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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from

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the heart of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.

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Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sightings, cryptozoology.

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Speaker 3: And big cast. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode fifty off Paranorimal Pendle, broadcasting to the

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Paranormal UK Radio Network at peruk radio dot com. So

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we've hit half a century, which is great. I never

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thought i'd get this far. I'd be quite honest with you.

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When I first started doing the podcast, I thought I'll

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maybe get out for a dozen and then I'll run out

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of steam. But we're still going strong and I've got

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a terrific guest, fabulous guest on for this very special episode.

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It's Emily Paranormal. Emily, welcome, thanks for coming on, Thank

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you for having me, no problem, and welcome. Congratulations for

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being my fiftieth podcast guest. So obviously your your area

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is is the paranormal, ghosts and all things spooky. Shall

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we say, when did you first get involved or becoming

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interested in the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: I was interested from an extremely young age. As soon

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as I was reading. I was going to the library

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and by borrowing books sort of Haunted huntingdon She, you know,

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and those sort of ghost story books. Then it all

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sort of started properly when I was around fourteen thirteen

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or fourteen, and I saw my first full body apparition.

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And it was my grandmother and she'd passed away two

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weeks previously, and I just woke up at the bottom

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of my bed. She stood there, and she was so

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solid and so real, and I felt love and warmth.

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I didn't feel afraid. If someone told me at thirteen

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I was going to see it a ghost, I would

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be really scared, but I wasn't. I just felt comfort

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from it, And from that day on I wanted to

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find out how it was possible and why I had

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seen that apparition. Ever since then, I mean, obviously it's

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been a slow process because things have got in the way, family,

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children and things. So it's only been the last few

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years really that I've been going out every weekend investigating,

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but there's been a lot of research done in between.

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Speaker 2: So when did you first start going out and doing

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your actual investigations and when did you sort of decide

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that it was the right time to start to start

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to do that.

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Speaker 1: My first investigation was probably around three and a half

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four years ago, and it was sort of not long

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after that, but I started going out pretty much every weekend.

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There isn't many weekends that I miss. I do get

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quite grumpy if I don't, and I will go anywhere,

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and I'll go with anyone, any group. So yeah, it's

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about three and a half three and a half heading

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on for four years. I felt the time was right

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after going to see a medium they said that I

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could do what they do and said I can't, how

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can I be a medium or anything? But they said

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you will when the time is right, and I kind

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of just fell into a circle at Spiritualist Church. It

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sort of just just happened, and then I started going

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out on investigations, so it all fell into place naturally,

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which was nice.

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Speaker 2: So do you think you've always had this ability then?

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Do you think this is what helped with with when

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you saw your grandmother when you were when you were younger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think it's always been there,

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but I didn't know how to use it or progress

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it or understand it. But obviously, if you've got something there,

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you just but you need to be taught how to

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use it, because I think almost anyone can do it.

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It's just the case of learning how to so go

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into the circle certainly helped me develop that and understand it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people say it's a bit

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like tuning an old analog radio, isn't it kind sort

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of tuning yourself into that frequency. And I think the

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trick is is.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think we all have that ability.

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Speaker 2: But it's that ability to be able to tune yourself

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in and out of the frequency a little bit in

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order to get onto the right frequency in order to

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be able to then feeling and sensing things. How did

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the Spiritualist church help you?

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Speaker 3: Then? Was was that a particular help? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Certainly, sitting in circle and learning different techniques, then in

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meditation techniques, because I tried to meditate over the years,

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and I could I just couldn't. I just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about training you isn't it. Yeah?

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and learning different techniques of how to clear your mind

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and then how to raise your vibration. That will certainly helped,

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and then just doing different things about how to sense

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that spirits there and noticing the difference between spirits sort

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of being there and not so, sort of calling them

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in and then asking them to step back and feeling

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the difference, and just learning how it all feels and

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how it should feel.

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Speaker 2: So what what was that like as a journey then?

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able to do, isn't it? And I suppose did you

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not find it a little bit disconcerting as well that

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you were suddenly able to do this and you were

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you were talking to spirits and you were able to

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bring them in and make them go away when when

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you wanted. Did you not feel that was a that

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was an odd thing to be able to do to

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begin with?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And even now I still I still doubt myself.

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do private readings because I just I find it's such

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a sensitive subject that I don't feel that I could

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take on that responsible ability to be telling someone something

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so so precious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit personal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then I'd end up just crying anyway.

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Speaker 3: So do you find yourself.

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Speaker 2: Becoming quite emotional then when when you sort of when

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you link with these spirits, especially if there's been something

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unfortunate happened to them, do you find that you sort

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of you tick on that emotional energy as well?

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Speaker 1: Definitely?

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Speaker 1: I mean even just generally since opening up and doing mediumship,

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every day. So yeah, I just I seem to take

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on people's emotions in life as well as spirit, So

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that can be quite a problem.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that that helps you

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communicate better though?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So what you would you call yourself a medium even

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though you don't you don't want to practice with other people,

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do you still feel that you are at that level

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now where where you're happy with with the skills that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of. I prefer to say that I'm

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sort of sensitive and I can communicate with spirit, yeah,

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and give myself like the title, you know, I feel

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that if you give yourself that title, people expect quite

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a lot of you. Yeah, and I may go into

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a place and not pick up anything at all, but

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it's just because I'm not on the right frequency, you know.

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I'm still learning, still sort of trying to gain confidence.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and of course not everywhere actually does have

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anything attached to it.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, spirits, gorst sensitives, energies, whatever you

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want to call them, don't always want to communicate back

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Speaker 1: That, That's right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting it is. It's very interesting. It's interesting

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how you've trained yourself. I don't think I've spoken to

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anybody who's sort of explained that that process of how

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they've got to worthy. Are a lot of people just

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say I'm a medium and I've always been a medium.

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Speaker 3: But when we think about it.

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Speaker 2: There has to be a certain amount of training going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's really interesting. Thanks for thanks for sharing that,

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because that is really interesting. So let's talk about your

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investigations then, because that's really why I wanted you on,

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because I want to know some really good ghost stories

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and really good investigations. What should can Can you remember

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your first investigation then, and what what happened?

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Speaker 1: The first proper investigation I've been on. So I was

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and ghosts, because that's not scary at all. It's just

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going out with new people, the process, what you know,

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how conducted it. But it was a good successful investigation.

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got some vaults there, underground vaults, which is really interesting,

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and we had some footsteps and things in there, and

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I found that quite exciting. I was quite happy to

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go off one end on my own and sit with

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my own thoughts for a while. So yeah, I enjoyed

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doing that, and that was my first one and I

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definitely got the bug.

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Speaker 3: So how did that feel when you went off on

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your own then for the first time? Did you did

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you pick anything up?

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Speaker 1: I think at that point I was sort of too

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nervous about everything and meeting the new people and everything,

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and I wasn't. I wasn't scared. So a lot of

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people go, oh, I'm not going down there on my own.

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they always film at night, They always film in very

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dark rooms with no light whatso. And I suppose to

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a certain degree it can help heighten the other senses

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that you've got. So if you suddenly lose your vision,

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you've still got your hearing, You've still got how you

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how you feel what's going on around you. But I always,

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Speaker 3: Valid going to places during the day.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, no, it doesn't. The only reason I

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go at night is obviously that's sort of when people

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noise and people movement of people, which is slightly more disturbing,

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Speaker 3: So what sort of abandoned places you go to?

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Speaker 1: Then, well, they're nearby me. There is an abandoned air base,

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American Air base that is one of my sort of

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go to places. I've walked around there a couple of

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times a week. It's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: What's that called? It's r A F upward okay?

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Speaker 1: And was that Nia Cambridge here near near Huntingdon cambridgere.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, So what's the story and that place?

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Speaker 1: Then it was built in like during the First World

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British Air Force and then the American Air Force moved

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in in the nineteen eighties and they were there until

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nineteen ninety five and then it was it was left

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in nineteen ninety five. So it's just it's just been left.

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was was a nuclear base or not, but I definitely

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Speaker 3: But I did find that quite atmospheric.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an active place as well. I've

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done daytime and nighttime investigation and it is active.

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Speaker 3: So what sort of stuff have you picked up?

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Speaker 1: Then, we've had in one of the sort of h blocks,

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the accommodation blocks. One of the I think one of

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the sort of the best bits of evidence we had

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was there was a few of us stood in one

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of the rooms which would have been one of the bedrooms,

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one of the accommodation rooms, and we could since there

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was something outside in the corridor and so you can

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imagine it's an extremely long corridor and we looked out

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there obviously nothing there. Then we heard some noises and

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we've put some capballs out along the corridor. And eventually

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these capbules started going on off outside, so I then

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asked Spirit to step into the room with us. After

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just a minute or two, equipment in the room started

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to go off, and myself and another sensitive was we

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were picking up on an airman and I couldn't work

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out whether he'd got an injury to his shoulder. I

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couldn't work out whether it was a stabbing or shot wound.

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But he was saying that he needed help and he

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was left for too long, okay, And we were using

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an app, but I'm not sure, you know, some people

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feel okay with apps, some don't believe them. But I

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was sort of not sure whether he was shot stabbed,

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and it came up with shot, and then it was

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saying all these sort of relevant things to what we

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were picking up. That was quite interesting because it was

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the way all the equipment was being activated sort in

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the right sequence, if you like, you're in the corridor,

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then by the door, and then in room and everything

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sort of linking together, right, So yeah, that was that

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was very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So did you get a sort of any any information

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about how he'd been shot or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember names. We did get a name, and

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we've got a date. Offhand, without my book, I can't

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remember what they were. So we did have sort of

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relevant information come through. I think one of them one

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of the team researched it. But offhand I can't remember many.

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I can't remember when.

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Speaker 2: You when you do so many investigations, sometimes you forget

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the the minute details. You remember what you forget some

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of the details. Have you picked anything else up there then,

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apart from this one particular guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in another area, because it is a huge place

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that there are probabrobably twenty five or so buildings left.

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I quite a few had been knocked down, but these

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ones that left the sort of spread out over a

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big area, and there was in a sort of stairwell

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of this I think it was the communications building. We

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picked up on a young airm and he was around

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twenty five. I did pick his name up and that

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he had fallen from the stairs because the stairs sort

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of went up, you could have fallen straight down. And

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it was quite interesting because I put the report up

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and another paranormal team who I didn't know at the time,

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they contacted me and said, we got that exact information,

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the same name and the same age and they showed

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me their report that they've done. So when that happens,

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that's even better because then you think, oh, it's not me,

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you know, I did did pick up the right information.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, well that's brilliant. I mean if you get

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somebody else who can corroborate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, what what you've found is I

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think that's that's pretty special.

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Speaker 3: So that that's that's that must spur you on then

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to do even more investigation.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Your recent investigations then at some other places.

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Speaker 2: I had a quick look on your web page, which

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was the.

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Speaker 3: One that I saw Oxburgh Hall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just a visit to Oxbor Hall. Although

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I'd love to investigate there, but I don't think National

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Trust allow investigators in. But the building is absolutely stunning

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and I was sort of picking up different feelings as

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I was walking around. I didn't connect or communicate with

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the spirit, but I was certainly picking up energies and feelings,

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probably residual energy. Yeah, it was a lovely place.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's in noise, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's Norfolk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so via the idea when it was built,

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is it is it tudor is it pre Tudor.

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Speaker 1: It was built, it was fifteen hundreds. I believe there

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is a connection there with Catherine of Aragon, who I like,

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Catherine of Aragon and Henry Yate that it's my Tudors,

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is definitely my my era, and because I've been doing

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a lot based around Catherine of Aragon. So I went

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to Combolton Castle recently, where Catherine of Aragon obviously spent

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her last days, and then after visiting Oxburgh Hall and

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talking to one of the curators there, I discovered that

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the bedding fields, one of the bedding fields, Sir Edmund

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bedding Field, he was the one that was actually in

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charge of keeping Queen Catherine of Aragon sort of under

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house arrest at Kimbolton Castle. So it kind of it

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was quite good. It was sort of all fitting within

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the last two weeks. I think the things I've been doing,

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you know, all sort of slotted in nicely without knowing

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at the time. So yeah, it was it was nice.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't you didn't pick up on any any

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spirits of ex Queens of.

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Speaker 1: England, then, no, I wish I had. I'd love a

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chat with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I am a bit of a history.

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Buff'm married to a history teacher that she hates the

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Tudors for some reason. I think it because she's had

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to teach it so many times. I think you just

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become a little bit numb to it after a bit.

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Speaker 3: But I am. I am really interested in Tudor's steward, right,

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I mean, you know, front from the Tudors onwards. So

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I enjoy going to places like that.

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Speaker 2: We're very lucky where I live in, like she, We've

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got a lot of old, stately homes.

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Speaker 3: A lot of them pre date the Tudors.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them are sort of fifteenth century so

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and earlier than that, many of them.

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Speaker 3: So it is interesting going around these sort of places.

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And I think you do. You do sometimes pick up

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quite interesting. I just get a feeling about a place.

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I'm not I'm not anywhere near training enough to be

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able to communicate with with spirits, but I do. I

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do pick things up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking too much about myself, right late, Buzzard the

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old White Horse and tell me all about that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great little place to go. I love it.

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They're always fairly active. I've had some really good a

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couple couple of really good poltergeist things happening is interesting.

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Speaker 3: So tell me what happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, we were doing an investigation and we've stopped, and

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do you not find that most of the stuff happens

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when you're talking or when you're not investigating. So with investigating,

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and there was myself and another investigator talking to the

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owner of the house and we were stood in his

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sort of front room lounge area, and there's a big

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dining room table with a huge candlearbra on it, and

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there's three really chunky, really big chunky candles on this

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candleabra and there's the usual sort of big spike that

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goes under them that they're pushed onto. And as we

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stood there talking, the candles fell off the candlelabra one

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by one, but there was about sort of a second

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and a half two seconds between each one falling, and

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they went in different directions, so one a couple of seconds,

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two went another way, and then the third one. And

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I tried to rule it out because I don't instantly

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go on to coast, So we ruled out the fact that, okay,

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it's on a main road, So did a lorry go

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by and shape the floor or there was no one

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else in the room, so no one knocked the table.

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We were probably meet and a half away from the table,

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so one jogged it. Then I sort of looked for

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fish and wire, a little button projected the button or anything. Yeah,

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I just I tried to think of anything as a

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hard stone floor, So okay, lot maybe could have made

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it tremble, but it's not. You know, no one was

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walking on floorboards and mobbly floorboards or anything, so we

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couldn't debunk it at all. So that was that was

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an awesome We stood there like wow.

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Speaker 2: So how big was the spark on the on the

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candle holder.

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Speaker 1: It must have been I would say a good sort

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of a couple of centimeters.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the candle lembled. Do you think it would

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have had to have been physically lifted up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think pushed over.

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Speaker 1: To go on. You would have actually, you know, pushed.

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Speaker 3: Them off stick it up.

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Speaker 1: And there was a hole in the bottom, so they

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had been pushed on just you know, I thought check

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that just in case they've been just gently put on

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and not quite pushed down, because I've not taken any

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notice before. But yeah, there was the whole they had

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been pushed on, So we just couldn't couldn't explain that one.

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Speaker 3: So what else happened there? Then?

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Speaker 1: The place often infects me and others with laughter. So

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at first people thought I was mad because I would

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just start laughing sort of uncontrollably, when you know, we

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hadn't been joking or laughing around. We would just be

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sat there and then I would just laugh hysterically, you know,

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to the point I call it ugly laughing because your teeth,

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you know. And then it then started to affect other

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members of the team on not just on that occasion,

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but on different occasions. There was one way and myself

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and one of the ladies I go out with Angela.

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We were stood either side of this pool table and

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we were in a serious moment, you know, calling out seriously,

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and the rest of the team said, me and her,

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we looked really weird. We were sort of mimicking each

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other's laughter with our hands and the way we were

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moving backwards and forwards, and we were doing it for

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some time, to the point the rest of the team

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actually got quite concerned. They okay, you know, start with,

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they were laughing at us, and then it got to

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the point, where are they all right? So yeah, I

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think it's like because it's an old coaching in there

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must have got a lot of alcohol and a lot

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of drunken gentle.

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Speaker 2: Work, and probably a lot of all the sorts of

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merriment as well. Do you think that that was an

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attempt to sort of possess you from a spirit, a

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sort of body possession or or something like that.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's more of just a feeling, you know. Yeah,

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And some of the new people, because like I mentioned

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to you, I do like the old White Horse in

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they run a little business called Back in Time for Tea,

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So they do an afternoon tea and a tour of

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the house, and then I'll do like an hour's investigation

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for newbies if you like. I don't like that, but

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new people, and even some of those people, we only

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do an hour investigation with them. And even some of those,

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without me mentioning anything, say that they feel almost intoxicated

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and they feel a little bit silly in certain areas

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of the house.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I love it because I wait for it, and then

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I wait for one of them to go, oh, I

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feel a bit drunk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's interesting. All that it's in certain parts of

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the host.

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Speaker 2: Then isn't that yeah, hotel Sarah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? What do you think the reason

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behind that is?

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Speaker 1: I just think it's usually it's down cellar, so that's

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I mean, it is now a private house, right, the

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man lives there with his family, so it's usually down

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in the cellar. And in next door to the house

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there is an old building, a BT exchange. So building

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itself isn't isn't particularly old, not like the sort of

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fourteenth century coaching in, But it's I think it's the

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more the land it was built on, those two places

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that we seem to get affected.

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Speaker 2: So you think there might have been something else there

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before if you've done any any research as to what

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might have been there before.

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Speaker 1: That the owner Nick has, he's sort of he's aware

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of what's there, what was there right as far as

476
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240
I know, there was more. There was more sort of

477
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:04,720
pubs and things along the road right route from to London.

478
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so sort of like an extension of the

479
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,400
of the.

480
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:14,839
Speaker 1: Inn, Yeah, yeah, or possibly another another small pub establishment

481
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,480
that was coaching in. There would have been sort of

482
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,920
more more drinking places along there.

483
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: And have have you ever picked up anything that's unpleasant

484
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:31,319
not there right, But you're having all the places.

485
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:37,079
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, hinch or I'm going with this, don't you. Yes,

486
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,440
there was an unpleasant spirit hinting brook House, okay that one.

487
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,000
I was working with Gary Fields medium, Gary Fields, and

488
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,960
we picked up on a female spirit upstairs in one

489
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,759
of the rooms, the Bridal Sweet and he'd sort of

490
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,079
put me under his spell, and I was shooting out

491
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,640
with this information, which when I came background because he'd

492
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,519
written it down and it all linked up to everything.

493
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,599
And then he was then picking up on this angry maile.

494
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,559
I then left him and went downstairs into the library,

495
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:16,200
and I then felt this male come towards me, and

496
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
I could feel his anger. I was sort of gripping

497
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200
my hands and digging my nails into my hands and

498
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,119
getting quite angry. And the rest of the team said

499
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,519
that I need to step up to the other side

500
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,160
of the room away from him and join them, but

501
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,200
I was quite adamant. No, I'm all right, I'm fine,

502
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,759
I'm fine. And then it got to the point I thought, no,

503
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,599
I really must step away now and go back up

504
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,359
the other end. As I did, this almighty force just

505
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
pushed me from behind and I fell on the floor.

506
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

507
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: So that's the most angry spirit I've come across.

508
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,359
Speaker 2: And did you get any indication at all as to

509
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,240
why it was angry? Did it give you any idea?

510
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had myself and Garryfields upstairs. We'd communicate with

511
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,160
the female and he he had worked out that it

512
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,319
was the male was angry because we were basically telling

513
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,160
his story because he'd, if I remember rightly, he had

514
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,039
not been very nice to his wife. He'd sort of

515
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,400
tried to call her insane basically, and it was almost

516
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,680
like he'd been found out, you know, So he was

517
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,200
he was just showing his anger. I think that we

518
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
were there and we knew what he'd done and what

519
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,480
he was like.

520
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: So was he was he basically sort of trying to

521
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,880
get a taken away of saying that she was she

522
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,039
was insane or something like that.

523
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: As far as I'm aware, he did he had her

524
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,799
locked away, okay, because he wanted to be with another woman.

525
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,200
So he'd sort of had her locked up and told

526
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,440
everyone she was insane so that he could be with

527
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,200
this other woman.

528
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,519
Speaker 3: And so he was angry that you were out in

529
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,319
him as such.

530
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so right?

531
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,599
Speaker 2: Did he do anything else and apart from physically push

532
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,319
I mean that's bad enough obviously, but were there any

533
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,839
objects or anything like that that.

534
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: He was.

535
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: No, No, he just he pushed me down. And then

536
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,599
Gary Fields came in because he wasn't in the same

537
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
moment at the time. He came in and helped me

538
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,839
sort of get up, and he asked spirit to step away,

539
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,119
and then I got up, but then he sort of

540
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
came the spirit came back in, and I actually I

541
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,319
was sort of sat up on the floor, you know,

542
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000
sort of propped up on my elbow sort of things,

543
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
sitting up, and he came this spirit came back in.

544
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Gary Fields felt the energy come back in and I

545
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,119
just fell down again from it. It just sort of

546
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,759
just I was so drained afterwards. It was. Yeah, it

547
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,680
was definitely the most intense, the most angry spirit I've

548
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,279
come across.

549
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,319
Speaker 3: And does that not worry you that it could happen

550
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:53,880
again or something worse could happen?

551
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:56,039
Speaker 1: No?

552
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: No, No, you do strike me as being quite tough.

553
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:06,119
Speaker 1: I'm a big softie, but I think the spirit is

554
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,519
on top.

555
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

556
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm meant in a nice way, not a

557
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,359
quite sort of.

558
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:21,559
Speaker 3: Persistent yes, yeah, no, So where else have you been then?

559
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: What's what other investigations have you done that they really

560
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:27,839
sort of stick out?

561
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: And the health fire Caves?

562
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:37,839
Speaker 2: Okay, west Wickham Now then this before started recording, is

563
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,000
this the Naughty Hellfire Club from black Adder?

564
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:42,559
Speaker 1: This is the Naughty health Fire Club.

565
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: I've never got images going around in my mind.

566
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: Those same images.

567
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Well not tell me, tell me all about it. I'm

568
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,599
fascinated by this one.

569
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: It is just an amazing place. If you're not been

570
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,079
to visit, no.

571
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,119
Speaker 2: But I think I should do, although I'd probably just

572
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,079
just start reciting entire episodes when I went in there, so,

573
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,000
especially the not to health fare Club once.

574
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,119
Speaker 1: It is a brilliant place if you can go there.

575
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,880
It's it's only about ten pounds to go into the ground,

576
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,799
but it's it is awesome, awesome place. The energy down there,

577
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,240
even for those that are not particularly sensitive, the energy

578
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,279
is so heavy it's like you just feel it as

579
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,720
you walk in. And when I first walked in there,

580
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,359
I thought, oh, yeah, this is good.

581
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,359
Speaker 3: So the actually cave is it actually.

582
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:44,359
Speaker 1: A care Yeah, chalk caves out in I believe it's

583
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,960
the seventeen hundreds, Yeah, sort of dug out Matt by

584
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480
Man and yeah, used for.

585
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,559
Speaker 2: Having a bit of a party. I think is that's

586
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,480
the word, is what I think. I think if I

587
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,359
remember the episode, there was radishes involved as well. But

588
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,039
I think people, I think people probably there's there's probably

589
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,159
some people laughing their heads off at this point listening

590
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:14,559
to this, and.

591
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,519
Speaker 3: Then there's probably what on earth is he babbling on about? Now?

592
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: All I can say is bla black out of the

593
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,239
third I can't remember which episode it is, but he

594
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,760
talked the Prince Regent talks about the Naughty hell Fire Club,

595
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,519
and it's it's really funny how he describes it, because

596
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,599
it was obviously a real place, you know, so that

597
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,239
makes it even funnier. So go on, then, what sort

598
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,199
of things have you picked up when you've been down there?

599
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: Then?

600
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,639
Speaker 1: Okay, well the first area we investigate those sort of

601
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,039
three areas that you can investigate there. So the first

602
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,800
one is as you you go you walk down into

603
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,480
the tunnels, there is an area where you walk down

604
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,039
and it's just one tunnel and then it splits into

605
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,760
two and sort of goes round and then you come

606
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880
out back into one tunnel. One way is for sa

607
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,440
someone's for sinners, right, So I think The story goes

608
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,880
that if you nothing happens if you go down the

609
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,280
sinner's one, but you've got to go down the correct one,

610
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:14,639
so don't don't lie basically, so it's okay if you're

611
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:28,079
a sinner, but you know of course. So in that area,

612
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,880
we were using a rempod, and we had some really

613
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,840
intelligent answers on the rempod. So that's so intelligent, and

614
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,800
in the end we thought, no, we're going to swap

615
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,239
the rempod over and just check if it's faulty equipment. Yeah,

616
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,920
it was like so every time we're asking it to

617
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,559
beat once or twice or whatever, it's doing it. So

618
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,320
we swapped the rempod for for somebody else is a

619
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,800
completely different brand, type and everything, and we were still

620
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,719
getting those correct answers right so that we couldn't sort

621
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,760
of debunk that. We had lots of footsteps around that

622
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
point as well, and also a couple of us were

623
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,239
touched quite quite obviously and firmly touched on the leg

624
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,840
right in estes method there, and I as I put

625
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,840
the headphones on, I had my leg touched and then

626
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280
just a few seconds in I shouted out the word

627
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,000
grab and then I didn't know but once I've taken

628
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719
the headphones off and spoken to the team. Just before

629
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,920
I shouted grab, Almost at the same time, one of

630
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
the other team's legs had been grabbed. But then also

631
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,920
at that point, because I logged everything down and while

632
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,480
I was doing other people were logging things down, someone

633
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,800
from one of the other groups had told the spirit

634
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,519
to come and grab the leg of the person whose

635
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:51,480
leg was grabbed.

636
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: Ok.

637
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we said about this band's leg was grabbed, and

638
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,159
they went, oh, we said at this time to go

639
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,960
and grab his leg and he'd said it was it was.

640
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,400
It was kind of strange, but.

641
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, real coincidence.

642
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the next area, which is the sort of

643
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,159
main hall, on the way to the main hall, you've

644
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,239
got another area that goes around and that's for men

645
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,960
one side, women in the other. And whoever you met

646
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,519
at the end was your partner for the night.

647
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: That's it sounds a great place.

648
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,559
Speaker 1: In the main hall, it's it's a huge sort of

649
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:40,159
cabin and there's sort of cutouts in the in the side,

650
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:43,320
I think there's six either six or eight, I can't remember,

651
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:48,719
and that's where there had been beds with curtains and

652
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:56,679
that was interesting. We had lots of shadows, footsteps. We

653
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,719
had some good e vps in there, and then I

654
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,639
picked up on a female in there. I don't really

655
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,039
remember any of it. I was just told because I

656
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,599
kind of I lost it. I remember standing one side

657
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,079
of the cave and then all I remember then he

658
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,920
is being pulled out of the cave by two of

659
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,559
the well one medium and one of the investigators there.

660
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
And apparently I walked around the other side of the

661
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,400
cave and then I went, I don't feel very well.

662
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,440
And then Keith, who was with me, said, oh my gosh, quick,

663
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,119
someone came and help me. Hold her up. She's going

664
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:40,559
to fall. I'm quite heavy, so he was trying to

665
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:44,440
hold me up and then apparently I was crying. I

666
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,519
gave them the name I think it was that Sarah,

667
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,079
and I gave him the date of seventeen something, seventeen

668
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,840
thirty something, I think it was, and I kept saying

669
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,000
that he brought me down here, he brought me down,

670
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,400
and I was the upset. So I was taken out

671
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,440
of the caves and then I remember them saying, what's

672
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,960
your name? So I'm going to believe what's happened? And

673
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,039
then Andy Moore, medium he sort of could feel the

674
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,840
female presence around me, and he believes it's because I'm

675
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,119
I'm the sort of person that will listen to anyone

676
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,960
and time for people, and this spirit felt that she

677
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:31,639
could come to me and and sort of and that

678
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,679
I would listen to her and help her, so she'd

679
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,800
sort of come to me. So he sort of helped

680
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,000
me understand that and helped her to understand that she

681
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:44,119
needed to move on with the way.

682
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,679
Speaker 2: I always think it's quite sad when you when you

683
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:58,519
encounter something, you encounter a spirit that's obviously very unhappy. Yeah,

684
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,920
and I think it's quite sad, especially in situations like that,

685
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,039
because you can you can imagine, you know what, all

686
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,239
joking aside, you can imagine what what must have gone on. Yeah,

687
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,079
these sort of places in the the upper class, the

688
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,119
aristocracy were very you know, debauched, I think is probably

689
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:18,199
the best way of putting it.

690
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,119
Speaker 3: And you can just imagine probably what went tom down there.

691
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

692
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: I think it's quite sad. You know that you've got

693
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,639
spirits that are still attached to the place that are

694
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,000
obviously struggling to move on for whatever reason.

695
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad.

696
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 3: Did you pick anything else up? While you were down there,

697
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,039
then you didn't You didn't.

698
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: Fin any chance to pick up George the Fourth or

699
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,320
anybody like that.

700
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: No, we did have been in the last visual that

701
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,760
was it was fairly quite honest in the last visual,

702
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000
and that's in the cave that is was used for

703
00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:00,480
sort of satanic rituals. Only the top people would have

704
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,280
gone down there, the sort of leaders and that, and

705
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,199
they would have done sacrifices and that in there. We

706
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,639
were quite surprised. It was quite quiet, although we did

707
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,400
have a catball sort of thrown right quite debunket but couldn't.

708
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,480
It was sort of on a little platform there on

709
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,039
the wall. There's like little cutouts right in there, and

710
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,239
it was sort of well sat in there. It wasn't

711
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,000
just perch and being at chalk, I kind of like

712
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,559
squished it into the chalk a little bit. There was

713
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,119
no way it could have rolled off, definitely no way.

714
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,840
And it came off the wall and it landed probably

715
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,199
about four foot away from the wall in gravel. So

716
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,360
if it had fallen off the wall, surely it would

717
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,199
have just dropped anyway. And it couldn't rolled because it's

718
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,280
like really really fine pea gravel, so it kind of

719
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,840
wouldn't have rolled. If it was a hard flat surface,

720
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,480
maybe it could have fallen and rolled. We were all

721
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:04,400
quite surprised. It just sort of went so yeah that

722
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,599
that happened in there, so that that was interesting.

723
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 2: That's almost as if someone is pulling it out of

724
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,880
the wall and you think, yeah, yeah, it's quite interesting.

725
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: Well that does sound like an interesting player, I must

726
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:17,199
have mat.

727
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would highly recommend it.

728
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: Whereabouts is it?

729
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: It's west Wickham? Which is that Buckingham share?

730
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: Right? Interesting?

731
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 2: So have you got any upcoming investigations that you're particularly

732
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:35,280
looking forward to.

733
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to Bishton Hall. I've got that

734
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:48,000
coming up. That's out Staffordshire way Castle. I'm looking forward

735
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,000
to that one. So there's some of the bigger ones,

736
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,360
and then I've got some little sort of local ones

737
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,360
that I'm really excited for as well. I've got Ramsey

738
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,079
Rural Museum which is pretty much on my doorstep. I'm

739
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,719
looking forward to that one. I'm looking forward to them all.

740
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: Have you been telling these places before or are these

741
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,360
new places?

742
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,559
Speaker 3: Then?

743
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: The ones I mentioned for investigations are new places. I've

744
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,599
got some that I'm returning to that are local, like

745
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:24,440
Whittle Sea Museum this Saturday at Stratum Old Engine, which

746
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,000
is jumping station for the Fens. So I've done that

747
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,239
sort of two or three times.

748
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,519
Speaker 3: Have you ever picked anything interesting up there.

749
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've picked a few things up there which other

750
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,440
teams again all picked up. It's quite interesting. Got a

751
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,880
few local teams have picked up children drowning boy and

752
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,079
a girl and they seem to come through a few

753
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,119
us a spirit board, right, So yeah, a few teams

754
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:56,159
picked up on them. But going back again is good.

755
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,199
Some people say why are you going back to the

756
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,400
same places? But for me it's it's not about just

757
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,800
about like the EMF going up and the box buzzing,

758
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,800
and that I won't like to piece together the jigsaw

759
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,079
puzzle and find out information because there's so many layers

760
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,159
of history it takes more than one visit to if

761
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:17,559
you want to get a good good picture.

762
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: It's it's like peeling an onion, isn't it exactly?

763
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

764
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find it's probably because I live in a

765
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,039
part of the country that's extremely hilly, and you know,

766
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,000
there's lots and there isn't anywhere flat ground here really

767
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,119
until you get out to the to the west, to

768
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,920
the west coast, but I always find that the fends,

769
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,039
the Fenlands and around Lincolnshire, around the extremely atmospheric. Yeah,

770
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,960
all the whole landscape I think has got a real

771
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,480
yeah feel to it, isn't it, do you know what

772
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:55,800
I mean?

773
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: It's got a sort of.

774
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: Feel to it.

775
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 2: And it always whenever whenever I'm driving through, whenever I'm

776
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,039
going down to the southeast or whatever, you know, going

777
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:08,280
downside the north of course Suffolk or anywhere around there,

778
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,400
because I do, I.

779
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: Do love that part of the country.

780
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always seems to be a little bit misty

781
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,719
and a little bit yes still and a little bit spooky.

782
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit bit of the world lif you

783
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,199
know what I mean.

784
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, might live very well relief in Cambridge here

785
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,079
so that we haven't got many neighbors at all nearby,

786
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,400
and I do live right along a river, so it's

787
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,239
it's it does get very misty if you look out

788
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,199
of the windows, as flat, flat as anything, very misty,

789
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,400
and yeah, you can have that sort of creepiness about it.

790
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Do you have any any legs I know we're going

791
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:48,119
slightly off taning here then, but do you have any

792
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:52,920
sort of legends of strange creatures or cryptids or anything

793
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,320
in the area where you live that you know of.

794
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:00,639
Speaker 1: There is the legend of the black Shuck, the big

795
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,079
black dog thing.

796
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that.

797
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's that.

798
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: I think it seems to be something similar no matter

799
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,280
where you go in the country. Yeah, I think there's

800
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,039
a sort of variation of it. We have a similar

801
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:19,719
one up here in the Northwest and down to Corhenwall

802
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,599
on holiday and they've had a similar sort of thing

803
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,559
down there. But yeah, I think it originated actually in

804
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:28,679
your part of the country and then it's sort of

805
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:30,519
sort of spread out from there.

806
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: Really.

807
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not seen him yet.

808
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,639
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you don't go out for

809
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,119
walks at night. Then when it's missed it, I don't

810
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:42,440
blame you.

811
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,519
Speaker 3: I don't think I would.

812
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's been it's been great chatting to you. It's

813
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,400
really interesting stories. Thanks for thanks for coming on. And

814
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,599
as I say, this is a milestone this this podcast,

815
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,039
the fiftieth one. Never thought i'd get to this stage.

816
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:00,239
But is there going to be another fifty? Who knows?

817
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,199
It's been brilliant talking to you. Where can people get

818
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:04,960
in contact with you?

819
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook, Emily Underscore Paranormal. That's that's the best place.

820
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,280
I do have TikTok and Instagram, but I'm a bit

821
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,400
slow with them. I'm a bit they're too too trendy

822
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:16,679
for me.

823
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm exactly the same. I'm still trying to work TikTok out.

824
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,719
I'm just it's I think I'm what years too old

825
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,679
for it to be honest with you. So so no,

826
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,199
it's uh, yeah, I know, I know what you mean.

827
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,559
Facebook's about Facebook and YouTuber about my limit. So yeah,

828
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,079
so if people want to get in contact with you,

829
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,519
they can just drop you a line on on Facebook.

830
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,639
Speaker 1: Yep, there's what's Apple Messenger on there, so you can

831
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,199
do either.

832
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: All yeah, excellent, Well, thanks very much for coming on.

833
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: Thank you for telling us all about especially the naught

834
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,079
to hell that's I'm gonna people don't still don't know

835
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,840
what I'm talking about. BBC TV, Blackadder, Ron Atkinson. It

836
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,480
was a comedy program at the Comedy showing the clime.

837
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,800
It was in the eighties, nineties, eighties, late eighteen I suppose, yeah,

838
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,880
a long time ago. Now it shows our old way hard,

839
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,519
don't it. So yeah, people still what I'm talking about

840
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,280
going going look you up? And then you'll you'll understand

841
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,199
why I went or give you when we started talking

842
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,480
about but it's been fascinating talking.

843
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: Good luck with your investigations.

844
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back on again at some

845
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,760
point and you tell me all about your your your

846
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,519
upcoming investigations and any any any really interesting stuff that happens.

847
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: It will be great to chat with you again.

848
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, lovely, Thank you for having me.

849
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on tech Care, thank you and

850
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:35,840
good luck.

851
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: Thank you.

852
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant

853
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,719
dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember

854
00:48:46,039 --> 00:49:08,159
to keep watching the shadows, don don'