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Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because.

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Speaker 3: I put my hand on a book and made a wish.

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Speaker 1: And working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist Podcast, hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: This is just an extra broadcast. I'm trying to generate

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a little extra revenue. I'm not going to build patrons

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for this one, but I'm hoping that via Spreaker and

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iHeartRadio that maybe some ad revenue is going to help

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to buffer the big deductible that we've had with the

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pipe breakdownstairs, flooding, wood floor ruined, big repairs going on,

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blah blah blah. You've already heard the story, but the

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entire last week has brought to light for us again

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the challenges we have with our model here in the

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United States of how people are insured and how essentially

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we are also enslaved. And so today's broadcast is going

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to have a lot of stuff about news of the week.

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So much happening this week, So I'm going to go

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through a lot of it. But I'm going to begin

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by reading for you a substack article that I published

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about the American insurance industry, and it's titled things have

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gotten out of Hand. I'll just read it. It says,

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it's been a week. All of this falls into the

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category of first problems. But if you ever wondered if

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your support mattered the events of this last week, bring receipts,

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and I have a photograph of me with a busted finger.

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A pipe break pushed inches of water through much of

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our first floor, ruining the wood and setting into motion

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a gauntlet of insurance and repair paperwork. I also slipped

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while working the flood out the front door and broke

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the middle knuckle of my left hand. While the insurance

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company approved the repair that also called in its obscene

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twenty five hundred dollars deductible, which hit like a sledgehammer

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as we watched our home being skinned alive. And there

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is video here of the rip out. It just hurts

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my heart. This brutal just hurts my heart. With all

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of this, I was again reminded of how dysfunctional the

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American insurance model is in regard to both property and

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health insurance. We pay heavy premilliams if we can even

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afford them, feel self conscious and or nervous when filing

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legitimate claims on policies we bought, and fear getting penalized

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with higher rates or getting dumped out right when the

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claim is finally sorted. Meanwhile, Statista recently revealed that the

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total assets of global insurance companies from two thousand and

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two to twenty twenty two surpasses thirty five trillion dollars.

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My own property insurance company boasts assets of seventeen billion.

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It's CEO is a millionaire many times over, the United

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States rewards capitalism over care, and everyday people on both

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the inside and outside of the system have little recourse

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as the puppeteers and oligarchs can outlobby, outspend, and out maneuverus.

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Of course, Natalie and I know that perspective is everything.

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We have insurance, we could have significantly had more damage

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in injury and through the macro lens. We remember that

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we have a home when many do not. But as

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the fall bent my fingers in painful ways, the flooding

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is bending our bank account as well. In the month ahead,

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if you see an extra Patreon release or three, or

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if you want to donate to help us defeat the

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dreaded deductible, know that you're helping a self employed activist

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tread water. Pardon the expression, and then I say it's funny.

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When I was an evangelical conservative, the idea of a

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nationalized healthcare irritated me. My right wing heroes like Rush

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Limbaugh constantly linked it to evil socialism men. Of course,

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we see today's Fox News Culture selling that same narrative,

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even as the US remains among a tiny handful of

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nations without a universal healthcare model. And I should have

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said a tiny handful of developed nations. And there's a

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chart from World Population Review that shows nations that have

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nationalized system and it's a lot. As a humanist, I've

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come to see myself less as an individual and more

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a member of the human family. I understand governments aren't

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immune from waste and corruption, but I firmly believe that

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societal frameworks should include all around care for its people

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in crisis. I don't want to live in a nation

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that rewards horder CEOs and punishes those condemned to enrich them.

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By the way, that's us. Am I a democratic socialist?

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Very likely? Whatever the label, I'd sure like to see

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some healthcare millionaires learn what it's like to slip in

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the waters, feel some pain, and be forced through the

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challenges they have forced upon the rest of us. We

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can dream. I know there are many within the sound

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of my voice who have navigated the health care and

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the insurance nightmares. Oh fine, we're going to give you

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what you paid for if and then we're going to

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stick you with a higher rate at the end, or

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just decide you ain't worth the trouble. Have a nice day.

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Oh look, another CEO package in the eight figures. It's amazing.

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Been watching the Scott Pelly thing. For those who don't

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follow sixty minutes, this is and I know I'm going

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to be argued with, but this is probably the most

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credible news program, perhaps in the history of news. It

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is one of the most centered, well vetted, professional newscasts

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that I think broadcasting has ever seen. It skews a

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bit older as far as it's demographic, but it's been

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around for half a century. Mike Wallace was arguably the

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most famous anchor of sixty Minutes, with hard hitting interviews

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that were really, really compelling and remain so today. Well,

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sixty Minutes, of course, has been in the news because

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who is it the Daily Beast who calls Barry Weiss,

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the new head of CBS News, calls her Trump curious,

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which I think is horseshit. She's in the pocket of

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Donald Trump, and she is now Fox newsifying the entire

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freaking CBS network. There have been famous firings. There have

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been people who are heritage people involved in the news department.

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They're gone. They either quit out of frustration or they

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have been replaced. Well, Scott Pelly has been a correspondent

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for CBS News in sixty Minutes on the order of

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four decades, and he went hard at all of the

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bullshit that's been happening at CBS News. And within a

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day they said, okay, you're fired. And he came forward

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and he said, fine, I'm going to make a public

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statement which I will read for you here. I've got

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it queued up. He said, there has never been anything

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like in America, Like sixty Minutes, the Sunday Tradition is

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the most successful program of any kind in history. How

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do I get rid of that pop up? Okay? The

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Sunday Tradition is the most successful program of any kind

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in history. For more than a decade, its innovative growth

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on every major online platform has extended its reach to

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countless millions around the world. This spring, at the end

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of our fifty eighth season, sixty Minutes grew rapidly with

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an unheard of nine percent jump in viewers on CBS.

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Sixty has been the number one program in America for

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decades because our beloved audience finds integrity, quality, and humanity

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in our stories. When stewardship of the program passed to

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my colleagues and me, our responsibility was to expand energetically

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into a new age of media technology while preserving the

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values our audience expects. Now, the new owner of our

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network is casting this legend aside, apparently to curry a

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moment of favor with the Trump administration. The waste is heartbreaking.

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Last month, sixty Minutes lost its DNA when our entire

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senior leadership and two of our best on air correspondents

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were cruelly fired without cause. Good people were silenced because

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they stood up for our audience. They stood for fairness

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against the forces of political bias. They stood for professionalism

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against chaos. For my part, new management has instructed me

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to inject falsehoods and bias into a politically sensitive story.

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I've been told to include assertions that are unverified to date.

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In every case, I've managed to ignore these instructions or

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refuse them. Recently, politicians have been invited to choose correspondents

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for interviews on the broadcast. Giving politicians control over sixty

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minutes interviews is not how this is done. Finally, in

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competence and unprofessiontionalism is the new management in the new

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management of Wreaked Havoc. In a case involving one of

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my stories, the entire program came within nineteen minutes of

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not getting on the air at all. At sixty minutes.

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We fought harder than anyone knows to save the program

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that became an American icon. We owed that to our

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millions of viewers. I'm deeply moved by the thousands of

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wishes we have received to keep up the good fight.

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Most of the men and women of CBS News are

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still in that fight, but now the collapse of values

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at the top has become untenable. The leadership of sixty

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minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold deer

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are gone, and so I must leave as well. I

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depart after thirty seven years at CBS with one emotion,

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a heart brimming with gratitude for the men and women

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of CBS News who encouraged and enriched my work, very

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often at the risk of their own lives. For a

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day when those people and their ideals are honored again,

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A day when sanity, competence, and courage return, Signed Scott Pelley.

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Now we knew that this war on the media was

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part of the authoritarian strategy, and we are watching it

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play out in real time. Of course, they're going after

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the satirists. They're certainly going after the comedian entertainers. Trump

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is obsessed with Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and beyond.

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always about their ratings, low talent, low IQ, low ratings,

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which tells you how he sees the world. The winners

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have big ratings, and of course, I'm like, well, a

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lot of these shows are getting a ratings boost because

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of you, pal, but we see the dominoes falling at CBS,

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and I was thinking to myself, you know, CBS has

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nothing I need. CBS, you have nothing I need, if

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nothing that I really can't get anywhere else, right except

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what is there a show I want to watch? Because

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if it's news, I can get my news anywhere. And

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so for Natalie and me, that's been an easy no

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to be able to say CBS goodbye. There's nothing that

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you're broadcasting, there's nothing you're offering, there's no stream, there's

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no online post that is valuable enough to me to

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So we're out on CBS until they get their shit together.

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Aaron Brokovich, have you seen that movie? I'll say I've

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got a soft spot for the film. I think she

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won an Oscar Best Actress for the film Aaron Brockovich,

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which kind of bugged me because, oh shit, who was

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the actress from the Exorcist? Who was in I totally

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drew a blank. Forgive me, here's my problem today. So

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those z Quill tablets. I bought some z quill like

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googled it. They said it's safe, it's not addictive, it

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like taking a baseball bat to the face. I was gone,

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and I woke up with this sort of groggy eyed,

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stunned flu like lethargy that I'm still shaking. What is

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her name? Ellen? In the chat? Hang on, hang on,

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She's still with us, She's still alive. Got to be

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in her eighties, Ellen Burston, Thank you. She was in

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the film. I think it was a Darren Aronofsky movie

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called Requiem for a Drink, and she was nominated for

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an Academy Award and should have won, but Julia Roberts

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won in Dead for Aaron Brokovic. And I think this

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is a problem. I just bugs me. I think, as

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much as I love films, the Academy Awards are really horseshit.

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They rarely get it right. It's almost always some stuffy

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period piece or you know, political piece. You see the

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films that won in the films that have lost throughout history.

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The ones that change the game are very rarely award winners,

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Are you shitting me? Green Book? It wentn't bad movie

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green Book anyway? Sorry? What was I talking about? Aaron Brokovic? Wow,

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I've got it bad. She is on a quest to

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expose where these secret data center facilities are being built.

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People don't want us to know about these because they're

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not popular with people. Newsweek article published the second of

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June erin Brockovich thanks Americans as data center photos start

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coming in. More than sixty six hundred people have contacted

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environmental activist Aaron Brockovich about AI data centers and their communities,

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contributing to a growing crowd sourced effort to track the

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facilities emerging across the United States. Six hundred and fifteen

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submissions have been sent in and counting. That's how many

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of you have written to us about AI data centers

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in your area as of May thirty first, Brokovich wrote

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on Facebook on Monday. The response highlights what Brockovich says

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about their environmental and infrastructure impact. Anyway, I'll let you

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read the rest of the article there on your own terms.

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Do you have an opinion about these data centers? We

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talk a lot about AI, the utility of AI. I

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the last few weeks. I'm working on a speech that

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I'm giving in Cincinnati in July, taking the stage with

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no illusions, and a few of the graphics. The best

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versions that I have are terrible in quality, and I

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have used AI to clean up the image. Please make

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this image high resolution. And this isn't like a historical

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document that it's going in and changing so that we're

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changing the truth of what it is. But it just

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looks terrible as far as the graphic that I'm going

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to show to the audience. So I go to AI

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and I say, please make this image high resolution. And

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in conflict about it. Now. I'm not making comic books

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of myself. I'm not making movies using AI and all

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those other things. So that's kind of how I've started

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to justify it. It's a tool, But is there a

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better way? I'm not able to clean these up myself.

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I don't know. How do you feel about that? Like

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all things do ye in moderation? Well, now, am I

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a hypocrite? Am I part of the problem? I might be?

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I know we're talking about some people who they do

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nothing but AII. They're using chat bots for counseling, for friendship,

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for romance, and they're amusing themselves all the time by

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making images that are just about amusement and don't have

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utility beyond that. You tell me what you think. There

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was one more thing, Oh, oh, we got to talk

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about representative Andy Ogels. So it's and this is a

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great month to see just how tissue skinned right wing

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evangelical conservatives are when it comes to having to share

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the world. It's a great black light on the attitudes

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about LGBT people. Well, there is a social media post

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on the account of Republican representative out of Tennessee and

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the Ogels. He posted homosexuality has no place in America.

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Happy Nuclear Family Month. Major backlash. People are pissed. It

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right wing Christian nationalist comes forward and blames an interurn.

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It wasn't it wasn't my idea. Well, I just stayed,

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oh that my account is handled by it an intern.

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So he throws the Intern under the bus, But when pressed,

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he has still not said it was wrong, and he

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apologizes and he supports the gay community. He will not

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go even that far to say I'm sorry, this was

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a mistake. It's not the message I want to send

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in these perilous times. I think all people deserve love

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and respect, and I just want to try to make

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things right and let you know that this kind of

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thing will never happen again. Even if he blames the INTERN,

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I should have done a better job of managing this account,

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and I will now issue a formal apology for the

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record on the same sad account. Nothing of the kind.

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You know it was him, You know it, or almost

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certainly know it and whatever happened. You know that this

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is how he feels about LGBT people. It's just pathetic.

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It's pathetic. I would love to talk about whatever you

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would like to talk about today on this bonus stream.

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We'll call it the restoring the floor. What the hell,

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let's lament the culture and entertain and amuse each other stream.

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We will continue next. I am going to attempt to

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talk to Jamie, who was idling in at two oh five. Jamie,

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are you there?

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Speaker 3: I am Hi.

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Speaker 2: Welllcome Jamie. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 3: I'll go a lot of things on my mind lately.

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I'd like to say sorry for my sick accent. I'm

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from Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind at all. I think it's charming. Welcome

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to the show. What are you thinking today?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Well, I was listening to your intro and I

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can't emphasive with your situation. At the end of February,

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a tree fell through my living room.

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Speaker 2: How did that happen? Storms?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we had a microburst of like seventy five mile

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an hour winds between three pine trees catty corner to

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our house. And when I'm snapped off about halfway up

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like a match stick, and flew across our yard and

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landed on the roof, and a branch came in through

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the ceiling in the living room while I was here.

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Speaker 2: What was your recourse when that happened?

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Speaker 3: Nothing? Really, I know. I panicked first because I have

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four cats and a dog, so I'm trying to wrangle

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all of them into the bedroom and then get buckets

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because of course buckets are coming down from the sky

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at the same time, and so that rain is coming

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into our house. From grabbing towels and buckets and trying

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to call my husband who's on his way home from work,

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and then I look up and there's a fire in

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the front yard. What is happening?

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Speaker 2: And it rains? Of course, tell me there's not a

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still a tree in your living room?

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Speaker 3: Please, no, no, thankfully. We also have insurance, which we

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pay way too much for, of course, and they are

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they've they've restored us pretty much. Where the tree landed

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on the outside of the house, it busted open our

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septic tank, so now we have to get that replaced

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as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. You know, I think God is angry at you.

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That's the only explanation it must.

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Speaker 3: Be, because I don't believe in it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, deny Christ and you pay the price, right.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I'm more than happy to pay the price

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for denying someone who died over two thousand years ago

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and has stayed dead.

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Speaker 2: You have any thoughts about all the culture stuff that's

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going on around us, the world we live in. What

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do you think?

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Speaker 3: I hate everything about it, and I'm pretty lonely. I

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mean I am in Alabama. There aren't very many like

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minded people around here.

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Speaker 2: A speaking tour stop I did in Mobile, Alabama, it's

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been six seven years at least, and we had a

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packed house, and I got the impression that there was

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an underground of people in that highly religious, highly conservative

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state that were desperate to not feel the way that

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you feel. A lot of them lied about the fact

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that they were going to hear an atheist, because if

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they'd said, I'm going to hear this guy named Seth Andrews,

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it probably would have gotten him in trouble. So I

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can feel your pain.

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Speaker 3: Over there, and yes there is pain here, a lot

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of it.

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Speaker 2: Anything else on your mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm angry at the governor who just basically coued

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our state for Republicans. She threw out all of the

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primary votes for mister Jones.

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Speaker 2: For those who are to wear there is and thank

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you Supreme Court. There is a massive effort underway to

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read district and further gerrymannder states where black representatives have

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been elected, and so now they're like, oh, fine, we're

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going to redraw the lines. We're going to nullify the

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will of the people in those groups. And those who

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are being removed are overwhelmingly not conservative and they are

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overwhelmingly people of color. Essentially, the South is rising again

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in the worst sense of the word. It must be

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difficult to watch that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very difficult to watch. And I don't know.

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I called you about four years ago after my uncle's funeral.

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I was very upset about how they had spoken to

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us and about my uncle.

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Speaker 2: Did they turn it the memorial into a church service?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and they had already known of me and my

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husband's lack of belief until it was very predatory entire time.

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Speaker 2: They literally built a soapbox on his casket. And it's offensive, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, very offensive.

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Speaker 2: Well, Alabama is better with you in it, and this

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show has been better with you in it as well.

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Thank you for calling me, Jamie.

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Speaker 4: You take care, Thank you you too.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you later. I am going to

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read some of the chat. I did this last time

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because I had trouble taking calls technically, and people seem

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to enjoy that. Oh, I'll do that. Clark said, do

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you need a conversation topic. Here's one. Birds are modern dinosaurs.

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Angels have feathered wings like birds. Angels are part dinosaur.

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Discuss I like that angels are dinosaurs. Have you ever

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seen those depictions of a biblically accurate angel? Oh, hang on,

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let me pull this up. Biblically they are terrifying. They're

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terrifying biblically accurate angel. Oh there's one. Okay, it's on Reddit.

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Let me see if I can pull this up for

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the video viewers. How terrifying is that? So it's a

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multi winged I don't know how many wings I see one, two, three, four, five.

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I'd have to go read the scripture forgive me. And

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it's covered in eyeballs, and it's drawn directly out of

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the Bible. It's just drawn directly out of the Bible.

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Let me see if I can find that verse about

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the biblically accurate angel. Let's see four wings and four faces. Bronze,

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burnished legs, straight feet like a calf, and human hands

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under their wings. Their entire bodies, wings, backs, and hands

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are completely covered in eyes. We find the stories of

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these in Ezekiel, specifically chapter one and chapter ten. Isaiah

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six talks about the burning ones positioned directly above the

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throne of God. They use two wings to cover their faces,

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two to cover their feet, and the remaining to fly.

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These creatures constantly sing praises to God. Oh yeah, I

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mean you and I think angels When we think of

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a Thomas Kincaid painting. We think of those precious moments figurines.

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We don't think of a multi winged, eyeball covered thing

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coming to hover above us. I mean, if you got

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to have an angel, at least that would be more interesting.

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What else did I have here?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Cigarettes has said using AI to speed up your

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own work, especially personal work, is pretty harmless. If you

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were never going to involve or high here's someone else

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to do the work. I don't think that's particularly harmful.

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Peter said, I told the Google AI overview engine that

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I wanted to track down its data center and pull

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the plug it told me to get in line let's

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talk to Tom dialing in from four zero six. Welcome

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to the show. Tom. Are you there, Hello, Seth. Good

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to talk to you Tom. It's on your mind, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, this is the first time I've ever

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called in to anybody, and so my thoughts are a

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little bit scattered. But you know, I was born and

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raised in a religious commune many years ago. I'm seventy

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years old. It was a very long journey coming out.

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Matt Gilohaney about twelve fourteen years ago. I was watching

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him every Sunday, So that was kind of when I

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became an atheist. And the pain and agony that I

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saw because of religion has turned me into a militant atheist,

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and I try not to display it openly. I admire

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your ability to be kind to some of those people

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on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't always work. I mean, we all have

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our breaking point, but overall, I appreciate that. I try

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to remain relatively centered. But anger is justifiable, and you

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and I are outraged at the outrageous So I think

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it's just fine to feel that. You probably feel outraged

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even now, right I do.

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Speaker 5: I see the effects of religion everywhere. I go everywhere

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I move. I have been through your part of Oklahoma,

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east of Oklahoma City, in a thirty to fifty mile

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area out in the boondocks, nothing but four way stop

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shines and trees and massive churches on three of the

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four corners at a four way sh shine. And it

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makes me wonder, you know, where are all these people

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coming from? Where's all this money coming from? I think

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we could text those people maybe and do some good.

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Speaker 2: It's a catch twenty two. The people who are the

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most influential as to who get taxed are the people

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we want to tax who do not want to be taxed.

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And yet we don't seem to have the power to

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be able to stop what they're doing because we are

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not worth five hundred billion dollars. Did you read that

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Elon Musk is looking at a potential payout package on note,

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some kind of a financial windfall for him that might

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make him the planet's first trillionaire. Can you imagine one

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person being worth a trillion dollars?

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Speaker 5: And yeah, and they're using that money for an unbreakable power.

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It seems to be with the technology we have today

475
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,359
that they might be able to afford surveillance to the

476
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,400
point where their power is unbreakable.

477
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Well, anything else on your mind, my friend, No, I.

478
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,799
Speaker 5: Just want to say I appreciate all of the very

479
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,960
intelligent people on all the various talk shows that I

480
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,720
see you on with you and Matt and many of

481
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,799
the other people. Appreciate listening to you and watching you.

482
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Thank you. It means the world. Thank you for calling

483
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,440
the show. Take care. I have been recently posting on

484
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:34,079
YouTube more clips from my appearances on the Line, and

485
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,519
they encourage that, and I think it's cool. It gives

486
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,480
me a chance to share them with you. I can

487
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,519
kind of harvest out some specific sections that interest me,

488
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,440
and of course it cross pollinates the channels. Everybody wins.

489
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,799
We had a recent I think the call itself was

490
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,519
like almost an hour long, where this guy was calling

491
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,000
to school forest of Alchai and Me about how if

492
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,720
you don't believe in an afterlife, you can't know what's moral,

493
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,240
or at least you don't have the leg to stand

494
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,640
on to call something immoral if you don't believe in

495
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:12,119
an afterlife. I don't think that's remotely true. We had

496
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,119
a guy on the line I was hosting with Matt

497
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,759
a few days ago and he was talking about Oh shit,

498
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,559
where was his line? Forgive me? I've got something stuck

499
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,759
in my eye, so I keep rubbing my left eye again.

500
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,079
It must be God. He's trying to irritate me, so

501
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,519
I can't focus. What did he say? Something about consciousness

502
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,799
travels on light beams? Consciousness? Was it consciousness that travels

503
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:42,440
on light something like that? And I'm like, well, okay,

504
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,400
let's say that that even makes sense. How would you

505
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,839
demonstrate that this is the nature of the calls? People

506
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,759
will dial in and they will make some wacky assertions

507
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,480
and these just become the foundation on which they build

508
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:02,440
an entire argument. So very often and sometimes I'd try

509
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,079
to give them plenty of rope. I think that's often

510
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,359
the charitable thing to do. Are you're going to throw

511
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,119
a premise out rather than completely freak out at the

512
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,359
very beginning, I'll breathe a little bit, I'll sit back

513
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,559
and let you start to build your structure before I

514
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,519
go back and ask about the foundation for that structure.

515
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,039
How do you know that consciousness travels on light beams?

516
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Or they tell me the nature of God, God is

517
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,839
the creator lover who has established the framework of this,

518
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,839
and then that he is the alpha and the omega,

519
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,960
the beginning of all things. This is a declarative statement.

520
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
God is well, so how do you know that? Which

521
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,279
God would it be? Can you demonstrate it for the

522
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,599
rest of us? And then they'll either pinball off to

523
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,440
a different subject because they can't defend the first claim,

524
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720
or they will make a second claim to demonstrate the

525
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,920
first claim that needs, you know, just as much proof

526
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,000
and doesn't heat that burden. It's wild. Sometimes it's for us,

527
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,279
my big thing. And I'm thankful for the callers on

528
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,759
this show. I really am. I mean a lot of

529
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,840
the apologists, the armchair apologists to call shows to get

530
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,599
them to find the point. You have a point, all right.

531
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800
You are here on this part of your journey, and

532
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,559
I would like you to take me here which is

533
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,440
the destination of that journey. I would like you to

534
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,320
find and get to the point. This seems basic, and

535
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,480
time and again it is unbelievable. They're like a june bug.

536
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,880
It's flying around in the early summer months, flies in

537
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,039
every direction, smashes into the screen door, falls down to

538
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:48,119
the porch, lays upside down with its wings flapping, flips

539
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:52,360
itself back over, goes airborne flies in every direction before

540
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,280
hitting the door, falling to the porch floor. Again. This

541
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000
is what a lot of the calls are like. And

542
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,559
I will admit but sometimes it is a bit of

543
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,880
a challenge to stay focused, you know. I mean, I

544
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,119
can be accused of having a not long attention span.

545
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440
And the more calls you take, the more you start

546
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,760
to think, Hey, well wait a minute, can't we do better.

547
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,599
Let's see, Peter said, I imagine a biblically accurate angel's

548
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:25,679
voice would probably have a lot of vestibular fold distortion,

549
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:31,159
very very accurate. How to ask the question, what's your

550
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,159
favorite dinosaur? This is easy. T Rex is just a

551
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,159
bad ass. But there are so many interesting ones out there.

552
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,559
T Rex, I know, is the easy one. Diana, how's

553
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:46,079
your bird feeder watching going? Oh it's amazing. Now here's

554
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:50,480
the story you haven't heard. I look out back. There

555
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,719
is a white parakeet with green wings. This is not

556
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,719
a wild bird. This was obviously somebody's pet. And we're like, whoa, whoa,

557
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,119
why in the world? IMiD all the sparrows and the

558
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,480
starlings and the blackbirds and the cardinals and the turtle doves,

559
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,480
how did a white parakeet end up on our bird feeder,

560
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:17,440
and what do we do about it? It's gorgeous, It

561
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,679
is just a beautiful bird. So we look up bird

562
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,920
rescue in our area. We have a conversation and they say, oh,

563
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:31,559
this is a problem. This obviously was someone's pet. It

564
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,280
will not survive if it is left in the wild,

565
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,559
it'll either get picked off by a predator. Was that

566
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,960
because of the color, I guess, but it certainly wouldn't

567
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960
survive the winter. If it lives throughout the summer and

568
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,559
fall months, the parakeet is not wired to survive the elements.

569
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:53,039
So now we're like, well, what do we do and

570
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:59,480
they say, well, we have to catch it. How are

571
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,599
we going to your parakeet? How are we going to

572
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:06,440
catch a parakeet? Where they say, here's the method. You

573
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,840
take a cage and you take millet, which is this stuff,

574
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,320
this food that parakeets love. You hang it off a

575
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,960
little stem, You put the millet in the cage, and

576
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,800
then you take a trail of bird feed and you

577
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,400
make a path leading into the cage. So in the theory,

578
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,360
parakeet comes down and says yummy, starts pegging away at

579
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,239
the bird feed path. Walks into the cage, eats the millet,

580
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,760
and somehow we're supposed to walk up and close the

581
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,280
door to cage the animal and then it can There's

582
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,079
an aviary about twenty five miles from here with space

583
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,079
for it to fly, but it's it's protected. I don't

584
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,239
know that these people are experts and knowing how to

585
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,280
care for exotic birds. I don't know what I'm talking about,

586
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,760
but they were advising us. We have had no luck.

587
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,599
This parakeet wants nothing to do with the cage. So

588
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,440
then Natalie says, I'm going wiley coyote on this thing.

589
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,480
So I'm going to take a box with a stick.

590
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,679
I'll put it out back and I'm going to do

591
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,159
the same thing. He doesn't like the cage, but maybe

592
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:18,159
he won't care about the box, the cardboard box, and

593
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,639
he's going to peck its way down the food path

594
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,239
toward the millet, and then I'm going to pull the

595
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,440
little string that's attached to the stick, and the wiley

596
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,679
coyote box drops down, and then quickly I'm going to

597
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,280
go out and scoot him from the box into the

598
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,679
nearby cage, which has been hidden, and then we will

599
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:41,559
take him off to the rescue and the avier. I'm like,

600
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,800
you could be shitting me. There's absolutely no way. First

601
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
of all, he's not going to go under the box. Secondly,

602
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:49,320
you are not going to be able to scoop him

603
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,679
up and get him into the cage without somebody getting hurt.

604
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,719
But it's like seeing a unicorn. He flies up in

605
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,920
the morning, usually between seven and nine. He comes by

606
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,639
for a snack during the midday, and he's there before

607
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,719
six o'clock at night. When he shows up, it's an event.

608
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,920
We take photographs. We're taking screenshots from the bird feeder camera.

609
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,079
We've had friends come by when he's here and we

610
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,400
all push our faces up against the window. There he is,

611
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,239
I've got he or she. We just say he beautiful

612
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:30,960
white bird with this green hue on both of the wings,

613
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,039
and when it flies, it flies so happy. It's just

614
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,239
a happy flight. And then we have conflict. Wait a minute,

615
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,920
he's living his best life. He's able to come and

616
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,440
go as he pleases, and he gets snacks on the

617
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,840
bird feeder whenever he wants. And now we want to

618
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,559
catch him and put him in prison, and the rest

619
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:56,679
of his life he'll be behind the slammer bars. Go

620
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,920
and get me out of here. I miss my farm,

621
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,519
her life. So then Natalie's like, I don't know what

622
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,960
to do that. We let him live his left his

623
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,840
best life for six months until the freeze hits and

624
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,480
we just we just say, hey, you know, you had

625
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,039
a good run. That seems cruel. I want a bird

626
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,960
to freeze to death. But then if you catch him

627
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,280
and you put him in a box, the aviary is

628
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,639
not a box, though I don't know. This is where

629
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:30,280
we've been at bird watching wise, so even now I

630
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,239
am excited to go downstairs and look out the back

631
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
window because and this parakeet needs a name. So far

632
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,639
we've just called him pretty bird, pretty bird, pretty birds. Here,

633
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,199
I take pictures. I text her while she's at work.

634
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,920
Pretty Bird. We'll sit on the back porch and wait

635
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,039
for pretty Bird. It's a he's a unicorn. It's magical

636
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,519
when he arrives. Whatever else you want to talk about,

637
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:08,079
you let me know. We'll continue the conversations next. A

638
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,480
lot of good stuff coming up on the event horizon.

639
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,239
That's kind of a cool way to say it. Event

640
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:18,119
horizon on the event calendar in just a few days,

641
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,079
June twelfth through the fourteenth, Atlanta, Georgia. It's Reason for Bible.

642
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,719
We've got the ark In counter protest happening on the

643
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,880
twelfth of July in Williamstown, Kentucky. The day before that,

644
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,599
on Saturday, the eleventh, it's Me and No Illusions. The

645
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,800
Scathing Atheist in Cincinnati taken the stage for a three

646
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,440
hour deal and at least half of that is us

647
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,840
interacting with the audience. It is going to be so

648
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,960
much fun. Nanocon Nashville, Tennessee, August first, the World Humanist

649
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,760
Congress in Ottawa August seventh through the ninth. Baha Cohn

650
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,559
the Bluewater Atheist Humanist Agnostics event in Sarnia, Ontario. That's

651
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,800
the third weekend in August. The Freedom from Religion National

652
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,719
Convention is happening October sixteenth through the eighteenth. That's a Milwaukee,

653
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,119
Wisconsin event. And in Huntsville, Alabama, October twenty third through

654
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,320
the twenty fifth, it is Rocket City. Reason. These are

655
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,440
a blest, so much fun, sober freshing to be around

656
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,719
people who get us, people who share values with us.

657
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,480
We learn a lot of stuff, We make a lot

658
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,679
of friends, We eat a lot of food, We play

659
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,760
a lot of music and games, and mostly just hang

660
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,519
out details on everything the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events.

661
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,280
I hope you can make it to at least one

662
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,599
of these things, Zarion said. AI takes all the jobs,

663
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,599
the consumerism based economy collapses, the billionaires go broke. Great

664
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,159
reset complete. Harvey asked the question, what are the odds

665
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,280
the owner of the parakeet has been putting out lost bird?

666
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,599
We're a step ahead of you. There are sites where

667
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:09,519
people can post, and we have been checking. How far

668
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,679
can a parakeet fly? Do we assume it's somewhere in

669
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,280
the region, in our neighborhood or an adjacent one, or

670
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,440
is he from fifty miles from across the state from

671
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,199
so Ide? I don't know, but he's gorgeous, pretty bird.

672
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,280
Let's go back to the phones and talk to area

673
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,719
code two zero six? Is it Elisio? Help me pronounce

674
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,719
your name, eliseo Iliso. Very kind to correct me. What

675
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,079
did you Yeah? Yeah? What's on your mind today? What

676
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,400
do you want to talk about?

677
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

678
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: Ayles is my second language. I'll try to seek as

679
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:42,519
lately as possible.

680
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: You're doing great, but let me tell you, you.

681
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: And Dan Barker are probably the two people more responsible

682
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,039
for me being an atheist. So I just wanted to

683
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:52,880
thank you personally.

684
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,639
Speaker 2: Dan Barker was part of my journey too. When I

685
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,519
was deconstructing, I stumbled upon his book Godless and it

686
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,320
was a game changer. And then I got to meet

687
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,599
him and we became friends. And every time I see him,

688
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,280
I always just kind of wink at him and go,

689
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:09,559
your book changed my life. But next time I see him,

690
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,280
I'll tell him. I'll tell him that you call, that

691
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,039
he'll make his day go ahead. What else?

692
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just wanted to share a little bit

693
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,159
of my story. I've been here since I think eight

694
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,039
in the United States, and I got here with my family.

695
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,360
I'm documented. The story was my oldest kid, he was

696
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,199
born here in the United States. When you grew up

697
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:34,039
in Mexico seeing people going up north and they come

698
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,360
back a couple of years later, and they build a

699
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,519
house and they for their lives, you grow up, you know,

700
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,400
inspiring to make that kind of money too and have

701
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,119
a house. I used to live in a cardboard house

702
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:48,719
when I was a kid. You don't think about breaking

703
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,280
the rules or breaking the law. You think that that's

704
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,079
how it works. So when I was sixteen, I came

705
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,599
here to the States the first time. I'm documented in

706
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,079
the Nice States for a couple of years. Then my

707
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,960
ear is born was born in Arizona. And then all

708
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,280
of a sudden, I realized, wait a minute, I did

709
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,119
broke the law and I'm not going to be able

710
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,599
to live peacefully here. So I told my wife's, ay,

711
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,920
why don't we just go back to Mexico. We build

712
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,679
a house, we have some savings, let's go back over there,

713
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,480
because it looks like we're going to have a hard

714
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,960
time here anyways. So that's what we did. A long

715
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,400
story short, we have our second kids and he was

716
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,760
diagnosed with chemophilia. So our doctor over there, he's like,

717
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,639
if you guys can throw the border again, he will

718
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,079
get a much better life over there than here, because

719
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,280
back then the treatment was like twenty years in the past.

720
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,320
They didn't even know what it was exactly. They don't

721
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,599
know how to trade it. So time passes. We're here

722
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,519
a long time. Whenever it told our eighteen year old kid,

723
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,400
now our second kid, that he was born in Mexico,

724
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,280
whenever we want him to grow up feeling less or

725
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,599
being afraid, he will always stop the question like Hey,

726
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,360
why will never take an airplane? Like we go to

727
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,039
California to business once a year, but we never actually

728
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,599
lie over there. We drive over there because I was

729
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,119
afraid to take an airplane because you know US customs. Yeah,

730
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,920
fail agents being in the airport.

731
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 5: So five years ago. We usually go to.

732
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: An integration lawyer once a year to expose or archase

733
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:24,079
these sing changes. We pay our taxes. You don't break

734
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,119
any other laws than what we did break in the

735
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,880
law by crossing and documented to the United States.

736
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: A lot of the people bought into this narrative that

737
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,239
it was, you know, it was all about danger. They're

738
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880
coming for you. They're crawling over the border in mobs,

739
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,840
and they're criminals. They are the worst. And yet if

740
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,079
we watch the people that I surrounding up, it's moms

741
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,719
and dads and teachers and doctors and hard workers and

742
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,800
construction people and office managers and counselors. I just swear

743
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,360
they're just everyday people being stripped away from their families.

744
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,639
And all the people that I have ever seen who

745
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,159
have freaked out and said Ice needs to go and

746
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,880
grab these people. They can't name one specific instance wherein

747
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,679
immigrants documented or otherwise has negatively impacted their life or

748
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,119
put them in danger. And they can't defend the fact

749
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,679
that the people being rounded up, kidnapped, and deported are

750
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,960
not murderers and rapists and thieves, but hardworking people who

751
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,800
simply wanted to escape struggle. You know, they don't have

752
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,800
any idea what it's like to have been raised in

753
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,880
a place where there's almost no shelter except for a

754
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,440
piece of cardboard. Right, most of these people, they're huffing

755
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:39,360
and puffing from a place of absolute privilege.

756
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when I told my kids, look, you weren't

757
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:47,760
born in Mexico, you were undocumental until very few days ago,

758
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,440
and I had to fill them because we had to

759
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,039
take or biometrics of the SBI just to make sure

760
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,039
we didn't have any crimes. He couldn't comprehend the gravity

761
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:56,760
of the situation.

762
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: I never expected to live in a nation where we

763
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,280
would be disappearing people mask agents would show up at

764
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,159
random and disappear people. And yet that is where we are.

765
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,480
And also we see that even our elected officials are

766
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,320
being denied access to the detention centers in this country

767
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:21,119
because they would be according to the Trump administration, far

768
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,840
too disruptive to those detention centers. Meanwhile, our taxpayers are

769
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,440
our tax dollars rather are funding them, and our elected

770
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,880
representatives have every right to go in and report on

771
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:40,280
what's happening. They're hiding abuse, neglect, starvation, torture, sickness, et cetera,

772
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,440
the human misery that they know most Americans would not want,

773
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,039
would not support, and would resist, so it's easier to

774
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,480
keep it out of sight. I wish we as a

775
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:56,079
culture were interested enough and focused enough to make it

776
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,920
nearly impossible for them to keep those doors and windows locked.

777
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400
I wish we could put more pressure on them. You

778
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,280
doing okay these days, my friend?

779
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, we have a permit. Now, I'm

780
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,920
a business owner. When I got here and documented, I

781
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,800
realized that I didn't need a Social Security to be

782
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,440
a licensed contractor. So that's what I did at the beginning.

783
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,119
Now that I have my permit, I can I can

784
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,679
do it without hiding or going to places that I

785
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,440
couldn't go before. But yeah, I just wanted to share

786
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,280
a little bit of that story. And one more thing.

787
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,119
I remember when I got my permit from Immigration, it

788
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,719
was a mixed feeling. I was very, very happy, At

789
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,599
the same time, I was so sad because I knew

790
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:40,599
so many people, so many families. They deserve the thing

791
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,239
that I have. They can have it because they didn't

792
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,119
went through the thing that I went to. When across

793
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,639
the border, I say, I didn't do anything scheduled to

794
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:50,440
get it. It was use the circumstances. And if you weren't

795
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,840
for those circumstances, how we still undocumented? I say, I

796
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,440
know at least twenty thirty families, really good members of society,

797
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,079
the stand up citizens other than I don't have the documents.

798
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: Right. Well, thank you for the perspective and for humanizing

799
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,079
a circumstance that desperately needs it, and you'd be safe

800
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,280
and keep kicking. Okay, all right, thank you, thank you

801
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:19,079
very much, Peter said a cat. We'll probably get the

802
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:25,719
bird before summer is out. Very possible. Let's see. Is

803
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,679
it ether?

804
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

805
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm reading in sections, but there are no

806
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,519
spaces in my brain glitches because of the ze quill.

807
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:39,199
It's ethereal, region said night Quil, night quil. In the

808
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,480
bird feed you want me to dose the bird? Oh

809
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,719
my god. We had a horrifying day. I had to

810
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,159
go back and spray for some there's a big section

811
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,159
of weeds overgrown in a little rocky area. I got

812
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:54,760
a rock and a little tree, and so some some

813
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,679
weeds were growing, and this was relatively close to the feeder.

814
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,960
So I went out and I spray weed killer and

815
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,360
then bird seed gets kicked out by this freaking blackbird.

816
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,079
I don't know it was a crow or what it was,

817
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,400
but they go in and apparently they're looking for a

818
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,639
certain kind of bird seeds, so they use their feet

819
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,920
and they kick all the feed out. Well, some of

820
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,239
it went that far, and I saw other birds go

821
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,239
in and start pecking feed out of the poisoned area.

822
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,679
And there's nothing I could do about it. I mean,

823
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
I can't stand out there and see the birds away.

824
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,800
So I thought, oh my god, I've killed birds. I

825
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,119
googled it. It said, uh oh, this might cause sickness

826
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:43,519
or neurological disorders in birds. And I didn't know what

827
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,119
else to do but just leave it and yell an

828
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:51,199
apology from the back porch. Still on the birds. People

829
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,760
are interested sin and tonics that I've been doing aviary.

830
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,000
They're actually wonderful. They would be able to take specialized

831
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,320
care of bird I'm so glad to hear that. Harvey said.

832
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,079
Atheist just being a birdwatcher finds himself struggling over the

833
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:11,920
proper choice that would be kind as to an escaped parakeet.

834
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:18,800
And they say we have no morality, no kidding, perhaps

835
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,599
my morality wrote in on a beam of Light, Rip

836
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:34,039
steak Face nine thousand, Okay said Republican Congress people deserve

837
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,599
prison for what they've done to this country. They're traders.

838
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,360
I would include right wing media. Fox News has blood

839
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:50,320
on its hands, Jay Gs said. In current times, I've

840
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:57,719
learned all victories are temporary. The fight never ends. And

841
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,960
it looks like we've got a believer in the chat.

842
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:08,199
Ill Cat has proclaimed with praying hands, Jesus is God. Okay,

843
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,119
can you demonstrate that for me? I'm releasing my speech

844
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,320
in a few days on white Jesus. There was it

845
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,239
white Jesus that's God? Is it the love everybody progressive Jesus?

846
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,880
Or is it the Jesus that's related to yahweh that

847
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:27,840
essentially messes everybody up and jealous and nasty and genocidal

848
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,519
and like slavery and produces women Jesus. In my final segment,

849
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,360
I'm gonna read from a recent interaction I had with

850
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,960
another one of these progressive pastors who apparently needs an

851
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,960
atheist to teach them the Bible. I found that it

852
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,599
was wildly entertaining and instructive. Perhaps you will feel the same.

853
00:53:49,719 --> 00:54:01,559
I will perform for you the words of this exchange. Next. Okay,

854
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,800
this relates to a recent Facebook exchange. The gist is

855
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:11,960
there is a pastor named William Wade Burlisson, and he

856
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:16,360
was talking about the Southern Baptist Convention that's still in

857
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,000
the year twenty twenty six, arguing about whether or not

858
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:28,559
women should be pastors. I'm sorry, what century is this? Okay,

859
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:33,719
there it is. So he's like, well, I disagree with

860
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,159
the Southern Baptist Convention because women have so much to

861
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,840
offer in ministry. Now, this guy didn't say that women

862
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,480
should be senior pastors. He didn't go that far, but

863
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,559
he was talking about how Jesus celebrates women and that

864
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,320
it's an atrocity that the Southern Baptist Convention won't let

865
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,920
women in positions of teaching. What does that even mean?

866
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,239
What is teaching? What's the definition according to the spec

867
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,679
Does that mean they can't sit at a table? With

868
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,400
a man nearby and talk about what scripture means. Does

869
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,199
it mean they're not given authority to teach a Sunday

870
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,199
school class because there's a man sitting somewhere in the room.

871
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,840
Doesn't mean they can't share their faith and evangelize if

872
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,000
there's a man involved. This was the gist of And

873
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,440
there's a long, long article that I'm not going to

874
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,719
bother reading for you because most of it I can

875
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,599
sum up much faster and much more efficiently, because that's

876
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,679
just how I roll. But his take, and we've heard

877
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,519
a lot of this is God is pro woman. Jesus

878
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:41,280
would never want to silence women when it comes to

879
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,159
teaching his word. Again, he did not say women could

880
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,679
be senior pastors. He did not go that far. Let

881
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,159
me see if I can pull this up for the viewers.

882
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:58,679
As I read along, he talks about gifted women being excluded. Well,

883
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,599
I jumped in with some perspective, and I end up

884
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,599
doing this a lot with pastors. You're a pastor, You're

885
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,599
supposed to know your Bible. Why am I having to

886
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:12,559
come in and teach you the Bible? I said? Unfortunately,

887
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,280
the Southern Baptist Convention is drawing its tragic ideas about

888
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,000
women directly from a sexist Bible. The book written by

889
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:25,440
men might occasionally use lofty language about honor, but the

890
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:31,440
edicts of God and man are unavoidably bad. In Leviticus fifteen,

891
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,440
men's trating women were called unclean. That chapter helpfully instructs

892
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,239
when she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count

893
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,079
off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean.

894
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,119
Strange as this natural bodily process was embraced as sacred

895
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,159
in ancient Greece, Egypt, and beyond. Who could forget Yahweh's

896
00:56:56,159 --> 00:57:00,360
command that Moses's army slaughter all of Midian Oh, look,

897
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:06,239
baby murder, but could kidnap female virgins for themselves? Numbers

898
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,159
thirty one is a real gem, folks. Also see Leviticus

899
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:14,639
twenty seven, which values women's slaves about half as much

900
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:19,360
as male ones. Then come the writings of Paul first

901
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,719
Timathy two eleven through fifteen. A woman should learn in

902
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,199
quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman

903
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,400
to teach or to have authority over a man. She

904
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:34,039
must be silent or Adam was formed first, then Eve,

905
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,280
and Adam was not the one deceived. It was the

906
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,480
woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women

907
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:47,679
will be saved through child bearing if they continue in faith, love,

908
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,599
and holiness with propriety. By the way, propriety means you

909
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,760
need to submit to your man and shut the hell up,

910
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,000
I think one Corinthians fourteen thirty three through thirty five.

911
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,360
As in all the congregations of the Saints, women should

912
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,440
remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak,

913
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:11,360
but must be in submission, as the law says. If

914
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,440
they want to inquire about something, they should ask their

915
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,320
own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a

916
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,519
woman to speak in church. Continuing, Paul such a lovely

917
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,519
writer about women, is he not? Ephesians chapter five, verses

918
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:32,719
twenty two through twenty four. Wives submit to your husbands

919
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:35,639
as to the Lord, for the husband is the head

920
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:39,119
of the church, is body of which he is the Savior.

921
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,320
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives

922
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,079
should submit to their husbands in everything. And I finish

923
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:52,639
up by saying, I appreciate egalitarian Christians committed to the

924
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:56,920
protection and promotion of gender equality, but these progressives can

925
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,480
only justify those positions if they exact own hold portions

926
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,760
of their Good Book. To take that moral position, they must,

927
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,440
in the literal sense, be less Christian and more of

928
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,920
a humanist at the very least pro woman. Christians are

929
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,480
fashioning on God in their own image. Well, a helpful

930
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:24,280
believer chimed in, and I will continue, Carrie said, as

931
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,079
a woman who was familiar with history and has read

932
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,360
the Bible, I must disagree with your assessment. Now I

933
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,119
follow back up, so stick with me here. First, Jesus

934
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:38,440
himself explained why the great Moses did not accurately nor

935
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:43,199
fully express the true wishes of God. He pointed out,

936
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:46,239
divorce was given by Moses as a concession due to

937
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,159
the hardness of hearts of men. Mother words must be

938
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:55,199
mother words? Is it? In other words, what does she

939
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,280
mean the alternative? Forcing people to live together without any

940
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,800
alternative is disastrous, not because marriage is wrong, but because

941
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,239
men are cruel. So he forged another better covenant in

942
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his own blood. In other words, God wasn't able to

943
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overcome the existing model and the hardness of man's hearts.

944
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,679
God couldn't or two words that should not go together

945
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,719
if we were talking about omnipotence, Carrie continues, we are

946
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,960
called upon to consider what happened to the ancients as

947
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:33,239
examples for us. You bring up menstruation. Jesus reversed this law.

948
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,760
Why the hell would Jesus need to reverse it. He

949
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,280
reversed this law by healing the woman with the issue

950
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,639
of blood. Well, that's not reversing the law. That's a

951
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,559
single act of healing. Just think about how immensely world

952
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,320
shattering it is to understand that God himself reversed the

953
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,079
curse attached to menstruation and childbirth, loving women so much

954
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,280
that he came down from heaven to heal a woman

955
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,320
who was bleeding from her uterist. He met a woman

956
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,480
at the well, which biblically is how the prophets met

957
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:14,039
brides and turned the divorce and abandoned trafficked women into

958
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:19,000
an evangelist. He used women. I don't really want to

959
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:24,000
skip past that. He used women and shepherds and prostitutes

960
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,320
and tax collectors to speak for him, to be his witnesses,

961
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:32,920
overturning the prior laws and cultural rules. I'm about half

962
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960
done with her. Hang on, I have to read all

963
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,920
of it that she said, because I respond and I

964
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,440
want to make sure that there's context. His own ancestry

965
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,920
includes rejected lines of people. When you read the second

966
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,360
chapter of Malachi in the original languages, you find it's

967
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,960
been mistranslated by men, and God didn't correct the record.

968
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,039
God just happy to leave it mistranslated. Right back to

969
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,840
the art. God doesn't hate divorce. He hates men being

970
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,280
violent and unfaithful to their wives who were given to

971
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,079
them to protect. Which men the priests? God instead divorced

972
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,440
the priests. His book is filled with women who are prophets.

973
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,000
So a woman who is a judge, a woman who

974
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,719
gets the glory, women who are faithful. There are worse

975
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,159
things than to die. But do you notice that the

976
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:27,280
gentiles whose sins were formally overlooked now are called to

977
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,519
be his people? Have you ever notched got to be

978
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:34,760
noticed that when the prophets asked God to reconsider, he did.

979
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:39,960
Why would God need to reconsider? Did you reflect on

980
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:45,199
what The direct result of Paul's words above was Women

981
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:52,960
were allowed to learn allowed women were allowed to learn

982
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:55,679
in a world where women could still be slaves, the

983
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,400
men were required to let them learn, and he did.

984
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,480
When Pliny was Pliny the Elder was persecuting the church,

985
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:10,400
he captured and tortured two deaconesses. They were called ministry

986
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,719
or ministers in the Latin. So if you believe there

987
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,039
is injustice in the church, what is your option? Oh,

988
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,760
I love it when people make my case for me.

989
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,440
So I responded, I said, we love our chains under

990
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:32,000
current and much of this. Firstly, the cursive menstruation your

991
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:35,559
word curse links to the tragic blaming of Eve and

992
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:39,440
the garden. In that story, a few interesting things happen.

993
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:43,719
Number One, omniscient Yahweh knows all things across all of time,

994
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:48,599
yet implements a perfect plan that totally tanks in the

995
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:53,880
third chapter of Genesis. Number two, that supposed failure arrives

996
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,880
when God creates imperfect creatures and then punishes them for

997
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:03,159
acting imperfectly. Extra points deducted for directly tempting them with

998
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,760
the tree and then allowing his arch enemy access to

999
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,639
their naive ears. This is like tossing a hand grenade

1000
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,880
into a nursery and blaming babies when one of them

1001
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:19,360
pulls the pin. Number three, Yahweh's wise solution for punishment

1002
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:23,519
is to make Eve and what the fuck every woman

1003
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:29,440
for all future generations experience agony vaginal tearing and often

1004
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:35,119
baby trauma. Also, notice that Yahweh's punishment involves a woman's

1005
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:38,599
sexual attraction. Quote to the woman, he said, I will

1006
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:42,760
surely multiply your pain and child bearing. Of pain, you

1007
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,039
shall bring forth children in pain, brother, you shall bring

1008
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:51,000
forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and

1009
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:55,159
he shall rule over you. In other words, Eve and

1010
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,840
her female descendants are cursed. There's that word again, to

1011
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:02,079
scream in the delay savery room after getting hot for

1012
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:06,480
the husbands who are also there. Rulers tell me again

1013
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:11,719
how men didn't write the Bible to serve men sins. Forever,

1014
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,000
apologists engage in games of twister to excuse and even

1015
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,119
defend this stuff. Slavery was one of the other lovely

1016
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,599
parts of God's model chattel. Slavery turned people into property,

1017
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,760
often passing down family lines as slave owners took possession

1018
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,960
of offspring. Then, of course, we have Yahweh's helpful rule

1019
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:35,719
about just how hard a master can beat his slave.

1020
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,400
Exodus twenty one twenty through twenty one says that if

1021
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,159
the slave regains consciousness within forty eight hours of the beating,

1022
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:48,360
the master is off the hook. Hashtag God is Love

1023
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,480
but if we're to return to women, I suppose i'd

1024
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,800
return to another of the Good God's guidelines again for

1025
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:01,760
the Lord's soldiers in battle, And I quote Deuteronomy chapter

1026
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,800
twenty one, verses ten through fourteen. When the Lord your

1027
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,519
God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners,

1028
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,719
you may see among them a beautiful woman that you

1029
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,079
like and want to marry. Take her to your home,

1030
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,360
where she will shave her head, cut her fingernails, and

1031
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,400
change her clothes. She is to stay in your home

1032
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,880
and mourn for her parents for a month. After that

1033
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,800
you may marry her. Later, if you no longer want her,

1034
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,079
you are to let her go free, since you forced

1035
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:39,639
her to have intercourse with you. Since you forced her

1036
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,159
to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as

1037
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:49,639
a slave and sell her. And I say, in other words,

1038
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,679
after the righteous slaughterer has murdered a hot woman's family,

1039
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,159
he can kidnap her for himself. Then he's allowed to

1040
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,199
change her appearance, and if the woman hasn't pleased the

1041
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,119
man within a month, he can release her like a

1042
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:07,840
stray cat. Calling the Bible pro woman is like calling

1043
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:14,639
Tyson pro chicken. Now I hadn't seen this, but she

1044
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,760
has since responded. If you want, I can read this

1045
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,559
cold in the chat. Do you want me to take

1046
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:23,360
the time to read her response to my response to

1047
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,239
her response or what to make you cry?

1048
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 5: Oh?

1049
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I know I saw her first line and I

1050
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,840
have to read this. Let's see what Carrie has to

1051
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:39,800
say about this, Seth Andrews. Your anger amuses me. Well,

1052
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,599
I wasn't angry when I typed that. Did you hear anger?

1053
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,000
There may have been some snark. I don't think it

1054
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:50,599
was anger. Your anger amuses me. You're the one twisting

1055
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:56,119
the scriptures to support your anti godrant. Where did slavery

1056
01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,119
come from? Not God? It shows up in each it

1057
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:04,480
shows up in or There's no command or permission given

1058
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:08,440
by God before it's already fully on the scene. So

1059
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:15,559
what who gave man permission to be polygamous? It just

1060
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:22,119
shows up in Caneline. Actually polygamy followed incest right because

1061
01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:26,560
Eve had three sons before the world was repopulated. So

1062
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,239
they're doing it with mom. I'm sorry, I got to

1063
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,640
go back to what is so terrible about having a period?

1064
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,560
Did I say? I just said many cultures considered it

1065
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:48,760
sacred and it was a natural bodily process. What the fuck?

1066
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,600
What's she talking about? What's so terrible about having a period?

1067
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,840
How would you personally know? How does having one prove

1068
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,680
God doesn't value me as a person? Did I say

1069
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,439
anything like this? Did I say anything at all like

1070
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,439
what she's talking about? Such nonsense. I negotiated the greatest

1071
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:13,760
case in my career on a first degree murder charge

1072
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:18,239
while hemorrhaging so bad I should have been in the hospital.

1073
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:25,600
But I was given strength to overcome that. I negotiated

1074
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,000
the greatest case in my career on a first degree

1075
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,520
murder charge while hemorrhaging so bad I should have been

1076
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:39,199
in the hospital. So an attorney, maybe an attorney or

1077
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,960
charged with murder. I'm gonna go with attorney, benefit of

1078
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,239
the doubt for you, Carrie. But I was given strength

1079
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:51,079
to overcome that. Seriously, have you never read Scripture? It

1080
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:54,279
was not through Eve but Adam that sin was passed

1081
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,520
on to his descendants. What the fuck book at Genesis

1082
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,520
are you reading about? Eve is blamed for tempting Adam,

1083
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:09,800
and Adam and Eve were both tossed out of the garden. Sorry,

1084
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,359
it is through Eve that the seed of woman came

1085
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:16,920
into the world. Who vanquished sin and death that would

1086
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,159
not have happened if the sin nature was passed on

1087
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,359
via Eve and the egg. It is through Adam's sperm

1088
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,760
that all have died. Oh yeah, No, I want to

1089
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,159
hear a sermon on that. I'm want to open a

1090
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:36,119
church program on a Sunday morning at ten thirty. I

1091
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:40,479
want to see listed the sermon title Adam and the

1092
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,960
Evil Sperm. Please. Carrie says, it doesn't matter whether you

1093
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,920
like it or understand it. You are free to go

1094
01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:50,880
your own way. No one's forcing you to believe the gospel.

1095
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,640
Did I say somebody was forcing? What I want to

1096
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,039
know is this, What did Jesus do to make you

1097
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:01,199
hate him?

1098
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 5: Oh?

1099
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,159
Speaker 2: He taught loving your neighbor, being kind, forgiving each other,

1100
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:11,720
not hurting children, loving your wife, paying your debts and taxes,

1101
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:16,239
being a good Samaritan. That eternal life is free unless

1102
01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:18,319
you're reject it, and then he's going to burn you

1103
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:22,239
by the way, that the richer selfish pride is harmful.

1104
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:24,880
That we should be patient and share resources, that we

1105
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,439
will be given help when we call. That it doesn't

1106
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,920
matter if you're a slaver, free prostitute or an ex con.

1107
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:33,640
You can be born again and start a new life.

1108
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,840
He treated women with kindness and respect. Now I have

1109
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,039
to pinball back to the time that he compared the

1110
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:41,640
woman to the dog, and he promised that he had

1111
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,439
come to divide families, to turn a son against his

1112
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,880
father and the daughter against her mother, etc. Why do

1113
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,640
you hate him? He brought freedom for the captives. He

1114
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,640
did away with all those laws, Moses wrote, unless you

1115
01:11:55,720 --> 01:12:02,159
read Mathew Chapter five, Carrie, isn't that what you think

1116
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:05,000
he should do? If you think he should do more,

1117
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:09,760
have you ever thought of asking, Dear Jesus, Lord above

1118
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,960
in heaven, Father God, I asked that you give me more. Here,

1119
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,680
Please manifest yourself, appeer in front of me like one

1120
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,760
of those twenty five eyed, multi winged angels, and just

1121
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,279
tell me, Lord Jesus, tell me, tell me what you

1122
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:28,600
mean by all of this. Explain to me how you

1123
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,079
honored women and didn't really support slavery, or how you

1124
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:35,079
were forced to use the slave model that man had

1125
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:38,640
put into place because you weren't big enough to overcome it.

1126
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,520
Talk to me about the issue of blood and menstruation

1127
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,079
and the banishing of women for a week. Talk to

1128
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:48,760
me about how you feel about women. Lord Jesus, I

1129
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,199
now call upon you, on the behalf of Carrie, to

1130
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:54,640
reveal to me and to this audience what it is

1131
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,560
you exactly mean. For the Lord God is not the

1132
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:05,439
author of confusion. Thank you, Jesus, Thank you Jesus. She said,

1133
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,319
that's what I'm doing, and you're choosing instead to treat

1134
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:10,600
me like the enemy. That I call her the enemy,

1135
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:17,520
that I attack her personally. I simply stated a case,

1136
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,720
and she has decided that she is under attack. I

1137
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,439
assure you that if I were to be captured by

1138
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,199
the enemy and my husband killed, I'd rather be taken

1139
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:37,359
Oh no, she didn't, Oh no, she didn't. I assure

1140
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:42,359
you that if I were to be captured by the

1141
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,560
enemy and my husband killed, I'd rather be taken by

1142
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:54,520
someone either rules, rather than someone who doesn't that require

1143
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,880
me to be given rights. I don't know what she means.

1144
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,119
I'd rather be taken by someone either rules, maybe someone

1145
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,840
that rules, rather than someone who doesn't that requires me

1146
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,279
to be given rights. Why would you need someone else

1147
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:18,560
to give you your rights, especially a man you slave? I mean,

1148
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,479
how many societies have any rights to women? In a

1149
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,840
land with no police or courts or Constitution.

1150
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 4: What was it?

1151
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 2: Christopher Hitchin said, this is the wish to be a slave.

1152
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:35,279
If a man came in and he executed my husband

1153
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:39,319
and kidnapped me, I'd rather have that, because at least

1154
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,680
there were rules by which he had to abide as

1155
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:47,319
he enslaved and force himself through intercourse with me before

1156
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,760
releasing me into the wild to wander and try to

1157
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,920
pick up the pieces of the rest of my life.

1158
01:14:53,039 --> 01:15:04,479
Oh m G. Wow, you're making my case for me.

1159
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:10,960
Carry you made my case for me. John is dialing

1160
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,000
in seven point nine. John, Are you there?

1161
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:15,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm here.

1162
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:16,520
Speaker 2: It's on your mind, John.

1163
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,039
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1164
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 4: This is all my professional opinion. I'm magni by John.

1165
01:15:23,239 --> 01:15:28,279
Speaker 2: I see you later. John called a previous show, and

1166
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:30,039
I think John just likes to hear the sound of

1167
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:33,239
his own voice, and most of what John says starts

1168
01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:37,000
with this is just my personal opinion. John. I know

1169
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:40,119
you've got a biblical name, and you'd probably like me

1170
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,319
to give you an extra measure of respect for that.

1171
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,760
I don't know, but I'm not interested in giving you

1172
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,720
any more oxygen. You can try to call the line

1173
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,399
again at some point, and I wish you the best.

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Perhaps if you pray the Lord will miracle it for you. Okay, okay,

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I guess that's all I've got for this particular broadcast.

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I don't see anybody else dialing in, so have we

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exhausted everything? But I do appreciate you listening and watching

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and putting up with me and my rant Do you

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enjoy the rants? Are they tedious for you? Because I

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feel ranty today and I can't blame the zeke will.

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I am going to grab some lunch. I'm going to

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go out and see if I can spot pretty bird.

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And we are going to continue developing a scheme of

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some kind to try to retrieve him so that he

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might perhaps survive. We certainly can't rely on prayer. In

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the meantime, take care of yourself and I will see

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you very soon.

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