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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Samantha Fay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dead Bowen, and today we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about phone calls from the dead, well, and since we're

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<v Speaker 1>into the twenty first century, emails and texts from the

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<v Speaker 1>dead as well. Now, a lot of people might think

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<v Speaker 1>this is impossible, but deb you've had your own experience

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<v Speaker 1>with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly have, Samantha, and it was such a gift,

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<v Speaker 2>so let me tell people about it. When my mom

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<v Speaker 2>got very sick, she made the decision to move into

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<v Speaker 2>a nursing home. My sister and I tried to talk

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. We said, we take care of her.

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<v Speaker 2>She said no, So into a nursing home she went.

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<v Speaker 2>And the two and a half years that she lived

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<v Speaker 2>in that nursing home were absolutely wonderful. She came, she blossomed,

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<v Speaker 2>she became president of the Residence Council. She was well loved.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a beautiful experience in a lovely, lovely facility.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had this habit. I had this ritual where

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<v Speaker 2>every night at six o'clock I called her. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if I had just left at five point thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>if i'd been out there in the afternoon, or if

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<v Speaker 2>I was coming back later in the evening, I called

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<v Speaker 2>her at six o'clock and she answered and we chatted

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<v Speaker 2>for a few minutes. I did that regardless of where

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the country or the world. I called

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<v Speaker 2>my mama at six o'clock, and as she got sicker

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<v Speaker 2>and sicker, I continued that habit until towards the end,

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<v Speaker 2>until the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, let me tell this little side story. Mama

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<v Speaker 2>had a bird. The nursing home in which she lived

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<v Speaker 2>had was part of an Eden project, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful animals there for the residents. And Mama had a

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<v Speaker 2>cockatil in her room who she named Nicki, and she

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<v Speaker 2>would talk to Nicki, and she taught Niki to talk,

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<v Speaker 2>and she taught Niki to whistle and to sort of sing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember a night where she told me to

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<v Speaker 2>hang on a minute and she I heard her talking,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought she was talking to a nurse or

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<v Speaker 2>someone who would come into a room. And I said, Mom,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you talking to? She said Nicki. I said, Mama,

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<v Speaker 2>you can talk to the bird after we hang up,

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<v Speaker 2>and we laughed and off we went. So anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>we had this lovely conversation every night at six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my mom died. She died on a Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night at about quarter to seven, and I was with

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<v Speaker 2>her that night at six o'clock. And then her funeral

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<v Speaker 2>was on Monday. And it was a long weekend of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff going on to honor my mom

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<v Speaker 2>and to deal with all the things that one has

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<v Speaker 2>to do to get ready for a funeral. And her

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<v Speaker 2>funeral was mid afternoon, and I came home and there

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<v Speaker 2>were more than three hundred people in my house off

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<v Speaker 2>and on during that afternoon. Such an outpouring of love.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just wonderful. And towards late afternoon and early evening,

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<v Speaker 2>folks began to go away and to dwindle, as she

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine they would, and the phone rank, and I

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<v Speaker 2>looked up at the clock and it was six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up on the phone and I said hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no one there. I said hello, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was no one there, and I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wrong number. And this was in the days where you

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<v Speaker 2>had landlines hanging on a wall. Right. We had just

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<v Speaker 2>reached a point, I think, in that point of time

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<v Speaker 2>when we had telephones that were not courted. I forget

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<v Speaker 2>what you call this, but not corded phones, and you

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<v Speaker 2>could see caller ID cordless that's the word I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, And there was a caller ID on the

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<v Speaker 2>little tiny screen on the receiver and it just said

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<v Speaker 2>unknown number, I think is what it said. So I

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<v Speaker 2>put the phone back up, and you know, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of still in shock and readling from having just had

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<v Speaker 2>my mom's funeral, so I didn't think too much of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The next night, at six o'clock, I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>house and by myself, and the phone rang and I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the clock and I thought, oh, I know

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<v Speaker 2>what this is. So I answered the phone and again

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<v Speaker 2>it said no caller idea or a no number or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it said. And I said hello, and I said, Mama,

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<v Speaker 2>I am so happy to hear from you. Please keep

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<v Speaker 2>calling me. It makes me feel so good to know

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<v Speaker 2>that we can still stay in communication. And it was silent,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a I don't know how else to

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<v Speaker 2>describe this other than to say it was a hollow silence.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very aware that there was somebody at the

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<v Speaker 2>other end of that phone, and I thanked her profusely

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<v Speaker 2>and told her. I hoped the week. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>taught her right a while about I hope she enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>the funeral, and hope that she was happy with the

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<v Speaker 2>all Thist song we picked because that was important to

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<v Speaker 2>her and all the things that happened her lovely service.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she never called again. But I think she

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<v Speaker 2>and I both needed that one more time to say

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, to talk about just whatever had happened

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<v Speaker 2>during the course of the day, and in this case

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<v Speaker 2>it was, you know, the celebration of her life and

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<v Speaker 2>the time of that. And she never called me again,

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<v Speaker 2>but that those two calls really solidified for me as

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<v Speaker 2>if I needed it, but I was happy to have it,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that there is this continuity of life and

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<v Speaker 2>this continuation of how we can stay in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones on the other side using today all this

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<v Speaker 2>electronic stuff. So I'll turn it over to you, Samantha.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that story, and I love that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hang up, because that's something you'll see in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the stories we've gathered for today's show, is the

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<v Speaker 1>phone will ring and no one's there, but the phone

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<v Speaker 1>also doesn't disconnect. It's as though someone's there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting. And I like that she didn't call

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<v Speaker 1>back after she knew you got it, she knew you

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she did.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she probably had a lot to do.

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<v Speaker 2>She was probably busy. That's efritable, you know. And other

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<v Speaker 2>and psychics I've seen and talked to, including you, since

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<v Speaker 2>she died, have told me that she was very busy

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side, and I believe that to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, for sure. She was a social butterfly.

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<v Speaker 2>She was, indeed so.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent years, this phenomenon of posthumous communication has intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>everyone from the curious to the skeptical, even Thomas Edison.

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<v Speaker 1>He was speculating before his death to reporters about the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of building a machine so sensitive that it could

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with the dead. Both Edison and Alexander Graham Bell,

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<v Speaker 1>who invented the telephone, experimented with telepathy by winding wires

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<v Speaker 1>around people's heads. It didn't work, but in nineteen forty one, however,

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<v Speaker 1>an alleged blueprint of Edison's machine his idea for this

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<v Speaker 1>phone call to the dead, supposedly surfaced in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and the apparatus consisted of an aluminum speaking trumpet connected

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<v Speaker 1>to an aerial wire which dangled down into the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the trumpet, which, along with the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>aluminum cone, formed the opposite poles of a battery, and

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<v Speaker 1>then potassium permanniganet. I have no idea how to pronounce that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how to pronounce that?

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard that word before.

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<v Speaker 1>I know well, potassium blah blah blah, attached to the

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<v Speaker 1>wire in the trumpet served as an electrolyte between it

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<v Speaker 1>and the cone, and the machine allegedly amplified any ether

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<v Speaker 1>waves generated inside the trumpet and directed against the aerial

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's impossible to say whether these blueprints were actually

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<v Speaker 1>Edison's own design or just a hoax. Most people think

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<v Speaker 1>they were frauds. Some of Edison's former associates built in

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<v Speaker 1>operating model of the machine based on these blueprints, but

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work. So even if we can't scientifically invent

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<v Speaker 1>a heavenly phone apparatus to call our deceased loved ones,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many, many stories, including deths of the dead

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<v Speaker 1>calling us. Paranormal researcher and writer Brad Steiger says phone

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<v Speaker 1>calls from the dead have been recognized for decades by

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<v Speaker 1>the paranormal community, and there are many audio tape recordings

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<v Speaker 1>containing the voices of deceased persons. It's simply a fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the dead want to communicate with the living, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has a whole book on this called Touched by

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<v Speaker 1>Heaven's Light, where he recounts several stories of electronic spirit communications.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, if you believe, as I do, that the

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<v Speaker 1>dead often have unfinished business on Earth, then you can

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<v Speaker 1>understand that emails and phone calls are just another route

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<v Speaker 1>to the living, especially to loved ones, relatives, and other

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<v Speaker 1>significant individuals. One story he tells is of a graduate

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<v Speaker 1>student in biology who received not a phone call, but

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<v Speaker 1>an email from a favorite professor who'd recently passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, the student have been laboring on a complex

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<v Speaker 1>experiment under the guidance of this professor, but he'd become

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<v Speaker 1>unsure of his ability to complete the work alone. He

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<v Speaker 1>was ready to throw in the towel and give up

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<v Speaker 1>his grant when a subjectless email appeared on his home computer.

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<v Speaker 1>It contained a message from the professor assuring him that

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the right course. With knowledge of the

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<v Speaker 1>grad student's work that could only have come from his

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<v Speaker 1>kindly mentor. An interesting twist. Although the grad student reported

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<v Speaker 1>the message to a paranormal researcher, he never quite believed

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<v Speaker 1>his own experience and always looked for a scientific explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>He had no prior interest in the paranormal nor a

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<v Speaker 1>belief in the afterlife, which makes his claim all the

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<v Speaker 1>more intriguing. There's another book about phone calls from deceased

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<v Speaker 1>people by doctor Scott Rogo called Phone Calls from the Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes about a physician who experienced an after death

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<v Speaker 1>communication with his mother. Do you want to tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Sure, because you know, one of the things that's

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating to me in the story you've just told and

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<v Speaker 2>in this one, is that these are science people. These

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<v Speaker 2>are not paranormal people who seek that kind of information.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, of course, very hopeful that my mother would

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<v Speaker 2>be in touch with me, but these are different. And

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it kind of goes against a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>things you and I say, because we always say, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're open to this, you'll experience this phenomenon. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're closed off to it, it's harder for them to

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<v Speaker 1>get through to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but not always true, that's right, and so let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell this story. So doctor Scott Rogo tells his story,

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<v Speaker 2>as Samantha has said in his book, Phone Calls from

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<v Speaker 2>the Dead, and he describes doctor I love this, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Medved's is that really his name? After his mother's funeral,

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<v Speaker 2>he returned to his home in Los Angeles, tired and grieving.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to bed early, but was awakened by an

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<v Speaker 2>early morning phone call. And here's what he told doctor Rogo.

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<v Speaker 2>It was exactly six thirty when I said hello. The

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<v Speaker 2>voice on the phone said Johnny. It was a little

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<v Speaker 2>odd sounding, and I thought it was one of my sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounded a little dismayed, as if she was calling

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<v Speaker 2>to report a problem. I said, what's the matter, and

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<v Speaker 2>the voice said again, Johnny. I again said, what's the matter?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is this? I don't know whether the voice said

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny again, but then I began to get rather excited.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing the voice said was is that you

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Dear? By this time, I didn't know if someone

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<v Speaker 2>my voice got really high. What's the matter? I said,

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<v Speaker 2>who is this? I kept repeating this until the voice said,

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<v Speaker 2>your mother, Doctor med I explained that the voice exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the voice trailed off into a whisper. Doctor Medved kept talking,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was no use. The phone line remained open.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, it didn't go dead, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>after fading out, the phantom voice just ceased talking. Neither

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<v Speaker 2>though someone had hung up on him. Finally, when the

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<v Speaker 2>hung up. Okay, so he did basically what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kept listening to what felt like almost a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing there, right, you know? He did exactly the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing I did. My mother didn't speak at all, She

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<v Speaker 2>A few nights later, my father was a biblical literalist.

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<v Speaker 2>He and you know, when I had these conversations before Samantha,

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<v Speaker 2>my father believed that when he died, he was going

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<v Speaker 2>and he was going to be walking down streets paved

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<v Speaker 2>of what heaven was going to be. And he never

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<v Speaker 2>wavered from that belief, and not long and he died

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<v Speaker 2>two years before Mama. And not long before Mama died,

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<v Speaker 2>she said to me, you know, your daddy was really

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<v Speaker 2>that worried me, and we never talked about it again.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't willing to go there again. But I worried

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<v Speaker 2>about that because I wanted her to have some comfort

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<v Speaker 2>and assuredness in her beliefs. So a few nights later,

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<v Speaker 2>after her funeral, and after that those two phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>she came and sat down on the bed next to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Woke me up in the night. What woke me up

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<v Speaker 2>was I could feel the weight of a body pushing

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<v Speaker 2>the mattress down. And my mother had these beautiful, beautiful hands,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can still feel her lovely fingers running through

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<v Speaker 2>my hair, pushing my hair kind of back from my

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<v Speaker 2>faces as you would a child, waking them up. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said to me, honey, you got to stop worrying

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<v Speaker 2>about me. I'm okay, and then she faded away. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of probably one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>comforting things that it ever had happened to me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a wonderful gift. So I certainly understand this doctor's

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<v Speaker 2>connection and wanting so hard to try to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened on that telephone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to be comfortable telling that story as a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so. Doctor Rogo tells another story about a young

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<v Speaker 2>man named Carl, who was only eighteen years old when

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<v Speaker 2>favorite grandchild and they had been very close, in a

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<v Speaker 2>close bond between them, and during the last years of

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<v Speaker 2>her life, this elderly woman had grown deaf and would

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<v Speaker 2>often call Carl when she needed his assistance. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a typical teenager with plenty of errands to run and

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<v Speaker 2>friends to visit, so his grandmama had to get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with him urgently, and she would often call his

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<v Speaker 2>friends home while trying to track him down. No matter

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<v Speaker 2>who answered the phone, she would invariably ask is Carl there?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell him to come home now. Only two days after

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<v Speaker 2>his grandmother's death, Carl decided to visit his friend Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>The visit was just a social one and had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with his grandmother's recent death. In fact, Peter

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<v Speaker 2>and his family didn't even know that Carl's grandmother had died,

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<v Speaker 2>so as they were talking together in a downstairs room,

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<v Speaker 2>the phone rank. Peter's mom answered the phone and said

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<v Speaker 2>it was Carl's grandmother asking to speak to him. Missus

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<v Speaker 2>d'assio said to doctor Rogo, she said, this is Carl's grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I hollered down to Carl, my son said

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<v Speaker 2>he turned all callers. I bet he did. According to

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<v Speaker 2>Missus diasilo, the voice delivered the same message she often

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<v Speaker 2>delivered when alive. She requested that Carl come home. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>when Carl told her that his grandmother had recently died,

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<v Speaker 2>Missus desco thought the call was a prank. Carl himself

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<v Speaker 2>got on the line, but by this time, though the

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<v Speaker 2>phone line remained open, the voice had stopped speaking. But

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<v Speaker 2>this was not the end of the attempt. At communication.

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<v Speaker 2>Later that night, Carl answered several phone calls back at

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<v Speaker 2>his own home, and each time there was no one

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<v Speaker 2>on the other end of the line. Peter had gone

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<v Speaker 2>home with Carl that evening and also witnessed those calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Grandma was determined to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, Yes, she was, or determined to, you know, let

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<v Speaker 1>him know she had made it, you know, and was okay, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm wondering. If a lot of these are about,

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<v Speaker 1>here's another one that's kind of sad, So get your

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<v Speaker 1>tissues out. This was reported by Mary Kahele, who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the story into Fate magazine in nineteen fifty three. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>as I relaxed in my easy chair one evening in

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<v Speaker 1>May nineteen forty three, listening to my favorite radio program,

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<v Speaker 1>the phone rang insistently. The operator told me it was

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<v Speaker 1>a long distance call and put it through. In a

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<v Speaker 1>confusion of sound, I heard what seemed to be several

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<v Speaker 1>persons talking all at once. Then I nearly fainted as

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<v Speaker 1>I heard the breathless voice of my little girl, Peggy,

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<v Speaker 1>who had died when she was twelve. Hello Mom? How

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Can you hear me? Hello Mom? The whirling

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<v Speaker 1>as of many winds and the mumbling of voices continued.

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<v Speaker 1>I begged the operator to clear the lines. The beloved

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<v Speaker 1>voice I remembered so well, went on talking, Mom, can't

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<v Speaker 1>you hear me? I talked to Peggy, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like talking through a storm. Then silence fell. Operator. I

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<v Speaker 1>said this call must be intended for someone else. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave her my name and phone number. She repeated this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to my surprise, she said, you positively are

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<v Speaker 1>the one they want. Again, Peggy's voice called to me

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<v Speaker 1>through a rushing as of great winds. The winds rose

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<v Speaker 1>through a war and then died into a sudden silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Frantically I called Peggy's name, but there was no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked the operator to trace the call, but she

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<v Speaker 1>replied with finality, we have no record of incoming calls.

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<v Speaker 1>My eyes filled with tears of joy. I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy had called me not only on Mother's Day, but

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<v Speaker 1>from beyond the grave, for she had died just six

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<v Speaker 1>months before.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't you know, Samantha, some of our listeners might not

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<v Speaker 2>remember that there was a time and the only way

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<v Speaker 2>to make long distance call was through an operator. You

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<v Speaker 2>literally had to speak to someone who connected you to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else in another city. And that's, of course the

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<v Speaker 2>time this woman was writing and what was that nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three? Yeah, yeah, so that's what was happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>And again it's one of those strange situations where the

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<v Speaker 2>operator put the call through, but then she doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a record of it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's so wild and so beautiful that she would

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<v Speaker 1>go to those extremes on Mother's Day. Let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break, and when we come back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a really recent account of some emails from

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the Grave. So, deb why don't you tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what you have coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>I have created a new course series that I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>excited about, and it's entitled Opening Gates of Promise. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about exploring those internal landscapes that we have within us

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<v Speaker 2>that help us have a deeper understanding of who we

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<v Speaker 2>are and our life's purpose. And also a reminder that

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<v Speaker 2>our Fool's Calling course is open for enrollment. The best

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<v Speaker 2>way you can learn about both of these courses and

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<v Speaker 2>my other services and connect with me is through my website,

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<v Speaker 2>Debowen dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, everyone, I want to remind you that on October sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm teaching a psychic protection class designed to teach you

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<v Speaker 1>how to clear and shield your aura, cut course of negativity,

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<v Speaker 1>and protect your energy, home and office from unwanted intrusions.

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<v Speaker 1>On November six, I'm teaching my Crystals one oh one

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<v Speaker 1>class which will help you get started on your crystal journey,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm adding a section in there about working with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mastercrystals. All classes are taught live on Zoom and

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<v Speaker 1>include lots of handouts and fun information. Plus you get

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<v Speaker 1>the recorded class email to you. Just go to sumitafeye

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and click the upcoming events tab for more information.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a really compelling and more recent case involving

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<v Speaker 1>emails from a young man. After Jack Freese passed away

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<v Speaker 1>unexpectedly in twenty eleven, his friends began receiving eerie emails

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<v Speaker 1>from his account, sparking discussions about the nature of life, death,

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<v Speaker 1>and the boundaries of technology. Jack Friese was a fun

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<v Speaker 1>loving young man known for his humor and generosity. When

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<v Speaker 1>he died at the age of thirty two, his friends

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<v Speaker 1>were devastated. Shortly after his funeral, however, they began receiving

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<v Speaker 1>strange emails from his address. The messages were not typical fair. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they contained odd phrases and references that only Friese's close

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<v Speaker 1>friends would understand, leading them to believe that somehow he

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<v Speaker 1>was reaching out from beyond the grave. Five months after

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<v Speaker 1>Friese's death, his best friend Tim Hart said he received

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<v Speaker 1>an email from Friese's account with the subject line I'm watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Hart told the BBC one night in November. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting on my couch going through my emails

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone and it popped up Senator Jack fries

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<v Speaker 1>I turned ghost white when I read it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very quick and short, but to a point that only

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and I could relate on. Inside the email was

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<v Speaker 1>the message, did you hear me? I'm at your house?

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<v Speaker 1>Clean your effing attic? Before Freeze died, Heart said the

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<v Speaker 1>two had been alone in Heart's attic talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the space just he and I were

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Heart said, that's it, so that there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many weird things just to that first email. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>if I got an email from a deceased friend that

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<v Speaker 1>said I'm watching, I'd be like, what where? And the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he said, did you hear me? I'm at

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<v Speaker 1>your house. As the interviewer for the BBC, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have asked, Heart, you know, did you feel a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of someone watching you? Did you hear any sounds that

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't pinpoint? Because it sounds like he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate in his home and when you know Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Hart wasn't getting it, he'd went ahead and sent these emails.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't it sound like that if he says I'm at

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<v Speaker 1>your house.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and clearly he was talking about being there

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<v Speaker 2>at that very moment. It seems like, yeah, and reminding

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<v Speaker 2>him of a conversation they had had about the need

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<v Speaker 2>to clean out the attic, right, double validation basically yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is something I often talk about when I

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<v Speaker 1>teach my mediumship classes is that often the validation that

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<v Speaker 1>the loved one sends through is pretty frivolous, like clean

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<v Speaker 1>your attic. But the reason why I think it's the

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<v Speaker 1>most validating thing because nobody else knew that he and

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<v Speaker 1>Freese were in the attic talking about how he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to clean it up and what to do with that space.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's those little details that make you go, oh

419
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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, nobody knew that you couldn't read it in obituary.

420
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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't, you know, interview friends or whatever. So I

421
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<v Speaker 1>think those are very, very validating statements now. Fese's cousin,

422
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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy McGraw also claimed he received a posthumous email from

423
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<v Speaker 1>Freese in November telling him I knew you were going

424
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<v Speaker 1>to break your ankle. Try to warn you. Got to

425
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>be careful. McGrath said he had broken his ankle about

426
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<v Speaker 1>a week before he got the email. I'd like to

427
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<v Speaker 1>say Jack sent it, he said, just because I look

428
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<v Speaker 1>at it as he's gone. But he's still trying to

429
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>connect with me, trying to tell me to move along

430
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<v Speaker 1>to feel better. The source of these emails is still

431
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.839
<v Speaker 1>a mystery. Priese's friends say no one had his password

432
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<v Speaker 1>and they don't believe that the account was hacked. Heart

433
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<v Speaker 1>said he thought Friese's mother had been sending them, but

434
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<v Speaker 1>when he asked her about it, she said, think what

435
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<v Speaker 1>you want about it, or accept it as a gift.

436
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 1>The contents of Freese's emails ranged from lighthearted jokes to

437
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<v Speaker 1>unsettling comments that seemed to defy explanation. One notable email

438
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<v Speaker 1>read I'm here, you guys are in trouble. Another stated

439
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not dead yet. These messages, while potentially humorous in tone,

440
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<v Speaker 1>raised profound questions about the imp location of digital communication

441
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<v Speaker 1>after death.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Hey wait, I want to know what he said to

443
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<v Speaker 2>the cousin in advance of him breaking his ankle? Do

444
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<v Speaker 2>we know that?

445
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 1>No, we don't know that.

446
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>See that's the kind of stuff I want to know.

447
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<v Speaker 2>How did he try to tell it? You know? I'd

448
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<v Speaker 2>like to know that.

449
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. And I want to know what the

450
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<v Speaker 1>one email saying I'm here, you guys are in trouble means.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would too.

452
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<v Speaker 3>You know.

453
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not dead yet. I mean, okay, is he

454
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<v Speaker 1>like in Lumbelow?

455
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

456
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<v Speaker 1>I find those really interesting.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I do too.

458
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<v Speaker 1>And then in twenty seventeen, Australian journalist Mark Culvin died

459
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<v Speaker 1>when he was sixty five. He was a universally admired

460
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>broadcaster and author, and also had an avid and highly

461
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<v Speaker 1>responsive Twitter account. The news broke around eleven forty and

462
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<v Speaker 1>Twitter was immediately flooded with tribbya and then at one eighteen,

463
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>his account posted a single tweet, It's all been bloody

464
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<v Speaker 1>marvelous whoa yeah.

465
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<v Speaker 2>And not anything else, just that one. No one posthumous post.

466
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<v Speaker 1>YEP, that's it.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Samantha. So here's a question to you. So you know,

468
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<v Speaker 2>don't I know you do, and I know I have

469
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<v Speaker 2>agreements with friends about things we will do to try

470
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<v Speaker 2>to communicate after we pass over, right right. I think

471
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<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting. I think we should write those in

472
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<v Speaker 2>a sealed envelope. Let's do this. Let's you and I

473
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>both write in a sealed envelope what we've said to

474
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<v Speaker 2>friends that we're going to say and do, and then

475
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<v Speaker 2>when somebody tells us about it, or we ask about

476
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>it later, after one of us is gone, we can

477
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>open that envelope and see what happened.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's so morbid. But okay, yeah, I

479
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's morbid at all.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Right, I know with validation, you're right.

481
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Just this morning, though, I was scrolling through TikTok and

482
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<v Speaker 1>this woman said everyone should have a dead envelope, you

483
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 1>know that? And I was like, oh, that's so true,

484
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, and in this envelope, She's like, you

485
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>can keep it in your safe, but it should have

486
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you know your passwords, your account numbers, where your life

487
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 1>insurance policy is. Obituary that you want photo you want

488
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to be used, all that stuff so that the family

489
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 1>members don't have to wonder and think, you know, where

490
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 1>is this? Is this what she would want? Is this

491
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>what the picture he would want used?

492
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Have you not done all those things?

493
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I do have an envelope in my safe like my

494
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I have like a fireproof safety thing. And I do

495
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>have an envelope with most of that, like passwords and

496
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 1>my life insurance and my will. But I don't have

497
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>like my obituary or the photo I want used.

498
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 2>I've written my obituary all my sister has to just

499
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>put in the dead date.

500
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

501
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I even have a playlist of music to be played

502
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>a celebration.

503
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Dang, you really thought this out.

504
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I have friends who agreed to come and play music

505
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and sing those songs for me.

506
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, well yeah, I just you know, have a

507
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>hard time thinking about all of that. But okay, I'll

508
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>add to my dead envelope.

509
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, here's why I think it's so really, really,

510
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>so very important is because I think that one of

511
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<v Speaker 2>the ways that we honor our friends who have passed on,

512
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>or our family who has passed on, is that we

513
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>do what they want. They want to have happened. Now,

514
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I also know that memorials and celebrations are for the living.

515
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I get that, and I understand that, and I respect

516
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>that too, But I also think that there are certain

517
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>things that are really important to the ones who are

518
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>crossing over, that are comforting and familiar to them. I mean,

519
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>for example, my mama wanted I was serious when I

520
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>said this a few minutes ago. My mama wanted Elvis

521
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>played at her funeral. Now, you know, most of us

522
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>when we think of Elvis, we think of all the

523
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll stuff that Elvis did, but he also

524
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>so it was a gospel singer, and he sang some

525
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 2>beautiful hymns, and those were the ones that Mama knew

526
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.119
<v Speaker 2>we needed to do. If the church she went to,

527
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>I think she probably would have appreciated the rock and

528
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>roll more because she loved that, but she knew that

529
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>at that's where we were going to be, it needed

530
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>to be the Elvis hymns, and that's what we did. Well.

531
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that's lovely. I think funerals are for the living,

532
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 1>not the dead, so I don't I think that's fine,

533
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 1>but not that I don't care what music is played

534
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 1>at mine. But I just you know whatever, my kids

535
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>want to help them through the grief.

536
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can add that to mine

537
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>if you want to. But here's what I want you

538
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 2>to play to send me off. Okay, you know I

539
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.279
<v Speaker 2>got a list. What's one of them. The very first

540
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.599
<v Speaker 2>song is Brought Me on the Water by Jackson Brown.

541
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh nice? What's the going out him?

542
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Imagined by John Lennon?

543
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Very nice?

544
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>All right? A lot of stuff in the middle.

545
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>And tell them where you're going to be buried at sea?

546
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, don't tell them where your ashes are going

547
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to be before they're in the sea.

548
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean.

549
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>You're can of nuts?

550
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I have a coffee can in my hurricane box.

551
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>That's a chalk full of nuts can. That's the brand

552
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of coffee. It is chock full of nuts. And on

553
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the lid in magic marker is a peace symbol and

554
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the word stebs ashes. And that's where I want you

555
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to pay a lot of money for a fancy urn.

556
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>You're just gonna take me and throw me in the

557
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 2>ocean to just put me in that coffee can.

558
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And I've seen it people, She's had it for like

559
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 1>what sixteen twenty.

560
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Years at least. Yeah, true story. So play some good

561
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>rocket roll and put me in a coffee can and

562
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>life will be great on both sides of the veil.

563
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>All right, move us on, Samantha.

564
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so okay. So Brad Steger told the story of

565
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a London art gallery owner who also received an email

566
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>from a dead person. It was an artist, a long

567
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>time me of hers, he writes. The gallery owner had

568
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>a running battle with the struggling artists for years after

569
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>being rejected by her repeatedly. The frustrated artist died suddenly

570
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of massive heart failure, and the gallery owner was devastated,

571
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>fearing that he had died from a broken heart caused

572
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>by her refusal to sell his work. But one morning,

573
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 1>an email under the artist's name appeared. Shaking with anxiety,

574
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the gallery owner read it twice. The artist message absolved

575
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>her of any role in his death. He had died

576
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 1>from a congenital heart problem, not the stress of rejection.

577
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Apparently he needed closure in the matter so he could

578
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>move on into the spirit world.

579
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So basically an email of forgiveness.

580
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, which is really nice. I would rather have

581
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 1>a phone call than an email me too, you know,

582
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.079
<v Speaker 1>with all like the hacking going on, and I don't know.

583
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 1>I would be a little wared that someone had just

584
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 1>taken over that email account. I would rather a phone call.

585
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 1>It would feel more I don't know, valid, No, what's

586
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>the right word? Yeah, And I wouldn't question it as much,

587
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>right me too? Tell us our next one.

588
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So, a user named Stephanie told this story to BuzzFeed.

589
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>My father passed suddenly and was not conscious for the

590
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>last several days of his life. After he was gone,

591
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I received a series of phone calls that were silent

592
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.519
<v Speaker 2>or had static. I said hello several times with no

593
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>reply or more static. This went on for three months.

594
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>One night, I dreamt I got one of the phone calls,

595
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 2>but instead of silence, it was my father. He said,

596
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I just want to tell you that I love you.

597
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I woke up in tears and I never got another call. Well,

598
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it took him a while to get through, didn't it.

599
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Well that one really makes me think, you know, was

600
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 1>this him trying to learn how to communicate with her

601
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't. He couldn't get his voice to appear

602
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 1>year on the phone line. So then his guides taught

603
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>him how to come in a dream.

604
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that very very well may be possible when

605
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you think about really that all we are is energy,

606
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>and that one of the ways we communicate really is

607
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>by matching our energetic vibrations to someone else's. And I've

608
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>read over and over again about the learning curve that

609
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>goes on across the veil of folks learning how without

610
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>a body to match their vibrations to people over here

611
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>on this side, and that very well may been what

612
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>had happened.

613
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite stories, and I know I've told

614
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 1>it too many times, but we do have new listeners,

615
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's my favorite story that ever happened. When I

616
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 1>was doing a reading was this man came through to

617
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>apologize to his wife about appearing in the hallway and

618
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>scaring her half to death, and she said he better apologized,

619
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 1>and I laughed and asked her what happened and she

620
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 1>said that, you know, after he died, she was having

621
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>a hard time sleeping and would often fall asleep with

622
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the TV or the lights on. And she was just

623
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>sitting in bed one night, missing him, and she saw

624
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 1>him walking down the hallway, except his skin kept falling

625
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 1>off and she was terrified, and then he just disappeared

626
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and he had said to me, I had to learn.

627
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm still learning how to recreate my energy, and he said,

628
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm tell her, I'm trying, tell her, I'm trying. So

629
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<v Speaker 1>I passed all of that on. And then a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks later, she emailed me and said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she really thought about that, and she kept telling him like,

632
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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm grieving too much. And she was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in the closet smelling one of his shirts, and she

634
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<v Speaker 1>said she always did that because it made her feel

635
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<v Speaker 1>close to him, and she started to she just fail

636
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 1>to her knees, crying because she realized his smell wasn't

637
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>on his shirts as much, you know, and she was

638
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>just had one of those breakdown moments, and she said,

639
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.719
<v Speaker 1>if only I could smell you again. And she heard

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00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>this crash in their bathroom and where she kept all

641
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 1>of her perfume, and his one bottle of cologne was

642
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>in the center of like her circle of her perfume bottles.

643
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Only that cologne bottle fell and it spilled, and so

644
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>her whole bathroom smelled of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that story. I know I've heard you tell

646
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 2>it before, and it's a great story, and you know,

647
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and I've told this story on her before too. Conversely,

648
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>when we talk about the way my mom came to

649
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>visit me, and it was very clear, it was heard

650
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>she was sitting on the side of my bed and

651
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 2>all that. Shortly after my dad died, and by that

652
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean just just a few days, he came to

653
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 2>see me and he stood at the foot of my bed,

654
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>but he looked awful. He looked very dead. And I

655
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>sat up in bed and I said, Daddy, I'm so

656
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 2>happy to see you, but I need you to look different.

657
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Next time you come, I need you to look like

658
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember you. And then he did come a couple

659
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 2>of other times after that, and both times he looked

660
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>like I remember him, looking much much younger and much

661
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>health fear, And I know how much work and energy

662
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>it took for him to do that.

663
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<v Speaker 1>For me, yeah, to learn how to do that, but

664
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>it shows what the effort that they put through to

665
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>try to communicate with us. I mean, my dear friend

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00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 1>George would have turned fifty four yesterday, and he died

667
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>at twenty seven, and I had a dream of him

668
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and I rushed over to him in the dream to

669
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>hug him, and he said, no, no, no, you can't

670
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>touch me. I haven't learned to do that in dreams yet.

671
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of months later, I had another

672
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 1>dream and he was just sitting on a park bench

673
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 1>and I walked up very carefully, and he said, no, no,

674
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:51.679
<v Speaker 1>you can hug me.

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00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 3>Now I've learned. Oh oh, so I think that they do.

676
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 3>They're like instructed. All right, we have some more great

677
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 3>stories to share about communication from the other side. Let's

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00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.719
<v Speaker 3>take our last break and we'll be right back. Okay,

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00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 3>deb do you want to share our next story?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. This is from a man on Reddit who says this,

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00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.199
<v Speaker 2>My dad died of cancer over ten years ago. A

682
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>little less than a month after, I got on my

683
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>knees and prayed for some type of sign that there

684
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>is something after this life. At three ten a m.

685
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I got a voicemail from a private number brew static.

686
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>My voice, my dad's voice emerged and said, Hello, Jacoby,

687
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a name only my dad called me. I just wish

688
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I had woken up and answered that call. And yes,

689
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I still have it recorded. And when I let my

690
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>family and friends listen, we all agreed that it was

691
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>his voice. Oh so he got the voicemail and the

692
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 2>colony didn't answer it. Yeah, oh, oh sad?

693
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 1>But how cold he has it recorded? Like if he

694
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>had answered it, I get it, he could have maybe

695
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>talked to his father a little bit more. But how

696
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 1>need to have it recorded?

697
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>That's true, absolutely.

698
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, so many of these stories that we read

699
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to prepare for this show happened at three a m.

700
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>And again I've wondered, you know, I always joke on

701
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 1>this show like why three am? And how do the

702
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>spirits know that it's three am Eastern and not Pacific

703
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 1>or Central or Australian or what have you.

704
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, because time is weird, Samantha, and it's not.

705
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Real, yeah, or does something I've read some articles that

706
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>say the electromagnetic fields in the middle of the night,

707
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>wherever you are, whatever time zone, it's calmer, you know,

708
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>like there's not people on their internet, there's not a

709
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of electricity running through telephone wires, and you know,

710
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>utility polls and all of that, and so that everything

711
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 1>is is calmer energetically, and they're able to connect that

712
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>way because of the electromagnetic energy.

713
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that probably has something to do with it.

714
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think I think there's something magical about that time.

715
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's thousands of stories throughout history about three

716
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning, you know. Yeah, So let me

717
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 2>tell another one. This is from another Reddit user. We

718
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 2>had visited my grandmother in Spain, and on the way home,

719
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>my mom texted my granddad, her father, to say, had

720
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a lovely time, thanks for having us home now. When

721
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>he died a few months later, we went over to Spain.

722
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Mom swept in bed with my grandma, and my granddad's

723
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>phone was in the living room. At three am, my

724
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>mom wakes up to her phone going off. It's a

725
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>text for my granddad saying had a lovely time, thanks

726
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 2>for having us home now.

727
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that beautiful? Yes, Like he's telling her he's home,

728
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>like he's in his eternal home now, right, all right.

729
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Here's another one, also on Reddit. I work for a

730
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 1>company that answers phone and takes messages for businesses when

731
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 1>they're closed, out to lunch, after hours, et cetera. We

732
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.199
<v Speaker 1>answer for a variety of companies in different fields, including

733
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 1>funeral homes. I took a message from this lady whose

734
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.119
<v Speaker 1>mother had passed recently. The body was already picked up

735
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and dressed and at the funeral parlor visitation was scheduled

736
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>for the following day. She calls and is weepy and

737
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>asks if her mother's phone is still in her jacket

738
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>pocket because they just got a call from her number.

739
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I dispatched the call to the funeral director and he

740
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>says that he'll call her, but that the body is

741
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 1>in the casket and the casket is closed waiting in

742
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>their parlor. I said, wow, weird, and he kind of

743
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>chuckles and says, this kind of thing happens more often

744
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>than you would think.

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00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>You would think they wouldn't leave that phone in that

746
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>woman's pocket unless they want it, unless she wanted it

747
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to be there. Okay.

748
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I came across at least three more stories of people

749
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 1>requesting to be buried with their cell phone.

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00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

751
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I am so serious?

752
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Why, I don't know.

753
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>What do they think They're going to sit in there

754
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>in their coffin underground and scroll through Instagram? I don't know.

755
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either, Samantha, or maybe they just don't

756
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>want people to see what's on their phone. That could

757
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>be too You know, I don't have any desire whatsoever

758
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to be disposed of with my phone, but you know,

759
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I joked often and half seriously. I sure do wish

760
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I could take a legal pad and a pen with

761
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.639
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of questions on it with me when I

762
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.199
<v Speaker 2>go Yeah, me too. Right, there's that all right.

763
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 1>We've got one more Reddit story from leu Anne. She says,

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00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 1>when my grandpa passed away, I was sitting in the

765
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 1>living room with my grandma, chatting and having some snacks.

766
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>The phone started ringing. She picked up the phone and

767
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 1>her face went completely pale. When she hung up, she

768
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 1>started crying. Now, my grandpa had just passed, and we

769
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>were all really sad and depressed since he was such

770
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a kind and caring soul. My grandma explained to me

771
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 1>through tears that it was my grandpa on the phone.

772
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.679
<v Speaker 1>She said she recognized her voice and he was whispering

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00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that he was okay, and that my grandma would be

774
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>okay too, even without him. They had been married for

775
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty one years and they were still madly in love

776
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>when he left us. This helped my grandma a lot.

777
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>She wasn't a believer in paranormal stuff, but it made

778
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 1>her think a lot about that, and now she's really

779
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>open minded about this stuff. Now. We often discussed this,

780
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and we all agree that it wasn't some kind of

781
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 1>bad joke because it resembled my grandpa so much to

782
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 1>care for my grandma even far away. On the other side,

783
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.519
<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of strange things happening after his death,

784
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but always on the good side of strange. Oh Love,

785
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I know, isn't that really cool? And you know, I

786
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>even found a Tumblr account that's devoted to collecting stories

787
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 1>like this. It's called the Last Message Received. So if

788
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 1>you go to Tumblr and find that, you'll see it's

789
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 1>just screenshots of people getting text messages or emails, or

790
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>they'll take a screenshot of you know, caller ID to

791
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 1>show that they're and then they'll have the story of

792
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.119
<v Speaker 1>what happened below it. So that's how common this is

793
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 1>that there have been several books written on it, and

794
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>there's even an account where you can you can share

795
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:19.440
<v Speaker 1>your own story and upload some proof.

796
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 2>It certainly helps to validate what you and I have

797
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 2>always said on this show that the veil is thin

798
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and that there is always an energy exchange that's possible

799
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>among people and four legged folks as well, in terms

800
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 2>of how we can stay connected. That it's really all

801
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 2>just about connecting with energy.

802
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I just want to say too to anyone

803
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 1>listening to this who's like, well, I loved my mom,

804
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I loved my dad, my grandpa, whoever, and I haven't

805
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 1>heard from them, you know. We always want to stress

806
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 1>that everyone is different, every soul is different, and how

807
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 1>they died often can really affect the way they're able

808
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to come to you. Like, for example, we haven't really

809
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>heard a whole lot from my dad, and he died,

810
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the late stages of Alzheimer's, and my

811
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>daughter Chloe had that dream, oh early on, like a

812
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 1>week after he passed that she was flying in her

813
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.320
<v Speaker 1>dream with her angel and she saw my dad and

814
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.079
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of other people indifferent. She described them as

815
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 1>like white clouds with like these rotating rainbow lights going

816
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 1>around them. And Chloe said to her angel, oh my gosh,

817
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 1>there's my papa. I have to go say hi. And

818
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>the angel kind of touched her arm and said, no, no, honey,

819
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 1>he's still healing. And so I think sometimes if you

820
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 1>do pass from Alzheimer's or a coma or something like that,

821
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:53.559
<v Speaker 1>where your mind has kind of been affected in some way,

822
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it can be hurder for you to communicate, you know, Also,

823
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.840
<v Speaker 1>my dad was a very soft spoken gentle man. If

824
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 1>he was in line, it was very annoying because he

825
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 1>would let anyone cut in front of us. So I

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00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>can picture him being in like line and having to

827
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 1>you know that says, learn how to communicate with your

828
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.519
<v Speaker 1>family back on earth, and he's just letting everyone go

829
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>in front of him, whereas we've had a lot of

830
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:23.199
<v Speaker 1>signs and a lot of communication from my mom. Did

831
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I tell you about the one where I felt her

832
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>touch my elbow in the kitchen? Did I tell that

833
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>story to you.

834
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Or did not share that with us? Oh?

835
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 1>My gosh. So this was about a month ago. And

836
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I just got up one morning and I was making

837
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>my little breakfast shake and I felt my kids were

838
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>still home, and I felt someone touch my elbow and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of whipped around to be like, who's awake

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<v Speaker 1>this early? And there's nobody there, and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't scared, but I know I felt something

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<v Speaker 1>touch my elbow, so I just I just put my

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<v Speaker 1>little mixer down and I just paused to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>who was that? And I heard my mom's voice and

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<v Speaker 1>inside my head say, good news about your book today?

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<v Speaker 1>So what I did was I texted my sisters and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, this is what just happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>If I hear something good about my book, I'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And that it was like four o'clock that day. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, much later in the day, I got an

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<v Speaker 1>email from my editor that I had been approved finally

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<v Speaker 1>to narrate my book and your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Already knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's wonderful, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've had a lot of things like that, my

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and I with my mom that have been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really really confirming. But I think that it's my mom's personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she would she would cut everyone to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the line to learn how to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, there's not always rhyme nor reason I

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<v Speaker 2>think to this. I mean, people who've been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast for a while know that I desperately wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to Jane or hear from her, and tried

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things and nothing worked. And yet she

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<v Speaker 2>sent me on this convoluted treasure hunt with my wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>friend Dale to try to figure out how to get

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<v Speaker 2>information to me. And it was a beautiful story but

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<v Speaker 2>I personally still have never heard from Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I know. Well, I mean, or take our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Joel. I've been able to connect him with his dad,

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00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>but never with his mom, right, you know. And she

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00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>also passed from Alzheimer's, so I don't know what that is,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just think certain people it takes more time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I tell you about the sign we think my

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<v Speaker 1>dad gave to my sister?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So my sister Courtney had a birthday on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>August nineteenth. On Sunday August eighteenth, my older sister Tara

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<v Speaker 1>gets up in the morning and she has her coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has this lovely like second floor landing with

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<v Speaker 1>all bookshelves and like two little chairs and a coffee table.

884
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<v Speaker 1>But it's kind of for show, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got this beautiful, beautiful home and she never really

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00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 1>actually sits up there, and for some reason that morning,

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00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 1>she got up before everyone else and she was like,

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00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have my coffee up here. So she sits

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<v Speaker 1>there and she looks at the bookshelf and she pulls

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<v Speaker 1>out a random book and it's The Eagle in the

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00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Rose And both both neither my sisters remember ever. Hearing

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00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>of this book, I instantly was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that. Do you remember that book about the

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00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 1>woman who connected with her guide, who she called the ego?

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<v Speaker 1>Was Rosemary Altia wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember this book.

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00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>It was such a good read back then. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it holds up today, but I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tara pulls it out and she opens it up

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00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 1>and it says, happy birthday, Courtney, hope this book inspires

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00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 1>your spiritual path love Dad. Wow, isn't that wild? And

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00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 1>she was like, why would I sit up there? Why

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00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 1>would I pull out this book. Courtney has no memory

904
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<v Speaker 1>of Dad giving her that book, and she has no

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00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>recall of how it got from her house to Tara's house.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think, to me, it's a sign from Dad

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<v Speaker 1>because it was right before her birthday and it's a

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00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 1>happy birthday book, and it's about connecting. It's a medium

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<v Speaker 1>writing about how to connect with the other side.

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00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 2>And it got apported from one sister to the other's.

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00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, Courtney's like, I'm sure I gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to you at some point, but she is no memory

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<v Speaker 1>of that, right, Wow. So I just thought that was really,

914
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<v Speaker 1>really cool. So I think that they will give us signs,

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00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 1>and I think these these very you know, visual auditory

916
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 1>signs of calling or emailing. Gosh, that's that is such

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<v Speaker 1>such a gift. And I would like to add everyone

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<v Speaker 1>I started researching this as a spooky episode. Dev this

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<v Speaker 1>has not been a spooky episode at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's just a lovely episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I meant phone calls from the dead, but

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out to be very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this episode. Thank you for this episode, Samantha.

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<v Speaker 2>One down, y'all. I'm not having to do a scary thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, tune in next week when we talk about demons

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<v Speaker 1>possessing us all. No, I'm kidding, dep I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Kidding, Samantha. You're probably not. That's a scary thing. In

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<v Speaker 2>any case, I appreciate this episode. And I know one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I really want to say is that I

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<v Speaker 2>really hope our listeners hear the comfort and the hope

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<v Speaker 2>in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do too, and the fact that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out and connect with us as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we want to reach out and connect with them. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard, and the timing has to be right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it has to match their personality and their journey on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side. But I think if we know that,

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<v Speaker 1>if we set that intention, hey, I would like to

939
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<v Speaker 1>hear from you going to find a way. It might

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<v Speaker 1>not be today or tomorrow, but they will find a way.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I hope you always remind people.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that right and there may be ways in which

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<v Speaker 2>they do that we may not expect or want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks everyone so much for listening. If you like

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<v Speaker 1>the show, please tell a friend or leave us a

947
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 1>nice review. It really helps us grow our audience. We

948
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<v Speaker 1>hope you get a phone call or an email or

949
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<v Speaker 1>a tweet from a loved one on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do, shoot us an email Psychic Teachers at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com and we'll share on an upcoming show.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the light for yourself and others.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers,

955
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>light workers, mystics, and magical thinkers. If you like the show,

956
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>please tell a friend or leave us a review. Wherever

957
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you listen to your podcast. For more information, check out

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<v Speaker 1>our Facebook page Psychic Teachers, or our websites Samantha Fay

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and Debbowen dot com. I have a new

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<v Speaker 1>book out called the awake dreamer, lucid dreaming, astral travel

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<v Speaker 1>and mastering the dreamscape. You can find it wherever books

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<v Speaker 1>are sold. Thanks for listening, and have a great week.