final Nephileume, Ryan Pitterson. He's also Mount Crushmore and
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell is going to be Mount Crushmore as well too.
Speaker 2: So what's up Ryan, how's.
Speaker 3: It going doing great? Everything's going really well, Josh Jason,
Speaker 3: thanks for having me back on Gary. Great to see you, Scott,
Speaker 3: great to see you. I'm just as excited as you are,
Speaker 3: trusting this is gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure I connect Ryan with Gary,
Speaker 1: and I also want to thank you Ryan for connecting
Speaker 1: me with Scott. I really appreciate that, and now I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it sious. And I wanted to connect Ryan
Speaker 1: and Gary together because i'd like to see Gary on
Speaker 1: your Thursday Theology show. You guys should check that out
Speaker 1: on a YouTube and it's it's awesome. So all right,
Speaker 1: So guys, so I want to we want to get
Speaker 1: in some end time stuff and I think this is
Speaker 1: a perfect cast to get into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we have I had.
Speaker 1: A roundtable, you know, just a while back, like last month,
Speaker 1: and I just I want to try to do this
Speaker 1: once in a while, just get these all star cast
Speaker 1: together and have them go over stuff. So because people
Speaker 1: like myself, I mean, I try to do my best
Speaker 1: to understand that revelation or end times and and and
Speaker 1: you know, I try to do my best. But I
Speaker 1: think these guys have done some awesome, amazing research and
Speaker 1: they're veterans in this game, and me and Jason are
Speaker 1: just getting our.
Speaker 2: Feet wet, I believe.
Speaker 1: So I we like to go over some First of all,
Speaker 1: I like to say the revelation. You know, the author
Speaker 1: of Revelation Okay, I believe personally some people would say,
Speaker 1: like Saint John.
Speaker 2: I believe, you know, John is the author.
Speaker 1: He did describe it, but I believe that Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: is the author of this book. Okay, guys, So we'd
Speaker 1: like to give all glory to God obviously John.
Speaker 2: He also says it in Revelation h. One nine through eleven.
Speaker 1: He says, I John, both your brother and companion, and
Speaker 1: the tribulation and the kingdom and patience to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: So basically, I think what he's saying there is he's
Speaker 1: a brother in Christ like like we are, okay, and
Speaker 1: he's he's describing this book, you know, and thank you
Speaker 1: for him doing that.
Speaker 2: But we need to give all glory to God for this. Okay.
Speaker 1: So first of all, guys, what is the you know,
Speaker 1: the next event that you guys believe is going to happen,
Speaker 1: you know, in the end times? I mean I like
Speaker 1: to do like a whole timeline, but what do you
Speaker 1: guys believe is the next event.
Speaker 2: To happen for the church or for for for us
Speaker 2: or for the world. We'll say it that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with uh, well we'll start with you Scott,
Speaker 1: since he spoke up, go ahead, what do you you know?
Speaker 5: The world events are a clearly to me pointing to
Speaker 5: the end times. So I think we're already starting. And
Speaker 5: if you want to talk about the just current events
Speaker 5: and things like that, but I guess in my mind
Speaker 5: of the timeline, one thing that needs to take place
Speaker 5: is rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem. And I don't know
Speaker 5: if that has to happen before the rapture, after the
Speaker 5: rapture for those that teach the rapture, and it certainly
Speaker 5: it could happen miraculously rather.
Speaker 3: Than through conventional means.
Speaker 5: But I see that as a key point the reunitation
Speaker 5: of sacrifices, because that, for me, would begin the prophetic
Speaker 5: timetable of Daniel seventieth the week.
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, And Gary would and Ryan would you guys?
Speaker 1: Would you guys have anything to add to that? What
Speaker 1: do you guys believe? Either one? Ryan, go ahead, you
Speaker 1: could go first?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Yeah, I agree with Scott. I think definitely
Speaker 3: the I definitely believe there will be a third Temple
Speaker 3: and that it is basically kind of a time marker
Speaker 3: of the seventieth week, right that that prophecy of Daniel
Speaker 3: chapter nine is to me, it's all about temples. It's
Speaker 3: really explaining the second Temple and the third Temple to
Speaker 3: come in the great Tribulation that I think will be
Speaker 3: set up really for the worship of Antichrist, for the
Speaker 3: bombnation of desolation. So yeah, I think that has to happen.
Speaker 3: And also, you know, you know, I'm a pre tribulation
Speaker 3: rapture believer. I'm pre millennial. However, I take a little
Speaker 3: bit of a different position on the timeline because I
Speaker 3: believe that the first five seals of Revelation Chapter six
Speaker 3: have already been opened. So with that, where we see wars,
Speaker 3: rumors of wars, pestilence, pandemic, all those things, I believe
Speaker 3: that those are the birth pangings Jesus spoke about in
Speaker 3: Matthew twenty four. And the fifth seal in particular or
Speaker 3: is focused on the persecution of the saints, and I
Speaker 3: believe that's something that we see happening. We don't see
Speaker 3: it in America. We talk about martyrs, but we know
Speaker 3: that in restricted nations we're talking about North Korea, Eritrea.
Speaker 3: There are numerous nations right now we have brothers and
Speaker 3: sisters who are in prison, who are killed for their faith, tortured,
Speaker 3: even though we don't experience it here yet. So I
Speaker 3: think that as that increases, that will, I think, from
Speaker 3: a timeline standpoint, have to ramp up to reach a
Speaker 3: point where God says that, you know, as God tells
Speaker 3: those martyrs under the altar, wait just a little while longer,
Speaker 3: and then he is going to unleash his indignation and
Speaker 3: initiate I believe the great supulation of the six sealed.
Speaker 2: So you believe that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the first seal, guys would be like the
Speaker 1: white horse, right, the second would be the red horse,
Speaker 1: the third would be the black horse, fourth would be
Speaker 1: a pale white.
Speaker 3: Horse, right.
Speaker 1: So so you believe that the first five are done, right,
Speaker 1: so that'd be the four horsemen right, based of the apocalypse.
Speaker 1: And then the fifth seal is soul's crying from the altar,
Speaker 1: So you believe that that that one has already happened
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because that that's when you look at the
Speaker 3: fifth seal, that's the one seal that's linked to time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The martyrs ask God, how much longer? How much longer
Speaker 3: until you avenge us? So they're asking God, when are
Speaker 3: you going to finally judge the earth? So it's all
Speaker 3: time based and God tells them until the number of
Speaker 3: your fellow servants is fulfilled. So I read that as
Speaker 3: God saying that God has a number. I feel that
Speaker 3: God is always God always has a threshold, right.
Speaker 6: And it's a gentile like like like there's there's there's
Speaker 6: a like a gentile that a number of the gentiles
Speaker 6: have to be saved before Jesus comes back as well?
Speaker 6: Could that be as well?
Speaker 3: Or I actually believe it's a number of Christians who
Speaker 3: have to be killed. Yeah, what he's saying is that
Speaker 3: the number of being fulfilled is the number of martyrs marty.
Speaker 3: I agree. Last, there's a number that God has in
Speaker 3: God saying it's almost like when God told Abraham about
Speaker 3: the Amalekites that in the fourth generation he'll judge them.
Speaker 3: That God knows he has thresholds sodom and goodmore, their
Speaker 3: sins were crying out to Heaven that God had to
Speaker 3: come down once their sins got so high that God
Speaker 3: so that I believe also that God's telling those martyrs.
Speaker 3: Once the number I have of martyrs is reached in
Speaker 3: the church, then I will initiate the judgment.
Speaker 2: M Well, I have a question, Uh can I Well,
Speaker 2: let let me have Gary do that real quick. Jason,
Speaker 2: before you asked that question.
Speaker 4: I won't be quick. So he's got a quick question
Speaker 4: to let him in, but.
Speaker 3: My question might take a while.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, let's let's uh what just how Gary
Speaker 1: go over that first so we can see where they're at,
Speaker 1: you know, and go ahead, Gary.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, a lot of good stuff covered there, I
Speaker 4: would say from my perspective and it's going to be
Speaker 4: a little bit different in a few areas, I think,
Speaker 4: But that's the fun of eschatology is is exchanging ideas
Speaker 4: and trying to get things a little bit closer to
Speaker 4: to what sort of makes sense. And so I definitely
Speaker 4: think we're in the fig tree generation, and I definitely
Speaker 4: think that we're in the beginning of sorrows. I don't
Speaker 4: believe we're quite yet at the seal openings yet, because
Speaker 4: the beginning of sorrows are the four catastrophes that are listed.
Speaker 4: I think everybody knows that, but for the audience, it's earthquakes,
Speaker 4: it's wars and rumors of wars. It's pestilence, and it's famine,
Speaker 4: and they get stronger as those birth pangs unfold, and
Speaker 4: we'll get stronger. So I think we're seeing those birth
Speaker 4: PAGs today. We have some pestilence. We're starting to see
Speaker 4: some of the wars and the rumors of wars, as
Speaker 4: we see a jockeying of position for the world government
Speaker 4: or the ten king empires that are setting up. We're
Speaker 4: seeing that with the Ukraine War, we see that was
Speaker 4: trying to get his empire going. We're going to see
Speaker 4: more of that. So as we move forward, did you
Speaker 4: get into the Book of Revelations and the seals, you
Speaker 4: get a twenty five percent destruction rate, kill rate of everything.
Speaker 4: And we're not there yet. We haven't seen that. I
Speaker 4: think we're in. And those are the same catastrophes, by
Speaker 4: the way, that are in the Sorrows, just as it's
Speaker 4: the same catastrophes and the trumps that are thirty three percent,
Speaker 4: and then in the bolts of wrath that would be
Speaker 4: one hundred percent if Jesus didn't step in beforehand. So
Speaker 4: having said that, then what would be the next event?
Speaker 4: Which was the question that was being posed. And I
Speaker 4: would say that to have the sacrifice to begin on
Speaker 4: an extremity, an overspreading, or a wing of the temple,
Speaker 4: depending on which translation that you're looking at, you're going
Speaker 4: to need something extraordinary to happen. So that's essential for
Speaker 4: the start of the last seven years. But I think
Speaker 4: you have to have world government, and I think you
Speaker 4: have to have and the world government is in the
Speaker 4: ten king Empires show up. And I think you need
Speaker 4: a religion that's universal that's not Muslim, because Muslims under
Speaker 4: any conditions aren't going to permit the people of Judah
Speaker 4: to do their sacrifice on the temple. But this is
Speaker 4: going to be on a wing of the temple by
Speaker 4: the sounds of it, So it could be an extension
Speaker 4: that's closer to the edge of the valley in between
Speaker 4: the two mountains there where Josephas actually locates the temple.
Speaker 4: So there might be a wing that's put on. But
Speaker 4: you need that universal religion, and we need to see
Speaker 4: that happen sooner, and so we're going to see an
Speaker 4: increase in tribulation as we go through this. So just
Speaker 4: as Revelation two eight to ten talks about ten days
Speaker 4: of tribulation, we're going to see that tribulation wrap up.
Speaker 4: If that's the same prophetic allegory as the week of years,
Speaker 4: then those are ten years of tribulation. And if you
Speaker 4: look at that word of fliction that happens in Matthew
Speaker 4: twenty four, verse eight, I think it is you have
Speaker 4: the word of fliction there that goes back to the
Speaker 4: Greek word philippies, and it's the same word that's use
Speaker 4: for tribulation both in Revelation later in the second half
Speaker 4: of the Oration by Jesus, and then it flips around
Speaker 4: between Mark and Matthew, where Mark will call affliction the
Speaker 4: great tribulation and Matthew will call it the tribulation or
Speaker 4: the great tribulation. They all go back to that Greek
Speaker 4: word philippies. And so you have a tribulation that's going
Speaker 4: to happen before the last seven years if we add
Speaker 4: or subtract. If we take ten years and tract seven,
Speaker 4: you get three years. So three years before I think
Speaker 4: you'll have a tribulation that is happening between the time
Speaker 4: of the opening of the seals to the time of
Speaker 4: the first fruits that are fulfilled, which are the martyrs
Speaker 4: matches up in Revelation seven is the completion of that.
Speaker 4: And so we're just sort of getting into that, is
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. We're starting to see those things shape
Speaker 4: up on the horizon. And so I have a little
Speaker 4: bit different approach in terms of how I come about
Speaker 4: my perspective on things. But I do put everything around
Speaker 4: what Jesus said, because he is his testimony is the
Speaker 4: spirit of prophecy, and he's the Word of God. So
Speaker 4: that's where I like to start.
Speaker 1: Speaking of prophecy. They say two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: words of the Bible. There's seven hundred fifty thousand words
Speaker 1: I guess somewhere around there. Don't don't quote me, but
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand of them are prophecy guys.
Speaker 2: So this is important.
Speaker 1: So I think the Book of Revelation is something that
Speaker 1: might get neglected a lot by some people and pastors
Speaker 1: because they're scared, maybe scared to teach it, they want
Speaker 1: to teach the grace auction. But I think this is
Speaker 1: super important for people to understand. So okay, so all right,
Speaker 1: so after okay, so when do you guys believe like
Speaker 1: the rapture would happen.
Speaker 2: In that time? Oh, Jason, I'm sorry, Jason, you had
Speaker 2: a question. I don't want to Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well my my question was everyone's talking about Jesus
Speaker 6: and what he's talking about. Mine is about the churches.
Speaker 6: So there's seven churches mentioned. I want to want My
Speaker 6: question was anyone wants to answer, is why those seven
Speaker 6: churches at that time? Because there was numerous churches talked about.
Speaker 6: There's numerous churches that were that were actually at that time,
Speaker 6: but he picked those seven specific ones and gave him
Speaker 6: promises and and and warnings, and he also gave you know,
Speaker 6: some of them, some of them were were were bad
Speaker 6: and some of and some of them were good. And
Speaker 6: then some of them, you know, thought they were doing well,
Speaker 6: but and some of them are doing that well. But
Speaker 6: my question is why those seven churches if anybody wants
Speaker 6: to can answer that, if anybody could give a you know,
Speaker 6: insight on that.
Speaker 5: You know what interesting thing about those seven churches is
Speaker 5: historically they're all located in what we would call western
Speaker 5: Turkey today, but it was Asia Asia Minor at the time.
Speaker 5: And I always found it interesting that that was one
Speaker 5: of the regions that Paul the Apostle was forbidden by
Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit to go to at first. He later
Speaker 5: on established a church at Ephesus, which was one of
Speaker 5: those seven, you know, and there was another one too,
Speaker 5: and he mentioned aloud to see it. But I do
Speaker 5: sort of ascribe those churches to the ages of the Church.
Speaker 5: I do think there's some validity to that. I don't
Speaker 5: know if I'm a hard fast stickler to that, And
Speaker 5: I would say that the last church was allowed to
Speaker 5: see you, and that we're probably in the allowed to
Speaker 5: see an age when Christ said that you're lukewarm, I'll
Speaker 5: spew you out of my mouth. I think the church
Speaker 5: goes out with a whimper, not a bang.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I think we just stopped being what God needs us
Speaker 5: to be. And He's got one hundred and forty four
Speaker 5: thousand ready to step in to do the job that
Speaker 5: Israel's going to need done during the time of Jacob's trouble.
Speaker 2: Interesting and Ryan, yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with Scott's interpretation. And again, when
Speaker 3: you think about Revelation, you know you mentioned Josh that
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ of course is the author. It's also the
Speaker 3: only book that's written outside of time. Right. John has
Speaker 3: brought in the Spirit into heaven, so he is outside
Speaker 3: of time, and Jesus tells him, I'm going to show
Speaker 3: you what has been, what is, and what shall come.
Speaker 3: So I believe so much Revelation deals with time and
Speaker 3: different errors of time. So I think even with the
Speaker 3: seven Churches, it's speaking of the Church through time and
Speaker 3: each church representing a different age. And I do believe
Speaker 3: also with that the final Age is the loot seeing
Speaker 3: age that we are in, you know that that we're in,
Speaker 3: and and the you know the the The interesting thing
Speaker 3: about the rebuke of that church is that it's not
Speaker 3: so much at church. That's our rebellious church. It's a
Speaker 3: church that's just that's diluted, right. I think that they're rich,
Speaker 3: they think they got all figured out. We're doing awesome,
Speaker 3: we're doing great work for God. But you say, no,
Speaker 3: you're wretched, you're naked and so uh so. And I
Speaker 3: think that we see a lot of that kind of
Speaker 3: empty religion today and society.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that could be we'll let Gary answer next, but
Speaker 1: that could be like heath.
Speaker 6: The nice Christianity right well.
Speaker 3: Or just watered down christian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would. I would. I was gonna
Speaker 2: say so.
Speaker 6: But when you heath the nie Christianity, you really go
Speaker 6: for the idol worship. You're going for other stuff and
Speaker 6: then you kind of you're making God an energy or
Speaker 6: something that's that.
Speaker 2: That's the new age.
Speaker 6: That's you make them work for you, and you, you know,
Speaker 6: you make them something that's like, hey, I wish can
Speaker 6: you please please give me this game that you're like
Speaker 6: in It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But now the church, I believe, but I believe maybe
Speaker 1: the you know, because a lot of people are there there,
Speaker 1: the churches are not. Sometimes I believe I'm not going
Speaker 1: to talk about that about churches, but maybe sometimes we're
Speaker 1: not teaching.
Speaker 2: The meat so much, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think a lot of the people are believing,
Speaker 1: like hey, uh, maybe they're just thinking the raptures next
Speaker 1: and they're just depending on that. So maybe they're not
Speaker 1: they're they're they're just thinking it's all about grace. But
Speaker 1: they're they're forgetting about you know. Uh that James says
Speaker 1: that faith without works is dead, right, So uh, it's
Speaker 1: just interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that when when you're talking about I.
Speaker 6: Was speaking of inquisitions, like like back in the day,
Speaker 6: when you'd force people to follow your religion, you start
Speaker 6: to get you start to get a heathenized Christianity. You're
Speaker 6: just making them force them and they're they're they're taking
Speaker 6: their paganism and bringing it into Christianity. And I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: that's that's what I mean, Like that, Yeah, you get
Speaker 6: like a water down on the wine of everything, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 2: That's just it's the same thing.
Speaker 6: But I'm just I was talking about like I was
Speaker 6: trying to get in that involved in that. But yeah,
Speaker 6: the timeline, I I agree with that, the timeline through
Speaker 6: through the churches. I just feel also that the qualities
Speaker 6: of these everything that's mentioned by Jesus that's explains these churches.
Speaker 6: It's like equalities in each one of our religions or
Speaker 6: religions that are today, Like there's a quality like a
Speaker 6: really each that's spoken to. There's a quality of in
Speaker 6: each religion or each or each church.
Speaker 3: Yeah, each church. That's fun.
Speaker 1: So okay, and Gary, do you have anything to add
Speaker 1: to that about the seven churches?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it's going to be similar to
Speaker 4: what's been said, but I would put it in in
Speaker 4: this sort of way that it is all three in
Speaker 4: my in my perspective, including what Jason added at the end.
Speaker 4: So what we do know in John's vision is is
Speaker 4: that he that Jesus is sending or having John send
Speaker 4: these letters to the seven churches that were at that time.
Speaker 4: So they were physical churches, and those would have been
Speaker 4: by the text the traits of the churches at that time,
Speaker 4: and they're instructing them to be better churches. Is sort
Speaker 4: of the idea, but it's also prophetic, right, This is
Speaker 4: a prophecy, And so I agree with that those are
Speaker 4: the church ages, and I believe we're in the lattice
Speaker 4: in church probably now, and that church is being well
Speaker 4: prepared to be totally converted over to the universal polytheist
Speaker 4: religion of Babylon that's going to be coming. And I
Speaker 4: would also agree with what Jason said is that those
Speaker 4: churches are all traits of churches that are out there today.
Speaker 4: So I think it is a prophecy that sort of
Speaker 4: makes sense. It's almost like a triple It's a dual
Speaker 4: prophecy on top of an existing set of circumstances that
Speaker 4: are being used that's going to be meaningful all through
Speaker 4: the age of the church. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 4: all of that, and that this is indeed a church
Speaker 4: that is looking more and more polytheist all of the time,
Speaker 4: and that it is going to be a branch of
Speaker 4: that ancient religion that was re established at Babel after
Speaker 4: the flood.
Speaker 3: What church nowadays do you think that it's that? That
Speaker 3: would it would compare two?
Speaker 6: What would you compare that one of those churches nowadays
Speaker 6: that you would think of that that's around right now.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the old polytheist religion of gnosticism.
Speaker 4: I think it's the Inenochian mysticism from before the flood
Speaker 4: that paraded with the Nephalim the Antidiluvian world into destruction.
Speaker 4: I think that's the same religion that crosses the flood
Speaker 4: and is first restarted in a significant way with humanity
Speaker 4: at Babel under an anti Christ archetypical type figure for
Speaker 4: the post Alluvian world, who forces it on the religion religion,
Speaker 4: the religion on everybody there, or suffered death if they don't.
Speaker 4: And I think that that is why we get Babylon,
Speaker 4: which is rooted in the Hebrew word Babel, to give
Speaker 4: us that allegory for that mystical religion that is, you know,
Speaker 4: filled with knowledge as a gnostic cult gnosis, it has
Speaker 4: degrees initiations, and the whole language of Babylon in Revelation
Speaker 4: seventeen is aspiring a polytheus mystical religion that was part
Speaker 4: of the hierarchical structure of the Beast empires all the
Speaker 4: way through history.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in that verse as well, what's important is also
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ is talking to John and he says, I
Speaker 1: am the alpha omega, the first and the last, you know,
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end. So I think it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's showing you that Jesus Christ is God. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think it's very important also in
Speaker 1: that verse that before they you know, it's just amazing
Speaker 1: that part right there. It just it's just stood out
Speaker 1: to me. So all right, so we went over the
Speaker 1: seven Churches with Jason. I'm glad you brought up that's important.
Speaker 1: So next, now, I believe that the the Third Temple
Speaker 1: almost got built.
Speaker 2: I think when Trump was in presidency.
Speaker 1: I believe that Jared Kushner was over there trying to
Speaker 1: Actually I thought the Third Temple was going to come
Speaker 1: sooner than later, you know, I think they were trying
Speaker 1: to work out a deal.
Speaker 2: So it kind of got interesting.
Speaker 1: But so after that, after that happens, you guys believe
Speaker 1: that the rapture would be next after the Third Temple?
Speaker 1: Or where do you guys place the rapture like pre
Speaker 1: mid or post? I would ask Gary, you could go
Speaker 1: first if you.
Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, I'm mid to too shortly thereafter, okay, And
Speaker 4: everybody's going to use scripture to come by their position.
Speaker 4: But that's where I would fit it. I would look
Speaker 4: at it as the tribulations, and there are several couple
Speaker 4: of tribulations we need to be aware of the one
Speaker 4: that was possibly three years before the last seven. I
Speaker 4: think you have the tribulation that is going to happen
Speaker 4: of the saints that happens between Jesus or a in
Speaker 4: terms of the birth of the beginning of sorrows to
Speaker 4: the middle of the seven year marker that he marks
Speaker 4: with the abomination in that word. As I said, affliction
Speaker 4: goes back to Filiples's tribulation. And those are the ones
Speaker 4: that are being martyred that are going to show up
Speaker 4: in Revelation seven, the ones that in Revelation six are
Speaker 4: being told to wait for, and these are This is
Speaker 4: part of the whole setup for the resurrection sequence where
Speaker 4: you have Christ the first fruits, and then when Jesus comes,
Speaker 4: those who are still alive and those who are asleep
Speaker 4: in Jesus. So the ones who are asleep died in faith,
Speaker 4: but not the martyrs, because Revelation seven are the saints
Speaker 4: that died like the martyrs in Revelation six. And we
Speaker 4: see the first fruits, the last of the first fruits,
Speaker 4: and by implication, the one hundred and forty four thousand
Speaker 4: that show up in Revelation seven are called first fruits,
Speaker 4: and by implication they're in Hea. We're not told they
Speaker 4: were slain, but their first fruits, which is that implication
Speaker 4: for the resurrection sequence. And then we get after that,
Speaker 4: you get a summary of the last three and a
Speaker 4: half years in Revelation fourteen, where you get the mark
Speaker 4: of the Beast and then the fall of Babylon, and
Speaker 4: then you have Antichrice setting up his new religion for
Speaker 4: the for the last three and a half years. So
Speaker 4: I would look at that rapture coming as Jesus predicts
Speaker 4: it in the second half after the abomination with his sign.
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of people view what Jesus
Speaker 4: said as being more topical than chronological, and it's a
Speaker 4: persuasive argument. But if you take the word then back
Speaker 4: to Greek, it's the Greek word toad, and it means
Speaker 4: at that time and when then, And so he's very
Speaker 4: clearly laying out his language that's being scribed down into
Speaker 4: Greek from probably Hebrew or Ara America or both that
Speaker 4: he might have been speaking at that time. He's clearly
Speaker 4: delineating a chronology set of events. And so I take
Speaker 4: my guidance from all of that. And I know a
Speaker 4: lot of people will say, well, also the Holy Spirit
Speaker 4: will have to be removed while the Holy Spirit is
Speaker 4: still testifying for those people going through that tribulation in
Speaker 4: the first three and a half years as the Book
Speaker 4: of Marx description of Jesus or accounting of Jesus' words
Speaker 4: are told, and then again in the Book of Luke.
Speaker 4: So it's talking about the Holy Spirit giving the knowledge
Speaker 4: for those saints to testify. And that's after the beginning
Speaker 4: of the sorrows, but before the abomination.
Speaker 2: And Ryan, what do you think?
Speaker 3: So so yeah, So picking up what Garius about Matthew
Speaker 3: twenty four, right, that Jesus is describing things in chronological order,
Speaker 3: I definitely agree with that. And in fact, when you get
Speaker 3: to Revelation, from Revelation five to chapter twenty two, every
Speaker 3: chapter begins at the word ends, right, So it's again
Speaker 3: I believe Revelation is also in sequence right. And so
Speaker 3: looking at the description in Matthew twenty four of the
Speaker 3: events wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes is following, it's tracking
Speaker 3: right with the first four seals, right, and then Jesus
Speaker 3: then they shall turn you over to be killed the martyrdom, right,
Speaker 3: So it's going in the exact order of the seals.
Speaker 3: And what I see again, because I see the rapture
Speaker 3: at the sixth Seal, Jesus highlights several things, an earthquake,
Speaker 3: the sun turning dark, the moon not giving its light. Right,
Speaker 3: and we see those things. At the sixth seal. You
Speaker 3: have the blood moon. The moon turns to blood, the
Speaker 3: sun turns black as sackcloth. And then you have this
Speaker 3: massive global earthquake. And this is when all the kings,
Speaker 3: the mighty people, the chief people, everyone knows on earth,
Speaker 3: non believers, no, they say Hi, from the wrath of Him,
Speaker 3: the citizen, the throne, the face of the face of Him,
Speaker 3: the sym the throne, the lamb, for the day of
Speaker 3: his wrath has come, and who's able to stand? So
Speaker 3: everybody knows God is now intervening in world affairs. He's real,
Speaker 3: he's here, he is judging. I believe that is the start.
Speaker 3: And of course that conocide with Joel two thirty one
Speaker 3: prophets as an exact thing, the sun shall turn dark,
Speaker 3: the moon shall turn to blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: And so and I think that's the term. The common
Speaker 3: Old Testament term for the Great Tribulation is the day
Speaker 3: of the Lord. She's twenty four times in the Old Testament.
Speaker 3: So I believe that is when the rapture takes place.
Speaker 3: And I believe that's the start of you know, the
Speaker 3: day of the Lord slash Great Tribulation, whatever term you
Speaker 3: want to give it at the same time. And again
Speaker 3: that's the end of chapter six. And then as you
Speaker 3: get to chapter seven, when you see you see, of
Speaker 3: course the ceiling of the one hundred and forty four thousand,
Speaker 3: and then you have this multitude of all you know,
Speaker 3: racist tribes, ethnicities call appearing before the throne, standing before
Speaker 3: the Throne of God. And I believe that's actually the
Speaker 3: raptured Church, just as these are they who have come
Speaker 3: out of their tribulation. They have washed their robes, and
Speaker 3: so I believe that is actually the raptured Church in heaven.
Speaker 3: And that's the end of chapter seven. And then when
Speaker 3: you get to chapter eight, I think this is where
Speaker 3: you start seeing how the events play out again on
Speaker 3: Earth in the Great Stipulation, because you have now we've
Speaker 3: gone from this from the the the seals to the trumpets,
Speaker 3: and you have this mighty angel standing at the altar
Speaker 3: with the censer, and I believe this is Jesus right,
Speaker 3: this is what in the role of the high priest.
Speaker 3: That's it's basically repeating what the high priests did on earth.
Speaker 3: Aaron with a censer before the altar and cast these
Speaker 3: you know, stone the coals, burning coals to earth. And
Speaker 3: I believe that actually is coinciding with the war of
Speaker 3: God Maydok and so so. I believe you look at
Speaker 3: God Magog's Zego thirty eight Ego thirty nine, that you're
Speaker 3: just getting two battles are being described in reverse order.
Speaker 3: I believe that the segu thirty is actually describing the
Speaker 3: post millennial final strike by Satan that we see in
Speaker 3: Revelation chapter twenty when it says that he surrounds the
Speaker 3: Holy City and God sends fire from heaven. It says,
Speaker 3: and gathers from all four corners of the earth Gog
Speaker 3: and Magog. I believe that's at the end of the
Speaker 3: millennial reign of Christ, that final attack. But chapter thirty nine,
Speaker 3: I believe it is describing attack at the start of
Speaker 3: the Great Tribulation. And when you look at the judgment,
Speaker 3: it's the judgment of God Magog's army. They are destroyed
Speaker 3: by fire and brimstone mingled with blood, which is exactly
Speaker 3: what you see in Revelation chapter eight. And so I
Speaker 3: believe that's where this is kind of how the timeline goes.
Speaker 3: And I believe out of that war we see the
Speaker 3: emergence of the anti Christ. And I wouldn't even and
Speaker 3: I even think, you know, and this is more conjecture
Speaker 3: that the Antichrist might even claim the victory is his
Speaker 3: victory over this coalition trying to attract attack Israel, and
Speaker 3: he will step in and present himself as Israel's savior
Speaker 3: and then initiate the deception of Israel to make himself
Speaker 3: obviously present himself as their false messiahs. So that's kind
Speaker 3: of how I see the events picking up.
Speaker 2: That's that's when he makes that peace. Okay, So all right,
Speaker 2: and Scott.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very much in line with Ryan on just
Speaker 5: about everything he said, and he's much more.
Speaker 3: Learning about that than I am.
Speaker 5: But I take one bit of a difference from a
Speaker 5: lot of preachers that I know over the years that
Speaker 5: I've been preaching, and that is I see Christ's earthly
Speaker 5: ministry as focused to Israel. He was offering a national
Speaker 5: salvation program which was rejected by the nation, and so
Speaker 5: it was a mystery that he would die for the
Speaker 5: sense of all mankind. But he was there offering the
Speaker 5: kingdom of heaven is in hand. So they rejected that kingdom,
Speaker 5: and it went into sort of a mystery form. Hence
Speaker 5: he started speaking in parables.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: And then once he was crucified and raised again, it's
Speaker 5: almost like he said in the parable of the fig tree,
Speaker 5: let's dig it and dounge it about for this year also,
Speaker 5: and if it bears fruit, well, if not cut it down,
Speaker 5: well it got cut down. That was the last attempt
Speaker 5: to call the nation to repentance from that point forward
Speaker 5: to me at the end at really, I think it
Speaker 5: would be timed with the death of Stephen the Martyr.
Speaker 5: That's when they were cut off and the fulfillment of
Speaker 5: Hosea took place. Or not my people, And in Joseah
Speaker 5: chapter five says I'll go return to my place verse
Speaker 5: fifteen until they acknowledge their offense and seek my face.
Speaker 3: And so I.
Speaker 5: Would argue that this age we live in now, call
Speaker 5: it what you want, dispensation of grace, whatever has been
Speaker 5: focused on.
Speaker 3: All mankind, not the nation. And so when you come
Speaker 3: back around to whenever Gog and Mega, that's another thing
Speaker 3: I should have mentioned earlier. What's the next thing that
Speaker 3: needs to happen.
Speaker 5: Well, that's got to be factored into that mix too, right,
Speaker 5: that battle that Ryan spoke of, so to me. When
Speaker 5: the Book of Revelation begins with John being carried up
Speaker 5: in the spirit to the third Heaven, he writes what
Speaker 5: he sees in heaven there and he lists the four Beasts,
Speaker 5: the twenty four Elders, the Father on the throne, and
Speaker 5: then he sees the Lamb. And then at some point
Speaker 5: in Jena's Revelation rather chapter seven, his attention is focused
Speaker 5: back on the earth as the one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: four thousand are being sealed, and because it even says
Speaker 5: to the four angels on the four corners of the earth,
Speaker 5: don't hurt the earth until we've sealed them. And then
Speaker 5: when he directs his attention back it's that mixed multitude
Speaker 5: that Ryan mentioned of all of kindred nations and tough
Speaker 5: that's the Church's I believe they got raptured out while
Speaker 5: he was counting the one hundred and forty four thousand
Speaker 5: or something, and they went up and he's like, what
Speaker 5: are you?
Speaker 3: Where'd you guys come from. He didn't even know.
Speaker 5: One of them says who are these and he says,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, And so sure enough he
Speaker 5: tells him they came through great tribulation. And I don't
Speaker 5: think he means they went through the time of Jacob's trouble.
Speaker 5: The Church has been in tribulation since two thousand years now.
Speaker 5: You know, it's been in tribulation and it hasn't stopped,
Speaker 5: depending on where you are in the world. So I
Speaker 5: would argue a pre tribulation rapture somewhere to the point
Speaker 5: before the wrath begins to fall and before the revealing
Speaker 5: of the Man of Sin, just like Rian was talking about.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Gary, Yeah, So a couple of things on
Speaker 4: that is, I would say that we want to be
Speaker 4: careful with like taking some of the signs like in
Speaker 4: the seals and saying it's that timing when we're talking
Speaker 4: about things the sky's darkening, and people confusing the time
Speaker 4: of the day of the Lord because it looks like
Speaker 4: it is because you've got twenty five percent destruction, because
Speaker 4: you get those earthquakes and everything happening. Skies darkening in
Speaker 4: the Trumpet judgments and also in the rath bulls. So
Speaker 4: again they're just getting stronger as you go. If you
Speaker 4: follow one of the overarching signs that Jesus provided with
Speaker 4: the beginning of Sorrows, I would look at Joel iiO
Speaker 4: is lining up with the Revelation nine war, because they're
Speaker 4: talking about the same kinds of beams, and after the
Speaker 4: Abyss has been open, and just before the midpoint of
Speaker 4: the last seven years, which would be that counterfeit armageddon
Speaker 4: that Antichrist is going to need to have to come
Speaker 4: to power on. I look at Ezekiel thirty eight and
Speaker 4: thirty nine as both In Ezekiel thirty eight it's in
Speaker 4: the last days, not in the millennial. Those some people
Speaker 4: can make a good argument that that's for the millennium
Speaker 4: as the last days that it extends, not the cats
Speaker 4: word has used in Daniel nine twenty six to describe
Speaker 4: the end time. At the time of the end cats
Speaker 4: is the time of the end, that is the seven years.
Speaker 4: I get the distinction on those arguments, but I think
Speaker 4: the end time as we understand it with the all
Speaker 4: of the terms in the Old Testament, happened in the
Speaker 4: last seven years in different events in both halfs of
Speaker 4: those years, I think in Ezekiel thirty eight, when you
Speaker 4: get the same description of the same war and the
Speaker 4: aftermath of the destruction, you get second Exodus happening, and
Speaker 4: that's a second half event, So it happens after that
Speaker 4: war in the second half, and so that to me
Speaker 4: is not the Armageddon battle. It's a lot like it,
Speaker 4: but it's like a birthpang. Armageddon's going to be destruction,
Speaker 4: even more so around the world, perhaps not in the
Speaker 4: same numbers because of all of the people that are
Speaker 4: being killed. I mean, we'll see how many are are
Speaker 4: are left. And I wouldn't confuse wrath with tribulation. The
Speaker 4: New Testament uses two different words for wrath in terms
Speaker 4: of the Greek and they are Thumos and orgae are
Speaker 4: the two words, and they're used in conjunction with each other,
Speaker 4: as you see wrath come up in the New Testament.
Speaker 4: And so it's not philippies for tribulation. So what's the difference,
Speaker 4: And the difference is is that tribulation is what Christians
Speaker 4: go through. Wrath is reserved for those who are going
Speaker 4: to take the mark worship Antichrist, worship Satan. It's not
Speaker 4: for Christians. It's a separate thing. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: we don't go through tribulation, because we're told we're going
Speaker 4: to go through tribulation, just as we see saints going
Speaker 4: through tribulation. And there is a year of the Lord's wrath,
Speaker 4: the year of the Lord's venge, the day of the
Speaker 4: Lord again, using that same day for a year, you
Speaker 4: get that crossover of the prophetic allegory that's telling you
Speaker 4: there's a full year of the wrath that's going to
Speaker 4: happen when the wrath bulls are poured out. So what
Speaker 4: we're being promised is to be saved from the from
Speaker 4: the wrath, which is the word or gay that's used
Speaker 4: for a wrath in the Bible as opposed to the
Speaker 4: thumless one or in the New Testament. So we have
Speaker 4: we want to make sure we're not confusing wrath with tribulation.
Speaker 4: And when we start to separate those sort of concepts
Speaker 4: and we've put it around the chronological order that Jesus provides,
Speaker 4: everything sort of starts to make some sense.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I would. I would just say that a
Speaker 3: couple of things is in terms of the blood moon
Speaker 3: and the suentrain Dark, the only time that happens is
Speaker 3: at the six sealed, So that's it. So that's so,
Speaker 3: that's that's why. So I think that's why. I believe
Speaker 3: that is the fulfillment.
Speaker 4: Couch of Ole Testament Versus talk about the sky going
Speaker 4: darkest and Joel it's in Isaiah it's another.
Speaker 3: But Joel two thirty one in particular describes the sun
Speaker 3: turning black and the moon turning to blood, which only
Speaker 3: occurs at the six seals. So yeah, there are other darkness.
Speaker 4: You have to be careful with Joel tool because it's
Speaker 4: not saying it's armageddon. It is the Day of the
Speaker 4: Lord is coming. Armageddon follows in Joel three.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't believe it's I don't believe the six
Speaker 3: Seal is armageddon. I believe it's the beginning of it.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's I don't believe it's armageddon at all.
Speaker 4: So so you think it's a seven year wrath period
Speaker 4: of armageddon.
Speaker 3: Now I I don't see. I believe that the sixth
Speaker 3: Seal is the start of the Day of the Lord
Speaker 3: and Armageddon is a series of battles near the end
Speaker 3: of the seven years of the Day of the Daniel
Speaker 3: seventieth week. So I don't. I don't see them as
Speaker 3: being this.
Speaker 4: How do you reconcile the year of the Lord's vengeance
Speaker 4: that follows is the year of the Lord's favor.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with the year of the Lord's favor.
Speaker 3: So again I'm not that I'm not I'm not familiar
Speaker 3: with that, uh, that concept. So, but that's just that,
Speaker 3: that's I'm just saying. But in terms of the fulfillment
Speaker 3: of that series, that that solar or interstellars series of
Speaker 3: events that I believe that only takes place at the
Speaker 3: six sealed, I'd also say two on Ezekiel thirty eight
Speaker 3: in terms of God Magog And why I see this
Speaker 3: two separate battles is that the conditions of Ezekiel thirty
Speaker 3: eight with respect to Israel are Israel dwelling in safety
Speaker 3: without bars, without gates, which I see prophetically in the
Speaker 3: Old Testament, the prophecies of that I believe take place
Speaker 3: during the millennium not prior. To say that Israel is
Speaker 3: in complete safety.
Speaker 4: Could be the three and a half years that God
Speaker 4: is protecting Judah in the wilderness that's talked about in
Speaker 4: Revelation twelve, waiting for the tribes of lost Israel who
Speaker 4: are awaken and visible Judah tribes around the world to
Speaker 4: be led back to the wilderness to join up with
Speaker 4: them in the wilderness, as Ezekiel thirty seven talks about,
Speaker 4: and the time of the Second Exodus with Ezekiel thirty
Speaker 4: seven also talks about.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I believe I believe they'll be in Edom
Speaker 3: during that time in Basra and Jesus leads them back.
Speaker 3: Who's this coming from Bosria? So I believe that there
Speaker 3: won't be in Israel at that time. They will be
Speaker 3: supernaturally protected, absolutely, the believing remnant will be supernaturally protected.
Speaker 3: But I believe that takes place of Edom. Whereas we
Speaker 3: see Ezekil thirty eight, it's specifically talking about Israel the
Speaker 3: nation being with no defense, defenseless, and I believe that's
Speaker 3: only going to take place during the millennium.
Speaker 4: But when Jesus comes back from Edom, that's at the
Speaker 4: time of Armageddon, after he's destroyed Edom.
Speaker 3: Sure, right, yeah, correct, what he's saying different.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all yeah, I'm just saying that he's making the
Speaker 7: point that the the Ezec of thirty thirty eight prophecy
Speaker 7: is talking about living in the land of unwalled villages
Speaker 7: and living safely in and then he's going to come
Speaker 7: upon the mountains of Israel.
Speaker 5: I don't think you could equate that with Edom or
Speaker 5: the wilderness, you know, in any event. But I see
Speaker 5: your point though, Gary, But I think I think i'm
Speaker 5: I'm with you on that rhine that the attack of
Speaker 5: Dog is upon the mountains of Israel.
Speaker 4: The wilderness is in the desert, as it would be
Speaker 4: understood as a wilderness.
Speaker 5: Right, But I think the wilderness wouldn't be considered to
Speaker 5: be Israel because everything about that. Historically they wander in
Speaker 5: the wilderness, you know, until they went into the Promised Land.
Speaker 3: I would think it's it's equated to that somehow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with would be somewhere protected by
Speaker 4: God for that three and a half years, so they
Speaker 4: wouldn't have walls and things because they're protected by God,
Speaker 4: right or or it.
Speaker 5: Could be the millennial Christ they're protected for a thousand years.
Speaker 5: And then when Satan has loosed a little season, that's
Speaker 5: another Gog and Magog.
Speaker 3: Battle that takes place.
Speaker 6: For sure, Well, what in gog and May that brings
Speaker 6: a lot more believers to God because he's put a
Speaker 6: stamp on that promise right there and says like if
Speaker 6: when this happens, you will know that like basically he
Speaker 6: is God, because he's saying he's making a promise that
Speaker 6: he will protect them no matter what.
Speaker 4: Well, what happens, all that all.
Speaker 6: That prophecy fulfills, You're gonna have a lot more believers
Speaker 6: coming back to You have a lot more believers coming
Speaker 6: back to to to to a lot of a lot
Speaker 6: of believers, a lot of Gentiles, a lot of people
Speaker 6: are gonna come to believe that because they're gonna know
Speaker 6: this Magog Magog happened, and God Magog prophecy happened.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a lot more way more believers out
Speaker 3: of it, because.
Speaker 4: Well, what's gonna happen, though, Josh is is that I
Speaker 4: suspect and I anticipate that Anti Christ will use this
Speaker 4: as his counterfeit Armageddon because he has to, uh, he
Speaker 4: has to present credentials that he is the true Messiah,
Speaker 4: and he's going to use that and take credit. I
Speaker 4: think Ryan was saying that he would take credit for
Speaker 4: that war and that happens at the midpoint of the
Speaker 4: last seven years, that he is going to then move
Speaker 4: his armies as Luke and Daniel talk about around Jerusalem
Speaker 4: after that war and set up the Abomination. So that
Speaker 4: is a war that's going to happen I think based
Speaker 4: on that before the midpoint of the last seven years.
Speaker 4: And if you look at Ezekiel thirty seven as well,
Speaker 4: that's the time of the dry Bones. That's a resurrection
Speaker 4: of past Israel to join modern Israel. They're going to go,
Speaker 4: as Daniel twelve talks about, and this is the time
Speaker 4: of Jacob's trouble, in the time of the great tribulation
Speaker 4: of the last three and a half years, as Jesus
Speaker 4: talks about that, they're going to go under the judgment,
Speaker 4: some to everlasting life and some to death. And Israel
Speaker 4: is going to recognize with the Abomination in Jesus' sign
Speaker 4: that that's the Messiah, and you're just going to recognize
Speaker 4: the one as they're piers, and they're going to be
Speaker 4: brought back into the bride in the second half, in
Speaker 4: time for the Armageddon battle and the Supper of the
Speaker 4: Lamb that happens in Revelation nineteen mm.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I think we were like at uh, I
Speaker 1: think Ryan, I think we left off for like what
Speaker 1: the second trumpet.
Speaker 2: Basically, I think so time wise, Uh did you did
Speaker 2: you want to carry on from there?
Speaker 1: I think, Ryan, because I think I think you got
Speaker 1: done and your we're like timeline wise, I think we're
Speaker 1: like at the second trumpet.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah sure, so I mean yeah, so again, yes,
Speaker 3: just so.
Speaker 1: People get an idea because yeah, yeah, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: some of the listeners.
Speaker 2: That are listening.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are so in depth, like, but
Speaker 1: I just want to hear the idea because when I
Speaker 1: read Revelation, like when I first read a relation Revelation
Speaker 1: and I started reading about these seals and these trumpets
Speaker 1: and these twenty one judgments, I have no clue what
Speaker 1: I'm reading.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. So uh, just just so we
Speaker 2: can keep a timeline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so yes, you guys are still in death.
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep up.
Speaker 3: For something, no no, no, no, no problems, So just
Speaker 3: to try and you know, uh, symboli five. So you
Speaker 3: get to the the the first four trumpet judgments now
Speaker 3: that are being unleashed, and you see this repetition of
Speaker 3: a third right, a third of the of the season,
Speaker 3: the waters right a third of the grass that they're
Speaker 3: now being judged. I believe that's taking us up. And
Speaker 3: now we're in the first three and a half years.
Speaker 3: I believe of the final seven years, Daniel seventieth week,
Speaker 3: and this is.
Speaker 1: That that that three and a half years, that the
Speaker 1: end three and a half years is where the is
Speaker 1: where we're at.
Speaker 3: Right, this is the first half. This is the first
Speaker 3: seven years. I believe we're in the first half.
Speaker 2: Okay, right here, we're at the fourth trumpet.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so in the in the in the first
Speaker 3: four trumpets leading us to the fifth trumpet. And for
Speaker 3: for me, for you know the way, my I my
Speaker 3: kind of timeline of revelation, the fifth trumpet to me
Speaker 3: is the pivotal, pivotal, pivotal event of the entire day
Speaker 3: of the Lord right of this chronology, because I believe
Speaker 3: that is the midpoint. I believe that's the time when
Speaker 3: the Abyss is opened. And now you have these locusts
Speaker 3: that are released from the abyss, from the bottomless pit.
Speaker 3: And I believe those locusts quote unquote are actually the
Speaker 3: Genesis six rebels who've been locked in chains. As we're
Speaker 3: told in June verses six and seven and Second Peter
Speaker 3: chapter two, that they who are presently locked in chains
Speaker 3: the Genesis six, forefathers of the Nepheleme. I believe they
Speaker 3: are now released from the abyss at the fifth trumpet,
Speaker 3: and they're told there's a king with them, Apollon Abadawon,
Speaker 3: the king of the botomless pit. And I believe that
Speaker 3: is the spirit that will end well the Antichrist. So
Speaker 3: you already have the Antichrist rising to power. Beginning is deception.
Speaker 3: But we're told in Revelation chapter thirteen, verse four, that
Speaker 3: he receives a deadly wound, and that deadly wound is healed.
Speaker 3: Leave that point at the fifth trumpet's that is the
Speaker 3: midpoint of the of the seven years. And when he
Speaker 3: comes back to life, his resurrection, the Antichrist resurrection from
Speaker 3: the imortal wound. He's now possessed by this spirit. And
Speaker 3: the reason why I can I tie it to saying
Speaker 3: this is the middle because when you look in Revelation
Speaker 3: chapter eleven, you have this testimony of the two witnesses,
Speaker 3: right they they're testifying. They give the testimony in prist
Speaker 3: and it says that they testify for twelve hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty days, for three and a half years and it
Speaker 3: says the beast that ascended from the bottomless pit then
Speaker 3: kills them. So I believe that's that's now the satanically,
Speaker 3: fully satanically and possessed Antichrist kills them, and I believe
Speaker 3: that's the midpoint. And it says one woe has passed,
Speaker 3: two roles are to come, which is the sixth and
Speaker 3: seventh trumpets. So that's in a very condensed version, how
Speaker 3: I see the first five trumpets showing us a chronology
Speaker 3: of the first three and a half years, because so
Speaker 3: as we know, twelve and six days of going by,
Speaker 3: the three witnesses are killed, and we're told that that
Speaker 3: is the fifth trumpet.
Speaker 1: So all right, any anything to add to that, guys
Speaker 1: Scott or Gary.
Speaker 5: I'm in agreement with that chronology. But Gary, go ahead.
Speaker 4: If you want to well, no, no, I was going
Speaker 4: to wait for you to okay, going to come in.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm agreement with that chronology.
Speaker 3: I really do see.
Speaker 5: From my perspective, kind of getting back to what we
Speaker 5: were discussing about, the allowed to see an age. You know,
Speaker 5: when the church is lukewarm, and he says, I spee
Speaker 5: you out of my mouth, and I tied that into
Speaker 5: Romans chapter eleven, where Paul said, I would not have
Speaker 5: you ignorant of this mystery, that blindness and part has
Speaker 5: happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles.
Speaker 3: Be come in.
Speaker 5: And and what Paul was warning the gentiles in Romans
Speaker 5: eleven was that don't don't be high minded. The original
Speaker 5: natural branches were cut off because of unbelief, and you
Speaker 5: stand by faith, be not high minded. But because if
Speaker 5: God is able to cut off the natural branches, he
Speaker 5: could also.
Speaker 3: Cut off you.
Speaker 5: And I think that's a prophetic statement through Paul, that
Speaker 5: the Church is going to be cut off at some
Speaker 5: point from the blessings of Israel. Not salvation that's never lost,
Speaker 5: but I'm talking about the salvation, the blessing program. And
Speaker 5: when the church is cut off, God is no longer
Speaker 5: going to use it as it's being used right now.
Speaker 5: We're going to go out. We're no longer any effective
Speaker 5: purpose in the world today. The message is going to
Speaker 5: go back to the Gospel of the Kingdom, and the
Speaker 5: most qualified people to preach that are going to be
Speaker 5: the Jews that are sealed and that God has reserved,
Speaker 5: and so they would be preaching during the time of
Speaker 5: the Two Witnesses. I'm totally in agreement about that. For
Speaker 5: three and a half years, Christ had a three and
Speaker 5: a half year ministry on the earth preaching the Kingdom
Speaker 5: of Heaven is at hand. One hundred and forty four
Speaker 5: thousand are going to have a three and a half
Speaker 5: year ministry on earth preaching the Kingdom of Heaven is
Speaker 5: at hand, with signs and wonders returning. It's focused to Israel,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a focus of gathering Israel. The Church
Speaker 5: goes out of the way because we're in the way.
Speaker 5: And I don't Yeah, I know somebody I can't remember
Speaker 5: who alluded to it, But I don't think in my teaching,
Speaker 5: I don't see what's being removed from the earth as
Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit, not at all. What's being removed from
Speaker 5: the earth is the body of Christ, the current Gentile
Speaker 5: joint Church. When we go out, the Spirit remains, like
Speaker 5: Gary said, working through the one hundred and forty four thousand,
Speaker 5: working through those saints, working through the miracles and signs
Speaker 5: of I think Moses and Elijah. But that's my opinion
Speaker 5: of the two witnesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, opinion that was gonna be one of my Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the questions I'll ask is.
Speaker 2: Who do you guys believe that that's a good opinion? Gary,
Speaker 2: go ahead, you could finish, and then we'll ask that question.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I would say, uh, in terms of the chronology,
Speaker 4: kind of an agreement in a number of things there.
Speaker 4: I would sort of back up to the seals first
Speaker 4: and say, I think they're open just before the start
Speaker 4: of the last seven years, and you get sort of
Speaker 4: the setup for what's going to be that empire that's
Speaker 4: going to happen as part of the first few writers.
Speaker 4: I won't go through in all of the details and
Speaker 4: the Greek words and this and that, but just sort
Speaker 4: of that's how I kind of look at it. And
Speaker 4: then I see the trumpets being blasted. They're going to
Speaker 4: start happening after the seal, so after the start of
Speaker 4: the commission and the start of the first lot of
Speaker 4: the first three and a half years with the two witnesses.
Speaker 4: And again, interesting argument, maybe we'll go down to that one.
Speaker 4: That one's always a fun argument. And the commission of
Speaker 4: the one hundred and forty four thousand, and we know
Speaker 4: the two witnesses are going to do their commission for
Speaker 4: three and a half years, because we're given that timeframe,
Speaker 4: and that's in the first half, right, And just as
Speaker 4: the trumpets are part of the first half, they might
Speaker 4: spill over to just slightly into the second half in
Speaker 4: the days of the Trumpet. That'll come back to in
Speaker 4: a second. And you have the one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: four thousand as well, that, as I said, show up
Speaker 4: in Revelation in fourteen. So if you're going with that
Speaker 4: as a sequence, and then they're shown in Heaven and
Speaker 4: they would be part of those first fruits, I would
Speaker 4: place them in that as being part of the martyrs.
Speaker 4: And I would also sort of look at the trumpets
Speaker 4: as being the unfolding of the mystery of God in
Speaker 4: the final parts of the trumpet, right, And I would
Speaker 4: look at trumpets as being a significant marker for prophetic
Speaker 4: timing both in the Old Testament and the New Testament
Speaker 4: and a lot of the prophecies. So look to match
Speaker 4: some of those up as well. Just as we get
Speaker 4: a trumpet blast that's going to happen in the second
Speaker 4: half of the oration that Jesus provides. So what I
Speaker 4: find in if people were to take the first let's say,
Speaker 4: from Revelation six to Revelation fourteen, and overlay that on
Speaker 4: what Jesus said up to revel or Matthew twenty, using
Speaker 4: I like to use Matthew twenty as the template. Then
Speaker 4: I add the extra details of Mark and look into it.
Speaker 4: That's your first three and a half years, and it
Speaker 4: matches up perfectly. And that's why you get that summary
Speaker 4: of the events for the last three and a half
Speaker 4: years after the one hundred and forty four thousand ar
Speaker 4: in Heaven. Then you get the details of that that
Speaker 4: lead into the Great Tribulation. So there's still going to
Speaker 4: be tribulation of people not raptured right in the second half,
Speaker 4: those who don't take the Mark, but they're still not
Speaker 4: going to be part of the wrath of God somehow someway,
Speaker 4: either they're all killed or or some survive, and I
Speaker 4: think some survive into the millennium. But what you get
Speaker 4: is is this great tribulation that leads into the wrath
Speaker 4: and the year of the Lord's Favor is the busting
Speaker 4: out of the prisoners, as Luke Forohr talks about in
Speaker 4: Isah sixty three talk about. So you have this bringing
Speaker 4: back in of Israel in the time of Second exodus
Speaker 4: and back in time for the Supper and for the
Speaker 4: Supper of the Lamb, and that's the year of the
Speaker 4: Lord's Favorite. Then it's followed by the year of the
Speaker 4: Lord's Wrath. Pulls mhm.
Speaker 1: Okay, who do you guys believe are the two witnesses.
Speaker 1: We'll start out with you, Ryan, I think you're muted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here, so so I'm not. I'll
Speaker 3: start off by saying I'm actually not the automatic one.
Speaker 3: This's questioned. So, and I think they're very good. It's
Speaker 3: Scott already mentioned you know, Moses and Elijah. You mentioned Scott,
Speaker 3: and I know he's gotta have a very good explanation
Speaker 3: for this. I've discussed the thing before, so I'll let
Speaker 3: him do Moses and Elijah. I'm gonna uh, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: throw out something totally different, two possible uh candidates and
Speaker 3: try and go through the reasoning. So, I think it's
Speaker 3: a possible ability that the two witnesses are Joshua the
Speaker 3: High Priest from the Book of Zachariah, right, so, and
Speaker 3: not Joshua from the Book of Joshua. And then Ziabbibel's right,
Speaker 3: So you're talking about the high priest and the governor
Speaker 3: in Jerusalem at the time of the you know, the
Speaker 3: rebuilding after the Babylonian captivity and so. And the reason
Speaker 3: why is they both have very interesting prophetic conversations with
Speaker 3: God that really I think have repetition in the Book
Speaker 3: of Revelation and so, so you know, in Zachariah chapter three,
Speaker 3: you have this interesting passage where Joshua, the high priest,
Speaker 3: is before the throne of God says, Satan is at
Speaker 3: his right hand. So clearly again we're in heaven now,
Speaker 3: and you have this kind where God says essentially that
Speaker 3: you know, is this not one a brand plucked from
Speaker 3: the fire, And it says there's several things that I
Speaker 3: knows about this passage. It says, one that his garments
Speaker 3: were filthy, and God gives him clean garments, right, so
Speaker 3: he's taking his in aways forgiving, but he gives he
Speaker 3: gives him clean garments. And then and then I'm actually
Speaker 3: gonna just read brief in some of the verses here
Speaker 3: because it's really interesting what is said to him. And
Speaker 3: it says, so after he's given clean garments, a change
Speaker 3: of raiments, he says, I've caused your iniquity to pass away.
Speaker 3: From you. This is verse four in Zachari chapter three.
Speaker 3: And then he puts a miter on his head, and
Speaker 3: it says that the Angel of the Lord said to Joshua,
Speaker 3: if thou will walk in my ways and thou will
Speaker 3: keep my charge, then thou shalt judge my house and
Speaker 3: shall keep my courts, and I will give thee places
Speaker 3: to walk among these that stand by. So God's telling him,
Speaker 3: if you I'm gonna give you a mission, if you
Speaker 3: fulfill it, you will be among these others who are
Speaker 3: around you. So he's among a group of people. And
Speaker 3: it continues by saying, here now, Joshua, the high priest,
Speaker 3: thou and thy fellows that sit before thee, for they
Speaker 3: are men wondered at. And so if you look again
Speaker 3: in Revelation chapter at the fifth at the fifth seal,
Speaker 3: the martyrs under the altar who ask God we mentioned before,
Speaker 3: how long to you avenges? God tells them wait a
Speaker 3: little while. But he also gives them garments. When you
Speaker 3: get to Revelation chapter seven, where I believe you see
Speaker 3: the raptured church, they have this. It specifically says they
Speaker 3: have on white roads, right, so they have on these
Speaker 3: white garments to symbolize them being in They're in heaven.
Speaker 3: So I believe is this a prophetic image of him
Speaker 3: standing among or seeing a vision of the raptured church
Speaker 3: and God saying, if you fulfill my mission, you're going
Speaker 3: to stand with these men who are wondered at And
Speaker 3: then it says in verse nine, I won't read, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna read the whole thing. But then it
Speaker 3: says that for behold the stone I have laid before Joshua,
Speaker 3: upon one stone shall be seven eyes. Behold, I will
Speaker 3: engrave the graving there of, say the Lord of Host,
Speaker 3: and or remove the iniquity of that of that land
Speaker 3: in one day. So again I believe this is referring
Speaker 3: to the end times emption of Israel, the temple, keeping
Speaker 3: my house right. And what was Rabba Bel and josh
Speaker 3: are trying to do at that time is about rebuilding
Speaker 3: the wall, rebuilding the temple, And so I believe in
Speaker 3: end times that's a possibility. And when you get to
Speaker 3: zer rabbit Bel, you see a prophecy in Hagi where
Speaker 3: you know that famous verse, not not by strength, but
Speaker 3: by my spirit, say at the Lord, And it tells
Speaker 3: the rabbit Bel that God's asking him to be an
Speaker 3: end sign at some point in the future, and he
Speaker 3: makes this reference to him being an olive tree standing
Speaker 3: before the Lord. And you see again this symbol of
Speaker 3: these olive trees and branches and lamps before the Lord
Speaker 3: in the Book of Revelation. So I think there's a
Speaker 3: possibility that both of them, those two who had a
Speaker 3: similar mission. Again, and a lot of this is the
Speaker 3: center around the temple, could be the two witnesses witnessing
Speaker 3: at the Third Temple in the Great Tribulation.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that before, So that's that's awesome. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got to hear a different perception. And Gary,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we have to speculate because we're not
Speaker 4: provided the names, so of course we want to be
Speaker 4: clear that, but we know there are two witnesses. I
Speaker 4: you know, I find the argument absolutely fascinating, and all
Speaker 4: the good reasons I tend to sort of look sort
Speaker 4: of locked my investigation into try and narrow it down
Speaker 4: as best as I can, as flowed as we are,
Speaker 4: is that everybody is reserved to die the first death
Speaker 4: once except for those that are going to be raptured, right,
Speaker 4: And so there's not that many candidates who haven't suffered
Speaker 4: that first death, and we know the two witnesses are
Speaker 4: going to die, So if if, if that's true, and
Speaker 4: again that's just sort of one of the basis is
Speaker 4: to sort of for me to start trying to narrow
Speaker 4: it down. Then that suggests to me that we have
Speaker 4: Enoch who could testify as a witness to the anti Luvian,
Speaker 4: which would be a good choice. You have Elijah, who
Speaker 4: we know is coming back, but to make the way
Speaker 4: for Jesus as opposed, which might be more if you're
Speaker 4: a mid trip slightly after like I am from positioning,
Speaker 4: which makes more sense with Jesus coming back then and
Speaker 4: for his days of exodus and his days of armagedin
Speaker 4: to make that way. So he's one, but he may
Speaker 4: have a different role. And I'll come back to that
Speaker 4: in a second. And then there's another one that would
Speaker 4: be you would need a witness for the New Covenant,
Speaker 4: the New Testament. And you get this interesting passage at
Speaker 4: the passages at the end of the Book of John
Speaker 4: about the disciple Jesus loved, and this discussion about was
Speaker 4: is he going to die or not? And basically, you
Speaker 4: know Jesus saying, well, what's that to you? Whether I
Speaker 4: want him to live basically till I come back or not? Right,
Speaker 4: And so I think you've got three good individuals there
Speaker 4: based on who suffered the first death, if that's one
Speaker 4: of the criterias, and so, but I would say I
Speaker 4: would narrow it down to Enoch and the disciple Jesus loved,
Speaker 4: who's not named. There's lots of theories from Lazareth to
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalen to notahan ale. I kind of like that
Speaker 4: one as well. More lean towards that one. But you
Speaker 4: could also some people named John as well. And I'm
Speaker 4: sure we get a death of John or not. That's
Speaker 4: in the scripture that we can rely on, so one
Speaker 4: might be sort of open to that. And Elijah would
Speaker 4: also fit very well with the bringing back of lost
Speaker 4: Israel and Judah and the Exodus as one of the
Speaker 4: seven shepherds that is led by Jesus and Micah two
Speaker 4: and Micah five for that event. So I would lean
Speaker 4: based on that that I can fit all three in,
Speaker 4: and I would lean towards Enoch and the disciple Jesus loved,
Speaker 4: who that would be. And you also get I'm going
Speaker 4: too deep into this one, but as it was a
Speaker 4: reference in the Book of Zachariah with those two olive
Speaker 4: stands and all that imagery that goes in there, it
Speaker 4: just starts to open up doors to all sorts of
Speaker 4: possibilities as who's being represented there in the Old Testament,
Speaker 4: and those stands also show up in the New Testament
Speaker 4: in the Book of Revelations. So so yeah, you can
Speaker 4: go out it a thousand different ways. I sort of
Speaker 4: zeroed in and said, I think it's probably in these
Speaker 4: three because of that first sort of basis and premise
Speaker 4: that I made.
Speaker 1: Man, it's weird because when I first asked that question,
Speaker 1: which I've never thought of, I thought of Enoch and
Speaker 1: Elijah for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe God just put that in my head.
Speaker 1: So when you started speaking, Gary, I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to say that. So, hey, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: All the takes were awesome. I think Elijah and Moses
Speaker 1: met Jesus on the hills. So Scott, do you want
Speaker 1: to go through why you why you chose them, or
Speaker 1: or are you just.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll just give you very quick ones because
Speaker 5: we've already mentioned Moses and Elijah. I definitely defer to
Speaker 5: the superior intellect of both Gary and Ryan. On these
Speaker 5: other choices, which I think are excellent and dead right,
Speaker 5: we can only speculate because we're not given the names.
Speaker 5: But I based my belief on three things. One you
Speaker 5: just mentioned, Josh, the amount of Transfiguration showed the Kingdom
Speaker 5: in a vision form, with both Moses and Elijah present
Speaker 5: with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. The other reason
Speaker 5: I would number two would be the last chapter of
Speaker 5: the last book of the Old Testament. Malachi four mentions
Speaker 5: both Moses and Elijah by name, and in verse four
Speaker 5: of chapter four it says, remember you the law of Moses,
Speaker 5: my servant, and in verse five it says, behold, I
Speaker 5: will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of
Speaker 5: the great and dreadful.
Speaker 3: Day of the Lord.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't as they will be the two witnesses,
Speaker 5: but it sure does seem to point in that direction.
Speaker 5: But the third thing that kind of censes it for
Speaker 5: me for now, and I'm wide open to a better
Speaker 5: understanding if the Lord shows and I have no this
Speaker 5: is not my hill to die on by any stretch.
Speaker 5: And that's in Revelation eleven, when they're described the two
Speaker 5: witnesses there. It's the power they're given in verse six.
Speaker 5: These have power to shut heaven that it rained not
Speaker 5: in the days of their prophecy, which happened with Elijah
Speaker 5: yep in a half years, and have power over waters,
Speaker 5: to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth
Speaker 5: with all plagues as often as they will, which would
Speaker 5: have preceded the exodus with Moses. So I think those
Speaker 5: are my arguments for those two names.
Speaker 6: You think that's why that's why Michael five the devil
Speaker 6: for Moses's body as well, because his body might be
Speaker 6: needed later on in life.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a great question, Jason, and I wonder
Speaker 5: sometimes is he talking about the physical body of Moses,
Speaker 5: which did die, or is he talking about the church
Speaker 5: that was baptized under Moses in the cloud as we
Speaker 5: are the body of Christ. Could that have been a church?
Speaker 5: Could that have been Israel? And it was something about
Speaker 5: their righteousness? You know that that's a great that's a
Speaker 5: great point. But I bet Gary has an even better
Speaker 5: point to make.
Speaker 4: Well. It's interesting and that you're talking about in the
Speaker 4: Book of Jude where Satan has come to claim Moses's
Speaker 4: dead body or a book of Hebrews. I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 4: I might be mixing it up, but anyway, dude, Yes,
Speaker 4: So what's interesting about that is is I think Satan's
Speaker 4: going there for his due legal right to claim Moses
Speaker 4: because Moses was adopted into the royal family of the Pharaohs,
Speaker 4: and he would have been initiated at Heliopolis into the
Speaker 4: mysteries and taken all of the oaths swearing his loyalty
Speaker 4: and everything else, and we were held accountable or are oaths,
Speaker 4: which is why we're instructed not to give an oath
Speaker 4: because you're going to be held accountable for that. And
Speaker 4: so when Moses died because of those oaths, I think
Speaker 4: he showed up to make claim his legal right on
Speaker 4: He's not going to go to heaven, he's mine. But
Speaker 4: the thing is is is Satan isn't the God most High,
Speaker 4: and God trumped that legal claim. He can trump anything
Speaker 4: that he wants because he is who he is, and
Speaker 4: he can do what he chooses because he's the Alfa
Speaker 4: Omega and he knows everything. And so I think that's
Speaker 4: why you have that claim there. And just my sort
Speaker 4: of interesting thought because it's such an odd passage that
Speaker 4: sort of comes out of nowhere and says, well, why
Speaker 4: is Satan fighting over Moses's body? And how many other
Speaker 4: bodies you know, of the disciples or great profits was
Speaker 4: he fighting over. We're not told of any just the one.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, and I do RECOGNI eyes that Moses was.
Speaker 4: It was in in the it was in the transfiguration,
Speaker 4: and you know what, he could be back in the
Speaker 4: last seven years as well, because there's seven shepherds and
Speaker 4: even eight as it says so for for the exodus,
Speaker 4: so there could be more people. But it's such a
Speaker 4: it's such a fabulous topic in terms of why two
Speaker 4: witnesses and not three or not how many? However many
Speaker 4: or seven which would be a complete number, and why
Speaker 4: aren't they named? It's just a mystery, right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting Also maybe uh, maybe Satan might want might
Speaker 1: have wanted his body so he could put it somewhere
Speaker 1: in you know, so that maybe Jews would be like
Speaker 1: worshiping it, you know what I mean. That's maybe another
Speaker 1: way to think about it. Like let's say they did.
Speaker 1: Let's say Satan got the body and they put it
Speaker 1: into casket and they put it into Jerusalem, and then
Speaker 1: Moses's body you know, his casket was there. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just tripping.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it came just just as what happened in
Speaker 4: Israel when they were starting to worship the the seraphim
Speaker 4: in image on the poll that was put up in
Speaker 4: in the time of the exodus. Right, that would absolutely
Speaker 4: use it.
Speaker 6: That's a crazy subject as well, because why use a
Speaker 6: bad survey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 5: It kind of makes you wonder what would Satan want
Speaker 5: with his body anyways, seeing as how the soul is
Speaker 5: what he's interested in, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's where I know he did sin before
Speaker 6: you you didn't get to see the promised land, so
Speaker 6: he died before seeing the promised land, right.
Speaker 3: So well, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 5: But that's why I say there's a possibility that we're
Speaker 5: looking at it from a different perspective because if we
Speaker 5: think about we that are baptized by one spirit into
Speaker 5: one body, and Christ is the head of the church,
Speaker 5: the body of Christ, and that's a church. And then
Speaker 5: Paul mentioned that they our fathers were baptizing the cloud
Speaker 5: and in the sea under Moses, and so he was
Speaker 5: like the head of a church because Christ had not
Speaker 5: yet been offered for sins, so it could be that
Speaker 5: it was a dispute over that group, over that church.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just one of those pot all right,
Speaker 8: all right, So now we're on the sixth trumpet basically
Speaker 8: in the in the timeline, so we'd go like the
Speaker 8: six trumpet. Uh, now, question about the sixth trumpet. Uh,
Speaker 8: it's talking about the four angels who are bound in
Speaker 8: the Great River of Euphrates. A lot of people right
Speaker 8: now have been sending video after video, and Ryan, I
Speaker 8: know you're pretty good on this one.
Speaker 2: I heard because I've heard you on a lot of
Speaker 2: podcasts on this part.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are like, oh, like all
Speaker 1: these people that aren't even non Christian are like, look
Speaker 1: at the review of Euphrates is drying up right now,
Speaker 1: and there's some people that are saying they're recording some
Speaker 1: sounds and also like tombs are are are are being
Speaker 1: exposed because the river's drying up. So people keep on saying, well,
Speaker 1: it's happening, it's happening, but they don't understand, like the
Speaker 1: seals have to be broken first, and then also the uh,
Speaker 1: the other trumpets have to go off because obviously they're
Speaker 1: not reading the Bible.
Speaker 2: So but go ahead Ryan on that one if you can.
Speaker 2: The four angels.
Speaker 3: Right, so so yeah, so, so lots to say here, right,
Speaker 3: so as it was in the days of Noah. So
Speaker 3: I believe here, you know, we're seeing the reenactment of
Speaker 3: the flood judgment rights.
Speaker 4: And you have.
Speaker 3: First, you know, in the days of Noah, you have
Speaker 3: the windows of Heaven open, and the rain obviously came down,
Speaker 3: but also the fountains of the deep, so you have
Speaker 3: water coming from below and from above. And I believe
Speaker 3: in the antimes you're gonna see an angelic flood. So
Speaker 3: you have now the Abyss is opened, you have the
Speaker 3: locus state Genesis. Six angels come out from the Abyss,
Speaker 3: the spirit Abbadom. But then you also have the revelation
Speaker 3: twelve the angels satan In evicted, with the remainder of
Speaker 3: the fallen angels coming down to Earth. And in the
Speaker 3: midst of this you also have the six trumpet. These
Speaker 3: four angels were abound in the aufrateers, so I also
Speaker 3: believe we're bound in the days of Noah. But they
Speaker 3: clearly were warrior, serious warrior angels because they you know,
Speaker 3: they lead an assault and wipe out a third of
Speaker 3: the population. Right, they killed they I mean they are
Speaker 3: they're killing, you know, over a billion people. And so
Speaker 3: what I see there is, you know, Jesus said, as
Speaker 3: it was in the days of Noah. But he said
Speaker 3: also likewise, as it was in the days of Lot.
Speaker 3: And what I show is, I believe what were these
Speaker 3: two judgments of the fifth trumpet and the sixth trumpet
Speaker 3: are what I call quantum repetitions, dynamic repetitions through time
Speaker 3: of the judgment in the days of Noah and the
Speaker 3: days of Lot. How is that when we see the again,
Speaker 3: it's connected to time. At the fifth trumpet, we're told
Speaker 3: that these locusts who don't harm the grass, so they're
Speaker 3: not really insects. I believe they are. Again the grotesque
Speaker 3: figures of these fallen angels are now being degraded. It says,
Speaker 3: they torment those who do not have the seal of God.
Speaker 3: So the unsaved world, the unsaved people of the world,
Speaker 3: they torment them for five months, right, one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty days on the Hebrew calendar. When you go back,
Speaker 3: and I show this in judgment the Flim I talk
Speaker 3: about that Assyrian who I believe was the fallen angel
Speaker 3: who led the rebellion in the days of Noah, who
Speaker 3: also I believe is called abad On Apollo, who's the
Speaker 3: king of the bottomless pit. That when in Ezekiel chapter
Speaker 3: thirty one it describes his rise and fall, and God
Speaker 3: says the end of Ezekiel thirty one, then the day
Speaker 3: he judged him, the day he was dragged down to
Speaker 3: the Abyss, God says I, he said, God says I abated.
Speaker 3: The flood waters were abated, they were assuage, the flood
Speaker 3: waters were restrained. Going to Genesis chapter eight, when you
Speaker 3: look at the chronology of the flood, right, the flood
Speaker 3: destroyed the Nephilim. It destroyed the Nephilum, destroyed all the
Speaker 3: earth except for Noah and his family. On the arc,
Speaker 3: I believe the angels were dragged downto the Abyss. It
Speaker 3: was after one hundred and fifty days, that is when
Speaker 3: the floodwaters were restrained and returned back down down to
Speaker 3: the Abyss, dragging the angels with them. So I make
Speaker 3: the connection of one hundred and fifty days of judgment
Speaker 3: before the angels were brought down to the Abyss, then
Speaker 3: they were released from the Abyss in the end times,
Speaker 3: and now they torment the unsaved world for one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty days as it was in the days of Noah.
Speaker 3: Get to the sixth trumpet, and when we're told you
Speaker 3: have these four angels again who are released from the
Speaker 3: who are bound below the river Euphrates, and now they
Speaker 3: are set for a judgment. Says for a year, a month,
Speaker 3: a day, and an hour, which again on the Hebrew
Speaker 3: calendar is three hundred and ninety two days. And so
Speaker 3: what does that mean? What's the connection there? What I
Speaker 3: show is I just put out the chronologies you just
Speaker 3: see again in the book of Genesis, when you go
Speaker 3: from the time of the of the flood to when
Speaker 3: God is getting preparing to judge Sodom and gomor it
Speaker 3: to three hundred and ninety two years. And so I
Speaker 3: believe it's just a day for a year punishment which
Speaker 3: God says at certain times. You know in number thirteen,
Speaker 3: when the twelve Spies come back and they rebel against God.
Speaker 3: Ten rebel, god'sitding to judge you forty years a day
Speaker 3: for a year. In the book of Ezekiel, God judges,
Speaker 3: he makes Ezekiel lay on his side for three hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety days a day for a year of judgment
Speaker 3: again Israel. So I believe we're seeing the days of
Speaker 3: Noah at the fifth trumpet, the days of Lot at
Speaker 3: the sixth trumpet, and obviously the unsaved world being judged
Speaker 3: and wiped out, you know, a third of the population
Speaker 3: wiped out.
Speaker 1: Okay, and all right, so anything you guys have on that,
Speaker 1: then we go into the seventh trumpet, right, would be
Speaker 1: the next.
Speaker 4: I'll touch on just a little bit of what Ryan
Speaker 4: was talking about. So yeah, I mean these were you know,
Speaker 4: angels that were chained, right, So loyal angels aren't chained,
Speaker 4: so they're fallen angels reserved to cause destruction to human
Speaker 4: kind for a specific period of time, which leads into
Speaker 4: the two hundred million man war that most people think
Speaker 4: is Armageddon. I tend to think it's the Joel one
Speaker 4: and two war and the Ezekiel thirty eight and thirty
Speaker 4: nine war, the counterfeit Armageddon, And just as Joel talks about,
Speaker 4: it's the greatest armies though that was ever assembled or ever.
Speaker 4: So the armies are bigger there than there will be
Speaker 4: at Armageddon, and we don't get any numbers that are uh,
Speaker 4: you know, for you further on passages and revelation to
Speaker 4: the numbers in Armageddon. And what's interesting about the woes
Speaker 4: that are that that are happening at the at this
Speaker 4: time of the trumpets and those that are released from
Speaker 4: the abyss is the first woe, right, So this is
Speaker 4: this is important stuff. And people who don't have the
Speaker 4: seal or whether or not it's Christians or it's just
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty four thousand good arguments on both sides,
Speaker 4: they're going to be stung by these things for five
Speaker 4: months and they're going to want death and it's not
Speaker 4: going to come. This is going to be horrific for
Speaker 4: whoever they run run across on. It's interesting that the
Speaker 4: Hebrew word for scorpion is a crab. And it's also
Speaker 4: interesting that in Sumeria in pre flood times they had
Speaker 4: these warrior gods that were part of it says created
Speaker 4: by TMT, But I think it's I don't think they
Speaker 4: create gods. I think they're just part of the angelic saba,
Speaker 4: host of heaven an army. That these are the warrior
Speaker 4: destroyer type of angels that they you know, rebelled against
Speaker 4: God with in, you know, in the original rebellion, and
Speaker 4: that they were called the Akraba Malou sometimes also called
Speaker 4: the Girda Balou. But they are if you look at
Speaker 4: the depictions on the release, if you if you google that,
Speaker 4: they are almost identical for the description of these things
Speaker 4: coming out of the Abyss. And they had the ability
Speaker 4: to destroy the world. Is the power of the weapons
Speaker 4: that these things had, and they they act exactly the same.
Speaker 4: So Ryan was saying that it's his belief that these
Speaker 4: are degraded falling in angels in a different sort of
Speaker 4: stature than that what they would have had before they
Speaker 4: were sentenced. And I think that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: And we see that in another group of angels that
Speaker 4: probably if they were degraded after the flood, they would
Speaker 4: have ended up going to the Abyss for the same
Speaker 4: types of crimes as the ones angels before the flood.
Speaker 4: And that's the satire. And that's the Hebrew word saire,
Speaker 4: and it's a contracted word, and air is the word
Speaker 4: that and some people just say ear is the Hebrew
Speaker 4: word that's used four times in the den in the
Speaker 4: Book of Daniel, chapter four for watcher and saw is
Speaker 4: a short and formed in that contracted word for harry
Speaker 4: or shaggy, and that the definition of satyre saire is
Speaker 4: a shagy goat god or a harry goat god, or
Speaker 4: a shaggy goat, as it's also used in the Old Testament.
Speaker 4: And these are degraded watchers, the satiers, just like the
Speaker 4: scorpions are. And so I think he's bang on that
Speaker 4: these are the you know, the the destroyer class that
Speaker 4: a baddened Apolyon. And I think is Azel the scapegoat
Speaker 4: who was the destroyer of the world, just a scapegoat,
Speaker 4: goes back in the King James version Bible too, Azazel
Speaker 4: for all of the sins of the anti deliving world
Speaker 4: and taught the world the arts of making weapons, the
Speaker 4: art of war that wasn't there before. That is, you know,
Speaker 4: the cause of the violence through the demigod Nuffling that
Speaker 4: paraded the world along with the universal religion, into absolute destruction.
Speaker 4: And what's also interesting about what Ryan had said earlier
Speaker 4: that and I thought was really good. He was he
Speaker 4: was He's thinking that somehow, some way, there is a
Speaker 4: possession or as the polytheist would probably call it in
Speaker 4: this case, an avatar avatara effect going on with the
Speaker 4: leader of the Abyss, who is going to be the
Speaker 4: Avatar with the Avatara Antichrist and give him additional power
Speaker 4: in the end time. And what's interesting is that the
Speaker 4: Son of Perdition is part of a Greek set of
Speaker 4: Greek words that are associated with Apollion and goes through
Speaker 4: to God's like Apollo, and that he is either allegorically
Speaker 4: a son of Azazel or a bad Napoleon, because those
Speaker 4: are titles, they're not an angel's name. It ends inn
Speaker 4: el for an angel's name. So it's a title, just
Speaker 4: as Shiva is a destroyer God and the equivalent god
Speaker 4: in the Hindu pantheon. And so it seems like perhaps
Speaker 4: maybe at the time of the mortal wound, just before
Speaker 4: the midpoint of the last seven years that Antichrist receives,
Speaker 4: maybe that's the point where that incarnation as has been
Speaker 4: inserted into Christianity, which is a polytheis term that Shiva
Speaker 4: and Vishnu used to do, like Vishnu was the incarnation
Speaker 4: into Buddha, just as Antichrist is going to be the
Speaker 4: new Buddha. It's a it's not a Christian concept. We
Speaker 4: have to be careful of that term, and that's why
Speaker 4: they look at Antichrist as being a as an incarnation
Speaker 4: for the end time, because he's just one of many
Speaker 4: that have come along that these gods have gone into.
Speaker 4: And we know biblically angels can do this because Satan
Speaker 4: entered into Judas just before the crucifixion to go through
Speaker 4: with betraying Jesus because he was struggling to do that.
Speaker 4: So we know Satan and angels by extension would have
Speaker 4: that ability to do that. So I just thought i'd
Speaker 4: underline that point that Ryan's made a couple of times
Speaker 4: on the scorpion angels into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all interesting right there. So then we
Speaker 1: got the seventh trumpet and then we got the the
Speaker 1: plagues after that, right the seven plagues or the vials
Speaker 1: or some some people would call it, or bulls is
Speaker 1: another thing they would call it.
Speaker 2: Uh, the seven is that the wrath that you were
Speaker 2: talking about, Gary.
Speaker 4: It is, and we it's the it's the year of
Speaker 4: the Lord's wrath that the Old Testament talks about being
Speaker 4: poured out, poured out over the last time of the
Speaker 4: day of the Lord. And so these wrath bulls are
Speaker 4: going to effect sometime into Antichrist reign, so they're not
Speaker 4: starting right at his reign. He's going to have a
Speaker 4: rain where things start, you know, are are going I
Speaker 4: think reasonably well. But then the wars and things, just
Speaker 4: as in Daniel eleven, after the abomination, we start to
Speaker 4: see some of those wars, that some of the pushback
Speaker 4: from the rest of the countries around the world. And
Speaker 4: so uh, it's I always find it astounding how the
Speaker 4: image and the prophetic language of the Old Testament and
Speaker 4: the New Testament always matches up in perfection. And so
Speaker 4: if we look at that as a year of the
Speaker 4: Lord's wrath, the year of his vengeance, and I won't
Speaker 4: go through all the different passages on that, then that's
Speaker 4: the time of the wrath pulls, and that's what we're
Speaker 4: not going to be part of because that's reserved for
Speaker 4: the people who take the mark worship anti Christ and
Speaker 4: worship Satan.
Speaker 2: Ryan or Scott either one.
Speaker 5: Well, I would say that to me, the wrath of
Speaker 5: God is falling throughout the last three and a half years.
Speaker 3: That is what I see happening, because clearly the.
Speaker 5: Angels loose from the bottomless pit and the huge army
Speaker 5: from Joel chapter two that's in the sixth seal. Are
Speaker 5: God's wrath upon this earth? You know, I don't think
Speaker 5: they're there to give tribulation to the saints, necessarily to
Speaker 5: torment those that don't take the mark. And also it's
Speaker 5: true that during the entire three and a half year
Speaker 5: second half of the three and a half years is
Speaker 5: when I believe this the Everlasting Gospel is being preached
Speaker 5: to me. Once Moses and Elijah or whoever the two
Speaker 5: witnesses are finish their testimony, I believe they're going to
Speaker 5: be caught up along with the one hundred and forty
Speaker 5: four thousand, and I would call that amid tribulation rapture
Speaker 5: of that group of people. But once they leave Israel flees,
Speaker 5: that's when the war and Revelation twelve takes place and
Speaker 5: the angels are cast down. So to me, all the
Speaker 5: entire three and a half years, at the last half
Speaker 5: are the ones is God's wrath being poured down. I
Speaker 5: equate the day of the Lord as the entire thousand
Speaker 5: year reign of Christ plus the darkness of the last
Speaker 5: three and a half years, because the Day of the
Speaker 5: Lord is darkness and not light. And yet when the
Speaker 5: Lord comes, he's the day spring, the day dawns, and
Speaker 5: he brings light back. So it's the day of the
Speaker 5: Lord the whole time. He's her reigning on the earth.
Speaker 5: But it begins with wrath, just as the Hebrew day
Speaker 5: starts with the evening and then the morning. And incidentally,
Speaker 5: that everlasting Gospel is being preached by an angel. No
Speaker 5: humans are left to preach a gospel during the last
Speaker 5: three and a half years. It's angels saying, don't take
Speaker 5: the mark, worship God and come out of Babylon, which
Speaker 5: to me is apostate Jerusalem under the auspices of the Antichrist.
Speaker 3: But that's another another story.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ryan, we're on the seven bulls now right, Go ahead, Gary.
Speaker 4: So I look at the gospel being preached that Jesus
Speaker 4: talks about as being a first three and a half
Speaker 4: year event, and just as it happens before the abomination
Speaker 4: in the chronology that he provides, part of that gospel
Speaker 4: being preaches one hundred and forty four thousand and the
Speaker 4: two Witnesses, and then at Revelation fourteen six you get
Speaker 4: the final Angel that is going to preach the final Gospel,
Speaker 4: and then we get that interesting summary afterwards for the
Speaker 4: summary of the last three and a half years. So
Speaker 4: that's kind of the cutoff of that preaching of the Gospel.
Speaker 4: And then you go into the last three and a
Speaker 4: half years, and I think you're going to see horrible
Speaker 4: events all the way through the three and a half years,
Speaker 4: but I still look at the year of the Lord's
Speaker 4: favor and then the year of the Lord's wrath. Ryan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean these are all excellent points, and
Speaker 3: I would just add two things. One that you know,
Speaker 3: Gary kind of already alluded to how we're seeing this
Speaker 3: kind of again the repetition, right, So much of this
Speaker 3: I believe was like, you know, repetition of the Exodus
Speaker 3: judgments and even mentioned before a second Exodus, Right, this
Speaker 3: is like God is now directing his judgment in a
Speaker 3: similar fashion. Water turn to blood, sores, boils on the skin.
Speaker 3: So we're seeing this repetition of the excess and then
Speaker 3: even darkness directed specifically at the Antichrist's seat at his throne.
Speaker 3: So I would add that and the other thing too,
Speaker 3: to remember when we think about the witnesses, the one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty four thousand, the angel that's actually preaching
Speaker 3: to the world saying don't take the mark of the beast.
Speaker 3: Is that there is gonna be massive I believe, supernatural
Speaker 3: deception from the Antichrist, from the false prophet, and from
Speaker 3: all the angels that are now on earth. Right the
Speaker 3: veil is removed, It says that, so the you know,
Speaker 3: think about the world has to be massively deceived to
Speaker 3: just embrace the Antichrist. The Revelation thirteen says they're gonna
Speaker 3: worship Satan even during the vile judgments and the and
Speaker 3: the trumpet judgments, they still don't repent. God brings these
Speaker 3: cataclysmic judgments death, a third the population dies, and people
Speaker 3: still don't repent, it says, of their sorceries. So people
Speaker 3: are gonna really you know. And of course in Matthew
Speaker 3: twenty four is that even the elect could be deceived
Speaker 3: if it were possible. So this is going to be
Speaker 3: mind blowing supernatural deception taking place. And so I agree
Speaker 3: with all the other points, just wanted to add that
Speaker 3: as well as to why you see the people still
Speaker 3: are resisting God after all of this, you know, cataclysmic judgment.
Speaker 5: Incidentally, the word sorceries there you mentioned in Revelation is
Speaker 5: the Greek word pharmacopedia, which to do with drugs, pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, and what's interesting is Babylon deceives the world with
Speaker 4: her sorceries Pharmakaia.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 4: Babylon is going to be the one who sets up
Speaker 4: the beast system for Antichrist. That's going to include the
Speaker 4: implant system, right, that's going to be delivering as the
Speaker 4: Davos people were saying in twenty seventeen, they want digitally
Speaker 4: applied medicine through the implant system, and they're going to
Speaker 4: deliver this within that sort of manner that connects to
Speaker 4: all the other different sort of technologies through the healthcare system.
Speaker 4: And people are going to demand it because I think
Speaker 4: most of I think the seals and the trumpet judgments
Speaker 4: are contrived catastrophes by the rulers of the earth and
Speaker 4: again separate from the wrath of God that is reserved
Speaker 4: for the people who, as you know, we've talked about
Speaker 4: taking the market worshiping Satan an Antichrist. So I just
Speaker 4: think that's just so kind of interesting in terms of
Speaker 4: looking at it from from that kind of perspective that
Speaker 4: really is.
Speaker 5: You're not saying that Davos Group has anything to do
Speaker 5: with the Serpent Brotherhood, are you, Gary?
Speaker 3: I sure hope they aren't.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, or the Committee of Three under no, nothing
Speaker 4: to do with that.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yes, Now we're getting into some deep stuff, all right.
Speaker 1: So all right, so we got the sixth Bowl, then
Speaker 1: the seventh bull is poured. Okay, so thunder lightning earthquake
Speaker 1: destroys the cities of the world. Okay, uh, now we
Speaker 1: got the seventh Bull. So what's next after that? What's happened?
Speaker 2: What happened? What's after the twenty one judgments? What's next?
Speaker 4: Ryan?
Speaker 2: You could you could take it? Since I think.
Speaker 3: A sure sure, so yeah, yeah, yeah. So so it's interesting. Right,
Speaker 3: so you have at the at the sixth bowl right now,
Speaker 3: you have the drying up of the euphrates right first,
Speaker 3: you have the angels coming from it at the at
Speaker 3: the sixth trumpet. But now now we're getting ready for
Speaker 3: you know, the war, right for the gathering of the
Speaker 3: armies at Army Geddon. And I mentioned this before that
Speaker 3: I believe Armygeddon is really a series of battles that
Speaker 3: Gary mentioned before. The prophecies we see in Ezekiel, and
Speaker 3: of course in Revelation twelve, with the remnant is taken
Speaker 3: into the wilderness to be supernaturally protected by God, the
Speaker 3: believing remnant. And I believe Jesus even says he's going
Speaker 3: to preach with the preach to them and plead with them,
Speaker 3: and try them and teach them right, so again a
Speaker 3: repetition of the exous. I believe that's going to take
Speaker 3: place in Edom Basra while you have it Armageddon, which
Speaker 3: I believe is where the Antichrist gathers his armies right
Speaker 3: so northwest of Jerusalem and then heads on a warpath
Speaker 3: towards Jerusalem, heading south by southeast, while the Lord Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ is coming north by northwest, meeting at Jerusalem, which
Speaker 3: I believe is where the final battle takes place. So
Speaker 3: they drive them through. Phrase is really the time to
Speaker 3: marshal the armies for this final assault on Jerusalem to
Speaker 3: war with Jesus. And I believe you see the prophecies
Speaker 3: again that say who is this coming from Eden with
Speaker 3: blood stained garments? In Revelation nineteen, we already see Jesus
Speaker 3: coming and it says he already has blood on his robes.
Speaker 3: And I believe because he's battling the enemy forces all
Speaker 3: the way to clash with the Antichrist at Jerusalem where
Speaker 3: he's going to be ultimately judged. I believe right in
Speaker 3: the Valley of jehosephat mm.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Anything to add Scott or or Gary to that,
Speaker 2: I'll let Scott go first.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 5: I'll just say yeah, I mean somewhere in there is
Speaker 5: the the judgment of the Great Horror, and I'll suspect
Speaker 5: it coincides there. I do think mystery Babylon has to
Speaker 5: do with this, this antichrist alignment of Jerusalem, but him
Speaker 5: taking that, you know, that throne, so to speak, him
Speaker 5: setting up the abomination of desolation in the temple and
Speaker 5: that desecration, so that judgment is going to take place
Speaker 5: as well. I think it's all coinciding that that meeting
Speaker 5: to me in Jerusalem seems to be the the h
Speaker 5: where everything's culminating. I would agree with Ryan on that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say a couple of things on
Speaker 4: this is is that I would place the place of
Speaker 4: armageddon closer to Mount Herman, and I agree with I
Speaker 4: got something flashing on my screen here that we go
Speaker 4: get it away. I would agree with some others who
Speaker 4: would say that that g it should be understood in
Speaker 4: Armageddon as silent that happened in about the time of Tiberius.
Speaker 4: So it would be Horrors and Mountain Harror Madonne, which
Speaker 4: is the word for congregation. And I think the Council
Speaker 4: of the Gods was located on Mount Herman. And I
Speaker 4: won't go through all the details, but I think that's
Speaker 4: where you're going to have it, on the slopes of
Speaker 4: Mount Hermon and then all throughout right into the valleys
Speaker 4: of Lebanon because of the size of the armies and
Speaker 4: things like that, and that Jesus is coming not only
Speaker 4: from Bosra and Edam, but he is exerting judgment. Either
Speaker 4: Antichrist is doing it or Jesus is doing it with
Speaker 4: also Ammon and Moab and a couple of other countries.
Speaker 4: But it's not always clear to me that could be
Speaker 4: Antichrist as he's marching back and north, that he's going
Speaker 4: through and doing that destruction as described in Daniel eleven.
Speaker 4: So I would like I said, I would just place
Speaker 4: it more on the plain below Mount Herman for Armageddon.
Speaker 4: And I was thinking about that drying up of the Euphrates.
Speaker 4: Maybe something different than crossing the Euphrates here because there's
Speaker 4: a couple, there's an event that happens in between. So
Speaker 4: you could have a drying up because of all of
Speaker 4: the other destruction and droughts and things that would be
Speaker 4: going on. But you have this scourge that is in
Speaker 4: Revelation twelve at the midpoint of the last seven years,
Speaker 4: at the time Judah is going to flee Jerusalem and
Speaker 4: be protected for three and a half years in the wilderness,
Speaker 4: you have this scourge that is like a river that
Speaker 4: the dragon or Satan is going to spew out to
Speaker 4: try and kill them at that time. And as you
Speaker 4: take that back to Versus in the Book of Isaiah,
Speaker 4: that this overwhelming scourge is going to overwhelm end time
Speaker 4: due to at that time this seems to be a
Speaker 4: breaking of the dams that earn the euphrates rivers, because
Speaker 4: it seems to have words in Hebrew that link back
Speaker 4: to the rivers of the Euphrates that are spilling over
Speaker 4: that are going to take them by day and night,
Speaker 4: but God's going to protect them. And also like the
Speaker 4: aspect about the connection that Ryan made into Second Exodus,
Speaker 4: because again in Revelation twelve, you have God taking them
Speaker 4: by the wings of eagles, which is the same words
Speaker 4: that are used in the First Exodus, and so you
Speaker 4: get all of those things sort of coming together from
Speaker 4: that sort of aspect. And then the final thing is
Speaker 4: is timing of Babylon seems to be as a destruction
Speaker 4: of the universal religion, so Antichrist can set up his
Speaker 4: own relie and his worship, just as is also described
Speaker 4: in Daniel eleven with you know a God that his
Speaker 4: fathers didn't know. And in Revelation seventeen, what's really interesting
Speaker 4: is is you have the ten Kings are going to
Speaker 4: hand over their beast through their power for one hour
Speaker 4: so that they can destroy Babylon, and that seems to
Speaker 4: be from that chronology again right after the midpoint of
Speaker 4: the seven years, and then you get the mark of
Speaker 4: the Beast showing loyalty to anti Christ, only in a
Speaker 4: whole new religion being set up.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're now we're at the Seventh Bull, which
Speaker 1: is thunder lightning, earthquake destroys the cities in the world,
Speaker 1: the Great City. So so we got the Battle of Armageddon,
Speaker 1: then we got the Seventh Bull, and what would be
Speaker 1: after that, Guys, what's on the timeline is this Jesus
Speaker 1: is coming back. You'll be back now, right? Is that
Speaker 1: the next thing Jesus would be coming back?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we're we're closing in on Revelation nineteen Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're pretty Malaysia nineteen Sarmageddon. So Jesus is back.
Speaker 4: At that point, everybody's destroyed, right, and then you start
Speaker 4: the millennium.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And then there's the angel that takes hold of Lucifer
Speaker 5: Satan and binds him with the chain for a thousand years, and.
Speaker 2: Then after that we have Satan coming back.
Speaker 1: Well that thousand years that we have right there is
Speaker 1: uh A lot of pastors say that nobody's going to
Speaker 1: be able to die, you know during that time, people
Speaker 1: are going to be living for a thousand years?
Speaker 2: Is that? Do you guys agree with that or what is?
Speaker 4: Guess?
Speaker 3: I think it's more than a lengthened lifespans. Right in
Speaker 3: the Book of Isaiah, it talks about that if you
Speaker 3: you know, basically, if you if you die at one
Speaker 3: hundred years old, basically you're cursed. So I don't think
Speaker 3: so I think people will die. It will be death, yeah,
Speaker 3: moral body of physical moral bodies, but it's going to
Speaker 3: make a return to how it was before the flood,
Speaker 3: where lifespans were much much lower. I believe, and I
Speaker 3: believe really, uh, the earth itself, right, is going to
Speaker 3: be Jesus calls it in the Gospels, the regeneration that
Speaker 3: he's going to recreate. I believe the earth is going
Speaker 3: to return to the conditions it was like in the
Speaker 3: Garden of Eden. And so you have the longer lifespans,
Speaker 3: you have better vegetation, you have peace with animals and
Speaker 3: man again, right, so there are no more predators and
Speaker 3: things like that. So I think that explains why you
Speaker 3: have the long lifespans. I think because it's a similar
Speaker 3: I believe a hyperbaric environment. Actually, I believe that the
Speaker 3: the world you know of the Garden of Eden was
Speaker 3: and before the flood, was hyperbaric environment which prolonged lifespans,
Speaker 3: blocked out UV, radiation, all these types of things that
Speaker 3: can benefit life living.
Speaker 5: So plus plus there's a newly built temple at that point,
Speaker 5: we could say the fourth pole if you really want
Speaker 5: to technical.
Speaker 3: And he's Eger.
Speaker 5: Describes that as a as a water that comes out
Speaker 5: from under the altar that to the hinder and the
Speaker 5: former sea, and trees grow along the banks that they're
Speaker 5: going to use for healing of the nations, and I
Speaker 5: think they'll be eating that fruit for that longevity as well.
Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a lot of healing
Speaker 5: going on during that time.
Speaker 3: Liked Lik in the Garden of Eden, right, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I find the Millennium absolutely fascinating in terms of
Speaker 4: I mean, there's not much information, but there's a lot
Speaker 4: of inferences there that I just get me thinking in
Speaker 4: a thousand different directions. And one of the things is
Speaker 4: that somehow there's going to be survivors yeap, other than
Speaker 4: Israel that are going to go into the millennium. So
Speaker 4: there will be survivors that come through those who didn't
Speaker 4: take the mark obviously and weren't killed, so not everybody
Speaker 4: is killed, so they're there. They weren't they weren't saved
Speaker 4: from going through the wrath, right, they were part of
Speaker 4: that whole thing. But some of them are going to survive,
Speaker 4: and some of them are the Gentiles, because you get
Speaker 4: the descendant of Magog and Gog at the end of
Speaker 4: the thousand years that are going to join up with
Speaker 4: Satan when Satan's released again. And I find that absolutely
Speaker 4: sort of interesting. And then you have those you know
Speaker 4: that were slain for taking the mark. They're going to
Speaker 4: rule with Jesus for a thousand years, right, So that's
Speaker 4: kind of their reward for going through earning their their
Speaker 4: their their immortality by through fire. Right, they have to
Speaker 4: go through the absolute fire to earn that salvation, the
Speaker 4: hard way. As bad as the tribulation is, wrath is
Speaker 4: way worth, way worse. And also you have and just
Speaker 4: give me a second, I lost my train of thought
Speaker 4: there just for a second. But you have a scenario
Speaker 4: where you have something that needs to be also completed,
Speaker 4: that the Book of Life was created from before creation,
Speaker 4: and I think that's part of the period that there
Speaker 4: will still be that last opportunity to give everybodies whose
Speaker 4: names were written into that book have the opportunity to
Speaker 4: keep that name there or have it erased, just as
Speaker 4: what we have had through the first six thousand years.
Speaker 4: And this is going to be a reign also in
Speaker 4: comparative to the last six thousand years. And it's also
Speaker 4: going to drive home a point to the descendants of
Speaker 4: Adam is that just as the angels, even though they
Speaker 4: were created immortal and they had intimate knowledge of God,
Speaker 4: they knew how powerful he was, they still rebelled. Now, humankind,
Speaker 4: after everything that's happened, right, and everything that they've seen
Speaker 4: that happened with the people who had faith in God
Speaker 4: and Jesus, how they were raised up, you're still going
Speaker 4: to have a rebellion by some at the end of
Speaker 4: the millennium. And I think it's part of that last
Speaker 4: chapter to say, hey, you're going to be like angels,
Speaker 4: but be careful because you have to choose wisely. And
Speaker 4: rebellion takes you to the lake of fire, whether it's
Speaker 4: for the Second Death or for the immortals, but it's
Speaker 4: and for the anti Christ and and and the false prophet.
Speaker 4: So it's an interesting set of teachings that that are
Speaker 4: going on in that in that short little chapter, and
Speaker 4: that leads into death being destroyed and everything being tossed
Speaker 4: into the like of fire, and then you have the
Speaker 4: resurrection also as part of that is the resurrection of
Speaker 4: the dead. So yeah, it's not long, but it's just
Speaker 4: got so many things wrapped in there.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point, Gary, that's a really good
Speaker 3: observation about the people who because I do believe, certainly
Speaker 3: they're going to be survivors, right, says those who are
Speaker 3: left off from the nations who came up against Jerusalem.
Speaker 3: But that, Matthew, that all the sheep and the goats exactly.
Speaker 3: But the idea that now you have because you have
Speaker 3: several classes of beings on the earth and the millennium, right,
Speaker 3: you have, I believe, the glorified Christians like the martyrs
Speaker 3: you mentioned who now rule and rain. You have the Church,
Speaker 3: who I believe will be in glorified byes. But then
Speaker 3: you have the flesh and blood mortal humans, and you
Speaker 3: have angels. But there are going to be some humans who,
Speaker 3: like you said, who've lived through it all, through the Great,
Speaker 3: through the Antichrist, the Great replace in the wrath Armageddon,
Speaker 3: seeing Christ return and defeat everyone locked Satan away and
Speaker 3: then live in peace right absence Satan's influence and still
Speaker 3: rebell That's a really phenomenal observation and how it really
Speaker 3: is like the angels. You know, I've never really considered that.
Speaker 3: That's a really really, really really great observation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we have that, then we have after
Speaker 1: the thousand years Satan is released, right.
Speaker 2: And which is interesting and uh, and then we have.
Speaker 1: It talks about the Gog and Magad together together to battle, Right,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, Josh.
Speaker 3: On that point, I might throw this thought out.
Speaker 5: During the thousand year reign, the Israel is restored as
Speaker 5: a priesthood people, a priesthood kingdom again, and they'll be
Speaker 5: in those glorified bodies reigning with Christ. But the nations
Speaker 5: that get to go into the millennium that are selected
Speaker 5: in Matthew twenty five that survived, as we talked about,
Speaker 5: I think they're going to have to have the opportunity
Speaker 5: to believe on Christ as Lord during that time, even
Speaker 5: with the longevity and everything else. Like Gary's making this
Speaker 5: point about the angels, they're like angels in a way,
Speaker 5: and they're required to keep the Feast of Tabernacles every
Speaker 5: year to go up every year. I believe that final
Speaker 5: Gog and Magog battle is going to take place during
Speaker 5: a Feast of Tabernacles because it says they compass the
Speaker 5: camp of the Saints surround. Well, if they're camping, that's tense, right,
Speaker 5: I'm just using modern vernacular. So I would say that
Speaker 5: would be the perfect time for him to attack. When
Speaker 5: the Lord destroys him, you know, fire comes down yeah.
Speaker 1: Fire, Yeah, basically and God uh and fire came down
Speaker 1: from God out of heaven devoured him. The devil who
Speaker 1: deceived them cast into the lake of fire. Brimstone and
Speaker 1: beasts and false prophet are so basically they're thrown to
Speaker 1: the lake of fire, and it says they are tormented
Speaker 1: day and night forever and ever.
Speaker 2: Okay, next will be the Great White Throne Judgment. Right
Speaker 2: on that. That's the next thing.
Speaker 1: When do you guys believe the the Beama Seed of
Speaker 1: Christ is?
Speaker 2: Is that is? Do you believe that's when you die?
Speaker 2: You just that happens then?
Speaker 1: Or or between the White the Great White Throne Judgment
Speaker 1: and the Bema Seed of Christ, where would you guys
Speaker 1: place those two are? I know that the Beema Seed
Speaker 1: of Christ is for the believers and then the Great
Speaker 1: White Throne Judgment is for everyone.
Speaker 2: So I just had a question on that.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know what do you think Ryan
Speaker 1: or Gary or Scott whoever would like to answer that one?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I kind of I have seen
Speaker 3: the Bama seat as like an individual you know, judgment.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it is a judgment of evaluation. However
Speaker 3: you want to call it, but that you know, when
Speaker 3: you die, you'll stand before God. Obviously you are saved,
Speaker 3: but it's just to.
Speaker 6: Put their inheritance basically your inheritance what.
Speaker 3: You've done for the crown exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, So crown, your reward, and your sins are thrown
Speaker 4: in into the like the fire at Yeah.
Speaker 5: And if it's not our individual standing before the Lord,
Speaker 5: which could take place, you know, and in the rapture
Speaker 5: right afterwards and then before we come back, or it
Speaker 5: could be when the Lord returns it says on his
Speaker 5: head or many crowns, and maybe those are the crowns
Speaker 5: he's going to be giving. You know, they're his crowns.
Speaker 5: It's his glory obviously, but we may wear them too,
Speaker 5: because this is we are his glory, and maybe we
Speaker 5: may be reigning with him with those crowns. So it
Speaker 5: could be the Beama seat is when he comes back
Speaker 5: to judge the nation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, since thought, and I also think that there's
Speaker 4: for the for the dead that rise to be judged
Speaker 4: that I think the Book of Romans talks about a
Speaker 4: possibility that God reserves the right to commit them to
Speaker 4: the lake of fire for the second death or not. Uh,
Speaker 4: And He'll judge them by their hearts and the laws
Speaker 4: within their hearts and how they follow that. And so,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not dogmatic on that, but I'm just
Speaker 4: looking at what the Book of Romans discusses. And I
Speaker 4: do know our God is so forgiving for that people
Speaker 4: who didn't know Christ, that there's going to be some
Speaker 4: sort of I guess I'm not sure what the right
Speaker 4: word is, some sort of process that will give an
Speaker 4: opportunity if some people were just that darn good on
Speaker 4: faith of doing the right thing, that there might be
Speaker 4: a reward for that. So but I leave that up
Speaker 4: to God. I mean, judgment is for God, and if
Speaker 4: he does or he doesn't doesn't matter to me. And
Speaker 4: I don't tread on the domain of God, and he
Speaker 4: can choose who he wants to give a pardon to
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 1: Yes, awesome grace, we have a beautiful, wonderful God. So
Speaker 1: and then now we have at the end is all
Speaker 1: things made new. Now I saw a new heaven and
Speaker 1: new earth for the first heaven and the first earth
Speaker 1: had passed away. I thought it was amazing that how
Speaker 1: it says that God is going to come down and
Speaker 1: reign with man like prepared a bride adoring for her husband.
Speaker 1: I thought that was super interesting. There's gonna be God's throne,
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be a new heaven and a new Earth,
Speaker 1: and God is gonna be reigning with us.
Speaker 2: I thought that.
Speaker 1: I just I was reading through and I and honestly,
Speaker 1: I've read that before and it just kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but sometimes when you're reading through the
Speaker 1: Bible just breeched through certain parts and don't understand. But
Speaker 1: as I was studying the Book of Revelation for this podcast,
Speaker 1: I just went through and I read that to my
Speaker 1: wife like and she's like, that almost sounds like a
Speaker 1: fairy tale.
Speaker 2: I'm like, babe, this is the Bible.
Speaker 1: Is just it's it's it's amazing that that that happens
Speaker 1: at the end, and and all the stuff that we
Speaker 1: have to go through through humanity and all the stuff
Speaker 1: that God has gone through with us, we end up
Speaker 1: being able to reign with God.
Speaker 2: I thought it was this beautiful ending to to our beginning,
Speaker 2: not ending for us. It's just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I suggest, I really suggest, honestly, guys, everybody that's
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, I suggest that you you read
Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation, listen to what these gentlemen are
Speaker 1: teaching you, and uh and and you know, and and
Speaker 1: also there's different perspectives and everything out there, and I
Speaker 1: suggest you guys study those as well because and and
Speaker 1: pray to God for discernment, because there's there's different perceptions
Speaker 1: and of this.
Speaker 2: You know, in man is going to have different perceptions.
Speaker 1: Obviously, like Brian and Gary and Scott are pretty much
Speaker 1: on the same page, but you know they disagree here
Speaker 1: and there. But what it is is it's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that God does for us in the Book
Speaker 1: of Revelation. It sounds crazy and it's horrific and hard,
Speaker 1: but it's.
Speaker 2: Just beautiful how it ends up.
Speaker 1: But I suggest, do you guys want to add anything
Speaker 1: to the end of Revelation at all?
Speaker 2: I don't want to take it up too much.
Speaker 3: But we don't want to do that. If we add
Speaker 3: to that book, we might.
Speaker 4: We want the blessing, we don't want the curse.
Speaker 5: I just I just think it's a sad thing that
Speaker 5: what comes to my mind when I think about the
Speaker 5: New Heaven, the New Earth, and New Jerusalem, and I
Speaker 5: see the description of that city and I see the
Speaker 5: beauty of the golden streets and the foundations of the jewels,
Speaker 5: and what what my mind goes to being born on
Speaker 5: to buy you is those gates made out of pearl.
Speaker 3: I want to see that oyster.
Speaker 1: That's right, seriously, so we got that.
Speaker 4: I'd make a couple of points just on that, just
Speaker 4: that we don't know when it says heavens, is it
Speaker 4: sort of understood as the Greek term as the whole cosmos?
Speaker 4: Or is it the Hebrew term that that's what they're
Speaker 4: substituting in Greek for that meeting heavens In the Hebrew
Speaker 4: is there's three heavens. There's the firmament that includes the
Speaker 4: sun and everything inwards. There's the balance of the physical
Speaker 4: universe after that, and then there's a heaven in heaven.
Speaker 4: So we don't know which one of those three heavens
Speaker 4: that that's going to be. Could be two of the heavens.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's all three of the heavens, but
Speaker 4: we're not real sure. And then the other thing is
Speaker 4: is we're not told anything about what happens leading into
Speaker 4: eternity going forward, And that's part of the faith that
Speaker 4: you have to have and be rock solid on that
Speaker 4: it's all going to be good and we're going to
Speaker 4: be reigning, but we don't know over what, where, or anything.
Speaker 4: And it's all part of the whole faith thing that
Speaker 4: the Bible preaches from the time of Abraham right through
Speaker 4: to the end of Revelation.
Speaker 2: And Ryan, you want to add to that, not to
Speaker 2: the book, just to the to the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's great, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that you know, you read Revelation
Speaker 3: twenty one to one, right, It's it's like Genesis one
Speaker 3: one all over again, a new Heaven and new Earth,
Speaker 3: right got And I love that. It just shows the
Speaker 3: beauty the Bible, the consistency through you know, fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: years of writing, right, you know, summary Genesis from Revelation.
Speaker 3: But also that just God's plan that God loves us
Speaker 3: so much. You know, that's really you know, the main takeaway.
Speaker 3: You know, we Revelation ends. You know, Jesus is pleading anyone,
Speaker 3: you know, whoever is the thirst come, the spirit is
Speaker 3: bidding you come. Enjoy this. I want to know Jesus
Speaker 3: wants everyone right when he tells in the Gospels, go
Speaker 3: go out into the highways and the byways and compel
Speaker 3: people to come to the wedding. And that's the thing,
Speaker 3: and I just love it. I just love the fact.
Speaker 3: And I think Gary made a great point that you
Speaker 3: have to have that great faith in the future. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that we don't know. I'm actually undecided. I'm
Speaker 3: glad that we don't know what's gonna happen in the
Speaker 3: Eternal Kingdom. I'll want some surprises because I'm they want
Speaker 3: to discover about as what are we going to be doing,
Speaker 3: what are we ruling over right? We don't know, but
Speaker 3: I'm excited for it. And I just think that, you know,
Speaker 3: the most important thing is that Jesus says, you know,
Speaker 3: he closes very personally by saying, I'm writing this like
Speaker 3: to you to invite you. And so I hope that
Speaker 3: people see that it's a beautiful, beautiful story, that we
Speaker 3: know the end at least up until that we know
Speaker 3: the evil is gonna lose, and that they can trust
Speaker 3: in God's promises and his invitation and receive it for sure.
Speaker 1: Jason, any last words, Jason before you go, You're kind
Speaker 1: of work tomorrow.
Speaker 4: No, man, I'm good.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get some some shutout, stay away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 1: Hey, I have did a sixteen hour night last night too,
Speaker 1: so and now Scott, thank you. I know you have
Speaker 1: to work too, and I appreciate it. And everybody that's listening,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, well, first off, I want
Speaker 1: to say thank you to Gary.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott, thank you, Ryan, thank you Jason.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate everybody, you know, to have you know,
Speaker 1: when I first started this podcast, to have Gary, Wayne.
Speaker 2: And then Scott and Ryan on it, it just it
Speaker 2: just blows my mind.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I used to watch Gary back in the day, you know,
Speaker 1: and on the fourth watch and listen, and just to
Speaker 1: have you guys on is amazing.
Speaker 2: You know, God is great.
Speaker 1: I thank the Lord for this, you know, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate this opportunity, and I appreciate you guys all showing
Speaker 1: up and and you know, and and coming and and
Speaker 1: sharing all this research that you guys have done. You know,
Speaker 1: there's deep, deep research that goes into this. I've only
Speaker 1: been doing this podcasting for about like a year and
Speaker 1: a half, and it's there's so.
Speaker 2: Much research going into each episode.
Speaker 1: I can imagine all the books that you guys are
Speaker 1: writing in all the time and effort you put in.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you guys taking the time out for
Speaker 1: this for our audience, you know, and thank you everybody
Speaker 1: that's listening. I just want to say, you know, the
Speaker 1: Bible is just right now. Is the time, guys, just
Speaker 1: to just to pick up the Bible. I know that
Speaker 1: conspiracies are awesome and it's amazing, you know, the World
Speaker 1: Economic Forum, the Secret Societies and all this stuff. You
Speaker 1: know that you can get into the Genesis six conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Get into all that.
Speaker 1: But they'll just read the Bible, you know, just start
Speaker 1: out with the Bible so that you can get the
Speaker 1: you know, your foundation is solid, you know, because when
Speaker 1: all that the reason why people are so deceived at
Speaker 1: the end times is because they're not rightly dividing the
Speaker 1: word or they're not even reading the Bible. They're taking
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're letting Satan fulfill their whole day,
Speaker 1: uh with with not giving time to God, you know,
Speaker 1: and we need to give God your time and we
Speaker 1: need to spend time with the Lord.
Speaker 2: Whether you have to wake up.
Speaker 1: An hour earlier or stay up an hour later, what
Speaker 1: do you whatever you have to do. I just suggest that,
Speaker 1: you know, I just I pray, you know, in Jesus's name,
Speaker 1: that people just just go, you know, read the Bible,
Speaker 1: start a relationship with the Lord. It's not about Religion's
Speaker 1: about relationship. I just want to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's vastly important everything we went over. You
Speaker 1: guys understand that they're deceived because they didn't get into
Speaker 1: the Word and have that relationship with God. They were
Speaker 1: married to the world and not married to God. So
Speaker 1: we'll end this in prayer, you know, and I will
Speaker 1: end this in prayer. And this is a mighty, mighty episode.
Speaker 3: I really loved it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: But Father God and the name of Jesus, once again,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for giving us a
Speaker 1: clear connection, and I appreciate everything you do for us.
Speaker 4: Lord.
Speaker 1: I just pray for everybody that's listening right now, please
Speaker 1: let them not have to wait to go through all
Speaker 1: these you know, the twenty one judgments or anything like that.
Speaker 1: They don't need to wait for that. The time is now,
Speaker 1: you know, to just get into the Lord. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know if the raptures pre mid.
Speaker 2: We have no.
Speaker 1: Idea you know what we're gonna have to go through,
Speaker 1: but it's better to be prepared.
Speaker 2: You know. The government, we know, Lord could come in
Speaker 2: and take the Bibles away.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 1: We're so worried about them taking the guns away, Lord,
Speaker 1: but they could take the Bibles away. What are we
Speaker 1: gonna do when we're going up against these principalities of evil, Lord,
Speaker 1: and we don't have the Bible memorized, you know.
Speaker 2: So I just want to.
Speaker 1: Say, God, please everybody that's listening right now, Please, Lord,
Speaker 1: just you know, do a supernatural invitation to them to just.
Speaker 2: Start reading the Bible and have a relationship with you.
Speaker 4: Lord.
Speaker 2: We appreciate everything you do for us and we love you. Lord.
Speaker 2: Thank you in Jesus name. Amen, Amen, guys, thank you.
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