WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:20.839 Hey, how you doing. Come on in, have a seat. 2 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:26.480 I'm Cliff Dunning, your host of earth ancients startling new 3 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.359 discoveries from our planet's distant past. I hope you're doing 4 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:34.000 well today. So much going on right now in the 5 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:40.200 world of archaeology, of discovery. And I reported on a 6 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.439 team known as the Caffree Research Project. I think it 7 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.439 was last October. I talked about it and what this 8 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:54.960 is is a group of Italian and English scientists who 9 00:00:55.039 --> 00:01:03.439 got together and reprogrammed a geological satellite. And this satellite 10 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:09.040 that comes from Capella Space in the United States, is 11 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:14.159 used for piercing volcanoes, the rocket of volcanoes to know 12 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.239 if they're active or not. Also used for prediction of 13 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:24.079 some types of earthquakes. They're getting better and better. But 14 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:29.280 what their genius was is they actually arranged for this 15 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.640 satellite to pass over the Giza Plateau and to scan 16 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:40.719 with this special technology the Cafree Pyramid, the Great Pyramid, 17 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.920 and what they discovered was mind blowing. And I you know, 18 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:47.920 it's funny because I was hoping to have them last year. 19 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.200 It looks like we're going to have them. The team, 20 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:56.680 doctors Malega and Bion d come on the program probably 21 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.040 in April, to talk about what they discovered, what the 22 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:05.560 technique was, and also some details on what was the 23 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.680 goal and what was the outcome. Now, what I love 24 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.479 about this is that it wasn't There was no permission 25 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.000 needed by the Antiquities Department of Egypt, and this would 26 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:23.680 have been a huge, huge problem. Unfortunately, there's a lot 27 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.800 of problems when you deal with Egyptians authorities when it 28 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:35.719 comes to scanning, digging, surveying outside of their own purview, 29 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.879 meaning that you typically have to pay money, you have 30 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:44.080 to follow their dates to release information. And when the 31 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.199 earlier scanned Pyramid team, which was made up of a 32 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:53.520 concertium of Japanese, French, and Egyptian scientists, pierced the pyramid 33 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.719 with a mon scanning system, they were they were held 34 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:03.560 from releasing the full analysis of what they came up with. 35 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.199 And we're still waiting after five years to learn what 36 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.919 this cavity is above the King's chamber in the Great 37 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.240 Pyramid looks like it's a huge void. We're waiting. 38 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:17.960 We've been waiting. 39 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.400 We've been waiting, but they are restricted by these somewhat 40 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:26.439 issues that we are talking about. What happens is you 41 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.080 have to go through a process. They are wanting to 42 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.520 hold onto the data, and I'll be honest with you, 43 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:37.159 a lot of this data is pretty significant. It changes 44 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.000 the whole narrative that the Great Pyramids or any of 45 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.439 the pyramids in Egypt were used for tombs. That's all 46 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.960 now a complete revision. There is a revision on that. 47 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:52.439 You can call it revisionist history. And so you can't 48 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:56.439 trust these guys. So what happens is that these two 49 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:03.280 scientists use this Capella Geological Survey satellite pierced the body 50 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:07.800 of the Great Pyramid, and what came back was published 51 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:09.919 briefly last year. 52 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:11.919 So what do they find? 53 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:19.879 They found numerous rooms, They found large tunnels and caverns. 54 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:25.319 They found a what looks like a series of canals 55 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:32.160 connect with deep underground either reservoirs or other types of 56 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.639 tunneling systems that maybe delivered water to the Great Pyramid. 57 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:44.560 They also found, oddly enough, a series of canals that 58 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:50.040 circle the kings what is known as the King's Chamber, 59 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.040 and also venting. Some kind of a venting system goes 60 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:01.480 above the King's Chamber and connects with some other rooms. 61 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.079 So it's beginning to look very much like a machine 62 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:10.519 of some kind, and we know that Chris Dunn, the engineer, 63 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.000 has written extensively on this. This kind of confirms his 64 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:20.279 belief that the pyramid was an active generator of something. 65 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.279 We don't know what. But this new discovery, as they 66 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:29.800 keep refining the scans, is going to blow the roof 67 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:34.959 off the whole thing, and the data cannot be controlled. 68 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.120 But up until now we've been restricted in the ability 69 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.560 to get knowledge. And I have been complaining about my 70 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:48.480 trips to Egypt for the last year or two, not 71 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:50.959 because it's not a great place to visit, but just 72 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.560 simply because when I talk to the field archaeologists various 73 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:02.399 parts of our tour, they are acknowledging that they are 74 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.160 not able to use the latest technology, or it seems 75 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:10.240 they're not willing to use the new technology because they. 76 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.079 Don't want to know anything more. 77 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.639 Now we've had William Brown on here, who's a civil 78 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:20.959 engineer who's done ground penneturing radar the Giza plateau. If 79 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.639 you dig about thirty feet below the surface, there is 80 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:29.120 a temple, there are canals, there are walkways, there's all 81 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:33.120 kinds of very very anomalous features that just is not 82 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.079 allowed to be released. The other thing is people like 83 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.240 doctor Robert Schock have pierced the front pall of the 84 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.279 Great Sphinx and realized and scanned and discover there's a 85 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.519 large room there. We've had people on the program talking 86 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:55.319 about this room. The body of the Sphinx is a 87 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:01.160 large room connected to tunnels. All this information, if you 88 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:06.800 leave it to certain antiquities departments, is not going to 89 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.319 show itself. It's not going to come out. And I'm 90 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.759 beginning to think that this is a planned This is 91 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:16.199 something that they do not want to release. Why because 92 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.360 it shows that either during the Puronic period or before 93 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:24.480 the Great Pharaohs, there was sophisticated engineering going on within 94 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:29.720 these places in the planet, in the in the Middle East, 95 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.519 and they change the narrative. Advanced engineering is something we 96 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.199 don't want to talk about, and let's just keep let's 97 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:41.680 keep dumbing down the whole process of releasing data. The tomb, 98 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.639 the Great Pyramids were tombs for pharaohs. Yeah, right, So 99 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.199 it's not happening anymore. And so we're going to have 100 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:55.600 this Caffree research project with them the primary researchers to 101 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.800 divulge the information. If you go to Earth ancients and 102 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.199 go to image area. There's a number of early images 103 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.519 that were processed of the first series of scans. We're 104 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:14.399 gonna have the newer scans in April and it's truly exciting. 105 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.240 It's very, very exciting to reveal, So stay tuned for that. 106 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.839 Today's programs with Matt Lacroix, we are talking about his 107 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:27.079 latest research not only in Turkey under and his research 108 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.959 was at the Lake Vaughan and what's under the water there, 109 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.240 but we're also going to follow up a visit he 110 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.879 took to Peru in the Sacred Valley, Cusco and some 111 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.960 of the other regions of that and what he uncovered 112 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.759 and its relationship to the Middle East, and some of 113 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.320 the significant discoveries he's made in the last few months 114 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.159 leading up to a documentary that he's gonna I think 115 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.759 he's gonna release probably at the end of this year. 116 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.919 So today's this program is our Hidden History, and my 117 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:12.159 guest is Matt Lacroix. If you haven't been to Turkey, 118 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.559 it is a fabulous country to visit. Not only is 119 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:22.440 Istanbul a cosmopolitan, very modern city, but the people are wonderful. 120 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.000 The food, the beverages are fantastic and of course. If 121 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.720 you're with Earth Ancients, we're going to see the ancient sites. 122 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:34.080 Our tour this year is June twenty second to July second, 123 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.360 and we'll be visiting go Beckley Teppe, the underground city 124 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:44.600 of darren Kuru, the Cappadocia, the hill cities, Carahan Teppe, 125 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.639 will visit Karrahan Teppy and have private visits with the 126 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:54.039 archaeological team that is continuing to excavate that amazing city 127 00:09:54.519 --> 00:10:00.879 and discovering beautiful carvings from deep within Earth's antiquity. 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This is a special tour, it's unique. We'll 140 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.000 be with Sabad Tours and it is not to be 141 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.200 missed again. For more information and to register, go to 142 00:10:46.320 --> 00:11:27.600 Earth Ancients dot com forward Slash Tours. It's always great 143 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.000 to talk to Matt Lacroix. If you're not familiar with Matt, 144 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.960 he is the author of The Epic of Humanity, The 145 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.519 Stage of Time, the Illusion of Us, and he is 146 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.120 really a world traveler on a number of different levels. 147 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.759 What I like about Matt is that he is revealing 148 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.360 evidence of our ancient past through the ancient cultures of Europe, 149 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:55.679 Middle East and now South America, and his work, I 150 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.960 think is cutting edge. We're gonna learn a little bit 151 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.480 more about what he's been up to. We haven't had 152 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.519 Matt on a p for at least a year, and 153 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.039 so I'm looking forward to today's programs. So, Hey Matt, 154 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.200 welcome back to Earth the Ancient. It's great to see you. 155 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.799 By Hey Cliff, great to see you again. As you said, 156 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.639 it has been over a year since we last talked, 157 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.879 and I hadn't been to Turkey and Bolivia or Turkey 158 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.480 and Peru yet, so and now I've gone to Turkey 159 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:23.279 twice and also Peru, so it has been an amazing 160 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:28.279 year of exploring ancient sites and finding new new things 161 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:32.159 and connecting with lots of new experts. It has definitely 162 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.080 been an incredible year too. I would say twenty twenty 163 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.960 four was the best year of my life. It was 164 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.679 really just quite a remarkable year. I feel very, very 165 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:42.919 very blessed for it. 166 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.799 Now, your company's Honest Group or the Honest Legacy. Oh 167 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:53.159 you Honest Legacy. Okay, yeah, talk about your give us 168 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:57.279 more updates on your new group because you we talked 169 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.799 on the email about Lydia de Leon as a contributor 170 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:07.080 as well as her husband Arturo is part of your team. 171 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.080 But you got some others. Talk a little bit about 172 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.080 the growing team of experts. 173 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.200 Yeah, it was very small when we last talked. It 174 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.559 was just a couple of people, and now it's grown 175 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.480 to like ten different experts. It is quite large. We're 176 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:25.159 going to be managing a team that is very unusual. 177 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.840 I don't believe anything like this has ever happened before 178 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:33.200 with top academics that are joining forces. So not just 179 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:39.279 like say, passionate researchers, but actual academics that are very 180 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.759 much believe in the narrative that we are taught for 181 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.919 a lot of these locations, especially Lake Vaughn and Eastern 182 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.039 Turkey is not correct. And so what we are doing 183 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:55.159 is and I will preface by saying that anyone who's 184 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.720 part of the team that is involved in the documentary 185 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:04.159 is not necessarily saying that it's that we are these 186 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:09.519 are lost civilizations. We are exploring the hypothesis and exploring 187 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.480 the evidence to see if that's true. So experts, I 188 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.679 feel very lucky to have We have famous geologists, doctor 189 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:22.399 Robert Shock, and he is he's incredibly inquisitive and interested 190 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.039 in a lot of these sites. He had a chance 191 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.120 to explore with me Ionis and keV Callesi and Shaboustepe 192 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:33.159 and some others Coresut as well, which was we can 193 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.440 talk about that was. That was an incredible experience. We 194 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:40.360 did not plan on being able to see what is 195 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:46.000 right now the newest archaeological site in the world. In fact, 196 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.440 when we were there just this past October, they were 197 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:55.200 just uncovering the upper part of the temple megalithic structures 198 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.440 and we were not allowed to photograph or to take 199 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.720 any film, but we were allowed to see what they 200 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:06.360 were doing. And they have found an in another set 201 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:12.639 of ruins and very beautiful hewn uh and a site 202 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:17.159 and basalt stones like some of the finest I've ever 203 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.440 seen in the world, just like perfect like razor sharp edges, 204 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.200 and they're just emerging that from the dirt and the 205 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.279 and the soil around that area, and they're finding an 206 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:31.960 entire temple site on top of this really cool volcanic 207 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.440 knob that sits over a valley over towards Lake Vaughan. 208 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.399 What I find really interesting is that a lot of 209 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:44.440 these sites around Lake Vaughan are not on the highest mountains. 210 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:50.480 They're on these volcanic type of energetic components. And we 211 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.960 see numerous places around that area that are like that, 212 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:58.080 like for instance, Shadows Tepe Alton, tepe korzut Ionis kef Clesse. 213 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.639 They're all on these like volcanic or limestone type of 214 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.840 protrusions that are very interesting energetically. Anyway, so Robert Schock 215 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.679 joined the team. Hans Orheim, a Swedish archaeologist, was in 216 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.360 Turkey with us as well, exploring the sites. 217 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.240 What is he known for, Matt What is hans specialty 218 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.039 in archaeology. 219 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:24.279 Hans Orheim specializes He's done a lot of things in Peru. 220 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:28.120 He's actually been part of some excavations teams down in Peru. 221 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.639 He's done a lot of excavations in places where he 222 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:37.240 lives in Sweden, so excavating like Nordic and pre Nordic cultures, 223 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.519 so he brings that area of expertise. He's written a 224 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.960 number of books where he's also explored Egypt and he 225 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.720 is very much a supporter of the idea that there 226 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.320 are you know, loss evidence of lost civilizations that pre 227 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:57.240 date the Holo scene in the from from an earlier 228 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.039 time period before the Younger Driest and so those those 229 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.599 experts are are just some of what we've had joined. 230 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.400 We've had Robert Edward Grant join. We have of course 231 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:15.200 Paul Wallace on the team. We have interesting a little backstory. 232 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:19.000 When we were at keV Kleesse last we came, we 233 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.160 ended up meeting with the archaeologists that were there because 234 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.480 they're still excavating that site and they're finding new, incredible 235 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:30.519 new basalt columns and pillars that are emerging there, beautiful structures. 236 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.160 And one of the archaeologists named omay Er tan Urick 237 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.599 was is one of the ones that runs kef Kalesi 238 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:39.279 and that's one of the most important sights to me 239 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.519 of all, and so we got a chance to They 240 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.880 brought us down to a storage area down in a 241 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.960 jijives a town right below it, and in there it 242 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.559 blew my mind because I didn't know this very important 243 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.319 bo relief, huge four feet by four feet that I 244 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.519 had been studying, that had come from that site that's 245 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.759 that's now being housed in Anchora. Turns out there was 246 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.319 seven of them in the storage area down below that 247 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.960 I didn't even had known it existed, and so we 248 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.279 got a chance to see those firsthand. Anyway, a long 249 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.039 story short, that person Omayer, ended up being so fascinated 250 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.000 with the discussions of what we're doing and following me 251 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.119 online and we had we had discussions for months and 252 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.799 months and months about these sites being potentially pre Urartian 253 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.000 and he has subsequently joined the team as well, and 254 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.240 he's a very high profile archaeologist. Again, he's one of 255 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.279 the top archaeologists at kef Calesse. So we have some 256 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.279 very significant and prominent individuals who have joined, and I 257 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.559 can add some more as well. Another very big one 258 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:55.400 is there is a famous Turkish dive expert videographer named 259 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.680 Tassin Salin who's quite quite well known in Turky, who 260 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:06.000 is who dives primarily in ocean environments off of like 261 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.680 the Red Sea and off of in parts of the Mediterranean. 262 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.920 But he did a project where he dove down in 263 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:20.200 Lake Vaughan to basically film these massive underwater structures that 264 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:25.480 form from the alkaline environments underwater. They're like towers built 265 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:30.160 out of organic matter. They're very very unusual, really spectacular 266 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.119 types of landscapes. Anyway, he was one of the first 267 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.119 to extensively dive in Lake vaugh He dove in a 268 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.599 number of different areas, one being at Aktamar Island and 269 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.799 a few others, and when he dove off of a 270 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.200 Jigives which is right off of keV he ended up 271 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:52.319 discovering these underwater ruins in twenty seventeen under Lake Vaughn 272 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.680 that had never been known about and that has subsequently 273 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.079 really blown up and become one of the focuses of 274 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.559 the documentary. And we can we can get into that 275 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:06.160 as we go along. But Tawson has subsequently joined the 276 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.039 team and he will be leading us when we dive 277 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.440 down and film these underwater ruins for the world to see. 278 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.599 Do we have any dating on any of these underwater ruins, 279 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.480 because obviously if they're underwater, they could be pre flood, 280 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.279 prediluvian and extremely old. 281 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.960 Right now, So the first thing is when Tawson discovered 282 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:36.440 the underwater ruins, the Turkish some some individuals, I will 283 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:41.039 just say some individuals did not believe what he had found. 284 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.799 They actually they were like, no, we don't, we don't 285 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.000 that that can't be true. And he came back with 286 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.000 details about the specific location and he had all kinds 287 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.599 of video of it. And at first, because of the 288 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:01.519 unusual nature of the ruins, meaning so they're extremely large blocks, 289 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:05.880 they're basalt likely we have to investigate, very finely carved, 290 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:10.400 and they're found at a depth of eighty feet underwater, 291 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.400 which makes them by far, by far the deepest ruins 292 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:19.640 that we confirmed anywhere in the world. There are ruins 293 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.359 off of parts of the Mediterranean, off of Greece, off 294 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.680 of Santorini, there are ruins off of Egypt, but they're 295 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.720 not anywhere near that depth, and they're not large megalithic ruins, 296 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.319 meaning that structure is being built. And so these ruins 297 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:42.359 under Lake Vaughan are incredible enigma, and so archaeologists didn't 298 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.480 know how to place them. They were like, oh, they 299 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.720 are our team from twenty one hundred BC, but or 300 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.039 are they like medieval That was even a consensus that 301 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.119 some archaeologists were trying to propose that they were not 302 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:59.119 even from that time, but actually earlier, from like medieval times. 303 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.000 Clearly they had no idea when they were built. But 304 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.519 the problem is none of that makes any sense because 305 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.920 they're eighty feet underwater, and in order to get fluctuations 306 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.240 with that that Lake Vaughn at that level, you would 307 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.680 and I confirmed this. I spent a lot of time 308 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.519 actually talking to chat GDP, which I have found is 309 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:27.000 a very very good way to bounce ideas off of 310 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.039 so because it searches the entire Internet, right and it 311 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.039 has the knowledge of all the Internet. And so I've 312 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.640 had some very very good conversations actually with chat GDP 313 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.039 asking about some of my theories and some of the 314 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.279 things I'm proposing to see how valid it considers them 315 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.880 looking at all the data, and the consensus that's come 316 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.240 back is that the only way that Lake Vaughn could 317 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.079 have fluctuated to that level, which would have been eighty 318 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.920 to one hundred feet lower, which is insane for a 319 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.720 lake It's not like we're talking about a title ocean 320 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:08.480 system or something like that. In order for a lake 321 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.160 to be able to fluctuate to those kinds of levels. 322 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.960 It identified what I did saying it had to have 323 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:19.680 been from some kind of major geologic event, which I 324 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:26.920 have subsequently identified and it has confirmed that, uh maybe 325 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.319 the first person to propose this theory, but also that 326 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:34.359 it has a lot of scientific backing. And again I 327 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.400 asked like, is there any holes in this theory? Like 328 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.839 is there anything that can you can think of that 329 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.000 would not make sense with this theory? And subsequently it 330 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.960 came back to verify and confirm that we may be 331 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.839 dealing with a situation where because of the unusual nature 332 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.759 of the lake and how it was preserved and then 333 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:59.079 the events that led to it flooding, it actually may 334 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.079 give us, and you can appreciate this cliff, the first 335 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.240 dating that we can actually have besides go Beckley Tepe 336 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.519 and the water erosion on the suphinction closure that we have. 337 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.240 We don't because that's all we really have, because you 338 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:13.640 can't date. 339 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.319 Are you saying that chat GBT can give you a 340 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:22.559 reference for possible source for this ruin or what are 341 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:23.319 you saying. 342 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:30.599 When chat GDP confirmed the date, the dating evidence that 343 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:35.640 I was proposing as being valid and sound, and I'll 344 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.799 give you I'll give you a little background. And of 345 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:40.920 course we're going to be going there to film diving 346 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.240 with the whole team in uh in the end of 347 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:48.519 June early July. So what makes this such an unusual situation, 348 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.759 I'll go into it a minute for a few minutes. 349 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:55.119 Here is that when you have a lake that fluctuates 350 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.799 naturally based on like, let's say, rainfall patterns, you can 351 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:02.599 only get a a type of variation that is a 352 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.799 few meters because of the fact that lakes tend to 353 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:13.200 have a more consistent level than something like I mentioned, 354 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.200 like an ocean or something right where you get huge 355 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.839 title changes and then you can get water that locks 356 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.759 up and ice caps in different parts of parts of 357 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.680 history and can lower all that, but that doesn't impact 358 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.960 lakes because they're not attached to the to the ocean. 359 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.039 So in order for lakes to fluctuate, that can only 360 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.839 happen based on rainfall patterns things like that. And so 361 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.519 one what we identified here is looking at is that 362 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.000 how can you have ruins that are eighty feet eighty 363 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:46.279 to eighty three feet underwater in the bottom. Now, the 364 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.480 first question that comes up that archaeologists have asked me, 365 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:54.519 did it slide into the into the lake? And the 366 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:58.119 first answer is, we do not believe it did, because 367 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:03.000 the ruins are bread over an area of a half 368 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.319 of a kilometer of an entire kilometer underwater. And not 369 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.319 only that, the structures themselves are an extremely good condition. 370 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.400 So if you had a structure from earthquakes or seismic 371 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.079 activity that slid into the water, you would probably just 372 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.759 get a bunch of rubble because you would tumble down 373 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.519 into the lake. Well, the ruins under Lake Vaughan are 374 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.519 remarkably intact, showing that it didn't slide in that into 375 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.039 the lake, that it was built in the lake rows 376 00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:37.319 above it. The second thing that we have is we 377 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.000 have incredible symbols that we've connected around the world that 378 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.880 we can get into in a minute, but the dating 379 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.000 evidence is really remarkable. When I was researching Lake Vaughn, 380 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:53.599 I found something unbelievably interesting that Cliff, I think, you know, 381 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.680 it'll be one of the focuses of my new book 382 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.920 that I'm now a third of the way through, called 383 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.400 The Lost Key of the Missing key of history, and 384 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.960 this is going to be one of the focuses of 385 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.920 the documentary and the book is this is what we're 386 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.720 talking about right now. Diving down to this will be 387 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:12.559 like diving down to like a new Atlantis. I think 388 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.200 it's going to be groundbreaking. Now. The reason I say 389 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:20.359 that is that in order for Lake Vaughan to number 390 00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.880 one preserve the ruins, it's because it's the most alkaline 391 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.000 closed basin lake in the world, meaning that it has 392 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.519 no outlets. And what it created was the alkaline environment 393 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.079 created an environment of preservation where everything has been preserved 394 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:43.359 underwater remarkably well. And that what does not happen in 395 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.880 normal lake systems with currents and having a non alkaline environment, 396 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.799 you actually will get a lot of severe erosion on 397 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.519 structures and things, ability for those things to kind of 398 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.000 disappear or disintegrate. But because of the alkaline nature, it 399 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:02.599 just preserved everything remarkably well. Now that's the first thing. 400 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.400 But why is it a closed basin alkaline system. The 401 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.200