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<v Speaker 1>I've been writing about and investigating UFOs for well over

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and most of that time I've been employed

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<v Speaker 1>full time to do that work. I've written dozens of articles,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on many UFO programs, and I'm often interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>by news outlets. Claims from credible witnesses of incredible things

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<v Speaker 1>have inspired me to keep an open mind to the

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary possibilities when it comes to the nature of UFOs,

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<v Speaker 1>often referred to as UAP when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>scientific investigation. The goal of this podcast is to provide

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<v Speaker 1>critible news and information to ground this cosmic conversation. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Open minds UAP News. Hello, and welcome to Open

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<v Speaker 1>Mind UFO Radio where Open minds UAP Radio. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me

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<v Speaker 1>Jason McClellan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Jason, Hey, Alejandro, Good to see you, buddy, Just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the old days. For those of you who are

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<v Speaker 1>new to the show, like some of the people who've

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<v Speaker 1>joined because of Denn of Geek, Jason and I started

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<v Speaker 1>Open minds UFO News, I think we called it at

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<v Speaker 1>the time in what was it, twenty eleven, probably twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>probably twenty ten yeah, yeah, so quite some time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was the weekly podcast. In fact, some

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<v Speaker 1>of you subscribers, because it's the same podcast feed that

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<v Speaker 1>we use today, you know, probably hurt those shows way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. Although things were a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>fun back then.

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs in general were a lot more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, back when, you know, there was just when

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't so popular in a mainstream thing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, you know, we're flying under the radar.

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<v Speaker 1>We're kind of this niche group where people are just

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<v Speaker 1>exploring and talking and thinking about things and not as

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<v Speaker 1>intense about everything as ar these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And the research community was was a hell of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. It was very cordial, very everybody was

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<v Speaker 2>excited to chip in and contribute and work together and

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<v Speaker 2>hear different ideas and bounce ideas off of each other,

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<v Speaker 2>not just you know, fish for the answer they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to hear or you know, push a certain agenda. People

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<v Speaker 2>were very curious about finding the truth and working together

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<v Speaker 2>to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, you and I and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>people realize this. For ten years or so or longer,

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<v Speaker 1>we were writing articles every day, like an article every day,

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<v Speaker 1>a news posting news articles, every day. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>were following all of this very closely, including the development

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<v Speaker 1>up into you know, the twenty seventeen kind of period, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that's that's even wild for us to think back

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<v Speaker 2>on and realize even to this day, we're probably a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of the you know, a handful of people whoever

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<v Speaker 2>have been paid full time to research and write about

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to explain that to people and what a

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<v Speaker 1>big gil it is is just because we live and

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<v Speaker 1>breathe it. I mean it's everything. Yeah, paid full time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how many people can say that. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of really practically anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Else, right, Yeah, our buddy Lee Spiegel was was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the others in that elite group. I guess if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call el.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and and this just came to mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, I try to do kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>we did back in the day, you know, fullest growth, disclosure,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's on the table. In fact, I just wrote an

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<v Speaker 1>article that I posted on open Minds today, which is

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<v Speaker 1>only the second article I've done in the last five

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<v Speaker 1>six years on Open Minds, but where I reveal them

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<v Speaker 1>kind of behind the scenes with big a low and movefront.

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<v Speaker 1>But the end of Open Minds. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Tom DeLonge had anything to do with the demise of

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<v Speaker 1>Open Minds, but at the end of Open Minds we

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<v Speaker 1>were working very closely, and in fact, you and Marine

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<v Speaker 1>are colleague with open Minds. We're writing for him for

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<v Speaker 1>a short period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, to the end of end of Open Minds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to to the Stars was just coming on the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>and and we were actually hired by Tom to to

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<v Speaker 2>write for for to the Stars. So yeah, it all

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of ties ties together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so funny how we were just all immersed

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<v Speaker 1>in that. But the reason that I bring that up

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<v Speaker 1>also is because you know, since then, you've been doing,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I understand, a lot of uh PR type

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<v Speaker 1>of or more communications and online kind of social media stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely so, I've I've uh yeah, haven't haven't ever

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<v Speaker 2>been able to step away from the UFO field. I've

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<v Speaker 2>definitely been very active in UFOs and I still follow

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<v Speaker 2>it every day and I always have. UFOs is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things that I don't want to say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a like an infection, but you can't get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of it, you know. No matter how how bad you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get out of UFOs, sometimes you just can't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we've invested so much time in this

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<v Speaker 2>topic and we love it, we really do. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think you and I care about genuine research and actively

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<v Speaker 2>looking for answers to this incredibly exciting mystery. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what keeps pulling me in. And you know, I have

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<v Speaker 2>done in my professional career lots of communications and marketing

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<v Speaker 2>roles for both the public and private sector. I'm currently

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<v Speaker 2>with NASA, but you know, I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these roles, but I have maintained my active following of

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<v Speaker 2>UFO news. I've done a podcast. I put that on

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<v Speaker 2>hiatus right now just because I don't have time with

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<v Speaker 2>all my NASA duties. But you know something I do

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<v Speaker 2>keep up is a weekly UFO newsletter, because again we're

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<v Speaker 2>news geeks, and I love to follow it and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let people know because we hear that tired refrain that, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media doesn't report UFOs. That's not true, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's never been true. They've always mainstream media outlets around

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<v Speaker 2>the world report on UFOs every single day. So I

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<v Speaker 2>like to highlight that. And so that's what I do

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<v Speaker 2>with my weekly UFO newsletter totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get into some of the news from the

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<v Speaker 1>last week that mainstream news has been covering really soon here.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the reasons I wanted to go over

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<v Speaker 1>all of this and cover this, and why I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to be talking to you, let alone that we

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<v Speaker 1>had so much fun doing this in the past, is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, at the time that we started doing

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<v Speaker 1>Open Minds and it was kind of you know, Antonio

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<v Speaker 1>Juneez was writing with us, and we all felt like

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<v Speaker 1>we had to cover this in a legit news skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>kind of perspective, just putting the facts out there, not

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<v Speaker 1>making assumptions what I think is the right way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and that wasn't being done before. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that once we stop doing it, besides some of

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream press that has picked it up here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not being done anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you one hundred percent. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we can talk about this more later, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you and I have talked about it before, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of indoctrination that happens when you

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<v Speaker 2>get into the UFO topic and you start researching, reading

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<v Speaker 2>the literature, hearing what some of the leading voices have

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<v Speaker 2>to say. And one of the things that gets pushed

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<v Speaker 2>very early on in your UFO research is that skeptic

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<v Speaker 2>or skepticism is a bad word. And to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can responsibly cover the UFO topic

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<v Speaker 2>or communicate about the UFO topic if you don't do

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<v Speaker 2>it with responsible skepticism that is required. That's what makes

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<v Speaker 2>it journalistic, that's what makes it unbiased. That's what is

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<v Speaker 2>required for a genuine pursuit of truth wherever that leads.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm smiling because I'm really excited to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the news because we're gonna rip some people apart,

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<v Speaker 1>i know, for for not adhering to this, but also

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just for the case sake of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wooing what they're doing, but to also demonstrate the problems

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<v Speaker 1>when you don't do it correctly. And so we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. I'm really excited to get into the news here.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start taking a look. And just so people know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason doesn't know what I'm about to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, this is this is fun. This is like

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<v Speaker 2>a news roulette, exactly cool, like Vamp music.

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<v Speaker 1>All right here we go. Let's begin with the National Archives.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was kind of cool. About a week ago

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<v Speaker 1>last Thursday, the National Archives put out this press release

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<v Speaker 1>and it made a bunch of news that they had

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<v Speaker 1>to put a bunch of new stuff in the archives

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<v Speaker 1>guarding UAP or UFOs, and I guess I'll just continue

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<v Speaker 1>to use both terms. What term do you mostly use

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<v Speaker 2>I am tam UFO all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you are cool, okay, so we can stick to

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<v Speaker 1>that mostly. I go back and forth depending on the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>But sure, U I p r UFOs, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it, deal with it, National Archives. But as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, there's nothing new in these most

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<v Speaker 1>of the all of these files were essentially released prior,

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<v Speaker 1>but just here and there, and now at least they're

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<v Speaker 1>all in one place, which is nice. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any more information than that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's my understanding as well. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>see this a lot, you know, when different groups have

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<v Speaker 2>decided to release UFO records or files. There are things

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<v Speaker 2>that have been in the public before, but it's more

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<v Speaker 2>of a reorganization effort or just a kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>moving into different different folder sort of scenarios and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we have. You know, this was congressionally mandated, so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these files that have been out before

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<v Speaker 2>are being moved to a central location. And hey, that's

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<v Speaker 2>always a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, right And one of the some of the pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of articles are using this picture here

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<v Speaker 1>or similar ones. They were from a guy named Paul Villa.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually this article is from twenty sixteen and I

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<v Speaker 1>article in the Daily Express. I think it was the

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<v Speaker 1>best one that goes over the history of these pictures

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<v Speaker 1>but also demonstrating that there was research done and they

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<v Speaker 1>were proven to be hoaxes. So a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, were getting excited by these incredible pictures that

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<v Speaker 1>were in these articles when I posted this, as you know, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people didn't read the headline, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were debating, oh, those are hoaxes. I know they are

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<v Speaker 1>what the article says, that's what they're adise. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great article on that. But it's funny how that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people have short attention spans and people don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to read more than they have to. So that's always

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<v Speaker 2>been the case. I mean, it's certainly gotten much worse

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<v Speaker 2>than when you and I were doing this it Open Minds,

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<v Speaker 2>we ran into that a lot. But yeah, people don't

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<v Speaker 2>read beyond the headline.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually have something exciting to announce, and this picture

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of that, which is you wrote what I

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<v Speaker 1>think these pictures really remind me of the Billy Meyer picture. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that you've written one of the best,

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<v Speaker 1>most well researched and unbiased, kind of comprehensive articles on

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<v Speaker 1>the Billy Meyer photos that is in the magazine. And

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<v Speaker 1>I recently found all the magazine files and sent those

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<v Speaker 1>to all of the Open Minds magazines, and I've decided

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's exciting. Yeah, there are some fantastic content in

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. But that was a great article. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you did a really good job, really and what was

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<v Speaker 1>since we're talking about it, is you know, we would

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<v Speaker 1>always try to write, you know, unbiased articles to put

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the debate. But it's really funny because that

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<v Speaker 1>other articles we wrote where you just get heat from

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<v Speaker 1>they're real, and the other side is saying, oh, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're debunking them. When really it's kind of good

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that comes with journalism. I mean that's to

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<v Speaker 2>be expected. But also, Alejandro, that's UFOs And yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>are really hard. They are people want simple answers. UFOs

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<v Speaker 2>don't have simple answers many times, and yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to be emphasized. UFOs are hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're exactly correct, And you know you're working with

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<v Speaker 1>NASA the last show. You know, NASA was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with their findings and their suggestions. They were

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<v Speaker 1>And really it's that difficulty and the heat they got

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<v Speaker 1>for just getting involved with the topic that scientists are

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Because you can't win. That's the thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, love him or hate m Sean Kirkpatrick. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly it was very visible with a lot of this,

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't really matter who you are, how much

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<v Speaker 2>the level or quality of contribution you can make. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter because you're going to never hear the end

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<v Speaker 2>You just you can't please everybody. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>and again that contributes to what makes UFO so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why so many people flee this field. And you

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep good researchers continuing this work because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>thankless work. And again, you can't make everybody happy, and

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<v Speaker 2>that shouldn't be the focus of UFO research. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to please somebody. You're trying to find the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and no matter you know what side you come out on,

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<v Speaker 1>Another organization that I really love, uh and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>proud of because they stick to their guns and to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, they stick to the facts regardless of how

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<v Speaker 1>the public is going to take them has been PBS,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I got to be part of the

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<v Speaker 1>PBS Nova Special, but they relaxed. Oh okay, an article

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<v Speaker 1>just recently, and I know for a fact that that

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<v Speaker 1>Nova special, because it was science specific, got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of heat because producers had called me and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is this normal? People are so upset. I'm like that, Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>it is normal. But I'm really proud of them because

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<v Speaker 1>they're brave enough to still back it up and release

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<v Speaker 1>this big video which talks about how they debunked videos

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<v Speaker 1>and talks about some of those Navy videos that have

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's cool. I love I love seeing this. I

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<v Speaker 2>love when mainstream outlets go out on the limb and

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<v Speaker 2>it's sad that it should be or that it is

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<v Speaker 2>a limb, but it is because of how awful people are,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, but I do appreciate this. More of

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<v Speaker 2>this needs to happen. And again coming back to the

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<v Speaker 2>word debunk, I know it sounds terrible, and don't get

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong impression. Alejandro and I are not anti ufo.

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<v Speaker 2>We are very very much pro UFO in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that we both believe that UFOs exist. I've seen countless

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs myself that I haven't been able to explain. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're not pooh pooing UFOs here. What we are poo pooing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot is how a lot of UFO

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<v Speaker 2>research is done. It's incredibly flawed. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>suppositions and a lot of the talking points that people

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<v Speaker 2>rely on are incredibly flawed because humans are incredibly flawed.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think things like this need to be constantly

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<v Speaker 2>put into or in front of people, because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of education that needs to happen when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to UFOs, because again, most UFOs are mundane objects. They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be something that is just outside of somebody's experience

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, is later identified. That is almost all

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<v Speaker 2>of UFOs. That's not saying that there aren't potentially extraterrestrial

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs or something that you know that's it's exotic or

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<v Speaker 2>should be looked at, because that is certainly the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Those things are there, but most are mundane objects. So

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<v Speaker 2>we can't just brush that fact aside and pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist and hype up every single possible UFO is

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<v Speaker 2>something anomalous because that just muddies the water and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't get anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, great points, and you know this is where

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<v Speaker 1>that gets fun. So it's great to debunk. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>to analyze most of what UFO research is exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what that's most of what science is. You debunk

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<v Speaker 1>your own work. And I really respect the stance of

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<v Speaker 1>the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies on a case of

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<v Speaker 1>theirs that Arrow debunk. So the Aguadilla video Aguada, Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't have a picture of it here,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was you might have seen the video. They

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<v Speaker 1>did cover it in the PBS special. What was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>is in the PBS special Sean Kirkpatrick said he thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was birds, but just prior to that airing of

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<v Speaker 1>that show, Arrow had released their analysis and they said

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<v Speaker 1>it was balloons. My argument is it can't be both,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you look at the video, it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>look like either. And so the SEU, who's the group

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<v Speaker 1>who did kind of the original analysis of that video,

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<v Speaker 1>they came out with a response just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago, just yesterday, where they said, great, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for looking at it, but we have some questions. You

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<v Speaker 1>said you saw this, and you said you used this

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<v Speaker 1>data point or that data point, but you're not showing

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<v Speaker 1>your work. You're not saying how you came to those

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<v Speaker 1>conclusions in your paper. Could you please do that so

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at this further because they have some

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<v Speaker 1>good points. I mean, if they're saying, like they say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it clearly moved behind a an electrical tower

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<v Speaker 1>and so it had to be close to the ground. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's true, then we can figure out distance. And

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<v Speaker 1>if there's distance and it's moving, maybe that doesn't fit

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<v Speaker 1>your theory. So yeah, this is the way it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a back and forth process where all parties work together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love that science science.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted to announce that that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>SEUs asked that question. This is a way that it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Great job with them. But next, so this is some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting news coming from Canada. And it's funny because all

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<v Speaker 1>this news gets lost in all the craziness. I told

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners, I'm I'm not going to be covering a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the hearsay and the tabloid stories, even though

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<v Speaker 1>there's a big hearsay tabloid story we'll be getting into.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such big news that I think we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a touch on it. So and we'll probably more than

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<v Speaker 1>touch on it, but I think, you know, for both

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<v Speaker 1>of us, there'll be a lot of examples on how

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<v Speaker 1>it's not should not be done. But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>big pieces of news is Canada. So Canada was inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by the US government looking into UFOs. So they have

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<v Speaker 1>created this project called the Sky Canada Project where they're

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<v Speaker 1>reviewing their own records. They say, you know, we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred to one thousand UFO siding reports, and they

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<v Speaker 1>just announced that they will have that report ready in July.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, here's one of their statements where it's

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<v Speaker 1>not meant to prove or deny the existence of extraterrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>life for extraterrestrial visitors, just much like the United States reports.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though they led with you know, we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough data to prove either way. I'm sure that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadians are saying, because we don't, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>it'll give more insight and give us a better idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what data they have collected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, this is a good reminder to people

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<v Speaker 2>that UFOs aren't just limited to the United States. Countries

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<v Speaker 2>all around the world having do investigate UFOs. Governments we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking and having do release official government files on UFOs,

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<v Speaker 2>and Canada's got a wealth of UFO information and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've released reports before, so it's great to see this

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<v Speaker 1>You know, And I do want to take a second

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<v Speaker 1>seen in America, it's really frustrating because you see some

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<v Speaker 1>of the larger outlets saying that, whereas UFO researchers aren't

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<v Speaker 1>saying that. Nobody's saying that, you're just pulling the US

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<v Speaker 1>out in nowhere. What are your thoughts on why they

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<v Speaker 1>say that and what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, that that's always been a bizarre assumption

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<v Speaker 2>to me, A very you know, American centric thought were

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<v Speaker 2>for people here in our home country, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe other other countries have similar thoughts. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>think that you know, your your viewpoint is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the center of your reality, and you know things go

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<v Speaker 2>from there. But I will say I have to fault

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<v Speaker 2>a little some of the the you know, leading talking

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<v Speaker 2>heads on this subject in the media, because even people

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<v Speaker 2>like louel A Zondo, you know, in many, many interviews

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<v Speaker 2>and talking points, kind of insinuated that, oh, we just

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<v Speaker 2>realized that this isn't just a UF or a US phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're we're now just starting to talk to other

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<v Speaker 2>like they're just bridging the gap. They're just starting these conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>We're starting to realize that, oh, this is more than

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<v Speaker 2>just a US issue, you know, when that is not

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<v Speaker 2>the case, and that has never been the.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, right. I mean, we've been covering throughout Open Minds.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find articles, especially with the French, covering it

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<v Speaker 1>Kane WoT that original New York Times story in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>has been covering a lot of the chilly news. I

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole art. I do a lecture on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course Antonio June has had worked with a

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like you said, it's never been purely American.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing too, It also there's a learning

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<v Speaker 2>curve you go through when you dive into the topic

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<v Speaker 2>of UFOs. Right, if this isn't something you've actively been researching,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not something you're familiar with, it's not something you've

419
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<v Speaker 2>spent years of your life doing. When you get into

420
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<v Speaker 2>the topic, all of this is new and you start

421
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<v Speaker 2>discovering every little aspect of UFOs as something new. So

422
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>if you're a young journalist or a young hobbyist getting

423
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<v Speaker 2>into this, and you've got a blog or some social

424
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<v Speaker 2>media presence and you all of a sudden discover there

425
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 2>was something called the Cometa Report or you know some

426
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 2>of these other things, you're all, wow, the US isn't

427
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<v Speaker 2>the only place that has UFOs. It's all new, and

428
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>you report it out is new and it's like this

429
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<v Speaker 2>big discovery when that's been the case all along. So right,

430
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<v Speaker 2>it happens a lot with this topic. And again with

431
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<v Speaker 2>any topic, you're not going to instantly know everything about UFOs,

432
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<v Speaker 2>and I think that spawns a lot of, you know,

433
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<v Speaker 2>the the UFO conspiracies that come out because people discover

434
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<v Speaker 2>things they're not familiar with. It's outside their life experience,

435
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<v Speaker 2>and therefore it's new, it's secret, it must be a

436
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<v Speaker 2>cover up, and it kind of takes on a life

437
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<v Speaker 2>of its own from.

438
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<v Speaker 1>There, right, And you mentioned the COMTA Report for anybody

439
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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't know. That was a report written by some

440
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<v Speaker 1>French engineers and very credible people, former government people, where

441
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 1>they felt that there was something definitely going on with

442
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<v Speaker 1>UAP And this is interesting. I just wanted to pull

443
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<v Speaker 1>this up. But this is what we've got with Enigma

444
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<v Speaker 1>so far. So when we started the app, what late

445
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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, we've already got like sixteen hundred and seventy

446
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.319
<v Speaker 1>sidings so far in Canada and then out of historical

447
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>reports from other databases over nearly fifteen thousand. So yeah,

448
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sightings in Canada. And actually, if I

449
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>back up, you can see the UK with thirteen thousand,

450
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Australia five thousand, So yeah, there's you know, sightings all

451
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<v Speaker 1>around the world, all right, So getting into some of

452
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<v Speaker 1>the whistleblowers and hearsay type of stuff. This is kind

453
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<v Speaker 1>of wild. So there was supposed to be a skiff

454
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<v Speaker 1>meeting with Loua Alzando, who you mentioned that in intelligence

455
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<v Speaker 1>guy who kind of broke all this out, and David Grush,

456
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<v Speaker 1>who spoke in a congressional hearing claiming stuff about aliens

457
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<v Speaker 1>and all of this stuff. But David Grush keeps shirking

458
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<v Speaker 1>media and attention despite his claims in what he's uh

459
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<v Speaker 1>and saying that he's going to participate in these things.

460
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<v Speaker 1>So there was supposed to be this skiff meeting. They

461
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<v Speaker 1>had to cancel, and Representative Luna, who's kind of the

462
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<v Speaker 1>head of this, said Grush couldn't make it. Luel Lozando

463
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<v Speaker 1>said there was some kind of budgetary issues, But I

464
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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I'd love to hear your perspective. I

465
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<v Speaker 1>don't buy that Grush couldn't afford an airplane ticket. What's

466
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<v Speaker 1>really weird about this also is he's supposed to be

467
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<v Speaker 1>a staffer on this committee now and he can't make

468
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<v Speaker 1>it to one of his own committee's meeting that is

469
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<v Speaker 1>centered around him and his claims.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the red flags keep piling up. I mean, we

471
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<v Speaker 2>can go down that rabbit hole. But you know, I

472
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<v Speaker 2>have not not shied away from my personal feelings about

473
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<v Speaker 2>David Grush and his lack of credibility or ability or

474
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<v Speaker 2>willingness is to substantiate his claims. It's happy, happy to

475
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<v Speaker 2>make claims all day long, but when given the opportunities

476
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 2>to substantiate these claims, there's always an excuse why that

477
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 2>can't happen exactly. So the more this happens, the worse

478
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<v Speaker 2>it looks.

479
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, And you brought up the right word, credibility. It

480
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<v Speaker 1>would be one thing if this was the first time,

481
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe he got sick or something. But it's not. And

482
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>John Greenwald has been on X making a big point

483
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of that, because these are really good points. He points

484
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<v Speaker 1>out in October twenty three that Grush was supposed to

485
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<v Speaker 1>meet with Senator Jillibrien in a skiff, and then he

486
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<v Speaker 1>said he would not or could not purchase a plane

487
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<v Speaker 1>ticket to fly to Washington, DC. If I had money

488
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<v Speaker 1>at the time, not this moment, but maybe a few

489
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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, a couple months ago, I would have been

490
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<v Speaker 1>willing to have some spare money to pay for that ticket.

491
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<v Speaker 1>But I think that our listeners, even our skeptical listeners

492
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>would pay money to help him get there. Let alone,

493
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:24.079
<v Speaker 1>people are bringing up these disclosure nonprofits that are collecting money.

494
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>They can't buy him a plane ticket. Yeah, what so

495
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 1>there's that.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And you know

497
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<v Speaker 2>also also with Arrow, he was supposed to meet with

498
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<v Speaker 2>Arrow and he left them high and dry, exactly another

499
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>way build on that meeting. So he's got a history

500
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of this and it's just it's piling up and you know,

501
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 2>becoming becoming you know, kind of known that this is

502
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>this is how he operates. It's not a good look, right.

503
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<v Speaker 1>So yep, And you just mentioned the Arrow meeting, which

504
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>John Greenwald brought up and just has some records here

505
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 1>because we like to provide receipts, actual evidence for the

506
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we're alleging or talking about. And then further,

507
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 1>I just for me, this was also a big hit

508
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>on his credibility when he said in front of Congress

509
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that Arrow had never reached out to him, when there

510
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.079
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of records that show they did reach

511
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>out to him, and he had excuse after excuse not

512
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>to meet with them. It's just really wild and it

513
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of harkens back to the whole point of what

514
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 1>frustrates me with a lot of the coverage and a

515
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of the community is like this assumption that he

516
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>is credible or what he's saying is accurate, when we

517
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have any reason, there's no any like you said,

518
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>things be piling up to undermine his credibility. Really, as

519
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 1>someone who's writing about this, we should have a concern

520
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>and be skeptical, and and those concerns are piling up.

521
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 1>And just one more thing, I think what has happened

522
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and from the media people and very credible people I've

523
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>talked to, and we've seen some very high profile people

524
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of talk about this and that they were really

525
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>excited with the Alexander revelations and then Grush came out

526
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and they were really excited and one hundred percent on board,

527
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>but when nothing came of that, they all were extremely disappointed.

528
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.319
<v Speaker 1>They felt duped, They expressed their concern and then left

529
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<v Speaker 1>UAP and talking about UAP.

530
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, this isn't new. This happens all the

531
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.039
<v Speaker 2>time in this field and it always needs repeating. But

532
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 2>UFO history is cyclical. Things that have happened in the

533
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>past with UFOs will certainly happen again. And we've seen

534
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 2>it time and time again, where seemingly credible, important sounding

535
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 2>people make incredible claims and people blindly believe it absolutely

536
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, simply because this is an important sounding

537
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 2>person or they've got an impressive title. And you know,

538
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>we saw that with Paul Hellier and other you know,

539
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>government officials, where they blindly take on faith. And I

540
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>would put Harry Reid in this category two. You know,

541
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they blindly take on faith what somebody tells them because

542
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>they know that person and they trust that person. That's

543
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 2>wonderful and that works well for you, but that does

544
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 2>nothing for proof. And humans are humans. Again. I come

545
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>back to this point a lot, but humans are pretty awful.

546
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>But even if we try to be nice to humans,

547
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>humans are incredibly fallible. And it doesn't matter who you are,

548
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>what your title is, or your your important sounding position,

549
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 2>you can still be taken in by things that you

550
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>misunderstand or misinterpret. And most of what we're hearing these

551
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>days that people get excited and hyped up about with

552
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 2>UFOs and possible you know, government ties and proof of

553
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a government cover up, it's still based on people seeing

554
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 2>things that they're piecing together and reading between the lines

555
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>and making huge assumptions and then you know, making a

556
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 2>big deal about and everybody's eating it up because again,

557
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the source comes from an important sounding person or government

558
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>official with an important sounding title that means nothing. It

559
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 2>really means nothing.

560
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. And you know, you and I have a

561
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 1>little more experience because we covered a lot of these

562
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 1>people who we come forward and then turn out to

563
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>be BS. You mentioned you had people like.

564
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>This in our office almost every day. Yeah, crils and

565
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 2>generals and you know, high ranking government officials in our

566
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>office telling us the most incredible things.

567
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.839
<v Speaker 1>And at first you're like wow, and then after a

568
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>while just absolutely the same. BS. You're just rolling your eyes, like,

569
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 1>oh no, this guy's phone. For BS two, you mentioned

570
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Paul Hellier, you know, former Defense Minister for Canada, which

571
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>is very similar to Tim Galladat, you know, an admiral

572
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 1>with the Navy, both of them saying when we were

573
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>working in our official capacities, we never ran across anything

574
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that was UFO's. But now that we're looking at this stuff,

575
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>we find it very credible. They have nothing to say.

576
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 1>They're just a bunch of fan boy What they say.

577
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 2>In a sight to just like timber Chut and others,

578
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>they point to the literature, right right, they point to

579
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the literature. Read the UFO books and you'll see that

580
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>this aligns with all of the stuff you read in

581
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 2>UFO books. That's your proof, folks, that's your proof.

582
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I used to make fun of Steve Bassett,

583
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 1>who's you know, now working with the Hollywood Disclosure Project

584
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and he's been the guy to

585
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>always say, oh, disclosures around the corner every year. But

586
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when you'd ask him, where's your evidence, to just go

587
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.119
<v Speaker 1>to the Internet. And that's what these guys are doing.

588
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.559
<v Speaker 1>And it's really frustrating because it's like, we don't want

589
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.799
<v Speaker 1>to and it's I feel really irresponsible of all of

590
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>these guys in official capacities because they're using their weight

591
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and their credibility to bring credibility to things that they

592
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know are real, that are hearsay. And what's frustrating

593
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 1>is you and I can say this because we don't

594
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 1>even do this. When we write about these things. We say,

595
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>here's what we know, here's the information out there. I

596
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's real or not, even if we

597
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>feel it's real and we're like all excited. You know,

598
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 1>we're being honest and responsible by saying, here's the facts,

599
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 1>here's the situation. We've got to wait and see.

600
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the only way you can play it, really,

601
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 2>because it's totally irresponsible. That's a great word. It is

602
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 2>irresponsible and knowing this is a delicate topic, it really is.

603
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>People are hungry for answers. They are. That's why religion

604
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>is popular. People people gravitate to where they can get answers.

605
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Religion provides that for people, and UFOs goes down the

606
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 2>religion line. Because people hungry, desperate for those answers find

607
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 2>plenty of people within the UFO community very happy to

608
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>give those answers. Right, and this field is filled with

609
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 2>no shortage of shady people who are happy to provide

610
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>those answers because it gives them a following, because it

611
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 2>provides them an income, and you know, they apparently have

612
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 2>no moral qualms about that. It's horribly irresponsible and people

613
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>are are We've seen this from the inside. It is

614
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 2>really heartbreaking seeing how desperate people are for these answers

615
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>about UFOs. They spend all of their money money they

616
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 2>don't have, you know, paying people to give them answers.

617
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we've seen so many shady people just

618
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and these shady people giving these answers are laughing at

619
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 2>these people behind their backs. You know, we've heard them

620
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>behind stages just making fun of the audience that paid

621
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>to see them, that you know, pay for their livelihoods.

622
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's heartbreaking, it's disgusting. And you know, again,

623
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that's why I think, especially with a topic like UFOs,

624
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>where you know you have people desperate for answers, just

625
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 2>hanging waiting for anybody to give them those answers, it

626
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 2>puts more of an onus on us to be that

627
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>extra extra especially responsible, careful with this information and not

628
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 2>claiming that we have answers. We can provide the information

629
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's all we can do. I mean, pretending

630
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that we know we can give people definitive answers is

631
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>grossly irresponsible and disgusting.

632
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to take a minute to actually call

633
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>someone out. And there's only one name I can think of,

634
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 1>and you know that where we've talked about before because

635
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 1>we were really close with this individual and it was

636
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny and I would say, uh, I have

637
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 1>some a little bit of affection for this person, you know,

638
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's a showman. It's him Mussan. You know, we

639
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>helped videotape and stream a conference of his. Every time

640
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 1>he would come to town, we would hang out with him.

641
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Our boss had open Minds, bought one of his squirrel

642
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>monkeys that you know, was a fake alien. He's still

643
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 1>doing that. It's so funny.

644
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Brought heimd to my wedding. So yeah, your boss brought

645
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>May Moves on to your web and Danny she had

646
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>He just like randomly showed up with them at my wedding.

647
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, him Mussan and Danny sheehan, Oh my

648
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>gosh at your wedding, uninvited, just showing.

649
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Up right, but stealing my booze.

650
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 1>And Hi. May is one of those people who would

651
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 1>laugh behind the scenes. It would kind of be grudgingly

652
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>because it was his staff who would laugh and and

653
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, making fun of people and stuff,

654
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and and you could tell normally Himay's joke around and

655
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.639
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to be play it straight in front of us.

656
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>But he was one of those guys that just he

657
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 1>And it's so funny because I found myself on Telemundo.

658
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, they asked me about Himan so Hai May

659
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>of course took U opportunity and had this back and

660
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>forth videos. Even though I didn't talk to him. They

661
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>just took my interview and he disputed what I had

662
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to say. But he has been doing this forever, and

663
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't care about the truth. We know for

664
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>a fact there were a lot of times where he

665
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 1>knew the truth, but depending on the audience, he would

666
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 1>give different versions of what's going on.

667
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 2>And this is a good example of how things in

668
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the UFO topic and the UFO field are cyclical, right,

669
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 2>because it's the unfortunate. One of the unfortunate things about

670
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>this field is that it doesn't matter how bad you're shamed.

671
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Just wait a little while and then you can do

672
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the same things over and over again, you know, right,

673
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 2>if you're publicly exposed for pushing fake aliens, just wait

674
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years and then come out with more

675
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>alien bodies, do the same thing all over again.

676
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. And I've got to say, moving on to

677
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 1>our next story, because I wanted to bring out Heimi

678
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>because he's a perfect example of that. But the thing

679
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>is with him, I guess to wrap this up is

680
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that he sees himself as a showman, entertaining people and

681
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of like this a huge.

682
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Celebrity and I want to I want to back up

683
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and let people know that and I have I have,

684
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, no ill will against Hima. Jim is a sweetheart.

685
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 2>He's always been wonderful to me. He was he was

686
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a friend, you know, so, but getting to spend time

687
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>with him in Mexico City, that really lets you know

688
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>how revered he is in Mexico City and what a

689
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>major celebrity he is. I mean, I was in the

690
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 2>car going down the street and people would come up

691
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and pound on the windows because they could see he

692
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>was in the car and they would want his autograph, right,

693
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.760
<v Speaker 2>they would see him going down the street, and that's

694
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 2>the kind of draw he has. You'd go to a restaurant,

695
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody would swarm him at the restaurant and want his autograph.

696
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, fills auditoriums in Mexico City when he does

697
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 2>presentations there. He is a massive celebrity.

698
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Right right. Yeah, So it's this this showman aspect of it,

699
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 1>and I think even it's almost like WWF where some

700
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 1>of the audience even appreciate that about him, and for them,

701
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a game. It's not like ups where we're researching.

702
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for the truth. And you know, even when

703
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I've said stuff against him where I'm like I doubt

704
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 1>this or I don't believe this, or even told the truth,

705
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>like he knows this is wrong, but he's saying it anyway.

706
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't care. He'll still be like, can I interview

707
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 1>you and let's debate, And you know he doesn't mind that.

708
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>It's all part of the show.

709
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>There are lots of showmen in this field.

710
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, well you know another showman, and I will come

711
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 1>out and say, I believe he is a showman. It

712
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>is Jeremy Corbell. Because there have been and we'll go

713
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>over this because this is the next story. There have

714
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.679
<v Speaker 1>been several times where I've brought to him the fact

715
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>regarding something he has covered, or he's called me and said,

716
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I need information on this, what's the deal

717
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, well, you know this is bs, here's

718
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the truth, and he's like eh, and he just covers

719
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 1>it anyway. So he's done, just like I made the

720
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>same thing where he covers stuff regardless of whether it's true.

721
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Or not. He just said, and we'll show examples of that.

722
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>But I could go through those just real quick. Like

723
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Richard Doty, who's a liar. He wanted to bring him

724
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 1>to the Area fifty one festival where he asked me

725
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to speak. I told him, well, then I'm not going

726
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 1>to go to speak there, and so he got upset.

727
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 1>But he's like, fine, Doty doesn't even show up, Dody,

728
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, but neither did anybody else to see this show,

729
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>so it was no big deal. But that was one

730
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of them. There's this other guy, the Nano man he

731
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>was covering that stole the story of this psychic alien

732
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 1>experience that he had from this person that he went

733
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and read search that Nancy Talbot was researching in Denmark.

734
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>And I told, you know, and there's plenty of evidence

735
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of this, because Nancy had been writing about this guy

736
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and this guy went out there and then totally stole

737
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a story. He didn't care. He still pushed this guy.

738
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And then the guy that we called mister Nanotubes, the

739
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>guy who was examining the alleged you know, alien material

740
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.639
<v Speaker 1>and some material that our boss had had him examined.

741
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>And we called him Nanoman because every mister nanotubes, because

742
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 1>everything examined was alien nanotubes wasn't. But Jeremy again, he

743
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 1>includes him in his documentary and everything, despite all of

744
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this that I gave him. So it's kind of frustrating.

745
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Now I don't believe that of George Knapp. I think

746
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>his heart's in the right place. But still always hard.

747
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>It's always hard to tell with people because again we're

748
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>all different, but people get very emotionally involved with this

749
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>topic too, and as we see with a lot of

750
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the whistleblowers who come out, you know, it's hard to tell,

751
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's certainly not the blanket. You know, same situation

752
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>with everybody. But I do believe that a lot of

753
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>these people genuinely believe what they're saying.

754
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Right.

755
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>They've seen what they've seen, and in their mind they

756
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>pieced it together and they've figured it all out, and

757
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to convince them otherwise. They know the truth,

758
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to tell everybody, you know, what they

759
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.199
<v Speaker 2>believe because that's what they believe to be the truth.

760
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 2>And people get very passionately emotionally wrapped up in this.

761
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 2>And Jeremy is somebody with a very strong personality and

762
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not saying this is what's happening with Jeremy,

763
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>but I know there are people who get so emotionally

764
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>wrapped up in this that they're full of fire, full

765
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 2>of passion, and they need to they need to expose

766
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the cover up, and they're on a mission and nothing's

767
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>going to stop them. And if you get in their way,

768
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 2>you're the enemy. And you know what you have to say,

769
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.519
<v Speaker 2>you're just trying to obstruct the truth from getting out

770
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be. But some people get

771
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 2>so laser focused on what they've put together in their

772
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>mind is the truth that they've They've you know, put

773
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>all the puzzle pieces together, that everybody else has it wrong,

774
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 2>only they have it right, And get out of my

775
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 2>way because I'm on a mission.

776
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I kind of blame you for Jeremy Corbelt because when

777
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.440
<v Speaker 1>he came to the scene, it was that surfer Silver

778
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Surfer Ufler turned out to be the Red Bull Parachute team,

779
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 1>But that just got the bug in him because he

780
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>was in the news all over the place. You how,

781
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 1>we're writing about it and helping bringing attention to that story,

782
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.519
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, he took off from there.

783
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>There were so many people we interviewed over the years

784
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 2>that I guess we're responsible for putting in the limelight.

785
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I I I'm to blame for a

786
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of things over the years, I think because I've

787
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I've also been very honest and you know I've I've

788
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 2>even said on multiple interviews that the UFO topic is

789
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>one of those topics where it's very easy to become

790
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a celebrity very quickly. Yeah, And when I said that,

791
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 2>I always say, I know this is probably a bad

792
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 2>thing and it's going to cause people to you know,

793
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of this, and you know, I'm going to

794
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>be responsible for this, but it really is because again

795
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>it comes back to the fact that there are so

796
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.800
<v Speaker 2>many people desperate and hungry for answers. If you, you know,

797
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 2>are an unscrupulous, unscrupulous individual with no morals and you know,

798
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>are happy misleading people, it's so easy to do in

799
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>this field and get a massive following.

800
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to necessarily, I don't know Jeremy's

801
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 1>motives completely, but I guess what I would say it

802
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>And this is where I think George Knapps should know better.

803
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Is the way they report things is completely wrong and

804
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not the way we would do it. And what

805
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean by that because it's it's turned on them.

806
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 1>So we can go over UFO video and leak one

807
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>after another that gets debunked almost immediately when they put

808
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>it out, such as the video of the pyramid UFOs,

809
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>which was obviously some sort of lens thing because every

810
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>light in the sky was triangle shape. At least Travis Taylor,

811
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 1>who is defending that, had to say, Okay, you know,

812
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.639
<v Speaker 1>there's obvious a lens effect that one that some others

813
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 1>that we're going to talk about as we move on here.

814
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>But several of these videos that get quickly debunked where

815
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>they come out and these are real, these are UFOs,

816
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.320
<v Speaker 1>these are aliens, and it's like, we don't know that.

817
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 1>That's not how this works. Just because you're discovering something,

818
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>you know it, that's when something needs to be researched

819
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and investigated. If there's a liar, you can't immediately jump

820
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:41.159
<v Speaker 1>to that conclusion.

821
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that, and I will call this out here.

822
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.119
<v Speaker 2>This is this is where it gets into the realm

823
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 2>of being irresponsible. You know, it doesn't doesn't do anybody

824
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 2>any favors when you throw out you know, just kind

825
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>of a flippant Eh, we're not saying it's aliens. But

826
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, everything you're saying is saying this

827
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 2>is exotic, this is a cover up, this is not

828
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>this is obviously non human intelligence. Right, You can't have

829
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>it both ways, and painting it is Hey, we're just

830
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 2>we're just presenting the facts and asking questions. No, that's

831
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 2>usually not what's happening. You're you're painting a narrative. You're

832
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>pushing things into a corner and presenting things is anomalist

833
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 2>when in fact, all you have is some random person

834
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>gave you something and you know, because of mysterious circumstances

835
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 2>or something that seemed bizarre to them, and because it

836
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.280
<v Speaker 2>was a military source, you're thinking this is non human intelligence.

837
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And that's how you're pushing it to the world and

838
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 2>sounding the alarm and going on the news and making

839
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it into a big deal when it doesn't need to

840
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>be because you don't know what it is, and you

841
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 2>don't really know the source of the video, you don't

842
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>know all the details. You're operating with very limited details.

843
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 2>You can't make these huge jumps. You can't sound the alarm,

844
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't excite people under the guise of oh, we're

845
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>just we're just trying to find answers.

846
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work. It's irresponsible. Loue Alesando did this recently,

847
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and it undermines your credibility when you know, he showed

848
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>these UFO videos at a conference they got leaked at.

849
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 1>He showed these these pictures and they were immediately debunked.

850
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 1>They were old hoaxes or misidentifications, and he's like, oops,

851
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 1>you can't just oops that when you're using this to

852
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>justify that there's an alien cover up.

853
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, I mean I give people leeway, not

854
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 2>not you know, having the sort of institutional knowledge or

855
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the legacy knowledge that people like you and I would

856
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>have having been in this for so many years and

857
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 2>having seen so much and researched so much. Everybody's not

858
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 2>going to have all of this information immediately. That being said,

859
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.039
<v Speaker 2>that should be understood. And again, as a responsible person

860
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 2>communicating about this and really wanting to get to the

861
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>bottom of it, or you know, pretending that you're trying

862
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 2>to educate people or or get people interested in the topic,

863
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you have to be responsible. You have to lead with

864
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>those those remarks like, well, here's something don't know what

865
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 2>this is. Here are the circumstances kind of strange things here,

866
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 2>strange things there. Don't know what that is, but we'll

867
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>continue looking into it. But that's an example of some

868
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>of the strange things we're seeing.

869
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Right.

870
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 2>You can't have your definitive answers and push things on

871
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 2>people when you yourself have no idea.

872
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, and so we're starting to run short at time,

873
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>But there's so much to talk about. But this is

874
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:45.159
<v Speaker 1>one of those instances, the new whistle blower from Jeremy

875
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and George and their Weaponize show. And what is difficult

876
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.360
<v Speaker 1>about this is that if you watch it again, this

877
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>whistle blower is saying, especially at the majority already of

878
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this interview, first of all, is about his perceptions about things,

879
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's just that his perceptions. Then he gets into, oh,

880
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't mention this name or that name or you

881
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 1>get fired. And they asked, well, was that you know

882
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that that wasn't something that was mandated. He's like, oh, no,

883
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't anything that came down. But I heard stories,

884
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and people said they heard stories, so it's like rumor. Again.

885
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just the same thing about mentioning the name of

886
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>immaculate constellation. You know, and this has so many similarities

887
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to Luis Elizondo too. You know, this guy stumbled upon

888
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>this while he was doing volunteer work. It wasn't part

889
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of his regular job, you know. I mean just lots

890
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of things of people coming across things that's outside of

891
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:52.119
<v Speaker 2>their scope, outside of their knowledge, with limited information. In

892
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 2>this interview, he even says that things weren't spelled out

893
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.639
<v Speaker 2>in this document, that he had to put things together

894
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>on his own and sort of what it was saying.

895
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 1>And that this level of classification that this information had

896
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.679
<v Speaker 1>it was in a place that it shouldn't have been.

897
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.760
<v Speaker 1>He said, well, they're probably getting egg on their face

898
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>because now it's starting to look like that they were wrong,

899
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.519
<v Speaker 1>that this wasn't what he thinks it was. First of all,

900
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 1>one of the things he said it was that Shawn

901
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>kerk Patrick, who was aware of legacy UFO programs, Shawn Kirkpatrick,

902
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Stephen green Street interviewed him and Kirkpatrick says, no, that's

903
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 1>BS and I don't believe that whatsoever. But if you

904
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 1>look at here David Grush, one of the things he

905
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>worked on was the Shriver wargame, and the best So.

906
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 2>This guy went through and came across was labeled as

907
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 2>part of this this war game. So right away that

908
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>should be a red flag and let people know, well

909
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was supposed to be. You know, everything in

910
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 2>this file was part of a wargame.

911
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and then this guy in this rush was.

912
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Part of that war game. Yeah, so an advisor on.

913
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>The exactly grush was an advisor on it. And this

914
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>guy is really great. He's just like, hey, guys, I

915
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 1>think they made anonymous mistake. The twenty eighteen Sdriver wargame

916
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 1>is not a big deal. They do this wargame scenario

917
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>every year.

918
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.599
<v Speaker 2>They look at future future risks that they're looking at

919
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:34.199
<v Speaker 2>combat in space and adversaries, you know in space. So

920
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.880
<v Speaker 2>this is all very in line with what those wargames do.

921
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And this is a wargame that was an imaginary scenario

922
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 1>that took place in twenty twenty eight the future.

923
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and and you know the twenty eighteen wargames.

924
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 2>The guy says that the photo he mentions that he

925
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 2>saw a photo of Russian submarine in a UFO above

926
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it or whatever, and he mentions that it was located

927
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 2>in the in the Pacific at Konchukka or something that

928
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Kucha Peninsula, but that is in the North Pacific where

929
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the US Indo Pacific Command was sort of in charge

930
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 2>of one of these exercises that took place at those wargames.

931
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's in the exact location where it should be

932
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 2>for these people being involved. So that again ties into

933
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the wargames mentioned on the first slide. So I don't

934
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 2>know why one would assume that it's anything else.

935
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>And this guy, even at least in this interview, said

936
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:50.159
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have any inside knowledge. That he got excited

937
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 1>with the New York Times article in the Navy videos

938
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 1>just like the rest of us, but he didn't have

939
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>He said he hadn't seen those on government servers and

940
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>has no special insight either than what everybody else has seen.

941
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>And this has happened before in the news, even recently

942
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 1>as an example of people misinterpreting. Of course, you and

943
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I see this all the time, and we spend so

944
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 1>much time correcting people. But this article that first actually

945
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>was covered by Weekly World News. Yep, the bat Boy

946
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:21.920
<v Speaker 1>people that the Russian shot down in Ufo and it

947
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 1>turned people into stone, and the CIA knew about it.

948
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 1>The New York Post among others talk about CIA files

949
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 1>detailing Soviet crash, but Scopes actually are doing an analysis

950
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.440
<v Speaker 1>with the Snopes with an accurate headline. It doesn't prove

951
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>aliens to turn Soviets into stone. And it was never classified.

952
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>It was simply a news clipping.

953
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the funny thing about so many CIA

954
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 2>and FBI UFO files people get excited about. But those

955
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>UFO files are filled, which is scans of newspaper clippings

956
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 2>of letters that UFO researchers wrote. They're not things that

957
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.599
<v Speaker 2>prove any sort of UFO you know, incident. They're just

958
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:19.119
<v Speaker 2>documenting UFO mentions, the mentions of the word UFO exactly.

959
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think people could say, well, why are

960
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 1>they collecting news clippings on UFOs. That's a legit question,

961
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

962
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And you could say there were potential, you know, certainly

963
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 2>reasons for that during the Cold War, and that's when

964
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff happened.

965
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly.

966
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I will, I will, I will say something that you

967
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 2>know might lend some credence to this story is those

968
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen war games that took place, that's where they

969
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>were based out of Russia. No they were at the

970
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:56.639
<v Speaker 2>Air Force Warmongering Institute that's located at Maxwell Air Force

971
00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Base's Curtis E. LeMay Center. O huh MJ twelfth throwback there.

972
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there. It always comes back to something, you

973
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 1>know what. That reminds me too of another frustrating thing.

974
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 1>In this interview, they invoke Bob Blazar. Oh, this is

975
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 1>just like what happened to Bob Blazar. Bob Blazaar is

976
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the worst. What's really frustrating about the Bob Blazaar story

977
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 1>is that Jeremy and George Knapp, also the original person

978
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to cover Lazar, do not cover any of the dubious

979
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 1>or just like they're doing to this day, the dubious

980
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 1>or items that undermine the credibility of both of these

981
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:43.320
<v Speaker 1>witnesses or at least Lazaar, which there are numerous ones.

982
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got an article coming out. But the

983
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 1>biggest one for me is that he started these claims

984
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.599
<v Speaker 1>when he talked about aliens fighting at Area fifty one

985
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and all of this crap only weeks after Richard Doty

986
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Speaker 1>said this on this UFO Live TV show for the

987
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.559
<v Speaker 1>first time, and then the public had ever heard, oh

988
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>there's aliens in Area fifty one and he's like, the

989
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 1>aliens have taken over the base and all of this

990
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy bes and then Lazar Jempson, Oh yeah, I was there.

991
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Let alone is criminal background, none of which they cover,

992
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:21.679
<v Speaker 1>which seriously undermined his credibility. This lone witness who they

993
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 1>take hook line and sinker that, you know, proves that

994
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 1>aliens were or are at Area fifty one.

995
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and back to our earlier point of just being

996
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>irresponsible and the fallout from that. You know, I really

997
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:41.679
<v Speaker 2>feel for this guy coming forward making himself public with

998
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.960
<v Speaker 2>this Immaculate Constellation stuff, because I do feel that a

999
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of the rhetoric that has been pushed, a lot

1000
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.519
<v Speaker 2>of the talking points in the narrative, pushed by a

1001
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of the leading voices in the UFO community now

1002
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.960
<v Speaker 2>have really made a lot of people like this individual

1003
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.800
<v Speaker 2>clearly convinced that there's this grand and cover up that

1004
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:05.400
<v Speaker 2>humanity is you know, is being given a great disservice,

1005
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that we're all being harmed by this uh you know,

1006
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:11.159
<v Speaker 2>government cover up and this technology being held under wraps,

1007
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and that we have a right to know this information,

1008
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 2>and people are willing to risk their careers and their

1009
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>lives to come out and share this information with the

1010
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>public because we all have a right to know. Well, again,

1011
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to do that, it'd be great to have,

1012
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:31.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, some something solid when a lot of this again,

1013
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, even when you're you're trying to articulate, it

1014
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 2>is based on assumptions you've made on things you pieced

1015
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 2>together with very limited information and out of context. I

1016
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know what to say about that. You know, that

1017
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>seems incredibly shortsighted and irresponsible. I don't. I don't know

1018
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the guy, and I can't make you know life choices

1019
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 2>for him. But also this narrative again has been so

1020
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 2>highlighted and pushed in recent years with the big talking

1021
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 2>heads about how dangerous it is to talk about UFOs

1022
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and how your life is in danger and how you

1023
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>give up everything if you talk about UFOs, And that

1024
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is just the biggest load to me, because you and

1025
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I know we've covered this over so many years. We've

1026
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>seen the people high ranking government officials and military personnel,

1027
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.400
<v Speaker 2>let alone anybody else.

1028
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Stories so much bigger than any.

1029
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Of these people, and they've been just fine. They haven't

1030
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.920
<v Speaker 2>been killed. All of obody who gets claimed or claim

1031
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 2>that have been executed because of their UFO pursuits. We

1032
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 2>know otherwise there are other stories that you know are

1033
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 2>are unfortunate and contributed to those deaths. But you know,

1034
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody is on edge now and thinks that this is

1035
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.599
<v Speaker 2>such a delicate topic and you can't broach it. But

1036
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>again back to just public reception, and even coworkers, like anybody,

1037
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 2>everybody loves UFOs. Everybody is interested in this topic and

1038
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.800
<v Speaker 2>they always have. And when you talk to people and

1039
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.280
<v Speaker 2>let them know that you're serious about UFOs, the flood

1040
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 2>gates open and they want to tell you their own sightings,

1041
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 2>their own stories. It's not ridicule, it's it's a lot

1042
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:14.159
<v Speaker 2>of fear of possible ridicule that drives fear in people

1043
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and keeps this such a mysterious kind of ooh topic

1044
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 2>that we can't talk about and if we do, we're

1045
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 2>going to be executed. Again. Irresponsible to be pushing these narratives.

1046
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very irresponsible And a lot of that group, the

1047
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>intel groups or the people working a lot of the

1048
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.760
<v Speaker 1>people associated with that Soul conference. That's what they say

1049
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:44.480
<v Speaker 1>and do, and I think it's extremely extremely irresponsible. You know.

1050
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Somebody argued Travis Taylor argued with me, oh, there doesn't

1051
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.199
<v Speaker 1>have to be extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, but there

1052
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:58.239
<v Speaker 1>has to be some evidence something not zero. This is also,

1053
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I think really interesting because one of the people speculated

1054
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 1>on that Reddit that maybe they created that war scenario

1055
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to screw with like Aleizando and Corbell, and they were

1056
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 1>just taking things from the media to say, oh, you

1057
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:17.440
<v Speaker 1>know what if this scenario happened, It's very interesting. This

1058
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 1>is called immaculate constellation, this alleged program. When Jeremy created

1059
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 1>a documentary about the ridiculous things that John Lear has

1060
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.079
<v Speaker 1>to say, why was Jeremy even highlighting I felt so

1061
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable when he was doing this because we were really

1062
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.159
<v Speaker 1>close with Jeremy at the time. But John Lear, who

1063
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.199
<v Speaker 1>just makes up all these wild conspiracies. Anyway, it seems

1064
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 1>like it's being buried because a website's down in everything.

1065
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.360
<v Speaker 1>But in twenty sixteen, Jeremy made this documentary Immaculate Deception,

1066
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.639
<v Speaker 1>full of wild alien claims, none of which were verified

1067
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 1>are true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. Here's another thing like I don't

1069
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean, especially knowing that and again

1070
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 2>this goes back to sort of institutional knowledge and knowing

1071
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.400
<v Speaker 2>what's been done in UFO history before, but we know

1072
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that people have been fed fake documents. That's a huge

1073
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 2>part of you know, disinformation campaigns for whatever reason, It's

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01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 2>been done multiple times. And George and Jeremy certainly know

1075
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:29.320
<v Speaker 2>that they're good friends with Richard Dody, So you know,

1076
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>it's very very interesting. In my mind, I don't know

1077
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:37.280
<v Speaker 2>what's going on there. But again, because we've seen this

1078
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 2>happen before, because we know, and especially living in the

1079
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 2>age we live in now, this is a different world

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01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.199
<v Speaker 2>from when you and I were doing this at Open Minds.

1081
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It is infinitely easier to fix everything, videos, images, documents,

1082
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.119
<v Speaker 2>like it's all out. You can have all of the

1083
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 2>great images and videos and whatever you want, it's all out.

1084
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 2>So I know that sounds incredibly just flippant and you know,

1085
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:06.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of morbid with this topic, just like give up.

1086
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.000
<v Speaker 2>UFOs are done. There's nothing we can do. And honestly,

1087
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of how UFOs are always going to be

1088
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.960
<v Speaker 2>when you're dealing with the unknown. That's the frustrating part

1089
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of UFOs. We're not going to have definitive answers, but

1090
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 2>something we are guaranteed to have is a lot of

1091
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.800
<v Speaker 2>bus and an endless supply of it.

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, And I've that's why I've argued the science route

1093
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is the only route, the Nassat route, doing the and

1094
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 1>invoking sit ince in science and crowdsourcing to get the

1095
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 1>public involved and transparently investigating and doing science. Which is

1096
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.239
<v Speaker 1>our last two stories to cover very quickly what really

1097
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Arrow is doing. At least they're showing their work, and

1098
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:54.599
<v Speaker 1>they release today too of their resolution reports, or at

1099
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:57.280
<v Speaker 1>least gave a little heads up for one, and then

1100
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.440
<v Speaker 1>released this one. This one I'm not as excited about.

1101
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's these volcano sightings that typically turn out

1102
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.199
<v Speaker 1>to be as you and I know, you know, just

1103
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 1>lots of weird stuff is pushed out volcanoes. Things.

1104
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we used to always report about.

1105
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good job. I've always been impressed in the way

1106
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 1>you've been able to say that. So there's this one,

1107
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:23.880
<v Speaker 1>But even more to the point, there's yet another. This

1108
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was one of Jeremy's leaks of what very quickly people

1109
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 1>identified as a local a balloon that is common to

1110
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the local area during the holiday that was going on

1111
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 1>at the time, And sure enough, Aero says that this

1112
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:47.719
<v Speaker 1>was a balloon, a cluster of partially and fully inflated

1113
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 1>balloons that came from the local area. So they're going

1114
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to release that. But this was yet another one where

1115
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy comes out, look proof of aliens. But no, very

1116
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.559
<v Speaker 1>quickly it was the that's not how you do it,

1117
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you and I and I keep going back

1118
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to this, but it's just the truth because we've got

1119
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.320
<v Speaker 1>experience doing it. And that's what's so great about you

1120
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and I talking right now. We wouldn't have released this

1121
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.519
<v Speaker 1>story that way. We would have said, here's a new video.

1122
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 1>It looks pretty interesting, just like I do all the

1123
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 1>time when the next segment of my show is going

1124
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to be about some of the cool sightings this week

1125
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.559
<v Speaker 1>from Enigma, but not one of them will I say

1126
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.320
<v Speaker 1>is real. In fact, I always tell the audience I

1127
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.159
<v Speaker 1>expect these videos that I put out that I think

1128
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.679
<v Speaker 1>are weird to be debunked. But what I'm hoping is

1129
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that there will be one that can't be debunked. And

1130
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that's I think the angle that you have to have

1131
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.639
<v Speaker 1>it out. Look, this is interesting, it needs more research.

1132
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what it is. Not look proof of aliens.

1133
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 1>The government tiding everything. Be careful who you show this

1134
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.079
<v Speaker 1>video to or you might get killed.

1135
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again public education comes back to so much

1136
01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:02.360
<v Speaker 2>emphasis on public education because cause again, we all are different.

1137
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.400
<v Speaker 2>We all have different life experiences. We've all seen different

1138
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.960
<v Speaker 2>seen and experienced different things in our lives. We all

1139
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.119
<v Speaker 2>live in different different parts of the world. There are

1140
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.599
<v Speaker 2>different different things in the sky and different parts of

1141
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the world. There are new things being launched into the

1142
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.360
<v Speaker 2>sky all the time. I mean, where where we see

1143
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:22.199
<v Speaker 2>starlink all the time. That's gonna get worse, infinitely worse.

1144
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Amazon is getting into that game. They just launched a

1145
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.199
<v Speaker 2>bunch of satellites and they're gonna have thousands of satellites

1146
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 2>in the air doing the same thing as starlink, providing

1147
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Internet to remote locations. So space is just absolutely littered.

1148
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Our skies are absolutely littered, and you know we it

1149
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.639
<v Speaker 2>behooves us all to familiarize ourselves and for us as

1150
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 2>researchers too, in stories like that where you have something weird,

1151
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:52.280
<v Speaker 2>we can lean on our experience and share that and say, look,

1152
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 2>this is bizarre here that, here's the situation, here are

1153
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the details we have. This you know strongly resembles this

1154
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen many times before, and here's a video

1155
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 2>showing a similar thing, but we don't know at this point.

1156
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That's a likely explanation, but other more exotic explanations are possibilities.

1157
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 2>You've got to be responsible with this stuff.

1158
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And and I do want to kind of

1159
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 1>finish this off with that's all the news. I had

1160
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:24.199
<v Speaker 1>to cover a lot of stuff, but that kind of

1161
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like we mentioned with hai May before, just because we're

1162
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.519
<v Speaker 1>critical of the way that people approach this sometimes very

1163
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.840
<v Speaker 1>concerned about the way that they reproach approach it because

1164
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:38.519
<v Speaker 1>it's irresponsible. Quite frankly, in the past, we haven't had

1165
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.079
<v Speaker 1>so many people who were former government officials kind of

1166
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:44.960
<v Speaker 1>grouping together and doing this and irresponsible kind.

1167
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Of steering a narrative. It's very concerning steering.

1168
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:51.280
<v Speaker 1>But we still it doesn't mean that we hate these people,

1169
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that we think they're evil. You and I have spent

1170
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time with many of these people and

1171
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and have do consider them friends, even though some of

1172
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:04.199
<v Speaker 1>them of friends anymore because I'm vocal about not agreeing

1173
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.239
<v Speaker 1>with them, which is unfortunate because you know, I don't.

1174
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:10.239
<v Speaker 2>We all have our perspectives.

1175
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and yeah, you've probably are the same. You have

1176
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of affection for many of those people. Still

1177
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I meet mine.

1178
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:21.239
<v Speaker 2>And again that that's what another part of what makes

1179
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you up O so hard, right, And it's even more

1180
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 2>emotional for for us, you know, at this this stage

1181
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 2>in our careers. And I'm glad you brought that up

1182
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.319
<v Speaker 2>because we we are this way and we're we're talking

1183
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:37.159
<v Speaker 2>this way now because we care so much about this topic,

1184
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:40.319
<v Speaker 2>because we've invested so much time in this topic, because

1185
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.600
<v Speaker 2>we want to see good research done, and we're really

1186
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:51.000
<v Speaker 2>alarmed and disappointed in where this conversation has gone. It's

1187
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:55.960
<v Speaker 2>really been. Yeah, it is just it's frustrating to see.

1188
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't like seeing people take an advantage of I

1189
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:01.560
<v Speaker 2>don't like seeing people given full hope and false narratives

1190
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.439
<v Speaker 2>and told what to believe. This isn't the field where

1191
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.079
<v Speaker 2>you can be told what to believe. Yes, belief drives

1192
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of UFOs, but belief is individual for all

1193
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of us. We all have to individually weigh the evidence

1194
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:16.680
<v Speaker 2>for ourselves and make our own conclusions.

1195
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so much for coming on. We used

1196
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.560
<v Speaker 1>step that entire first hour and then a little more.

1197
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 1>But it was a lot of fun, a lot and

1198
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:28.760
<v Speaker 1>we were able to get through a lot of stuff.

1199
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you feel there's anything unsaid that you

1200
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:33.760
<v Speaker 1>want to share, maybe something you're working on or you

1201
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:34.960
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to people about.

1202
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so. But we'll do this again soon.

1203
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we can go on and on and on exactly.

1204
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things I want to do is

1205
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:48.399
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily focus on having new guests, but having a

1206
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:50.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of the guests like you, that are high quality

1207
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 1>guests where we can analyze some of this stuff, can

1208
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:57.159
<v Speaker 1>look at some of this stuff that's going on, because

1209
01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what the audience wants. They're like, well,

1210
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:01.680
<v Speaker 1>what am I supposed to make of all of this?

1211
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 1>And not to say, listen to what we have to say,

1212
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and we've got you've got to adhere to what we say.

1213
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 1>But at least it's a different perspective, and we're just

1214
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:13.760
<v Speaker 1>sharing our insights from our years and years of doing

1215
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.560
<v Speaker 1>this much of that full time.

1216
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't listen to that show. Those just the crabby old

1217
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:25.640
<v Speaker 2>UFO guys bitching and moaning. There is bryaning about something's

1218
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.119
<v Speaker 2>something we might have to do is uh. You know,

1219
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:31.239
<v Speaker 2>when you get the uh start getting the magazines posted,

1220
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.359
<v Speaker 2>we can maybe do some behind the scenes stories about

1221
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:34.920
<v Speaker 2>some of those.

1222
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:36.800
<v Speaker 1>That would be a lot of fun.

1223
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 2>That's great to go through through each, uh, you know,

1224
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:41.760
<v Speaker 2>each issue and kind of talk about some of the

1225
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 2>stories related to those.

1226
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Karen's always telling me the stories and everything are

1227
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.520
<v Speaker 1>so crazy that you guys got to write about some

1228
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of that. It's just I get hesitant sometimes because I

1229
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily want to embarrass people, but because there's yeah,

1230
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that's right.

1231
01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:58.399
<v Speaker 2>And again, I mean, all these people are our friends.

1232
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 2>We have so much history with these people. I do

1233
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 2>consider them friends. But yeah, I think this functional family

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01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.760
<v Speaker 2>almost dysfunctional family. There we go.

1235
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:13.039
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thanks so much for joining my pleasure.

1236
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Allahandra, thank you.

1237
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.960
<v Speaker 1>It was great to talk to you fos with Jason again.

1238
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoyed that. I certainly did. But now

1239
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:27.079
<v Speaker 1>let's move on to the Enigma sidings of the week.

1240
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I look at videos literally every day to come through

1241
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:35.039
<v Speaker 1>and find the most interesting videos, and that's what we'ld

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at to start with. Let's look at one

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01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that is been really popular with users. All right, so

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01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:48.600
<v Speaker 1>let's take a look here. This is from Palermo, Italy,

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01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:53.000
<v Speaker 1>from Monreal or MONREALI so this person said that they

1246
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 1>saw these three silver triangular shapes. We only recently got

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01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:00.560
<v Speaker 1>this video, that's why I'm covering it now. However, they

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01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:05.520
<v Speaker 1>say this event took place on October twenty four, twenty

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01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty four. So let's take a look here, and just

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01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.439
<v Speaker 1>for the listeners to tell you a little bit more

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01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.079
<v Speaker 1>about what we're looking at. Is you do see this

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01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:19.439
<v Speaker 1>palm tree in the foreground in the distance, then you

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01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.760
<v Speaker 1>see some hills. You see one hill, then another kind

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01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.479
<v Speaker 1>of larger hill, kind of cliff behind it that's more

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01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of in shadow. Over the hill, you see these

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01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:35.479
<v Speaker 1>three luminous lights, and it kind of looks like three

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01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:38.520
<v Speaker 1>objects that are over the hill. However, I think they're

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01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:42.880
<v Speaker 1>further back in the background and actually on that cliff

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01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 1>side or on that mountain that's in the background. It's

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01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.399
<v Speaker 1>hard to say for sure. When I look at videos

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01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:53.920
<v Speaker 1>like this, often videos that have a hill or mountain

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01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in the background, the objects typically turn out to be

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01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.680
<v Speaker 1>something that is on the hill in the background. Here,

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01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the hill is in shadow, potentially three shiny objects that

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01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.199
<v Speaker 1>are reflecting light that are not in shadow, so they

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01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.640
<v Speaker 1>look more stunning. But yeah, there's no movement in them,

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01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.680
<v Speaker 1>so that's what makes me think they're not floating? Now

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01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.439
<v Speaker 1>the palm tree isn't moving either, so there's no wind.

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01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:24.239
<v Speaker 1>If they were balloons or something like that, that would

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01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 1>be possible, but you would probably see at least some movement.

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01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, very interesting video, and this one's gotten a

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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of attention with a lot of people discussing it

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01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on that app So really interesting video. Love to know

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01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.319
<v Speaker 1>what you think. Moving on from Palermo, Italy, let's take

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01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:46.720
<v Speaker 1>a look at the next video. This one is from Maryland, Columbia, Maryland.

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01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.560
<v Speaker 1>This was on April fifteenth of this year, so just

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01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:54.720
<v Speaker 1>a couple weeks ago at almost nine pm. Now, immediately

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01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.479
<v Speaker 1>most of you are probably gonna know what this is,

1279
01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:02.000
<v Speaker 1>but not everybody does, surprisingly, and that's why I wanted

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01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.439
<v Speaker 1>to show it, to make sure and educate people, but

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01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:08.479
<v Speaker 1>also because it's so stunning. It's such an amazing video

1282
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and we live in such weird times. So let me

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01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:16.319
<v Speaker 1>describe this for the listeners. What you see is someone

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01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:18.239
<v Speaker 1>on the side of the road. It looks like because

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01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.000
<v Speaker 1>there's some street lamps, and it looks like maybe they

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01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.159
<v Speaker 1>even pulled over to get this video, which is great.

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01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad they did that. Hopefully be safe if you

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01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.079
<v Speaker 1>do that and they're filming up above in the sky

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01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:33.159
<v Speaker 1>and you see multiple small dots of lights in a

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01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:37.760
<v Speaker 1>perfect row moving together, just a bunch of them, like

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01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.680
<v Speaker 1>probably fifty or sixty of them. These, of course are

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01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.039
<v Speaker 1>starlink satellites. Some of them are closer to each other

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01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 1>than others. But this kind of shows you what I've

1294
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:51.000
<v Speaker 1>talked about before, where when the starlink are launched, they

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01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:52.640
<v Speaker 1>can be really close to each other and kind of

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01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>look like one object. So you'll see this almost looks like,

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01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are objects in a long string, some

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01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.479
<v Speaker 1>are closer than us, and when in a couple of

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01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:04.840
<v Speaker 1>spots where they're really close, they almost look like one

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01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:08.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of longer object. When they're not, these are multiple

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01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:11.000
<v Speaker 1>objects in a row. But look at that. And this

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01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 1>is what a train, a starlink train, looks like. Now

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01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen this, A lot of people have. Of course,

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01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.479
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people submit these to Enigma, so I've

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01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.399
<v Speaker 1>got a few of them. But this is one of

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01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.359
<v Speaker 1>my favorites, and definitely one of the best we've gotten recently.

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01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:28.079
<v Speaker 1>But look how cool that is. Isn't that weird? But yeah,

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01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:30.439
<v Speaker 1>that is starlink and I just wanted to show that

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01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to the audience for those of you who haven't seen

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01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:37.039
<v Speaker 1>that before. For you listeners, you know, look out for this.

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01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.640
<v Speaker 1>It's something that is fairly common and a lot of

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01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.119
<v Speaker 1>people see these. I haven't yet, and I can't wait

1313
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.880
<v Speaker 1>for my first time to see a starlink train. This

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01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:48.800
<v Speaker 1>one is Enigma three one two three ZHO five. And

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01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.720
<v Speaker 1>remember I put the links to all of these in

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01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the show notes, so you can go look at these

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01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.720
<v Speaker 1>also if you get the app. Some of these are

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01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in that content feed and what we call the content

1319
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.439
<v Speaker 1>but it's the good videos in the first tab. We

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01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:07.680
<v Speaker 1>usually don't put much starlink in there unless they're really extraordinary.

1321
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:11.039
<v Speaker 1>But moving on. This one is a little bit more mysterious.

1322
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:12.840
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what this one is. So this

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01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 1>is small white dots moving quickly. This is in Rosendale, England,

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01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.880
<v Speaker 1>so this is in the United Kingdom. The explanation says,

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01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the short three second video you have to watch in

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01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:28.920
<v Speaker 1>slow motion. It's just a flicker on normal speed. Forty

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01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Speaker 1>to fifty drones were spotted. I don't see that many,

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01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.680
<v Speaker 1>all coming from the same direction, headed the same way.

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01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:37.880
<v Speaker 1>They moved from a heel around two miles away to

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01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the next town over in five to eight seconds, somewhere

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01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.680
<v Speaker 1>under one hundred meters high, some few hundred, maybe it's

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01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell. I have lots of videos filming for

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01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a while, so it's really interesting here. A couple things

1334
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.079
<v Speaker 1>about it is, first of all, what the witnesses described

1335
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 1>versus what's in the video, and I don't feel like

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01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:03.119
<v Speaker 1>the description fits very well. Still, this video is really interesting.

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01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:09.079
<v Speaker 1>We see essentially someone zooming in and out of these

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01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 1>three white objects that are moving together. They are obviously,

1339
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, it looks like at their house. It almost

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01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>looks like they're on a keel because they are at

1341
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:22.640
<v Speaker 1>level with like the second story of the houses down

1342
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the block. There's trees in the way, and you can

1343
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:30.760
<v Speaker 1>see rooftops as they are filming these lights. And this

1344
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 1>video is only thirty seven seconds, so it's pretty quick,

1345
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:38.000
<v Speaker 1>but it almost looks like a triangular object with three

1346
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.039
<v Speaker 1>lights at the end of it, kind of moving together. Now,

1347
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.199
<v Speaker 1>this is a daytime sighting. The other the last one

1348
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was was a nighttime siding, and this one's during the day.

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01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.159
<v Speaker 1>So you can see these three white objects, but you

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01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:56.000
<v Speaker 1>can't really see anything in between them. So you don't

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01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.520
<v Speaker 1>know that they're all together. In fact, I would imagine

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01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they're not because you don't see a song object between them.

1353
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You just see these three dots at first their kind

1354
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of level, and then as it moves, they're not. What's

1355
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:12.640
<v Speaker 1>weird about this is I don't think it's balloons because

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01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.880
<v Speaker 1>these lights seem to be self luminescent. They don't seem

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01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to be reflecting light. There are clouds in the background,

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01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.880
<v Speaker 1>so you can tell that these are under the clouds,

1359
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>although they disappear into the cloud so that gives you

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of an idea of the height. The clouds are

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01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.359
<v Speaker 1>very thick that they go into, and they don't seem

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01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:33.239
<v Speaker 1>to slow down at all when they do move into

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01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:37.119
<v Speaker 1>these clouds, so to me, they don't move like balloons. Now,

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01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.319
<v Speaker 1>the witness assumed they were droned, which is kind of

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01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a weird assumption to make. I think I don't know

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01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:48.479
<v Speaker 1>why they make that assumption. It could be three drones

1367
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.840
<v Speaker 1>flying together. It's a possibility, each with their own light.

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01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:55.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that, but this is a really

1369
01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:01.399
<v Speaker 1>interesting sighting. Now. I posted this one online and I

1370
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:04.079
<v Speaker 1>got some responses. I said, what do you guys think

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01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.560
<v Speaker 1>this is? One person said Chinese balloons has to be

1372
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and I understand why this user is saying that, because

1373
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:15.479
<v Speaker 1>you know they are self luminescent. But Chinese balloons are

1374
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:20.800
<v Speaker 1>usually orange because the lights that the skin of the

1375
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:23.640
<v Speaker 1>object is usually an orange color or red color, and

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01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:26.239
<v Speaker 1>then you've got a flickering light which is also kind

1377
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of a warm color that illuminates those lights, so usually

1378
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.479
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a warm color. These are seem very

1379
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.319
<v Speaker 1>very white, so I don't know that these are a

1380
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Chinese lantern. But yeah, really really interesting video. The movement

1381
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.960
<v Speaker 1>of the lights is just kind of strange. It does

1382
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of move like it's one object, but you can

1383
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:51.000
<v Speaker 1>see there's not an object in between them. It's clear daylight.

1384
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So really weird, really great video. I like this one.

1385
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't figure this one out, so I would love

1386
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:04.279
<v Speaker 1>your suggestions and let me know. This is Enigma three one, two, four,

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01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:08.079
<v Speaker 1>eight six. Again you can find a link to these

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01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.640
<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. But a really strange video from England.

1389
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what the heck that is. So those

1390
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:19.840
<v Speaker 1>are my Enigma videos for the week. Let me know

1391
01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.760
<v Speaker 1>what you think they are. And if you are on

1392
01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the Enigma app and you've got some cases that you've

1393
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:28.199
<v Speaker 1>looked at and you're like, what the heck is this,

1394
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and you would like some more feedback, feel free to

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01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.119
<v Speaker 1>share that in the comments and we will take a look.

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01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Before I end the show, there is an update. So

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<v Speaker 1>Jason and I filmed the interview portion of this show

1398
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:47.479
<v Speaker 1>yesterday and today there was a hearing in the House

1399
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Oversight Committee were dealing with UAP and information came out

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01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of it. Now, a lot of the people we just

1401
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about who we had, you know, we used a

1402
01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:02.560
<v Speaker 1>word irresponsible a bit, who were sharing information and videos

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01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.159
<v Speaker 1>before they had done some research, were in this panel,

1404
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately they're back to their same old antics. Loue

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01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Elizondo held up a picture. He said, was this huge

1406
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:19.920
<v Speaker 1>disc floating over the ground, and we'll take a look here.

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01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:27.039
<v Speaker 1>The group that had sponsored it, the UAP Disclosure Fund,

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01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.720
<v Speaker 1>they're obviously really excited. Oh my gosh, look at this

1409
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.399
<v Speaker 1>big disc. And you could see the picture there and

1410
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.439
<v Speaker 1>at first glance, it does look like a shadow. But

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01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I now that I know what it is,

1412
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't unsee it. And to me, it doesn't look

1413
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like a disc or a shadow at all. And those

1414
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.840
<v Speaker 1>of you in the southwest kind of can have an idea.

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01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a picture of Lou showing this picture. Of course,

1416
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the picture he shows is very, very very fuzzy, so

1417
01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 1>it looks more mysterious, but within an instant people were

1418
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:02.239
<v Speaker 1>very quickly able to figure out what it is. Here

1419
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:06.000
<v Speaker 1>is a picture that Stephen green Street posted that I

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01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:11.600
<v Speaker 1>think shows it more clearly. But they're irrigation circles. And

1421
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of research going on out

1422
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>there now, even people taking the photo and looking at

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01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:20.039
<v Speaker 1>it from a different angle, and you can very clearly

1424
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.640
<v Speaker 1>see that there is a road that is around this

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01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:27.960
<v Speaker 1>circle that is allegedly a shadow. Obviously not a shadow.

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01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.359
<v Speaker 1>They're irrigation circle. So once again they're trying to tell

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01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the public that look at this evidence of aliens. Look

1428
01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:43.880
<v Speaker 1>at my amazing photo here, and the photos quickly debunked.

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01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they couldn't have done just the

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01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:50.920
<v Speaker 1>smallest iota of research and looking on Google Maps, which

1431
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 1>is how people figured it out. Look on Google Maps

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01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of the area, and they would have noticed there are

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01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 1>dozens and dozens and dozens of these circles around. So

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01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:03.279
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, we'll talk more about all of this

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01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:07.079
<v Speaker 1>next time. However, you know, I just wanted to give

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01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you guys this update before we move on. It's just

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01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>gotten you know, I hate to use the term, but

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01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:17.479
<v Speaker 1>it's gotten silly. It really has, you know. I if

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01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:21.199
<v Speaker 1>these guys are taking this field seriously, I think that

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01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>they just need to be patient, do the research, and

1441
01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:28.279
<v Speaker 1>work with others. You know, all of this is best

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01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>when we work as a team and even get the

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01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.159
<v Speaker 1>debunkers in so you know what they're gonna say before

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<v Speaker 1>you post this stuff, or you can argue, and it's

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01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>fair just to say that, hey, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 1>this to some skeptics. They think it's this. I disagree

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01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>with them. I think it's that, And here's my argument.

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<v Speaker 1>And let your argument and your data speak for itself.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's strong enough, then you know you will win

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<v Speaker 1>the day, especially if you can get some other scientists

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01:23:56.199 --> 01:23:59.319
<v Speaker 1>and researchers on your side. But just to kind of

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01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:02.680
<v Speaker 1>put this stuff out there and then have it debunked

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01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:07.600
<v Speaker 1>just really undermines credibility. And again, think of what the

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<v Speaker 1>people who were like, Okay, I'm going to give these

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01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>guys a shot, and I'm going to hear what they

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, and then this happens, you know, it

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01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>underminds the credibility of the whole field, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people take it less seriously. So that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to say. And it's not like we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say we don't want to play a role. We

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<v Speaker 1>would love to help out. Jason and I have been

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01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.319
<v Speaker 1>doing this for a long time and we're always open

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01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to these guys and working with these guys and they

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01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:35.880
<v Speaker 1>know that. So, but to be honest, who are we

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have any credentials as far as being scientists,

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01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so you know, that's who they should probably employ to

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01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>do some of this work. But at the very least

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01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the credentials Jason and I do have is that we

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<v Speaker 1>did this full time for many, many many years. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for listening. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>to Denn of Geek who is sponsoring the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully some of you our new listeners from Den of

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<v Speaker 1>Geek if you are and you want to discuss more

1474
01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and you want to have more direct contact with me.

1475
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I do have a Patreon now it is you do

1476
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>have to pay it again onto my Patreon, but as

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<v Speaker 1>low as one dollar a month, which is the lowest

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<v Speaker 1>that I can put and the reason that I put

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<v Speaker 1>it that lowest. I just want serious people. I don't

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01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>want people trolls to come in and get all upset

1481
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>that you know, I am denying that aliens are here. Whatever.

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01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, we can save that kind of conversation for

1483
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>social media. I want to save space at his trophy

1484
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>where we can all kind of work and discuss together

1485
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>more constructively. So if you would like to come join

1486
01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:42.279
<v Speaker 1>my Patreon, I also put a lot more stuff on

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01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the other things that I'm into, such as travel. I'm

1488
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:50.039
<v Speaker 1>actually customizing a camper vand that I'm building right now,

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01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sharing information about that. So I'm sharing all

1490
01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.199
<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff on there, so you know, I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to have you in there to be able to

1492
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:02.199
<v Speaker 1>see the content there and then to discuss your interests

1493
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.439
<v Speaker 1>and our shared interests. So just a place for us

1494
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>to have some fun. Thank you all so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time, Audios move Chacho's