WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.240 The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out There, Oh 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:05.759 d you? All guests only show do not reflect the 3 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:09.480 opinions of the host. The purpose of the show is 4 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:12.320 to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds, and grow, not 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.119 what we want. If you are looking for an echo 6 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.160 chamber viewer and listener, discretion's ablaged. 7 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:23.640 Did you talk about extreme? 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.760 What is happening? And what is up? 9 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.120 Hold out your glass because we're about to feel it up. 10 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.600 Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown. 11 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:38.320 It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save, 12 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:44.439 and innumerable treasures to hoard. Porch is high, you know, 13 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.640 look at it from a different perspective. 14 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:58.200 Hello, and welcome to another show guys. Today, our special 15 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.119 guest is Doc Brown, the host of Prometheus Lens podcast 16 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.000 and the author of the incredible book Epic of Esau. 17 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.319 This is Doc's first time joining us here at Wake 18 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.159 Up with Mia, but I can already tell it's not 19 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.920 going to be his last. Before we jump in, Please 20 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.040 be sure to follow, subscribe, and hit that bell so 21 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:25.000 you never miss an episode. And guys, I really need 22 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:29.840 your help. 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Now on to today's guest, Doc Brown. 33 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.719 I can honestly say this was one of the most 34 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.639 fascinating and thought provoking conversations I've had in a while. 35 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.199 Doc is an incredible researcher and storyteller who brings scripture 36 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:34.719 to life in ways most people have never heard before. 37 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:39.240 His book, Epic of Esau digs deep into the mysteries 38 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:45.240 surrounding Esau's lineage, hybrid bloodlines, and how that story connects 39 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.280 to the world we are living in today. I had 40 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.599 such a great time talking with him. His passion, his insight, 41 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.639 and his depth of knowledge really came through and I 42 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.199 encourage you guys to get a copy of his book, 43 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.960 Epic of Esau and check out his podcast, Prometheus Lens. 44 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:13.039 Now let's bring Doc Brown into this conversation. Enjoy the show. Loha, Justin, 45 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.120 and welcome to the show. I'm really glad that you're here. Now. 46 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.520 I've heard you so many times on your podcast and 47 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.479 I'm really happy that you're here joining us today. And 48 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.439 i'd love to talk about your new book, Epic of Esau. 49 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:33.039 I mean, it's fascinating, thought provoking and opens up part 50 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.919 of biblical history that most people never look at. So 51 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:42.639 before we dive into these deeper layers, maybe you can 52 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:46.000 tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, your podcast, 53 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.479 the Prometheus Lens that I love, and what led you 54 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.159 down this path that inspired Epic of Esau. 55 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:59.479 Now, I appreciate you having me, but yeah, I'm just 56 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.599 Justin Brow. I kind of got the nickname Doc. I 57 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.159 tell people all the time it's I'm a Southern man. 58 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:10.400 If you couldn't tell, but we have. We're infamous for oxymorons. 59 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.479 We're that type of crowd that will take a seven 60 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.040 foot tall guy I name him Tiny. So I think 61 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.399 that's kind of how I got my name is. You know, 62 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.920 when I speak to hear the banjo's play, So when 63 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.000 you actually listen to what I say, it kind of 64 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.160 blows people's minds. I guess they don't expect what I 65 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.639 talk about to come out of a voice like this 66 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.839 as a Southern man, so I got that nickname. But 67 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.199 I'm just a nine to five knuckle dragger. I've been 68 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:40.720 a factory rat. My whole life was a wild, crazy 69 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.680 kid in and out of jail, and the baddest of 70 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.519 the bad man. It was never an intellectual. I never 71 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.879 liked to read, but I always loved history. I always 72 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.160 loved sitting down and listening to my old man talk 73 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.600 about the good old days and stories and history and 74 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.560 my grandpa. That was about the only subject in school 75 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.839 that I paid it attention to. But when I was younger, 76 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.480 I loved the Bible. I thought that stuff was fascinating 77 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.160 because I was like, if you're going to be an 78 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.319 expert at anything, why would it not be the word 79 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.160 of God. So I was that kid in Sunday school, 80 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.959 always asking questions and probably getting on the teacher's nerves. 81 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.759 So those are two subjects that I was always fascinated with. 82 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.279 But it was just I don't know, a switch. It 83 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.279 was around twenty twelve I got exposed to Tray Smith 84 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.800 from God in a Nutshell and he's kind of the 85 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.800 guy that red peeled me, as they say in these circles. 86 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.600 But he was talking about a bunch of stuff, man, 87 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.199 that I just didn't think was in the Bible. He 88 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.199 was talking about angels coming down, breathing with the men, 89 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.680 and the daughters of men and having Nephelom giants and 90 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:49.399 possible UFOs spacecrafts in the Bible and just vampires and 91 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:51.879 Harry Wildman all this stuff, and I'm like, man, this 92 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.959 guy is crazy. He's just making up stuff for clicks 93 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.480 that ain't in there. So I started breaking over my 94 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.560 Bible again looking through all the stuff, and yeah, man, 95 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.639 all that stuff was there. And I'm like, I need 96 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.600 to go back and relook at this thing that I 97 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.759 thought I knew so well. And it kind of just 98 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.279 got me on this path. And long story short, just 99 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.920 some conversation with some friends ended up them saying, hey, man, 100 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.560 we're talking about a lot of pretty profound stuff here. 101 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:22.319 You should be doing a podcast. And lo and behold 102 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:26.120 here I am today. And even with the book, I 103 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.000 never ever thought that I would be somebody that wrote 104 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.519 a book. You know, I let alone read one, so 105 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.879 writing one was definitely not in my thought process. But 106 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.639 here we are, but joking around with some friends once again. 107 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.240 We were talking about bigfoot. We had actually Trey Smith 108 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.600 on the show, and we were having a conversation Tray 109 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.680 by the way, awesome guy. We're good friends. We got 110 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.800 each other's falling number, We text and stuff all the time. 111 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.240 He's a really good dude. But we were talking one 112 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.879 day and he said, Hell, you guys are from Tennessee. 113 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.759 That's bigfoot country. Next time i'm that way, we'll go 114 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.399 on a big foot hunt. What do you say, Well, 115 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.120 we might even film it. And I said, yeah, man, 116 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.600 come on down. And Genesis twenty five twenty five just 117 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.319 popped into my head out of nowhere. And for those 118 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.759 that's not familiar with that, I mean that is the 119 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.360 birth of Esau. And it says that the first one 120 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.720 came out red, covered in hair from head to toe 121 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.199 like a Harry Cloak. And I was like, oh my god, 122 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.480 that sounds pretty squatchy to me, man. And so I 123 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.519 asked Trey. I was like, hey, what do you think 124 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.439 about Esau? And he was confused, you know, because it 125 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.079 was it was out of nowhere, and he was like, well, 126 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.160 what do you mean. I'm like, you know, it says 127 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.759 he was red covered in hair. I said, do you 128 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.000 think he might have been maybe the first recorded Sasquatch 129 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.480 And he kind of laughed and he's like, I don't know, man. 130 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.439 He said he was a Harry dude, that's for sure. 131 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.639 And just one thing led to another. I mean, some 132 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.560 people call it synchronicities, some people caught the Holy spirit. 133 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.480 But a few weeks letter had Gary Wayne on the show. 134 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.399 We was doing the Epic of Gilgamesh and we bumped 135 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:10.040 into this other Harry Sasquatch sounding guy named Inky Doo. 136 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:09.759 Uh. 137 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.560 Maybe a week or two later, I was reading through 138 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:17.240 the Book of Jashure and once again we find Nimrod 139 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.759 battling uh Esau, this Harry man to the death. And 140 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.839 I just kept finding all these Harry Men, you know, 141 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.600 through ancient history and scriptures, and I was like, man, 142 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:29.279 I have to see where this goes. 143 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.680 And it just led to the writing of the Epic 144 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:32.200 of Esau. 145 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:38.159 That is crazy. Does Gary Wayne think that Esau is 146 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.679 also maybe a sasquash? A big thing? 147 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.039 Uh? No. 148 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:48.480 The I love Gary, but Gary is uh. He's really 149 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:53.440 strict with his stuff. It's like he leaves no room 150 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.559 for speculation. If this, if the text doesn't say it, 151 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.279 he's not going to go with it, you know. And 152 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.039 I respect him for that. But I'm the type of 153 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.480 person that and I get some people ruffled when I 154 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.039 say this, but I'm just being honest. 155 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:08.240 It's like, I'm a Christian. 156 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.960 I believe the Bible is the divine inspired word of God. 157 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.320 But at the same time, I'm a realist. Do I 158 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.399 think that the Bible has everything we need to know 159 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.279 as far as history and all the stories these people 160 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.559 know because the book would not be readable. You could 161 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.519 read a chapter a day for the rest of your 162 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:29.399 life and still not get through it. So everything is 163 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.240 not in there, but the foundational stuff is there. The 164 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:36.759 main talking points in the overall view is there. So 165 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.440 a lot of people are afraid to kind of go 166 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:43.279 into the extra biblical books and some of these mythologies 167 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.480 and different things like that. I'm not if it goes 168 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.799 along with the Bible and doesn't contradict it and fills 169 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:54.519 in gaps and gives more context to the story. What 170 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.720 I love to dive into because when I have done this, 171 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.720 you know, this book was a two year session, and 172 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:04.519 I read all of Lewis Ginsburg's Legends of the Jews. 173 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:09.080 I read all the extra biblical books and apocrypha, the Midrashes, 174 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.519 the writings of Rashi and some of these rabbis of 175 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.000 ancient times, and it kind of put me in the 176 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.960 mindset of the ancient people, because I tell people, they 177 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.799 weren't thinking of us thousands of years ago. They were 178 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.080 thinking about the people of the time because they were 179 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.879 of that time. They were writing to people of that time. 180 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.759 And I tell them that's why Genesis sixth you just 181 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.799 have this little blurb and us today is like, man, 182 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.200 it's a pretty big deal. I want some more context 183 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.639 on that. Well, back then they were like, We're not 184 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.320 going to be the dead horse. We have the Book 185 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:47.559 of Enoch. Everybody knows about the giants and the fallen 186 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:49.559 angels coming down and breeding with the women. 187 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.600 That's going to be redundant. I'm not going to tell 188 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:53.039 that story. 189 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.440 It's already been told and everybody already knows. 190 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:56.120 Well. 191 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.759 Us today were like, no, we don't know. So I 192 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:03.399 think reading all those things and being familiar with the 193 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.879 culture and the mythologies that the people at that time 194 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.320 are very important because it fills in the gaps of 195 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:11.440 a lot of these stories. 196 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:17.440 Yeah, in your book you explore Esau's bloodline in a 197 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.759 way that most people have never even considered. Can you 198 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:21.879 talk a little bit about that. 199 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.279 Yeah, And now, honestly, that was Gary Wayne's work was 200 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.759 a huge aid into me finding this stuff out. It's 201 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.320 just where Gary stopped at certain points. I just kept going, 202 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.320 you know, and I tell people I lay out my 203 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.919 references in the book and what scripture says and what 204 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.519 this book says that I found, and then I'll tell you, hey, well, 205 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.679 if you take this, this and this and put together, 206 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.080 it leads me to believe X y Z. And so 207 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.159 I go into speculation, but I try to let you 208 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.120 know when I do, and show you the pieces that 209 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.080 I found to get me there. But with Gary, when 210 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:02.120 I read his book The Genesis six Theory, he was 211 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:06.279 talking about Esau and how he kind of focused in 212 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:11.759 on that he married into Nephlum giant clans. And so 213 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.679 when I seen that, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 214 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.399 he just kind of touched on that little caveat I 215 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.679 was like, I want to dive really dive into that, 216 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.080 and when I did, it was really telling. So not 217 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.919 only do you have this Harry quote unquote man being 218 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.159 born named Esau, he marries three wives and two of 219 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:39.720 those three are known Nephlum giant clans. So and then 220 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:44.559 it menches his father in law named Sierra, and that 221 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.240 he reigned. He was a chieftain, a war chieftain who 222 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.279 reigned from the land of Mount Sierra. And when you 223 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.240 go into the etymology of that word, that word means 224 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:59.039 harry means rough rugged harry. 225 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.519 Like like a oats fur. 226 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.600 So I was like, here, we have this Harry quote 227 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:09.279 unquote man named Esau and he's marrying into Nephilim giant 228 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.879 clans who's known their name. You know, they're known to 229 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:19.320 be rough, rugged harry giants. They're Faral giants basically, and 230 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.720 they start getting together and they breed together. I think 231 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.960 that has a really high likelihood of throwing some really 232 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.440 strange pups, you know, to say the least. And when 233 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.360 you dive on through the genealogies, you find out that 234 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:40.159 through this inner marriage and this breeding, a Malik is 235 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:46.080 born who burst the Amalekite race, you know, kind of 236 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.320 seared after his name. And once again, when you go 237 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.279 into the etymology of that word, that means the blood liquors. 238 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.039 So it's kind of got this vamporistic feel to it. 239 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.200 So here they are there if they're rugged, they're hairy, 240 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:06.519 they're giants, and they are blood liquors. They drink the blood. 241 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.000 Once again, going back to the stories and everything about 242 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.720 these guys being cannibals, and you got the whole vamporistic thing. 243 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.399 And then when I found that some of the stuff 244 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.679 that happens in the Exodus made a whole lot more 245 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.240 sense to me because when you get into the Book 246 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.960 of Exodus, this is when Moses leads the people out 247 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.840 of Egypt and they have their wilderness wanderings. Well, in 248 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.440 those books, you know a lot of people skip over 249 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.399 them because you know, it's boring, it's genealogies, and it's 250 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.799 a lot of laws. You know, don't do this, don't 251 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.799 do that, or this one. But got that lived one 252 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.960 hundred and twenty years and went to be with their ancestors. 253 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.159 You know, so a lot of us, you know, we 254 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.360 skip over that stuff. I'm guilty of it myself. But 255 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.559 when you actually don't go through there like Gary, did 256 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.080 you do you find some really interesting stuff. And one 257 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.639 of the things that I found interesting was through this 258 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:04.200 Amalekite race, we find that this is the tribe that 259 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:10.320 encounters God's people first in their wilderness wanderings. It says 260 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:13.399 that basically they had like this militia style warfare, that 261 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.360 they were picking them off from behind and hiding and 262 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.399 jumping out, you know, just kind of being thorns in 263 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.759 their side, messing with them. And when you get into 264 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.159 Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, it says that these 265 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.200 Allects were known to be like basically Viking berserkers. They 266 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:34.039 were known for their ferocity and their skills in battle, 267 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.960 and it said that even when they would kill, you know, 268 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.200 the Jews and pick them off in the wilderness, that 269 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.440 they would even cut off the men's foulus and then 270 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.960 throw it into the air and taunting their God and 271 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.399 their people saying, you know, because the circumcision was one 272 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.000 of their things for devotions, so they would do that 273 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:58.480 and say, you know, give their God what he desires. 274 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:04.120 So these were real ruthless, cutthroat people, and it takes 275 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.480 supernatural intervention for them to defeat this group because they 276 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.240 end up finally going to war. And this is that 277 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.240 famous story where Moses has to stand on the mountaintop 278 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.000 over the valley and hold up the rod of Wonder, 279 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.440 the supernatural rod that was gifted to him that turned 280 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.639 into a snake and ate pharaoh snakes. That only when 281 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.960 he held this rod up in the air was his 282 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.879 people able to overcome them Alakites, and that when he 283 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.159 would tire and lower the staff, they would start losing 284 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:40.000 the battle. So it took supernatural aid from God to 285 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.759 be able to defeat these clans of warrior giants, these 286 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:49.679 sparal giants. And those laws that I mentioned, you don't 287 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:53.000 get a rule a law of regulation unlest someone is 288 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.200 breaking those said rules, laws or regulations. So I think 289 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.200 it's pretty telling because we know from scripture this was 290 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.879 the first people group that they encountered, and then all 291 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:06.440 of a sudden, you start getting all these rules and laws. 292 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.400 Well why is that? 293 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.119 Because they were seeing this practiced by these Amalekites and 294 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.559 were starting to imitate it, and God had to step 295 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.680 in and say, no, you can't be doing this because 296 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.440 it says you shall not drink the blood the life 297 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.920 forces in the blood. Well, their name means blood liquors, folks. 298 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:31.279 It says you won't practice necromancy or seek sorcerers. A 299 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:34.279 lot of the writings, including Rashi, talked about they were 300 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:39.480 known sorcerers and shape shifters, and that's why God said, 301 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.079 especially with the Amalekites, he said kill every man, woman, 302 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:47.880 and child and animal. That's the only tribe that he commanded, 303 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.640 even the animals be killed because the legends were that 304 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.000 they were sorcerers and they were known shape shifters. They 305 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:59.319 would shape shift into animals to evade capture. And then 306 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.640 they also said, no longer will you pass your children 307 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:05.119 to the fires of Molek. We know they were passing 308 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:09.720 children through the fire and worshiping Molec. So in the 309 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.000 Book of Isaiah talks about you have to go to 310 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.599 the septuagen for this translation, but it talks about in 311 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:21.400 there that the wild men the satyrs will dance in 312 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.359 the desolate cities and in the wilderness. So I think 313 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:31.759 these are all descriptors and signs pointing to what this 314 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.279 race of people was like in their practices. 315 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:41.160 Well, they seem very barbaric. Are those stories found in 316 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.880 the Bible or are these found maybe in Enoch or 317 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.640 another Bible stories. 318 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.279 Yeah, the main the story that you get in the 319 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:54.200 Bible is just that they bumped into the Melkites first, 320 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.200 and that they were you know, tormenting them and basically 321 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:00.480 just being thorns in their side attack and I'm doing 322 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.119 little things. So it finally led to a battle, and 323 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.920 that's where you get the Rod of Moses story. But 324 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.440 all the other stuff that I filled in was just 325 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.799 from like lewis Kinsburg legends of the Jews. When you 326 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.319 get into the targums, a lot of these rabbis they 327 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:22.759 do translations of the targums. They're basically like synopsis stories 328 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.960 of the books in the Bible from the Jewish Hebrew perspective, 329 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:31.279 so they kind of summarize the books and add little 330 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.799 caveats to it and stuff. 331 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.160 So that's where I get all that stuff. 332 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:39.759 And far as the uh the rules and the laws 333 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:43.559 and all those things, it's just was me speculating putting 334 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.680 two and two together, because when all these laws were 335 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.440 coming out, that's when they were in the wilderness wanderings, 336 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.200 and we know from the scripture that that's when they 337 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:53.799 were encountering these people. 338 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.720 Well, I think I heard you talk on another podcast 339 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:03.279 about the pigs and how we can't. Yeah, that was 340 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.880 the only animal that we weren't able to consume, or 341 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.519 I guess one of them. We needed to blood let 342 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.519 most of the animals or all the animals, right, we 343 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.880 got it cut that, and so they can drain the blood. 344 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:23.119 But the pigs that I'm not sure. I think I 345 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.480 do remember talking to somebody and they had mentioned the 346 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:30.359 pigs and how that they had thought that basically it 347 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.480 was like a nephylemic, Yeah, hybrid, and that's maybe why 348 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.720 when Jesus cast out the demons out of the moniac 349 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.720 they went into the pigs. But I can't remember who 350 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.240 that was, but I think I do remember a conversation 351 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:45.200 with somebody and they bringing that up. 352 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:46.640 I've never thought of. 353 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:52.680 That me neither me neither. Can you explain how the descendants, 354 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.200 I guess, ties into the larger story of the Nephilins 355 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:01.160 or the hybrid bloodline through Esau. Do you believe that's 356 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.000 part of it? 357 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:03.599 Yeah? 358 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.240 I think it's like a twofold type thing because he 359 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:12.720 marries into the Nephlin giants and interbreeds with him, So 360 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.920 then you have this intermingling of the Genesis six bloodline 361 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.680 with Esau and I think that's you know, if we 362 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:27.920 take the description of Esau and these Malakite race giants, 363 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.359 these Faral giants, I mean, in our modern vernacular, I 364 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.720 believe that's what we would call a bigfoot today. I mean, 365 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.240 if we said we saw something that was seven eight 366 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.400 foot tall, broad shouldered, covered in hair from head to 367 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.559 toe out in the woods, I mean all of us 368 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:44.519 would say, man, I seen a bigfoot or I seeing 369 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.240 a sasquatch. And that's kind of what the description is 370 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.000 of these people. And I think that's why you have 371 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:54.640 so many legends and lore throughout the world. It doesn't 372 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.319 matter where you go. You go into Europe, they have 373 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.119 the stories of Trampis, you go into the eye on 374 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:05.720 the Sardinia on the what is that the winter solstice. Now, 375 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.240 this tradition they do is so arcane. They can't even 376 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.640 remember why they do it or when it started. They're 377 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.279 just like, ah, we've done this as long as we 378 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:15.839 can remember, so we just keep doing it. We think 379 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.400 it's to chase off evil spirits. So a good harvest 380 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.079 comes in the winter goes away. But they don't know. 381 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.920 But what happens is during this time, all the men 382 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.480 take black goats fur and cover themselves and from head 383 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.839 to toe, and they take a black or wooden mask 384 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.359 and carve it and put on their face. Then they 385 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.720 strap hundreds of copper bells on their backs. And what happens, 386 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:45.200 just like the Book of Isaiah. They dance through the streets, 387 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:50.119 ringing the bells, and they chase and abduct women. And 388 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:54.079 of course you know modern age been pg you know, modified, 389 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.480 but I'm sure you know. I mean, they had their 390 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.960 way with them in those types. And during this festival, 391 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:04.319 the children that are coming of age, to show their 392 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.200 bravery or like a ride of passage, they light a 393 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:12.920 huge bonfire and the children have to go and pass 394 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.119 through the fire, just like you know, they passed the 395 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.359 children through the fire and molech worship. So I think 396 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.039 we see a lot of characteristics and signs pointing to 397 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.400 that this was that group of people and when they 398 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.960 were migrating north. And I take the viewpoint of la 399 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:35.759 Marzouli and Fritz Zimmerman that when Joshua and Caleb and 400 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.759 the boys were pushing out, pushing them out of the 401 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:40.960