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Speaker 1: What is up, fellows that goes on and they have

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a valley coming at you with more Yensen of the

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NBA podcast, Fame of Yathu Sports, fame of Forbes fame,

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and of of course Only Fans celebrity. We're here to

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talk about stuff, a lot of it depressing, depending on

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which band basee you root for. Before we get started,

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have to begin with the dame stuff. Of course, mort,

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how are you doing so?

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Speaker 2: I'm actually doing pretty well. It's funny you bring up

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the only fans thing because I had I had a

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guy reach out to me and basically say, look, if

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you don't make that one soon, I will, and like

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he's he's like he was, he wasn't kidding. It's like

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you gotta make it reality just to have it now,

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like just to have the account.

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Speaker 1: So so now actually make an AI. They're gonna make

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an AI more Jensen only fans, which means that you

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have to eat them to it and make the real

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more only fans.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, well he did say something interesting. He said,

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Remember the people at Only Fans actually wanted to go

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away from the naughty stuff. Remember that they actually wanted

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to close that whole thing down and become like quote

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unquote serious, So like apparently there is content on that

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platform that is naughty, Like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there should be a can you cross it over?

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You gotta meld it together? What's naughty? NBA content look

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like naughty?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Look, do we just put like the like the porn

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nineteen seventy porn music, Like I thinkcheshne behind right behind

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all your monologues.

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Speaker 2: Let's do that, right, and we go into all of

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like the luther Head rude gay jokes out there, all

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of them, Kevin Love, like, we go into all the

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funny names. We we that's like, that's it right, because

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it's it's actually funny. You asked me that because I

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remember this goes ways way back to like when I

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was sixteen seventeen, I had this idea that I don't

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know why, but I maybe because I was still such

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a fan at that point, I wasn't covering the league

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so I just looked up to the NBA. And I

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remember at school there was a girl who came over

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and I was looking at stats where they had player

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pictures of players on it, and she was like, oh

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my god, she said, like he's so ugly. And I

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never looked at it in that light. I was like, okay,

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look there, surely there are more attractive NBA players than

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this guy. I think she picked out like Petrarch, Drupnutche

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or something like that. It was greatious and I showed

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her like fifty NBA players, thinking yeah, like she's gonna

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eat her words. She was like Nope, every single one

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of them was basically ugly until we arrived as Cheul

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Mary and she was like, oh, yeah, he can have it.

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And so like maybe that's maybe that's a category. Maybe

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maybe like let's simply rate NBA players not on their skills,

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but just on their way they look.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's wild regression. That's like Wags territory from

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ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's the start of Facebook. The Facebook, that was the

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whole point. Anyway, we just do it with NBA players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to move on from here because now

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I'm depressed.

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Speaker 2: I know me too.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to start with Dame Shocker. He's

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officially been diagnosed with the torn achilles from that MRI. Yeah,

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he does have there are two things I want to

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hit with this before getting into the bucks. He does

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have a history of like lower body calf stuff, and

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we know he was dealing with the DVT that was

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in his right calf. There was some speculation that he

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shouldn't have come back, the Buck shouldn't have been playing him.

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The medical sports experts and like some of them are

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actual doctors, have all kind of said, that's not what

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happened here. So I'm not trying. I'm just saying I

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don't think Damian Miller are the Bucks did anything wrong.

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Here is what it seems like. And then the second

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thing is this just sucks. Man. This is just like

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he's gonna be thirty five. This isn't you know Kevin

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Durant who can rise up and jump shoot over everybody.

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He needs to dribble and create and be crafty for

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the full breath of his impact to be felt. It

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just sucks, even if you didn't think the Bucks's window

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was open, quote unquote with him and Yannis together, it's

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just this blows. These serious injuries always blow. But this

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is someone who's incredibly entertaining to watch. I think he

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helped really reshape the way that NBA offense is played.

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And it just even looking kind of at the him

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and Yannis lens of it all, they've now played in

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what like to and change playoff games together. Even if

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you didn't think their window was open, we were supposed

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to get more than that from their time together.

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Speaker 2: Man look, Dame for so many years was one of

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my favorite players to watch, just one of the most

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entertaining dudes. Like remember that shot against Okay seeing the playoffs,

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like just to have the balls, the audacity to take

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that shot, and ye was it. Paul George afterwards was

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at well, it was a bad shot, Like everyone was

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trying to downplay like the shot selection, but like here's

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the thing nobody cares like, right, be fun, Paul George,

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shut up, just acknowledge that it was a crazy good shot.

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But it just to have that will power, have that

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confidence to take that shot at that point in time,

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and the way that he did it, it's like the

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balls of this guy. And that's that's always been the

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way I've looked at Dame, like just the he's just

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so unafraid of everything. So this sucks so much. It

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all Also obviously there's so many like rible effects that

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we'll get into about the bucks and Gianna's and all

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of this because of this injury, Like you never want

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to see a guy of this caliber potentially to alter

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his career that way. I mean, look, we can't hide

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from the fact that Kobe wasn't the same and that

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was a similar age, right like thirty six, thirty five,

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thirty six and just never the same guy. And of

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course there are guys who came back from Achilles tears

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and did well, and I do think doctors nowaday are

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better than ever in fixing it. But it'd be such

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a shame if we are now going to see like

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a seventeen point per game Damian Lillard, who was like

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shooting in the mid thirties from here on out. That

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would be god awful in a and just a horrific

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way to like wrap up the final few years of

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his career. So here's hoping he'll have a KD turnaround.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even that, how old was KD? Because Lillard's

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gonna be thirty five this summer, I believe, And so

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he's not gonna come back until he's thirty six, Like

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he doesn't play next season. That would be pretty surprising,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh well, I mean the Bucks do like to

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rush him back, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't add fuel to that fire, you mentioned it though,

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like the shot against Okay, see, even remember the Houston series,

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felt like his sort of that was just his that

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was his touchstone moment in the sense of, oh, this

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dude's going to be a problem, and I think he'll

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go down like he's one of those players where the

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anecdotes and the stats kind of a line where he's

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probably just gonna go down as one of the most

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most clutch players of all time, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, oh absolutely. And I hate the fact that

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we have to say that like he's going to go

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down as that, like we're always already talking about him

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as if the career is over. I hate that.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to eulogize it. It's just it's very

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rare that players well, I mean, I don't even know

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if it's very rare so much as Kevin Durant like

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came back and was basically Kevin Durant, and it's just different,

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I think. So I hope he comes back, and you know,

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it'll be in the final year of his deal at

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that point, and he's just annihilatory. Just just it sucks.

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Though he's older and he's a small point guard to

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begin with, which I think you would argue those guys

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are typically at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to

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the aging curve of their games, and you throw an

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Achilles tear into this, and I it just it sucks.

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That's what I keep coming back to, is it sucks.

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Speaker 2: He's also one of those few active guys who are

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like superstars and gets to the line that's on who's

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actually drilling almost ninety percent for his career, like eighty

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nine point nine for his career on like six and

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a half attempts over nine hundred games. The concentration level

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that you have to have to hit ninety percent of

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your free FROs over the course of nine hundred NBA games,

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it's just ridiculous, Like nine hundred games played, twenty five

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points per game as well, Like the rosstats like, oh

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my god, no, this guy, like I'm not gonna utilgize either,

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but like, this guy is definitely going down as an

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old timer for sure, and also in the entertainment atmosphere

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as well, almost three thousand threes as well. God, I

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mean this, no, this is this all such?

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Speaker 1: Did you have a career stats pulled up? How many

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points does he have for his career?

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Speaker 2: Twenty two and a half thousand.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully he'll still join the twenty five thousand point club.

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I think'll he should still be around long enough to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: That'll be that'd be nice. And he just he cracked

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six thousand assists this year, like he was never an

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elite playmaker, So I actually think that's a pretty solid

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mark for someone who is in like.

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Speaker 1: He did what was it the Pelican series that they

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lost way back when it felt like he came not

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that he was ever one of the best playmakers in

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the game, came out of that series like and then

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came back the next season as just a different type

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of passer when it was reacting to all his attention,

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defenses were throwing at him, and so that was also

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super cool to see. And this was something where you know,

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just to run counter to the doom and gloom, maybe

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he comes back. And just because the way you could

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technically leverage him off the ball, like yeah, he hear,

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he wouldn't be able to pinball around the same way.

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And maybe it gets harder to make sharp cuts or

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even set screens. But as someone who's just a transcendent

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shooter like there is the floor's basic elmative. Maybe you

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don't need to dominate the action. You can still levy

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a real impact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I mean it's not like when Clay

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went down. That was the ACLS here though, first and foremost,

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and that was the acousy during his rehab. Unfortunately, like

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Clay was a good defender before he went down, he

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was actually a very good defender. Dame has never had

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that you know, repetition, like reputation that the word he might.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he might also be one of the worst transition

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defenders of all time.

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Speaker 2: Right, so like can we We can probably argue there's

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stuff a lot lost in that department, probably with the

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lack of footspeed coming back. So like if you can

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just key in offensively and just space the floor, perhaps

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that's the pathway. That'd be wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to a point, not that this would

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be it, but kind of how there's still serious injuries.

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But when someone suffers an ACL tear, it's not all over,

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Like could achilles eventually become this is this part? Like

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is this part of that progression? I will cross my

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fingers for it, even if that goes against what science

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says at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say this though, because I had a

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conversation with someone about this, and that was like, because

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both Kyrie and Dame now went down in the same

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gear with like devastating injuries, and he made the same

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point like, well, you know, an acl harri'sn't that bad anymore.

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Where I'm like, well, I mean, sure, if you're in

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your early twenties, that's true. Like for a guy like Kyrie,

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who's what twenties, thirty three I want to say, thirty two,

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forty three, somewhere along those lines, I'm still not entirely

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sure he's out of the woodshed, although like knock on

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wood that he is. But like, it just gets tough

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for coming back from injuries when you're in your mid thirties,

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regardless of what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I need more rest following like weightlifting workouts,

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let alone playing high level physical, super athletic basketball for

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thirty five plus minutes night in and night out. Let's

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talk a little bit about what this means for the

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Bucks and so this will be time stamps. So if

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you want just to hop to the Yannis trade stuff,

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which has to be a conversation about all that, But

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I really do think it deserves more of a setup

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as to well, why are people going to jump to

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the Yiannis trade stuff? And I think a lot of that.

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You just talked about this extensively, you said on another podcast.

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I was writing about this a little while ago. The

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Bucks are going to enter this offseason about twenty three

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million below the luxury tax. That does not include a

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new deal for Brook Lopez, who was a free agent.

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It also assumes that Bobby Porous and Pat Conaton pick

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up their player option pack contan duh. Bobby portis kind

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of on the fence about like if he might be

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able to get a longer deal, it just gets him

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more money. Also, notably though dearI Tranch Junior and Torrian Prince.

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been doing in the playoffs, but as someone who's on

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a minimum contract, they've both been hyper important. They can

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be free agent, they are going to be free agents,

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and they have they don't The Bucks don't have bird

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rights on them, and so it's if they're not going

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to be able to offer them what will be the

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tax player mid level exception, or maybe they're able to

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stay out of the tax if Lopez leaves. Those are

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two guys that are probably gone though Dame himself has

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two years in one hundred and twelve point six million

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left on his contract. Think he's actually this is the

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beginning of that Portland extension. And I think he's also

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extension eligible this summer, if that matters to anyone. And

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so you're not dealing with a ton of financial flexibility.

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Here is the point. And then you look at the

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Bucks' pick equity. They can trade up to one first

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and one first round swap this summer. That is it.

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And then you get into all right, well, what's the

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best package you could get for that? You have to

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attach it to salary per Colpez, a free agent, Damian

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or just cut injured. Who are you attaching it to?

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Does Kyle Kuzma have any value that he has not

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been great for the Bucks? His contract is not. He's

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two years under forty one million left, So it's not

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that's a deal you can move. I just don't know

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wherever you want to start off this list more. But

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the Kyle Kuzma thing is, I think he's eminently movable,

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but I don't think he's part of the value that

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you're sending out anything.

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Speaker 2: Right, Probably right, No, you can. He's a contract, That's

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what he is. He's a contract that you can send out.

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He's sort of fulfiller. He is not someone who an

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NBA team goes in and identifies and goes, oh, yeah,

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that's the guy we want. If a team does that,

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Milwaukee needs to squeeze everything they can out of that.

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And just I don't know, right three exactly. I mean,

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that's that has to be the thinking there, because he's

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not an asset. The issue here, even so I recorded

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a Danish podcast about this, You're absolutely right, and we

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spent like an hour and a half on it. This

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was before a Dame went down, so we also went

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into like the whole idea of trading day, and even

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with him before the injury, we're both like my co

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host and I were like, you know, Dame is probably

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worth more as a player than as a trade asset

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right now. Oh yeah, So that that also like complicates

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matters a great deal. There isn't anything that just stands

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as a major boom from Milwaukee outside of Giannest, like

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even Ryan Ronald Robert Ryan Rollins. That was hard, apparently,

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I'm okay, okay, that was tough. That was a tough one,

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all the rs. Good player. I actually I am. I'm

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actually pretty optimistic about his future. He's going to be

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a restricted free agent, so that there might be more

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money on the cap from there, Like Kevin Porter Junior.

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Despite him as a human being as a basketball player,

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he's fine and he's.

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Speaker 1: Been too important to them. Yeah, you're right, that's right

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player option.

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Speaker 2: I think he has right player option two and a

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half mil He could leave, like it's just so contractually speaking,

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there's not a whole lot to do here. But more importantly,

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Yannis also wants to win. I understand how in love

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with Milwaukee he is, and I will say, aunt Blue

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s guy. I did like air this. You know, the

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possibility that he could leave, a lot of Bucks fans

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did take well. I mean, I don't want to say

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they took offense, but they were like no more. Like

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Yannis loves Milwaukee. He's gonna stay regardless. And I'm I'm

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reaching that point where that would be romantic, Like, yes,

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that would absolutely be romantic if he was just like, yes,

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I want to stay with this organization regardless. But I

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don't think he's wired that way. Could you not see

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Yannis just by the twenty game mark next year, if

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they it's still Doc Rivers on the sidelines and it's

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like his poor roster all around him, they're playing like

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four hundred ball and he's just like, no, Like, what

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the hell what are we doing here? That scenario is

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very very obvious to me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's obvious, and I mean I do want

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to go there. But what I really want to ask

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you is like, what is the what is the case

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for the Bucks to not take the initiative going down that.

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Speaker 2: There isn't one? What like what can they work like

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realistically speaking, where can they go from here to build something?

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Speaker 1: Well? I I don't for next season. I really don't know.

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You would have to hope like Dame coming back in

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twenty twenty six, twenty seven, and that are you able

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to man? But it if so, you're operating into the

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assumption Dame doesn't play next season. I get, what are

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you obligated to bring back Brook? What is the best

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and now all of a sudden, what's your primary like

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priority if you're going on the trademark and saying, you know,

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we're gonna put the pick and the swap on the

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table and attach whatever money we need to it has

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to be another self creator. And are you looking at

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it through because you don't have Dame and you arguably

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needed something like that as well anyway, And so you

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have to look at it through two lenses of was

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it just get the best player we can or are

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you also trying to well, we also would like someone

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who could fit with Dame, And you're honest, when Dame

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is healthy enough to play down the line, I think

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it's an imp this, I'll say I I do think

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who's that player?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt with who's that player? Like, give

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me a name or give me like a talent level.

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What type of talent level are we looking at here?

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Are we looking at all Star? Are we looking at

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go to starter? What type of player quality we're looking

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at here?

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Speaker 1: Without Dame, it probably needs to skew all Star. And

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that's the problem is that can you get that guy? No,

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that's what I mean, That's what I was gonna say,

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is that you can't find the ideal name, and so

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then you can get into the pattern of we'll just

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get the best player that you can and figure out

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the rest later. But without Dame, the gap between them

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and like the Calves and the Celtics like is I

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would say insurmountable. And then it's can they even catch

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the Pacers or the Knicks with like a type of

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like hitting a double on the trade market, So they

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probably can. And so you look at next year specifically,

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and you're saying it would have to be almost a

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gap year, which rings hollow when you don't control the

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fate of your own first round pick. Yannis, that'll be

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his as a age thirty one season. He's thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. Yannis can't afford a gap year, like

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he is going to be thirty one this year.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here though,

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and say, I don't know if Jannis isn't going to

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ask for out, and I'm the Bucks just because I

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don't control my own draft picks, I don't I can

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see the case. It's sort of like Devid Booker in

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Phoenix to where it's only it's worse because you can't

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just trade him to one place and say, oh, we're

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gonna get back two of our first distance or three

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of our distant first round picks, like that option isn't

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really available to them. So like yeah, if there's a

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if there's a package that cut one of the truth,

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like if Yannis here's my point, if Jannis doesn't ask

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for out and I this could be a repeat of

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what we say that Portland should have taken the initiative

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and moved Damian Lillard. I think this is different in

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the sense that Portland never even did enough to optimize

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the Damian Liward window, and they were very clearly moving

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toward a future timeline. It seems like they just didn't

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want to be the ones to lose the press conference

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round the relationship, and they put the onus on him.

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In this case, it's you're not like because at the

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end of this shit stained rainbow, I guess if you're rebuilding,

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you don't control your own picks. If Giannis doesn't want

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to leave and he wants to give it another season,

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I'm not sure if I could take the initiative and

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move him anyway. Maybe they could, because we did see

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Horst he like kept Drew Holliday's name out of trade talks,

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and they say that that was out of respect to Drew,

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but that was really out of respect to the Bucks,

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because Drew probably would have liked the heads up that

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a trade was coming when we just saw the move

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Chris Middleton to Washington. I don't think he you know,

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I'm not not saying he was a malcontent in Washington.

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It seems like they really appreciate his voice. But I'm

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sure he didn't want to go to the Wizards, so

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maybe they have the gall to move Giannis without him asking.

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But man, if he says I want to give it

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at least another year, he just I know, I'm not

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gonna request a trade mid season. I'll gut it out.

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I would have a tough time moving him because this

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is a once in a lifetime type of talent and

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I don't even see the and we can get to that.

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I think that's the next phase. But I wanted to ask.

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If he doesn't ask for out, that doesn't change your

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calculus year at all.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't what I do. If he doesn't ask out,

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even if he comes to me and says, look, I

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want to be here another year, I'm going to ask

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him for a meeting, him and his agent, and I'm

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gonna sit them both down and say, look, while we

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greatly appreciate that, while we absolutely understand that having you

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on this roster is an enormous asset, and you mean

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everything to us as a franchise. You're the best player

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in franchise history. There's no way we're going to be

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better in the long run here unless we have to

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replenish our cupboard. So how about you and I work together,

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You and your agent and me, we work together on

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finding a situation that's optimal for you and where the

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trade return is optimal for us, because this is just

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kicking the can down the road, and we as an

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organization who have grown fond of you, also don't want

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to see you waste a or if you're prime, we

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are fans of yours. We've seen you grown up, grow

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up right in front of our eyes. We want to

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make sure that you are happy with the rest of

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your career, and we also want to make sure that

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we're on the right path moving forward as an organization.

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Speaker 1: I think I lean towards that argument. I just think

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when that play like replenishing your cupboard, unless it's someone

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you're getting back that you believe you can rebuild around,

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it just gets so tough because then you're gett into

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shorting futures of other teams because you can't dictate like

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you just don't have control over your own first round

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picks their next They don't have control of their own

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first round until twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Correct as a long time, but that means you've got

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to get the draft picks elsewhere. And look, I have

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a trade. I don't know if we should get there already.

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I can save it for later, but I have one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess let's move on to that. Just to

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like the cliff notes on the Yanni stuff is that

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I would call his and you can tell me if

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you disagree with this nutshell, because he basically has said

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I will stay in Milwaukee until I decide that I

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can't contend there, and that's basically just been what he said.

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So like he has sound someone not like he's you know,

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throwing out these threats. But I don't think where there's

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other players that maybe you couldn't envision requesting a trade.

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I do think Giannis is the type of player that would.

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We also had Chris Haynes, whose cousin is Gianni's fiance,

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for people who care about that stuff, says he doesn't

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think I'll tend to coopole finish his career in Milwaukee

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I don't know how much I read into that specifically,

474
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:28,559
because I think we could say that about literally any

475
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,519
player who's yet to change teams in the NBA, Like

476
00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:32,799
what is the It'd be hard to envision Yokic on

477
00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:34,920
another team, But I'm not going to rule out Jokic

478
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,160
right finishing his career on another team. Uh. He has

479
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,079
three years and one hundred and seventy five million left

480
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,160
on his deal player option. At the end of that,

481
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,160
you said you had a trade. Is there like a

482
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480
you know, let's hear that first trade then, because I'm

483
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,359
interested to see like how you're because I think when

484
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,640
you mentioned the not like having control of their own

485
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,960
draft picks. I know you say you got to get

486
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,160
the draft picks somewhere else, but if you're trading Giannis somewhere,

487
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,079
you're inherently, I would say, diminishing the value of that

488
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,680
team's own draft picks, which I think really complicates.

489
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's back. If you don't If you think I

490
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,400
haven't taken that into account, sir, you must think very

491
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,079
lowly of me.

492
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: I didn't think you would have taken into account I'm

493
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,799
saying it. I'm gonna fascinated to see how your packages

494
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,079
account for that.

495
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:20,039
Speaker 2: So there are two picks in a package of total

496
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,079
a total of five picks first rounders, all first rounders

497
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,559
that are that team's own, where you just kind of say,

498
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,559
all right, well, but they're in twenty nine and forty one,

499
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,359
so like they might actually be good. It's the San

500
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,119
Antonio Spurs. The deal is Devin Vessel, Harrison Barnes, jerem

501
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,039
is Sohan. Then the Chicago pick in twenty twenty six,

502
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240
the unprotected Atlanta pick in twenty twenty seven, which could

503
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,799
be pretty juicy, and there's a Boston pick in twenty

504
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,400
twenty eight, which you know it's I'm not closing the

505
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,440
door on that being more interesting than what it is

506
00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:59,200
right now because we have kept her. We've heard the

507
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:04,079
rumplings about like the Celtics might actually eventually think it's

508
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:06,960
time to be concerned about the tax and new ownership.

509
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,279
We don't really know. And then it's the Spurs themselves

510
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,759
that send out two unprotected picks from them from themselves

511
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:14,920
in twenty nine and forty one.

512
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: That's a really good package. And I love me some

513
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,680
Devin Misselle. I actually like that Steph Castle's not in

514
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,799
there because I'm just lower on him long term than

515
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,359
a lot of other people. If he feels very if

516
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,720
he never develops like any semb once of a jumper,

517
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,839
I don't know like what his ceiling then becomes. And

518
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,519
so I don't I think to me, I'd rather try

519
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,960
to have to start building a team around Devin Vessel

520
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,799
than I would Steph Castle. With that said, now, is

521
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:43,480
that Boston pick that's a swap? Right?

522
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: Oh? It might be is I'm looking at a screen

523
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,160
crap that I did of it, so I don't remember

524
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,400
the details of that. It's the I do think so

525
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:52,519
perhaps it's a swap.

526
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is still I mean pretty like you said

527
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,039
distant having the having a bull's pick in there, But

528
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:00,480
you said a bulls pick.

529
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: Right, correct in twenty twenty six. It's protected though, so

530
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,640
like to p yes, correct, but it's the bulls so

531
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,240
who knows.

532
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: Right, they're going to do everything in their power to

533
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,480
make sure they convey that pick. Maybe, uh so, yeah,

534
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:18,880
so I think the Boston one is a swap. So,

535
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,279
but that's it's top one protected. That's a really loose swap.

536
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,920
That's a good the Atlanta pick, of course, and then

537
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,880
you said, so it's a spurs twenty nine.

538
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: Pick and forty one.

539
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good package. I actually don't the

540
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,839
idea of having I guess Wemby's a good enough shooter,

541
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,759
but to have Steph Castle and Giannis on the same team.

542
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,799
Giannis has improved a lot from the mid range though,

543
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,160
but like the Aaron Fox, Steph Gianni like, that's a

544
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,079
lot of iff you shooting.

545
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,039
Speaker 2: Yes, So that's it's interesting you bring that up, because

546
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,599
that was something in Danish of course we were talking

547
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,720
about as well, Like, yes, the spacing would be an issue.

548
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,440
So basically mandate from ownership and from leadership would be

549
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,599
to just surround those guys with shooters like you would

550
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,000
have to like from the bench, and guys who can

551
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400
come in like everyone else on the roster more or

552
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,519
less would have to be floor spacers.

553
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,839
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, that's like that. What's wild about

554
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:14,240
that with the spurs is so what assets do they

555
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,319
have left in their clip after that?

556
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: They actually still had a fair bit believe it or not.

557
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: They saw the wolves picks right or they had the Wolves.

558
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then of course because of the Stepien role,

559
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,640
they would still have their own picks, some of their

560
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,759
own picks because you just can't trade everything. And then,

561
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
like as you kind of alluded to you you might

562
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,880
not be high on Stefan Castle. I'm enormously high on him,

563
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,119
although I do share concerns about the shooting because that

564
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,640
shooting is, oh boy, like when you break it down

565
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,559
in terms of how he hits and how he misses,

566
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,119
it's it's pretty bleak. It's that's said.

567
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,839
Speaker 1: It's a weird. I just want to clarify, because we

568
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,079
always catch shit when I talk about Steph Castle. For

569
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,359
some reason, I actually think his ceiling is higher than

570
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,960
I expected, because, like the defense was kind of has advertised,

571
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,279
the passing is just so good, some of the reads

572
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,200
that he was making, and so I'm like, man, if

573
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880
that guy had like a consistent and we know he

574
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,839
can get and finish to the rim, if he had

575
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:13,000
a consistent set jumper or like the in between, just

576
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,240
like floater, just an operable mid range jumper, that his

577
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:18,359
ceiling becomes way higher than I would have thought coming

578
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,680
out of the draft. I just think there's a higher

579
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,839
chance that he hits his floor, not that he hits

580
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:25,480
his ceiling, just that there's a higher chance than you

581
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,759
would like that he kind of never hits his ceiling

582
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:28,880
like that's uncomfortable.

583
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear, I think, to me, it's the

584
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,519
fact that he's I thought he was far more intelligent

585
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,880
on the coin that I thought he would be. Not

586
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,200
not that I thought he would be dumb like I

587
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,759
watched him at Yukon, but I thought it would take

588
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,519
a couple of years for that basketball IQ to sort

589
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,880
of carry you over and improve to like NBA standard.

590
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,160
He came out rolling like that, just with reading the

591
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000
floor in great ways, both defensively and offensively. I think him,

592
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:04,200
I'm immediately realizing that his strength and his body is

593
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,920
an asset. Is also something that makes me feel very

594
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000
comfortable about his future. Like I don't I can't even

595
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,440
tell you how many Spurs games I've seen where he'll

596
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:16,240
attack from the baseline and he'll have a bigger dude

597
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,880
on him, like rotate over. He will power through that

598
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,160
motherfucker's chest and go up and dunk him in the face,

599
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,200
where I'm like, did that just happen? Did a six

600
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,559
six dude just bump off a six eleven two sixty

601
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,160
center and just yam in his face?

602
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:32,599
Speaker 1: Oh?

603
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so there's something there. There's a fearlessness that

604
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,799
I adore. There's the ability to get to the free

605
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,240
throw line, there's the passing, there's obviously the defense. He's also,

606
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,319
in my perspective, a pretty good rebounder and someone who

607
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,880
will only get better in that regard. It all comes

608
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,519
down to the three. The three is going to be

609
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,240
the swing skill. But if there's an organization out there

610
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,119
where I'm perhaps less worried about that is probably san Antonio.

611
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, would be fun. I don't know

612
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,640
if we'd be there the next season, but like there'd

613
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,359
be a time, probably soon where Giannis is all of

614
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,599
a sudden just the third best defender on a team,

615
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,160
and that's kind of terrifying.

616
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I don't.

617
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,559
Speaker 1: That package is right in line. I'd be I'd have

618
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,640
some hesitance, just like what san Antonio's offense ends up

619
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,200
looking like with the talent on that team would just

620
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,559
be so undeniable.

621
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: And you're just me, do we really worry about Wemby

622
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:26,960
shooting and all this?

623
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,839
Speaker 1: If you're still playing with three questionable shooters at least

624
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,720
in the interim as part of your core lineup, I

625
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,240
think that's a pretty risky gamble.

626
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Right wellis Fox and Castle. I presume yeah, and it's

627
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,839
it would work.

628
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: I just don't know, like what would the ceiling on

629
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000
that offense be in the playoffs? I really do a

630
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:50,480
lot would hinge on Wemby darn Fox and Steph Castle,

631
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,079
just like how those guys develop, or does the Aaron

632
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Fox Like can his shooting kind of make the right

633
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,599
turn where it dipped a little bit this year? I

634
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200
think the compensation is probably right in line with what

635
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,839
Milwaukee should be thinking about.

636
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: Though perhaps perhaps you do something like this will take

637
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,839
some convincing, but perhaps you go to Castle and his

638
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,039
team and you say, look, we have this opportunity to

639
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,720
go get Gianni's and make a run, like a real run.

640
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,920
How about you become you know, our our our six

641
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,799
man sounds so horrible, but like just our our you know,

642
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:28,960
our sixth starter, Like you're gonna play for any minutes,

643
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,359
but you're gonna come off the bench just so you

644
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,720
can sort of take over those second units. They might

645
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:37,559
still help to keep Chris Paul around, Like, hey, I

646
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,279
would imagine Chris could be convinced to return for a year.

647
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fact that he stayed there all

648
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:44,680
year this year.

649
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're starting Julian Champagne at the three,

650
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,359
which I presume you would. You're probably pivoting off Kelton

651
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,440
Johnson for more depth. All of a sudden, your starting

652
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,200
lineup could be CP three, Darren Fox, Julian Champagnie sense

653
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,240
and then you have Steffan Castle and a couple of

654
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,160
guys coming off the bench who can who can do stuff?

655
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,519
Speaker 1: I'd be intrigued. Let's talk about another team that I

656
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,359
think is mentioned a ton. There's two that I feel

657
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,559
like we're obligated to mention m Houston. A lot of

658
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,880
this to me feels like they just have the assets

659
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,799
and so this is what they should do, I guess,

660
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,200
but work like what what is young? Like Giannis does

661
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,960
bring another offensive weapon to what they're doing. He's certainly

662
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,119
better than any of just their playoff performers, right Like,

663
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,799
you're gonna trust him more than a jail and Green,

664
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:37,680
You're gonna trust him more than an alper Echion Goon

665
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,759
than a fred van Fleet. But like are you, I

666
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,839
don't know? What does that package begin to look like?

667
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,440
And then to me, I'd still look at them and say,

668
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,160
like they still need to go out and either hope

669
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,680
that if he's not traded, reed Shepherd. Is that dude

670
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,880
or they need to go out and find that dude

671
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,240
who can still be kind of the the outside in

672
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,119
like we saw Giannis loveolp Is playmaking this year without Dame.

673
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,839
So I'm not trying to short shrift Gianness here, but

674
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,960
I still think they would need that top like play

675
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000
like that advantage creator from one of the perimeters.

676
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,079
Speaker 2: No, they would, They would. I mean because presumably a

677
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:16,839
package would be Dylan Brooks, Jabari Smith, Am and Thompson

678
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,640
and like Torry Eastern or something along those lines, where

679
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,240
like you're that's a lot of guys who are heavily

680
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,559
involved in both the defense and offense. That would go

681
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,519
the other way. So you are going to be reliant

682
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,720
on someone coming in and taking over some bald handling

683
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,319
duties just basically taking making decisions with the ball in

684
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,440
their hands. Who is that going to be? Like Gianna's

685
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,680
is going to take some of that. But like if

686
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,160
if you're looking at a frontman Vliet Jalen Green, Giannis

687
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,359
Sance Tokumbo Corp. Which while Shangun is in there as well,

688
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,920
like do you trust the bald handling from a perimeter

689
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,279
creation perspective. I'm not sure.

690
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 1: Would you if you're the Rockets, do you make you

691
00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,200
just kind of outline that package if it's gonna cost you, Amen,

692
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,240
Thompson additional picks. I'd be curiously what they would prefer

693
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,400
to salary to be. It's because they could pick up

694
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160
fred Van Fleet's team option and say, maybe maybe Milwaukee

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,079
doesn't want to deal with just that expiring CR but

696
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,039
maybe they do. Maybe they want that type of to

697
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,599
offload that type of number and in one year they

698
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:16,079
have a bunch of different routes that they could go

699
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:17,599
when it comes to matching salaries.

700
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Right, and you also have I have one note, by

701
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,440
the way, they also have guys who can step into

702
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440
some of those roles like you pivot off I'm and

703
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,799
Thompson Nintari Easton for example, Like I'm not saying it's

704
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,599
one to one, but you can give can whipmore some

705
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,039
of those minutes. You can make sure that Jayson takes

706
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:36,920
back and give him some of those mins, like there

707
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,880
aren't guys who can come in and take some of

708
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,079
those mins, like they're not empty.

709
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: Do you know what's also interesting to me? And maybe

710
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,519
the Bucks wouldn't be interested in this, But in this scenario,

711
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,880
I think he's really good, but just because there would

712
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,400
still be redundancies, and they would be more expensive redundancies. Now,

713
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,640
when you look at what they're both making, are you

714
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,079
trying to include Alpharriin Shangoon in this instead of a

715
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
man Thompson. I guess if you're not getting the kind

716
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,599
of top level offensive creator we're talking about, maybe you

717
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,880
don't want to. But if your plan is to go

718
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,639
out and get that player, or you think it could

719
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,960
be Reach Shepherd or he could be going to Milwaukee's

720
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,280
part of this. I just the player that we want

721
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
the Rockets to get, and it's not even necessarily y honest,

722
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,079
I think they invariably by default come in and they

723
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,639
infringe upon shanng Goon's importance because you're looking for someone

724
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,920
who would deserve to operate with the ball more than him.

725
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a really good point. I wouldn't I

726
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:34,800
wouldn't be a guest.

727
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,519
Speaker 1: I would say if he's not included, this would increase

728
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,320
the likelihood that he is then moved as part of

729
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,840
another deal, is what I would.

730
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: That's that is that is also fair. I mean, at

731
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,559
this look, I don't think there's anyone on the Rockets

732
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,840
where I'm like, no, this guy is just off the

733
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,920
table for Yannis, like everyone's in play. And that's I

734
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,400
say that fully realizing how much I love this iteration

735
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,079
of Houston and the youthful of this roster. But if

736
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:05,320
you want to take that one step up, Jannis or

737
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,599
Devin Booker, that is the type of guy. Kevin Durraine

738
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,840
is not the guy because he might retire a year

739
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,679
and a half from now, Like we don't know. It's

740
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,760
just I don't want to go after you know, the

741
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,039
super old guys.

742
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,039
Speaker 1: They you know, we could say this about one other

743
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,360
team aside from the Rockets. They could just get both

744
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,159
like Yiannis and I guess the Sons don't want to

745
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,440
move Devin Booker. But like in theory, if you don't

746
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,960
include those Sons picks because you have other picks, but

747
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,400
depending like you would just still My point is you

748
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,760
still we talk about san Antonio would have some assets

749
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
left over, but Houston could trade for Joannis and then

750
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,199
probably turn around and go get another All NBA type player.

751
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: That's interesting Yannis and book and like if we we

752
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,960
have to make some assumptions on who's left on this roster,

753
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:50,719
like is Barry Smith?

754
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: I think not that?

755
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: He and Fred?

756
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:58,039
Speaker 1: What's that?

757
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,679
Speaker 2: And Fred I assume right?

758
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,079
Speaker 1: Well think, Well, I guess I was thinking in my head,

759
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,480
you're using Fred as like you're picking up his team

760
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,360
option and sending him to one of these teams as

761
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,360
like a salary anchor.

762
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: So Jalen Green is still a round.

763
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,519
Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's so many different there's so many

764
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,199
different paths they could travel down, like because right, maybe

765
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,599
I think you can get away making one mega trade

766
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:25,679
without including a like one of your younger large salaries

767
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:27,679
like Jalen Green or Outpro and Shangoun is my point.

768
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:29,559
But if you're trying to make two, one of them

769
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,800
is gone, you'd probably prefer it to be Jayen Green.

770
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,159
But I also think if Giannis is coming in, you're

771
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,679
probably more open. And if it's Devin Booker coming in,

772
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,760
does it make sense like Jalen Green is the out one?

773
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,480
But they could There's so many different ways they could

774
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,119
game it is would you prefer that like they declined

775
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:45,840
Fred van Fleet's team option, bring him back on a

776
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,719
smaller number, and you've now traded jail and Green and

777
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,320
Outprin shengg gun as like part of getting Giannis and

778
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,159
book Yeah.

779
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Look, sir, we've just seen two years of positional overlap

780
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,239
in Phoenix with Devin program Bradley Beal. I am not

781
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,440
playing that far game again, no way. And we are

782
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,400
we going into the positional overlap the thing again. Nope,

783
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,519
the whole idea that, oh, well, then book can play

784
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,400
the one because he's a great pick and roll guy.

785
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,519
Let's let's just not. Let's not let's actually unleash him

786
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,199
in the capacity that he was meant to be unleashed,

787
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,039
which is traditionally speaking, a shooting guard.

788
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: So I disagree in the sense. I do think that

789
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,159
I think what happened with the Suns said more about

790
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,000
the lack of adaptability on that too for Braddy Beal's game.

791
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,840
And I think that Jalen Green has not necessarily needed

792
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,440
to be and like we've seen it this year, like, yeah,

793
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,159
they need him to get buckets, but like he is

794
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,599
not needed to monopolize the offense the way that some

795
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,920
of these other higher end guys have. But I am

796
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,840
with you. I want to make it clear if I'm

797
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,559
getting Devin Booker, I probably don't I want Jalen Green

798
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,440
to be a part of that package or whatever. Other man.

799
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you agree, Fred van Leid, Devin Booker can

800
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,880
win more Giannis onto Kombu and who the hell will

801
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,559
their center be? I don't know, but that's a pretty

802
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,079
danger is for him right there.

803
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,119
Speaker 1: So I guess you laid out a package at the beginning.

804
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440
If we're looking at this from Milwaukee's perspective, like, what

805
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,039
is the what is the end game? Intern so like

806
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,719
we know the picks can be you figure out the

807
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
picks later, but is it what are the players you're

808
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,119
do you would you prefer to get Ami Thompson over

809
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Alpern Shangoon just because do you think Thompson has the

810
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,159
higher ceiling? He's just cheaper? Right now? What is like?

811
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,519
What is what is the are you trying to get

812
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,039
Ama Thompson en read Shepherd? Then that means you're probably

813
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,000
not getting as much paid, Like what is what are

814
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,440
you trying to do with Milwaukee? If Houston is the

815
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,119
team to which you're sending you honest.

816
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: Much to your joy reached, Shepherd isn't going anywhere in my.

817
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Perspective, Well, now I have to interrupt again. Does that

818
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,800
mean he's gonna play?

819
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,119
Speaker 2: Yes?

820
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: Okay, then then I'm all for this.

821
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 2: Keep going, all right. So it's a good question. I

822
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,719
have Shin Gun and Thompson rated somewhat similarly, so, but

823
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,280
I will say this, Thompson's contract, first and foremost is

824
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,719
obviously a biggers. Secondarily, I think his trajectory is so

825
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,119
ridiculously high that I could see a scenario where in

826
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,320
the box go yeah, Thompson is the guy we're betting

827
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,159
on as opposed to Shanegon. Shaneguon has the higher floor though,

828
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,760
Like that's the thing we know for sure, like what

829
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,039
his floor is, and we're not sure whether Thompson can

830
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,679
get there. We're hoping because it looks that way, but

831
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,440
we've yet seen it full time. So it comes down to,

832
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,000
like a roll of the dice, what do you believe in?

833
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,320
Do you believe there's a second layer of potential in

834
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,840
Shanegon that he's just yet to reach because he was

835
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,239
playing on a fully stock roster that emphasized defense far

836
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,840
more than offense. Or do you just want to say, look,

837
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,280
I'm and Thompson is clay. He can be molded into

838
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,840
anything we want, and we're rolling the dice on that.

839
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,280
That depends on how your front office look looks at things.

840
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I think I would go the route of who does

841
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,760
Houston seem less valuable in the honest trade? And also

842
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,840
after I think after Yanni's trade is part of that,

843
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,280
because as Milwaukee, I want as many bites at either

844
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,480
the prospect or draft pick apple as I could get.

845
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,880
And I think Shangun is young enough and that contract

846
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,440
is just yeah, he got paid, but it's so innocuous

847
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,559
enough and it's five like they have him for five years.

848
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the contract is good. Oh yeah, No, No,

849
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,119
I'm just saying, in contrast to Thompson, who's like only

850
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:25,599
in year what two of his room.

851
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,159
Speaker 1: Que it's yeah, I'm saying is if you were who

852
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,440
do you think Houston, if they're sending that out, do

853
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,199
you think they view Thompson as the more nomalous asset,

854
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,039
and so if they were sending out Shangun instead, you

855
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,800
might get Yeah, Like, if I'm Milwaukee, I'm playing the well,

856
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,039
if you're saying omen let's just I'll use this as

857
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,719
a an analog and I'm not trying to be procure better.

858
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,280
Let's say Houston views Amen Thompson as the equivalent of

859
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,079
three first round picks and Alprin Shangoun the equivalent of

860
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:53,519
two I'm going to want Alprin Shangun and then an

861
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,400
additional draft pick rather than just Domin if I'm the Bucks.

862
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Like again, personally,

863
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,760
I don't have a preference. It's everything's on the table,

864
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,079
and like, if this is the way they go and

865
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,199
they decide to go top heavy, like the one thing

866
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,760
I would give me some pause is it could feel

867
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,320
a little like the Nets with Durand and Kyrie, Like

868
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,039
it's almost the exact same situation. The Nets were finally

869
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,440
finding their footing then they were went all in on

870
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,800
those two guys. This could be a similar thing. That said,

871
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920
I kind of trust Book and Giannis a little bit

872
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,239
more because of their the current age, And like I

873
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,039
do think Houston might have more like just loaded up

874
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,639
than the Brooklyn have that back then.

875
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: Right, And the other thing was too, is like Brooklyn

876
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,760
still had a lot of stuff left over, and it

877
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,920
was they their cardinals in, wasn't I guess it was Kyrie.

878
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,000
It was Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant, But it also

879
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,199
was they just made a lot of bad decisions after that.

880
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,039
DeAndre Jordan over Jared Allen for one of them. Then

881
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,199
you made that James Harden trade in general, and to

882
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,000
be fair, that doesn't look good in hindsight. But if

883
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,519
there weren't injuries or Kyrie Irvings, pandemic views whatever, the

884
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,119
pandemic itself, like that team looked inevitable, like it looked

885
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,239
like it was going to win a championship, and so

886
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,159
I would trust it more, and like you would, you're

887
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,360
getting two guys rather than like it was once they

888
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,079
got the third. Is when it felt like Brooklyn all

889
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,000
of a sudden was operating on this ultra thin margin

890
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,519
for error.

891
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Right.

892
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: The other team that is going to be mentioned, which

893
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,000
is wild because they're favored to win the title. I

894
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,000
believe the Yoklahoma City Thunder. Where are your this is?

895
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,159
I hate getting into them because we know that the

896
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Rockets are going to lose at something like this is

897
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,119
not a title team and I'm not trying to poop

898
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,159
poo over Rockets fans dreams. Maybe they get past the Warriors.

899
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,000
I don't think they will. I picked the Warriors in seven,

900
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,960
I think, but the Thunder just might win it all.

901
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,239
And so you have to come at this from two perspectives.

902
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,039
If they don't win it all is jianness that it

903
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,400
might even be three perspectives. It's does Giannis get them

904
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
over that hump? Then if they win it all, it's

905
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,440
do you just go get Gianni's freak at tent to

906
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,760
Kupo anyway? And then the third part of all of

907
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,840
that is or I guess it's like an extend the

908
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,239
extension to one of those outcomes, like what are you like,

909
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:10,960
how how high are you going to go with your offer?

910
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,079
Because you have whatever picks you need. But if Milwaukee

911
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,400
says we want j dub or chet Holmegrin, otherwise we're

912
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,000
not making this deal. Are you moving one? Do you

913
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,559
not care which one? Which one? Are you moving? If

914
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,039
you have to move one? Where do you land on

915
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,519
that part in order?

916
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,679
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, And I'm so glad you asked about Jada

917
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,960
because this is the exact conversation I had on the

918
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:40,039
Damies pod. And here's my take on it. Because I'm

919
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,079
absolutely loaded with draft picks as well, and I can

920
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,360
get more if I want to, because I can pivot

921
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,039
off of other guys who are rotation level players who

922
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,599
might not be playing this much. Like let's say I

923
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,280
wanted to get even more draft picks. I could shop

924
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,559
Alex Scruso. I could shop I say it, Joe. I

925
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,880
could shop Aaron Wickins if I wanted to. All Right,

926
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:08,280
So what I do is if Milwaukee says Jayaln Williams,

927
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,760
that's the guy we want, I'm gonna ask Milwaukee, all right,

928
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,679
how many picks will cost us for you guys to

929
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,760
take Jadub off the table? And I'll get an answer,

930
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,480
and I'll say, yes, please, heil call in.

931
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that approach. But if that's not an option.

932
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's not an option, that's a real conversation

933
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,360
because then you get into like the whole thing about

934
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,639
do you want the long term window or do you

935
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,119
just want let's just be real about this the better player,

936
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,079
Like and I'm sorry, look no, but you're still no.

937
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: One should get mad that you said, yes, is a

938
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,960
better player than Jada?

939
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:56,199
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no. But like I I

940
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,800
have seen some pretty wild takes from from Thunder fans,

941
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,559
like in basically saying, look, in twelve months time, that

942
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:07,119
might not be the case. And like, look, I'm high

943
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,119
on Jadub, I'm extremely high on Jadap But like, let's

944
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,599
slow a role a little bit here it's Giannis, Like,

945
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,880
let's relax.

946
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,159
Speaker 1: Do you know where I get so? Well, let's first

947
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,039
start here. Who would you if you had if you're

948
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,840
allowed to choose, are you would you give up Chet

949
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,119
Holmgrin instead of JDub. I'm assuming because you could argue

950
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,039
that comes more important with Giannis there, because he really

951
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,960
got him up against Memphis by the way, Chet was

952
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,039
like permitted. I don't think he's ever fired more threes

953
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,480
for Oklahoma City, but you could argue I think J

954
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,360
Dubb is the better player, and I.

955
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,599
Speaker 2: Think I think so too, But I, like you, I

956
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,320
would prefer I would prefer to keep d around Giannis.

957
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Yes, oh no, I actually would prefer to keep JA Dub.

958
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,800
I'm gonna go with the upside, even though I think

959
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,639
that's the better fit. I'm going because about would Chet

960
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:57,480
be the thunder second best player? I think J Dub

961
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,519
is Like I'm a grant or is really high on JDub,

962
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,360
so I can't high on him as he is, But like,

963
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,079
I love JDub the same.

964
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: So that's the thing, Like if you choose one of

965
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,480
the other, people are gonna be like, oh, so you

966
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,400
hate that guy? Like, no, No, this isn't one of

967
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,719
those like what's your favorite fruit? Apples? Oh, so, why

968
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,800
do you hate oranges? Right, it's one of those situations

969
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,639
like no, I it's it's Sophie's choice. It is what

970
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,320
it is. If you're looking at it like that, just

971
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,079
all right, Jadub or chat, Oh my god, Like that's

972
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:32,920
so tough. Like I agree with you guys that Jadub

973
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,440
is better. But I do think you can replicate him

974
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,679
in the aggregate to quote Moneyball a little bit. I mean,

975
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,800
I think you can.

976
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know that that size and being of

977
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,400
a guard sud I know, I know, okay, okay, recreate

978
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,400
a version of him perhaps, Like I just think it's

979
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,760
easier to find flexible wings. But I know.

980
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,559
Speaker 2: I hear you though, Like I hear you. That's that's

981
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,880
why I wanted to go the first approach, just like

982
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,239
dear Milwaukee, tell us what it is that you want instead,

983
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,679
like how many additional draft picks do you want? Like

984
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,760
that has to be the plan.

985
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,639
Speaker 1: And there's also a part of me that, let's say

986
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,119
the Thunder don't win a title, that I still just

987
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,639
there's a real part of me. It might even be

988
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:19,440
the part that wins out that says, if that's the

989
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,079
breaking point you want Chet or Jadub, then no, I'm

990
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:26,400
gonna say no. But that runs counter to everything we

991
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,400
know about championship windows, is that for every team that

992
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,760
is able to sustain or reorient, and I think Golden

993
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,679
State and Boston are kind of the two primary examples. There,

994
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:41,039
there's everything else. There's you mentioned Brooklyn already, there's the

995
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,320
current state of the Suns right, there's ever the fuck

996
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,199
happened to Philly since twenty twenty one every single year,

997
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:49,000
and that list kind of goes on, and so that

998
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,480
part of me is like, all right, you need to

999
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,280
if it's gonna cost one of these guys and you

1000
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,960
don't win the title this year, Yeah, if you win

1001
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,079
the title, you can just say no, I'm not gonna

1002
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,199
go up, but we just want the title. We're not

1003
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,239
giving up either of these dudes. If you don't, I

1004
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,400
think it has to be a discussion. I don't know

1005
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,079
where I lived, I still might say no if you

1006
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:05,800
won't let us go out and get you as many

1007
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,199
first rounders as you need for the equivalent of Chet

1008
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,639
or j Dub. And look, I actually that's fair. The

1009
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,760
one underrated thing though about what you said. Those guys

1010
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,679
are both extension eligible, and so Milwaukee might be thinking

1011
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,800
at it through that where it's okay, those fun maxes

1012
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,360
are fun, but they might say, yeah, there is a

1013
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,960
number of first round picks you could do to kind

1014
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,960
of offset that. It might make it more likely that

1015
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,559
you're able to just get Yannis while keeping both.

1016
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Of them right, which would be preposterous.

1017
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: Are there any other teams that you think stood out?

1018
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:36,960
I wanted to mention one is sort of a I've

1019
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,039
seen it crop up, but I don't think people understand

1020
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,599
that they would. It would cost them like one of

1021
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,360
their three primary components on the roster, and that's Memphis.

1022
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,719
They don't have like large tradable salaries aside from Jaron Jackson,

1023
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,519
Juice Month, Desmond Bane and John Moran, and so you

1024
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,280
can include They also don't have a bunch of extra

1025
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,159
first round picks. They have all their own except for

1026
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:01,400
the year. Sure, that's like a tough I don't I'd

1027
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
be interested to see what Jannis and Jared Jackson Junior

1028
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,119
can do together. But if I'm the Bucks, Jaren might

1029
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:08,519
be the player that I'm talking because you don't I

1030
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,280
don't think you want I mean, it'd be an interesting

1031
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,119
challenge trade, I guess because you know Damian Miller's injured now.

1032
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,920
But like, do you want a package built around John Morant?

1033
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,519
If you're all the picks some of those like cheap prospects,

1034
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,559
you you would get Zach Edie. I'm assuming, like jaw

1035
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,519
ead and picks for Yiannis? Are you doing that if

1036
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,239
you're Milwaukee.

1037
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:30,559
Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about Memphis in terms of Janni's

1038
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:34,039
destination because just earlier today I just published a piece

1039
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:38,559
over at Yahoo about basically breaking them up or well

1040
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,559
at least training Will Rant and then frankly not giving

1041
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,360
that kind of a contract to Jaron Jackson Junior that

1042
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,360
everyone's envisioning because I'm not sure I'm there. Uh what

1043
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,800
does that do? Like I'm trying to think of a

1044
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,039
way where like we can collect a roster, gather a

1045
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,199
roster in Memphis that makes sense for Gianni to go there.

1046
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,199
Like I agree that if there is a front court

1047
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,199
partner that would make sense, it's Jaron Jackson Junior and

1048
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:13,679
Giannis like those two just yeah, but it would take

1049
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,719
morand like what is the is your primary guard Desmond Baine?

1050
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:22,599
Speaker 1: It would have I mean you have are if you're

1051
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:23,960
keeping Scotti Pippen Jr.

1052
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Scotty is looking good, so Scottie.

1053
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: Bain maybe Chris Paul signs there.

1054
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,519
Speaker 2: M hmm. I don't know, man. I like the first

1055
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,039
I like the first couple of traits instead a lot

1056
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:41,079
better the first three.

1057
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: This one, I'm not gonna lie. I probably do it

1058
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,039
if I'm Memphis. I don't Milwaukee's where I give Paul

1059
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:48,119
strip because I don't know what the end game becomes

1060
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:51,800
with John Eadie and then like damons.

1061
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: No I do it. If I'm Memphis. I'm just asking,

1062
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:58,119
like what's what's the long term motivation or what's the

1063
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:05,360
sure But like, can they really surround him? Well, maybe

1064
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,559
they can still they still have sec climens who can

1065
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,960
pick up like gold to the end of the second

1066
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,679
round if he wants to. It's just I think that

1067
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,800
I think Giannis is age just pressing a little bit

1068
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,840
on that one. Like if Gianni's was twenty seven and

1069
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,320
you gave Memphis like two years of runway for it,

1070
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,679
all right, you know what I'm all in. But it

1071
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,119
feels like it's a now situation for him. Can Memphis

1072
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:29,840
a comedy that I don't.

1073
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:34,599
Speaker 1: Know ah, I think they. I mean they're not. What

1074
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,519
you have to give credit to Milwaukee for is they've

1075
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,639
had misses, like they've generally paid, and they did duck

1076
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,960
the second Apron this year. I get it, like members

1077
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,880
that Memphis hasn't gone to that extent even where it's oh,

1078
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,519
are they gonna duck the second April, No, it's oh,

1079
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:49,280
they're just gonna duckt the tax. So that's a really

1080
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480
fair question. You're not in love with the Memphis idea? No,

1081
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,760
what are What are some other teams that you think

1082
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,760
need to be mentioned here?

1083
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: I see, I think those are the primary ones we

1084
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,159
can add. And those teams that are just kind of

1085
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,400
stuck in nowhere nowhere territory, but like if they give

1086
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,400
up the vast majority of their you know, they're good

1087
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,760
pieces on a roster, even training for Giannis, there's a

1088
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,119
pretty good chance they're gonna get stuck again, just in

1089
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:18,000
a different way. So it has to be those teams

1090
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:23,239
that have assets to burn and are close enough to

1091
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:23,880
make a run.

1092
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,039
Speaker 1: So let me throw a couple out at us candidates,

1093
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,000
all right. I do think there's probably Lakers fans that

1094
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:30,679
think that they could get Yannis now because of what

1095
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,840
happened with the Lucas stuff. But it's not gonna be

1096
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,920
the Lakers. You think Atlanta. They they're gonna have a

1097
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,079
new like front office figurehead there. But if they decide

1098
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,639
they want to keep Trey Young, they already don't have

1099
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:44,039
their own picks moving for the next this year twenty

1100
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,519
six and twenty seven. They just decided, well, we're gonna

1101
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:48,679
set the rest of those on fire to repair Yiannis

1102
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,000
and Trey Young. And look they have if you're putting

1103
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:57,440
Jon Johnson on the table, yep, super insure. I don't

1104
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,159
know that might be a and you do have some

1105
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,000
imminent first where we don't know if the King's pick

1106
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,880
is going to technically convey this year, but like they

1107
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,320
could build a real package for Giannis. I think if

1108
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:07,920
they wanted to.

1109
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 2: That's one of those teams where I was thinking about that, like,

1110
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,159
what is a team that's sort of stuck. That's Atlanta.

1111
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:20,000
But I do think there's salary structure specifically is a

1112
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,559
major asset to them. I mean, look, they Clint Capella

1113
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,679
is coming off the books, karsal Verte is coming off

1114
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:27,480
the books. You might want to retain him, especially if

1115
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,519
we get Yannis, but preferably at a lower price point.

1116
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,079
You can always move on from Yeko Kongbu like you

1117
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,559
can also pivot off of Terrence Man if you want to.

1118
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,719
Not saying that those two guys don't have a spot there,

1119
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,639
but perhaps you need to optimize fit if you get

1120
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,840
Giannis in there. Those two guys are tradable. You can

1121
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,320
also pivot off George Nieing if you want to. Personally,

1122
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,320
I would probably keep him there just because of the

1123
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,119
spacing that he provides you. But no, there are some

1124
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,480
interesting parts here in play that might actually elevate them

1125
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,840
a fair bit. So that might be the one team

1126
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,000
currently stuck in the middle of nowhere that might see

1127
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,119
themselves slither out of that by making that trade.

1128
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: Yes, this team is not stuck in the middle of nowhere,

1129
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,199
but I feel like they've been mentioned with Giannis for years.

1130
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,320
Is there a pathway to Golden State building a real offer?

1131
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,519
They have some picks that could give up their odds.

1132
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it Jimmy. Anybody is Jimmy. The guy

1133
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,719
that goes out has to be right.

1134
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: I think you're yeah, And in that situation, I'm wondering

1135
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,199
it's and he's going to a third team that is

1136
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,679
sending stuff to Milwaukee because Milwaukee's not gonna want Butler.

1137
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,079
I think you might be able to get there. It'd

1138
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,079
be tight if it's a cominga sign in trade and

1139
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,559
you're also trading Draymond. But I don't know, are you

1140
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,360
ready to do that, because honestly, i'd prefer Yannis, Jimmy, Butler,

1141
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,639
Steph than Draymond Yiannis, Steph.

1142
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go same same, but like you can't.

1143
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,599
Speaker 1: Probably I think Jimmy has more standalone value than Draymond.

1144
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,400
That Drake Draymond certainly has more emotional value to the

1145
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,679
Warriors than just right, even if.

1146
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: You wanted to move Draymond instead, you'd be looking at

1147
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,719
three guys being earning in like the mid fifties that

1148
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,280
is top heavy as shit.

1149
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: That is super top heavy. So it would have to

1150
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,079
be Butler going to team and it's not gonna be Phoenix.

1151
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,960
They don't have the assets to like facilitate that for anyone.

1152
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,199
I just don't they have real stuff to trade. But like,

1153
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,719
I don't think they don't have like Yannis level assets,

1154
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,360
because this is going to be even if they're trying

1155
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,760
to accommodate where Yannis wants to go. This is going

1156
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,920
to be a bidding war.

1157
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: If they can turn in Butler. Like, now, wait a second,

1158
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,559
they're because what they're gonna use the Butler trade or

1159
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,199
the Butler contract to get honest?

1160
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: Like, who is the team that wants to give up

1161
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,800
a bunch of stuff for Jimmy Butler while also helping

1162
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,840
another team require you? Honest?

1163
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: No, I was, I was sort of that's that is Dallas, Dallas,

1164
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,159
Jimmy Butler, the Bulls. The Bulls got looped into the

1165
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,199
dr and Fox trade because we just need to dump

1166
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,760
assets on you. And they were like, oh cool, thanks,

1167
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:17,760
thanks for thinking of us. No, I was actually thinking

1168
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,199
of someone something else here, because if you get Giannis

1169
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:23,559
in there, presumably you want to pivot away from Draymond, right,

1170
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,440
Like that's I would assume, so like you, that's when

1171
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,519
you can make him available. And and what what my

1172
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,920
thinking here is if you can turn Butler and stuff

1173
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,840
into Gianni's and you can turn Draymond and stuff into

1174
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,719
sack Lavine, I would not hate that.

1175
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,559
Speaker 1: I just I think I probably agree with you, But

1176
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,159
then you still kind of need Giannis. Isn't his best

1177
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,400
at the five, Draymond can be his best.

1178
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's where it is. I just I

1179
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,360
think that team needs more floor spacing. I need. I

1180
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,159
think that team will just you kind of like imagine

1181
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,719
if it's Levine Steph in the back court and then

1182
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,199
Gianna's just sort of handling everything else. Offensively speaking, That's

1183
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,519
that's tough. Like that is extremely tough to guard.

1184
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,519
Speaker 1: I want to mention a couple other teams. Miami is

1185
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,360
just gonna be mentioned, But what is the You could

1186
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,599
throw khalil Ware in there? Okay, fine, but unless you're

1187
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,920
including Bam, you can only trade two outright first round

1188
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,679
picks this summer. And I know Tyler Hero's value is better,

1189
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:28,320
but Tyler Hero, Hanway Hawk is khalil Ware in two

1190
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,400
first round picks and swaps? And I don't, well, one,

1191
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,079
are they even throwing all that on the table because

1192
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,159
what's left after that?

1193
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:37,639
Speaker 2: Would Milwaukee even accept that?

1194
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,199
Speaker 1: Would right?

1195
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:40,039
Speaker 2: And that's what are the teams suddenly competed?

1196
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so they're a tough one and something I can't

1197
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,760
remember where I saw the report. This was earlier in

1198
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,800
the year, but there was speculation that the Knicks acquired

1199
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Karl Anthony Towns to make it easier to pull off

1200
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,199
a Janna's attemt Tokupo trade. Now, if you if you

1201
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,920
look at that through the prism of saying Karl Anthony

1202
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,199
Towns has more value than Julius and Dante DiVincenzo and

1203
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:05,039
that Detroit pick which ended up being number seventeen. Sure,

1204
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:07,599
I think that's fair to say. I just don't. I'm like,

1205
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,559
I don't even know what That package has a ton

1206
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:13,639
of moving parts. There's like three and four and eight

1207
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,440
teams involved, and Giannis has to really push to go

1208
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,480
to New York. I didn't see that logic, although Jannis

1209
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
and Jalen Brunson would be fun as hell. And then

1210
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,559
if I'm the Knicks, like I think most teams regard,

1211
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:28,320
if you're trying to get picks to send to Milwaukee

1212
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,320
ors Milwaukee just want players, They're probably being insistent on

1213
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,840
getting ogn Andobi over mckel bridges. At this point, I

1214
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,800
don't know, and I would prefer to pair Og with

1215
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,639
Jannison Brunson. And even then, sure we talk about a

1216
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:44,039
Knicks team doesn't take enough threes, Johannis coming in and

1217
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:47,639
you're losing Karl Anthony town To it's I was just fascinated.

1218
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:49,679
I couldn't bring myself to figure out the logic behind

1219
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:51,440
how does a Karl Anthony trade make it easier?

1220
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: Aside from well, don't don't move him. Don't move him

1221
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,360
because he is a three point threat. Yeah, like ANNOPI

1222
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,039
Mitchell Robinson, that probably works financially.

1223
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: And then what what like that is getting you there?

1224
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,239
Speaker 2: That's where that's what that look. There's a reason I

1225
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,239
brought up saying that somebody else my first one, because

1226
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,880
they have picks like that has to be one of

1227
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,440
the major demands from Milwaukee, I have to assume.

1228
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: So I would tell you would hope if it's not.

1229
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:23,239
I have some questions about the process. Same same, Uh,

1230
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:26,880
Are there any what about I think can Denver do anything?

1231
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,159
Speaker 2: That's the fun one, right, that's the fun one, because

1232
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:37,079
you want that to be like Michael Porter Junior and something.

1233
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: They can trade one first round pick. I think there's

1234
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,079
they have some swaps they could give up in there.

1235
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,760
That's I mean. But you're also you're including if they

1236
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,599
asked for it, you're including Christian Brown and or Peyton Watson, Right, yeah,

1237
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,760
Jane Watson might as well go. I don't really see

1238
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,760
a pathway to him and Yan is playing together, right,

1239
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,719
But even do they have the financial stomach for us.

1240
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:03,199
You're gonna pay Yiannis, Gordon, Jokic and Murray Yah make

1241
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,800
more than MPJ, that's all like, that's you might be

1242
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,159
able to offset that money next year, but moving forward

1243
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:09,039
that's going to be pricey.

1244
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,159
Speaker 2: I think right now they absolutely have the stomach forward.

1245
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,480
For one reason, they are being slaughtered in the media

1246
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,800
for never having given Nikola jokicch an All Star like

1247
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,280
that is all everyone is talking about. This would send

1248
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,079
a message. And look, if there's a guy worth his contract,

1249
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,360
it's also yanis onder the Gombo so I honestly, I

1250
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,280
don't think NBA team's mind playing paying a ton of

1251
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,119
money as long as they get production in return. That's

1252
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:38,360
obviously outweighing, you know, the compensation level. You don't have

1253
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,000
to worry about that with Jokic or Yannis or Luka

1254
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:44,239
that some of you know, some of those guys, if

1255
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,800
you pair them, it becomes a question, right, where are

1256
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,880
you going to get the same production out of this guy?

1257
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,760
Like I Shanna's going to trickle down from thirty and

1258
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:58,719
twelve and six to twenty three nine and four. Is

1259
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,199
that worth it? Like, that's some teams have that line

1260
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:04,719
of thought, right, I don't think so personally, because he'll

1261
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,159
be playing with Jokic. If anything, I see a scoring go.

1262
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:12,239
Speaker 1: Up at that point, though, it's can you keep Aaron

1263
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,440
like functionally? And to the Nuggets' credit, I don't mean

1264
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,039
to gloss over this. They've paid players. It's they've kind

1265
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:19,679
of they more so cheap out if it comes to

1266
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,840
keeping front office executives. So I don't I'm with you

1267
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,639
that they would pay it. But Aaron Gordon and Giannis

1268
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,679
on the same team where Yokic is your center, I'd

1269
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:30,639
be I'd be fascinated. But like someone needs to take

1270
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:33,079
threes there, so you're probably looking at moving. If you're

1271
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,559
moving MPG, you're then moving Aaron Gordon to get shooting.

1272
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,079
I'm or at least trying to write.

1273
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: I would have traded Gordon over Porter, but the contract

1274
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,280
is just not big enough. Not right now.

1275
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: Do you think that Gordon has more even more? Does

1276
01:01:48,519 --> 01:01:50,079
he even have more trade value than MPJ?

1277
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.

1278
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,719
Speaker 1: I think You're probably right. Maybe the Bucks would value

1279
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:56,800
the stability of just having him under contract, but they'd

1280
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,280
also probably be leery of what we've seen what this

1281
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,119
guy looks like with out Nikola jokicic and we certainly

1282
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,400
do not have Nicola Jokic right so, And.

1283
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:08,239
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that's part of the calculus for a

1284
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:11,239
lot of teams dealing with Denver, Like they're looking at

1285
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,239
those guys and go, like, again, Jamal Murray. We've talked

1286
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,360
about this on this podcast before, Like, are we sure

1287
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,159
that any team that wants to trade for Jamal Murray

1288
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,119
is thinking, oh, yeah, he'll be better without Jokic? Like,

1289
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,639
is anyone thinking that? I doubt it.

1290
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,239
Speaker 1: No, are there any like Super dark Horse or fun

1291
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,039
teams you want to throw out there that we haven't

1292
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:36,800
mentioned yet? No, I don't think they would do it.

1293
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,719
Detroit would be fun, so they're himing.

1294
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: Trod would be fun. But but like again, what's the package?

1295
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,000
Do they have enough? Like what makes sense?

1296
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,679
Speaker 1: I mean between I'm not saying you include all these guys,

1297
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,920
but they have all their own picks j and IVYSR. Thompson,

1298
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,039
Ron Holland there's I think they could put together a

1299
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:55,760
real offer.

1300
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,719
Speaker 2: Cadan Giannis would be fun And if that's the nucleus

1301
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:05,480
you can build around that, those guys you probably extend

1302
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,639
his window a little bit gianness by pairing him with

1303
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:10,559
a younger secondary star as well.

1304
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't interesting kind of the like maniacal competitor that

1305
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,400
might think in those terms too. Mm hmm, maybe not.

1306
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,840
Maybe he wants to go to a Golden State or

1307
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,679
a Lakers or in New York where he's just fine,

1308
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,360
like oh, Houston or okay, see San Antonio like they have,

1309
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,559
but Wenby would be him thinking like that, where it's

1310
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,960
San Antonio is not an undesirable market, but players traditionally

1311
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,920
aren't trying to force their way there necessarily. But then

1312
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,360
the Iron Fox did because Whenby exists, and what have

1313
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,400
we heard everyone say on and off the record that

1314
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,159
he's not gonna He's not gonna be the last player

1315
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:41,760
to do that.

1316
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:51,039
Speaker 2: Right, right? Someone DM me after the damish episode bringing

1317
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:55,719
up the Bulls with through the the Spectrum of Buslas,

1318
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,639
and I was like, that's just not enough because while

1319
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,360
he's have to send something else to Chicago and right,

1320
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,559
exactly right, and but and then I started like work

1321
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,039
shopping it and that's kind of why I came up

1322
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:10,880
with the with the whole thing where it's so tough

1323
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,360
for like these teams that are stuck to go anywhere.

1324
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,400
Like let's even say, no, I'm just gonna use the bulls.

1325
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,000
And this is an example. Let's say they removed or

1326
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:23,400
not well traded out all of their best players and

1327
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:25,599
all the draft picks that they own, all their draft picks,

1328
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,119
all of all of the draft picks. Where the hell

1329
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:30,679
does that leave them? Right back at the beginning, Like,

1330
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,519
it's those teams that I'm really fearful it's going to

1331
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:38,360
like make a strong play on Giannis and then without

1332
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,079
realizing they just kind of biting their own tails.

1333
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that Danny Ainge would

1334
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,119
just they have all these picks that he just might

1335
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:48,320
be I don't know who they're trying, like Perry Giannis

1336
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,000
with Lowry market it would be a lot of fun.

1337
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1338
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: And if let's say, are they one of the teams

1339
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,039
that if they won the lottery they could build a

1340
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,440
package for Giannis without including that Cooper Flag pick, because

1341
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,760
the it's like Jannis and Lowry and Cooper Flag that's

1342
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,119
the team.

1343
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Can we just acknowledge how odd it be

1344
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,800
if he ended up in Utah of all places like that?

1345
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:12,480
I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun.

1346
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:17,519
Speaker 1: But like what, I favor it when, Like I loved

1347
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:19,840
it when Cleveland came out of the woodwork and got

1348
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,559
Donovan Mitchell. I loved that because I want it. First

1349
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:24,239
of all, I want to see those teams take risks

1350
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,800
and then be rewarded for it, like Donovan Mitchell resigning

1351
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,320
in Cleveland.

1352
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: That's true, That is true.

1353
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:33,039
Speaker 1: Yes, I just the Jazz don't The Jazz don't have

1354
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:36,800
like the guy yet. And Yannis wherever he goes, that

1355
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,039
team is already gonna have at least one of the guys.

1356
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:42,400
Even if they view Jannis as the best of the guys.

1357
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I still view Laurius a four. I know

1358
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,400
he's playing the three a lot. I still think he's

1359
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,599
best at the four. John Collins is exclusively a four.

1360
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:53,119
So like I, if you get Yiannis.

1361
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,159
Speaker 1: There, healthy Taylor Hendrix, Jannis and Lowry, they can all

1362
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:56,599
play together.

1363
01:05:57,519 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 2: You know, I am glad you bring up Taylor Hendricks

1364
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,719
also a four. They've got a lot of forest there.

1365
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:05,199
Kyle Philipowski's a four.

1366
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Pill you talk about pure fours, Kyle Philipowski might

1367
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,159
be the purest for.

1368
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:15,159
Speaker 2: Right, Like they have so many power forwards coming through

1369
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,480
their ass right now, It's like how how the hell?

1370
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,559
Like it has to come with a plan, Like if

1371
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,039
you get it has to come with the plan, Like

1372
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:25,880
how do we actually round out this roster?

1373
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: Boston wouldn't look at Yiannis, right, they would their second apron.

1374
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,800
But like, what if it was just they're trying to

1375
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,559
simultaneously lop off payroll without I guess getting too much.

1376
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:40,079
More Like if it's Jaalen Brown and Porzingis as the

1377
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:42,880
baseline and they're gonna take back less money, then oh

1378
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,280
they can't aggregate. But if they finish under the second apron,

1379
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,719
they could, right, just that's super I mean they could

1380
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,159
in the off season, you could certainly work it. So

1381
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,880
Giannis and Jalen are like basically at the same salary level,

1382
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,079
So you'd basically be looking at the difference between Porzingis's

1383
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:57,719
salary and you have to shed whatever it is that

1384
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,079
gets you under the second apron without Horford getting older,

1385
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,840
the christaps porzingis injury risk, and I wonder if like

1386
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:07,280
you could play Gianness without Horford just bring him back,

1387
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,000
and then they would use Jannis at the five. I

1388
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,119
have no doubt about that.

1389
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: Right I mean, yeah, if you do, you want to

1390
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,480
give Boston a stranglehold on the league for three years.

1391
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: A stranglehold would be can they game it where it's

1392
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:25,880
Porzingis Andrew Holliday and they get Joannison figures they finished

1393
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:26,719
beneath the second April.

1394
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: I also have a double standard there, because let's let's

1395
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,599
face it, if he goes to OKC, that's probably the

1396
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:32,039
same thing.

1397
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying. I think we've covered all the Is

1398
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:39,599
there a team that if they won the lottery, you'd

1399
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:42,000
want to see them dangle the number one pick for

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your honest.

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: Oh right, let's see, let's go to the tangathon.

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01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:48,599
Speaker 1: Why is it Portland?

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01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun. That could be fun with Denny there,

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01:07:54,280 --> 01:08:00,480
with Scoot there, But that'd be fun. Yeah, you'll pivot

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01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,199
off Jeremy Grant immediately finally have an excuse for it.

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01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,440
You still have Simons, You'll have the role player shade

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,559
and Sharp is still there. That's fun. I like that one.

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01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:12,239
That's not bad.

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01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: But they feel like a dark horse. But I don't

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01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,439
know if that's the right move for where they are.

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01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:20,119
Speaker 2: Here's a fun one.

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,399
Speaker 1: Oh, I know I know the team. You're gonna say

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01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:23,640
it because I was gonna bring them up next. I

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,319
bet you I can guess. Yeah, all right, the rators

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01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:35,319
no oh, what is it Lebron? Look just Lebron for

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,600
just for no, Well, we'll figure it in.

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01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 2: Like look, Rob Bolingka, Like I know that basically Clutch

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,720
owns the Lakers at this point, but like he did

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,279
move ad and that came without warning, right.

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: Right, But Lebron has a no trade clause, all right,

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:55,199
he does.

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01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:58,079
Speaker 2: I keep forgetting like for some reason, I still have

1423
01:08:58,159 --> 01:08:59,960
it stuck in my head that Bradley Beal is the

1424
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:01,880
only when the league who does that? Who has that?

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01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: All right?

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01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,399
Speaker 2: Fair enough?

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01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,039
Speaker 1: And I guess if there's a I mean, if Milwaukee

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01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:06,760
just wants to put butts in seats and Lebron is

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,199
wanting to come to Milwaukee, but if you could send

1430
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,359
Lebron to they're running into It's Golden State, would be

1431
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:12,800
the team that he probably wants to go to. Are

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01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,920
they sending enough stuff to Milwaukee to make wait?

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01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,119
Speaker 2: Or New York? He's always had his eye on New

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01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:17,800
York as well.

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,399
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie after watching these Knicks and how

1436
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,600
difficult they make life on the offensive end at times

1437
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,000
for offensives in the top five I'd favor I probably do.

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01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 2: I wonder if you could actually go to Lebron and say, look,

1439
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:38,880
we need to talk. You probably can't. Uh, look, we'll

1440
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,960
trade Browny alongside you. Don't worry, You'll stay together. That's

1441
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,399
a promise. No, Milwaukee wouldn't do it. Milwaukee wouldn't do it. Like,

1442
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:48,600
what's their incentive?

1443
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,359
Speaker 1: Would Dallas dangle Anthony Davis for honest or are they

1444
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,159
trying like all the picks with Derek Lively and salary?

1445
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: No? But why would you do that. I'm trying to

1446
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,439
get I'm trying to get Giannis in with a yar here.

1447
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,439
I'm trying to get Giannis along with Luca. Come on,

1448
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,000
help me out.

1449
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: That'd be fun. It's not possible, I know. Is that

1450
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,279
a real offer? Though? Dallas, Derek Lively, all the picks

1451
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,520
they could offer, and then you're step laddering your way

1452
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:18,600
there with salaries. Probably not a d Ad and Giannis

1453
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,800
would be a defensive terror Ad becomes a vive again,

1454
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,279
so he probably what's the trade?

1455
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be pissed. So that's not gonna work

1456
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,520
out for anyone. You still have Kyrie, but he's going to.

1457
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,199
Speaker 1: Be back like mid next year, might be able to

1458
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,079
see the vision. I think in that circumstance, look like.

1459
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,359
Speaker 2: We still don't know what state he's going to be in. Kyrie,

1460
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:42,000
I mean, that's risky. I don't like it.

1461
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:45,239
Speaker 1: That feels very I mean, especially because they were coming

1462
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:47,680
off Kevin Durant a case, is coming off an injury.

1463
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,279
That feels very Brooklyn Nets esque, like it's a different

1464
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,199
side of the floor where it gets interesting. But it's okay.

1465
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:56,640
These dudes are a little bit older, and Kyrie's obviously

1466
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,560
older I think than anyone on Brooklyn was at the time.

1467
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:04,199
But I it wouldn't I mean, I mean, that's probably

1468
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,439
not even one of like the top five offers that

1469
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,199
would be on the table. I guess Derek why and

1470
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:09,399
all the picks, so it doesn't really matter.

1471
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,399
Speaker 2: Again, I keep going back to the Spurs package.

1472
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that. We don't need to

1473
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:14,920
go back.

1474
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,359
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know, I keep going back to that

1475
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,479
being the best one and that's the one you have

1476
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:20,239
to beat.

1477
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: I think that, okay, See or Houston are the only

1478
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,680
teams that could beat it. But I think I mentioned

1479
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,359
them before. A team that could beat it. It'd probably

1480
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:29,159
be prided on where they end up in the lottery.

1481
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:30,079
But Toronto, right.

1482
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,039
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into Toronto. You brought them

1483
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:33,800
up a couple of times.

1484
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 1: I think it's if they won the lottery, could they

1485
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,920
talk themselves into a right, here's this pick, we could

1486
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,000
move other picks. There's some salaries like just between R J. Brenton,

1487
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,119
Ingram could be part of the magic salary going out.

1488
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,560
They've already kind of said fuck the three point volume

1489
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,399
or floor spacing aspect of this. When you look at

1490
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,720
kind of how their core is built right now, they

1491
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,000
just have a ton. They have a ton of digestible salaries.

1492
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,800
I would say.

1493
01:11:57,079 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: Instead of Inkram because of the floor spacing. Remember what

1494
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,279
Scottie Barnes gives you, Giannis is gonna take a lot

1495
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:10,880
out of Like the all aroundlessness of Scottie Barnes is

1496
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,000
not gonna be as big of an asset alongside Giannis.

1497
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,159
He's gonna stand there a fair fairly significant amount of

1498
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:23,359
time with just his thumb firmly placed up his backside.

1499
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,159
Speaker 1: I think if you had the number one pick, you

1500
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,159
could maybe get away with Cooper flag and picks and

1501
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:31,520
you're keeping Ingram and Barnes to pair with Giannis and

1502
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,239
you're using the there's the Yaka Peertl salary, there's the

1503
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:37,399
Archie Barrett salary, there's a manual quickly, but I think

1504
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,000
he becomes super critical if you're bringing in Gianness. So

1505
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:42,800
there would be ways for them to game in. We know,

1506
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,079
like miss I's kind of had his eye, like at

1507
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,920
least his side eye on Giannis for a while. M hm.

1508
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:50,199
I don't hate the Gianni's Barnes pairing. I think that

1509
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:52,159
Barnes could turn into like a better spot up shooter.

1510
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:53,359
We've seen a little bit of it.

1511
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,399
Speaker 2: Have we seen enough?

1512
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: You make the bet on talent figuring that one out

1513
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,319
that would just be that would be one of the

1514
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,680
more fascinating ones. Whe I wouldn't feel in me good

1515
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,079
about him arriving there, but I wouldn't I wouldn't hate

1516
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,199
it if they did it. Anything else you want to

1517
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:07,640
mention before we get out of here.

1518
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: No, no, I I'm I think we went through half

1519
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,920
the league, if not more, on this one, and I'm

1520
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,880
still very much sold on my personal trade package. Nothing

1521
01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:19,800
that has been said has convinced me of otherwise.

1522
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,199
Speaker 1: Sorry you nothing but humble why so why it's weird

1523
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,960
to talk about in Houston and Okay see terms because

1524
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,479
they're still in the playoffs. I do think if one

1525
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,880
of those teams wanted Giannis, they would just be in

1526
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,159
a position to go get Jannis over San Antonio. That's my.

1527
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: That's maybe maybe i'm as you have they have.

1528
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: I think any of the young players, the top end

1529
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,399
young players the Spurs, even if they're putting Steph Castle

1530
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,880
on the table, you're not beating shan Gun or Aman

1531
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,800
Thoms And I'd argue they're not even beating the Jabari

1532
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,039
Smith junior if he's on the table, and if Okay

1533
01:13:54,079 --> 01:13:55,039
he's willing to part with.

1534
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,079
Speaker 2: Far Okay SE's the one, like Okay sees the one

1535
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:01,319
that's That's the one where I agree they can go

1536
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:03,199
in and get it. That's where it comes down to.

1537
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:05,560
Do they want to give up Jadab? Like, yes, if

1538
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,840
they want to give up Jadab and all the picks,

1539
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,840
you're absolutely right, that's the one to beat h that

1540
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,319
can't be beaten. That's the leader. The Rockets one I'm

1541
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:18,399
just not so sure of. I still have a lot

1542
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,159
of questions about their individual skill set as players. A

1543
01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:23,720
lot of these guys. This feels like a lot of

1544
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,239
them have major warts. I do think the same can

1545
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,079
be said off the Spurs players going out, but the

1546
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:32,800
Picks package is pretty significant. And also I'm baking in

1547
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:35,600
that I assume it's not going to be one of

1548
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,800
those cold ass traits where Giannis has no idea where

1549
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,319
he's going. I have to assume it's going to be

1550
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:43,760
a conversation and I'm pretty certain if you're asking Gianis,

1551
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,680
do you want to go to Houston or San Antonio,

1552
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:47,520
He's going to go to the Big Fellow.

1553
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: We'll be interesting to see all plays out. You want

1554
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,199
to tell our subscribers or they can find.

1555
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:55,039
Speaker 2: You in all the work that you do, Yes, sir,

1556
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:57,479
you can find me over at Blue Sky, at MSJ

1557
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,079
and PA, where I share links to the Danish Pods,

1558
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:03,920
my work with Yah Foods, the workout at Forbes and

1559
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:07,359
and so on so and also of course used to

1560
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,079
give the podcast or listen so also.

1561
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: Until next time and as always leaved with chat under

1562
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,039
one the only the indelible Frank l. Kina