Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing. Come on in, have a seat.
Speaker 1: I'm Cliff Dunning, your host of earth ancients startling new
Speaker 1: discoveries from our planet's distant past. I hope you're doing
Speaker 1: well today. So much going on right now in the
Speaker 1: world of archaeology, of discovery. And I reported on a
Speaker 1: team known as the Caffree Research Project. I think it
Speaker 1: was last October. I talked about it and what this
Speaker 1: is is a group of Italian and English scientists who
Speaker 1: got together and reprogrammed a geological satellite. And this satellite
Speaker 1: that comes from Capella Space in the United States, is
Speaker 1: used for piercing volcanoes, the rocket of volcanoes to know
Speaker 1: if they're active or not. Also used for prediction of
Speaker 1: some types of earthquakes. They're getting better and better. But
Speaker 1: what their genius was is they actually arranged for this
Speaker 1: satellite to pass over the Giza Plateau and to scan
Speaker 1: with this special technology the Cafree Pyramid, the Great Pyramid,
Speaker 1: and what they discovered was mind blowing. And I you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I was hoping to have them last year.
Speaker 1: It looks like we're going to have them. The team,
Speaker 1: doctors Malega and Bion d come on the program probably
Speaker 1: in April, to talk about what they discovered, what the
Speaker 1: technique was, and also some details on what was the
Speaker 1: goal and what was the outcome. Now, what I love
Speaker 1: about this is that it wasn't There was no permission
Speaker 1: needed by the Antiquities Department of Egypt, and this would
Speaker 1: have been a huge, huge problem. Unfortunately, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems when you deal with Egyptians authorities when it
Speaker 1: comes to scanning, digging, surveying outside of their own purview,
Speaker 1: meaning that you typically have to pay money, you have
Speaker 1: to follow their dates to release information. And when the
Speaker 1: earlier scanned Pyramid team, which was made up of a
Speaker 1: concertium of Japanese, French, and Egyptian scientists, pierced the pyramid
Speaker 1: with a mon scanning system, they were they were held
Speaker 1: from releasing the full analysis of what they came up with.
Speaker 1: And we're still waiting after five years to learn what
Speaker 1: this cavity is above the King's chamber in the Great
Speaker 1: Pyramid looks like it's a huge void. We're waiting.
Speaker 2: We've been waiting.
Speaker 1: We've been waiting, but they are restricted by these somewhat
Speaker 1: issues that we are talking about. What happens is you
Speaker 1: have to go through a process. They are wanting to
Speaker 1: hold onto the data, and I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: a lot of this data is pretty significant. It changes
Speaker 1: the whole narrative that the Great Pyramids or any of
Speaker 1: the pyramids in Egypt were used for tombs. That's all
Speaker 1: now a complete revision. There is a revision on that.
Speaker 1: You can call it revisionist history. And so you can't
Speaker 1: trust these guys. So what happens is that these two
Speaker 1: scientists use this Capella Geological Survey satellite pierced the body
Speaker 1: of the Great Pyramid, and what came back was published
Speaker 1: briefly last year.
Speaker 2: So what do they find?
Speaker 1: They found numerous rooms, They found large tunnels and caverns.
Speaker 1: They found a what looks like a series of canals
Speaker 1: connect with deep underground either reservoirs or other types of
Speaker 1: tunneling systems that maybe delivered water to the Great Pyramid.
Speaker 1: They also found, oddly enough, a series of canals that
Speaker 1: circle the kings what is known as the King's Chamber,
Speaker 1: and also venting. Some kind of a venting system goes
Speaker 1: above the King's Chamber and connects with some other rooms.
Speaker 1: So it's beginning to look very much like a machine
Speaker 1: of some kind, and we know that Chris Dunn, the engineer,
Speaker 1: has written extensively on this. This kind of confirms his
Speaker 1: belief that the pyramid was an active generator of something.
Speaker 1: We don't know what. But this new discovery, as they
Speaker 1: keep refining the scans, is going to blow the roof
Speaker 1: off the whole thing, and the data cannot be controlled.
Speaker 1: But up until now we've been restricted in the ability
Speaker 1: to get knowledge. And I have been complaining about my
Speaker 1: trips to Egypt for the last year or two, not
Speaker 1: because it's not a great place to visit, but just
Speaker 1: simply because when I talk to the field archaeologists various
Speaker 1: parts of our tour, they are acknowledging that they are
Speaker 1: not able to use the latest technology, or it seems
Speaker 1: they're not willing to use the new technology because they.
Speaker 2: Don't want to know anything more.
Speaker 1: Now we've had William Brown on here, who's a civil
Speaker 1: engineer who's done ground penneturing radar the Giza plateau. If
Speaker 1: you dig about thirty feet below the surface, there is
Speaker 1: a temple, there are canals, there are walkways, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of very very anomalous features that just is not
Speaker 1: allowed to be released. The other thing is people like
Speaker 1: doctor Robert Schock have pierced the front pall of the
Speaker 1: Great Sphinx and realized and scanned and discover there's a
Speaker 1: large room there. We've had people on the program talking
Speaker 1: about this room. The body of the Sphinx is a
Speaker 1: large room connected to tunnels. All this information, if you
Speaker 1: leave it to certain antiquities departments, is not going to
Speaker 1: show itself. It's not going to come out. And I'm
Speaker 1: beginning to think that this is a planned This is
Speaker 1: something that they do not want to release. Why because
Speaker 1: it shows that either during the Puronic period or before
Speaker 1: the Great Pharaohs, there was sophisticated engineering going on within
Speaker 1: these places in the planet, in the in the Middle East,
Speaker 1: and they change the narrative. Advanced engineering is something we
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about, and let's just keep let's
Speaker 1: keep dumbing down the whole process of releasing data. The tomb,
Speaker 1: the Great Pyramids were tombs for pharaohs. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 1: it's not happening anymore. And so we're going to have
Speaker 1: this Caffree research project with them the primary researchers to
Speaker 1: divulge the information. If you go to Earth ancients and
Speaker 1: go to image area. There's a number of early images
Speaker 1: that were processed of the first series of scans. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have the newer scans in April and it's truly exciting.
Speaker 1: It's very, very exciting to reveal, So stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: Today's programs with Matt Lacroix, we are talking about his
Speaker 1: latest research not only in Turkey under and his research
Speaker 1: was at the Lake Vaughan and what's under the water there,
Speaker 1: but we're also going to follow up a visit he
Speaker 1: took to Peru in the Sacred Valley, Cusco and some
Speaker 1: of the other regions of that and what he uncovered
Speaker 1: and its relationship to the Middle East, and some of
Speaker 1: the significant discoveries he's made in the last few months
Speaker 1: leading up to a documentary that he's gonna I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna release probably at the end of this year.
Speaker 1: So today's this program is our Hidden History, and my
Speaker 1: guest is Matt Lacroix. If you haven't been to Turkey,
Speaker 1: it is a fabulous country to visit. Not only is
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Speaker 1: The food, the beverages are fantastic and of course. If
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Speaker 1: Earth Ancients dot com forward Slash Tours. It's always great
Speaker 1: to talk to Matt Lacroix. If you're not familiar with Matt,
Speaker 1: he is the author of The Epic of Humanity, The
Speaker 1: Stage of Time, the Illusion of Us, and he is
Speaker 1: really a world traveler on a number of different levels.
Speaker 1: What I like about Matt is that he is revealing
Speaker 1: evidence of our ancient past through the ancient cultures of Europe,
Speaker 1: Middle East and now South America, and his work, I
Speaker 1: think is cutting edge. We're gonna learn a little bit
Speaker 1: more about what he's been up to. We haven't had
Speaker 1: Matt on a p for at least a year, and
Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to today's programs. So, Hey Matt,
Speaker 1: welcome back to Earth the Ancient. It's great to see you.
Speaker 2: By Hey Cliff, great to see you again. As you said,
Speaker 2: it has been over a year since we last talked,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't been to Turkey and Bolivia or Turkey
Speaker 2: and Peru yet, so and now I've gone to Turkey
Speaker 2: twice and also Peru, so it has been an amazing
Speaker 2: year of exploring ancient sites and finding new new things
Speaker 2: and connecting with lots of new experts. It has definitely
Speaker 2: been an incredible year too. I would say twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four was the best year of my life. It was
Speaker 2: really just quite a remarkable year. I feel very, very
Speaker 2: very blessed for it.
Speaker 1: Now, your company's Honest Group or the Honest Legacy. Oh
Speaker 1: you Honest Legacy. Okay, yeah, talk about your give us
Speaker 1: more updates on your new group because you we talked
Speaker 1: on the email about Lydia de Leon as a contributor
Speaker 1: as well as her husband Arturo is part of your team.
Speaker 1: But you got some others. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the growing team of experts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very small when we last talked. It
Speaker 2: was just a couple of people, and now it's grown
Speaker 2: to like ten different experts. It is quite large. We're
Speaker 2: going to be managing a team that is very unusual.
Speaker 2: I don't believe anything like this has ever happened before
Speaker 2: with top academics that are joining forces. So not just
Speaker 2: like say, passionate researchers, but actual academics that are very
Speaker 2: much believe in the narrative that we are taught for
Speaker 2: a lot of these locations, especially Lake Vaughn and Eastern
Speaker 2: Turkey is not correct. And so what we are doing
Speaker 2: is and I will preface by saying that anyone who's
Speaker 2: part of the team that is involved in the documentary
Speaker 2: is not necessarily saying that it's that we are these
Speaker 2: are lost civilizations. We are exploring the hypothesis and exploring
Speaker 2: the evidence to see if that's true. So experts, I
Speaker 2: feel very lucky to have We have famous geologists, doctor
Speaker 2: Robert Shock, and he is he's incredibly inquisitive and interested
Speaker 2: in a lot of these sites. He had a chance
Speaker 2: to explore with me Ionis and keV Callesi and Shaboustepe
Speaker 2: and some others Coresut as well, which was we can
Speaker 2: talk about that was. That was an incredible experience. We
Speaker 2: did not plan on being able to see what is
Speaker 2: right now the newest archaeological site in the world. In fact,
Speaker 2: when we were there just this past October, they were
Speaker 2: just uncovering the upper part of the temple megalithic structures
Speaker 2: and we were not allowed to photograph or to take
Speaker 2: any film, but we were allowed to see what they
Speaker 2: were doing. And they have found an in another set
Speaker 2: of ruins and very beautiful hewn uh and a site
Speaker 2: and basalt stones like some of the finest I've ever
Speaker 2: seen in the world, just like perfect like razor sharp edges,
Speaker 2: and they're just emerging that from the dirt and the
Speaker 2: and the soil around that area, and they're finding an
Speaker 2: entire temple site on top of this really cool volcanic
Speaker 2: knob that sits over a valley over towards Lake Vaughan.
Speaker 2: What I find really interesting is that a lot of
Speaker 2: these sites around Lake Vaughan are not on the highest mountains.
Speaker 2: They're on these volcanic type of energetic components. And we
Speaker 2: see numerous places around that area that are like that,
Speaker 2: like for instance, Shadows Tepe Alton, tepe korzut Ionis kef Clesse.
Speaker 2: They're all on these like volcanic or limestone type of
Speaker 2: protrusions that are very interesting energetically. Anyway, so Robert Schock
Speaker 2: joined the team. Hans Orheim, a Swedish archaeologist, was in
Speaker 2: Turkey with us as well, exploring the sites.
Speaker 1: What is he known for, Matt What is hans specialty
Speaker 1: in archaeology.
Speaker 2: Hans Orheim specializes He's done a lot of things in Peru.
Speaker 2: He's actually been part of some excavations teams down in Peru.
Speaker 2: He's done a lot of excavations in places where he
Speaker 2: lives in Sweden, so excavating like Nordic and pre Nordic cultures,
Speaker 2: so he brings that area of expertise. He's written a
Speaker 2: number of books where he's also explored Egypt and he
Speaker 2: is very much a supporter of the idea that there
Speaker 2: are you know, loss evidence of lost civilizations that pre
Speaker 2: date the Holo scene in the from from an earlier
Speaker 2: time period before the Younger Driest and so those those
Speaker 2: experts are are just some of what we've had joined.
Speaker 2: We've had Robert Edward Grant join. We have of course
Speaker 2: Paul Wallace on the team. We have interesting a little backstory.
Speaker 2: When we were at keV Kleesse last we came, we
Speaker 2: ended up meeting with the archaeologists that were there because
Speaker 2: they're still excavating that site and they're finding new, incredible
Speaker 2: new basalt columns and pillars that are emerging there, beautiful structures.
Speaker 2: And one of the archaeologists named omay Er tan Urick
Speaker 2: was is one of the ones that runs kef Kalesi
Speaker 2: and that's one of the most important sights to me
Speaker 2: of all, and so we got a chance to They
Speaker 2: brought us down to a storage area down in a
Speaker 2: jijives a town right below it, and in there it
Speaker 2: blew my mind because I didn't know this very important
Speaker 2: bo relief, huge four feet by four feet that I
Speaker 2: had been studying, that had come from that site that's
Speaker 2: that's now being housed in Anchora. Turns out there was
Speaker 2: seven of them in the storage area down below that
Speaker 2: I didn't even had known it existed, and so we
Speaker 2: got a chance to see those firsthand. Anyway, a long
Speaker 2: story short, that person Omayer, ended up being so fascinated
Speaker 2: with the discussions of what we're doing and following me
Speaker 2: online and we had we had discussions for months and
Speaker 2: months and months about these sites being potentially pre Urartian
Speaker 2: and he has subsequently joined the team as well, and
Speaker 2: he's a very high profile archaeologist. Again, he's one of
Speaker 2: the top archaeologists at kef Calesse. So we have some
Speaker 2: very significant and prominent individuals who have joined, and I
Speaker 2: can add some more as well. Another very big one
Speaker 2: is there is a famous Turkish dive expert videographer named
Speaker 2: Tassin Salin who's quite quite well known in Turky, who
Speaker 2: is who dives primarily in ocean environments off of like
Speaker 2: the Red Sea and off of in parts of the Mediterranean.
Speaker 2: But he did a project where he dove down in
Speaker 2: Lake Vaughan to basically film these massive underwater structures that
Speaker 2: form from the alkaline environments underwater. They're like towers built
Speaker 2: out of organic matter. They're very very unusual, really spectacular
Speaker 2: types of landscapes. Anyway, he was one of the first
Speaker 2: to extensively dive in Lake vaugh He dove in a
Speaker 2: number of different areas, one being at Aktamar Island and
Speaker 2: a few others, and when he dove off of a
Speaker 2: Jigives which is right off of keV he ended up
Speaker 2: discovering these underwater ruins in twenty seventeen under Lake Vaughn
Speaker 2: that had never been known about and that has subsequently
Speaker 2: really blown up and become one of the focuses of
Speaker 2: the documentary. And we can we can get into that
Speaker 2: as we go along. But Tawson has subsequently joined the
Speaker 2: team and he will be leading us when we dive
Speaker 2: down and film these underwater ruins for the world to see.
Speaker 1: Do we have any dating on any of these underwater ruins,
Speaker 1: because obviously if they're underwater, they could be pre flood,
Speaker 1: prediluvian and extremely old.
Speaker 2: Right now, So the first thing is when Tawson discovered
Speaker 2: the underwater ruins, the Turkish some some individuals, I will
Speaker 2: just say some individuals did not believe what he had found.
Speaker 2: They actually they were like, no, we don't, we don't
Speaker 2: that that can't be true. And he came back with
Speaker 2: details about the specific location and he had all kinds
Speaker 2: of video of it. And at first, because of the
Speaker 2: unusual nature of the ruins, meaning so they're extremely large blocks,
Speaker 2: they're basalt likely we have to investigate, very finely carved,
Speaker 2: and they're found at a depth of eighty feet underwater,
Speaker 2: which makes them by far, by far the deepest ruins
Speaker 2: that we confirmed anywhere in the world. There are ruins
Speaker 2: off of parts of the Mediterranean, off of Greece, off
Speaker 2: of Santorini, there are ruins off of Egypt, but they're
Speaker 2: not anywhere near that depth, and they're not large megalithic ruins,
Speaker 2: meaning that structure is being built. And so these ruins
Speaker 2: under Lake Vaughan are incredible enigma, and so archaeologists didn't
Speaker 2: know how to place them. They were like, oh, they
Speaker 2: are our team from twenty one hundred BC, but or
Speaker 2: are they like medieval That was even a consensus that
Speaker 2: some archaeologists were trying to propose that they were not
Speaker 2: even from that time, but actually earlier, from like medieval times.
Speaker 2: Clearly they had no idea when they were built. But
Speaker 2: the problem is none of that makes any sense because
Speaker 2: they're eighty feet underwater, and in order to get fluctuations
Speaker 2: with that that Lake Vaughn at that level, you would
Speaker 2: and I confirmed this. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: actually talking to chat GDP, which I have found is
Speaker 2: a very very good way to bounce ideas off of
Speaker 2: so because it searches the entire Internet, right and it
Speaker 2: has the knowledge of all the Internet. And so I've
Speaker 2: had some very very good conversations actually with chat GDP
Speaker 2: asking about some of my theories and some of the
Speaker 2: things I'm proposing to see how valid it considers them
Speaker 2: looking at all the data, and the consensus that's come
Speaker 2: back is that the only way that Lake Vaughn could
Speaker 2: have fluctuated to that level, which would have been eighty
Speaker 2: to one hundred feet lower, which is insane for a
Speaker 2: lake It's not like we're talking about a title ocean
Speaker 2: system or something like that. In order for a lake
Speaker 2: to be able to fluctuate to those kinds of levels.
Speaker 2: It identified what I did saying it had to have
Speaker 2: been from some kind of major geologic event, which I
Speaker 2: have subsequently identified and it has confirmed that, uh maybe
Speaker 2: the first person to propose this theory, but also that
Speaker 2: it has a lot of scientific backing. And again I
Speaker 2: asked like, is there any holes in this theory? Like
Speaker 2: is there anything that can you can think of that
Speaker 2: would not make sense with this theory? And subsequently it
Speaker 2: came back to verify and confirm that we may be
Speaker 2: dealing with a situation where because of the unusual nature
Speaker 2: of the lake and how it was preserved and then
Speaker 2: the events that led to it flooding, it actually may
Speaker 2: give us, and you can appreciate this cliff, the first
Speaker 2: dating that we can actually have besides go Beckley Tepe
Speaker 2: and the water erosion on the suphinction closure that we have.
Speaker 2: We don't because that's all we really have, because you
Speaker 2: can't date.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that chat GBT can give you a
Speaker 1: reference for possible source for this ruin or what are
Speaker 1: you saying.
Speaker 2: When chat GDP confirmed the date, the dating evidence that
Speaker 2: I was proposing as being valid and sound, and I'll
Speaker 2: give you I'll give you a little background. And of
Speaker 2: course we're going to be going there to film diving
Speaker 2: with the whole team in uh in the end of
Speaker 2: June early July. So what makes this such an unusual situation,
Speaker 2: I'll go into it a minute for a few minutes.
Speaker 2: Here is that when you have a lake that fluctuates
Speaker 2: naturally based on like, let's say, rainfall patterns, you can
Speaker 2: only get a a type of variation that is a
Speaker 2: few meters because of the fact that lakes tend to
Speaker 2: have a more consistent level than something like I mentioned,
Speaker 2: like an ocean or something right where you get huge
Speaker 2: title changes and then you can get water that locks
Speaker 2: up and ice caps in different parts of parts of
Speaker 2: history and can lower all that, but that doesn't impact
Speaker 2: lakes because they're not attached to the to the ocean.
Speaker 2: So in order for lakes to fluctuate, that can only
Speaker 2: happen based on rainfall patterns things like that. And so
Speaker 2: one what we identified here is looking at is that
Speaker 2: how can you have ruins that are eighty feet eighty
Speaker 2: to eighty three feet underwater in the bottom. Now, the
Speaker 2: first question that comes up that archaeologists have asked me,
Speaker 2: did it slide into the into the lake? And the
Speaker 2: first answer is, we do not believe it did, because
Speaker 2: the ruins are bread over an area of a half
Speaker 2: of a kilometer of an entire kilometer underwater. And not
Speaker 2: only that, the structures themselves are an extremely good condition.
Speaker 2: So if you had a structure from earthquakes or seismic
Speaker 2: activity that slid into the water, you would probably just
Speaker 2: get a bunch of rubble because you would tumble down
Speaker 2: into the lake. Well, the ruins under Lake Vaughan are
Speaker 2: remarkably intact, showing that it didn't slide in that into
Speaker 2: the lake, that it was built in the lake rows
Speaker 2: above it. The second thing that we have is we
Speaker 2: have incredible symbols that we've connected around the world that
Speaker 2: we can get into in a minute, but the dating
Speaker 2: evidence is really remarkable. When I was researching Lake Vaughn,
Speaker 2: I found something unbelievably interesting that Cliff, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it'll be one of the focuses of my new book
Speaker 2: that I'm now a third of the way through, called
Speaker 2: The Lost Key of the Missing key of history, and
Speaker 2: this is going to be one of the focuses of
Speaker 2: the documentary and the book is this is what we're
Speaker 2: talking about right now. Diving down to this will be
Speaker 2: like diving down to like a new Atlantis. I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be groundbreaking. Now. The reason I say
Speaker 2: that is that in order for Lake Vaughan to number
Speaker 2: one preserve the ruins, it's because it's the most alkaline
Speaker 2: closed basin lake in the world, meaning that it has
Speaker 2: no outlets. And what it created was the alkaline environment
Speaker 2: created an environment of preservation where everything has been preserved
Speaker 2: underwater remarkably well. And that what does not happen in
Speaker 2: normal lake systems with currents and having a non alkaline environment,
Speaker 2: you actually will get a lot of severe erosion on
Speaker 2: structures and things, ability for those things to kind of
Speaker 2: disappear or disintegrate. But because of the alkaline nature, it
Speaker 2: just preserved everything remarkably well. Now that's the first thing.
Speaker 2: But why is it a closed basin alkaline system. The
Speaker 2: lake used to have a major river that exited called
Speaker 2: the Mirrort River in the southwest part of Lake Vaughan,
Speaker 2: and that at that time had been what maintained lake
Speaker 2: levels at eighty to one hundred feet lower than they
Speaker 2: are now. Because if you have a basin and you
Speaker 2: have water coming out and then water coming in with rivers,
Speaker 2: you're going to always have a system where it's maintained
Speaker 2: in balance because you're losing water and you're gaining water, right,
Speaker 2: so you get like a nice balance of the levels.
Speaker 2: Except what happened was there was a geologic event in
Speaker 2: right during the end. This is what's wild is it's
Speaker 2: confirmed by scientists that at the end of the Pleisocene,
Speaker 2: so the pleisis scene would be the Plisi scene is
Speaker 2: the epic that occurred last in history during the Ice
Speaker 2: Age before for the younger driest catastrophes eleven six hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, in which we went into what's called the Holocene.
Speaker 2: So during the end of the Pleisiscene, there was a
Speaker 2: massive eruption. In fact, one of the biggest eruptions we
Speaker 2: know of occurred in a mountain called Mountain Nemrut. Now
Speaker 2: this not to be confused with its sister mountain Nemru
Speaker 2: that is in central Turkey.
Speaker 1: With all the heads with the eagle side.
Speaker 2: Totally different Mountain Nemru, not the same. This Mountain Nemrut
Speaker 2: is on the southwest part of Lake Vaughan, and it's
Speaker 2: one of the largest calderas in the world. And what
Speaker 2: makes it unique is that the entire mountain exploded, the
Speaker 2: entire top blew off and buried the area and maybe
Speaker 2: even played a role in destroying what I believe was
Speaker 2: a civilization. And we can get into that. But when
Speaker 2: the area became populated and explored, starting with Austin Henry Laird,
Speaker 2: who was actually a very famous assyriologist down in Iraq,
Speaker 2: he visited this region and they went to Mount Nemrud.
Speaker 2: And so since the eighteen hundreds, Mount Nemrud has been
Speaker 2: one of the most studied volcanoes in the world because
Speaker 2: of the unusual nature of the explosion that it blew
Speaker 2: off its top and just has an enormous caldera with
Speaker 2: lakes inside. And so scientists have been studying it for
Speaker 2: hundreds of years, and they've taken soil core and rock
Speaker 2: core samples of the lake ash cores, and they've been
Speaker 2: It has very extensive dating, which is very interesting because
Speaker 2: that dating, being as comprehensive as it is, ends up
Speaker 2: late lending itself towards us now because of how good
Speaker 2: the dating is. So what they determined was that during
Speaker 2: the end of the place, the scene somewhere somewhere around
Speaker 2: the younger driest catastrophes, which is incredibly interesting in its
Speaker 2: own considering the upheaval that was going on in the
Speaker 2: world at that time. The mountain exploded, exploded, and a
Speaker 2: lot of it's debris fell to the southeast of the mountain,
Speaker 2: And what it ended up doing was it blocked off
Speaker 2: the Murroat River completely with like an entire mountain, and
Speaker 2: the Mirror River got totally cut off, and it was
Speaker 2: the only river that exited Lake Vaughan, And so subsequently
Speaker 2: you still have rivers coming into the north. So what happens, Cliff,
Speaker 2: when you block off the only outlet to something right
Speaker 2: rises up, but not just a little rises up a lot,
Speaker 2: because I mean it's like again, it's like the bathtub analogy.
Speaker 2: If you have a a a if you open the
Speaker 2: tub up a little bit, but you're still putting water in,
Speaker 2: the water will maintain itself. But then if you plug
Speaker 2: it up, you're just going to get that water just overflowing.
Speaker 2: And that is what we're we're potentially looking at, is
Speaker 2: that we have a dating mechanism, maybe the best we
Speaker 2: have in the world. To say, if you get fluctuations
Speaker 2: of eighty to one hundred feet suddenly flooding over these
Speaker 2: ruins underwater and they are now at eighty feet deep,
Speaker 2: it means that those ruins predated that eruption.
Speaker 1: So what's so rough estimated on a date for this
Speaker 1: underwater ruin.
Speaker 2: The eruption is described as being in the later Places scene.
Speaker 2: We don't get an exact date.
Speaker 1: But this goal right there, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter, I mean, because we know the Places
Speaker 2: scene ended at eleven thousand and six, six hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: So it means that these ruins may have the best
Speaker 2: mechanism for dating of anything in the world, and we
Speaker 2: may actually be able to prove that lost civilizations existed.
Speaker 1: Finally, Yeah, it's a real challenge for Orthodox science though.
Speaker 1: When you look at go Beckley Teppe. We are at
Speaker 1: Kara and tepee last year, which is about I think
Speaker 1: eleven thousand years old, but they found a new tepee
Speaker 1: and it's above by I think thirty miles that stated
Speaker 1: to fourteen thousand years And they keep getting older and
Speaker 1: older and older, and we don't hear about it in
Speaker 1: the National GEO because it's shocking the hell out of
Speaker 1: these or these universities. How do we how do we
Speaker 1: you know, get a sense of where they stand in history.
Speaker 1: It's a whole new three writing history, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cons well. So the first thing is our academics
Speaker 2: have fiercely attacked the dating and go backly Tepe because
Speaker 2: radiocarbon dating has some areas where people argue that it's
Speaker 2: not accurate. Okay, So that's why when they when they
Speaker 2: came out with the dating of go backly Tepe, it
Speaker 2: shifted then it caused questions to open up, but did
Speaker 2: not officially shift the narrative like, for instance, you're not
Speaker 2: going to learn that we have civilizations that go back
Speaker 2: to that early time period. Academics still have not accepted it.
Speaker 1: They can't do that.
Speaker 2: They also have not accepted the water erosion on the
Speaker 2: Sphinx enclosure. That's something that's still a conjecture and it's
Speaker 2: like being fiercely fought over. But how do you argue
Speaker 2: these underwater ruins being eighty feet deep and having symbols
Speaker 2: around the world by the way that we can talk
Speaker 2: about but also having a major geologic event that gives
Speaker 2: you criteria for when that existed prior to so I
Speaker 2: think it really is significant. We are going to come
Speaker 2: at this in a way where all of these experts
Speaker 2: that are the top experts in their field are going
Speaker 2: to come together analyze all of these structures. Again, we
Speaker 2: have two archaeologists, so Hans Oorheim and Omeyer Tan Yurick.
Speaker 2: We have the original discover of the ruins. They're going
Speaker 2: to be dive down Robert Shock maybe diving down with
Speaker 2: him as well as Hans and in our turo and
Speaker 2: we're going to be photographing and filming this for the
Speaker 2: world to see. And our goal is to not just
Speaker 2: say you have to believe in lost civilizations or we
Speaker 2: have to believe in this, but present evidence to let
Speaker 2: the audience decide for themselves. You know what we're looking at,
Speaker 2: and we will. The plan is to in the hopes
Speaker 2: maybe in the future to be able to do some
Speaker 2: kind of a soil analysis around the site, maybe even
Speaker 2: something more. But we're we're going to be moving up
Speaker 2: to greater levels of exploring this mystery. But that's the
Speaker 2: excitement that I came up with doing extensive research three
Speaker 2: or four months ago when I was looking into the site,
Speaker 2: and I've been doubling down by again checking other experts,
Speaker 2: checking chat GDP, trying to see if there's any holes
Speaker 2: in it. But right now it looks like a sound
Speaker 2: theory in which we are going to be further exploring.
Speaker 2: So we have a whole team of about ten experts
Speaker 2: that are all going to be going to these these
Speaker 2: places and exploring the validity of them being built before
Speaker 2: the Rotian time period.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's really exciting, Matt, I can see your enthusiasm.
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Speaker 1: My guest today is Matt Lacroix, coming to us from
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California. He's done some profound work in Turkey
Speaker 1: as well as Peru, South America, and we're learning about
Speaker 1: just how impactful this new research is. Before we leave Turkey, though,
Speaker 1: I want you to describe some of the symbology that's
Speaker 1: been found on these underwater megalists. I saw a photo
Speaker 1: I think it was on either your website or your
Speaker 1: Facebook page, of a very clear image underwater of a
Speaker 1: It looked like a flower motif of some kind. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Do we see that in any other parts of Turkey
Speaker 1: or anywhere else?
Speaker 2: So when I was investigating these areas, it's interesting how
Speaker 2: certain pieces of information reveal themselves at certain times. I
Speaker 2: find that to be incredible, because you'll be looking at
Speaker 2: something a hundred times, and then on the hundred and
Speaker 2: one time you look at it, your mindset's a little different,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, something reveals itself. Und the
Speaker 2: kef Bo Relaf, there's an area next to the step
Speaker 2: pyramids where there are these tetrahedrons that show around each
Speaker 2: other and at first, you wouldn't You don't really notice
Speaker 2: that there are symbols embedded within those tetrahedrons. And as
Speaker 2: I was exploring, I saw that there were actually flowers
Speaker 2: of life, six specifically six spokes flowers of life over
Speaker 2: and over and over again on that. And we know
Speaker 2: the flower life is one of the most important ancient
Speaker 2: symbols in the world. It's in the Ossyrion in Abbado's Egypt,
Speaker 2: on those huge granite hewn pillars that are there, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, Nassim has done analysis of those that
Speaker 2: flower of life symbol down there, and he is determined
Speaker 2: that it is not this is wild, but he is
Speaker 2: determined that it's not carved into the substrate the stone.
Speaker 2: This is and this might be mind blowing for some
Speaker 2: to consider if they're just hearing about it now. He
Speaker 2: believes it may have somehow been part of embedded into
Speaker 2: like the atomic structure of the stone, like beneath the surface,
Speaker 2: almost something that was embedded into it but was not carved.
Speaker 2: Like mind blowing. And I don't know if there's anyone
Speaker 2: still analyzing or studying that, but we may have in
Speaker 2: the Osirion. It may be a situation where it's an
Speaker 2: unknown type of technology that had embedded that in there.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that flower of life with six spokes six
Speaker 2: spokes very important because three, six, and nine are the
Speaker 2: magic esoteric numbers that Nikola Tesla talked about for the design,
Speaker 2: the creative design of everything in the universe. So I
Speaker 2: find it very interesting that that it was repeating itself
Speaker 2: over and over again in Turkey. So just going back
Speaker 2: for one second, the kef Bob relief, all of the
Speaker 2: step pyramids have three levels, and there's three of them,
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and then the flower
Speaker 2: of life symbol that's right below it has six spokes.
Speaker 2: And the fact that there are three of these step
Speaker 2: pyramids and if you were to add three plus three
Speaker 2: plus three you get nine, So over and over again,
Speaker 2: you're seeing three, six, and nine everywhere. Now I had
Speaker 2: noticed that a while ago and was like, that's really
Speaker 2: interesting that's embedded in that, And then I discovered it
Speaker 2: came across at the bottom of the altar at ionis Is.
Speaker 2: Also it's hard to see it's carved on the along
Speaker 2: the bottom part of the altar is all. So the
Speaker 2: six spoked flower of life. So when those came into
Speaker 2: my life it was at the same time, which is
Speaker 2: why it's so weird and wild, because I've been studying
Speaker 2: this for like two years now. The same time, images
Speaker 2: that I had never seen of the underwater ruins came
Speaker 2: to the surface and lo and behold on one of
Speaker 2: the capstones on top of that structure was the sixth
Speaker 2: spoked Flower of Life symbol on that as well, showing
Speaker 2: that it was one of the most important symbols we
Speaker 2: now had in in around Lake Vaughan for this mysterious civilization.
Speaker 2: That gives us a direct seamless connect into Egypt, which
Speaker 2: is really wild because we had a lot of other
Speaker 2: connections based on other symbols in Peru and Bolivia, but
Speaker 2: now we have another whole avenue that is very exciting
Speaker 2: to explore that shows that. And one of the what
Speaker 2: I find really wild, Cliff, is that when you look
Speaker 2: at the structure underwater, the top part has been severely eroded,
Speaker 2: where like some of the stones on top all broke off,
Speaker 2: and there's one stone left, one on the top and
Speaker 2: it just happens to have the one that has the
Speaker 2: Flower of Life symbol. Well, just imagine if that stone
Speaker 2: had not had broken off, we wouldn't have any symbols
Speaker 2: on it as far as we know. And so that
Speaker 2: those symbols, along with everything else we're exploring with the
Speaker 2: sun cross and the step pyramid, the doorways and the
Speaker 2: T pillar design has really opened up what I believe
Speaker 2: cliff is like a lost language as we determined that,
Speaker 2: and I don't believe when we look at Peru, you
Speaker 2: look at Bolivia, you look at Egypt, and you look
Speaker 2: at Lake Vaughan, that there are no writings that exist
Speaker 2: anywhere in those locations on these structures. Now one would
Speaker 2: bring up the Canea form that's at around Lake Vaughan
Speaker 2: on some of the structures like Shabustepe and Ayanus. But
Speaker 2: we have been exploring with evidence to show that all
Speaker 2: the Qunea form may have been written on there by
Speaker 2: the Urartians to claim ownership over its, over their creation.
Speaker 2: Whereas this civilization that's mysterious that I believe built them all,
Speaker 2: I believe they left behind. Their language was the language
Speaker 2: of symbolism, and that was how they communicated knowledge and teachings.
Speaker 2: That that was their language was through symbolism.
Speaker 1: Interesting, before we leave Turkey, what is this underwater uh
Speaker 1: structure or complex uh at Lake Vaughan. Is it a
Speaker 1: temple complex, is it a what is the what do
Speaker 1: they think it is a small They think.
Speaker 2: It's a castle. Well, I want to strongly pause there though,
Speaker 2: because the fact they call everything a castle because the
Speaker 2: Urartians were a warlike culture. They were a war with
Speaker 2: the Assyrians constantly, and so they did build castles on
Speaker 2: top of many of these sites. Ianus has a Urartian
Speaker 2: castle built right on top of it, right on top
Speaker 2: of it, just like a lot of the others, like Shaboustepe.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that was their original purpose. Now,
Speaker 2: if you have a military installation, you would not see
Speaker 2: symbols like the flower of life being this symbol that's
Speaker 2: on that right. You'd have like spears and swords and
Speaker 2: things that would establish it as being a military or
Speaker 2: nothing as being a military type of place. Now, the
Speaker 2: fact that there are symbols related to creation and balance
Speaker 2: and harmony for the universe shows us that this was
Speaker 2: some kind of a temple at the edge of the lake. Now,
Speaker 2: it's also impossible, it's not a coincidence at all that
Speaker 2: kef Calesse is right above where this is on a mountain.
Speaker 2: So imagine an ancient temple up on top of a
Speaker 2: mountain looking over the lake, and then another temple is
Speaker 2: on the edge of the lake. And that's what I
Speaker 2: believe that this was, is some kind of an ancient
Speaker 2: temple near the edge of the lake. How close it
Speaker 2: was is a mystery, but I can tell you that
Speaker 2: it's if it's found at eighty to eighty three feet underwater.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't have built it with the water lapping it
Speaker 2: right on the edge of it. It would have you know,
Speaker 2: it would have been it would have been a little
Speaker 2: ways away from the lake, because that's not how people
Speaker 2: construct things. But that, if anything, that gives us further
Speaker 2: evidence for its age of when it was built, considering
Speaker 2: how deep it is. And so it creates an enigma
Speaker 2: for archaeologists because they scientists and archaeologists cannot explain the
Speaker 2: underwater ruins under Vaughan. They can't.
Speaker 1: They cannot think there's a hesitancy with the Turkish universities
Speaker 1: to really dig down, like I mean, I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: in Egypt. Every year they're finding more excuses to block photographs, cameras, everything,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of regressing in some ways in terms
Speaker 1: of exploring fully these ruins. I mean, every time I
Speaker 1: go there, it seems like they're stepping backward, not forward
Speaker 1: and using new technology or whatever. Give us a hint
Speaker 1: of what you think about.
Speaker 2: There was what I would call the Old Guard that
Speaker 2: was part of the Ivory Tower of archaeology. Now. I
Speaker 2: want to strongly point out, though that there are a
Speaker 2: lot of really good archaeologists, oh sure, working on these
Speaker 2: sites now that have nothing to do with that. So
Speaker 2: I just want to really strongly preface that because that
Speaker 2: old Guard, though, which is dying out now, ye, that
Speaker 2: has definitely played a hand in protecting some of these
Speaker 2: some of this information from coming out. I don't know
Speaker 2: if protecting is the right word. Preventing some of them, ye,
Speaker 2: I would say preventing some of this information from coming out.
Speaker 2: And I do think that that's real. I think that
Speaker 2: if anyone even just spends ten minutes studying Zahi Huas
Speaker 2: in Egypt, you can clearly see that that man does
Speaker 2: not want certain logical discoveries to come to light. I
Speaker 2: was at a at a dinner with Robert Shack, talking
Speaker 2: to him extensively about how he was part of the
Speaker 2: sonar ground penetrating radar work that was done on the Sphinx,
Speaker 2: on the paw of the Sphinx, where they found a
Speaker 2: large subterranean chamber, very very well established and actually made
Speaker 2: news headlines around the world in journals, and everyone was
Speaker 2: like excited to see what they'd find. And they found
Speaker 2: not only was it a subterr opening underneath the paw,
Speaker 2: but they found they saw some kind of artificial objects
Speaker 2: like stone carved stones that were like very precise and
Speaker 2: niagry angles or things that were not random like a cave.
Speaker 2: It's something that was an excavated structure. Now, subsequently, he
Speaker 2: told me the story of what happened was that Egyptologists
Speaker 2: that were led by Zahi Wasss, when all of that
Speaker 2: news was coming out, everyone's like, let's dig down and
Speaker 2: let's find it, like, let's go see it, right, they
Speaker 2: did something very misleading. What they did is instead of
Speaker 2: going to the specific location under the paw to do
Speaker 2: a drill whole analysis, a drill corps to go down
Speaker 2: and see if there's anything there, they went off of
Speaker 2: it enough that when they drilled down, they didn't find
Speaker 2: anything and they said, look, there's nothing there. When they
Speaker 2: it was very deliberate that they missed their mark, and
Speaker 2: then they that was what subsequently closed off the conversation
Speaker 2: to say that, oh, well, you know, they made a mistake.
Speaker 2: There was a small maybe a small natural cavity or something,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't that, but it wasn't anything significant, and
Speaker 2: that closed that temporarily closed the door on discussions for
Speaker 2: what was underneath the sphinx, because I mean, anyone who
Speaker 2: studies this with an open mind, number one knows the
Speaker 2: head of the sphinx is way too small for the body.
Speaker 2: It's disproportional. There's ample evidence now that it was recarved
Speaker 2: during the dynastic Egyptian time, which ties in directly to
Speaker 2: the right the qunaiform writing and the Urartian time period
Speaker 2: that I'm explaining was not from the earlier time, because
Speaker 2: in Egypt we have hieroglyphics all over the place that
Speaker 2: were not done by the same builders of the original
Speaker 2: temples and pyramids and structures. The Egyptians wrote stuff all
Speaker 2: over it. So we're seeing a recycling in a of
Speaker 2: these places. And I mean, how would you have a
Speaker 2: more definitive example of taking ownership of something like you
Speaker 2: built it then this imagine them coming the dynastic Egyptians
Speaker 2: coming in and finding an incredible place that they knew
Speaker 2: was very important, and recarving the head to be a pharaoh.
Speaker 2: When we know that, first of all, the sphinx is
Speaker 2: a guardian, which is why it's a lion facing Leo.
Speaker 2: It's embodies Leo. It's a guardian to a subterranean entrance
Speaker 2: way to what many around the world, from Hermetic texts
Speaker 2: to Eduar Casey and others have very much have stated
Speaker 2: is some kind of a library, some kind of an
Speaker 2: ancient library. And so it makes complete sense that the
Speaker 2: sphinx is a guardian, guardian guarding those entrances to the
Speaker 2: subterranean world under Egypt. Now, someday in the future we
Speaker 2: will get access to those in the meantime, and I
Speaker 2: tell that story because it's an example of showing how
Speaker 2: there are still very important archaeological discoveries and understandings that
Speaker 2: are being blocked, that are not being allowed to.
Speaker 1: Be so disappointing to hear that too, Matt, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hear this all the time from independent researchers, even
Speaker 1: independent archaeologists, who get up against the administrations of the
Speaker 1: different countries archaeological community and they're blocked from further investigation,
Speaker 1: and they're blocked from using new technology. It's very disappointing. Well,
Speaker 1: it just like, well, these discoveries come out in our
Speaker 1: lifetime and sometimes I have to wonder, you know, so.
Speaker 2: I think that to me, it's this. The Ivory Tower
Speaker 2: is a great example. It's this. It's it's unmovable, yet
Speaker 2: it's still firmly being protected and guarded and nothing can
Speaker 2: erode it. But the problem is, the Ivory Tower of
Speaker 2: archaeology has been built, like Graham Hancock says, on a
Speaker 2: foundation of sand, and no matter what you want to think,
Speaker 2: that foundation will erode. And when it does, it'll be
Speaker 2: like a domino effect. And I believe that domino effect
Speaker 2: is already happening now. The amount of academics that have
Speaker 2: joined this documentary to explore this is beyond my expectations
Speaker 2: I ever could have imagined that are now doing this.
Speaker 2: I feel very, very lucky to have such top academics
Speaker 2: and scientists involved in this. But that is just the
Speaker 2: perfect example, in my opinion, of the narrative shifting when
Speaker 2: so many more people are becoming open minded. Is saying, look,
Speaker 2: I think the old narrative has holes in it. It's
Speaker 2: not we're not being told the full story. It's time
Speaker 2: to investigate it because in the end, what is science.
Speaker 2: It's the never ending search for the truth based on
Speaker 2: evidence and data. You don't stop looking for something because
Speaker 2: you have some predetermined thing that you've determined. You don't
Speaker 2: stop looking. It never ends if something disputes or disproves
Speaker 2: something else. The scientific method and theory, being objective, must
Speaker 2: always adhere to that. And our scientific method has become
Speaker 2: deeply eroded and infiltrated by money and interest from outside
Speaker 2: individuals that do not wish for it to change. And
Speaker 2: many people will ask me over and over again, why
Speaker 2: why would you protect it? Why is it something that
Speaker 2: can't shift? Because I'll give you an example why. I
Speaker 2: in this conversation with chat GDP, I asked it a
Speaker 2: very very interesting question. I said, chat GDP, what would
Speaker 2: happen if we found out and had evidence to show
Speaker 2: that ancient prehistory civilizations long before we're told that ever existed.
Speaker 2: We're shown to have a basis around spirituality and esoteric concepts. Okay,
Speaker 2: I said, what would happen if that was found out
Speaker 2: to be true? How would that shift our understanding of history,
Speaker 2: and its answer was it would profoundly shift everything we
Speaker 2: think about the human story. Because let me tell you why.
Speaker 2: The human story is discussed as being coming from paleolithic
Speaker 2: primitive hunter gathers that were kind of warring and fighting,
Speaker 2: and then when we emerged during six thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: during the subsequent next several thousand years, which is true,
Speaker 2: we during the time period of like five thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: four thousand years ago, three thousand years ago. During that
Speaker 2: time period, we were very warlike. Everything we did was
Speaker 2: defined by conquerors and emperor empires. And that's true. And
Speaker 2: so our basis for where human civilizations began comes out
Speaker 2: of a thinking of being a warlike conquering culture that
Speaker 2: defines everything for us. Because people think, oh, so if
Speaker 2: it's old, it comes from a time period of being
Speaker 2: warlike primitive fighting and then gathering up to a gradualism
Speaker 2: of where we are now. But if we learn that, no,
Speaker 2: it's in fact not the case at all. If anything,
Speaker 2: we went backwards, If anything, our story went backwards and
Speaker 2: we eroded down into a lower consciousness, but we started
Speaker 2: from a place of high consciousness. In connection, it would
Speaker 2: fundamentally change Cliff our entire perspective on reality, on who
Speaker 2: we are, everything would shift. And I think that is
Speaker 2: the fundamental reason why history has been protected from being changed.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty heavy, man. I we could talk about
Speaker 1: the Middle East forever. I want to get into some
Speaker 1: of your comparative research. You took a trip to Peru
Speaker 1: in October of last year, and you went to one
Speaker 1: of my favorite places, which is Cusco, and you visited
Speaker 1: Suxy Woman. What was the intuition that you felt the
Speaker 1: need to go there. I know you went for a tour,
Speaker 1: but you discovered some very important similarities, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peru is one of the locations that we are
Speaker 2: filming for the documentary. So I have studied Peru for decades.
Speaker 2: I hadn't been there yet, unfortunately, and so I was
Speaker 2: eager to be able to go and finally get on
Speaker 2: the ground, boots on the ground, and explore them. And
Speaker 2: I mean, that was an amazing trip. I went this
Speaker 2: past October and I had a lot of I want
Speaker 2: to thank Robert ever Grant for that wonderful trip, had
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunity needs to explore the sites with
Speaker 2: my partner Jenny, and we we were able to see
Speaker 2: things that I had never seen before that connect seamlessly
Speaker 2: back to Lake Vaughan and being able to be in
Speaker 2: a place I mean, to me, Cousco is the most
Speaker 2: fascinating ancient city in the world because it's the only
Speaker 2: ancient city that it's a modern city that's built on
Speaker 2: the foundations of megaliths, ancient high precise megalists. Two different
Speaker 2: kinds of megalists, though the one type is a giant
Speaker 2: polygonal type of megalithic stone like we see at sasque Waman,
Speaker 2: which is by the way, is basically like part of Cusco.
Speaker 2: It's on the mountains, it's on the hilltop the mountaintops
Speaker 2: that surround Cusco, and it's part of that. I mean,
Speaker 2: you saw that discovery they just made just recently with
Speaker 2: the huge underground subterranean tunnel system that goes from the
Speaker 2: Cora Konca underneath Cusco all the way to Sayskman and
Speaker 2: some of those sub I went in some of those
Speaker 2: subterranean areas in Saskaugwaman and they go more than a
Speaker 2: mile between them. We know they were both connected. Now
Speaker 2: when you're in that city, you also see a second
Speaker 2: type of building. You see these very not quite nine
Speaker 2: degree angle, but very precise edge cuts of stone work
Speaker 2: around the Coracanta and other structures. And it's so bizarre
Speaker 2: cliff because there are museums and shops built in the
Speaker 2: interior that left the original stone work. It's so weird.
Speaker 2: So you'll be going in. There was a an now
Speaker 2: Paka museum in Kusco with like a coffee house like
Speaker 2: attached to it, and you go to the door and
Speaker 2: right to your right there's like giant megalithic blocks still
Speaker 2: from the original wall that are there on the edge,
Speaker 2: built into the existing structure. And people are walking around
Speaker 2: the city not realizing they're walking or walking by stones
Speaker 2: that are like twelve plus thousand years old. And so
Speaker 2: it's a very it's a beautiful city that has layers
Speaker 2: of different building, has what I considered three distinctive layers
Speaker 2: of civilizations that have been there. The pre Incan which
Speaker 2: is clearly classic pre inc and work. Then you have
Speaker 2: the Incan crude stone which is all over the place
Speaker 2: right next to it, and then you have the Spanish
Speaker 2: work then with recycled stone and others built on top.
Speaker 2: And so you're walking through a city with three different
Speaker 2: ethics of history. That have occurred there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about your impression of the Coracancia, because that
Speaker 1: is it's the most unique stone building I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's has very similar stone work. First of all,
Speaker 2: two areas of Iyanus, the basalt stone work and how
Speaker 2: they fitted it and the same cuts are present in
Speaker 2: both locations, and so that's what got my interest a lot,
Speaker 2: and we will be filming there to show that as well.
Speaker 2: And then when I went into the Cora Conca, the
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't know about about was there's a
Speaker 2: huge altarstone or something like that that sits to the
Speaker 2: left side when you first come in, and it has
Speaker 2: these specific designs with these extensions, four corner extensions that
Speaker 2: stick out. And when I saw that, I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: at cliff because I've never noticed it in pictures or
Speaker 2: video before. It's the same design of the pillar structure.
Speaker 2: We see it kef and ionis all the way across
Speaker 2: the world in Turkey, Uncanny the same design type. And
Speaker 2: so we keep seeing these crossover parallels to motifs and
Speaker 2: designs that are very similar that really bring up the
Speaker 2: question that we're exploring about whether or not the South
Speaker 2: American ancient megalithic sites like Puma, Pumku and Tiwanaku, and
Speaker 2: you know Cusco, the Kora, Kansha and Ayante Tombo in
Speaker 2: all of these places not on Glacia. Whether or not
Speaker 2: there's some kind of a sister extension. If you were
Speaker 2: to think of the concept of Atlantis being like a
Speaker 2: global civilization, not just a place a civilization, right, this
Speaker 2: would very much adhere to those concepts about being a
Speaker 2: place that had almost the same type of work carrying
Speaker 2: over from around the world, that is, that has not
Speaker 2: only that, but like the comparisons with via Kosha, right,
Speaker 2: the primary god of South America being nearly identical to
Speaker 2: haldy in like Vaughan. So we're we're seeing a lot
Speaker 2: of parallels that are very mysterious and very exciting because
Speaker 2: I feel like we're on the brink cliff, the brink
Speaker 2: of unlocking the secrets or begins of an entire chapter
Speaker 2: of human history that will radically redefine our entire understanding
Speaker 2: of who we are in our past.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's u and I always use this analogy,
Speaker 1: which is blueprints being passed among these ancient civilizations. Is
Speaker 1: there a similarity between what you saw in say the
Speaker 1: Lake Vaughan area and in the Cusco stone masonry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look like whatever technology had been used tool
Speaker 2: was the same. Now what was that? You know, we
Speaker 2: have a lot of speculation, but first of all, I
Speaker 2: can tell you the Incan civilization was only around three
Speaker 2: hundred years in fact, it's one of the shortest civilizations
Speaker 2: we know of. But they're being credited with building everything
Speaker 2: that has no evidence that, first of all, they ever
Speaker 2: built it. They left no writings behind, and specifically, when
Speaker 2: the conquistadors Pizarro and others came into that region, they
Speaker 2: were told by the people there that they didn't build them.
Speaker 2: We have that evidence. We know that they they said
Speaker 2: they didn't build them, but they said. What they did
Speaker 2: say was that they were built by the gods, which
Speaker 2: is wild to think about some kind of a celestial
Speaker 2: higher order thing that was not them, and they had
Speaker 2: no idea how they built them, and they knew that
Speaker 2: it just predated them. But like you were just bringing
Speaker 2: up whatever technology, meaning not iron and bronze age, because
Speaker 2: that's what these civilizations would have had access to. Whatever
Speaker 2: tools or technologies built these blocks is completely mysterious today.
Speaker 2: In fact, humans today, our civilization, we don't build structures
Speaker 2: like that anymore. Everybody always comes around like, oh, we
Speaker 2: could do that, but I'm like, we don't though, we
Speaker 2: don't build anything like this, and it really brings up
Speaker 2: questions about whether or not we could in the same
Speaker 2: kind of everyone. It's funny we we we talk about
Speaker 2: our graneur and our technological sophistication, and yet even with
Speaker 2: all that we know now we have no idea how
Speaker 2: they did some of the things that they did before.
Speaker 2: How did they cut the blocks? All these the same size?
Speaker 2: How do they fit them all together? How did they
Speaker 2: lift some of them fifty hundred tons, one thousand tons?
Speaker 2: How did they lift them? How did they move them? How? How, Cliff,
Speaker 2: do we have places like in Ionis with beautiful, huge
Speaker 2: antecide blocks put together? How do we have seamless symbols
Speaker 2: carved between blocks? How do they do that? If you
Speaker 2: are going like this and chipping away and trying to
Speaker 2: make these number one, how would you not make a
Speaker 2: mistake if they're all fitted together? Imagine that, Oh Cliff,
Speaker 2: just oh shoot, Cliff messed up the edge of the
Speaker 2: cross here. Let's remove all the stones, carve new ones
Speaker 2: put them back again and then try to do it again.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense because the way that they
Speaker 2: seamlessly passed between blocks, it's almost like they had like
Speaker 2: a laser technology, and it's been speculated by some like
Speaker 2: Randall Carlson and I have been talking about whether or
Speaker 2: not it's some kind of like a plasma technology, but
Speaker 2: we honestly, we don't know. We have no idea how
Speaker 2: they cut, moved, put them in place, and then carved
Speaker 2: symbols and motifs into them. We don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us a little bit about olion and tempo
Speaker 1: in the Sacred Valley. I'm always curious because there seems
Speaker 1: to be a lot of tolleric energy around these megalithic
Speaker 1: stone sites, and you posted some photographs. I think one
Speaker 1: of the stones that you're it's a wall. Each stone
Speaker 1: ways about eighty tons or an amazing amount of But
Speaker 1: I've talked to people who have been there, and I
Speaker 1: haven't been there for over twenty years, and there's there
Speaker 1: are people who are sensitive are noticing that in certain
Speaker 1: parts of the walkway leading to those areas there is
Speaker 1: an energy present. Yeah, you can actually feel it.
Speaker 2: I definitely feel those in ancient sites. Oyonte Tombo is
Speaker 2: a very magical, enigmatic and mysterious place. The Inco were
Speaker 2: clearly there building on top. But the I would say
Speaker 2: of anywhere that it's it's more obvious, it's definitely there
Speaker 2: because the incon crude stone work sits on top and
Speaker 2: adjacent to these colossal pink granite and regular granite stones
Speaker 2: out of Oyonte Tombo that are like you brought up.
Speaker 2: They're massive, they're massive, and they're beautifully put together, seamlessly
Speaker 2: put together. And on the stones that you're referring to,
Speaker 2: there's a type of almost like an altar site that
Speaker 2: has six giant columns that are over fifty each, these
Speaker 2: enormous blocks or six of them again that's sacred number six.
Speaker 2: And on those on those blocks are sets of three
Speaker 2: chiicanas with three pumas that repeat itself over and over again.
Speaker 2: Now the puma is like a guardian like we see
Speaker 2: in I. Honestly you with the griffin in the Lion,
Speaker 2: and in Oyanti Tombo they have these chicana designs right,
Speaker 2: these stepped pyramid designs, which I will point out the
Speaker 2: entire concept of the chicana came from the step pyramid
Speaker 2: design in Vaughan that's just stacked on top of each other.
Speaker 2: So if you take the step pyramid and then you
Speaker 2: put another one on top and below, and you combine them,
Speaker 2: you get the chikana, And so you get these further
Speaker 2: parallels and connections across the world. Now, we made a
Speaker 2: big discovery to Oyanti Tombo that I did not know about.
Speaker 2: Not just the important spring called the Bonio de la Nousta,
Speaker 2: which has the same design we were exploring, but there
Speaker 2: was a stone, a megalithic single stone in the courtyard
Speaker 2: that's been super overlooked, never heard anyone mention it or
Speaker 2: talk about it. And I saw it and I was
Speaker 2: like floored because here you had an exact replica of
Speaker 2: the three level stepped design, not the full jacana, just
Speaker 2: the top part like we see in the kef Bab
Speaker 2: relief with the door cut right in the center of it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like identical to the Lake Vaughan area. So,
Speaker 2: like you said, we have some kind of a blueprint
Speaker 2: of sacred knowledge that teachers seem to be traveling around
Speaker 2: the world and then creating a sister type of civilization
Speaker 2: that emerged out. And then what do we find whatever
Speaker 2: that super global civilization all everywhere. Right, We have evidence
Speaker 2: in midl of Mexico, throughout Peru, well throughout Bolivia, even
Speaker 2: parts of Ecuador, throughout Egypt, Babeck, Lebanon, Vaughan, Turkey, throughout
Speaker 2: parts of India and China and Japan. We have evidence
Speaker 2: of similarities of a civilization that seems to emerge that
Speaker 2: all shared the types of technologies to create these unbelievable
Speaker 2: things like Kailasa Temple in a Laura Caves, India, and
Speaker 2: the largest single cutout of a mountain basal volcanic basal
Speaker 2: in the world. None of the hundreds of tons of
Speaker 2: debris has ever been found that excavated it, Like, the
Speaker 2: whole thing just exists and nobody knows how it got
Speaker 2: there there. This is part of what we are exploring
Speaker 2: as being a history that has been not acknowledged at all,
Speaker 2: about us being from a time period and from the
Speaker 2: lens of being very powerful, very smart, very dehisticated, and
Speaker 2: having a very different kind of civilization that we do now.
Speaker 2: And if anything, I could say, I think that we
Speaker 2: could learn more from them than they could learn from us.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with today's guests. Matt Lacroix, talking about his research and
Speaker 1: new discoveries in South America, will rejoin you shortly. My
Speaker 1: guess today is Matt Lacroix, an author and researcher who
Speaker 1: has spent a good deal of time in Turkey and
Speaker 1: in South America looking at evidence from our ancestors and
Speaker 1: just how sophisticated they were. You know, I'm curious, Matt.
Speaker 1: Do you think that because we don't recognize their science
Speaker 1: and their science being earth based to lurk energy to
Speaker 1: make energy, that we discount them and we prefer not
Speaker 1: to consider earlier civilizations or is it just the arrogance
Speaker 1: of this current scientific paradigm that we we don't look
Speaker 1: to pass at epochs as being sophisticated.
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of both. So the first
Speaker 2: core concept, and I hear this all the time. Someone
Speaker 2: will be like, oh, I love ancient civilizations and then
Speaker 2: they'll show me some primitive stone monoliths from like Scotland
Speaker 2: or something yea, and they're like see, and I'm like
Speaker 2: that area was under ice caps. It was inhospitable during
Speaker 2: the younger dryais and before. It's not the kind of
Speaker 2: stone work I'm looking for. And I always it always
Speaker 2: comes up over and over and over again. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying those sites aren't incredible, yeah, but it's it
Speaker 2: comes up over and over again that if something is old,
Speaker 2: it's primitive. That mindset has been entrained within people that
Speaker 2: anything that is really old has to be primitive look primitive.
Speaker 2: And I think that that actually is a big one
Speaker 2: because it causes people to overlook any of these enigmas
Speaker 2: and mysteries simply because well, it couldn't have been old
Speaker 2: because it's not primitive looking, So it immediately gets thrown
Speaker 2: into the category of well, it's probably not as old.
Speaker 2: So that's the first one. The second one is what
Speaker 2: you brought up with, this idea that anything that's grand
Speaker 2: and sophisticated couldn't possibly be from that all the time period,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't go along with the fact that maybe
Speaker 2: we're not quite as like you said, our egos and
Speaker 2: our idea that we're the pinnacle of all of civilization
Speaker 2: may not quite really be right. And I think that
Speaker 2: is a hard pill for some to swallow when they
Speaker 2: talk about this, because I don't know why people need
Speaker 2: that or think that that's important. The other thing I
Speaker 2: think that is a little bit frustrating to me is
Speaker 2: that people want something ancient to be from where they live,
Speaker 2: and if it's not, they're not as interested. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what does it matter. We're just humans, we're earthlings. Why
Speaker 2: does it matter if it's where you live. Nationality and
Speaker 2: pride from where you live should have it shouldn't matter
Speaker 2: of your curiosity of something ancient. But anyway, those are
Speaker 2: the things that I think get in the way of
Speaker 2: the thinking mindset that we should be shifting to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And on that note, Matt, you have are working
Speaker 1: with Lydia. Lydia has a wonderful book where she believes
Speaker 1: these ancient temples were set on what she calls geal
Speaker 1: magnetic anomalies purposefully because our ancestors understood that these energies
Speaker 1: were beneficial to us psycho physiologically, mental, body, and spirit.
Speaker 1: And what is her contribution to your group? Because her
Speaker 1: work is so unique and what Arturo, her husband is doing,
Speaker 1: is also unique. Are you reclassifying temples now, because that's
Speaker 1: what I see happening is the reclassification of ancient sites
Speaker 1: to possibly be not only older, but to be to
Speaker 1: have been out by this toleric energy science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that so Lydia is a geobiologist and she
Speaker 2: brings with her husband being a sacred geometry architect. Right,
Speaker 2: we bring they come together as a wonderful core package
Speaker 2: to explore sites like I Honis and others like, we're
Speaker 2: just mentioning for what are the properties energetically, like you said,
Speaker 2: cleric energy and geomagnetic properties. What kind of fields are
Speaker 2: created or left over from these things? What was their intention?
Speaker 2: A lot of I find frustration and a lot of
Speaker 2: comments and people that say, why do you call everything
Speaker 2: a temple? Why? Why is this a temple? Why? Why
Speaker 2: why can't it be something else? Why is why would
Speaker 2: we not think it's something like that? First of all,
Speaker 2: let's separate a temple from having a religious purpose. I
Speaker 2: think maybe that puts people off because of the nature
Speaker 2: of some monotheistic religions today. I want to just we
Speaker 2: need to set opate those very very differently. First of all,
Speaker 2: if you were creating a structure that had alignments to
Speaker 2: stars and the energy of the Earth, and you were
Speaker 2: had something that was based on this divine knowledge of
Speaker 2: the cosmos and balance of Earth. It would be a
Speaker 2: type of temple. That's the whole purpose behind it. It's
Speaker 2: not a place where people would like be like an
Speaker 2: Airbnb or something, or something where they would like go
Speaker 2: to side laws and rules like a courthouse. No, it's
Speaker 2: the ancient loss civilizations valued things very differently than we
Speaker 2: did today, and I think to them, the idea of
Speaker 2: creating sacred places that were designed based on movements of
Speaker 2: the sun, based on energies of the earth, was the
Speaker 2: ultimate thing to build. There was nothing greater than that.
Speaker 2: So it shouldn't be a surprise to many that that
Speaker 2: functionality of many of the places around the world that
Speaker 2: we're exploring is related to some kind of a temple
Speaker 2: principle that is very, very important and should not be underestimated.
Speaker 2: What would be a more important structure to create than that,
Speaker 2: That's the question that I ask. If people think that
Speaker 2: that's not a good use of those what would what
Speaker 2: else would you do you do? What else would you
Speaker 2: make that would have a greater purpose than that? So,
Speaker 2: getting back to what Lydia is doing, we are exploring
Speaker 2: the properties of each site from the lens of archaeology
Speaker 2: of geology, right, what kind of stone was it built
Speaker 2: out of? Will the stone has mineral properties within it
Speaker 2: that have energetic properties? How did How were the stones
Speaker 2: designed and placed within structures to map things like the
Speaker 2: movement of the sun. We know that many of the
Speaker 2: sites around Vaughan are solar temples. We see sun symbols shown,
Speaker 2: We see the way that they're built. For instance, ionis
Speaker 2: the opening of the Susi Temple. The inner temple faces
Speaker 2: directly west, meaning that when the sun's setting in the sky,
Speaker 2: it would come into the inner sanctum and illuminate what
Speaker 2: I believe is the altar and creates some kind of
Speaker 2: a synergy of energy. And so we'll be going and
Speaker 2: exploring those sites with with Lydia and Arturo to investigate
Speaker 2: those properties. You know, what, why were they created like that?
Speaker 2: Why are these pillars placed in a square around it
Speaker 2: with an opening that has very specific type of stone,
Speaker 2: very very specific location like you mentioned, with a spring
Speaker 2: systems underneath and stone that is highly magnetic or you know,
Speaker 2: geomagnetic properties to it. We see that constantly, and for
Speaker 2: instance at Napa Glacia right next to Ayanti Tombo. It's
Speaker 2: well known that if you take a compass and you
Speaker 2: put it on top of the central three doorway stone,
Speaker 2: the compass spins because of the magnetite present there. So
Speaker 2: you have these geomagnet anomalies present at these locations that
Speaker 2: may play a very big role in why they were
Speaker 2: chosen the first place and why what kind of properties
Speaker 2: that these ancient people were looking for enhancing amazing.
Speaker 1: So when do you expect or would you predict that
Speaker 1: this documentary is going to be released to the public,
Speaker 1: because you're still heavy into it, so it could be
Speaker 1: another couple of years, right.
Speaker 2: No, No, no, definitely not. We had initially planned on
Speaker 2: filming in twenty twenty four. It didn't happen, but it
Speaker 2: was It was a godsend because we had the team doubled,
Speaker 2: We had all kinds of experts joined that we didn't have.
Speaker 2: We ended up making major new discoveries and connections that
Speaker 2: led to the underwater Vaughn work being one of the
Speaker 2: focuses now of the documentary. But not only that, everything
Speaker 2: was coming together that needed to, it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 2: time yet, and so subsequently we're now and the process
Speaker 2: where everything will be filmed in twenty twenty five and
Speaker 2: the plan, and this is the hope, is that the
Speaker 2: documentary will be released before the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and we're going to go through film festivals and hopefully
Speaker 2: have some specific theatrical releases, and then eventually we're going
Speaker 2: to find a good home for the documentary on something
Speaker 2: like Netflix or Amazon or something. Well, well, we'll figure
Speaker 2: out where the right home will be for that.
Speaker 1: I hope it's Netflix because they have a very good
Speaker 1: audience for just what you're doing, so it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to give high praise to Graham Hancock.
Speaker 2: First the Ancient Apocalypse. He opened to paved the door
Speaker 2: to open it up, and like like I have talked about,
Speaker 2: is Graham has done great work to establish this and
Speaker 2: open up the door to it. Now what we're doing
Speaker 2: is taking it the next step, next step further. Now
Speaker 2: we're connecting symbols, connecting the sites in a way that
Speaker 2: has not been done yet and so we I think
Speaker 2: it would be a great home for it to live,
Speaker 2: and we're hoping that it does end up somewhere like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, as we conclude, Matt, you're a research
Speaker 1: investigator and you're excited about finding ancient history, But what
Speaker 1: would you like to leave the audience who's following along
Speaker 1: with you. Why is it important to rekindle and re
Speaker 1: establish these ancient civilizations?
Speaker 2: You know, one of the profound things that has come
Speaker 2: out of my conversations with Randall Carlson is this idea
Speaker 2: that what we see left over is not simply just
Speaker 2: luck of the draw remnants and it's like, oh, maybe
Speaker 2: we can glean something from him, but more like a
Speaker 2: scavenger hunt of ancient knowledge that was deliberately left and buried.
Speaker 2: In many cases, that's a key point. Not random places
Speaker 2: like I Honus have been shown evidence is showing I
Speaker 2: honest and keft. Collesi was deliberately buried by the Urartians,
Speaker 2: meaning they knew was very important, and they were in
Speaker 2: a volatile time period and they buried it for a
Speaker 2: completely different time, like a time capsule. Now, that whole idea,
Speaker 2: I think is profound because so many people believe that
Speaker 2: if we're going to understand where we're going in the
Speaker 2: future and the knowledge of who we're going to become,
Speaker 2: it's about just going forward. But I think it's really
Speaker 2: about going back, because if this civilization that we're exploring
Speaker 2: had all the answers and mastered esoteric knowledge, mastered building,
Speaker 2: and the connections that they had with almost like divinity.
Speaker 2: I want to use that word. It was like they
Speaker 2: were like divine. If they knew that, then, if anything,
Speaker 2: our journey of connecting and being divine with enlightenment and
Speaker 2: concepts in connecting to source really forget about technology add
Speaker 2: I don't really care about that. I care more about
Speaker 2: Earth technologies personally. But for us to have a true
Speaker 2: understanding of our potential, who we really are, what we
Speaker 2: can become, the answers are in the past because they
Speaker 2: left them behind. Again, that was their language. Let's leave
Speaker 2: behind the most divine knowledge of everything universe into these structures,
Speaker 2: both in terms of how they were built, the symbols
Speaker 2: within them, and the things left behind from them, like
Speaker 2: their energetic structures. I think what we're looking at, Cliff
Speaker 2: is not just ancient knowledge about us understanding who we
Speaker 2: are in our power, but through the sacred geometry, architecture,
Speaker 2: and energies of how they were built, it fundamentally changes
Speaker 2: everything that we build in the future. I mean everything
Speaker 2: the environments that we exist in like almost like creating
Speaker 2: magic with like a spring flowing through with sacred stones
Speaker 2: and sacred energy. Something happens when you do that cliff,
Speaker 2: Something emerges, and they mastered that. That's why it's so
Speaker 2: much bigger than just the human potential through our energy
Speaker 2: and consciousness. Imagine understanding that if you create certain certain
Speaker 2: structures with specific types of stone that have energetic properties,
Speaker 2: you can unlock something. And we are just beginning to
Speaker 2: understand that we are unlocking magic that has been forgotten
Speaker 2: from long ago.
Speaker 1: Really exciting, matt real, real fun to hear what you're
Speaker 1: up to. Give us your website and your other social
Speaker 1: media sites that we can go check into.
Speaker 2: Please go to my website, the Stage of Time dot
Speaker 2: com and my YouTube page channel Matthew Lacroix, and I
Speaker 2: want to point out that I'll be hosting my first
Speaker 2: tour that I've done yet that we're going to be
Speaker 2: doing hopefully every year, but September of this year, I
Speaker 2: will be hosting a tour in conjunction with Paul Wallace
Speaker 2: to the Lake Vaughan region with all these ionis and
Speaker 2: keV Callcity some off limits private sites where you get
Speaker 2: to come along with the journey and actually make history.
Speaker 2: Because again, like I've pointed out because archaeologists have not
Speaker 2: put a lot of emphasis into certain megalithic stones that
Speaker 2: have characteristics that point towards being from this lost time period.
Speaker 2: Everything's the same and so a lot of them. Cliff.
Speaker 2: When you're walking around these sites that are not tourist
Speaker 2: sites at all, like it. There's barely any infrastructure. You
Speaker 2: can find things, not things you'll remove, but you can
Speaker 2: find things sticking out of the ground that are part
Speaker 2: of unlocking this ancient history. And that's why we are
Speaker 2: offering a unique type of tour where you can help
Speaker 2: help uncover history yourself and help find these things so
Speaker 2: we can catalog them and then go back in future
Speaker 2: trips and collaborations with archaeologists and do ground penetrating radar
Speaker 2: from drones and be able to lead and be part
Speaker 2: of future expeditions to fully uncover the mysteries of these
Speaker 2: of these ancient places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and having Paul Wallace along too with his perspective
Speaker 1: on Eden is fascinating. I had him interviewed him a
Speaker 1: few months ago and what a bright star to discuss
Speaker 1: our ancient past. So fantastic, Matt Hey, well listen, as
Speaker 1: always a real pleasure having you on the program. Man.
Speaker 1: When the documentary is released, let's have it, you know,
Speaker 1: highlighted here and get the word out.
Speaker 2: That would be great. Cliff, I really appreciated this conversation. Thanks,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely have Matt back on the program when he
Speaker 1: releases this new documentary. I am posting a gallery of
Speaker 1: the underwater temple that he describes. A couple of the
Speaker 1: photographs are excellent. They actually show some of these flower motifs,
Speaker 1: the symbols that we were talking about, but also other
Speaker 1: unusual designs and they're very well preserved, very easy to see,
Speaker 1: which is kind of unusual because you and even if
Speaker 1: it was even just a couple of thousand years old,
Speaker 1: it would be eroded. So, as Matt was mentioning, the
Speaker 1: quality the acidity of the water is such that it's
Speaker 1: not eroding these stones. And also look for the walls
Speaker 1: that I'm posting. They're fabulous. They're quite they're megaliths, but
Speaker 1: they're they're really beautiful. So I'm hoping we get some
Speaker 1: good data out of this research match doing it sounds
Speaker 1: like he's got something gone and again we will feature
Speaker 1: him whenever he has his docu mentry done and if
Speaker 1: it's at the end of this year, so be it.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll do a whole program on it. So fun
Speaker 1: to check with him, fun to chat with Matt Hey.
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