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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back. Mission accepted. I love and astore you,
Speaker 2: and you know that you are the most stand upon
Speaker 2: listeners and viewers. I love it if you are watching,
Speaker 2: you are seeing that we have more than just myself
Speaker 2: today and more than just a rock star guest. We
Speaker 2: have a plethora of gorgeous beautiful authors with us today,
Speaker 2: and thank you so much for being so excited about
Speaker 2: the group shows that we're doing. I know that you're
Speaker 2: getting like, you know, it's kind of like ten X.
Speaker 2: Are we in the world of two axes and five
Speaker 2: axes and ten X is your business? So you get
Speaker 2: to come on to mission accepted and ten X today
Speaker 2: you're going to three ax your experience listening to these
Speaker 2: incredible entrepreneurs. And let's talk about that, because you know,
Speaker 2: we have people that come on for group podcasts, or
Speaker 2: we think about actors, we think about authors, we think
Speaker 2: about musicians, we think about poets, we think about people
Speaker 2: in the creative world, and we don't really think of
Speaker 2: them as entrepreneurs. Right. It's like when you meet an author,
Speaker 2: you don't go, oh, you own your own business. You
Speaker 2: don't say that, or an artist you don't say Now,
Speaker 2: you know, conceptually because we've heard this thing around starving artists, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's going to carry through every
Speaker 2: generation or something. Maybe then you know it'll change, but
Speaker 2: you know that they are kind of self funding, but
Speaker 2: you don't really see them as entrepreneurs, right that have
Speaker 2: to do marketing and have accountants and do all the
Speaker 2: things as you see someone like in business entrepreneuring going
Speaker 2: for it, opening a bakery. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's like that's an entrepreneur. But there's really no difference
Speaker 2: other than geography. And so it's really interesting when you
Speaker 2: get to talk to you know, I'm talking to women today.
Speaker 2: So these women that are on path and on you know,
Speaker 2: passion for doing something that may be solo, what they
Speaker 2: do could be a part of what they do. People
Speaker 2: to write books for personal reasons, people write books for
Speaker 2: business reasons. I think it's one of the probably the
Speaker 2: most powerful extended business cards somebody can do. But it
Speaker 2: really depends and it starts with why you want to
Speaker 2: be an author and what does that look like? And
Speaker 2: so we're going to dive a little deep intoday because
Speaker 2: you might be thinking about becoming an author. You might
Speaker 2: be someone who's done a solo project but don't know
Speaker 2: what that looks like when you do it collaborate with
Speaker 2: fifteen or eighteen or twenty five or two hundred other women,
Speaker 2: what does that look like? What's that experience like? Or
Speaker 2: vice versa where you may have spent a world doing
Speaker 2: collaborative books and you're like, I know there's my book
Speaker 2: inside me that I need to do. And then sometimes
Speaker 2: like a couple of ladies that are joining us today,
Speaker 2: that date got pushed pretty quickly because the opportunity triggered that.
Speaker 2: Why so I would like to introduce you to our
Speaker 2: Author's Day. We have Mss Kathy Holt, we have Leslie Kapps,
Speaker 2: and we have Carol Koppleman, and we're going to just
Speaker 2: kind of do a little conversation and join in, join in.
Speaker 2: You are going to be so inspired today. You are
Speaker 2: going to be an inspired inspired audience. Kathy, let's start
Speaker 2: a little bit with you, if you'd like to say
Speaker 2: hello and talk to people about what it is that
Speaker 2: you're like you. I know that you're in process. Maybe
Speaker 2: share with us where you're at in terms of your
Speaker 2: book production right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, Thanks Deben, Thanks for bringing us all together and
Speaker 3: giving us this opportunity. Just briefly, I probably have been
Speaker 3: a writer most of my life. I wrote my first
Speaker 3: short story when I was five years old and recovering
Speaker 3: from a ton selectomy and I had to tell my story.
Speaker 3: My first job was as a medical writer and a
Speaker 3: science writer, and I wrote many helped ghost write some
Speaker 3: medical books. Medical and wrote some medical journal articles and
Speaker 3: then magazine articles, and then I worked my way into
Speaker 3: leadership and women, helping women develop their leadership capacities and skills.
Speaker 3: And I just have this burning need to share wisdom
Speaker 3: information I've gathered so that women maybe don't have to
Speaker 3: make the same mistakes I did or have, you know,
Speaker 3: to make their path easier when they want to be leaders.
Speaker 3: And so that's why I'm writing my solo book now.
Speaker 2: Wow, fantastic, Thank you so much for sharing. And what
Speaker 2: about you, Leslie.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: I'm honored to be and this Smorgas board of authors, right,
Speaker 5: and I was listening to Kathy's story and it made
Speaker 5: me think that I started writing too when I was
Speaker 5: in grade school, right, those books, and you know they
Speaker 5: were about animals who had lives and yeah, probably a
Speaker 5: little freaky now, but and you know, I was always
Speaker 5: a person even in graduate school that they put the
Speaker 5: limit on pages for right, there's a limit of forty pages.
Speaker 5: So I was like, seriously, because I got more stuff
Speaker 5: to say. But in all reality, as you know, I
Speaker 5: did not necessarily plan on a book, but it was
Speaker 5: the opportunity and.
Speaker 4: I'd had like this idea in my head.
Speaker 5: And again, you know, when I took it on, somebody said, oh,
Speaker 5: you need to hit that fifty thousand word mark. So
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, I'll get that done right. So
Speaker 5: it was again that that sort of thing of yeah,
Speaker 5: what's the limit that we can get to. But I
Speaker 5: think as women and especially women entrepreneurs, we want to
Speaker 5: tell our story right. We want to help people on
Speaker 5: this journey. And really my goal would be to switch
Speaker 5: the eighty twenty so eighty percent of entrepreneurs succeed instead
Speaker 5: of the twenty that we see now. Some of the
Speaker 5: basics are very simple, so that's kind of my message,
Speaker 5: and particularly women for crying out loud, like we have babies.
Speaker 4: We bring life into the world like online business. Come on,
Speaker 4: we can handle that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. You should be listening to us pre
Speaker 2: show or listening to me pre show.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love that. I you know when you talk and Kathy,
Speaker 2: you triggered it off from me, and Leslie you made me.
Speaker 2: Remember I don't know if anyone else had one, but
Speaker 2: I had a diary. I had a diary with a
Speaker 2: little blog that you know, my brother could pick with
Speaker 2: a bobby pin. You know, and you know, I used
Speaker 2: to keep it in a little sacred place and we
Speaker 2: used to write about our day or write about things
Speaker 2: that happened. And I was a journal writer for seventeen
Speaker 2: years now. If you had asked me, you know, before
Speaker 2: I started doing publication and what have you heard many
Speaker 2: years ago, if I was a writer, I'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: I've never really written anything. But when you think about
Speaker 2: probably how much we all have written, and how we
Speaker 2: used to have to write essays and you know, go
Speaker 2: get you know, go get data and actually write it out.
Speaker 2: They say now that most people don't actually write for
Speaker 2: more than two hours a day, like they actually don't
Speaker 2: write things out more than twas a day because we're
Speaker 2: texting and typing and doing all the things. But I
Speaker 2: think that's really interesting when you say that about how
Speaker 2: you truly really have been a writer. I mean conceptually,
Speaker 2: if you have concepts, then you write them down. And
Speaker 2: then the opportunity that Leslie's talking about and Kathy's participating
Speaker 2: in that as well, is that if you've been following
Speaker 2: two sixty two and if you're listening to this podcast,
Speaker 2: you definitely have you know where we've been, you know
Speaker 2: where we're going, you're listening, you're tied in, you're you know,
Speaker 2: we're super fans of you. Hopefully you're super fans of us.
Speaker 2: You know that we were at the Emmy's with the
Speaker 2: two sixty two book and these two women are in it,
Speaker 2: and also we're on our way to the Oscars and
Speaker 2: the beautiful thing about how when people work together, we
Speaker 2: don't keep that those secrets to ourselves. So these these
Speaker 2: two ladies were like what Now, Kathy was at the Emmy,
Speaker 2: she saw live what went on there. And they are
Speaker 2: writing their book in a time frame because they have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to also present their book at that forum.
Speaker 2: And so sometimes, you know, the opportunity comes, which is
Speaker 2: what you were just sharing about, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you're like, oh, those fifty thousand words or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, somehow moves to the top of your priority list.
Speaker 2: Which takes me to miss Carol, because Carol has well
Speaker 2: she'll tell you how many collaboratives she's been in, and
Speaker 2: she's going to tell you about this solo book and
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. Let me tell you this
Speaker 2: is an incredible title Entrepreneurs. So Carol Koppelman wrote, do
Speaker 2: the necessary and the rest go to hell. I'm sure
Speaker 2: these two women have had to do because the date
Speaker 2: for their you know, final chapter was put upon them
Speaker 2: before they started the process. So Carol, maybe share with
Speaker 2: us a little bit about what made you decide to
Speaker 2: do a solo book, what was behind the solo book,
Speaker 2: and maybe how long it took you, like, share some
Speaker 2: of the experience with us on that process.
Speaker 6: Yes, like the other two ladies, I was writing from
Speaker 6: the age of about five. My dad gave me one
Speaker 6: of those old composition books, and so I started writing.
Speaker 6: I was writing little new lands, you know, I made
Speaker 6: up my own little land. I wrote poetry and that
Speaker 6: kind of thing, and I got into I wrote short
Speaker 6: stories that I got published earlier on in my teens,
Speaker 6: and then went on to become a professional technical writer
Speaker 6: for many, many years. But once I retired, semi retired,
Speaker 6: let's say I retired from the corporate world, I had
Speaker 6: the opportunity to write a book, and I figured at
Speaker 6: the point my life experience was as valid as anybody else's,
Speaker 6: So I thought I'd write about that kind of to
Speaker 6: help other young women and maybe middle you know, young
Speaker 6: women and older to deal with certain transitions and I'd
Speaker 6: had some like everybody had some transitions. So it actually
Speaker 6: it was like giving birth because because I had to
Speaker 6: pull back into some very painful periods of my life,
Speaker 6: some good periods and some bad periods. And when I
Speaker 6: came to the title, I actually my mom had because
Speaker 6: they had lived in India for a while several years,
Speaker 6: and I had visited there, and one of the terms
Speaker 6: used in India is do the necessary or do the needful,
Speaker 6: and so I looked up the origin of that and
Speaker 6: it's Saint Francis of ASSISI is do the necessary. So
Speaker 6: I thought, well, that's a great title. And I had
Speaker 6: to have a subtitle, so I went in the kitchen
Speaker 6: I asked my Vietnam veteran husband. I said, so, what
Speaker 6: should my subtitle be? He said, let the rest go
Speaker 6: to hell.
Speaker 7: So that's how it was.
Speaker 6: Such a it's such a I'm kind of in sort
Speaker 6: of esoteric land all the time. My husband is very
Speaker 6: much down to earth, and it was it actually is
Speaker 6: an excellent way of looking at things, do the necessary
Speaker 6: and let all this other crap go somewhere else. Right,
Speaker 6: So yeah, but it is like it is literally like
Speaker 6: having a baby or you know, going through that whole process,
Speaker 6: because it's you're having to delve into really delve really
Speaker 6: deep inside of yourself and and try to present that
Speaker 6: in a way that other people will understand and empathize with.
Speaker 2: Now, thank you for sharing that, and that was that's
Speaker 2: that's great. How you came up with your title. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear Kathy and Leslie share on another
Speaker 2: show how their title finally came to pieces. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's so funny. The process when you decided to write
Speaker 2: the book. Some people write the book for the personal journey,
Speaker 2: and you talked about how yours was personal journey, but
Speaker 2: also some people write the book like these ladies to
Speaker 2: be able to help people make a better way, And
Speaker 2: it sounds like yours was a bit of a combination,
Speaker 2: and I think it, yes, right, Yes, we draw from
Speaker 2: our personal experiences and those that bring it forward, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the stories that we tell. And I've heard
Speaker 2: people say that before. I know people that have done
Speaker 2: like pure personal books and they said that, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff they were writing that they it
Speaker 2: was trauma based and they needed to have, like, you know,
Speaker 2: a counselor or someone to go to to make sure
Speaker 2: that they were not triggered in what have you? So
Speaker 2: writing a book can be all over the place. I mean,
Speaker 2: being an author of an instructional business book, you know,
Speaker 2: all the way to having something where someone's writing a
Speaker 2: story which is very deep. It sounds like yours was
Speaker 2: somewhere in between. I'm going to ask ladies, let's talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about well before we talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about, you know, the decision to take the book
Speaker 2: to market, but it's in the decision to writing it.
Speaker 2: So you've all talked about your decision to write the book,
Speaker 2: and then let's talk about how are you finding time
Speaker 2: for process? What are you doing to carve time out?
Speaker 2: What did you do, Carol to make it a priority,
Speaker 2: because clearly it got to market somehow. I mean there's
Speaker 2: people that have had books on their desk for ten
Speaker 2: fifteen years. Is it timing, is it procrastination or are
Speaker 2: they you know, they are not doing the necessary I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. Maybe they need to read your book. But
Speaker 2: let's talk a little bit about the process before you
Speaker 2: decide to take it to market. So, Kathy, how are
Speaker 2: you maneuvering it in your life? You've just moved, You've
Speaker 2: got lots of things on the go. Your daughter has
Speaker 2: you traveling around the world. You know, what, how are
Speaker 2: you What are you doing to make the time to
Speaker 2: write the book.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just being intentional. I have learned
Speaker 3: a lot about and making sure that I have it
Speaker 3: on my calendar and really sticking to my calendar.
Speaker 7: I've also learned to say no. As you said, I
Speaker 7: have been doing a lot of traveling. And for example,
Speaker 7: right now, I was.
Speaker 3: Asked and kind of crussured to be in an international meeting,
Speaker 3: a UN meeting in Istanbul and then going on to
Speaker 3: Cairo to be in one for next week. And I
Speaker 3: learned that I could say no. It wouldn't be the
Speaker 3: end of the world, even though I usually have learned
Speaker 3: to say yes, because opportunities come when you don't expect them.
Speaker 3: But I really know I needed to focus on this
Speaker 3: book and that I was not going to let other
Speaker 3: things distract me. And as you said, I just moved
Speaker 3: from Texas to Connecticut. And if you really saw my
Speaker 3: office right now, not here where I am.
Speaker 7: Sitting, it is piled high with books.
Speaker 4: But I allow myself a.
Speaker 3: Certain amount of time each day to do the to
Speaker 3: do the boxes, and the rest of the time I'm
Speaker 3: just being very intentional. This is super important to me
Speaker 3: and I have to get it done. So that's that's
Speaker 3: kind of the way I've I've worked on my time scheduling.
Speaker 7: I guess you could say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's important, and Leslie, how about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of the same.
Speaker 5: Right, we get hung up in how things have to
Speaker 5: be and how our day has to work.
Speaker 4: And I totally let go of that.
Speaker 5: Like I wore the same stuff every day, right, I
Speaker 5: had like I like to cook ahead, so I had
Speaker 5: stuff in the freezer, so I pretty much just pulled
Speaker 5: stuff out of the freezer.
Speaker 4: Never cooked.
Speaker 5: Had to walk the dog, right because he's very bossy
Speaker 5: and opinionated, But everything else, right, I let go. And
Speaker 5: this will sound super weird. I fell down some stairs
Speaker 5: right kind of in the middle of the process. So
Speaker 5: I was like being that black and blue and stitches
Speaker 5: in my head. But it allowed me to put off
Speaker 5: everything right.
Speaker 4: It allowed me.
Speaker 5: Not to meet with people, not to go to any networking.
Speaker 5: So in retrospect, it was really a blessing.
Speaker 4: And I had two weeks there where that is what
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 5: I also like I just leaned into inspiration, like if
Speaker 5: I had something on my calendar and I got inspiration.
Speaker 4: I totally bounced it back and I went with that
Speaker 4: momentum right.
Speaker 5: Likewise, I granted myself the grace too when I struggled
Speaker 5: for kind of my period was more than an hour.
Speaker 4: On a chapter. That was it like I walked away.
Speaker 5: I moved on or whatever I needed to do, but
Speaker 5: really stepped away from being super like Ah in it.
Speaker 4: I think I mentioned.
Speaker 5: Too, I went out. So my thing is to clean
Speaker 5: the garage. I don't know why I gotta clean garage.
Speaker 5: So in the middle of writing, I'll be like, Oh,
Speaker 5: I got to go clean the garage. Or I love
Speaker 5: to cut down trees with my sawsle I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 5: I got to go cut down trees. So again, just
Speaker 5: sort of working that in because I knew that was
Speaker 5: part of my ability to stay grounded.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. That's I
Speaker 2: love I relate to when it's like going to the garage.
Speaker 2: For me, it's tidying something up, organizing the closet. You know,
Speaker 2: I just pulled things. I mean, there's you know the
Speaker 2: world is abundant right now in my world, lot's doing,
Speaker 2: and I just went and pulled the stuff out like
Speaker 2: for the winter and to change my jackets. It'll take
Speaker 2: me twenty minutes, but it'll make me feel in that
Speaker 2: many accomplished so that I can go back into I
Speaker 2: won't say chaos. I'll say multiplex, you know, go back
Speaker 2: into things that are you know, in an ever changing state.
Speaker 2: And I think it's important, you know it is for me.
Speaker 2: It's a form of meditation, right, meditation.
Speaker 4: It's quiet.
Speaker 2: I'm having myself. I have my time with myself. You know,
Speaker 2: I get to talk to myself and have a little
Speaker 2: conversation and you know, I have a friend in me.
Speaker 2: You know. If there a song have at Carol for
Speaker 2: you when you were doing your book, what was it
Speaker 2: that you because you know, we have other things in
Speaker 2: our lives, right. You got a husband he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: let's get get her done. But what's that? What did
Speaker 2: you use to be able to make sure you got
Speaker 2: your book done or what was your process?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: Actually, you know I wrote it during the pandemic, at
Speaker 6: the beginning of the pandemic, so I had a lot
Speaker 6: of time inside and I would and my husband was
Speaker 6: very supportive or whatever whatever I did. And so, uh,
Speaker 6: but I I remember I would sit around and cogitate
Speaker 6: a lot, and then I'd have to process some of
Speaker 6: these feelings. But actually, once I went through, it was
Speaker 6: so cathartic to go through this process that the person
Speaker 6: I was when I wrote that book, and that was
Speaker 6: about four years ago, I think something like that, I'm
Speaker 6: not I don't even resemble that person. And actually it
Speaker 6: was a good thing to talk about the past, but
Speaker 6: in an in kind of an instructive way and a
Speaker 6: helpful way to someone else who might be encountering the
Speaker 6: same things. So it was cogitation, writing little notes to
Speaker 6: myself and also employing some of the same things, cleaning
Speaker 6: the closet or doing something else to kind of get
Speaker 6: myself out of that space and then meditate a little bit.
Speaker 6: So I did a lot of that thing, but most
Speaker 6: of it was just thinking about things that. Like I said,
Speaker 6: it took about four or five months probably to write this,
Speaker 6: So that's what I went through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that it's interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because people make decisions to write
Speaker 2: books like we talked earlier, Like I said earlier, for
Speaker 2: different reasons. Some have timelines, some don't. Timelines could be
Speaker 2: a blessing for some people. And then there's that creative process.
Speaker 2: If you haven't said it to yourself, you've probably heard
Speaker 2: other authors say it. It's like, but there's so much
Speaker 2: more I can tell, you know. Or some people have
Speaker 2: a hard time stopping a book and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: can do another one, you know, people like I have
Speaker 2: a trilogy in me. Sometimes when you start to open
Speaker 2: up the gate, you're like, I have a trilogy in me.
Speaker 2: You're like, perfect, you know, so did JKR Rawlings?
Speaker 4: Look at her?
Speaker 2: She did good. So just you know, say what you
Speaker 2: say in one book and kind of like what you
Speaker 2: said now four years later, you know, there's a whole
Speaker 2: different Carol that would write from a whole different way.
Speaker 2: And I think that at every stage that we write,
Speaker 2: whether it's instructional, and we were always learning more about
Speaker 2: life and we're always learning more about our craft, right,
Speaker 2: But there's people that are where you were at four
Speaker 2: years ago that needed to hear it. And I think
Speaker 2: that's the beautiful thing about books is that I just
Speaker 2: spoke to a woman prior to getting on the show
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh my gosh, you know, da da
Speaker 2: da da da da dad, And I wish I was you,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know, have you read the book?
Speaker 4: You know, but.
Speaker 2: There's people that are exactly you know. I was giving
Speaker 2: her advice from something that happened to me three years ago.
Speaker 2: She's got it going on right now. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what you need to do, and this is
Speaker 2: what's happened, and da da da da da, and you've
Speaker 2: been this and there's trigger like all this stuff and
Speaker 2: that was a three year ago experience. So that's what
Speaker 2: I think about the beautiful thing about a book and
Speaker 2: why I feel like a book can be everlasting because
Speaker 2: not the world doesn't grow, you know, growing at the
Speaker 2: same pace that you are. And what we've had to
Speaker 2: say on our journey and is so important for someone
Speaker 2: who's now embarking on their journey. And you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure we all have read books over and over and
Speaker 2: over again. One of the books that I read, well,
Speaker 2: I think after the tenth time I stopped was Thinking
Speaker 2: over Rich by Napoleon Hill. But the book that changed
Speaker 2: my life, And I'm going to ask you, what was
Speaker 2: the book that changed your life? Shakki guy one Living
Speaker 2: in the Light.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I was in last year of high school and I
Speaker 2: found this book and it was it was a book
Speaker 2: that talked the concept of feminine masculine energy. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, someone's talking about what's going
Speaker 2: on in my body, you know, because that wasn't a
Speaker 2: conversation that was, you know, really top of mind for
Speaker 2: people when I was in nice school. Right, that's not
Speaker 2: femin energy. But it changed my life and it made
Speaker 2: me feel like I wasn't you know, I had what
Speaker 2: I was experiencing someone else was experiencing. And so it
Speaker 2: was an amazing book that I read over and over again.
Speaker 2: And then the opportunity came to go see Shafty Guy one.
Speaker 2: She was at a Christchurch cathedral in Vancouver, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna go listen to
Speaker 2: this woman. And she's talking about her experience about writing
Speaker 2: this book, and I was like, well, that's interesting, right,
Speaker 2: and then she's like, you know, I read it now,
Speaker 2: and I think, oh my god, I can't believe I
Speaker 2: gave such crappy advice. I was thinking, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? That advice changed my life? You were you know.
Speaker 2: I was, I'm like a super fan, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You're working my heart here? And she was like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe when I read it that people actually got
Speaker 2: value from that nice way I get to put that.
Speaker 2: You know, she had so far advanced and she was like,
Speaker 2: what was I thinking when I wrote that stuff? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what you were thinking saved my butt
Speaker 2: is a long way to tell you that story. But
Speaker 2: that was the book that really changed my life. Ladies,
Speaker 2: what is a book Kathy that really made impression upon
Speaker 2: you or changed your life? Oh, we can't hear.
Speaker 3: You ahead, Sorry, I had workers around here. There have
Speaker 3: been quite a few, actually, and I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, a lot of them were in
Speaker 3: the seventies and some of the feminist writings about just
Speaker 3: beat women having value and being equal. There's Audrey Lord,
Speaker 3: there was Gloria Steinem. There were just quite a few
Speaker 3: books that just kind of got me motivated and got
Speaker 3: me a little angry that we weren't already being considered equal.
Speaker 3: And you know, I got involved in the e er
Speaker 3: work and things like that, so it would be hard
Speaker 3: to really just just look at one book. I think
Speaker 3: it was a compilation we as we've been talking about
Speaker 3: all these different yeah, of all these different women and
Speaker 3: their thoughts and and their beliefs and their passion. And
Speaker 3: I got to work with Bella Abzuck for a little
Speaker 3: while when I was working in politics, you know, very
Speaker 3: early in my career. So just having all this these
Speaker 3: these messages and hearing what they had to say and
Speaker 3: how they were so passionate and going forward with the
Speaker 3: with women's rights and so there would be just there's
Speaker 3: quite a few, right, So.
Speaker 2: That made an impression upon And of course you're writing
Speaker 2: about leadership and how women becoming leaders and how that's
Speaker 2: played into your book today. And Leslie, what about yourself?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Glorious Synems might hear right, So she's
Speaker 5: always been the voice in my head. So certainly that
Speaker 5: genre of book. But I have to say, like when
Speaker 5: you said that, I was. I really thought Martin Luther
Speaker 5: King like his writings and as well as Malcolm X,
Speaker 5: Like I got really into that.
Speaker 4: And there was something about Malcolm.
Speaker 5: X's story of when he began to change, because I
Speaker 5: think we all have this perception that he was really hateful,
Speaker 5: and he certainly was at one point, right, and then
Speaker 5: he made this huge shift in his personal beliefs and
Speaker 5: everything else, and that's when he was killed and they
Speaker 5: for that. For me, that has always stuck with me,
Speaker 5: that ability to make that one to eighty shift. And
Speaker 5: from the outside we have this perception, right, and yet
Speaker 5: people can make that and change completely everything about themselves.
Speaker 5: And you know, I just had to mention too, that
Speaker 5: whole change process through the book. I think I even
Speaker 5: talked about it a little in the book, and it
Speaker 5: was very quick, right, but I knew the person who
Speaker 5: began writing the book would not be the same person
Speaker 5: who ended up writing the book.
Speaker 4: And I see everybody nodding.
Speaker 5: It's such a process as you get really focused and
Speaker 5: get clearer, you know each chapter, and you can almost
Speaker 5: see like how your thought process is changing as well.
Speaker 5: And maybe that's a part that I liked about the
Speaker 5: Malcolm story and why it's segueing for me, right, is
Speaker 5: that change process we make whatever we're doing in the world.
Speaker 2: No true true, true true? And Carol, what about for yourself?
Speaker 6: There's a lot of books, but I was thinking of Eat, Pray, Love,
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Elizabeth Gilbert. And I think because I was
Speaker 6: always a gypsy really for much of my life, I'm
Speaker 6: a little more nesting at this point in my life,
Speaker 6: so I didn't reverse but so and also the transition
Speaker 6: she went through in their life and from a woman's
Speaker 6: perspective of she kind of fell locked down in her
Speaker 6: marriage and then she went on the adventure all over
Speaker 6: the world, and just that really influenced a lot of
Speaker 6: my thinking. I really loved that book. Beautiful book, beautiful movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, right, I had a moment with it myself.
Speaker 2: It made a big change for my life. And I,
Speaker 2: you know, ended up going to Rome, not you know,
Speaker 2: not because of the book, but I didn't even you know. Anyways,
Speaker 2: it triggered off me going to Rome my first trip
Speaker 2: that I went by myself, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about. This is truly being
Speaker 2: on a trip in doing what you want when you want.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was amazing. So you have your
Speaker 2: writing solo books, and you've written a solo book. All
Speaker 2: of you ladies have been part of a collaborative book.
Speaker 2: I know you've been part of you know, to sixty two,
Speaker 2: and Carol, you've been part of two sixty two from
Speaker 2: a speaking standpoint and being on the stage and this
Speaker 2: whole inner, you know, in our movement of women coming
Speaker 2: together and the causes and what that means, and you know,
Speaker 2: solidarity and collaboration and all the good stuff. But there's
Speaker 2: many different collaborative books so and they all usually have
Speaker 2: a different theme, you know. The one that we just
Speaker 2: finished producing had to do about women and solidarity and
Speaker 2: self funding women and all the good stuff that we've
Speaker 2: been talking about. So I'm going to wrap up a
Speaker 2: little bit with your launches and things like that, so
Speaker 2: maybe fairly a little quickly share the difference. Was there
Speaker 2: a difference? Did you have to go inside to the
Speaker 2: same degree? What was it like to write in a
Speaker 2: collaborative now versus writing your own So Kathin, let's start
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about a coat collaborative book is it's
Speaker 3: much shorter, so that does make it a little easier.
Speaker 3: But I think for me, at least, I had to
Speaker 3: still go deep, so that I wanted to make sure
Speaker 3: that those few words that I was contributed, compared to
Speaker 3: the whole volume of the book were were heart centered,
Speaker 3: and that they came from my experience and my beliefs
Speaker 3: and my passion and my values. So I think the
Speaker 3: same internal work had to go into the process. The
Speaker 3: actual writing, once again was probably a little easier because
Speaker 3: it is shorter. But I whatever I've written ever throughout
Speaker 3: my lifetime, even when I've been writing for magazines or
Speaker 3: even for medical journals, I had to make sure that
Speaker 3: it resonated with the reader. That so many times, you know,
Speaker 3: even technical writing seems dry and people don't read it.
Speaker 3: So as Carol, she's been a technical writer, so I'm
Speaker 3: sure she couldn't probably say talk to this too. Is
Speaker 3: that you still have to put in something that makes
Speaker 3: them want to read it so that it resonates with them.
Speaker 7: And it's not just you know, blah blah blah science science,
Speaker 7: science kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so that part it does go.
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 3: It takes the internal work I think is similar in
Speaker 3: this and but it's just a matter of.
Speaker 7: Fewer words, which is sometimes harder than a lot of words.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. I talked about this yesterday
Speaker 2: about how one of my biggest presentations that I was told,
Speaker 2: you know, in front of an audience was four minutes.
Speaker 2: They wanted me to teach how to raise conscious children
Speaker 2: in four minutes. So I was like, oh, I can
Speaker 2: do that in one minute. I came out and like,
Speaker 2: if you all want to have conscious children, be conscious parents.
Speaker 2: Got to go you know what I mean, like, no,
Speaker 2: I didn't do that, but the but I agree with you,
Speaker 2: like you know, and Leslie talked about it earlier. It
Speaker 2: can be difficult to get it tight, you know, I know,
Speaker 2: because you know I would write something and Dorothea would
Speaker 2: send it back to me and go, you're five hundred
Speaker 2: words over. I'm like, how can I be five hundred
Speaker 2: words over when I'm only be writing seven hundred words?
Speaker 2: Like how's that possible? And getting it tight and getting
Speaker 2: it tight and making it impactful. Sometimes you feel like
Speaker 2: you're losing part of yourself and what have you. But
Speaker 2: I have to say when I see the you know,
Speaker 2: when I see it finished and it's in a collaborative
Speaker 2: I mean, I like the collaborati because there's joy, joy, happy,
Speaker 2: happy community community, and that makes it a little easier
Speaker 2: and it tends to be someone else's theme, right, like
Speaker 2: at least you know, you know, you got your eye
Speaker 2: on writing about that, so it can be easier, but
Speaker 2: it can also be more difficult, and that I found difficult.
Speaker 2: Yet the impact I found to be just for me
Speaker 2: at this point, just as grand right, proud of the piece, Leslie,
Speaker 2: what about yourself?
Speaker 5: So Yeah, such different experiences, right, Like I love the
Speaker 5: collaborative without a doubt, right, getting to meet super amazing
Speaker 5: women like you all and all the others in the
Speaker 5: two sixty two book, having that support and community. I
Speaker 5: agree with Kathy in the sense of like words matter, right,
Speaker 5: So whether we're writing fifty thousand or one hundred, it's
Speaker 5: always that real intentional focus. What are we saying? Are
Speaker 5: we saying true to ourselves? A solo book, gosh, I
Speaker 5: don't know if I'd written one without the opportunity. It
Speaker 5: was kind of on the back of my mind. But
Speaker 5: it's an undertaking. But I will say, like I having
Speaker 5: a short timespan, like I super focused, I had an intention.
Speaker 5: I'm very self critical, like I can step back and go, oh,
Speaker 5: like that super sucks or that was freaking brilliant, and
Speaker 5: that's in the same sentence, right, so yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: And then and I tried to kind of like the collaborative, right,
Speaker 5: I tried to bring people in, had beta readers and
Speaker 5: people reading behind me going okay, like we don't know
Speaker 5: what you're talking about, or yeah, maybe or whatever. It
Speaker 5: is so such a different experience, but yeah, so I
Speaker 5: think you should do one of both.
Speaker 4: Or one of many, right.
Speaker 2: One of many, one of many. We have many stories
Speaker 2: to tell. Do share and Carol for yourself liked.
Speaker 6: I liked both, you know, I liked having the opportunity
Speaker 6: to do my own book, but also the collaborative piece
Speaker 6: because we would have at least monthly meetings with the
Speaker 6: others and so we would it would help us refine
Speaker 6: our theme. And I agree with Kathy that and you
Speaker 6: that it's so hard. It's harder actually if to have
Speaker 6: a five hundred word limit or something like that is
Speaker 6: actually hard, a little bit more challenging to get everything
Speaker 6: you want to say in that area. And so I
Speaker 6: found that actually more challenging than writing my book, because
Speaker 6: I really have to to really focus on, Okay, what
Speaker 6: are we really what is our theme? Is isn't and
Speaker 6: actually is it going to mesh with everybody else's thing?
Speaker 6: And that was the beauty of having these meetings that
Speaker 6: we could throw things around and then you know it
Speaker 6: really refined pieces. So yeah, both formats are great.
Speaker 2: Both formats are great. I mean I almost recommend if
Speaker 2: someone's not an author, right, that being part of a collaborative,
Speaker 2: particularly if you're going to use it for a business
Speaker 2: extension or project extension, or you're an artist and you
Speaker 2: want to tell the story, if you're an artist because
Speaker 2: you want to sell your art, or whatever. I feel like,
Speaker 2: if you've had a collaborative experience conceptually, I think it
Speaker 2: makes it much easier before you write your solo. I
Speaker 2: think because you have an understanding, you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is a launch date, and this is what a book
Speaker 2: launch looks like, and this is what oh okay, and
Speaker 2: you know you've put yourself through that thought process would
Speaker 2: seem to me. But we're going to be wrapping it up, ladies,
Speaker 2: and I all look at those beautiful hearts that Kathy's got.
Speaker 2: So let's just kind of walk around a little bit
Speaker 2: and talk about Kathy. Let's go back to you. You
Speaker 2: are in the process, and let's talk about the launch.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the day that you get to share
Speaker 2: your piece of art with your friend's family or foremost.
Speaker 2: So I know, Carol, that you've done a lunch, we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk. We're gonna leave you to last to say
Speaker 2: how you did yours. Kathy, do you have plans for
Speaker 2: doing a launch? What is it that you're doing. I'll
Speaker 2: let you share it yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm learning a lot from you, Deb and I
Speaker 3: really appreciate that and from everybody who's done a lunch,
Speaker 3: and I'm really anxious to hear what Carol has to say,
Speaker 3: because that is.
Speaker 7: A little for me daunting.
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, I know it will be
Speaker 3: at the OSCARS, so I know that will be a
Speaker 3: big effect, and I know I will be launching it
Speaker 3: at one of the two sixty two speakers summits. But
Speaker 3: planning a launch, I would probably need to do a
Speaker 3: launch in Texas because I have such a you know,
Speaker 3: so many friends there and I know they will want
Speaker 3: to be help participate in that and celebrate it because
Speaker 3: I've lived there for a really long time. I also
Speaker 3: would love to try and do a launch in New York,
Speaker 3: where I also live part time, but that finding all
Speaker 3: those kind of people, you know, and all these people
Speaker 3: to come to it. I do have quite a few
Speaker 3: friends there too, but that is that would be quite
Speaker 3: an an undertaking. But I do know that it's important
Speaker 3: and I would you know, I also will be doing
Speaker 3: some launches online, you know, to really to really promote
Speaker 3: the book, because I think writing it is difficult, marketing
Speaker 3: it can be as difficult or more difficult, because I
Speaker 3: do want to make sure that what I've written gets
Speaker 3: into the hands of women who need it or who
Speaker 3: might be inspired by it. Because why write wants something
Speaker 3: if you're not trying to impact or inspire for me
Speaker 3: other women.
Speaker 2: So awesome We're going to have to do. We'll do
Speaker 2: at an author launch show all the different types of
Speaker 2: launches you can do and all the different We'll do
Speaker 2: this really cool concept and throw ideas out there and
Speaker 2: we'll have an interactive My listeners are like, Kay, let's
Speaker 2: get you so called. Okay, so cool, and Leslie, how
Speaker 2: about yourself?
Speaker 5: A similar position to Kathy right, have been through the
Speaker 5: launch with you doing some stuff behind the scenes, also
Speaker 5: cultivating the community already, right to help me with that
Speaker 5: in mind?
Speaker 4: Is gonna be like a rolling launch apparently?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of say that, like rolling my eyes, right,
Speaker 5: it seems like a launch that goes on forever. But
Speaker 5: gonna go ahead and launch it right before Christmas because
Speaker 5: I need those physical copies, and then right to the
Speaker 5: oscars and then to March eighth, so I'm sure by
Speaker 5: March eighth.
Speaker 4: I'll be like Holy Molly.
Speaker 5: But yeah, trying to plan all that I think in
Speaker 5: some ways. You know, you look back and I was like, fully,
Speaker 5: the writing the book, that was the easy part. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Now it's all these other things that you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: oh I haven't thought it. Oh I gotta do that,
Speaker 5: I gotta do that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And and you know, the cool thing
Speaker 2: I say to people is that you can launch and
Speaker 2: relaunch your book at any time, right, and people are
Speaker 2: as excited for you now as they are then. And
Speaker 2: that book that a book is a moving piece, unlike
Speaker 2: a piece of art, which I love art. I mean,
Speaker 2: if I don't know if I have any more room
Speaker 2: on my walls, honestly, so it's getting pretty bad. They're
Speaker 2: doubling and you know, somewhere under a bed at this point.
Speaker 2: But the but an art piece is, you know, you
Speaker 2: can move that piece to different parts of your world.
Speaker 2: But the book, the book. You know, books can be
Speaker 2: redone and revised and recalibrated and relaunched, and it is
Speaker 2: actually a moving piece of art. I think. And so
Speaker 2: for you, Carol, wrap us up on the launch part.
Speaker 6: And well, you know, I had no idea what was
Speaker 6: going on. I went through a through a publishing company
Speaker 6: who took care of a lot of the marketing that
Speaker 6: was part of the package, and so I really didn't know.
Speaker 6: So she set up the launch party. I had to
Speaker 6: have several people look at the book ahead of time,
Speaker 6: so I had a launch party I think about twenty
Speaker 6: people or something like that, and then they would look
Speaker 6: on Amazon and and make reviews and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and then she would she did a podcast with me,
Speaker 6: and then I was part of some networking groups that
Speaker 6: also wanted to interview me for podcasts. So it kind
Speaker 6: of get to name the word out. So it was
Speaker 6: kind of went in there kind of like I don't
Speaker 6: know what's going on. First time I'd ever been on
Speaker 6: a podcast. I was scared to death. I dressed up
Speaker 6: way too much because this isn't the you know, like
Speaker 6: right after the in the middle of the pandemic and
Speaker 6: I've been worried. You know, there's all my sweatshirts all
Speaker 6: the time, and I'm like, i have to wear makeup.
Speaker 4: So it was it's.
Speaker 6: I think having that launch team ahead of time and
Speaker 6: helping with kind of have some back up and getting
Speaker 6: yourself out there is a big deal. So people are
Speaker 6: aware of your book.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks so much for sharing. And I think that.
Speaker 2: That's really about it, right, having people know what you're doing.
Speaker 4: You know, it's.
Speaker 2: Not helpful if you're using it for marketing to like
Speaker 2: announce it the week before the book comes out. There's
Speaker 2: all sorts of things and maybe we'll do we'll do
Speaker 2: a thing on that, and we talk about that a lot,
Speaker 2: Like I talk about that a lot in terms of
Speaker 2: marketing and pre and I know Leslie right now. You
Speaker 2: can follow Leslie and she'd like day this and day that,
Speaker 2: and she's on our way to the Oscars and she's
Speaker 2: doing her thing, and we're talking about it as much
Speaker 2: as we can, and keeping the process alive and people
Speaker 2: engaged in what you're doing, and letting people cheer you on,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and then really owning that
Speaker 2: you've created something that only three percent in the world
Speaker 2: do how many people want to versus how many people do.
Speaker 2: So for any of you listeners out there are viewers
Speaker 2: that are watching that are thinking that you have a
Speaker 2: book inside you, we encourage you to start digging in that,
Speaker 2: maybe start writing about you wanting to write, you know,
Speaker 2: reaching out. I think that's very important. I don't say
Speaker 2: that because I do it. In terms of getting support
Speaker 2: around a book launch, but it's very important. It makes
Speaker 2: a difference between success and you know it's going to
Speaker 2: make a difference in your numbers. Absolutely everything that we
Speaker 2: do is a marketing piece if you're using it, if
Speaker 2: you're doing it for anything other than just your personal development.
Speaker 2: You want to put a book on the market because
Speaker 2: it was part of something that's your sole therapy. I
Speaker 2: call you know what I mean, where you don't really
Speaker 2: care if anyone reads it. You wanted to make that
Speaker 2: children's book, you wanted to make that movement, and you
Speaker 2: wrote it because it was important for you to check
Speaker 2: off your list. It was a soul, it was a
Speaker 2: sole thing. But most people are writing books to help
Speaker 2: people get seen, get heard, and that is part of
Speaker 2: the launch, right and very different than the energy of
Speaker 2: writing the book. So people can contact us for information
Speaker 2: like that. Kathy, you have a few things.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, I just want to plod leslie her Facebook
Speaker 3: Live process about writing the book. I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: up the courage to do all this facebok live. I'm
Speaker 3: practicing a little bit because those have been phenomenal. I've
Speaker 3: just really to me, they're a joy, They're entertaining, but
Speaker 3: they're also joyful because I see the joy in you
Speaker 3: in doing it.
Speaker 4: Also a little bit of the.
Speaker 3: Stress, but you just seem so happy about what you're accomplishing.
Speaker 7: So congratulations on the Facebook lives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Awesome. So look at follow us into sixty two. All
Speaker 2: of these ladies are going to have their information in
Speaker 2: the show notes. You're going to be able to contact them.
Speaker 2: Follow Leslie the book. You know we're going to be
Speaker 2: when this show goes. These ladies are going to be
Speaker 2: further along in their process. Carol, we're going to have
Speaker 2: her information about her book. Carol's also been part of
Speaker 2: fifteen collaboratives, so she has good experience on both sides.
Speaker 2: If you want to be in a book, you know
Speaker 2: where we are, right you know where we are. We
Speaker 2: have space in our two sixty two book to hear
Speaker 2: your story if you are a self funding woman, and
Speaker 2: we have all sorts of incredible projects going on, and
Speaker 2: I know of many people that have incredible projects that
Speaker 2: are going on that are maybe doing a book that
Speaker 2: you're more aligned with, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: I just put two guys together yesterday because he's in
Speaker 2: rockbusting right on, right on, right, But we're here to
Speaker 2: celebrate with you and please come join us on the Summits.
Speaker 2: You know, these are standups, speak up and show up,
Speaker 2: and they are for women and those that support women.
Speaker 2: So that's everybody, that's all of you out there. Come
Speaker 2: on and see and you will see a lot of authors.
Speaker 2: You will see a lot of people doing a lot
Speaker 2: of really cool things that take bravery, just like authoring does.
Speaker 2: And so if you have, you know, if you have
Speaker 2: a book that you want to talk about, come do
Speaker 2: it on the summit. If you have a book withinside
Speaker 2: you and you need some support, we're here to help
Speaker 2: cheer you on, and as always we just love and
Speaker 2: endore you. Thank you so much for being an inspirational audience, ladies,
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us today and sharing more insight
Speaker 2: into your project. We're looking for international best selling status
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again for you
Speaker 2: and we know you'll have it. And congratulations for braving
Speaker 2: up taking your first book launch to the to the oscars. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know they're gonna get dressed up, Carol, You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like if you're going to go go,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, if you're gonna you
Speaker 2: have a little fear, might as well do a big one.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like doing a half shot of tequila.
Speaker 2: Forget it, do the you know, take the full blast.
Speaker 2: You don't go for it, and we will see you
Speaker 2: again here next week at Mission Accepted podcast.
Speaker 4: Thank you ladies.
Speaker 2: And before we go, I think really quickly, you're going
Speaker 2: on a trip, your book's finished, you've had multiple launches,
Speaker 2: You're like, give me the dakery, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: go on a vacation and I'm taking one suitcase and
Speaker 2: I can take one album, one only one. What song
Speaker 2: singer or you know, musician do you want to hear
Speaker 2: from when you when you land on that private island, Kathy, I.
Speaker 3: Would probably say, right now, there's a song Confident that
Speaker 3: I really really listen to because it just it's celebrate,
Speaker 3: it's celebratory. And where would I go? I would probably
Speaker 3: not go to a beach.
Speaker 7: I would go to Ireland.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're going to Ireland and you're listening celebratory Okay,
Speaker 2: And Leslie, I gotta go with my girl Lizzo.
Speaker 4: It's about damn time, Right.
Speaker 2: About dan time by Lizzo and Carol.
Speaker 6: Carol King Tapestry Desert island.
Speaker 2: Awesome, you're a theme. Okay, ladies, thank you for joining
Speaker 2: us audience. Thank you, we'll see you next week. And
Speaker 2: until we see you again, you'll be well and you
Speaker 2: stay groovy.