Speaker 1: Billy cunning in the Great American that Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: Kamalis Harry's administration gave three hundred thousand Haitians temporary legal
Speaker 1: status in June, they suspended it for a while, opening
Speaker 1: up again about four months ago. About fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: thousand were settled in Springfield, Ohio, Clark County without the
Speaker 1: governor knowing about or approving it has simply occurred. Joining
Speaker 1: me now somewhere in his car on the road again
Speaker 1: is Governor Mike Dwine. And Governor Mike Dwine. Welcome again
Speaker 1: to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Governor. First of all,
Speaker 1: am I correct and stating that you and Ohio government
Speaker 1: did not know the level of individuals coming to Clark County.
Speaker 1: Is that normal when you have a parole program authorized
Speaker 1: by the Feds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't notify here. Look, Philly, here's what happens
Speaker 2: under this program. Someone comes in, they say, I'm from
Speaker 2: one of the sixteen countries that's considered to be highly
Speaker 2: gagerous treason. This program, uh that administration created this program
Speaker 2: for and they're given basically given a card at that
Speaker 2: point and they can go anywhere.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the way. Most people who come.
Speaker 2: Across the border, whether they're legal when they get here
Speaker 2: or whether they're illegal that you know, sell of them.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything to place them.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Refugees is the only exception.
Speaker 2: There's a small number of refugees that come in and
Speaker 2: they will come into Ohio and you know, we will
Speaker 2: know the number. Uh. And there was a there's a
Speaker 2: full program put on by the federal government. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, they hire nonprofits to get them sell. But
Speaker 3: this this was not the case here. That's just a
Speaker 3: small group of people.
Speaker 2: But the vast majority of people who come in get
Speaker 2: across that border, you know there they check in, they
Speaker 2: give them a card, and you know, they don't tell
Speaker 2: them where to go.
Speaker 3: What's happened is you know there, this has happened.
Speaker 2: Built over a period of at least two maybe three years,
Speaker 2: maybe longer than that. You know, Springfields of town of
Speaker 2: about fifty city of about fifty eight thousand people. The
Speaker 2: estimate is no one knows for sure. The estimate is
Speaker 2: there's about fifteen thousand people who are there from Haiti.
Speaker 2: They came to work. The truth is that they were
Speaker 2: jobs that were not getting filled. These people came here.
Speaker 2: They want to work. They've been working. And when you
Speaker 2: talk to the employees as I employers as I have,
Speaker 2: what they will tell you is I wish I had
Speaker 2: you know, I still have slots open, and I wish
Speaker 2: they had more people to put into those slots because
Speaker 2: they get up in the morning and they go to work.
Speaker 2: The problem is not that we have people coming in,
Speaker 2: and the problem is it's massive. And so you know,
Speaker 2: do the math what percentage that is, But it's a
Speaker 2: pretty big percentage. If we've got fifteen thousand people coming
Speaker 2: in what was a city of fifty eight thousand, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's just we never see such a influx
Speaker 2: in such a short relatively short Governor, is there.
Speaker 1: A crisis right now? You're in charge in the state
Speaker 1: of Is there a crisis in Springfield, Ohio as we
Speaker 1: speak this Friday afternoon. Would you describe it as a crisis?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I mean the National Presius got hold of it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, people have been talking about week.
Speaker 2: Look, this has been an ongoing crisis and it's an
Speaker 2: ongoing uh thing where you know, as the governor, we
Speaker 2: have worked with Mari rou We've worked for the county commissioners. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we have people on the ground, uh, and
Speaker 2: we're going to keep people on the ground there. And
Speaker 2: let me just define of what the what the what
Speaker 2: the problems are UH.
Speaker 3: What is a health problem?
Speaker 2: Uh? Haiti is a country with very little healthcare normally.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: In the last two years, they've seen doctors have fled,
Speaker 2: hadiation doctors, anybody could get out that out Why because
Speaker 2: the president was assassinated and the gangs are basically running there,
Speaker 2: so everybody's trying to get out and doctors have left.
Speaker 3: So there's very little h medical care there at all.
Speaker 2: So you take those fifteen thousand people, uh, and you know,
Speaker 2: put them in a community like Springfield. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of catching up to do regard to medical care. And
Speaker 2: some people say, well, why, you know, why should we
Speaker 2: be doing that? Why should you know? Might do wine
Speaker 2: be worried about that? Why should I what we worry about?
Speaker 2: Because look, we take for granted that we don't have
Speaker 2: epidemics of measles anymore, epidemics of looping calls, and lord
Speaker 2: knows what else. And the reason is that we basically routinely,
Speaker 2: just silently, it happens every day that moms or dads
Speaker 2: are bringing their kids in and they're getting done the
Speaker 2: baby shops and.
Speaker 3: They're doing doing these things.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's certainly conceivable that you know, if
Speaker 2: you introduce a large population that's not had that kind
Speaker 2: of medical care, is it will have an impact, not
Speaker 2: just on that, We're just gonna have an impact and
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 3: So we have really put an emphasis.
Speaker 2: We've got extra nurses in there through run clinics, and
Speaker 2: you know, I made a commitment three days ago over
Speaker 2: the next two years, we hope you use federal dollars
Speaker 2: to do it. We're still working on that, but we've
Speaker 2: got to get it done, and that is have more
Speaker 2: clinics because this is a potentially health.
Speaker 3: Problem.
Speaker 2: The second problem, Yeah, the second problem is driving.
Speaker 3: We parlaw in Ohio and I don't like this, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to be asking the legislature can change this.
Speaker 2: But our law in Ohio says that if you're eighteen
Speaker 2: years of age or older, you do not have to
Speaker 2: have any driver's training none.
Speaker 3: Sure up, And that's true.
Speaker 2: Whether it's someone who's forty who walks in, someone who's
Speaker 2: eighteen who walks in, doesn't matter whether Haiti or you
Speaker 2: know where they're from and they've lived through all their life.
Speaker 2: They don't have to take driver's train that's a problem.
Speaker 2: It's ascerbated by the facts. So so what you now
Speaker 2: have is you have patients who are showing up their adults.
Speaker 2: They don't have to take any driver's training, and so
Speaker 2: they take a test and I think they're passionate at
Speaker 2: about seventeen percent rate.
Speaker 3: But what happens, and the law allows them to do
Speaker 3: this until we change the law, there's something we can do.
Speaker 3: They can come back every day and so they.
Speaker 2: Finally passing, but that does not mean they are any
Speaker 2: better drivers. And you know, driving in Haiti is a
Speaker 2: hazardous you know, fram I've been down there a number
Speaker 2: of times, and you know, working with a friend of ours,
Speaker 2: brother Tom Hagen's school down there, and it's a hazardous
Speaker 2: proposition to be driving.
Speaker 3: So that is another huge, huge problem.
Speaker 2: And we're trying to, you know, introduce some drivers training
Speaker 2: and people say, well, why can they get a licensed Well,
Speaker 2: that's what the law is. The law allows them to
Speaker 2: get a driver's wife.
Speaker 1: I mean ask you this question, Governor. You're a small
Speaker 1: town guy in Green County. Imagine being a person living
Speaker 1: your life in Springfield, Ohio and you look around. You
Speaker 1: can't get medical care. The schools are inundated with students
Speaker 1: that are not educationally up to snuff with your kids.
Speaker 1: The medical system is almost near collapse. You can't get
Speaker 1: emergency room treatment. The rents are skyrocketing because Haitians with
Speaker 1: government support are bidding up the rents. So your rents
Speaker 1: are up, Your schools are in terrible condition, the health
Speaker 1: system is in near collapse. The body shops are making
Speaker 1: a fortune for people that can pay. The death of
Speaker 1: that one kid is awful, but that is a terrible issue.
Speaker 1: So if you're living in a small town, Let's say
Speaker 1: it happened in Cedarville, Ohio, where you hail from, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you look around and most people
Speaker 1: are on benefits, not working. From Haiti that are here.
Speaker 1: The great majority are not working. And there's not suddenly
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand more jobs in Springfield, Ohio. There might be
Speaker 1: a one or two thousand, but the great majority are
Speaker 1: in public help. The rents are through the roof. Your
Speaker 1: kids can't get educated. The system is called how do
Speaker 1: you answer to those questions of residents of Clark County.
Speaker 3: Look, I feel for the residents.
Speaker 2: That's why We've been involved in this, We've been working
Speaker 2: on this, will continue to work on this.
Speaker 3: Look, you know, we are we are a compassionate country.
Speaker 2: But the problem is when you have that many people
Speaker 2: come in and figure it's time.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: Look, well, you know, if you if you have some
Speaker 2: data on the number of working.
Speaker 3: I would look at it. But that's not you know,
Speaker 3: that is not what we hear.
Speaker 2: What we hear is that we have patients who are
Speaker 2: working very, very hard, and you know, they may have children,
Speaker 2: they may have families, and obviously those those are those
Speaker 2: count in the fifteen thousand people, so that they came
Speaker 2: there because there were jobs available. The good news from
Speaker 2: Clark County with Springfield is that we have seen in
Speaker 2: the last five ten years rather dramatic increase of companies
Speaker 2: coming in employing people people to work and so you know,
Speaker 2: that has been a good thing. The bad thing is
Speaker 2: it's been you know, there have been significant vacancies that
Speaker 2: have been available. So you know, the peopless came here.
Speaker 2: We can only assume for really two reasons. Want is
Speaker 2: to work and the other is, you know, for generations, whether.
Speaker 3: It's your family or my family.
Speaker 2: You know, my family ended up coming from a potato
Speaker 2: fam in Ireland in the eighteen forties ended up in
Speaker 2: Yellow Springs, and we suspect that the reason they did
Speaker 2: is because there are other Irish they are and so
Speaker 2: you know, other Germans go where Germans are historically, and
Speaker 2: so that's that's the other reason that we have that
Speaker 2: in in the Springful But look, as governor, there's things
Speaker 2: I can control, there's things I can't control, and so
Speaker 2: my job is to try to, you know, to deal
Speaker 2: with the challenges that we face in Springfield and to
Speaker 2: help mayor Room, to help all the elected officials as
Speaker 2: they work their way through this. With the understanding that I,
Speaker 2: you know, fully understand people in Springfield being very, very
Speaker 2: concerned about this.
Speaker 3: I am very concerned about it.
Speaker 2: I also understand that you have people who are Asians
Speaker 2: who if you listen to the employers and there's the
Speaker 2: reason that players gonna lie about this, are telling us
Speaker 2: they're working their hearts or workers. We got to get
Speaker 2: we got to manage our way through this. It's not
Speaker 2: something that we created, not something that people in Springfield created,
Speaker 2: but it's it's it's governor, I have an obligation and
Speaker 2: I'm certainly taking it very seriously to do everything we.
Speaker 3: Can to protect the people in Springfield.
Speaker 2: Now we've had something in the last two days, as
Speaker 2: this thing has gone viral, it's become a national issue.
Speaker 2: That's all right, but what's happened is we're now getting bomb.
Speaker 3: Threats all the time. So we have moved in.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about what we're doing with security,
Speaker 2: but you know we are reacting to that, taking it
Speaker 2: very seriously.
Speaker 3: And getting the help that the local.
Speaker 2: The Springfield police and law enforcement needs in that community.
Speaker 2: It's a sad thing that we have very very sick people,
Speaker 2: are very evil people who think that it's really funny
Speaker 2: to pick up the phone and say that a bomb's
Speaker 2: going to go off in a Springfield school. Uh. And
Speaker 2: then you know, people have to we have to go
Speaker 2: in and have great caution, you know, make sure that
Speaker 2: that is that is not true. And the other thing,
Speaker 2: we're putting more We're putting more highway patrol in and
Speaker 2: we're going to continue.
Speaker 1: To need other And the other thing is you may
Speaker 1: not be aware of this, but there are numerous schools,
Speaker 1: high schools in Cincinnati that cannot have high school football
Speaker 1: games tonight because of all the shots being fired around
Speaker 1: Tafft High School and North College Hill. That it is
Speaker 1: not safe in Cincinnati to go to a high school
Speaker 1: football game. I'm sure derrel lix uh and mentally deranged
Speaker 1: individuals may want to cause more havoc. Think it's funny
Speaker 1: to call in a bomb threat or to say I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shoot up in school. What's happening all the time
Speaker 1: in America? Which is said on the issue of Google
Speaker 1: of geese and dogs and cats. Of course, we've I've
Speaker 1: seen the nine one one calls. You've probably heard them
Speaker 1: too about about the geese being tracked down. But politically,
Speaker 1: instead of focusing on the issues that you just discussed,
Speaker 1: the mainstream media wants to talk about dogs and cats
Speaker 1: being barbecued instead of the deeper divide. Can you put
Speaker 1: the rest of the idea that cats and dogs and
Speaker 1: geese are being killed for their flesh.
Speaker 3: Here's here's what we know.
Speaker 2: There's no we have no avidanche that angus eating a
Speaker 2: dog or a cat in Springfield O file. I mean
Speaker 2: that just just just absolutely zero, zero zero evidence of that.
Speaker 2: What we do have is, you know, we went back,
Speaker 2: We've checked all the things that Hire Department nactual resources.
Speaker 3: Of course, a goose is a wild animal.
Speaker 2: These are Canadian geese. We're talking about there as somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these are.
Speaker 3: Geese that are out you know, in part and doing
Speaker 3: what these do with parts.
Speaker 2: Uh. There's two reports. One report was March. One report
Speaker 2: was August that saw someone in Springfield carrying in one case,
Speaker 2: they're putting two geese down into a bag. Uh.
Speaker 3: In another case, they're carrying what appeared to be dead
Speaker 3: gets along. Those were the reports that came in.
Speaker 2: One was anonymous. Therefore we couldn't run it down. Impossible
Speaker 2: to run it down. Uh. The other one, uh, the
Speaker 2: High Department National Resources tried to run down, tried to
Speaker 2: reach a person who left a name, but the phone
Speaker 2: no one ever ever ever picked up the phone. So
Speaker 2: we have no way of knowing, you know, if those
Speaker 2: were true or not. They very well made be true,
Speaker 2: like we just you know, we just don't know. But
Speaker 2: those are the only two reports. And again these are these.
Speaker 3: Are wild geese and you know, look you out of season,
Speaker 3: and that would be it would be illegal.
Speaker 2: And the High Departmentational Resources, you know, if they found
Speaker 2: the person who was doing it would have prosecuted.
Speaker 1: Now and it's so fair to say that it's really
Speaker 1: fair to the people of whether it's Ada, Lima, Cedarville,
Speaker 1: or Springfield, to have this thrust upon them and the
Speaker 1: taxpayers are picking up all the expenses directly or indirectly.
Speaker 1: It's not fair to them that they're thrust into the
Speaker 1: national limelight being called races and other names because of
Speaker 1: the color of these immigrants. Would you agree with that statement, absolutely?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, this is what we have. Ultimately, you have
Speaker 2: to look at the big picture here. We ultimately have
Speaker 2: to get control of the border. And this has not happened,
Speaker 2: and you know, it is poorous and we see all
Speaker 2: the problems on the border, and now we see you know,
Speaker 2: you're seeing those those challenges come.
Speaker 3: Certainly come come to Ohio. So we have to do
Speaker 3: two things. It's easy to.
Speaker 2: Say, I guess it's not about DC because they haven't
Speaker 2: been done yet. But we've got to get.
Speaker 3: Control of the border. And once we get control of
Speaker 3: the border, then we have to have.
Speaker 2: A rational discussion about you know, who comes into this
Speaker 2: country legally and who does not come into this and
Speaker 2: that's but but we never can have that really that
Speaker 2: debate for that discussion when we have a forest border
Speaker 2: and everyone is so you know, very legitimately concerned about
Speaker 2: the fact that we're not stopping people at the border,
Speaker 2: and so we never get to the real discussion that
Speaker 2: we should be able to have for the benefit of
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 1: And Governor, would you agree that there's one candidate running
Speaker 1: for the presidency that wants to stop this program and
Speaker 1: there's another candidate that wants to make it bigger. So
Speaker 1: therefore Trump says enough is enough. Kamala Harris says, bring
Speaker 1: it on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, I think I think Bill, the majority of people
Speaker 2: in the polls show GUS agree that Trump would be
Speaker 2: stronger with the border. They agree that you would be
Speaker 2: stronger when the economy. They agree he would be stronger
Speaker 2: in regard to the inflation issue. So I mean those
Speaker 2: are three big, big, big, big issue.
Speaker 1: All right, Governor, I know you're on their way somewhere,
Speaker 1: hopefully Clark Clark County is not fair.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Williams County, Williams, Williams by Lucas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's it's further on. It's further on.
Speaker 2: It's the west west corner of the state. It Frand
Speaker 2: and I are heading up there to help them celebrate their.
Speaker 1: B We's see if you can find some Haitians in
Speaker 1: Williams County. That's that's west to Lucas County. But Governor
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. And we're thrusting the problems that
Speaker 1: we didn't cause, but we have to solve. And Governor DeWine,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Mike you, thank you, God bless you. Let's continue. And
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