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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.
Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sightings, cryptozoology.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode fifty off Paranorimal Pendle, broadcasting to the
Paranormal UK Radio Network at peruk radio dot com. So
we've hit half a century, which is great. I never
thought i'd get this far. I'd be quite honest with you.
When I first started doing the podcast, I thought I'll
maybe get out for a dozen and then I'll run out
of steam. But we're still going strong and I've got
a terrific guest, fabulous guest on for this very special episode.
It's Emily Paranormal. Emily, welcome, thanks for coming on, Thank
you for having me, no problem, and welcome. Congratulations for
being my fiftieth podcast guest. So obviously your your area
is is the paranormal, ghosts and all things spooky. Shall
we say, when did you first get involved or becoming
interested in the paranormal.
Speaker 1: I was interested from an extremely young age. As soon
as I was reading. I was going to the library
and by borrowing books sort of Haunted huntingdon She, you know,
and those sort of ghost story books. Then it all
sort of started properly when I was around fourteen thirteen
or fourteen, and I saw my first full body apparition.
And it was my grandmother and she'd passed away two
weeks previously, and I just woke up at the bottom
of my bed. She stood there, and she was so
solid and so real, and I felt love and warmth.
I didn't feel afraid. If someone told me at thirteen
I was going to see it a ghost, I would
be really scared, but I wasn't. I just felt comfort
from it, And from that day on I wanted to
find out how it was possible and why I had
seen that apparition. Ever since then, I mean, obviously it's
been a slow process because things have got in the way, family,
children and things. So it's only been the last few
years really that I've been going out every weekend investigating,
but there's been a lot of research done in between.
Speaker 2: So when did you first start going out and doing
your actual investigations and when did you sort of decide
that it was the right time to start to start
to do that.
Speaker 1: My first investigation was probably around three and a half
four years ago, and it was sort of not long
after that, but I started going out pretty much every weekend.
There isn't many weekends that I miss. I do get
quite grumpy if I don't, and I will go anywhere,
and I'll go with anyone, any group. So yeah, it's
about three and a half three and a half heading
on for four years. I felt the time was right
after going to see a medium they said that I
could do what they do and said I can't, how
can I be a medium or anything? But they said
you will when the time is right, and I kind
of just fell into a circle at Spiritualist Church. It
sort of just just happened, and then I started going
out on investigations, so it all fell into place naturally,
which was nice.
Speaker 2: So do you think you've always had this ability then?
Do you think this is what helped with with when
you saw your grandmother when you were when you were younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think it's always been there,
but I didn't know how to use it or progress
it or understand it. But obviously, if you've got something there,
you just but you need to be taught how to
use it, because I think almost anyone can do it.
It's just the case of learning how to so go
into the circle certainly helped me develop that and understand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people say it's a bit
like tuning an old analog radio, isn't it kind sort
of tuning yourself into that frequency. And I think the
trick is is.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think we all have that ability.
Speaker 2: But it's that ability to be able to tune yourself
in and out of the frequency a little bit in
order to get onto the right frequency in order to
be able to then feeling and sensing things. How did
the Spiritualist church help you?
Speaker 3: Then? Was was that a particular help? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Certainly, sitting in circle and learning different techniques, then in
meditation techniques, because I tried to meditate over the years,
and I could I just couldn't. I just couldn't do it.
I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about training you isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sort of sitting in circle with other people
and learning different techniques of how to clear your mind
and then how to raise your vibration. That will certainly helped,
and then just doing different things about how to sense
that spirits there and noticing the difference between spirits sort
of being there and not so, sort of calling them
in and then asking them to step back and feeling
the difference, and just learning how it all feels and
how it should feel.
Speaker 2: So what what was that like as a journey then?
Because that's quite It's quite an impressive thing to be
able to do, isn't it? And I suppose did you
not find it a little bit disconcerting as well that
you were suddenly able to do this and you were
you were talking to spirits and you were able to
bring them in and make them go away when when
you wanted. Did you not feel that was a that
was an odd thing to be able to do to
begin with?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And even now I still I still doubt myself.
So I'm like, I'm the doubting medium. So I don't
do private readings because I just I find it's such
a sensitive subject that I don't feel that I could
take on that responsible ability to be telling someone something
so so precious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I'd end up just crying anyway.
Speaker 3: So do you find yourself.
Speaker 2: Becoming quite emotional then when when you sort of when
you link with these spirits, especially if there's been something
unfortunate happened to them, do you find that you sort
of you tick on that emotional energy as well?
Speaker 1: Definitely?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean even just generally since opening up and doing mediumship,
I've become a much more emotional person all round, generally
every day. So yeah, I just I seem to take
on people's emotions in life as well as spirit, So
that can be quite a problem.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that that helps you
communicate better though?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah that's interesting.
Speaker 2: So what you would you call yourself a medium even
though you don't you don't want to practice with other people,
do you still feel that you are at that level
now where where you're happy with with the skills that
you've got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of. I prefer to say that I'm
sort of sensitive and I can communicate with spirit, yeah,
and give myself like the title, you know, I feel
that if you give yourself that title, people expect quite
a lot of you. Yeah, and I may go into
a place and not pick up anything at all, but
it's just because I'm not on the right frequency, you know.
I'm still learning, still sort of trying to gain confidence.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and of course not everywhere actually does have
anything attached to it.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, spirits, gorst sensitives, energies, whatever you
want to call them, don't always want to communicate back
with you, do.
Speaker 1: That, That's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting it is. It's very interesting. It's interesting
how you've trained yourself. I don't think I've spoken to
anybody who's sort of explained that that process of how
they've got to worthy. Are a lot of people just
say I'm a medium and I've always been a medium.
Speaker 3: But when we think about it.
Speaker 2: There has to be a certain amount of training going
on in order for you to build on your skills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's really interesting. Thanks for thanks for sharing that,
because that is really interesting. So let's talk about your
investigations then, because that's really why I wanted you on,
because I want to know some really good ghost stories
and really good investigations. What should can Can you remember
your first investigation then, and what what happened?
Speaker 1: The first proper investigation I've been on. So I was
I was quite nervous, not so much about the spirits
and ghosts, because that's not scary at all. It's just
going out with new people, the process, what you know,
how conducted it. But it was a good successful investigation.
We did have some activity there down in the They've
got some vaults there, underground vaults, which is really interesting,
and we had some footsteps and things in there, and
I found that quite exciting. I was quite happy to
go off one end on my own and sit with
my own thoughts for a while. So yeah, I enjoyed
doing that, and that was my first one and I
definitely got the bug.
Speaker 3: So how did that feel when you went off on
your own then for the first time? Did you did
you pick anything up?
Speaker 1: I think at that point I was sort of too
nervous about everything and meeting the new people and everything,
and I wasn't. I wasn't scared. So a lot of
people go, oh, I'm not going down there on my own.
It's dark, but yeah, I'll go anywhere. I'm not fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. About the darkness thing. Isn't it work?
I mean, you see, you know a lot of.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of entertainment programs, shall we say,
they always film at night, They always film in very
dark rooms with no light whatso. And I suppose to
a certain degree it can help heighten the other senses
that you've got. So if you suddenly lose your vision,
you've still got your hearing, You've still got how you
how you feel what's going on around you. But I always,
I always think that it's equally as.
Speaker 3: Valid going to places during the day.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know when it's when it's bright sunshine. I mean,
how do you do you prefer going around places at night?
Do you think it has a different atmosphere or.
Speaker 3: You know how.
Speaker 1: To be honest, no, it doesn't. The only reason I
go at night is obviously that's sort of when people
are available, that's when my husband's time to have kids.
It kind of it's convenient. But I have gone and
done investigations during the day at the local abandoned place
I go to quite frequently, and daytime is just as good.
The only thing is you've got the sort of traffic
noise and people movement of people, which is slightly more disturbing,
whereas at night everything is stiller and quieter. There's not
so much the dark, it's it's more the quietness at
night time I find is better.
Speaker 3: So what sort of abandoned places you go to?
Speaker 1: Then, well, they're nearby me. There is an abandoned air base,
American Air base that is one of my sort of
go to places. I've walked around there a couple of
times a week. It's brilliant.
Speaker 3: What's that called? It's r A F upward okay?
Speaker 1: And was that Nia Cambridge here near near Huntingdon cambridgere.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, So what's the story and that place?
Speaker 1: Then it was built in like during the First World
War for the First World War and occupied by the
British Air Force and then the American Air Force moved
in in the nineteen eighties and they were there until
nineteen ninety five and then it was it was left
in nineteen ninety five. So it's just it's just been left.
Eventually it's all going to be knocked down for housing,
so I make the most of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've visited arif wood Bridge in Suffolk right
a few weeks ago, and yeah, I found it really
a bit creepy. This was a woodbridge was a nuclear
base for the Americans during the Cold War. So I
don't know whether that the one that you got to
was was a nuclear base or not, but I definitely
got a very strange sort of feeling about the place,
probably because you know, they used to be nuclear weapons
underneath my feet were standing and there was a lot
of military military stuff going on there, and that's so.
Speaker 3: But I did find that quite atmospheric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an active place as well. I've
done daytime and nighttime investigation and it is active.
Speaker 3: So what sort of stuff have you picked up?
Speaker 1: Then, we've had in one of the sort of h blocks,
the accommodation blocks. One of the I think one of
the sort of the best bits of evidence we had
was there was a few of us stood in one
of the rooms which would have been one of the bedrooms,
one of the accommodation rooms, and we could since there
was something outside in the corridor and so you can
imagine it's an extremely long corridor and we looked out
there obviously nothing there. Then we heard some noises and
we've put some capballs out along the corridor. And eventually
these capbules started going on off outside, so I then
asked Spirit to step into the room with us. After
just a minute or two, equipment in the room started
to go off, and myself and another sensitive was we
were picking up on an airman and I couldn't work
out whether he'd got an injury to his shoulder. I
couldn't work out whether it was a stabbing or shot wound.
But he was saying that he needed help and he
was left for too long, okay, And we were using
an app, but I'm not sure, you know, some people
feel okay with apps, some don't believe them. But I
was sort of not sure whether he was shot stabbed,
and it came up with shot, and then it was
saying all these sort of relevant things to what we
were picking up. That was quite interesting because it was
the way all the equipment was being activated sort in
the right sequence, if you like, you're in the corridor,
then by the door, and then in room and everything
sort of linking together, right, So yeah, that was that
was very interesting.
Speaker 2: So did you get a sort of any any information
about how he'd been shot or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember names. We did get a name, and
we've got a date. Offhand, without my book, I can't
remember what they were. So we did have sort of
relevant information come through. I think one of them one
of the team researched it. But offhand I can't remember many.
I can't remember when.
Speaker 2: You when you do so many investigations, sometimes you forget
the the minute details. You remember what you forget some
of the details. Have you picked anything else up there then,
apart from this one particular guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in another area, because it is a huge place
that there are probabrobably twenty five or so buildings left.
I quite a few had been knocked down, but these
ones that left the sort of spread out over a
big area, and there was in a sort of stairwell
of this I think it was the communications building. We
picked up on a young airm and he was around
twenty five. I did pick his name up and that
he had fallen from the stairs because the stairs sort
of went up, you could have fallen straight down. And
it was quite interesting because I put the report up
and another paranormal team who I didn't know at the time,
they contacted me and said, we got that exact information,
the same name and the same age and they showed
me their report that they've done. So when that happens,
that's even better because then you think, oh, it's not me,
you know, I did did pick up the right information.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, well that's brilliant. I mean if you get
somebody else who can corroborate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, what what you've found is I
think that's that's pretty special.
Speaker 3: So that that's that's that must spur you on then
to do even more investigation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Your recent investigations then at some other places.
Speaker 2: I had a quick look on your web page, which
was the.
Speaker 3: One that I saw Oxburgh Hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just a visit to Oxbor Hall. Although
I'd love to investigate there, but I don't think National
Trust allow investigators in. But the building is absolutely stunning
and I was sort of picking up different feelings as
I was walking around. I didn't connect or communicate with
the spirit, but I was certainly picking up energies and feelings,
probably residual energy. Yeah, it was a lovely place.
Speaker 3: And it's it's in noise, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's Norfolk?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so via the idea when it was built,
is it is it tudor is it pre Tudor.
Speaker 1: It was built, it was fifteen hundreds. I believe there
is a connection there with Catherine of Aragon, who I like,
Catherine of Aragon and Henry Yate that it's my Tudors,
is definitely my my era, and because I've been doing
a lot based around Catherine of Aragon. So I went
to Combolton Castle recently, where Catherine of Aragon obviously spent
her last days, and then after visiting Oxburgh Hall and
talking to one of the curators there, I discovered that
the bedding fields, one of the bedding fields, Sir Edmund
bedding Field, he was the one that was actually in
charge of keeping Queen Catherine of Aragon sort of under
house arrest at Kimbolton Castle. So it kind of it
was quite good. It was sort of all fitting within
the last two weeks. I think the things I've been doing,
you know, all sort of slotted in nicely without knowing
at the time. So yeah, it was it was nice.
Speaker 2: So you didn't you didn't pick up on any any
spirits of ex Queens of.
Speaker 1: England, then, no, I wish I had. I'd love a
chat with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I am a bit of a history.
Buff'm married to a history teacher that she hates the
Tudors for some reason. I think it because she's had
to teach it so many times. I think you just
become a little bit numb to it after a bit.
Speaker 3: But I am. I am really interested in Tudor's steward, right,
I mean, you know, front from the Tudors onwards. So
I enjoy going to places like that.
Speaker 2: We're very lucky where I live in, like she, We've
got a lot of old, stately homes.
Speaker 3: A lot of them pre date the Tudors.
Speaker 2: A lot of them are sort of fifteenth century so
and earlier than that, many of them.
Speaker 3: So it is interesting going around these sort of places.
And I think you do. You do sometimes pick up
quite interesting. I just get a feeling about a place.
I'm not I'm not anywhere near training enough to be
able to communicate with with spirits, but I do. I
do pick things up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking too much about myself, right late, Buzzard the
old White Horse and tell me all about that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great little place to go. I love it.
They're always fairly active. I've had some really good a
couple couple of really good poltergeist things happening is interesting.
Speaker 3: So tell me what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, we were doing an investigation and we've stopped, and
do you not find that most of the stuff happens
when you're talking or when you're not investigating. So with investigating,
and there was myself and another investigator talking to the
owner of the house and we were stood in his
sort of front room lounge area, and there's a big
dining room table with a huge candlearbra on it, and
there's three really chunky, really big chunky candles on this
candleabra and there's the usual sort of big spike that
goes under them that they're pushed onto. And as we
stood there talking, the candles fell off the candlelabra one
by one, but there was about sort of a second
and a half two seconds between each one falling, and
they went in different directions, so one a couple of seconds,
two went another way, and then the third one. And
I tried to rule it out because I don't instantly
go on to coast, So we ruled out the fact that, okay,
it's on a main road, So did a lorry go
by and shape the floor or there was no one
else in the room, so no one knocked the table.
We were probably meet and a half away from the table,
so one jogged it. Then I sort of looked for
fish and wire, a little button projected the button or anything. Yeah,
I just I tried to think of anything as a
hard stone floor, So okay, lot maybe could have made
it tremble, but it's not. You know, no one was
walking on floorboards and mobbly floorboards or anything, so we
couldn't debunk it at all. So that was that was
an awesome We stood there like wow.
Speaker 2: So how big was the spark on the on the
candle holder.
Speaker 1: It must have been I would say a good sort
of a couple of centimeters.
Speaker 2: Right, So the candle lembled. Do you think it would
have had to have been physically lifted up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think pushed over.
Speaker 1: To go on. You would have actually, you know, pushed.
Speaker 3: Them off stick it up.
Speaker 1: And there was a hole in the bottom, so they
had been pushed on just you know, I thought check
that just in case they've been just gently put on
and not quite pushed down, because I've not taken any
notice before. But yeah, there was the whole they had
been pushed on, So we just couldn't couldn't explain that one.
Speaker 3: So what else happened there? Then?
Speaker 1: The place often infects me and others with laughter. So
at first people thought I was mad because I would
just start laughing sort of uncontrollably, when you know, we
hadn't been joking or laughing around. We would just be
sat there and then I would just laugh hysterically, you know,
to the point I call it ugly laughing because your teeth,
you know. And then it then started to affect other
members of the team on not just on that occasion,
but on different occasions. There was one way and myself
and one of the ladies I go out with Angela.
We were stood either side of this pool table and
we were in a serious moment, you know, calling out seriously,
and the rest of the team said, me and her,
we looked really weird. We were sort of mimicking each
other's laughter with our hands and the way we were
moving backwards and forwards, and we were doing it for
some time, to the point the rest of the team
actually got quite concerned. They okay, you know, start with,
they were laughing at us, and then it got to
the point, where are they all right? So yeah, I
think it's like because it's an old coaching in there
must have got a lot of alcohol and a lot
of drunken gentle.
Speaker 2: Work, and probably a lot of all the sorts of
merriment as well. Do you think that that was an
attempt to sort of possess you from a spirit, a
sort of body possession or or something like that.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's more of just a feeling, you know. Yeah,
And some of the new people, because like I mentioned
to you, I do like the old White Horse in
they run a little business called Back in Time for Tea,
So they do an afternoon tea and a tour of
the house, and then I'll do like an hour's investigation
for newbies if you like. I don't like that, but
new people, and even some of those people, we only
do an hour investigation with them. And even some of those,
without me mentioning anything, say that they feel almost intoxicated
and they feel a little bit silly in certain areas
of the house.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I love it because I wait for it, and then
I wait for one of them to go, oh, I
feel a bit drunk.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's interesting. All that it's in certain parts of
the host.
Speaker 2: Then isn't that yeah, hotel Sarah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: What do you think? What do you think the reason
behind that is?
Speaker 1: I just think it's usually it's down cellar, so that's
I mean, it is now a private house, right, the
man lives there with his family, so it's usually down
in the cellar. And in next door to the house
there is an old building, a BT exchange. So building
itself isn't isn't particularly old, not like the sort of
fourteenth century coaching in, But it's I think it's the
more the land it was built on, those two places
that we seem to get affected.
Speaker 2: So you think there might have been something else there
before if you've done any any research as to what
might have been there before.
Speaker 1: That the owner Nick has, he's sort of he's aware
of what's there, what was there right as far as
I know, there was more. There was more sort of
pubs and things along the road right route from to London.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so sort of like an extension of the
of the.
Speaker 1: Inn, Yeah, yeah, or possibly another another small pub establishment
that was coaching in. There would have been sort of
more more drinking places along there.
Speaker 3: And have have you ever picked up anything that's unpleasant
not there right, But you're having all the places.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, hinch or I'm going with this, don't you. Yes,
there was an unpleasant spirit hinting brook House, okay that one.
I was working with Gary Fields medium, Gary Fields, and
we picked up on a female spirit upstairs in one
of the rooms, the Bridal Sweet and he'd sort of
put me under his spell, and I was shooting out
with this information, which when I came background because he'd
written it down and it all linked up to everything.
And then he was then picking up on this angry maile.
I then left him and went downstairs into the library,
and I then felt this male come towards me, and
I could feel his anger. I was sort of gripping
my hands and digging my nails into my hands and
getting quite angry. And the rest of the team said
that I need to step up to the other side
of the room away from him and join them, but
I was quite adamant. No, I'm all right, I'm fine,
I'm fine. And then it got to the point I thought, no,
I really must step away now and go back up
the other end. As I did, this almighty force just
pushed me from behind and I fell on the floor.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So that's the most angry spirit I've come across.
Speaker 2: And did you get any indication at all as to
why it was angry? Did it give you any idea?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had myself and Garryfields upstairs. We'd communicate with
the female and he he had worked out that it
was the male was angry because we were basically telling
his story because he'd, if I remember rightly, he had
not been very nice to his wife. He'd sort of
tried to call her insane basically, and it was almost
like he'd been found out, you know, So he was
he was just showing his anger. I think that we
were there and we knew what he'd done and what
he was like.
Speaker 3: So was he was he basically sort of trying to
get a taken away of saying that she was she
was insane or something like that.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm aware, he did he had her
locked away, okay, because he wanted to be with another woman.
So he'd sort of had her locked up and told
everyone she was insane so that he could be with
this other woman.
Speaker 3: And so he was angry that you were out in
him as such.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so right?
Speaker 2: Did he do anything else and apart from physically push
I mean that's bad enough obviously, but were there any
objects or anything like that that.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: No, No, he just he pushed me down. And then
Gary Fields came in because he wasn't in the same
moment at the time. He came in and helped me
sort of get up, and he asked spirit to step away,
and then I got up, but then he sort of
came the spirit came back in, and I actually I
was sort of sat up on the floor, you know,
sort of propped up on my elbow sort of things,
sitting up, and he came this spirit came back in.
Gary Fields felt the energy come back in and I
just fell down again from it. It just sort of
just I was so drained afterwards. It was. Yeah, it
was definitely the most intense, the most angry spirit I've
come across.
Speaker 3: And does that not worry you that it could happen
again or something worse could happen?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, No, you do strike me as being quite tough.
Speaker 1: I'm a big softie, but I think the spirit is
on top.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm meant in a nice way, not a
quite sort of.
Speaker 3: Persistent yes, yeah, no, So where else have you been then?
Speaker 2: What's what other investigations have you done that they really
sort of stick out?
Speaker 1: And the health fire Caves?
Speaker 2: Okay, west Wickham Now then this before started recording, is
this the Naughty Hellfire Club from black Adder?
Speaker 1: This is the Naughty health Fire Club.
Speaker 3: I've never got images going around in my mind.
Speaker 1: Those same images.
Speaker 2: Well not tell me, tell me all about it. I'm
fascinated by this one.
Speaker 1: It is just an amazing place. If you're not been
to visit, no.
Speaker 2: But I think I should do, although I'd probably just
just start reciting entire episodes when I went in there, so,
especially the not to health fare Club once.
Speaker 1: It is a brilliant place if you can go there.
It's it's only about ten pounds to go into the ground,
but it's it is awesome, awesome place. The energy down there,
even for those that are not particularly sensitive, the energy
is so heavy it's like you just feel it as
you walk in. And when I first walked in there,
I thought, oh, yeah, this is good.
Speaker 3: So the actually cave is it actually.
Speaker 1: A care Yeah, chalk caves out in I believe it's
the seventeen hundreds, Yeah, sort of dug out Matt by
Man and yeah, used for.
Speaker 2: Having a bit of a party. I think is that's
the word, is what I think. I think if I
remember the episode, there was radishes involved as well. But
I think people, I think people probably there's there's probably
some people laughing their heads off at this point listening
to this, and.
Speaker 3: Then there's probably what on earth is he babbling on about? Now?
Speaker 2: All I can say is bla black out of the
third I can't remember which episode it is, but he
talked the Prince Regent talks about the Naughty hell Fire Club,
and it's it's really funny how he describes it, because
it was obviously a real place, you know, so that
makes it even funnier. So go on, then, what sort
of things have you picked up when you've been down there?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Okay, well the first area we investigate those sort of
three areas that you can investigate there. So the first
one is as you you go you walk down into
the tunnels, there is an area where you walk down
and it's just one tunnel and then it splits into
two and sort of goes round and then you come
out back into one tunnel. One way is for sa
someone's for sinners, right, So I think The story goes
that if you nothing happens if you go down the
sinner's one, but you've got to go down the correct one,
so don't don't lie basically, so it's okay if you're
a sinner, but you know of course. So in that area,
we were using a rempod, and we had some really
intelligent answers on the rempod. So that's so intelligent, and
in the end we thought, no, we're going to swap
the rempod over and just check if it's faulty equipment. Yeah,
it was like so every time we're asking it to
beat once or twice or whatever, it's doing it. So
we swapped the rempod for for somebody else is a
completely different brand, type and everything, and we were still
getting those correct answers right so that we couldn't sort
of debunk that. We had lots of footsteps around that
point as well, and also a couple of us were
touched quite quite obviously and firmly touched on the leg
right in estes method there, and I as I put
the headphones on, I had my leg touched and then
just a few seconds in I shouted out the word
grab and then I didn't know but once I've taken
the headphones off and spoken to the team. Just before
I shouted grab, Almost at the same time, one of
the other team's legs had been grabbed. But then also
at that point, because I logged everything down and while
I was doing other people were logging things down, someone
from one of the other groups had told the spirit
to come and grab the leg of the person whose
leg was grabbed.
Speaker 3: Ok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we said about this band's leg was grabbed, and
they went, oh, we said at this time to go
and grab his leg and he'd said it was it was.
It was kind of strange, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real coincidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the next area, which is the sort of
main hall, on the way to the main hall, you've
got another area that goes around and that's for men
one side, women in the other. And whoever you met
at the end was your partner for the night.
Speaker 3: That's it sounds a great place.
Speaker 1: In the main hall, it's it's a huge sort of
cabin and there's sort of cutouts in the in the side,
I think there's six either six or eight, I can't remember,
and that's where there had been beds with curtains and
that was interesting. We had lots of shadows, footsteps. We
had some good e vps in there, and then I
picked up on a female in there. I don't really
remember any of it. I was just told because I
kind of I lost it. I remember standing one side
of the cave and then all I remember then he
is being pulled out of the cave by two of
the well one medium and one of the investigators there.
And apparently I walked around the other side of the
cave and then I went, I don't feel very well.
And then Keith, who was with me, said, oh my gosh, quick,
someone came and help me. Hold her up. She's going
to fall. I'm quite heavy, so he was trying to
hold me up and then apparently I was crying. I
gave them the name I think it was that Sarah,
and I gave him the date of seventeen something, seventeen
thirty something, I think it was, and I kept saying
that he brought me down here, he brought me down,
and I was the upset. So I was taken out
of the caves and then I remember them saying, what's
your name? So I'm going to believe what's happened? And
then Andy Moore, medium he sort of could feel the
female presence around me, and he believes it's because I'm
I'm the sort of person that will listen to anyone
and time for people, and this spirit felt that she
could come to me and and sort of and that
I would listen to her and help her, so she'd
sort of come to me. So he sort of helped
me understand that and helped her to understand that she
needed to move on with the way.
Speaker 2: I always think it's quite sad when you when you
encounter something, you encounter a spirit that's obviously very unhappy. Yeah,
and I think it's quite sad, especially in situations like that,
because you can you can imagine, you know what, all
joking aside, you can imagine what what must have gone on. Yeah,
these sort of places in the the upper class, the
aristocracy were very you know, debauched, I think is probably
the best way of putting it.
Speaker 3: And you can just imagine probably what went tom down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's quite sad. You know that you've got
spirits that are still attached to the place that are
obviously struggling to move on for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad.
Speaker 3: Did you pick anything else up? While you were down there,
then you didn't You didn't.
Speaker 2: Fin any chance to pick up George the Fourth or
anybody like that.
Speaker 1: No, we did have been in the last visual that
was it was fairly quite honest in the last visual,
and that's in the cave that is was used for
sort of satanic rituals. Only the top people would have
gone down there, the sort of leaders and that, and
they would have done sacrifices and that in there. We
were quite surprised. It was quite quiet, although we did
have a catball sort of thrown right quite debunket but couldn't.
It was sort of on a little platform there on
the wall. There's like little cutouts right in there, and
it was sort of well sat in there. It wasn't
just perch and being at chalk, I kind of like
squished it into the chalk a little bit. There was
no way it could have rolled off, definitely no way.
And it came off the wall and it landed probably
about four foot away from the wall in gravel. So
if it had fallen off the wall, surely it would
have just dropped anyway. And it couldn't rolled because it's
like really really fine pea gravel, so it kind of
wouldn't have rolled. If it was a hard flat surface,
maybe it could have fallen and rolled. We were all
quite surprised. It just sort of went so yeah that
that happened in there, so that that was interesting.
Speaker 2: That's almost as if someone is pulling it out of
the wall and you think, yeah, yeah, it's quite interesting.
Speaker 3: Well that does sound like an interesting player, I must
have mat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would highly recommend it.
Speaker 3: Whereabouts is it?
Speaker 1: It's west Wickham? Which is that Buckingham share?
Speaker 3: Right? Interesting?
Speaker 2: So have you got any upcoming investigations that you're particularly
looking forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward to Bishton Hall. I've got that
coming up. That's out Staffordshire way Castle. I'm looking forward
to that one. So there's some of the bigger ones,
and then I've got some little sort of local ones
that I'm really excited for as well. I've got Ramsey
Rural Museum which is pretty much on my doorstep. I'm
looking forward to that one. I'm looking forward to them all.
Speaker 2: Have you been telling these places before or are these
new places?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: The ones I mentioned for investigations are new places. I've
got some that I'm returning to that are local, like
Whittle Sea Museum this Saturday at Stratum Old Engine, which
is jumping station for the Fens. So I've done that
sort of two or three times.
Speaker 3: Have you ever picked anything interesting up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've picked a few things up there which other
teams again all picked up. It's quite interesting. Got a
few local teams have picked up children drowning boy and
a girl and they seem to come through a few
us a spirit board, right, So yeah, a few teams
picked up on them. But going back again is good.
Some people say why are you going back to the
same places? But for me it's it's not about just
about like the EMF going up and the box buzzing,
and that I won't like to piece together the jigsaw
puzzle and find out information because there's so many layers
of history it takes more than one visit to if
you want to get a good good picture.
Speaker 2: It's it's like peeling an onion, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find it's probably because I live in a
part of the country that's extremely hilly, and you know,
there's lots and there isn't anywhere flat ground here really
until you get out to the to the west, to
the west coast, but I always find that the fends,
the Fenlands and around Lincolnshire, around the extremely atmospheric. Yeah,
all the whole landscape I think has got a real
yeah feel to it, isn't it, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1: It's got a sort of.
Speaker 3: Feel to it.
Speaker 2: And it always whenever whenever I'm driving through, whenever I'm
going down to the southeast or whatever, you know, going
downside the north of course Suffolk or anywhere around there,
because I do, I.
Speaker 3: Do love that part of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always seems to be a little bit misty
and a little bit yes still and a little bit spooky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit bit of the world lif you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, might live very well relief in Cambridge here
so that we haven't got many neighbors at all nearby,
and I do live right along a river, so it's
it's it does get very misty if you look out
of the windows, as flat, flat as anything, very misty,
and yeah, you can have that sort of creepiness about it.
Speaker 2: Do you have any any legs I know we're going
slightly off taning here then, but do you have any
sort of legends of strange creatures or cryptids or anything
in the area where you live that you know of.
Speaker 1: There is the legend of the black Shuck, the big
black dog thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2: I think it seems to be something similar no matter
where you go in the country. Yeah, I think there's
a sort of variation of it. We have a similar
one up here in the Northwest and down to Corhenwall
on holiday and they've had a similar sort of thing
down there. But yeah, I think it originated actually in
your part of the country and then it's sort of
sort of spread out from there.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not seen him yet.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you don't go out for
walks at night. Then when it's missed it, I don't
blame you.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been it's been great chatting to you. It's
really interesting stories. Thanks for thanks for coming on. And
as I say, this is a milestone this this podcast,
the fiftieth one. Never thought i'd get to this stage.
But is there going to be another fifty? Who knows?
It's been brilliant talking to you. Where can people get
in contact with you?
Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook, Emily Underscore Paranormal. That's that's the best place.
I do have TikTok and Instagram, but I'm a bit
slow with them. I'm a bit they're too too trendy
for me.
Speaker 2: I'm exactly the same. I'm still trying to work TikTok out.
I'm just it's I think I'm what years too old
for it to be honest with you. So so no,
it's uh, yeah, I know, I know what you mean.
Facebook's about Facebook and YouTuber about my limit. So yeah,
so if people want to get in contact with you,
they can just drop you a line on on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Yep, there's what's Apple Messenger on there, so you can
do either.
Speaker 3: All yeah, excellent, Well, thanks very much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you for telling us all about especially the naught
to hell that's I'm gonna people don't still don't know
what I'm talking about. BBC TV, Blackadder, Ron Atkinson. It
was a comedy program at the Comedy showing the clime.
It was in the eighties, nineties, eighties, late eighteen I suppose, yeah,
a long time ago. Now it shows our old way hard,
don't it. So yeah, people still what I'm talking about
going going look you up? And then you'll you'll understand
why I went or give you when we started talking
about but it's been fascinating talking.
Speaker 3: Good luck with your investigations.
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back on again at some
point and you tell me all about your your your
upcoming investigations and any any any really interesting stuff that happens.
Speaker 3: It will be great to chat with you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, lovely, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on tech Care, thank you and
good luck.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant
dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember
to keep watching the shadows, don don'