1 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, hobby Verse. It must be Saturday, because it's 2 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:29,760 another episode of Hobby Hotline. I believe this is three ninety. 3 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:34,640 I'm joined by two people I consider good friends and 4 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:41,359 glad that the case, Orlando Collector's Dream and Tony Duh 5 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,560 you know, representing Philly, which I'll be going to in 6 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,079 a few weeks myself. I want to start off, unfortunately 7 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:51,679 with some somber news. Both of these gentlemen were gracious 8 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:55,520 enough to jump on almost last minute. Last day or two, 9 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,159 we had, you know, unfortunately two deaths how Hotline members 10 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,519 with uh, you know, Samuel Evans lost a family member 11 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,359 this week and couldn't come on, and then just yesterday, 12 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Victor Roman, who was supposed to be on his mother 13 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:18,640 in law passed away. So we send our thoughts and 14 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:24,000 condolences to the Evans and Roman family during this difficult time. 15 00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:28,120 I know probably everyone else would echo that sentiment always 16 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:33,040 thinks an unfortunately part of life as well. So uh, 17 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,319 but Victor and Orlando jumping in I much appreciated, guys. 18 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,239 Thank you for for doing us as solid. All right, 19 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,400 so let's get in. We got some great topics, but 20 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,200 let's get into some hellos here. 21 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:49,319 Speaker 2: This morning. 22 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: There's Scott. Good morning from sunny Minnesota. Is not sunny 23 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,079 in New York, guys, So I wish, I wish I 24 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:01,879 could say the same Mad City brew Upstate sports Cards 25 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,519 in Aubany, New York. I'm gonna guess cloudy Aubany in 26 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:10,599 New York as well. Uh, Western Colorado, small, small act town. 27 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:14,400 Jim at the bank, he's driving across Alligator Alley. So 28 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:21,159 fellow Floridian Orlando fiulfly Ball, Good morning, sir, Confluence sports Cards. 29 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,039 Speaker 2: Good morning. He's at your mom's house, so you might 30 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,599 want to call your mom a check hunter. 31 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:31,479 Speaker 1: Uh so, uh yank me card Steve A funny name, 32 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,960 Howdy from Sonny Tucson. So another sunny city pe Peter 33 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,439 b Good morning, Larry Gitlin, good morning, or from Nova 34 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,840 Summer is here? Uh Bamboozo says sorry, I'm late. I 35 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:50,199 was busy scopting my mustache. You and Roly fingers both, 36 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:54,560 So we'll give you both a past there, all right, guys, 37 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,479 and I'll put up comments, uh, you know, as as 38 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,120 we go along. So we're going to start out with 39 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,479 the big one, or at least I think it's it's 40 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:10,159 the big one. So it's the Manto redemption card from 41 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:15,599 the twenty twenty six tops was pulled. That's not the redemption, 42 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,280 that's the grade of the card. I don't know if 43 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,919 it's the actual card that is in play, but it's 44 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,879 a five and a half from PSA and a father 45 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,280 and son from Houston, Texas pulled the card the redemption. 46 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Obviously they didn't put it's great and so it's not 47 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:37,080 going in a pack, but they pulled a redemption, which 48 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,680 is good for this card, and it's already on Golden. 49 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,960 Last I checked was ninety four K five and a 50 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,639 half's guys, and we kind of did some talking before 51 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,759 we went live. Five and a half generally, you know, 52 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,319 between two and a quarter two hundred and twenty five 53 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,479 three hundred thousand dollars. But the person that pulled the 54 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,960 card wasted no time getting the redemption on Golden. So 55 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,840 if you want APSA five and a half from of 56 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:16,399 making Mantle fifty two tops, you know that golden h guys, 57 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,000 kind of your thoughts here on this card, you know, 58 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,439 and and selling it that quick, you know, I say 59 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:25,879 the card, but the redemption is good for Linda. 60 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think it's first, it's great that 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,480 a breaker, didn't pull it as a father and son, 62 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,199 and it's always good to see that, you know versus 63 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,240 big breakers like back here like that pulling that. And 64 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,839 you know they put up the you know, the redemption 65 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:45,639 without even knowing what the grade or what the card was. 66 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:47,519 So I think that was a little bit of a 67 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:51,160 risk because you know, they just showed shared the card. 68 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,920 I mean, you know, Tom's just shared the card, I think, 69 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,639 just a few days ago, So I think it was 70 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,439 kind of risky just to put it up there. 71 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: Now. 72 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: Most people thought it was going to be a lower grade. Personally, 73 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,839 I thought it was going to be, you know, a 74 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,319 one or a two or three. I never expected to 75 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:07,800 be a five and a half. So I was surprised 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,800 with that. And I think this is the actual car 77 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,240 that was released. It came out on the Sports Collector's 78 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,399 Digest article, so I'm assuming this is the actual card, 79 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,279 which looks really really nice, like a little bit off centered, 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,199 but those cards are always off centered, so its just right. Now, 81 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,720 it's a great deal that ninety thousand at Golden when 82 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,519 it's probably more like a two hundred and fifty thousand 83 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,240 dollars card. 84 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: And there's Tony with the update. 85 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: He's doing double duties commenting, and but the car bid 86 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:38,319 one hundred and fifty k. 87 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's the number price currently great card. I 88 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,480 think it's the first fifty two TOPS redemption maybe since the. 89 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 6: Ninety one set Orlando. Yeah is that correct? 90 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:51,439 Speaker 3: Yes? 91 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:51,759 Speaker 2: All right? 92 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 5: And that car has a lot of history to it, 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,399 so I anticipate since this is a full blown redemption 94 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,399 it's handled by TOPS, I think it's going to surpass 95 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,319 to two hundred and fifty thousand mark with Bar's premium. 96 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:07,199 It's already out one hundred and fifty thousand. 97 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 6: As we said, just based on the. 98 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: Commer And when I first saw the card, the first 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,000 thing that came to me was I wonder if Top 100 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,319 spotted off of Ash because he seems to have about 101 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,120 eight of them in his cases at any given time. 102 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 6: But I think it's a great card. 103 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 5: All fifty two TOPS mantles are going to have some slant, 104 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,759 whether it's the top order the ripe order, is just 105 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,519 how the plates were made, and there were two different plates. 106 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:33,079 Speaker 6: As folks know, type one and Type two. 107 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 5: But I think it's a wonderful card and I'm happy 108 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,439 for whoever's going to win the card and especially for 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,079 the father and son duo. 110 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this, would you what are 111 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:47,000 your thoughts on this? Where PSA re slabs the card 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,639 and not changing the grade the cards graded, but reslabs 113 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,600 the card and put something on the flip to signify 114 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,759 like this card was the card in the Tops redemption giveaway. 115 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,759 Speaker 2: Does that make any difference? You don't want to see that. 116 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: You'd like to see that to kind of maybe set 117 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,920 the card a little apart from just all the five 118 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,000 and a halfs or fives, you know, just give some 119 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:16,199 additional provenence to what the card represents or the backstory, 120 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:19,360 or you rather not whoever wants to go first. 121 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: Oh, I do think that they probably should have done 122 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,120 that already, because I guess it would have been really 123 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,720 great providence to know. And you know, some people will definitely, 124 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,240 you know, pay up for providence. You know, I already 125 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:36,639 have a fifty two mano and mine I know the 126 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,680 providence of mind, which is great to have. And I 127 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,879 paid up because of I know the history of the card, 128 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,360 and I know that mine came right from the original 129 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,439 owner to me, so the guy that pulled it from 130 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:51,959 the pack. So for me, that means a lot and 131 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,040 I paid up for that. So I do really think 132 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,399 that the providence is something that we would add value 133 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,240 to the card, and it would be great if if 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,800 I won that card, I would definitely like to have, 135 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:08,079 you know, the PSA put that on their redemption because 136 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,519 I think that that will add to the value. But 137 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,000 you know, it's a great idea. I wish that TOPS 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,279 would have thought of that and have done that already 139 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:17,079 for that one, and of course the rest of them, 140 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,600 like Maze that was also pulled, et cetera. 141 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 5: Knowing Golden as in Ken and his relationship with PSA, 142 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:28,279 I think he will have the card holdered in a 143 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,480 brand new slab just for the aesthetics of it. Regarding 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,720 the pedigree, if this was the Joe Orlando led collectors, 145 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,360 I think the pedigree would be there. I don't think 146 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:44,960 it's going to happen because collectors under that turner seems 147 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,480 not to like to create brand new pedigrees. And I 148 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:53,240 think when Golden sold the Pokemon card that what's his 149 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,399 name owned, I should know his name because my kids 150 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,399 used to watch him. They didn't have a pet agree 151 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,919 on that card either, and that was real and that 152 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:04,080 was a reholded card. 153 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,399 Speaker 6: Too, which Ken had done with the necklace on. 154 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,159 Speaker 5: So I don't think it's gonna get the pedigree, but 155 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,320 it will be refolded and it will help the value, 156 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,480 regardless of what's holded or not, I mean, whether it's 157 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,639 reholded or. 158 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,519 Speaker 6: Not, but it's gonna help. 159 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,399 Speaker 5: And then with the pedigree, I think it will go 160 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,759 for more if it had it, But people are always 161 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,720 going to remember about where the car came from, and 162 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,480 if it gets sold down the road, any auction house 163 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,120 will will mention that. 164 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, Cooner says, you know that those added things are 165 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:37,600 just let's scan the milk more money. 166 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:38,519 Speaker 2: At a buyer. 167 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,759 Speaker 1: I can't really disagree, but you know, give a little 168 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,600 story or backstory to the card itself. 169 00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:48,639 Speaker 2: I don't excuse me. 170 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't care either way because I don't have the card, 171 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:55,480 but maybe if I did, i'd feel a different sort 172 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:59,000 of way. But it probably would increase the value, if 173 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,679 you know, if you add me, would it it would? 174 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:04,639 So here's my next question, and this is to the 175 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,399 chat room as well as well as Orlando and Tony. 176 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,399 If you would have had pulled the redemption card, what 177 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,600 would have you done? In Orlando's case, he already has 178 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,080 a copy of this card, So his answer might vary 179 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,320 or maybe not. So I don't know who again, who 180 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,279 wants to go first? I'm gonna pull the slide off here. 181 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,240 But you know what would you have done if you 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,320 pulled the redemption? 183 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: Well, mean, yeah, I guess I'll go first with some 184 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:34,399 of the top of here. But yeah, for me, already 185 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,879 have my copy. I'm happy with my copy. It's actually 186 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,480 better center to that card, even though it's a lot 187 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,879 of lower grade. I don't have a you know, I 188 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:45,320 would have I would have redeemed the card first of all, 189 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:49,320 and I just sold the redemption certificate. I would have 190 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,759 redeemed the card, and then I would have sold the card. 191 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:53,679 If I can get a quarter of a million dollars 192 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,080 for that card, hey, I'll definitely do that and have 193 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,279 a huge credible budget to go to the national just 194 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,639 to pay off out of the bills, you know, pay 195 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:03,000 off my. 196 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 4: House with that. 197 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,799 Speaker 5: Since I don't have a fifty two tops Mantle, I 198 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:09,759 and if I would have pulled it, I would have 199 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,240 redeemed it and I would have kept it. Because buying 200 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,159 a fifty two tops Mantle right now it's extremely tough. 201 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 6: You might as well buy a Wagner. 202 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 5: To some extent, because you know, the same group of 203 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,639 five to ten dealers have a monopoly on all the cards. 204 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:28,080 It just makes it tough to win one at auction 205 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,639 unless you get lucky and you're able to buy one privately. 206 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:32,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. But there 207 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:34,720 was a mookie makes a great comment. 208 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: Right. 209 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: The actual redemption card itself will be worth something, right 210 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,600 because of what it signifies. But here's a question you 211 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,000 have to does tops take you know, top slash fanatics 212 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:49,200 take that back and then destroy it like? Or does 213 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,039 the does the person who pull they get it back? 214 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,799 Speaker 2: Still? Like, I don't know the Yeah, you know, I 215 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,759 know some redemption Do you have a code? 216 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: Uh you scratch off the code yet or in the 217 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,759 system and you have a used redemption card, which in 218 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:05,559 this case will have some value. 219 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,639 Speaker 2: But did they do I don't know. I don't think 220 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,080 they did. 221 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,799 Speaker 1: I don't think you're putting in the code for fifty 222 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:15,120 two time. I think that's more like, hey, contact us 223 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,159 at this number or something like that. 224 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: We need to card. 225 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: Like, I don't know where the redemption card winds up, 226 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:25,519 but if the puller gets to keep it, there's an 227 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,639 additional sale right in a sense, because you can sell 228 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,679 the Manto card itself and the Redemption card. So but 229 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:36,679 it's a great point by Mookie there. You don't even 230 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,200 think about that. Sometimes for me, I don't have this card, 231 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,399 I would sell it, whether that's sell the redemption, get 232 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,879 the actual card. 233 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,639 Speaker 2: And you know I would. 234 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,799 Speaker 1: I almost think i'd sell the redemption, guys. And here's why, 235 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,519 because then you don't have to worry about shipping the 236 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,799 actual card. Like if you redeem the card, get the mantle, 237 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:00,399 then sell it, then you got to ship fit and 238 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,320 cross you you know, be nervous it gets an ouption 239 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,000 house or wherever your whatever platform or way you are 240 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,840 selling it. So I think i'd sell the redemption, uh. 241 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:13,919 And I think I probably you know, I know, I know, Tony, 242 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,879 you said, you know it's getting harder to buy this 243 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,879 particular card. I'd buy a lesser grade for for you know, 244 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,799 lesser money, if you will, and like the Upstate Sports 245 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,159 card says, Uh, you know I'd buy. I'd buy a 246 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,759 lesser grade man and a bunch of other cards I 247 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:34,360 might target and maybe even put some money into the 248 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,720 bank or some stuff like that. So that's what I 249 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,279 do that way, you still get a mantle. It's not 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,720 the actual man of the redemption was for, but you 251 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:44,039 still you still have that. 252 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,399 Speaker 2: You check that box off. 253 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,159 Speaker 1: And you can check a bunch of other boxes off 254 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,159 at the same time. That's that's what I would sell. 255 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 5: It just became public that different couple's fifty two mantle, 256 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,600 which was nicely centered I think was a two point five. 257 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,960 It was that auption h Heritage maybe two or three 258 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,120 months ago. The purchaser of that made it public who 259 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:07,480 he is, So I'll just say Brady Hill Bolte card 260 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:12,559 it's his fourth bantle of various creeds. And if that 261 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,399 was like two hundred thousand, give or takes. So if 262 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,240 that two point five is two hundred or two twenty five, 263 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:21,519 and you have a five point five, even if you 264 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:24,080 cut that grade in half and you go to a two, 265 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,440 you're still spending, you know, depending on the ipeel, over. 266 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 6: One hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. 267 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:30,519 Speaker 2: So that's why I would. 268 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:32,399 Speaker 5: Just keep it instead of just playing the gamblin game 269 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:33,960 going for a lower copy. 270 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 271 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's toughless and it's a it's a nice problem 272 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:40,679 to have, right it sure is. Those are the kind 273 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:42,960 of those are the kind of problems I'd rather have 274 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,279 than some of the ones we actually get. But you know, 275 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:50,480 Bob Buzo says he needs a special chain to display 276 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:54,720 his redeem Manicott and walk around and show that bad boy. 277 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:57,879 Speaker 2: But who else we have? 278 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,039 Speaker 1: Fo File five Ball says, I keep my rough fifth 279 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,440 and keep this man, why not don't too? So he's like, hey, 280 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:07,919 I'm I'm not with Orlando. I'm keeping both of them. 281 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: So if you go ahead and definitely keep the redemption, 282 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,559 to keep the part that's part of the story, So 283 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:18,279 you keep it together, I think, and that's probably yeah. 284 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: Right here there there's Upstate. 285 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:23,639 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Upstate Sports Card says redeemed cards should be 286 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:28,039 sold along with the slag to create Yeah yeah. I mean, 287 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:30,200 there's lots of ways you can go. But I guess 288 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,320 the one thing that stood out to me, you know, 289 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,159 is how fast this seemed to get to market, Like 290 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,759 you know, and I get it, mate, we don't know 291 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,120 this father and son. Maybe they're not even vintage. Obviously 292 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,879 they're open twenty twenty six tops modern cards, so maybe 293 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:49,360 the vintage doesn't move their meter like it does ours. 294 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:51,679 Speaker 2: And a lot of the people in the chat room. No, 295 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,519 that's not a crime. 296 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: And they happen to pull it and they're like, you 297 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,759 know what, we don't have any vintage cards, so why 298 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:01,399 you know, this is a great one, but you know, 299 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:04,759 we're gonna cash out. And that's apparently what's what looks 300 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:09,200 like what they'd so Uh Babozo says, uh, start your 301 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 man O grade rainbow, good luck, good luck to you, 302 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:15,120 and Tony would say good luck to you too. Uh 303 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,559 but uh so yeah, so congrats to the father and 304 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:22,279 son that pulled it. Uh, they're gonna get a payday 305 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,919 anyway you slice it right. And you know, we'll see 306 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,399 what TOPS does in the future. We're gonna see, you know, 307 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:35,279 another iconic cards as a redemption. It's almost like they 308 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:38,000 have to do something. Maybe maybe not another man O, 309 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,759 but they almost you almost feel like each year of 310 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:44,320 Flagship they're gonna have to do another card, whatever that 311 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,000 card uh may be. So it'll be interesting to see 312 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:51,000 what they do. Might be hard to top. That's sort 313 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,279 of like, you know, the godfather of TOPS cards, But 314 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:55,799 we'll see what. 315 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: Uh don't remember this is a series one. I think 316 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,600 that would series too. They were also gonna insert other 317 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,200 vintage cards in their other redemption cards for vintage. 318 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But what I'm saying is even like 319 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:13,839 for like twenty twenty seven Series one, what direction? Obviously 320 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,759 I think in the series two you're not gonna get 321 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:19,240 more mantles. But you know, they always try to create 322 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:22,160 that buzz. There's already a buzz, but they sort of 323 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,400 up the anti the mantle this year, like what will 324 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,119 they do next year as well? So Tony wants a 325 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,279 tops Tiffany Steve Jelt So if you. 326 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,519 Speaker 5: Listens as redemption as the redemption. 327 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mookie says, I don't know how old the sun 328 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,319 was in this case, but he's Mookie says, I worry 329 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,920 my son would cash out cut off his father too 330 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,200 any time. My son's twenty six. He does collect cards 331 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:52,960 a little bit, but. 332 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: Not I got on the same weightlet that I do. 333 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: So again, you know, if I pull this card and 334 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,720 sold that, I'd buy him something. 335 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: I'd buy him something. Put it that way. 336 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 6: So Bob just brought up a good point. 337 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: Sorry I know there, Yeah, go ahead, but uh, same 338 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:12,680 thing that happened with the fifty two mini old back 339 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,200 in ninety one and also the Hannus Wagner card. Two 340 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,559 people to winners couldn't get couldn't keep the car. It's 341 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:23,640 because of the IRS taxes, So that's may have maybe 342 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,319 the story here. 343 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, that's a good point because I'll 344 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:32,759 even it's not card related, but my wife's cousin was 345 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:36,519 on the price is right and they won an expensive 346 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:38,799 car and they didn't need a car. They had cars, 347 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:41,480 and rather than pay the taxes, they just sold the 348 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:43,960 car that they want on the prices. So it's not 349 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,960 it's not cards, it was a car, but the same 350 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,920 concept right to get out, like I don't want to 351 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,799 pay taxes, I don't need another car. Our cars are fine, 352 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,079 and they just sold it. They never even took ownership 353 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:58,880 and never they just you know, sold the title and 354 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,160 I don't know how to the whole deal went down, 355 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,640 but they never took possession of the car. They went 356 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,119 on the prices, right, So so yeah, that's a great point, right, 357 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,240 you know, depending on where is the taxes you pay 358 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:16,480 based on the state you live or where tops it. 359 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:20,839 Speaker 2: Like, how does that work? No, Tony Orlando, I'm not sure. 360 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: Probably by the state I would have me. 361 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: But you know, the one that pulled the Honus Wagner, 362 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,880 I think it was a post woman, post postman or 363 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,079 a post lady from Florida because it was and she 364 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,559 sold it immediately because of the taxes, Yeah, it might 365 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,400 be like a bonus for you have to pay the 366 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:43,440 federal tax and then state comes into you too. So yeah, 367 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,079 and they did say I RS so and that's usually federal. 368 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,759 Speaker 2: Yeah all right, guys. 369 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,279 Speaker 1: Well, so you know, congrats to the people who pulled it, 370 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,559 and they're going to have a financial windfall from it, 371 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,200 you know, and I hope they use it wisely. And 372 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,440 you know, again, I don't know how how all the 373 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,759 sun is his twenties is the young son. Maybe his 374 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,480 college education could be paid for and then some but 375 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:10,160 or they could just you know, cash out and buy 376 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,799 a bunch more twenty twenty top swax. There's no shortage 377 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:19,279 of it, so so and up State Sports says you 378 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,079 can get out of payment system. 379 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: With the IRS. 380 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:25,599 Speaker 1: That is true, I know, even with sales tax, like 381 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,519 if you owe a lot of sales tax. 382 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: Like a payment schedule. So there you all right, guys. 383 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: So the next story here that we're going to cover 384 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,960 is and it's not as big as the one we 385 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,279 just talked about, but you know, CTCA Certified Trading Card 386 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:50,599 Association is launching a global trading card registry system where 387 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:54,240 you know, you can upload your certain numbers. You can 388 00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:58,039 report like if your graded cards were stolen someone who's 389 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,440 going to buy a large deal, maybe they get a 390 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,839 bad vibe. They can cross reference to make sure that 391 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,880 these cards are not on the stolen UH list. 392 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,759 Speaker 2: It's and and the CTCA. 393 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,759 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of programs that they want to 394 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:15,759 implement besides this one. 395 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:17,839 Speaker 2: This was the one we're going to talk about today. 396 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,079 Speaker 1: But they want to do like a you know, certified 397 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,799 Retailer UH certified breaker where people it's almost like a. 398 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: Better business bureau where as long as you. 399 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: Do everything above board, you would be on the certified list, 400 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,519 full transparency. I'm a very honest guy, so I want 401 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,680 to I want to state this so someone doesn't say, oh, nicee, 402 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,720 you to mention them, but you didn't mention the second part. 403 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:44,359 The second part is this. They are a sponsor of 404 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,079 Sports Cardination and I am on the board of directors. 405 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:50,799 I haven't attended a board meet yet. They've only had 406 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000 one UH and there I'll be at the second one. 407 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:58,759 So here's my thing, guys, Before I kind of let 408 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,759 you guys do I'm for anything that can make the 409 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:07,000 hobby a safer and better place, and you know, so 410 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,119 I'll support that as someone who sets up at show still, 411 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:14,799 I've been a show dealer since the age of fifteen 412 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:20,039 who does things above board, and I support anything that 413 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,240 wants to make the hobby safer and better and that's 414 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,000 really their goal. Guys, kend of your thoughts, and I 415 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,759 know I'll start with Atlanto because you said, you know, 416 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:31,680 I want to get proper credit, right. I think you 417 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,599 mentioned Orlando, what is it? A Tiffany Cards has a 418 00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,440 list as well. 419 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, of course with all of the 420 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,200 cards going up, you know, theft has become a big thing, 421 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,920 not just that shows, but also at card shop and 422 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,839 almost every week you hear of a card shop somewhere 423 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,119 that's broken into and stuff is stolen from there. And 424 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,680 I think that it's a great thing for a CTCA 425 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,680 to be able to post cards that have been stolen 426 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:04,240 either from you or you know personally, or from dealers. 427 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,039 I mean, what happened to Ash a few years ago 428 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,519 was just horrendous, and you know it's hard to recover 429 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,119 cards like that, and I know a lot of guys 430 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,359 are going to say those cards probably were cracked out 431 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,960 or submitted, but you know, many of those cards were 432 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:26,000 probably just resold somewhere in some marketplace or just somewhere 433 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,400 out there, or maybe even to other dealers. So I 434 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,359 think it's a great idea for someone to be able 435 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,160 to put cards that have been stolen somewhere on a website, 436 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160 especially when you're talking higher end cards. If you're going 437 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,440 to buy a card that's you know, five figure or 438 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,079 six figure card, you know, I think it's a good 439 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,640 thing to go out there and check to make sure 440 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,319 you're not buying a stolen card, and especially when a 441 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:50,839 lot of these cards are going to be sold for 442 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,359 way under market valley because they were stolen. So I 443 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,960 think that, you know, anything you could do to recover 444 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,880 some of these cards is great for the hobby. And 445 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,279 even better, I think the Tiffany Cards site which is 446 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,759 going to have both stolen cards, but more importantly, they're 447 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,599 gonna have altered cards, and it's already up. You can 448 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,000 go ahead to go on that Tiffany cards dot Com 449 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,440 I think it is and just look at look through 450 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,920 there and you can see altered cards. So if you're 451 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,720 gonna buy a card. It's always good to search there, 452 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,880 you know. I know that they have a lot of 453 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,480 that stuff, you know, other websites. You know, I can't 454 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,599 remember right now, not just net fifty four, but I 455 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,920 can't remember any of the other side. 456 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 6: There's a there's a there's a few of them currently. 457 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 5: So they have a I just saw that they got 458 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,160 stolen cards dot info, which is okay, they got card legit. 459 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,079 Then you got the typical forms like like what you 460 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,400 just talked about, and now you have the new player 461 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:49,920 in the in the in the game. 462 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think, you know, it's a great thing 463 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,200 people should look. If you're gonna buy a high end card, 464 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:58,079 you know, take a look at it. Make sure it's 465 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,359 not stolen, because you know what, if you you buy 466 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,160 a stolen card, eventually it gets found out and it 467 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,359 comes back to you. 468 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: You know, you have to probably return that card. 469 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:08,039 Speaker 2: That's it. 470 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what happened to me. 471 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us I have a story 472 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,799 with Durham from my store days, Tony, I don't know 473 00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:17,480 if you want to share. 474 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 6: Police. 475 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,079 Speaker 1: So I had a card store many moons ago ago, 476 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,480 but years ago, and I had a person come into 477 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,000 the store say, hey, do you buy cards? I said, always, 478 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,880 you know, I'll take a look. I bought I don't know, 479 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,480 five to seven cards. I don't remember all of them. 480 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,200 It was probably like a Henderson rookie. I seem to 481 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,559 stand out. I'm in New York, so I think there 482 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,039 was a couple of manly rookies in there. They had 483 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,359 a lot of New York flavor to it. So I 484 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,440 bought like five or six cards, put them out, and literally, 485 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,920 I don't know if it was the next day or 486 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,880 two days later, two uniformed police offers came up. I 487 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,319 was on the second floor in the building. They came 488 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,759 up the stairs and they had had a printed uh 489 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,359 you know, none of the cards were grated, but they 490 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,759 had a printed piece of paper with the five or 491 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,440 six cards on it and said, these cards were stolen. 492 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,160 We have uh you know, we have we think that 493 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,640 they might have. You might have bought them on you know, 494 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,079 you didn't know they were stolen. And I'm you know, 495 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,640 like I said, I'm very transparent. I said, yeah, I literally, 496 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,839 they're just put out. I did buy this lot. And 497 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,319 they're like, we know who stole them, and they had 498 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,960 a picture of the gentleman and they're like, there was 499 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,440 this the guy you bought these from, like it is 500 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,440 and they're like, well, I hate to tell you this. 501 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: Uh you know, John, we're gonna need those cards. 502 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:41,839 Speaker 1: So I had to you know, pull them out from 503 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,559 the showcase, give the officers to cards. 504 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: They gave me like an. 505 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: Affidavid of taking them a pick, you know, all all 506 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,440 the paperwork. And they basically I said, well, well, you're like, 507 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720 how does this work? Like am I out the money 508 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200 I paid for him? They're like, here's what's gonna happen. 509 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,079 We're gonna arrest this individual, will prosecute him. He's gonna 510 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,640 have to pay restitution, and then you'll get you'll get 511 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,440 your money back. 512 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:08,839 Speaker 2: And so. 513 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: Six months later, to make a long store. Six months later, 514 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,960 everything was resolved. I don't know you got any jail time. 515 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,640 I would venture not, but he had to pay back 516 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:23,920 the money and I got a check on police, you know, 517 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:29,000 a police check for thet what I paid. But in 518 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,079 a sense, for six months I was out the money 519 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,480 with nothing to show for it until the police check came. So, uh, 520 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,400 you know, that's that's the story. 521 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: So you gotta be careful if you buy. 522 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't know they were stolen guys, But 523 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,279 that's the risk you take, right, So anything that if 524 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,519 you you know, I didn't really get a weird vibe 525 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,039 necessarily on that purchase. But there's been other times when 526 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:57,880 I'm I'm you know, dealing with someone where something feels 527 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,799 off right, and and especially if it's a your purchase 528 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,559 and you want to just err on the side of caution, 529 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,319 and you have a tool that you know can maybe 530 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,480 save you from something like that happening ahead of time, 531 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,559 why not, right, It's especially if it's free, it's free 532 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,319 to use, why not utilize it? 533 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,599 Speaker 2: Right? 534 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,519 Speaker 1: If it saves you one time, or saves anybody one time, right, 535 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:25,000 it's well worth what it costs, which is nothing nothing 536 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,559 to the user. I mean obviously, you know you got 537 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,559 to pay your website fees and all that, but as 538 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,559 far as the user price, you know, it's nice that 539 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:35,680 that tool is available. 540 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,359 Speaker 2: Go ahead, and if anyone wants to your story. 541 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say so the Great So the 542 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,440 Global Trading Card Registry's great. I typed in assert of 543 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,599 a car that I purchased in early twenty twenty four. 544 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,720 It was a name, It's Rookie. It was in a 545 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,160 PSA three point five. So I'm actually looking get the 546 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,960 card right now. I checked the cert note issues. I 547 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,400 bought it in February of that year. It was like 548 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,759 a birthday gift for myself. Then later in March, I 549 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,079 realized I forgot to put it inside my PSA set registry, 550 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,599 not for a set of registry purposes, just so it's 551 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,240 tied to my account so in case if anything does happen, 552 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:15,759 I'll know, you know, I'll get a verification. 553 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 6: So when I did that in late. 554 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,759 Speaker 5: March, not even a month later, month and a half later, 555 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,359 I've realized that it's the SERT was deactivated along with 556 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200 other cards, and so I called up collectors and they 557 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,599 said police report was filed with other vintage football cards. 558 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,079 And so I asked them, well, okay, what do I 559 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,720 do with this card? And this was twenty twenty four, 560 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:43,680 so I'm sure collectors has a different policy now. They 561 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,559 just said, uh, just return the card back to the 562 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,279 person who you bought it from. I asked, well, what 563 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,880 if I can I we give it back to the 564 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000 owner of the card. We don't have a process in 565 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,759 place for that. And then unless it's in the same 566 00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:01,680 slab with the same SERT. So a week later I 567 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,359 find out these cars are now in SGC slabs. 568 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:04,799 Speaker 2: Now. 569 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: Also part of the police report had a Bronco in 570 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400 the Jerski PSA one in their toe, so I found 571 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,359 that card also, and I sent collectors pictures of both 572 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,599 cards that said, we can't do anything with these, even 573 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,519 though both cards had unique identifying marks, increases and centering. 574 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:25,799 Speaker 6: And then when you go to the PSA. 575 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 5: Website, they don't keep, they don't archive the photos of 576 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,640 cards that had deactivated SERTs. So with this new solution 577 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,559 John that you're talking about, if they keep the pictures 578 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,200 of the cards on there and their high resolution scans 579 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,599 as much as what you can get for the people 580 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,799 that are reporting the card stolen, I think it's great 581 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,200 because even if it finds its way into a different slab, 582 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,880 there's unique identifying marks, stains, gumstains, creases. At least there's 583 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 a chance you can go to the authorities and now 584 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,880 you say, oh, my card is in this different slab. 585 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,319 Speaker 6: Now here's a new SYRP, but it's still my card. 586 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,720 I think it's gonna help the hobby, Yeah. 587 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:02,119 Speaker 2: No doubt. 588 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,599 Speaker 1: Here's the here's a comment from foul five foul five ball. 589 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Apparently there was something next you in my copy. I 590 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,200 think this is towards me with the story I told 591 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,200 about those five or six stolen cards. He says, stolen 592 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,559 question mark. Do they have proof that it was those 593 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,440 exact cards? 594 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: The proof was yeah. 595 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean they weren't greated, so there was no certain numbers. 596 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,039 But again they weren't gemman cards. So like the pictures 597 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:28,519 matched the card like with like, if there was a 598 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,720 slightly dinged corners, it was the exact corner. 599 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: And then they had a picture of the gentleman. 600 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: Uh they were looking for, which was the gentleman I 601 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200 bought the card, So every everything matched up. 602 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:41,799 Speaker 2: The backstory too. 603 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: To add one more wrinkle, Uh, the gentleman who stole 604 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400 the cards stole it from someone he knew. It wasn't 605 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,240 like he broke in the store. It was an acquaintance 606 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,480 of him. Of his I'd say, friend, but you don't. 607 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,440 You shouldn't be stealing at all, and let alone friends. 608 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680 So he took the cards from someone he knew that 609 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,480 person and reported to the police. 610 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,519 Speaker 2: They got a picture. 611 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,319 Speaker 1: Of them, and so every everything cross referenced and matched up. 612 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Had it not, I probably would have been more like, hey, how. 613 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,799 Speaker 2: Do we know? You know these are these? But it 614 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,440 was the exact. 615 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Six cards, you know, it wasn't three or four. Was 616 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,920 every card I bought. They had, you know, the print 617 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,359 out of and the picture of the person I bought 618 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,920 the cards from. So in the end, like I said, 619 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,640 six months later, I was, I got my money back. 620 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,319 But it was that six months like you paid money 621 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,559 and you have now you don't have the cards either. 622 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: So but you know that's the chance you take. 623 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: And the person who the cards went back to the 624 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,680 original owner and I had to wait the six months 625 00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,799 to get what I paid for the cards back. So 626 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,599 had a happy ending in the end. It just took 627 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,799 six months to get there. So there you go. 628 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know those things happened. And so the 629 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,039 altered card issues. You know, the website I was thinking 630 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,000 about was Blowout Cards, who they put out a whole 631 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,799 list of altered cards. And you know that helped me 632 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,480 years ago because I had purchased you. 633 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,599 Speaker 4: Know, I'm big with the eighteen eighty eight. 634 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: Good Win Champion cards and I've got the whole set there. 635 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,920 So as I was upgrading my set, I purchased some 636 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,799 cards many years ago from PWCC. Unfortunately, and checking the 637 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,440 Blowout forum, I found out that some of them, a 638 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,880 few of them were cleaned, they were altered, and you know, 639 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000 unfortunately I didn't get an opportunity to do anything about 640 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,880 it because of PWCC going out of business and all that. 641 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,960 And even though I sent them, you know, the information, 642 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,680 you know, I think it was Betsy over there, you know, 643 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480 said I needed more proof. I don't know what more proof, 644 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,640 but you know, so when the Tiffany cards came out 645 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,119 with their altered card list, you know, I'm always up 646 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,519 to checking all of my cards from that set, especially 647 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,559 they're so old and they could be cleaned. And as 648 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,440 I looked up, you know, I saw that they had 649 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,280 a Beacher card, which is the first football card ever 650 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960 to come out, and they had a PSA five. I 651 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,280 was altered, and I have a PSA five. So I 652 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,039 went to check and course it wasn't mine minus clean 653 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,440 minus fine, thank god. But you know, it showed there 654 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,519 that that PSA five used to be a two and 655 00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:29,760 a half and they literally have pictures of it as a. 656 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 4: Two and a half with the glue stain. 657 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 3: In the back, and then it was cleaned and now 658 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,880 it's a five and a PSA holder, and it went 659 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,239 from an SGC two and a half to a PSA five. 660 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:41,480 So you know, those are things that if you're going 661 00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,679 to spend money on a card like that, which is 662 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,000 a pretty expensive card, you need to be very, very careful. 663 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,719 And you know, I've been screwed in the past, and 664 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,519 I want to make sure that anybody that you know 665 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,239 is going to buy a card that is rather expensive. 666 00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,639 Check blowout Tack, tiffany cards. Check to make sure that 667 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,920 that card, you know again, is not stolen and more importantly, 668 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,840 is not altered. 669 00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's it's a great point. 670 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: And obviously some of these cards go for right, I 671 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,199 mean the story I told you know memory certainly correct. 672 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,599 There was a couple hundred bucks at the time, which 673 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,360 years ago was more than a couple hundred bucks today, 674 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,920 but still wasn't thousands of dollars in the sense where 675 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,840 a lot of transactions are at today. On File five, 676 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,840 Bulls says, Yeah, you're lucky to get your money back 677 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,079 from the cops. 678 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,599 Speaker 2: It's a great point. And even after like four or. 679 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,159 Speaker 1: Five months, I'm like, I'm probably out this money, Like 680 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,800 hadn't heard nothing. Every once in a while, I called 681 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,639 the police office and just try to get an update, 682 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,960 and they're like, we've made the arrest. It's got to 683 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,039 go through the court system. The judges got to issue 684 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,559 you know, his proclamation and then the restitution. So there 685 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,840 was different points. I'm like, I'm probably never going to 686 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,360 see my money back, but six months later I did 687 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,000 get it back. 688 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: But sometimes, like. 689 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Filefly Ball says, that's not always what happened if they 690 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,639 don't either catch the person. Uh you know, in this case, 691 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880 you know, they caught him, but that's not always the case. Uh, 692 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,519 And so you know, I was fortunate. I guess uh 693 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,760 that uh that it had a good ending for for 694 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,039 everybody except for the thief. 695 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: Right, the ending wasn't as good for him. 696 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,159 Speaker 1: But the original owner of the cards got his six 697 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000 cards back. I got my money back, and I'm not 698 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,679 sure what punishment. I'm gonna guess probation, you know, or 699 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,239 something like that. Community service. Maybe he had to go 700 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,440 pick up some trash on the side of the highway. 701 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. That wasn't privy. Uh. The only thing 702 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,079 they told me was they caught him. 703 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,159 Speaker 1: He was prosecute, he plea bargained whatever, that looks like 704 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960 and so, uh, you know, that's that's that story. 705 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 2: So never a knock on wood. I've never had that. 706 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: Happen again, whether at the store or even as a dealer. 707 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,920 But again, it's nice to have tools, right, I do 708 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,199 buy cards all the time if you just get a 709 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,639 weird feeling, even if you don't get a weird feeling, 710 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,079 if it's a large transaction and you just want to 711 00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,400 err on the side of caution and look some of 712 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,719 these cards up just to make sure there's nothing funny 713 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000 going on with them. And again, you could look them 714 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,960 up on a database and not find nothing, and it 715 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,360 could still I mean, that's the chance you take. It's 716 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,280 not one hundred percent foolproof. But it's nice that there 717 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,880 is a tool there that maybe can prevent you from 718 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,360 losing money or getting taken right. So, all right, guys, 719 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,679 another topic we're gonna get into. And I know Tony, 720 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,679 you gotta you gotta run. You got some things going 721 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,880 on at home. I appreciate you today. Yeah, we can 722 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,639 get Yeah, so we got the you know, enfranchising of 723 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,079 lcs's right, but we're seeing some of the lcs's take, 724 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,280 you know, in Jeff Wilson and card HQ case. I 725 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,000 know he's not everyone's favorite. He's taking investment money and 726 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:10,320 plans on opening more card HQ's across across the nation. 727 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: Uh. 728 00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,679 Speaker 1: And we've seen other stores right the road show at 729 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:19,920 different locations and others. I probably forget someone unintentional, but 730 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,159 we're seeing you know, you know, stores kind of the 731 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,559 same store, just franchise and being a location. The next gentleman, 732 00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,679 I'm actually gonna bring my friend Rex goach you'r on? 733 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,559 Speaker 2: Uh? 734 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: And he uh, he has two stores, uh. 735 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 2: One in Indiana and in Michigan. I wanted, I said, 736 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:37,760 who better? 737 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about this topic, who better 738 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,320 someone that owns more than one store? And I what 739 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,119 he thinks of this corporate corporalization if that's not eaten 740 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,000 up of lcs's is it good? 741 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 2: Is it bad? 742 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,639 Speaker 1: Does it hurt the little guy so to speak? 743 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,079 Speaker 2: Uh? 744 00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: You know what? What is his thoughts? So I'm gonna 745 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,039 bring Rex on now, uh as well? So morning, sir. 746 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,559 Speaker 7: Hey guys, thanks for having me. 747 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 8: I'm in the shop today, so if I'm needed, I 748 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,239 might have to jump up and yeah, and so pardon 749 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,000 me if that happens. 750 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 7: But it's usually kind of slow in the morning, so 751 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,639 we'll see what happens. 752 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, another one someone met, you know card involved the 753 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,079 Tom Brady deal. We're seeing more of those pop up 754 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:24,440 in cities, especially close to like sporting stadiums and arenas 755 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,880 and that sort of thing. 756 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:27,159 Speaker 2: You know. 757 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: I brought this up with as a topic on pre like, 758 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,239 you know, oversaturation of card shows. Can we get there 759 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,239 where card stores like, I'm an LCS guy as a 760 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,559 former owner one, I just talked about that there's nothing 761 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,599 beats it in person transaction. I think Rex and most 762 00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,679 of us are here and in the jet room will agree. Yes, 763 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,639 it's it's convenient to buy cards on eBay or an 764 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:53,559 auction house or online, but nothing beats it in person 765 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:57,039 transaction where you either buy or sell that card, get 766 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,880 to the money instantly, or get the card right there, 767 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,800 that's in your hand, you can look at it up close. 768 00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,039 So I'm an l c S guy. I think they're 769 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,880 so important and vital to the hobby. But can we 770 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000 get to you know, a place where maybe we have 771 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:17,119 too many or the corporate feel of it maybe is 772 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:20,119 a bit much. I'll start with you, Rex, I mean 773 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:21,840 you have, like I said, you have two stores. 774 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,199 Speaker 2: You're not so much. Not really, I don't know. I 775 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:24,960 don't think you'd. 776 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,679 Speaker 1: Called a franchise. You just have two locations. I'll let 777 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,719 you speak to that. But your thoughts on kind of 778 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,639 this current trend when it comes. 779 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:44,519 Speaker 2: To your thoughts on current trend when it comes. 780 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 7: Sorry, John, having some audio. 781 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm hearing myself again. Yeah, I'm hearing myself again. 782 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 7: So I've lost a volume on the phone. 783 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:55,119 Speaker 4: So hold on. 784 00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 7: Sorry. 785 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's while you're working on that, Rex, we'll 786 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,719 start would Orlando. 787 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,679 Speaker 2: I mean, your thoughts on this, you. 788 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 8: Know, hello, all right, let me jump out and then 789 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,039 come back in. 790 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:10,199 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, so Orlando again, Like it's kind 791 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:11,519 of what are your feelings here? 792 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, John, I mean, you know, it just seems like, 793 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:18,360 you know, all these bigger companies and it's not just 794 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,079 Tom Brady. Now you're going to have Lewis Hamilton coming 795 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,800 in and opening up a bunch of shops also, and 796 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,599 of course Jeff Wilson, and you know, it's just a 797 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:34,000 shame that fanatics and Tops fanatics basically is looks like 798 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:35,480 to me, they're kind of trying to. 799 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 4: Drive out the smaller lcs. 800 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,559 Speaker 3: And you know, they're limiting a lot of the distribution 801 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,599 of the new products and focusing more on giving it 802 00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:48,000 to the bigger guys and the breakers. So it's kind 803 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,320 of disappointing, and I think it's going to hurt a 804 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,199 lot of the smaller guys like Rex, who even though 805 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,239 he's got two locations, you know, that's not considered one 806 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,679 of the type of guys that Fanatics wants. They've become 807 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,519 so picky with who they accept. You know, you have 808 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,480 to have a lot of media social media presence now 809 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,559 you have to share almost. 810 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 4: All of your records with them. 811 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 3: You know, they're limiting the distribution of new products to 812 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:16,760 the smaller guys. So you know, I feel bad for 813 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,719 the small guys like Rex that you know, they may 814 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,599 be driven out because of the the way that Fanatics 815 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:26,800 is focusing on some of these much bigger and main 816 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,599 brand type Tom Brady's and Lewis Hamilton's and Jeff Wilson's. 817 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:31,559 Speaker 2: Of the world. 818 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,599 Speaker 4: I think we got Rex back. I'd like to hear 819 00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:34,280 his opinion. 820 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rex, you, I mean your thoughts on this sort 821 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,760 of I don't want to say. 822 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 7: Sorry, guys, I can't let me try this one. 823 00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let me. Well, here's what I think, 824 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,320 what do you think? I kind of agree with you 825 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,639 earlier though, I think you know it's you here. You know, 826 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,800 obviously Tops is not short printing a lot of their product, 827 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,239 especially on their their lower end. I don't know if 828 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,639 there is a lower end anymore, but they're they're base 829 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,119 my if you will, to use a car term, right, 830 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,840 flagship and and it's everywhere right. 831 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:07,199 Speaker 4: Uh. 832 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: Someone a buddy of mine who knows that what I do, 833 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,679 he went to the true value hardware store to buy something. 834 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,960 He went a project at his house and he sent 835 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,519 me a picture and it was a whole section. Wasn't 836 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,280 even just it was a whole section of wax like 837 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,559 you'd see it like Walmart or Target. And he's like, 838 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,880 I'm at the hardware store, man, Nick. There we even 839 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,239 got like a section of sports cards. Like that's that's crazy, 840 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,800 and uh, but that's where we're at. So like, but 841 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,639 then you hear people like my local store here is 842 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:43,400 called Gideon's Gallery, h run by two gentlemen, really nice guys, 843 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,320 and for for a long time they couldn't even get 844 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,559 direct with Tops. And I think, so I worry about that. Right, 845 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,079 You're going to have like ten franchise stores of one 846 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,519 company like tom Brady, maybe ten card HQs, and you 847 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:01,280 know they're all going to have direct with with fanatics, right, 848 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,039 so they're going to get the product at all those stores. 849 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,719 But you know, guys that are really putting a lot 850 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,400 of elbow grease and hard work and determination and might 851 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,719 have to wait years, and like the story Metrowa Gideons, 852 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,599 they had to wait years. They are they are online 853 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,679 with tops, but even now they're like they can't get everything. 854 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,599 They're only allotted a certain amount and of only certain products, 855 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,599 and not all those products are the big winners, as 856 00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,119 we would say in the hobby. So that's my fear, right, 857 00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,960 it's for those people who are doing really the trench 858 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,039 work that they're going to sort of be like on 859 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,480 the outside looking in and they're trying to build their 860 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,159 business organically, and you know, you know I have to 861 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,440 use you know, Tom Brady doesn't need the money. And 862 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,440 listen to when we talk about the card wall, tom Brady, 863 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,639 he's paid it, he's charging a license. He's not like 864 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:58,199 he's always at the store sorting cards. So keep that 865 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,760 as well. So I think we got rex again. Let's 866 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:03,039 third time the chart. 867 00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:07,639 Speaker 8: Maybe I hope so I kept losing audio. Every time 868 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,800 you would let me join, the audio would go off. 869 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,519 Speaker 7: I can hear you. So I switched devices. 870 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so you know me and Arland, I'll 871 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,280 sort of wait in here. 872 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: But you you know I used to own a cards 873 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,360 to a Rex, as you know, I don't now you 874 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,280 have two, like I said, two states kind of close, 875 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,639 you know, in the vicinity of other each other. But 876 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:34,800 your thoughts on this franchising of lcs's good bad both. 877 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,159 Speaker 2: How does it affect you or not affect you? 878 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,119 Speaker 7: Well, I think it's interesting. 879 00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 8: It's sort of inevitable, you know, from for fanatics to 880 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,079 know their stated goal to uh ten x the hobby 881 00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:51,599 to really push cards out in a lot of different 882 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,199 a lot of different ways. But if you look at 883 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:59,599 our Cigar Valparaiso location, for example, town of about thirty 884 00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:03,440 five thousand people, and right in our market, in that 885 00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,599 market in Valparaiso, we have us. We have a second 886 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:13,639 card shop that that's a competitor. We have Walmart, Meyer, Target, Barnes, 887 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:18,960 and Noble game Stop I probably forgetting Ace Hardware, Dick 888 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,559 Sporting Goods, all selling cards to the same thirty five 889 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,119 thousand dollars thirty five thousand people market and whatever visitors 890 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:27,679 are and. 891 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 7: We all currently peacefully coexist. 892 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,079 Speaker 8: But there's a big difference between a hobby shop, as 893 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,000 you guys know, and a Target or a Walmart. You know, 894 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,199 other than the other LCS, the experience that you're going 895 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,519 to get buying cards, even at like a Dix or 896 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,280 a ACE hardware for righting out loud, is going to 897 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,239 be much different. 898 00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 7: Than the experience you're going to get in an LCS. 899 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,559 Speaker 8: From from a standpoint from fanatics, I mean, their stated 900 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,079 goal of ten axing. 901 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 7: The hobby is one thing, but they've also been very clear. 902 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 8: That they've believe the best way to attract and retain 903 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:11,159 new collectors is through a well functioning local card shop. 904 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,079 They're very clear they recognize that the experience that you're 905 00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,760 going to get in a Target or a big box 906 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,400 is not going to necessarily keep you in the hobby. 907 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,280 Speaker 7: Most of those people don't know anything about cards. 908 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,079 Speaker 8: They don't actively buy and sell singles, which is a 909 00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,360 huge part of the business. As you know, it's not 910 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,000 just about selling wax, which is really what those guys 911 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:34,280 are doing, and LCS does it all. So I think 912 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,800 it's sort of inevitable that you'll get the big players 913 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,199 like you know, Tom Brady and card dates Q to 914 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:45,800 spread their wings and open more lcs's of a bigger variety. 915 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,039 I think the pain point for them is going to 916 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:53,800 be staffing, quality, staffing, finding the talent to run these 917 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,079 operations like a local card shop. As you guys know, 918 00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,480 it's not the easiest thing to do to people the 919 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:03,440 number one that are that you can trust, but you 920 00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:05,599 also have to be able to make the financial decisions 921 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,440 on a daily basis of buying, selling, and trading that 922 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,719 will impact your business. 923 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,119 Speaker 7: And if you don't have the right people in. 924 00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,679 Speaker 8: Place to do that, it's a big part of the 925 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,440 ecosystem that will that will be lost. 926 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point too with the singles Rex right, 927 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,239 that was you know, even back in my dad obviously 928 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,840 singles and wax and this was the junk wax era, 929 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,400 so I had I had. 930 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 2: Flear calling me every other day. 931 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: You want more cases of ninety two Flear, you know, 932 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,239 the ugly green stuff that's still ugly even thirty four 933 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,639 years later. But is a great point, right that the 934 00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,599 and plus besides the singles rex right, and you know 935 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,239 this or Lando knows as people. Right, the conversations you 936 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,320 have well with the owners of the shop or the 937 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,880 employees of the store. 938 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,159 Speaker 2: And then the other customers. 939 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,639 Speaker 1: Right, that camaraderie, that fraternity of the hobby that you 940 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,280 get uh inn n l cs not in you know 941 00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,760 necessarily a Target or Walmart or a hardware store that 942 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000 is selling a wax boxes. Do you you know there 943 00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,079 was a comment let me see if I can find it, 944 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,960 let me Yeah, go ahead, yeah. 945 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,119 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 946 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,119 Speaker 3: You know we we hear that fanatics is encouraging a 947 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,320 lot of the smaller lcs to do more social media, 948 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,039 to have breaking side, you know, things like that so 949 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:33,119 they can continue to get more distribution. Are they, you know, 950 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,559 pushing you to do more of that kind of stuff? 951 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 4: Rex? 952 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,320 Speaker 8: Not necessarily. What they have is a they have a 953 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,599 seller scorecard. I think it's called a seller scorecard. So 954 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,039 there's a lot of different things that factor into it 955 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,719 that impact your allocations. 956 00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 957 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 8: The biggest one is how much you spend with them 958 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,519 both on way one, well sometimes there's more than two 959 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:57,400 waves Way one, Wave two, sometimes Wave three. Also, you know, 960 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,719 are you participating in their other parts of their business 961 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,519 there supplies that they sell. Are you consigning with fanatics 962 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:09,880 collect are you are you setting up at you know, 963 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,920 their their event, you know every year, uh, fanatics Fest. 964 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,440 And then also are you buying memorabilia through Fanatics? All 965 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,760 those things can impact your scorecard. But beyond that, the 966 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,239 way your store looks, how well organized it is. Do 967 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,119 you participate in ribnites and other special events and promote 968 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,760 actively promote tops products via your social channels, your websites, 969 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,119 over and so on. So it's all, it's all part 970 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:41,760 of it. They're not dictating, hey, you must do this 971 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,239 x y Z. It's just you know, look, the people 972 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,519 that are doing all those things in a big way 973 00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,679 are getting the most allocate and if you choose not 974 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,360 to do one or more, just understand that it's going 975 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000 to impact your you know, so far, they've treated us 976 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,360 very well. I I, you know, not in every case. 977 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,760 I don't love the dynamic pricing piece, but that's the 978 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,559 ways of the world. 979 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 7: Now. 980 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,760 Speaker 8: Uh, they have you know, been very clear that you know, 981 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,599 they they they're not opening any any more new accounts 982 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:12,920 for the foreseeable future. They said they may open it 983 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:18,320 up the application process to new stores after the national 984 00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:20,719 I'm not sure why that was the timeline, but That's 985 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,159 what they stated a few months ago. 986 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,280 Speaker 7: But yeah, allocations are tight. 987 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:31,159 Speaker 8: Everybody wants their product, and you know there's no shortage 988 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,599 of companies like ours lining up to try to get it. 989 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,559 Speaker 1: So here's a question, Rex, Like, so you've mentioned how 990 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:41,119 they've sort of locked or closed, you know, new accounts 991 00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:45,039 and being able to get online for products, right, but 992 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,400 then you have like, let's use card HQ because of 993 00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,800 you know, their planning to really go across country with 994 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000 investment money from investment. 995 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 2: Firms and seed money. 996 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: Should they be a lot like if he's already and 997 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,760 I'm sure he is, if you're already with Tops and 998 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,599 you open nine stores, do those should those nine new 999 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,840 stores automatically be should you get nine times more? 1000 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 2: Or you know what? How does that work? I guess 1001 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,360 I'll ask you. 1002 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,199 Speaker 7: Well, I can't speak on behalf of them. 1003 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 8: I will say this, And and Cards the x Q 1004 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,599 is probably a different animal because of their size and 1005 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,440 Jeff's connection with Tops through all the different ways that 1006 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,760 he deals with them. So their agreement whatever they have 1007 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,679 is probably very specific to them. But you know, in general, 1008 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,840 they they told us clearly in a town hall a 1009 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,599 few months ago. Don't assume that you're gonna get allocations 1010 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,880 if you open a second shop. They're very keen to 1011 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,840 or second, third, or fourth or whatever. They're very keen 1012 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,559 to to to give allocations to shops that have proven 1013 00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:01,719 themselves as a valuable tops representative. But there's no guarantee. 1014 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,559 And then and the reality of it is is that 1015 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,639 there just isn't There isn't enough for the product to 1016 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,519 go around because they don't want to overprint, you know. 1017 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,079 And some people will say they already are in certain sets, 1018 00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,199 you know, they'll print to the moon. But you know, 1019 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,480 allocations is a weird are a weird game. I mean, 1020 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,719 I don't want to get too deep into it, but 1021 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,440 sometimes we'll get an initial allocation on a product product 1022 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,920 that is we know, all know is a massive print run, 1023 00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,960 you know, and the allocation is very minimal. And I 1024 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,000 think sometimes that's because they're anticipating a huge initial surge 1025 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,599 of people that want to buy the product when it 1026 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,119 hits and they want to offer more on. 1027 00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,079 Speaker 7: Wave two and three as opposed to waive one pricing. 1028 00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 8: I assume that's what they're doing because they're trying to 1029 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,440 maximize their profits. But I mean, it's talked about all 1030 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,559 the time I mean, everybody at the TOPS conference, everybody's like, 1031 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,760 how can we get more allocations? How can we get 1032 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,519 more how can we shure you know every time I 1033 00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,280 only got one case of this, or I didn't get 1034 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,639 any of this, and so on. It's a constant conversation. 1035 00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:07,079 But I'll just say this. You know, we we moved 1036 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:13,320 a couple of years ago to to really push areas 1037 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,880 of our business that are not impacted by any outside entity, 1038 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,960 meaning you know, PSA, Tops and any upper deck whatever. 1039 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,559 So we deal with all of them in some capacity. 1040 00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,079 And Tops is, of course now because of all the licenses, 1041 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,559 we have a lot of inventory tied up you know, 1042 00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,480 with them, so they're our main supplier of new inventory clearly, 1043 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,320 and it's not a great position for a retailer to 1044 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,480 be in, in my opinion, to be that reliant on 1045 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,519 one entity. So we've started creating our own products. We've 1046 00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,199 really pushed into singles, We've expanded our TCG selection to 1047 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,480 really kind of diversify so that whatever Tops or any 1048 00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:00,000 other company might decide to do, you know, won't impact 1049 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239 us as drastically as if we just sort of sat 1050 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,519 and begged effort allocation from Tops. Because that's just not 1051 00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:11,519 a great business strategy. You can kind of see where 1052 00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:15,440 things are going. The bigger players are gonna get bigger allocations. 1053 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,320 I mean, that's that's the way they're gonna have it. 1054 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,639 I mean, it's already happening with breakers. They get the 1055 00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,119 breakers get a ton of nice compared to the shop. 1056 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:23,480 I mean it's not even close to mean, some of 1057 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,599 these breakers are doing hundreds of cases where shops are 1058 00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,239 getting one case or two cases. 1059 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, I think like if I'm let's 1060 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,039 say I'm in Seattle and I'm trying to get like 1061 00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:37,119 direct with Tops and I'm just not getting in right, 1062 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,559 and then cards Hu comes in, and I know we're 1063 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:40,519 picking on them, but. 1064 00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,519 Speaker 2: It's easy, a little fun, too full disclosure. 1065 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:47,159 Speaker 1: Right, They they open a Seattle store and they get 1066 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,400 right online with Tops. 1067 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,199 Speaker 2: That would rub me obviously the wrong way, right. 1068 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,639 Speaker 1: I get that there's some previous, you know, with his 1069 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,320 original locations. But on one hand they're saying we're not 1070 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,800 taking new any really new accounts at the moment. But 1071 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,639 then they're in a sense they are with certain people. 1072 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,519 I think, to me, that's a bad look. You don't 1073 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:10,239 have to go in the detailed recks like, you know, 1074 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,639 like your gut feeling when you see like this franchise deal, 1075 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:15,159 are you indifferent? 1076 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,199 Speaker 2: Do you sort of froud at it? Like what do 1077 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:17,599 you think? 1078 00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 8: Like, well, you know, I'll you know, from a selfish perspective, 1079 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,559 I'll give you a real life example. So it looks 1080 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,320 like the Chicago Bears are probably going to move to 1081 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,880 our neighborhood, Northwest Indiana, So they're probably going to move 1082 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,639 out of Chicago. So our stores are located, both of 1083 00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,360 them about an hour and a half outside of Chicago. 1084 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:41,440 The proposed site in Hammond is twenty five thirty minutes 1085 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,119 from our Vapparaiso shop, probably forty to forty five minutes 1086 00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:46,480 from our new Buffalo shop. 1087 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 7: So cards HQ and card. 1088 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:55,519 Speaker 8: Vault are, in my view, are very likely to you know, 1089 00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:59,400 open a shop near that stadium. So that could impact 1090 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,159 us in a way. But again you go back to 1091 00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:06,400 what I originally stated. We have all those other competitors 1092 00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:10,119 literally right in our backyard already. Plus you at tops 1093 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:15,639 dot com, Fanatics dot com, Benini's website, the Big Three, 1094 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,159 you know, David Adams, Steel City, Blowout, Midwest Cards in there. 1095 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 7: We compete with all those people now, and we do 1096 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:22,719 very well. 1097 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,119 Speaker 8: So we just need to focus on our experience and 1098 00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:29,719 our customers experience to make sure that we give them 1099 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,800 the best experience when they're in our shops. And that's 1100 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,119 what we're that's what we're focused on, as the in 1101 00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,880 person experience and making it the best we can. 1102 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1103 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: Now it's well said and probably the best approach. You know, 1104 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,920 control what you can control, and don't you know, if 1105 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:44,920 you can't control it. 1106 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Right? So focus uh inwardly? 1107 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 1: Uh that this bears news not to you know, go 1108 00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,760 to sports, but it is like, that's crazy. 1109 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 2: If you would have told me, you know, the Bears 1110 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:56,960 wouldn't be. 1111 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,119 Speaker 1: In Chicago like an iconic franchise, I would have thought you, 1112 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,320 you're crazy. Are they I haven't read a lot of 1113 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,960 it because this kind of stories in the last couple 1114 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,559 of days. Are they not obviously they're going to be 1115 00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:12,719 the Bears. Are they still going to use the name Chicago. 1116 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 7: Or they would change in it? No? 1117 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,519 Speaker 8: I mean, so the thing you have to and I 1118 00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,800 guess if you're not in the geography, you probably don't 1119 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,400 understand it. 1120 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,159 Speaker 7: So I wouldn't expect everybody to. 1121 00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 8: But Northwest Indiana is on the same time zone as Chicago. 1122 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,519 It's the only part of Indiana that's on the Central 1123 00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:30,679 time zone. And the reason why is because it really, 1124 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,000 for all intentsive purposes, is a suburb of Chicago. So 1125 00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,440 you've got I don't know, the best thing I should 1126 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,280 probably compare it to is the Jets and the Giants 1127 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:44,920 or the New York but they play in New Jersey. 1128 00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,599 Speaker 2: So yeah, Mookie, just yeah, it's. 1129 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,559 Speaker 7: The same sort of thing. 1130 00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 8: I mean that New York is a much bigger town 1131 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,679 in the Chicago or city in the Chicago, but Chicago's 1132 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,599 I assume, still number three in the country in terms 1133 00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,800 of population, so it's very similar to that. I assume 1134 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,079 that be the Chicago Bears and the same logo, and 1135 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,079 as always I can't see in the related change. 1136 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:11,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you know, the train goes right to there anyway, 1137 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,679 you know, it's not that far away. And you know, 1138 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,119 going back to the lcs, the local lcs, you know, 1139 00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:19,440 there's nothing better than for me, you know, I'll go 1140 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,280 to my local LCS and they know me my name, 1141 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,039 the owner knows me, they know the collectors that go 1142 00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:28,239 in there, versus going to a Tom Brady shop or 1143 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,000 a car's HQ where they have no idea who you are. 1144 00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,840 You're just another person coming in the store. So I 1145 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,199 do think that that personalized service that the LCS gives 1146 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,599 is for me as a collector, is extremely important to 1147 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:46,079 go in there and they say, hey, Orlando, how you doing, 1148 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:48,800 Thanks for coming back in. They know what I collect, 1149 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,760 they know what I like. You know, that personalized thing 1150 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,119 I think is the key to stores like what Rex. 1151 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,119 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good point, Orlando. 1152 00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 8: So and I assume those bigger operations have some sort 1153 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,480 of loyalty program or something, but the reality of it 1154 01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:07,199 is in a small LCS, a reputable lcs like like 1155 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,679 there are so many like us around the country and 1156 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,760 that that do this, they treat those regular customers better. 1157 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,480 Speaker 7: They just do, and they do it because they reward 1158 01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:19,960 the loyalty. And that's what we do. 1159 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 8: So, you know, if you come to our shop and 1160 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,320 you're buying stuff at Walmart, Target and ripping it and 1161 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,079 you want to come and sell it to us, great, 1162 01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,239 we'll take a look. But if you're not buying from us, 1163 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:34,280 you're not going to get as good of a deal 1164 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,320 as one. 1165 01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 7: Of our regular customers. 1166 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 8: If if you're selling or trading, you're also not going 1167 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,840 to get first access to you know, hot product or 1168 01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,119 loyalty discounts or whatever else. We that's one of the 1169 01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:48,280 things is a small business owner that we can do. 1170 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,440 That's an advantage over any of the big bosses. They 1171 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,599 just can't, no doubt. 1172 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,559 Speaker 1: All right, guys, like Brody said, we're going a little 1173 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,440 over time. It is one of the topics I advertise. 1174 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,599 So let's go through a kind of quickly and I'll 1175 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,840 Wrex you can add in here too. And I know 1176 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,559 you have prior like other than for obvious reasons, right, 1177 01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:11,480 God forbid a death or an illness, you know what 1178 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000 wouldn't cause you to consider. 1179 01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,639 Speaker 2: Not going to the National Uh? 1180 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,559 Speaker 1: And I'll start with Orlando, Like you know, I know 1181 01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,280 you go to pretty much all of them, where at 1182 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,159 least try like what would there ever be a scenario 1183 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,920 Orlando where you're like, you know what, I'm going to Strongsville, 1184 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,800 I'm not going to the Nationalist year. 1185 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,480 Speaker 2: I'll catch it next year or not necessarily. 1186 01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,679 Speaker 3: Well, I mean the money situation, of course, in expensive 1187 01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:38,440 to go to the National It just seems to get 1188 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,280 more expensive every year, you know, the hotel and the 1189 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,559 plane flight and all that. Because I can't drive to 1190 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,119 you know, some of you guys can, So for me, 1191 01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:47,119 I think that's it. 1192 01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:50,400 Speaker 4: But you know, I go every year, you know, and 1193 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,280 I'm retired. 1194 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,719 Speaker 3: That's kind of my my trip to Disney World type thing, 1195 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,920 you know, and I really go more for the friendship 1196 01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:02,320 see people that I see you once a year. So 1197 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,480 for me, I won't miss it, continue to attend the 1198 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,599 National every year. But I think the biggest issue is 1199 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,800 what's going on now with everything with with. 1200 01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,199 Speaker 4: With the National. 1201 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 3: The hotels are more expensive, they're being locked up by 1202 01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:17,960 the National, They're controlling all. 1203 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,079 Speaker 4: Of these things like that. I think it's one of 1204 01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:21,400 the things that's kind of hurting. 1205 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,679 Speaker 3: It's a little bit, but overall, I'll continue to go 1206 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,400 no matter what. 1207 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,119 Speaker 4: That's just who I. 1208 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1209 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,199 Speaker 1: So for me, I've done this in the last couple 1210 01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:38,880 of years, last year and this year where I'm like, hey, 1211 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,440 can I like maybe you know, for Chicago, I got 1212 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,880 a fly so I can't drive, so that adds airfare 1213 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:46,719 and that sort of thing. 1214 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:48,639 Speaker 2: I have to run a car, so I'm renting a car. 1215 01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: So each of the every time it's in Chicago, I 1216 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,719 don't want to say every time, well, whenever it's in Chicago. 1217 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,679 I really have to weigh out, like do I want 1218 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,719 to buck up and pay or can I can I 1219 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,920 sit this one out and catch the next, you know, 1220 01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:06,119 the next one and listen, I'm no spring chicken, right. 1221 01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:08,039 So then the other you know, you got the two 1222 01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:10,880 voices on each shoulder, right, the other one's like, how. 1223 01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:12,679 Speaker 2: Many nationals do you think you have? 1224 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:13,119 Speaker 4: Left? 1225 01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:15,079 Speaker 2: Newman? You know what I mean? Don't miss one? 1226 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,519 Speaker 1: And so you played tug of war in your own mind. 1227 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,639 So last year I made some late scram like my 1228 01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:23,840 wife asked me, have you done any of your She 1229 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:24,920 calls it the big show. 1230 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 2: She doesn't know. 1231 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,599 Speaker 1: She goes, have you booked your big show? Like I 1232 01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:31,519 tinerary your hotel and I hadn't. 1233 01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,519 Speaker 2: Yet, and she's like, well, you're gonna do it. And 1234 01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,440 I'm like, what do you have a boyfriend? You're trying 1235 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,119 to get rid of me? 1236 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 1: And she goes, no, but if you don't go, you 1237 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,679 know you're gonna be home and like miserable. 1238 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 2: And so I said, well let me try. 1239 01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:46,719 Speaker 1: Tonight, you know, And I use like Expedia or traveloci 1240 01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,320 or orbits to sort of get a package deal with 1241 01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:54,880 a room, a car in a flight, and I got 1242 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,119 a great deal. I was surprised that late in the 1243 01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:00,679 game last year. This year again I had to same debate, 1244 01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:03,559 but I didn't need that conversation with my wife. I 1245 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,960 kind of logged on and found a good package deal. 1246 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920 But it's in Chicago again next year, so I'm sure 1247 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,480 in my own mind I will debate, you. 1248 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,199 Speaker 2: Know, like, hey, three years in a row, could. 1249 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: I could I take next year Chicago went off and 1250 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,679 then just go to Detroit in twenty twenty eight, you know, 1251 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,760 God willing. But so so that's that's my that's my thing. 1252 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,719 You know, it's just and I see a lot of 1253 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,480 comments with you know, with with finances, right, the more 1254 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,639 money the trip costs, most likely the less money you're 1255 01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,559 gonna have to buy cards. 1256 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,199 Speaker 2: And I know it's not all about just buying cards. 1257 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,119 Speaker 1: It's seeing all of our hobby friends and the events 1258 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,760 during the show, after the show, dinners and and all 1259 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,239 that's got to be taken into account. But you know, finance, 1260 01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,199 finances are finances, right, It's an important part of whether 1261 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,119 we can make something happen or not. 1262 01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 2: So that's that's sort of my take. 1263 01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 1: Whether I would miss one, I haven't missed one since 1264 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,559 twenty eighteen at this point. But if I did that, 1265 01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:10,559 like my wife says, I'm sure I'd be probably like, 1266 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,719 you know, disappointed I'm not there yet. You know that 1267 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,039 it is so for you, Rex, I know, you know 1268 01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:20,599 running the two stores that that changes the equation to 1269 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,880 getting there, And like you're saying, having staff in place 1270 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,920 that maybe could handle things, you know what if you're 1271 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:29,519 not there. 1272 01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,239 Speaker 7: So yeah, that's part of it. The other part too. 1273 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 8: I mean, Chicago's office is easy for us because it's close. 1274 01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:40,679 But personally I don't love air travel because I in 1275 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,800 another lifetime I was on a plane every single day, 1276 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,159 it seemed like, for about four years. So if I 1277 01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,320 don't have to air travel, I try not to. So 1278 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,440 location means a lot. I missed the two years ago 1279 01:05:55,519 --> 01:05:59,159 in Cleveland, even though I wouldn't have had to fly 1280 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,599 to that could have driven, but I had a knee injury, 1281 01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,760 so I had a tornamentiscus, so I couldn't make that one. 1282 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,719 I went to Atlantic City, even though I wasn't really 1283 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,000 thrilled about doing it, but I did go to Atlantic City, 1284 01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:16,280 So I guess Detroit is drivable for us, you know, 1285 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,840 from Michigan. It's actually a lot farther away from Chicago, 1286 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,079 so we'll probably go to that one because we don't 1287 01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:22,519 have to fly to it, and then we'll see what 1288 01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:23,239 happens from there. 1289 01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I know people bag on on Atlantic City, 1290 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,000 and I get why I'm not defending for me and 1291 01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:34,199 a selfish bias point of view. I love it because 1292 01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:37,079 it was it was not a not a bad drive 1293 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,239 for me. The other nice thing is my wife's a 1294 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,159 beach girl, so she went on that trip and just 1295 01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:46,079 stayed at the beach every day and so that trip, 1296 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,840 that trip came out of our joint account, so that 1297 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,079 actually save me, save me some money as well. So selfishly, 1298 01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:56,440 I like it when it's drivable and it and it's 1299 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,480 a city that has a beach because I can rook 1300 01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,079 my wife. I don't want to say rook, but my 1301 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,480 wife will go and instead of coming out of just 1302 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,159 my account, it comes out of our joint account. 1303 01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,079 Speaker 2: Detroit is similar. 1304 01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 1: I think Detroit's a six hour drive from where I 1305 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,360 am here in Syracuse, uh, and I will drive to that. 1306 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,480 They're eliminates airfare, They're eliminates a rent a car obviously 1307 01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:21,400 if I'm driving my vehicle. So I love when it's 1308 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,639 in drivable range because it checks two things. The only 1309 01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:27,000 thing I gotta do is find a room because I'll 1310 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:30,360 have a vehicle and I won't need a flight. So 1311 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,840 I definitely got again God willing. I won't miss anything 1312 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,960 that's drivable, but it's when it's that airfare and where 1313 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,000 it is and the finance and obviously God forbid like 1314 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,960 any little worse. 1315 01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:44,079 Speaker 2: Uh So, you. 1316 01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,639 Speaker 3: Know, that's the tough part for me, is that I 1317 01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:50,920 can't drive anywhere because I'm in South Florida. I'm far 1318 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,199 from everything. I mean, I was hoping maybe they would 1319 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,159 go to Atlanta. I'd probably drive there, but unless it's 1320 01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:59,400 an event in Florida, maybe in Orlando, Disney World is 1321 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,880 be great. But other than that, you know, I have 1322 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,280 to fly everywhere, and that makes it real difficult. 1323 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,079 Speaker 4: You know. 1324 01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:07,679 Speaker 3: Like Rex said, you know, I hate flying myself, but 1325 01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:10,039 it's once a year, so I kind of forced myself 1326 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,000 to go anyway. 1327 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:11,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1328 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to be a nervous flyer. 1329 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,079 Speaker 2: The first time I flew. 1330 01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Here's a crazy story, real quick, And the first time 1331 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,560 I flew was on my honeymoon. We went to Disney World, 1332 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,960 and I was like a nervous wreck and my wife's 1333 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,560 a nurse and she's like, take this, and I'm like, 1334 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,199 what is it, Like, you're trying to kill me for 1335 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:33,960 the insurance money already we just got married. And she's like, no, 1336 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,039 it's his annex. It'll it'll take the edge off. It's 1337 01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:39,399 the only time I used it on the flight. I've 1338 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,840 flown many times, I don't want to say many times, 1339 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,319 well quite a bit since my honeymoon, and I don't 1340 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,600 I don't have to use anything, but I definitely can't sleep. 1341 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,960 I have trouble sleeping in anything moving in general, whether 1342 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,239 it's a car, a train, a bus, a plane. It's 1343 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,720 just because I'm not in control and it that I'm 1344 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,479 that nervous energy right, So rarely will I sleep. Probably 1345 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,720 the only time I'll fall asleep is in the car 1346 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,960 when someone else is driving, and it depends who that 1347 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,720 the driver is out my level of comfortable. 1348 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,600 Speaker 2: So so yeah, But if. 1349 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,680 Speaker 1: It's if the national driveable, I'm for sure in or 1350 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,760 going to try to make it happen. If it's a 1351 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,479 flight location, that's where I debate in my mind. And 1352 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,239 someone said, my shoulders talk to each other, so uh 1353 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,000 but uh uh, you know, I'm looking forward to the 1354 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:33,520 Detroit one, because I've never I like going places that 1355 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,319 I've never been before. Right in, Detroit's the city. I've 1356 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,680 been to Chicago quite a bit now and Detroit never. 1357 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,199 Speaker 2: So kind of you know. 1358 01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:45,000 Speaker 1: And I always try whatever city Orlando it's in, I 1359 01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:47,439 try to catch something, you know, Chicago, I try to 1360 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,119 go to either a White Sox or Cubs game. Detroit, 1361 01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:52,000 I'm going to see if the Tigers are in town 1362 01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:55,279 that week and check out that stadium I've never been to. 1363 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,640 And the Tigers, you know, in a perfect world, they'd 1364 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,800 be playing the Mets, and so I'd watch my Mets 1365 01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:03,680 uh in Detroit. So but all right, guys, we went. 1366 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,399 We went into some overtime. Rex, thank you for popping 1367 01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,000 out and give it sharing some of your insight as 1368 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,680 an LCS owner times two and your thoughts. 1369 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,479 Speaker 7: You're welcome. 1370 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,399 Speaker 2: Orlando. Yeah, Orlando, thank you for pinch hitting. 1371 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,319 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know again, we'll kind of close, you know, 1372 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,159 keep uh, keep the families of Victor and Samuel Evans 1373 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,680 and Victor Roman in your thoughts any deal during this 1374 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,359 with the loss of a loved one during this little time. 1375 01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:33,079 Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. As always. 1376 01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,439 Speaker 1: Also, I say it all the time because I mean 1377 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,840 it and it's true, and I'm sincere. Thank you to 1378 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,319 everybody in the chat room who joined us live. Uh, 1379 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,920 you know, I love it. It's a great banter. You know, 1380 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,520 you probably see me put up a comment. I'm laughing 1381 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,000 as I put it up, some funny stuff and uh 1382 01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:53,239 if even if you're not live and you're just one 1383 01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:56,319 of those people who download the show after the fact, right, 1384 01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,399 you're still giving of your time, uh and affection to 1385 01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,159 the show, and we appreciate that. So with that being said, 1386 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,479 thanks Orlando, thanks for Rex, Thanks everyone at chat and listening, 1387 01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:16,000 and we'll see you in seven days. Thank you for 1388 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,319 listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline. Just want to 1389 01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:23,840 remind everyone we are a live show every Saturday morning, 1390 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,520 eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific on the four Collectors 1391 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:34,119 channel on YouTube. 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