WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.720 Well, joining us now is Sheriff Richard Mack is real 2 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:11.199 pleasure to talk to him, and I wanted to get 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:13.720 his take on the things that are happening in Minnesota 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.920 and elsewhere with ICE. And of course Sheriff Mac has 5 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:24.679 Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association dot org ACSPOA dot org, 6 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.000 and he's very strong on the role of sheriffs and 7 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:33.039 peace officers under the Constitution. And Sheriff Mac has been 8 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:38.079 famously involved in Mac versus USA, challenging the Brady Act, 9 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.960 and remember Ronald Reagan signed onto that in nineteen ninety 10 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.359 one but publicly support it, but as actually Clinton who 11 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:49.399 signed the law in nineteen ninety three, and a key 12 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.159 provision of that, which I think is kind of relevant 13 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.679 to what we're seeing right now, is the fact that 14 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.399 the federal law was compelling sheriffs to enforce federal law, 15 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.840 and Sheriff Mac pushed back against that, and the Supreme 16 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.879 Court agreed with him, and so it's something that we've 17 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:10.000 seen now supported many times. People talk about non commandeering. 18 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:14.840 If the federal government has some law or issue that 19 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:20.560 they want enforced, they cannot commandeer state law enforcement or 20 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.480 offices to enforce federal law that was a key outcome 21 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.200 of that Supreme Court case. There's also the issue of nullification. 22 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:31.680 So we've got a lot of people out there saying 23 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.760 we want to get rid of ice, and so I 24 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.879 want to talk about all these issues with Sheriff mac 25 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.000 Thank you so much for joining us. 26 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.079 Sheriff, Well, you're welcome. It's great to be back with you. 27 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.120 And you always bring back a lot of old memories. 28 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.680 Well, that's what happens when we're old, isn't it. That's 29 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:49.959 all you. 30 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.799 Got memories the mac vus. You know, that was my 31 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.760 calling card issue. As a matter of fact, it's the 32 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.319 only reason you and I know each other. 33 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.760 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, let's talk about your take on 34 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.120 what's happening in Minnesota. Because again I know you and 35 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.719 I both know that federal government has the authority to 36 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:12.879 enforce immigration. That is a delegated power to the federal 37 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.520 government by the states, and so it doesn't apply to 38 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.919 the Tenth Amendment protections. It doesn't apply to nullification issues 39 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.960 as well. But then in my mind, there's an issue 40 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:25.319 about how the law is going to be enforced and 41 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:29.599 a disturbing trend that we see of federalization of law enforcement, 42 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.199 which I would think that you would be opposed to 43 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.120 as you support the sheriffs, and I think it's key 44 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.840 to have sheriffs who, more than any others, are directly 45 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.560 accountable to the people because they have to stand for election. 46 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:43.759 So what is your take about what is going on 47 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.280 as we see this rolling out? 48 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.719 Well, I'm glad you reinforced the existence of ICE because 49 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.800 the federal government does have that delegated authority. 50 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:54.439 Yes, and. 51 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.560 How about Article four section four that even clarifies it 52 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:03.960 rather stronger that And boy, wouldn't you love to see 53 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.400 this happen that we actually followed Article four, section four 54 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.039 where it says the United States shall guarantee to each 55 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:13.879 state a republican form of government. 56 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.639 Wow, wouldn't that be. 57 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.719 Wonderful if the federal government was republican and that all 58 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:24.400 the states were republican instead of these made up dictatorial democracies, 59 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.800 which emphasizes America was never supposed to be a democracy 60 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:33.240 in the first place. Yes, right, that alone a dictatorial one, 61 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.439 but yes it's And then right after that it says, 62 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:43.280 and protect them from invasion. And I'd say, after twenty 63 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:47.319 thirty million people have invaded our country, that's probably qualifies 64 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:48.199 as an invasion. 65 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.000 Yeah. I called this an invasion from the very beginning, 66 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.800 and we got some pushback and some criticism from mainstream 67 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.759 media for calling it. We call it, Yeah, that's what 68 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.439 I called it. It was an invasion. Well, they even 69 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.039 and there their debates. They got into the awkward situation 70 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.439 of trying to straddle this idea as to whether or 71 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.879 not people who come here in violation of the immigration 72 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.800 laws were actually committing a crime, whether they were here 73 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.519 illegally or not. And so I think we all agree 74 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.800 on that. I think the issue, however, is, you know, 75 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.079 we look at the end versus the means issue, and 76 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.600 I think that's a very key issue. And when we 77 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.600 look at how this is being done, we have to 78 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:29.639 pay attention to that. You know, we've had the sanctuary 79 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.279 cities that are out there saying that we're going to 80 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.639 get a sanctuary to people who come here illegally in 81 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.680 violation of the law, and they don't have any constitutional 82 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.199 authority for that. We've had some sanctuary cities for the 83 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.439 Second Amendment, and of course, you know, you were very 84 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:45.720 supportive of the Second Amendment. That was the key issue 85 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:51.319 that was there. In addition, to the commandeering of local 86 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.600 law enforcement to enforce federal law. But the central issue, 87 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.160 of course was gun control that was there. And so 88 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.079 you can have a sanctuary city to protect the Second 89 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.160 Amendment or to protect any other rights that are especially 90 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.879 the ones that are particularly enumerated in the Constitution that 91 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.879 we have. But they don't have any authority for a 92 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:13.680 sanctuary city. 93 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:19.680 For immigration, well, the states cannot. And this is really 94 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:22.959 close to treason, probably is treason well, and the Democrat 95 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.959 Party has been committed to treason for a long time, 96 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.160 and even with the immigration issue and nic issue, they're 97 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.600 showing that all the more. But first of all, let's 98 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.519 be sure that we know what we're talking about here, 99 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.439 and most of the Blue states don't have any clue 100 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:45.160 what's going on. You cannot ags governors and state legislatures. 101 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:51.639 You cannot pass quote laws or pretended legislation, as the 102 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:57.480 Decoration of Independence calls it. You can't enact pretended legislation 103 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.920 that violates a lot aw Okay, you can't. You can't. 104 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:08.720 You can't make murder a sanctuary okay. You can't make 105 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:14.240 illegal immigration a sanctuary issue where you're actually giving them 106 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:20.439 asylum and you're aiding and a betting. Read the definition 107 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:24.240 of treason and Article three of the Constitution. You will 108 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.000 see that aiding and abetting the enemy and giving comfort 109 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:33.560 to the enemy is treason. Does it take very long 110 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.519 for you to see what has happened with us allowing 111 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:43.040 and actually encouraging and literally flying them in the cartels 112 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.480 international terrorist groups such as the Somali terrorist groups that 113 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.560 are here, uh, and even electing one of them to 114 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.879 the United States Congress, who is so totally anti American. 115 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.120 We're not just giving her aid and comfort, we're giving 116 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:58.439 her position in Congress. 117 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.279 Yeah, I am so agree with that position on that. 118 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.839 And you know, when we look at nullification, it's there 119 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.839 for situations like let's say we have a Democrat administration 120 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.439 heavy on gun control. They decide they're just going to 121 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.639 take all the guns Australian style. Well, it would certainly 122 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.560 be incumbent on the people at the state level, who 123 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.199 have also sworn to uphold the Constitution, to uphold their 124 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.600 Second Amendment rights and so where that's right, so they 125 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:29.240 would be there to nullify the federal actions that are 126 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.519 trying to violate the Constitution. So these these principles of 127 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:37.920 non commandeering and nullification are very strong important principles there 128 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.480 with the tenth Amendment. However, things start to get blurred 129 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.879 when we look at the actual contours of how this 130 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.399 is working out. You know, is that again we understand 131 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.399 the end of all this, and we understand that we 132 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.639 do want to have borders that are controlled. I just 133 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.079 have an issue when we have a situation that has 134 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.480 gone through Republican and Democrat for the longest time. They've 135 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.480 used this as a football, the open border issue. And 136 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.839 we saw with Trump at the beginning of his administration 137 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:05.720 that was one of the key issues that he got 138 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.560 elected on was to build a wall and to stop it. Well, 139 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.600 they didn't do that, and immediately after Trump got elected 140 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.639 in twenty seventeen, there was a huge fall off in 141 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.680 terms of people coming across the borders because they thought 142 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.800 Trump was going to be really tough on it, and 143 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.240 then they realized that he really wasn't doing anything about it. 144 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.879 So then we started having the caravans. They escalated it. 145 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.480 And so when you have a situation like that, you 146 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.839 have the escalation of Biden coming in and rewarding this, 147 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.399 you have the unconstitutional welfare state that then is applied 148 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.519 to illegal aliens who are criminally here, and you put 149 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.799 them on welfare. I've talked about the welfare magnet. I said, 150 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.519 stop the magnet. I mean, even if you have a wall, 151 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.600 you can be pulling people through the wall, over the wall, 152 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.080 under the wall, around the wall with that magnet, and 153 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:50.840 so you have to stop that. So there's a lot 154 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.840 of things like that that can be done without the 155 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:58.919 phony solution of having an authoritarian federalized police that are 156 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.679 also militarized, who do not have to be accountable to 157 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.559 the law. Evidently, because I see things from JD events 158 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.879 talking about how they have absolute immunity, I don't think 159 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.720 that is the case. And so I'd like to get 160 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:13.480 your take on that. 161 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:18.279 No one's supposed to have aute that includes judges, and 162 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.000 if we would just hold judges accountable, that would be 163 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:26.360 an amazing step towards restoring justice to America. But look, 164 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.080 this is the problem. And I'll quote my Supreme Court 165 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.559 case just real quickly. Scalia actually quote some of the 166 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:40.080 federalist papers in my most powerful constitutional decision. He takes 167 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.600 us through a history lesson and he says that at 168 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:46.679 one point, hence a double security arises to the rights 169 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.120 of the people. How does that happen. Quoting again, the 170 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:57.240 different governments will control each other. So it's actually the 171 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.679 job and duty of the sheriff to control out of 172 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.600 control government. And when they come into the States and 173 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:04.799 say you're going to do this, you're going to enact 174 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.679 gun control, you're going to take guns away from people, 175 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:13.200 or you're not going to do anything about illegal aliens 176 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.960 coming into your country and committing all sorts of crimes, 177 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:24.799 human sexual expectation of children, fentanyl trafficking, and the cartels 178 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:29.039 and international terrorist groups are now joining forces and setting 179 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.600 up shop in America. And that's all happening. And now 180 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:39.320 we've seen, of course, the ubiquitous, humongous, gargantuan fraud that 181 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:45.080 these organizations, that these newly formed illegal aliens have formed 182 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:50.720 all across America, the worst cities being Columbus, Minnesota and Seattle. 183 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.120 And Seattle is right now not going after him, but 184 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.480 they're going after the sheriffs. They're attacking the sheriffs for 185 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.120 trying to help with deportation. Now, let's be very clear 186 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.759 on this issue. Deportation. Whether or not the sheriffs or 187 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:10.360 local authorities help or don't help, is up to them. 188 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.320 No one and I've talked to Tom Moman about this 189 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.240 and he totally agreed with me. No one could force 190 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.440 the sheriff either way. That includes the state legislatures and 191 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.120 governors and ags who are doing trying to do that 192 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.480 in Washington State right now. 193 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:27.639 I agree, Yeah, you can't. You can't force them. 194 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.960 You're independent and they need to stay that way. 195 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.480 That's right. You can't force them to help. You can't 196 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.159 force them to not help, you know, which is what 197 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.679 you're talking about. In Washington. You got sheriffs who want 198 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:41.759 to help a deportation, and the state is saying you 199 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.440 can't help a deportation. But the sheriff is independent and 200 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.679 accountable to the people and taking an oath to the constitution. 201 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.080 So they need to be able to make that determination themselves. 202 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.360 That's what you're saying. I agree with that, And so. 203 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.480 Let's look at one other issue in Minnesota though. Yeah, 204 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:04.360 that was the shooting of Renee Good. First of all, 205 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:10.840 if you look at the technical requirements for using lethal force, 206 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.600 I believe in most cases that are similar to this, 207 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:22.480 that she brought this on, she caused it, and would 208 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:27.720 she Whether she hit the officer or not isn't really 209 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:30.879 the issue. Did she try to hit the officer. Did 210 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.200 she accidentally hit the officer? It doesn't look like much 211 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.360 of an accident. She's she's very arrogant. She's she doesn't care. 212 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.279 She's trying to get in their face. She's trying to 213 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.159 make them mad. I don't I don't do anything you say. 214 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:45.879 I'm not going to do what you say. And she's 215 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:50.320 smiling about it. And then she hits an officer. Did 216 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.000 she kill him? Did she hurt him? Did he have 217 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.519 internal bleeding? Did he I don't care. She hit the officer, 218 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:02.000 and at that point she committed an aggravated assault with 219 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:07.200 a deadly weapon. He has the prerogative to shoot her. Now, 220 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:08.159 let me be very clear. 221 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.960 That's where you and I would disagree. I would disagree 222 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:11.559 that strongly. 223 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:16.679 Let me piny, I said. According to the technical terms 224 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.399 of using lethal force, no other cop there used it, though, 225 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.039 Did they just him? That's right, And I will tell 226 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.759 you right now I would not have shot her. 227 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.080 Well, I'm glad to hear that I would not have 228 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.759 shot her. I would not have jumped in front of 229 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:32.559 the car like he did. We could see that from 230 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.279 his own video. And when you see you know you've 231 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.919 got a couple of different conflicting commands being given to her. 232 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.200 She had let cars go through, including his own car. 233 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.120 And so you know, when you look at that and 234 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.519 look at the fact that she backed up, she could 235 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.080 have put it in drive and run over him if 236 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.600 she wanted to. She backed up, turned her wheels. Yeah, 237 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:55.480 she turned her wheels though, And you can see that 238 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:57.720 both in his video and you can see it from 239 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.000 the initial video behind you. You can see that her wheel 240 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.960 is turned. And so I don't agree with that. As 241 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.000 a matter of fact. There have been It doesn't matter. 242 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.639 It doesn't matter. There was lots of officers around who 243 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:11.279 told her to stop, who told her to get out 244 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.960 of her vehicle at that pint. 245 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.440 Yeah me, Sheriff Mac. There has been a New York 246 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:17.720 City policy for the police department, there are many other 247 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:20.919 police departments since the early nineteen nineties saying you don't 248 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.519 fire into a car if the person isn't using any 249 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.879 other deadly weapon, in other words, if they're just driving 250 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.600 because of a couple of pragmatic reasons. First of all, 251 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.360 you may not hit the person, you might hit other people. 252 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.039 You're confusing the policy, there's two different policies. You're not 253 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.399 supposed to fire at a moving vehicle, and you're not 254 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.840 supposed to fire from a moving vehicle, but if that 255 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.440 vehicle is being used as a lethal weapon, or even 256 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:47.440 but he. 257 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.039 Was standing on the side, he was standing, He's shot 258 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.759 into the side of her car. He was not in 259 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.759 any danger at the point where he fired two of 260 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:56.159 the three shots, and arguably at the. 261 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.799 First seen in court, that remains to be seen in court. 262 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:00.799 Well, again, there's not going to be a hearing because 263 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.200 the federal government has shut down any investigation of this. 264 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.159 And you've got JD. Vance saying he's got absolute immunity 265 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.360 to do whatever he wants. And I've seen conservative podcasters 266 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.519 out there saying, show your hands, obey the commands. 267 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:17.279 Right, but you're confusing civil court, and that civil court 268 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.200 he does not have civil wrongful death or wrongful death 269 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.440 suit is still there on the table, no question, and 270 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.279 they're going to suit, okay, and probably should. But the 271 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:34.720 question is did he believe reasonably that Okay, he got 272 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.519 in front of her, stop your car, stop the car, 273 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:45.480 put the brake on, okay, But still the technical application 274 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:50.720 of lethal force, I believe the protocols were met. But again, 275 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.120 utmost and foremost on. What I'm saying to you is 276 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.559 there's no way I would have shot her. I was 277 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.480 in a similar incident before where I I should have 278 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.440 quote should have shot somebody, but I didn't, and I'm 279 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.799 glad I didn't. And most officers I tell that to say, oh, 280 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.559 you should have shot that guy. Look, taking another human 281 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.159 life is the last resort that any cop wants to 282 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.200 get involved in. And I thank the Good Lord. The 283 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.399 twenty years I was in law enforcement, I never shot anybody, 284 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:24.679 and I prayed for that every day that I wouldn't. 285 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:28.039 There's some cases that I could have never handled. Most 286 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:32.559 shooting incidents where an officer kills someone, it ends his career. 287 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.519 Fifty of them, a little over fifty percent never put 288 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:40.279 the badge back on after that, and rightfully so, it 289 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.879 tears us apart. And would I would have never lived 290 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:48.480 with a situation like in Ohio they had Cleveland where 291 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.799 an officer shot a kid, a twelve year old with 292 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.000 a fake gun. That it was a toy gun, but 293 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.799 it looked very real. I remember that, Paul, that there's 294 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.000 a kid with a gun and he kills the kid. 295 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.080 And I could have never lived with that. 296 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.840 Yeah, and remember that case and I think the. 297 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.279 Good Lord, I never had to, but I couldn't even 298 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.599 if that was a real gun. I couldn't have lived 299 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.200 with shooting someone, especially a young kid. 300 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.000 Yeah, I remember that. And in that particular case, they 301 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.240 got a report and they drive up and it's almost 302 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.039 like he jumped out shooting, you know, it was. It 303 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.119 was just instantaneous of that. But in this particular case, 304 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.720 after she was shot, of course, the reports have now 305 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.480 come out from fire and emergency services saying she was 306 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.640 still alive. They denied medical help. There was the video 307 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:34.759 of a guy saying, I'm a doctor, Can I help her? Now? 308 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.359 Get back? Get back? You know. So we see that 309 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.400 kind of attitude, and that's the bigger context of this 310 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.039 Sheriff Mac and that is the attitude of these federalized 311 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.160 police who are not doing an investigation. They're not getting 312 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:49.200 search warrants. 313 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.039 In a case, no matter what. 314 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.200 Yeah, in many cases, they don't even know who they're arresting. 315 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:53.920 I mean, we just had another case a couple of 316 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.480 days ago of a guy who was a legal immigrant, 317 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.440 one of the among people those persky in China, and 318 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:06.480 they picked him up, drug him outside and sub freezing 319 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.200 weather with like shorts and crocs on, I mean, an 320 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.880 elderly guy throw you know, the crowd is they're filming it. 321 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.880 They throw him in the back of the car, drive 322 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.440 him around for an hour until they figure out that 323 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.160 he is an American citizen legally here, and then they 324 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.720 just dump him back out of his house. Again. If 325 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:30.720 they had followed legal procedures, if they had gotten search warrants, done, investigation, 326 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:32.960 all the rest of this stuff, that wouldn't have happened. 327 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.359 And so that tells us something about the methods that 328 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.359 they're doing. And I think it's also very provocative. 329 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:40.880 I don't agree with any of that. I don't want 330 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:41.480 them doing that. 331 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:42.000 I agree. 332 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:43.960 The question is do they have a right to be 333 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.160 there in the first place? Do they have the authority 334 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:48.759 to be there? Well? They do, yeah, and this is 335 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:49.559 part of the problem. 336 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.000 I agree with that. I'm very concerned though, with the 337 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:53.799 federalization of the police. 338 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.519 Sheriffs are not involved in this enough, and they are 339 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:01.240 there to protect and conserve the peace. Yeah, they should 340 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.200 be there. They should be there every time. The ice 341 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.160 is there. Make sure one that they're following the law 342 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.119 and two that citizens are not getting in the way, 343 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.839 that citizens are being safe and that. Yes, the federal 344 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.519 government has the authority to conduct enforcement of the border 345 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.039 laws and immigration laws. 346 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.559 So what are the sheriffs doing in Minnesota? Are they 347 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.200 just kind of a wall? They are not there in. 348 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.759 Los Angeles and in Portland and goes on and on. 349 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.720 The only one that doesn't like the City of Los Angeles, 350 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.240 as you know, is in Los Angeles County. What is 351 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.079 Sheriff Luna doing to work with the chief and the 352 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:42.799 mayor to make sure that all of this is peaceful 353 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:47.640 and safe. Nothing, And they're not doing anything. So if 354 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:52.160 ice comes in, they come in. Now. Remember historically JFK 355 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.839 sent troops into Montgomery, Alabama, why to make sure that 356 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:02.240 black students could go to college at the University of Alabama. 357 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.240 And they did. There was no violence, but they stopped 358 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:13.799 the insurrection and they stopped the Governor Wallace from upolling segregation, 359 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.640 customs and culture, and they ended it. And I'm glad 360 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.759 JFK did it. But he sent troops in and he 361 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.680 did the right thing. And did he have the authority 362 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.799 to do it, Yes, because the principles of freedom come 363 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.079 first in every state and every county. And if the 364 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:33.960 sheriff's not going to do anything. The chief of police 365 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.480 aren't going to do anything. The state's are going to 366 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.799 do anything. And they're ignoring the violence, they're ignoring the crime, 367 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:43.960 they're ignoring the destruction of our constitutional laws and rule 368 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:49.240 of law. Then yes, the final recourse is the federal government. 369 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.359 I agree, and I don't even know so. And again 370 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.839 we're looking at the end versus the means. And so 371 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.119 you know, when you have the situation you were talking about, 372 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:00.559 it was done peacefully with that and they didn't come 373 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.319 in dressed for war, wearing masks and shoving people around. 374 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:08.240 And so that's the key that I think there is 375 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.559 that what they're doing seems to be almost deliberately provocative. 376 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.920 But I might wear a mask too if the governor 377 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.640 and other authorities are putting it out on YouTube and 378 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.880 Internet who I am and where my family lives. So 379 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.480 this is a catch twenty two that really the states, 380 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.759 like the Attorney general in Minnesota, he's doing nothing. They're 381 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.079 doing nothing about going after the criminals invaded that church 382 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:38.519 on Sunday ice. They're objecting to ice, but they go 383 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:39.640 into a church to do it. 384 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.960 Yeah, yeah, I understand, Yeah. 385 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:45.359 But you don't get to violate the rights to freedom 386 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.440 of religion because you think that ice is violating rights. 387 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.319 How hypocritical, And Minnesota is going to do nothing about that, 388 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.079 And every one of them should be arrested. Every person 389 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.039 who entered that church should be arrested. 390 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:01.440 Yeah, I understand, talked about that. Yeah, and I was 391 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:05.759 glad to see that the Department of Justice used something 392 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.519 other than the Face Act. I was very disappointed to 393 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:10.839 see a lot of Conservatives and Christians say use the 394 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.039 Face Act against them, because the Face Act is basically 395 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.680 an abomination. It needs to be ended rather than used against, 396 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.200 you know, used by you. 397 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.400 It's called criminal trust pass. 398 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.359 Yeah, exactly. And there's plenty of laws to stop this. 399 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.079 And so when we look at things like hate speech laws, 400 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.599 for example, usually if there's a crime, there's plenty of 401 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.000