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<v Speaker 1>Billy cunning in the Great American that Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 1>Kamalis Harry's administration gave three hundred thousand Haitians temporary legal

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<v Speaker 1>status in June, they suspended it for a while, opening

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<v Speaker 1>up again about four months ago. About fifteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand were settled in Springfield, Ohio, Clark County without the

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<v Speaker 1>governor knowing about or approving it has simply occurred. Joining

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<v Speaker 1>me now somewhere in his car on the road again

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<v Speaker 1>is Governor Mike Dwine. And Governor Mike Dwine. Welcome again

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Governor. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>am I correct and stating that you and Ohio government

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<v Speaker 1>did not know the level of individuals coming to Clark County.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that normal when you have a parole program authorized

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<v Speaker 1>by the Feds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't notify here. Look, Philly, here's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>under this program. Someone comes in, they say, I'm from

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<v Speaker 2>one of the sixteen countries that's considered to be highly

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<v Speaker 2>gagerous treason. This program, uh that administration created this program

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<v Speaker 2>for and they're given basically given a card at that

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<v Speaker 2>point and they can go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is the way. Most people who come.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the border, whether they're legal when they get here

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<v Speaker 2>or whether they're illegal that you know, sell of them.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't do anything to place them.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Refugees is the only exception.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a small number of refugees that come in and

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<v Speaker 2>they will come into Ohio and you know, we will

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<v Speaker 2>know the number. Uh. And there was a there's a

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<v Speaker 2>full program put on by the federal government. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they hire nonprofits to get them sell. But

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<v Speaker 3>this this was not the case here. That's just a

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<v Speaker 3>small group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>But the vast majority of people who come in get

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<v Speaker 2>across that border, you know there they check in, they

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<v Speaker 2>give them a card, and you know, they don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>them where to go.

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<v Speaker 3>What's happened is you know there, this has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Built over a period of at least two maybe three years,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe longer than that. You know, Springfields of town of

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<v Speaker 2>about fifty city of about fifty eight thousand people. The

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<v Speaker 2>estimate is no one knows for sure. The estimate is

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<v Speaker 2>there's about fifteen thousand people who are there from Haiti.

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<v Speaker 2>They came to work. The truth is that they were

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<v Speaker 2>jobs that were not getting filled. These people came here.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to work. They've been working. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the employees as I employers as I have,

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<v Speaker 2>what they will tell you is I wish I had

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I still have slots open, and I wish

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<v Speaker 2>they had more people to put into those slots because

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<v Speaker 2>they get up in the morning and they go to work.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is not that we have people coming in,

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<v Speaker 2>and the problem is it's massive. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do the math what percentage that is, But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty big percentage. If we've got fifteen thousand people coming

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<v Speaker 2>in what was a city of fifty eight thousand, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just we never see such a influx

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<v Speaker 2>in such a short relatively short Governor, is there.

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<v Speaker 1>A crisis right now? You're in charge in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Is there a crisis in Springfield, Ohio as we

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<v Speaker 1>speak this Friday afternoon. Would you describe it as a crisis?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Look, I mean the National Presius got hold of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people have been talking about week.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this has been an ongoing crisis and it's an

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing uh thing where you know, as the governor, we

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<v Speaker 2>have worked with Mari rou We've worked for the county commissioners. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have people on the ground, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to keep people on the ground there. And

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<v Speaker 2>let me just define of what the what the what

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<v Speaker 2>the problems are UH.

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<v Speaker 3>What is a health problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Haiti is a country with very little healthcare normally.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last two years, they've seen doctors have fled,

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<v Speaker 2>hadiation doctors, anybody could get out that out Why because

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<v Speaker 2>the president was assassinated and the gangs are basically running there,

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody's trying to get out and doctors have left.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's very little h medical care there at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So you take those fifteen thousand people, uh, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>put them in a community like Springfield. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of catching up to do regard to medical care. And

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<v Speaker 2>some people say, well, why, you know, why should we

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<v Speaker 2>be doing that? Why should you know? Might do wine

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<v Speaker 2>be worried about that? Why should I what we worry about?

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<v Speaker 2>Because look, we take for granted that we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>epidemics of measles anymore, epidemics of looping calls, and lord

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<v Speaker 2>knows what else. And the reason is that we basically routinely,

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<v Speaker 2>just silently, it happens every day that moms or dads

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<v Speaker 2>are bringing their kids in and they're getting done the

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<v Speaker 2>baby shops and.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing doing these things.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's certainly conceivable that you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you introduce a large population that's not had that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of medical care, is it will have an impact, not

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<v Speaker 2>just on that, We're just gonna have an impact and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have really put an emphasis.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got extra nurses in there through run clinics, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I made a commitment three days ago over

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<v Speaker 2>the next two years, we hope you use federal dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. We're still working on that, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get it done, and that is have more

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<v Speaker 2>clinics because this is a potentially health.

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<v Speaker 3>Problem.

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<v Speaker 2>The second problem, Yeah, the second problem is driving.

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<v Speaker 3>We parlaw in Ohio and I don't like this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be asking the legislature can change this.

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<v Speaker 2>But our law in Ohio says that if you're eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>years of age or older, you do not have to

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<v Speaker 2>have any driver's training none.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure up, And that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's someone who's forty who walks in, someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen who walks in, doesn't matter whether Haiti or you

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<v Speaker 2>know where they're from and they've lived through all their life.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have to take driver's train that's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ascerbated by the facts. So so what you now

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<v Speaker 2>have is you have patients who are showing up their adults.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have to take any driver's training, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they take a test and I think they're passionate at

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<v Speaker 2>about seventeen percent rate.

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<v Speaker 3>But what happens, and the law allows them to do

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<v Speaker 3>this until we change the law, there's something we can do.

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<v Speaker 3>They can come back every day and so they.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally passing, but that does not mean they are any

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<v Speaker 2>better drivers. And you know, driving in Haiti is a

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<v Speaker 2>hazardous you know, fram I've been down there a number

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<v Speaker 2>of times, and you know, working with a friend of ours,

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<v Speaker 2>brother Tom Hagen's school down there, and it's a hazardous

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<v Speaker 2>proposition to be driving.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is another huge, huge problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're trying to, you know, introduce some drivers training

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<v Speaker 2>and people say, well, why can they get a licensed Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the law is. The law allows them to

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<v Speaker 2>get a driver's wife.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean ask you this question, Governor. You're a small

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<v Speaker 1>town guy in Green County. Imagine being a person living

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<v Speaker 1>your life in Springfield, Ohio and you look around. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't get medical care. The schools are inundated with students

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<v Speaker 1>that are not educationally up to snuff with your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The medical system is almost near collapse. You can't get

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<v Speaker 1>emergency room treatment. The rents are skyrocketing because Haitians with

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<v Speaker 1>government support are bidding up the rents. So your rents

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<v Speaker 1>are up, Your schools are in terrible condition, the health

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<v Speaker 1>system is in near collapse. The body shops are making

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<v Speaker 1>a fortune for people that can pay. The death of

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<v Speaker 1>that one kid is awful, but that is a terrible issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're living in a small town, Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it happened in Cedarville, Ohio, where you hail from, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you look around and most people

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<v Speaker 1>are on benefits, not working. From Haiti that are here.

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<v Speaker 1>The great majority are not working. And there's not suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand more jobs in Springfield, Ohio. There might be

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<v Speaker 1>a one or two thousand, but the great majority are

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<v Speaker 1>in public help. The rents are through the roof. Your

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<v Speaker 1>kids can't get educated. The system is called how do

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<v Speaker 1>you answer to those questions of residents of Clark County.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I feel for the residents.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why We've been involved in this, We've been working

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<v Speaker 2>on this, will continue to work on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, we are we are a compassionate country.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is when you have that many people

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<v Speaker 2>come in and figure it's time.

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<v Speaker 3>Look.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, well, you know, if you if you have some

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<v Speaker 2>data on the number of working.

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<v Speaker 3>I would look at it. But that's not you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not what we hear.

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<v Speaker 2>What we hear is that we have patients who are

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<v Speaker 2>working very, very hard, and you know, they may have children,

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<v Speaker 2>they may have families, and obviously those those are those

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<v Speaker 2>count in the fifteen thousand people, so that they came

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<v Speaker 2>there because there were jobs available. The good news from

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<v Speaker 2>Clark County with Springfield is that we have seen in

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<v Speaker 2>the last five ten years rather dramatic increase of companies

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<v Speaker 2>coming in employing people people to work and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that has been a good thing. The bad thing is

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<v Speaker 2>it's been you know, there have been significant vacancies that

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<v Speaker 2>have been available. So you know, the peopless came here.

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<v Speaker 2>We can only assume for really two reasons. Want is

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<v Speaker 2>to work and the other is, you know, for generations, whether.

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<v Speaker 3>It's your family or my family.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my family ended up coming from a potato

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<v Speaker 2>fam in Ireland in the eighteen forties ended up in

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<v Speaker 2>Yellow Springs, and we suspect that the reason they did

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<v Speaker 2>is because there are other Irish they are and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, other Germans go where Germans are historically, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that's that's the other reason that we have that

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<v Speaker 2>in in the Springful But look, as governor, there's things

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<v Speaker 2>I can control, there's things I can't control, and so

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<v Speaker 2>my job is to try to, you know, to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the challenges that we face in Springfield and to

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<v Speaker 2>help mayor Room, to help all the elected officials as

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<v Speaker 2>they work their way through this. With the understanding that I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fully understand people in Springfield being very, very

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I am very concerned about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I also understand that you have people who are Asians

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<v Speaker 2>who if you listen to the employers and there's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that players gonna lie about this, are telling us

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<v Speaker 2>they're working their hearts or workers. We got to get

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<v Speaker 2>we got to manage our way through this. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>something that we created, not something that people in Springfield created,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's it's governor, I have an obligation and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly taking it very seriously to do everything we.

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<v Speaker 3>Can to protect the people in Springfield.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've had something in the last two days, as

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<v Speaker 2>this thing has gone viral, it's become a national issue.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all right, but what's happened is we're now getting bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>Threats all the time. So we have moved in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to talk about what we're doing with security,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know we are reacting to that, taking it

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<v Speaker 2>very seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>And getting the help that the local.

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<v Speaker 2>The Springfield police and law enforcement needs in that community.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sad thing that we have very very sick people,

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<v Speaker 2>are very evil people who think that it's really funny

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up the phone and say that a bomb's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go off in a Springfield school. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, people have to we have to go

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<v Speaker 2>in and have great caution, you know, make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>that is that is not true. And the other thing,

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<v Speaker 2>we're putting more We're putting more highway patrol in and

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<v Speaker 1>To need other And the other thing is you may

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<v Speaker 1>not be aware of this, but there are numerous schools,

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<v Speaker 1>high schools in Cincinnati that cannot have high school football

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<v Speaker 1>games tonight because of all the shots being fired around

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<v Speaker 1>Tafft High School and North College Hill. That it is

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<v Speaker 1>not safe in Cincinnati to go to a high school

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<v Speaker 1>football game. I'm sure derrel lix uh and mentally deranged

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<v Speaker 1>individuals may want to cause more havoc. Think it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>to call in a bomb threat or to say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shoot up in school. What's happening all the time

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<v Speaker 1>in America? Which is said on the issue of Google

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<v Speaker 1>of geese and dogs and cats. Of course, we've I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the nine one one calls. You've probably heard them

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<v Speaker 1>too about about the geese being tracked down. But politically,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of focusing on the issues that you just discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media wants to talk about dogs and cats

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<v Speaker 1>being barbecued instead of the deeper divide. Can you put

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the idea that cats and dogs and

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<v Speaker 1>geese are being killed for their flesh.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's here's what we know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no we have no avidanche that angus eating a

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<v Speaker 2>dog or a cat in Springfield O file. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that just just just absolutely zero, zero zero evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do have is, you know, we went back,

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<v Speaker 2>We've checked all the things that Hire Department nactual resources.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, a goose is a wild animal.

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<v Speaker 2>These are Canadian geese. We're talking about there as somebody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are.

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<v Speaker 3>Geese that are out you know, in part and doing

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. There's two reports. One report was March. One report

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<v Speaker 2>was August that saw someone in Springfield carrying in one case,

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<v Speaker 2>they're putting two geese down into a bag. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>In another case, they're carrying what appeared to be dead

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<v Speaker 3>gets along. Those were the reports that came in.

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<v Speaker 2>One was anonymous. Therefore we couldn't run it down. Impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to run it down. Uh. The other one, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>High Department National Resources tried to run down, tried to

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<v Speaker 2>reach a person who left a name, but the phone

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<v Speaker 2>no one ever ever ever picked up the phone. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have no way of knowing, you know, if those

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<v Speaker 2>were true or not. They very well made be true,

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<v Speaker 2>like we just you know, we just don't know. But

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<v Speaker 2>those are the only two reports. And again these are these.

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<v Speaker 3>Are wild geese and you know, look you out of season,

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<v Speaker 3>and that would be it would be illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>And the High Departmentational Resources, you know, if they found

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<v Speaker 2>the person who was doing it would have prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and it's so fair to say that it's really

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<v Speaker 1>fair to the people of whether it's Ada, Lima, Cedarville,

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<v Speaker 1>or Springfield, to have this thrust upon them and the

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers are picking up all the expenses directly or indirectly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not fair to them that they're thrust into the

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<v Speaker 1>national limelight being called races and other names because of

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<v Speaker 1>the color of these immigrants. Would you agree with that statement, absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Look, this is what we have. Ultimately, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the big picture here. We ultimately have

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<v Speaker 2>to get control of the border. And this has not happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it is poorous and we see all

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<v Speaker 2>the problems on the border, and now we see you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're seeing those those challenges come.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly come come to Ohio. So we have to do

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<v Speaker 3>two things. It's easy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, I guess it's not about DC because they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been done yet. But we've got to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Control of the border. And once we get control of

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<v Speaker 3>the border, then we have to have.

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<v Speaker 2>A rational discussion about you know, who comes into this

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<v Speaker 2>country legally and who does not come into this and

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<v Speaker 2>that's but but we never can have that really that

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<v Speaker 2>debate for that discussion when we have a forest border

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone is so you know, very legitimately concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we're not stopping people at the border,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we never get to the real discussion that

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<v Speaker 2>we should be able to have for the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>And Governor, would you agree that there's one candidate running

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<v Speaker 1>for the presidency that wants to stop this program and

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<v Speaker 1>there's another candidate that wants to make it bigger. So

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<v Speaker 1>therefore Trump says enough is enough. Kamala Harris says, bring

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think I think Bill, the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>in the polls show GUS agree that Trump would be

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<v Speaker 2>stronger with the border. They agree that you would be

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<v Speaker 2>stronger when the economy. They agree he would be stronger

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<v Speaker 2>in regard to the inflation issue. So I mean those

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<v Speaker 2>are three big, big, big, big issue.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Governor, I know you're on their way somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully Clark Clark County is not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Williams County, Williams, Williams by Lucas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, it's it's further on. It's further on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the west west corner of the state. It Frand

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<v Speaker 2>and I are heading up there to help them celebrate their.

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<v Speaker 1>B We's see if you can find some Haitians in

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<v Speaker 1>Williams County. That's that's west to Lucas County. But Governor

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming on. And we're thrusting the problems that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't cause, but we have to solve. And Governor DeWine,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike you, thank you, God bless you. Let's continue. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, fran did pay off the cherry pie

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<v Speaker 1>she lost. There you heard it, your comments. Bill Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>with you every day. You're home of the Reds. News

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