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to buffer the big deductible that we've had with the
pipe breakdownstairs, flooding, wood floor ruined, big repairs going on,
blah blah blah. You've already heard the story, but the
entire last week has brought to light for us again
the challenges we have with our model here in the
United States of how people are insured and how essentially
we are also enslaved. And so today's broadcast is going
to have a lot of stuff about news of the week.
So much happening this week, So I'm going to go
through a lot of it. But I'm going to begin
by reading for you a substack article that I published
about the American insurance industry, and it's titled things have
gotten out of Hand. I'll just read it. It says,
it's been a week. All of this falls into the
category of first problems. But if you ever wondered if
your support mattered the events of this last week, bring receipts,
and I have a photograph of me with a busted finger.
A pipe break pushed inches of water through much of
our first floor, ruining the wood and setting into motion
a gauntlet of insurance and repair paperwork. I also slipped
while working the flood out the front door and broke
the middle knuckle of my left hand. While the insurance
company approved the repair that also called in its obscene
twenty five hundred dollars deductible, which hit like a sledgehammer
as we watched our home being skinned alive. And there
is video here of the rip out. It just hurts
my heart. This brutal just hurts my heart. With all
of this, I was again reminded of how dysfunctional the
American insurance model is in regard to both property and
health insurance. We pay heavy premilliams if we can even
afford them, feel self conscious and or nervous when filing
legitimate claims on policies we bought, and fear getting penalized
with higher rates or getting dumped out right when the
claim is finally sorted. Meanwhile, Statista recently revealed that the
total assets of global insurance companies from two thousand and
two to twenty twenty two surpasses thirty five trillion dollars.
My own property insurance company boasts assets of seventeen billion.
It's CEO is a millionaire many times over, the United
States rewards capitalism over care, and everyday people on both
the inside and outside of the system have little recourse
as the puppeteers and oligarchs can outlobby, outspend, and out maneuverus.
Of course, Natalie and I know that perspective is everything.
We have insurance, we could have significantly had more damage
in injury and through the macro lens. We remember that
we have a home when many do not. But as
the fall bent my fingers in painful ways, the flooding
is bending our bank account as well. In the month ahead,
if you see an extra Patreon release or three, or
if you want to donate to help us defeat the
dreaded deductible, know that you're helping a self employed activist
tread water. Pardon the expression, and then I say it's funny.
When I was an evangelical conservative, the idea of a
nationalized healthcare irritated me. My right wing heroes like Rush
Limbaugh constantly linked it to evil socialism men. Of course,
we see today's Fox News Culture selling that same narrative,
even as the US remains among a tiny handful of
nations without a universal healthcare model. And I should have
said a tiny handful of developed nations. And there's a
chart from World Population Review that shows nations that have
nationalized system and it's a lot. As a humanist, I've
come to see myself less as an individual and more
a member of the human family. I understand governments aren't
immune from waste and corruption, but I firmly believe that
societal frameworks should include all around care for its people
in crisis. I don't want to live in a nation
that rewards horder CEOs and punishes those condemned to enrich them.
By the way, that's us. Am I a democratic socialist?
Very likely? Whatever the label, I'd sure like to see
some healthcare millionaires learn what it's like to slip in
the waters, feel some pain, and be forced through the
challenges they have forced upon the rest of us. We
can dream. I know there are many within the sound
of my voice who have navigated the health care and
the insurance nightmares. Oh fine, we're going to give you
what you paid for if and then we're going to
stick you with a higher rate at the end, or
just decide you ain't worth the trouble. Have a nice day.
Oh look, another CEO package in the eight figures. It's amazing.
Been watching the Scott Pelly thing. For those who don't
follow sixty minutes, this is and I know I'm going
to be argued with, but this is probably the most
credible news program, perhaps in the history of news. It
is one of the most centered, well vetted, professional newscasts
that I think broadcasting has ever seen. It skews a
bit older as far as it's demographic, but it's been
around for half a century. Mike Wallace was arguably the
most famous anchor of sixty Minutes, with hard hitting interviews
that were really, really compelling and remain so today. Well,
sixty Minutes, of course, has been in the news because
who is it the Daily Beast who calls Barry Weiss,
the new head of CBS News, calls her Trump curious,
which I think is horseshit. She's in the pocket of
Donald Trump, and she is now Fox newsifying the entire
freaking CBS network. There have been famous firings. There have
been people who are heritage people involved in the news department.
They're gone. They either quit out of frustration or they
have been replaced. Well, Scott Pelly has been a correspondent
for CBS News in sixty Minutes on the order of
four decades, and he went hard at all of the
bullshit that's been happening at CBS News. And within a
day they said, okay, you're fired. And he came forward
and he said, fine, I'm going to make a public
statement which I will read for you here. I've got
it queued up. He said, there has never been anything
like in America, Like sixty Minutes, the Sunday Tradition is
the most successful program of any kind in history. How
do I get rid of that pop up? Okay? The
Sunday Tradition is the most successful program of any kind
in history. For more than a decade, its innovative growth
on every major online platform has extended its reach to
countless millions around the world. This spring, at the end
of our fifty eighth season, sixty Minutes grew rapidly with
an unheard of nine percent jump in viewers on CBS.
Sixty has been the number one program in America for
decades because our beloved audience finds integrity, quality, and humanity
in our stories. When stewardship of the program passed to
my colleagues and me, our responsibility was to expand energetically
into a new age of media technology while preserving the
values our audience expects. Now, the new owner of our
network is casting this legend aside, apparently to curry a
moment of favor with the Trump administration. The waste is heartbreaking.
Last month, sixty Minutes lost its DNA when our entire
senior leadership and two of our best on air correspondents
were cruelly fired without cause. Good people were silenced because
they stood up for our audience. They stood for fairness
against the forces of political bias. They stood for professionalism
against chaos. For my part, new management has instructed me
to inject falsehoods and bias into a politically sensitive story.
I've been told to include assertions that are unverified to date.
In every case, I've managed to ignore these instructions or
refuse them. Recently, politicians have been invited to choose correspondents
for interviews on the broadcast. Giving politicians control over sixty
minutes interviews is not how this is done. Finally, in
competence and unprofessiontionalism is the new management in the new
management of Wreaked Havoc. In a case involving one of
my stories, the entire program came within nineteen minutes of
not getting on the air at all. At sixty minutes.
We fought harder than anyone knows to save the program
that became an American icon. We owed that to our
millions of viewers. I'm deeply moved by the thousands of
wishes we have received to keep up the good fight.
Most of the men and women of CBS News are
still in that fight, but now the collapse of values
at the top has become untenable. The leadership of sixty
minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold deer
are gone, and so I must leave as well. I
depart after thirty seven years at CBS with one emotion,
a heart brimming with gratitude for the men and women
of CBS News who encouraged and enriched my work, very
often at the risk of their own lives. For a
day when those people and their ideals are honored again,
A day when sanity, competence, and courage return, Signed Scott Pelley.
Now we knew that this war on the media was
part of the authoritarian strategy, and we are watching it
play out in real time. Of course, they're going after
the satirists. They're certainly going after the comedian entertainers. Trump
is obsessed with Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and beyond.
Of course, it's interesting when he goes after them. It's
always about their ratings, low talent, low IQ, low ratings,
which tells you how he sees the world. The winners
have big ratings, and of course, I'm like, well, a
lot of these shows are getting a ratings boost because
of you, pal, but we see the dominoes falling at CBS,
and I was thinking to myself, you know, CBS has
nothing I need. CBS, you have nothing I need, if
nothing that I really can't get anywhere else, right except
what is there a show I want to watch? Because
if it's news, I can get my news anywhere. And
so for Natalie and me, that's been an easy no
to be able to say CBS goodbye. There's nothing that
you're broadcasting, there's nothing you're offering, there's no stream, there's
no online post that is valuable enough to me to
reward you with my attention and monetization via a clicks.
So we're out on CBS until they get their shit together.
Aaron Brokovich, have you seen that movie? I'll say I've
got a soft spot for the film. I think she
won an Oscar Best Actress for the film Aaron Brockovich,
which kind of bugged me because, oh shit, who was
the actress from the Exorcist? Who was in I totally
drew a blank. Forgive me, here's my problem today. So
I didn't sleep great the night before last night, I
promised I was going to get a full at least
eight hours. So right before bed, I took one of
those z Quill tablets. I bought some z quill like
googled it. They said it's safe, it's not addictive, it
might be able to help you sleep. Z Quill is
like taking a baseball bat to the face. I was gone,
and I woke up with this sort of groggy eyed,
stunned flu like lethargy that I'm still shaking. What is
her name? Ellen? In the chat? Hang on, hang on,
She's still with us, She's still alive. Got to be
in her eighties, Ellen Burston, Thank you. She was in
the film. I think it was a Darren Aronofsky movie
called Requiem for a Drink, and she was nominated for
an Academy Award and should have won, but Julia Roberts
won in Dead for Aaron Brokovic. And I think this
is a problem. I just bugs me. I think, as
much as I love films, the Academy Awards are really horseshit.
They rarely get it right. It's almost always some stuffy
period piece or you know, political piece. You see the
films that won in the films that have lost throughout history.
The ones that change the game are very rarely award winners,
and the ones that win, I'm like Jesus, someone tell
me green Book was the best movie of that year?
Are you shitting me? Green Book? It wentn't bad movie
green Book anyway? Sorry? What was I talking about? Aaron Brokovic? Wow,
I've got it bad. She is on a quest to
expose where these secret data center facilities are being built.
People don't want us to know about these because they're
not popular with people. Newsweek article published the second of
June erin Brockovich thanks Americans as data center photos start
coming in. More than sixty six hundred people have contacted
environmental activist Aaron Brockovich about AI data centers and their communities,
contributing to a growing crowd sourced effort to track the
facilities emerging across the United States. Six hundred and fifteen
submissions have been sent in and counting. That's how many
of you have written to us about AI data centers
in your area as of May thirty first, Brokovich wrote
on Facebook on Monday. The response highlights what Brockovich says
is growing public concern about the rapid expansion of data centers,
the energy intensive facilities powering the artificial intelligence boom. Data
centers require vast amounts of electricity and water to support
computing operations and cooling cystmystems, prompting questions in some communities
about their environmental and infrastructure impact. Anyway, I'll let you
read the rest of the article there on your own terms.
Do you have an opinion about these data centers? We
talk a lot about AI, the utility of AI. I
will admit that I have on a few occasions in
the last few weeks. I'm working on a speech that
I'm giving in Cincinnati in July, taking the stage with
no illusions, and a few of the graphics. The best
versions that I have are terrible in quality, and I
have used AI to clean up the image. Please make
this image high resolution. And this isn't like a historical
document that it's going in and changing so that we're
changing the truth of what it is. But it just
looks terrible as far as the graphic that I'm going
to show to the audience. So I go to AI
and I say, please make this image high resolution. And
I will admit that I have used it, and I'm
in conflict about it. Now. I'm not making comic books
of myself. I'm not making movies using AI and all
those other things. So that's kind of how I've started
to justify it. It's a tool, But is there a
better way? I'm not able to clean these up myself.
I don't know. How do you feel about that? Like
all things do ye in moderation? Well, now, am I
a hypocrite? Am I part of the problem? I might be?
I might be part of the problem. But you know,
I know we're talking about some people who they do
nothing but AII. They're using chat bots for counseling, for friendship,
for romance, and they're amusing themselves all the time by
making images that are just about amusement and don't have
utility beyond that. You tell me what you think. There
was one more thing, Oh, oh, we got to talk
about representative Andy Ogels. So it's and this is a
great month to see just how tissue skinned right wing
evangelical conservatives are when it comes to having to share
the world. It's a great black light on the attitudes
about LGBT people. Well, there is a social media post
on the account of Republican representative out of Tennessee and
the Ogels. He posted homosexuality has no place in America.
Happy Nuclear Family Month. Major backlash. People are pissed. It
has since been deleted in the last twenty four hours.
And then this guy, who by the way, is a
right wing Christian nationalist comes forward and blames an interurn.
It wasn't it wasn't my idea. Well, I just stayed,
oh that my account is handled by it an intern.
So he throws the Intern under the bus, But when pressed,
he has still not said it was wrong, and he
apologizes and he supports the gay community. He will not
go even that far to say I'm sorry, this was
a mistake. It's not the message I want to send
in these perilous times. I think all people deserve love
and respect, and I just want to try to make
things right and let you know that this kind of
thing will never happen again. Even if he blames the INTERN,
I should have done a better job of managing this account,
and I will now issue a formal apology for the
record on the same sad account. Nothing of the kind.
You know it was him, You know it, or almost
certainly know it and whatever happened. You know that this
is how he feels about LGBT people. It's just pathetic.
It's pathetic. I would love to talk about whatever you
would like to talk about today on this bonus stream.
We'll call it the restoring the floor. What the hell,
let's lament the culture and entertain and amuse each other stream.
We will continue next. I am going to attempt to
talk to Jamie, who was idling in at two oh five. Jamie,
are you there?
Speaker 3: I am Hi.
Speaker 2: Welllcome Jamie. What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: I'll go a lot of things on my mind lately.
I'd like to say sorry for my sick accent. I'm
from Alabama.
Speaker 2: I don't mind at all. I think it's charming. Welcome
to the show. What are you thinking today?
Speaker 3: Sure? Well, I was listening to your intro and I
can't emphasive with your situation. At the end of February,
a tree fell through my living room.
Speaker 2: How did that happen? Storms?
Speaker 3: Yes, we had a microburst of like seventy five mile
an hour winds between three pine trees catty corner to
our house. And when I'm snapped off about halfway up
like a match stick, and flew across our yard and
landed on the roof, and a branch came in through
the ceiling in the living room while I was here.
Speaker 2: What was your recourse when that happened?
Speaker 3: Nothing? Really, I know. I panicked first because I have
four cats and a dog, so I'm trying to wrangle
all of them into the bedroom and then get buckets
because of course buckets are coming down from the sky
at the same time, and so that rain is coming
into our house. From grabbing towels and buckets and trying
to call my husband who's on his way home from work,
and then I look up and there's a fire in
the front yard. What is happening?
Speaker 2: And it rains? Of course, tell me there's not a
still a tree in your living room?
Speaker 3: Please, no, no, thankfully. We also have insurance, which we
pay way too much for, of course, and they are
they've they've restored us pretty much. Where the tree landed
on the outside of the house, it busted open our
septic tank, so now we have to get that replaced
as well.
Speaker 2: Well. You know, I think God is angry at you.
That's the only explanation it must.
Speaker 3: Be, because I don't believe in it.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, deny Christ and you pay the price, right.
Speaker 3: That's right. I'm more than happy to pay the price
for denying someone who died over two thousand years ago
and has stayed dead.
Speaker 2: You have any thoughts about all the culture stuff that's
going on around us, the world we live in. What
do you think?
Speaker 3: I hate everything about it, and I'm pretty lonely. I
mean I am in Alabama. There aren't very many like
minded people around here.
Speaker 2: A speaking tour stop I did in Mobile, Alabama, it's
been six seven years at least, and we had a
packed house, and I got the impression that there was
an underground of people in that highly religious, highly conservative
state that were desperate to not feel the way that
you feel. A lot of them lied about the fact
that they were going to hear an atheist, because if
they'd said, I'm going to hear this guy named Seth Andrews,
it probably would have gotten him in trouble. So I
can feel your pain.
Speaker 3: Over there, and yes there is pain here, a lot
of it.
Speaker 2: Anything else on your mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm angry at the governor who just basically coued
our state for Republicans. She threw out all of the
primary votes for mister Jones.
Speaker 2: For those who are to wear there is and thank
you Supreme Court. There is a massive effort underway to
read district and further gerrymannder states where black representatives have
been elected, and so now they're like, oh, fine, we're
going to redraw the lines. We're going to nullify the
will of the people in those groups. And those who
are being removed are overwhelmingly not conservative and they are
overwhelmingly people of color. Essentially, the South is rising again
in the worst sense of the word. It must be
difficult to watch that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very difficult to watch. And I don't know.
I called you about four years ago after my uncle's funeral.
I was very upset about how they had spoken to
us and about my uncle.
Speaker 2: Did they turn it the memorial into a church service?
Speaker 3: Yes, and they had already known of me and my
husband's lack of belief until it was very predatory entire time.
Speaker 2: They literally built a soapbox on his casket. And it's offensive, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, very offensive.
Speaker 2: Well, Alabama is better with you in it, and this
show has been better with you in it as well.
Thank you for calling me, Jamie.
Speaker 4: You take care, Thank you you too.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you later. I am going to
read some of the chat. I did this last time
because I had trouble taking calls technically, and people seem
to enjoy that. Oh, I'll do that. Clark said, do
you need a conversation topic. Here's one. Birds are modern dinosaurs.
Angels have feathered wings like birds. Angels are part dinosaur.
Discuss I like that angels are dinosaurs. Have you ever
seen those depictions of a biblically accurate angel? Oh, hang on,
let me pull this up. Biblically they are terrifying. They're
terrifying biblically accurate angel. Oh there's one. Okay, it's on Reddit.
Let me see if I can pull this up for
the video viewers. How terrifying is that? So it's a
multi winged I don't know how many wings I see one, two, three, four, five.
I'd have to go read the scripture forgive me. And
it's covered in eyeballs, and it's drawn directly out of
the Bible. It's just drawn directly out of the Bible.
Let me see if I can find that verse about
the biblically accurate angel. Let's see four wings and four faces. Bronze,
burnished legs, straight feet like a calf, and human hands
under their wings. Their entire bodies, wings, backs, and hands
are completely covered in eyes. We find the stories of
these in Ezekiel, specifically chapter one and chapter ten. Isaiah
six talks about the burning ones positioned directly above the
throne of God. They use two wings to cover their faces,
two to cover their feet, and the remaining to fly.
These creatures constantly sing praises to God. Oh yeah, I
mean you and I think angels When we think of
a Thomas Kincaid painting. We think of those precious moments figurines.
We don't think of a multi winged, eyeball covered thing
coming to hover above us. I mean, if you got
to have an angel, at least that would be more interesting.
What else did I have here?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Doctor Cigarettes has said using AI to speed up your
own work, especially personal work, is pretty harmless. If you
were never going to involve or high here's someone else
to do the work. I don't think that's particularly harmful.
Peter said, I told the Google AI overview engine that
I wanted to track down its data center and pull
the plug it told me to get in line let's
talk to Tom dialing in from four zero six. Welcome
to the show. Tom. Are you there, Hello, Seth. Good
to talk to you Tom. It's on your mind, my friend.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, this is the first time I've ever
called in to anybody, and so my thoughts are a
little bit scattered. But you know, I was born and
raised in a religious commune many years ago. I'm seventy
years old. It was a very long journey coming out.
Matt Gilohaney about twelve fourteen years ago. I was watching
him every Sunday, So that was kind of when I
became an atheist. And the pain and agony that I
saw because of religion has turned me into a militant atheist,
and I try not to display it openly. I admire
your ability to be kind to some of those people
on the other side.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't always work. I mean, we all have
our breaking point, but overall, I appreciate that. I try
to remain relatively centered. But anger is justifiable, and you
and I are outraged at the outrageous So I think
it's just fine to feel that. You probably feel outraged
even now, right I do.
Speaker 5: I see the effects of religion everywhere. I go everywhere
I move. I have been through your part of Oklahoma,
east of Oklahoma City, in a thirty to fifty mile
area out in the boondocks, nothing but four way stop
shines and trees and massive churches on three of the
four corners at a four way sh shine. And it
makes me wonder, you know, where are all these people
coming from? Where's all this money coming from? I think
we could text those people maybe and do some good.
Speaker 2: It's a catch twenty two. The people who are the
most influential as to who get taxed are the people
we want to tax who do not want to be taxed.
And yet we don't seem to have the power to
be able to stop what they're doing because we are
not worth five hundred billion dollars. Did you read that
Elon Musk is looking at a potential payout package on note,
some kind of a financial windfall for him that might
make him the planet's first trillionaire. Can you imagine one
person being worth a trillion dollars?
Speaker 5: And yeah, and they're using that money for an unbreakable power.
It seems to be with the technology we have today
that they might be able to afford surveillance to the
point where their power is unbreakable.
Speaker 2: Well, anything else on your mind, my friend, No, I.
Speaker 5: Just want to say I appreciate all of the very
intelligent people on all the various talk shows that I
see you on with you and Matt and many of
the other people. Appreciate listening to you and watching you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It means the world. Thank you for calling
the show. Take care. I have been recently posting on
YouTube more clips from my appearances on the Line, and
they encourage that, and I think it's cool. It gives
me a chance to share them with you. I can
kind of harvest out some specific sections that interest me,
and of course it cross pollinates the channels. Everybody wins.
We had a recent I think the call itself was
like almost an hour long, where this guy was calling
to school forest of Alchai and Me about how if
you don't believe in an afterlife, you can't know what's moral,
or at least you don't have the leg to stand
on to call something immoral if you don't believe in
an afterlife. I don't think that's remotely true. We had
a guy on the line I was hosting with Matt
a few days ago and he was talking about Oh shit,
where was his line? Forgive me? I've got something stuck
in my eye, so I keep rubbing my left eye again.
It must be God. He's trying to irritate me, so
I can't focus. What did he say? Something about consciousness
travels on light beams? Consciousness? Was it consciousness that travels
on light something like that? And I'm like, well, okay,
let's say that that even makes sense. How would you
demonstrate that this is the nature of the calls? People
will dial in and they will make some wacky assertions
and these just become the foundation on which they build
an entire argument. So very often and sometimes I'd try
to give them plenty of rope. I think that's often
the charitable thing to do. Are you're going to throw
a premise out rather than completely freak out at the
very beginning, I'll breathe a little bit, I'll sit back
and let you start to build your structure before I
go back and ask about the foundation for that structure.
How do you know that consciousness travels on light beams?
Or they tell me the nature of God, God is
the creator lover who has established the framework of this,
and then that he is the alpha and the omega,
the beginning of all things. This is a declarative statement.
God is well, so how do you know that? Which
God would it be? Can you demonstrate it for the
rest of us? And then they'll either pinball off to
a different subject because they can't defend the first claim,
or they will make a second claim to demonstrate the
first claim that needs, you know, just as much proof
and doesn't heat that burden. It's wild. Sometimes it's for us,
my big thing. And I'm thankful for the callers on
this show. I really am. I mean a lot of
the apologists, the armchair apologists to call shows to get
them to find the point. You have a point, all right.
You are here on this part of your journey, and
I would like you to take me here which is
the destination of that journey. I would like you to
find and get to the point. This seems basic, and
time and again it is unbelievable. They're like a june bug.
It's flying around in the early summer months, flies in
every direction, smashes into the screen door, falls down to
the porch, lays upside down with its wings flapping, flips
itself back over, goes airborne flies in every direction before
hitting the door, falling to the porch floor. Again. This
is what a lot of the calls are like. And
I will admit but sometimes it is a bit of
a challenge to stay focused, you know. I mean, I
can be accused of having a not long attention span.
And the more calls you take, the more you start
to think, Hey, well wait a minute, can't we do better.
Let's see, Peter said, I imagine a biblically accurate angel's
voice would probably have a lot of vestibular fold distortion,
very very accurate. How to ask the question, what's your
favorite dinosaur? This is easy. T Rex is just a
bad ass. But there are so many interesting ones out there.
T Rex, I know, is the easy one. Diana, how's
your bird feeder watching going? Oh it's amazing. Now here's
the story you haven't heard. I look out back. There
is a white parakeet with green wings. This is not
a wild bird. This was obviously somebody's pet. And we're like, whoa, whoa,
why in the world? IMiD all the sparrows and the
starlings and the blackbirds and the cardinals and the turtle doves,
how did a white parakeet end up on our bird feeder,
and what do we do about it? It's gorgeous, It
is just a beautiful bird. So we look up bird
rescue in our area. We have a conversation and they say, oh,
this is a problem. This obviously was someone's pet. It
will not survive if it is left in the wild,
it'll either get picked off by a predator. Was that
because of the color, I guess, but it certainly wouldn't
survive the winter. If it lives throughout the summer and
fall months, the parakeet is not wired to survive the elements.
So now we're like, well, what do we do and
they say, well, we have to catch it. How are
we going to your parakeet? How are we going to
catch a parakeet? Where they say, here's the method. You
take a cage and you take millet, which is this stuff,
this food that parakeets love. You hang it off a
little stem, You put the millet in the cage, and
then you take a trail of bird feed and you
make a path leading into the cage. So in the theory,
parakeet comes down and says yummy, starts pegging away at
the bird feed path. Walks into the cage, eats the millet,
and somehow we're supposed to walk up and close the
door to cage the animal and then it can There's
an aviary about twenty five miles from here with space
for it to fly, but it's it's protected. I don't
know that these people are experts and knowing how to
care for exotic birds. I don't know what I'm talking about,
but they were advising us. We have had no luck.
This parakeet wants nothing to do with the cage. So
then Natalie says, I'm going wiley coyote on this thing.
So I'm going to take a box with a stick.
I'll put it out back and I'm going to do
the same thing. He doesn't like the cage, but maybe
he won't care about the box, the cardboard box, and
he's going to peck its way down the food path
toward the millet, and then I'm going to pull the
little string that's attached to the stick, and the wiley
coyote box drops down, and then quickly I'm going to
go out and scoot him from the box into the
nearby cage, which has been hidden, and then we will
take him off to the rescue and the avier. I'm like,
you could be shitting me. There's absolutely no way. First
of all, he's not going to go under the box. Secondly,
you are not going to be able to scoop him
up and get him into the cage without somebody getting hurt.
But it's like seeing a unicorn. He flies up in
the morning, usually between seven and nine. He comes by
for a snack during the midday, and he's there before
six o'clock at night. When he shows up, it's an event.
We take photographs. We're taking screenshots from the bird feeder camera.
We've had friends come by when he's here and we
all push our faces up against the window. There he is,
I've got he or she. We just say he beautiful
white bird with this green hue on both of the wings,
and when it flies, it flies so happy. It's just
a happy flight. And then we have conflict. Wait a minute,
he's living his best life. He's able to come and
go as he pleases, and he gets snacks on the
bird feeder whenever he wants. And now we want to
catch him and put him in prison, and the rest
of his life he'll be behind the slammer bars. Go
and get me out of here. I miss my farm,
her life. So then Natalie's like, I don't know what
to do that. We let him live his left his
best life for six months until the freeze hits and
we just we just say, hey, you know, you had
a good run. That seems cruel. I want a bird
to freeze to death. But then if you catch him
and you put him in a box, the aviary is
not a box, though I don't know. This is where
we've been at bird watching wise, so even now I
am excited to go downstairs and look out the back
window because and this parakeet needs a name. So far
we've just called him pretty bird, pretty bird, pretty birds. Here,
I take pictures. I text her while she's at work.
Pretty Bird. We'll sit on the back porch and wait
for pretty Bird. It's a he's a unicorn. It's magical
when he arrives. Whatever else you want to talk about,
you let me know. We'll continue the conversations next. A
lot of good stuff coming up on the event horizon.
That's kind of a cool way to say it. Event
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June twelfth through the fourteenth, Atlanta, Georgia. It's Reason for Bible.
We've got the ark In counter protest happening on the
twelfth of July in Williamstown, Kentucky. The day before that,
on Saturday, the eleventh, it's Me and No Illusions. The
Scathing Atheist in Cincinnati taken the stage for a three
hour deal and at least half of that is us
interacting with the audience. It is going to be so
much fun. Nanocon Nashville, Tennessee, August first, the World Humanist
Congress in Ottawa August seventh through the ninth. Baha Cohn
the Bluewater Atheist Humanist Agnostics event in Sarnia, Ontario. That's
the third weekend in August. The Freedom from Religion National
Convention is happening October sixteenth through the eighteenth. That's a Milwaukee,
Wisconsin event. And in Huntsville, Alabama, October twenty third through
the twenty fifth, it is Rocket City. Reason. These are
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people who get us, people who share values with us.
We learn a lot of stuff, We make a lot
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out details on everything the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events.
I hope you can make it to at least one
of these things, Zarion said. AI takes all the jobs,
the consumerism based economy collapses, the billionaires go broke. Great
reset complete. Harvey asked the question, what are the odds
the owner of the parakeet has been putting out lost bird?
We're a step ahead of you. There are sites where
people can post, and we have been checking. How far
can a parakeet fly? Do we assume it's somewhere in
the region, in our neighborhood or an adjacent one, or
is he from fifty miles from across the state from
so Ide? I don't know, but he's gorgeous, pretty bird.
Let's go back to the phones and talk to area
code two zero six? Is it Elisio? Help me pronounce
your name, eliseo Iliso. Very kind to correct me. What
did you Yeah? Yeah? What's on your mind today? What
do you want to talk about?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Ayles is my second language. I'll try to seek as
lately as possible.
Speaker 2: You're doing great, but let me tell you, you.
Speaker 4: And Dan Barker are probably the two people more responsible
for me being an atheist. So I just wanted to
thank you personally.
Speaker 2: Dan Barker was part of my journey too. When I
was deconstructing, I stumbled upon his book Godless and it
was a game changer. And then I got to meet
him and we became friends. And every time I see him,
I always just kind of wink at him and go,
your book changed my life. But next time I see him,
I'll tell him. I'll tell him that you call, that
he'll make his day go ahead. What else?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just wanted to share a little bit
of my story. I've been here since I think eight
in the United States, and I got here with my family.
I'm documented. The story was my oldest kid, he was
born here in the United States. When you grew up
in Mexico seeing people going up north and they come
back a couple of years later, and they build a
house and they for their lives, you grow up, you know,
inspiring to make that kind of money too and have
a house. I used to live in a cardboard house
when I was a kid. You don't think about breaking
the rules or breaking the law. You think that that's
how it works. So when I was sixteen, I came
here to the States the first time. I'm documented in
the Nice States for a couple of years. Then my
ear is born was born in Arizona. And then all
of a sudden, I realized, wait a minute, I did
broke the law and I'm not going to be able
to live peacefully here. So I told my wife's, ay,
why don't we just go back to Mexico. We build
a house, we have some savings, let's go back over there,
because it looks like we're going to have a hard
time here anyways. So that's what we did. A long
story short, we have our second kids and he was
diagnosed with chemophilia. So our doctor over there, he's like,
if you guys can throw the border again, he will
get a much better life over there than here, because
back then the treatment was like twenty years in the past.
They didn't even know what it was exactly. They don't
know how to trade it. So time passes. We're here
a long time. Whenever it told our eighteen year old kid,
now our second kid, that he was born in Mexico,
whenever we want him to grow up feeling less or
being afraid, he will always stop the question like Hey,
why will never take an airplane? Like we go to
California to business once a year, but we never actually
lie over there. We drive over there because I was
afraid to take an airplane because you know US customs. Yeah,
fail agents being in the airport.
Speaker 5: So five years ago. We usually go to.
Speaker 4: An integration lawyer once a year to expose or archase
these sing changes. We pay our taxes. You don't break
any other laws than what we did break in the
law by crossing and documented to the United States.
Speaker 2: A lot of the people bought into this narrative that
it was, you know, it was all about danger. They're
coming for you. They're crawling over the border in mobs,
and they're criminals. They are the worst. And yet if
we watch the people that I surrounding up, it's moms
and dads and teachers and doctors and hard workers and
construction people and office managers and counselors. I just swear
they're just everyday people being stripped away from their families.
And all the people that I have ever seen who
have freaked out and said Ice needs to go and
grab these people. They can't name one specific instance wherein
immigrants documented or otherwise has negatively impacted their life or
put them in danger. And they can't defend the fact
that the people being rounded up, kidnapped, and deported are
not murderers and rapists and thieves, but hardworking people who
simply wanted to escape struggle. You know, they don't have
any idea what it's like to have been raised in
a place where there's almost no shelter except for a
piece of cardboard. Right, most of these people, they're huffing
and puffing from a place of absolute privilege.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when I told my kids, look, you weren't
born in Mexico, you were undocumental until very few days ago,
and I had to fill them because we had to
take or biometrics of the SBI just to make sure
we didn't have any crimes. He couldn't comprehend the gravity
of the situation.
Speaker 2: I never expected to live in a nation where we
would be disappearing people mask agents would show up at
random and disappear people. And yet that is where we are.
And also we see that even our elected officials are
being denied access to the detention centers in this country
because they would be according to the Trump administration, far
too disruptive to those detention centers. Meanwhile, our taxpayers are
our tax dollars rather are funding them, and our elected
representatives have every right to go in and report on
what's happening. They're hiding abuse, neglect, starvation, torture, sickness, et cetera,
the human misery that they know most Americans would not want,
would not support, and would resist, so it's easier to
keep it out of sight. I wish we as a
culture were interested enough and focused enough to make it
nearly impossible for them to keep those doors and windows locked.
I wish we could put more pressure on them. You
doing okay these days, my friend?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, we have a permit. Now, I'm
a business owner. When I got here and documented, I
realized that I didn't need a Social Security to be
a licensed contractor. So that's what I did at the beginning.
Now that I have my permit, I can I can
do it without hiding or going to places that I
couldn't go before. But yeah, I just wanted to share
a little bit of that story. And one more thing.
I remember when I got my permit from Immigration, it
was a mixed feeling. I was very, very happy, At
the same time, I was so sad because I knew
so many people, so many families. They deserve the thing
that I have. They can have it because they didn't
went through the thing that I went to. When across
the border, I say, I didn't do anything scheduled to
get it. It was use the circumstances. And if you weren't
for those circumstances, how we still undocumented? I say, I
know at least twenty thirty families, really good members of society,
the stand up citizens other than I don't have the documents.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, thank you for the perspective and for humanizing
a circumstance that desperately needs it, and you'd be safe
and keep kicking. Okay, all right, thank you, thank you
very much, Peter said a cat. We'll probably get the
bird before summer is out. Very possible. Let's see. Is
it ether?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm reading in sections, but there are no
spaces in my brain glitches because of the ze quill.
It's ethereal, region said night Quil, night quil. In the
bird feed you want me to dose the bird? Oh
my god. We had a horrifying day. I had to
go back and spray for some there's a big section
of weeds overgrown in a little rocky area. I got
a rock and a little tree, and so some some
weeds were growing, and this was relatively close to the feeder.
So I went out and I spray weed killer and
then bird seed gets kicked out by this freaking blackbird.
I don't know it was a crow or what it was,
but they go in and apparently they're looking for a
certain kind of bird seeds, so they use their feet
and they kick all the feed out. Well, some of
it went that far, and I saw other birds go
in and start pecking feed out of the poisoned area.
And there's nothing I could do about it. I mean,
I can't stand out there and see the birds away.
So I thought, oh my god, I've killed birds. I
googled it. It said, uh oh, this might cause sickness
or neurological disorders in birds. And I didn't know what
else to do but just leave it and yell an
apology from the back porch. Still on the birds. People
are interested sin and tonics that I've been doing aviary.
They're actually wonderful. They would be able to take specialized
care of bird I'm so glad to hear that. Harvey said.
Atheist just being a birdwatcher finds himself struggling over the
proper choice that would be kind as to an escaped parakeet.
And they say we have no morality, no kidding, perhaps
my morality wrote in on a beam of Light, Rip
steak Face nine thousand, Okay said Republican Congress people deserve
prison for what they've done to this country. They're traders.
I would include right wing media. Fox News has blood
on its hands, Jay Gs said. In current times, I've
learned all victories are temporary. The fight never ends. And
it looks like we've got a believer in the chat.
Ill Cat has proclaimed with praying hands, Jesus is God. Okay,
can you demonstrate that for me? I'm releasing my speech
in a few days on white Jesus. There was it
white Jesus that's God? Is it the love everybody progressive Jesus?
Or is it the Jesus that's related to yahweh that
essentially messes everybody up and jealous and nasty and genocidal
and like slavery and produces women Jesus. In my final segment,
I'm gonna read from a recent interaction I had with
another one of these progressive pastors who apparently needs an
atheist to teach them the Bible. I found that it
was wildly entertaining and instructive. Perhaps you will feel the same.
I will perform for you the words of this exchange. Next. Okay,
this relates to a recent Facebook exchange. The gist is
there is a pastor named William Wade Burlisson, and he
was talking about the Southern Baptist Convention that's still in
the year twenty twenty six, arguing about whether or not
women should be pastors. I'm sorry, what century is this? Okay,
there it is. So he's like, well, I disagree with
the Southern Baptist Convention because women have so much to
offer in ministry. Now, this guy didn't say that women
should be senior pastors. He didn't go that far, but
he was talking about how Jesus celebrates women and that
it's an atrocity that the Southern Baptist Convention won't let
women in positions of teaching. What does that even mean?
What is teaching? What's the definition according to the spec
Does that mean they can't sit at a table? With
a man nearby and talk about what scripture means. Does
it mean they're not given authority to teach a Sunday
school class because there's a man sitting somewhere in the room.
Doesn't mean they can't share their faith and evangelize if
there's a man involved. This was the gist of And
there's a long, long article that I'm not going to
bother reading for you because most of it I can
sum up much faster and much more efficiently, because that's
just how I roll. But his take, and we've heard
a lot of this is God is pro woman. Jesus
would never want to silence women when it comes to
teaching his word. Again, he did not say women could
be senior pastors. He did not go that far. Let
me see if I can pull this up for the viewers.
As I read along, he talks about gifted women being excluded. Well,
I jumped in with some perspective, and I end up
doing this a lot with pastors. You're a pastor, You're
supposed to know your Bible. Why am I having to
come in and teach you the Bible? I said? Unfortunately,
the Southern Baptist Convention is drawing its tragic ideas about
women directly from a sexist Bible. The book written by
men might occasionally use lofty language about honor, but the
edicts of God and man are unavoidably bad. In Leviticus fifteen,
men's trating women were called unclean. That chapter helpfully instructs
when she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count
off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean.
Strange as this natural bodily process was embraced as sacred
in ancient Greece, Egypt, and beyond. Who could forget Yahweh's
command that Moses's army slaughter all of Midian Oh, look,
baby murder, but could kidnap female virgins for themselves? Numbers
thirty one is a real gem, folks. Also see Leviticus
twenty seven, which values women's slaves about half as much
as male ones. Then come the writings of Paul first
Timathy two eleven through fifteen. A woman should learn in
quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman
to teach or to have authority over a man. She
must be silent or Adam was formed first, then Eve,
and Adam was not the one deceived. It was the
woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women
will be saved through child bearing if they continue in faith, love,
and holiness with propriety. By the way, propriety means you
need to submit to your man and shut the hell up,
I think one Corinthians fourteen thirty three through thirty five.
As in all the congregations of the Saints, women should
remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak,
but must be in submission, as the law says. If
they want to inquire about something, they should ask their
own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a
woman to speak in church. Continuing, Paul such a lovely
writer about women, is he not? Ephesians chapter five, verses
twenty two through twenty four. Wives submit to your husbands
as to the Lord, for the husband is the head
of the church, is body of which he is the Savior.
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives
should submit to their husbands in everything. And I finish
up by saying, I appreciate egalitarian Christians committed to the
protection and promotion of gender equality, but these progressives can
only justify those positions if they exact own hold portions
of their Good Book. To take that moral position, they must,
in the literal sense, be less Christian and more of
a humanist at the very least pro woman. Christians are
fashioning on God in their own image. Well, a helpful
believer chimed in, and I will continue, Carrie said, as
a woman who was familiar with history and has read
the Bible, I must disagree with your assessment. Now I
follow back up, so stick with me here. First, Jesus
himself explained why the great Moses did not accurately nor
fully express the true wishes of God. He pointed out,
divorce was given by Moses as a concession due to
the hardness of hearts of men. Mother words must be
mother words? Is it? In other words, what does she
mean the alternative? Forcing people to live together without any
alternative is disastrous, not because marriage is wrong, but because
men are cruel. So he forged another better covenant in
his own blood. In other words, God wasn't able to
overcome the existing model and the hardness of man's hearts.
God couldn't or two words that should not go together
if we were talking about omnipotence, Carrie continues, we are
called upon to consider what happened to the ancients as
examples for us. You bring up menstruation. Jesus reversed this law.
Why the hell would Jesus need to reverse it. He
reversed this law by healing the woman with the issue
of blood. Well, that's not reversing the law. That's a
single act of healing. Just think about how immensely world
shattering it is to understand that God himself reversed the
curse attached to menstruation and childbirth, loving women so much
that he came down from heaven to heal a woman
who was bleeding from her uterist. He met a woman
at the well, which biblically is how the prophets met
brides and turned the divorce and abandoned trafficked women into
an evangelist. He used women. I don't really want to
skip past that. He used women and shepherds and prostitutes
and tax collectors to speak for him, to be his witnesses,
overturning the prior laws and cultural rules. I'm about half
done with her. Hang on, I have to read all
of it that she said, because I respond and I
want to make sure that there's context. His own ancestry
includes rejected lines of people. When you read the second
chapter of Malachi in the original languages, you find it's
been mistranslated by men, and God didn't correct the record.
God just happy to leave it mistranslated. Right back to
the art. God doesn't hate divorce. He hates men being
violent and unfaithful to their wives who were given to
them to protect. Which men the priests? God instead divorced
the priests. His book is filled with women who are prophets.
So a woman who is a judge, a woman who
gets the glory, women who are faithful. There are worse
things than to die. But do you notice that the
gentiles whose sins were formally overlooked now are called to
be his people? Have you ever notched got to be
noticed that when the prophets asked God to reconsider, he did.
Why would God need to reconsider? Did you reflect on
what The direct result of Paul's words above was Women
were allowed to learn allowed women were allowed to learn
in a world where women could still be slaves, the
men were required to let them learn, and he did.
When Pliny was Pliny the Elder was persecuting the church,
he captured and tortured two deaconesses. They were called ministry
or ministers in the Latin. So if you believe there
is injustice in the church, what is your option? Oh,
I love it when people make my case for me.
So I responded, I said, we love our chains under
current and much of this. Firstly, the cursive menstruation your
word curse links to the tragic blaming of Eve and
the garden. In that story, a few interesting things happen.
Number One, omniscient Yahweh knows all things across all of time,
yet implements a perfect plan that totally tanks in the
third chapter of Genesis. Number two, that supposed failure arrives
when God creates imperfect creatures and then punishes them for
acting imperfectly. Extra points deducted for directly tempting them with
the tree and then allowing his arch enemy access to
their naive ears. This is like tossing a hand grenade
into a nursery and blaming babies when one of them
pulls the pin. Number three, Yahweh's wise solution for punishment
is to make Eve and what the fuck every woman
for all future generations experience agony vaginal tearing and often
baby trauma. Also, notice that Yahweh's punishment involves a woman's
sexual attraction. Quote to the woman, he said, I will
surely multiply your pain and child bearing. Of pain, you
shall bring forth children in pain, brother, you shall bring
forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and
he shall rule over you. In other words, Eve and
her female descendants are cursed. There's that word again, to
scream in the delay savery room after getting hot for
the husbands who are also there. Rulers tell me again
how men didn't write the Bible to serve men sins. Forever,
apologists engage in games of twister to excuse and even
defend this stuff. Slavery was one of the other lovely
parts of God's model chattel. Slavery turned people into property,
often passing down family lines as slave owners took possession
of offspring. Then, of course, we have Yahweh's helpful rule
about just how hard a master can beat his slave.
Exodus twenty one twenty through twenty one says that if
the slave regains consciousness within forty eight hours of the beating,
the master is off the hook. Hashtag God is Love
but if we're to return to women, I suppose i'd
return to another of the Good God's guidelines again for
the Lord's soldiers in battle, And I quote Deuteronomy chapter
twenty one, verses ten through fourteen. When the Lord your
God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners,
you may see among them a beautiful woman that you
like and want to marry. Take her to your home,
where she will shave her head, cut her fingernails, and
change her clothes. She is to stay in your home
and mourn for her parents for a month. After that
you may marry her. Later, if you no longer want her,
you are to let her go free, since you forced
her to have intercourse with you. Since you forced her
to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as
a slave and sell her. And I say, in other words,
after the righteous slaughterer has murdered a hot woman's family,
he can kidnap her for himself. Then he's allowed to
change her appearance, and if the woman hasn't pleased the
man within a month, he can release her like a
stray cat. Calling the Bible pro woman is like calling
Tyson pro chicken. Now I hadn't seen this, but she
has since responded. If you want, I can read this
cold in the chat. Do you want me to take
the time to read her response to my response to
her response or what to make you cry?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh, I know I saw her first line and I
have to read this. Let's see what Carrie has to
say about this, Seth Andrews. Your anger amuses me. Well,
I wasn't angry when I typed that. Did you hear anger?
There may have been some snark. I don't think it
was anger. Your anger amuses me. You're the one twisting
the scriptures to support your anti godrant. Where did slavery
come from? Not God? It shows up in each it
shows up in or There's no command or permission given
by God before it's already fully on the scene. So
what who gave man permission to be polygamous? It just
shows up in Caneline. Actually polygamy followed incest right because
Eve had three sons before the world was repopulated. So
they're doing it with mom. I'm sorry, I got to
go back to what is so terrible about having a period?
Did I say? I just said many cultures considered it
sacred and it was a natural bodily process. What the fuck?
What's she talking about? What's so terrible about having a period?
How would you personally know? How does having one prove
God doesn't value me as a person? Did I say
anything like this? Did I say anything at all like
what she's talking about? Such nonsense. I negotiated the greatest
case in my career on a first degree murder charge
while hemorrhaging so bad I should have been in the hospital.
But I was given strength to overcome that. I negotiated
the greatest case in my career on a first degree
murder charge while hemorrhaging so bad I should have been
in the hospital. So an attorney, maybe an attorney or
charged with murder. I'm gonna go with attorney, benefit of
the doubt for you, Carrie. But I was given strength
to overcome that. Seriously, have you never read Scripture? It
was not through Eve but Adam that sin was passed
on to his descendants. What the fuck book at Genesis
are you reading about? Eve is blamed for tempting Adam,
and Adam and Eve were both tossed out of the garden. Sorry,
it is through Eve that the seed of woman came
into the world. Who vanquished sin and death that would
not have happened if the sin nature was passed on
via Eve and the egg. It is through Adam's sperm
that all have died. Oh yeah, No, I want to
hear a sermon on that. I'm want to open a
church program on a Sunday morning at ten thirty. I
want to see listed the sermon title Adam and the
Evil Sperm. Please. Carrie says, it doesn't matter whether you
like it or understand it. You are free to go
your own way. No one's forcing you to believe the gospel.
Did I say somebody was forcing? What I want to
know is this, What did Jesus do to make you
hate him?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: He taught loving your neighbor, being kind, forgiving each other,
not hurting children, loving your wife, paying your debts and taxes,
being a good Samaritan. That eternal life is free unless
you're reject it, and then he's going to burn you
by the way, that the richer selfish pride is harmful.
That we should be patient and share resources, that we
will be given help when we call. That it doesn't
matter if you're a slaver, free prostitute or an ex con.
You can be born again and start a new life.
He treated women with kindness and respect. Now I have
to pinball back to the time that he compared the
woman to the dog, and he promised that he had
come to divide families, to turn a son against his
father and the daughter against her mother, etc. Why do
you hate him? He brought freedom for the captives. He
did away with all those laws, Moses wrote, unless you
read Mathew Chapter five, Carrie, isn't that what you think
he should do? If you think he should do more,
have you ever thought of asking, Dear Jesus, Lord above
in heaven, Father God, I asked that you give me more. Here,
Please manifest yourself, appeer in front of me like one
of those twenty five eyed, multi winged angels, and just
tell me, Lord Jesus, tell me, tell me what you
mean by all of this. Explain to me how you
honored women and didn't really support slavery, or how you
were forced to use the slave model that man had
put into place because you weren't big enough to overcome it.
Talk to me about the issue of blood and menstruation
and the banishing of women for a week. Talk to
me about how you feel about women. Lord Jesus, I
now call upon you, on the behalf of Carrie, to
reveal to me and to this audience what it is
you exactly mean. For the Lord God is not the
author of confusion. Thank you, Jesus, Thank you Jesus. She said,
that's what I'm doing, and you're choosing instead to treat
me like the enemy. That I call her the enemy,
that I attack her personally. I simply stated a case,
and she has decided that she is under attack. I
assure you that if I were to be captured by
the enemy and my husband killed, I'd rather be taken
Oh no, she didn't, Oh no, she didn't. I assure
you that if I were to be captured by the
enemy and my husband killed, I'd rather be taken by
someone either rules, rather than someone who doesn't that require
me to be given rights. I don't know what she means.
I'd rather be taken by someone either rules, maybe someone
that rules, rather than someone who doesn't that requires me
to be given rights. Why would you need someone else
to give you your rights, especially a man you slave? I mean,
how many societies have any rights to women? In a
land with no police or courts or Constitution.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 2: Christopher Hitchin said, this is the wish to be a slave.
If a man came in and he executed my husband
and kidnapped me, I'd rather have that, because at least
there were rules by which he had to abide as
he enslaved and force himself through intercourse with me before
releasing me into the wild to wander and try to
pick up the pieces of the rest of my life.
Oh m G. Wow, you're making my case for me.
Carry you made my case for me. John is dialing
in seven point nine. John, Are you there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2: It's on your mind, John.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This is all my professional opinion. I'm magni by John.
Speaker 2: I see you later. John called a previous show, and
I think John just likes to hear the sound of
his own voice, and most of what John says starts
with this is just my personal opinion. John. I know
you've got a biblical name, and you'd probably like me
to give you an extra measure of respect for that.
I don't know, but I'm not interested in giving you
any more oxygen. You can try to call the line
again at some point, and I wish you the best.
Perhaps if you pray the Lord will miracle it for you. Okay, okay,
I guess that's all I've got for this particular broadcast.
I don't see anybody else dialing in, so have we
exhausted everything? But I do appreciate you listening and watching
and putting up with me and my rant Do you
enjoy the rants? Are they tedious for you? Because I
feel ranty today and I can't blame the zeke will.
I am going to grab some lunch. I'm going to
go out and see if I can spot pretty bird.
And we are going to continue developing a scheme of
some kind to try to retrieve him so that he
might perhaps survive. We certainly can't rely on prayer. In
the meantime, take care of yourself and I will see
you very soon.
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