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Speaker 4: Let's get out to the hot line. Welcome in double D.
Speaker 3: Darnell Dixon of The Daily Herald The Daily heralding was
up double D.
Speaker 1: It's a great term of the year. We've got all
the sports kind of interchanging on top of each other
with football and basketball and so lots to do, lots
going on.
Speaker 4: I love it, man.
Speaker 3: Well, the most conturable thing, the controversial thing, happened yesterday
we have heard about a car crash early yesterday and
it was confirmed that there was a car accident with
one of the BAU men's basketball players. What ensued after
that is that basketball player Kennard Davis Junior was taken
back to the police station was essentially arrested, I believe
for Duy, who's under investigations for Duy, and his vehicle
was impounded. He was later released to address some of
the minor injuries that he sustained in the car accident.
According to eyewitnesses, it was not his fault. He was
the driver, but it was not his fault. Someone else
maybe ran a red light and impacted him. But he
was cited for driving under the influence. We don't know everything.
We don't know about what substance or you know, whether
it was a prescribed medication. You know, he had been
suffering through a achille soreness, kind of a lower extremity injury.
Speaker 4: He was held out of the Delaware game.
Speaker 3: Could have been taking some anti anxiety or sleep medication
prior to boarding the flight that he was supposed to
board in the next I don't know, ten fifteen to
twenty minutes as he was driving to Provo Airport to
hop on the charter. But what do you know about
what's occurred with Kennard Davis junior double d Well.
Speaker 1: The first thing is we all need to kind of
hold off until we know all of the details for sure,
and the Provo police are supposed to be perhaps today
releasing more information. The other thing to consider is this
kind of thing happens all over the country, and with
all kinds of athletes at BYU, it gets amplified quite
a bit because of the honor code. So we do
have to kind of hold off until we know all
the details. But certainly this is a new experience for
Kevin Young to have to soldier through. I don't believe
he's had anything happen even remotely close to this in
the course of his one and a half years with
the program. And so not only the on court implications
of not having someone that is a starter available, but
also the off court implications doesn't mean off the court
to the program and you know those kind of things.
So in the next few days we'll find that out. Unfortunately,
it does happen the day before the Cougars are to
play number four or number three actually this week Yukon,
and so it is a distraction for the team as well.
So there's a lot of moving parts to this, you know,
in terms of how it impacts on the court. The
Cougars were already without Nate Pickens, who has gone for
the year after having surgery. He's another one of those
three and D kind of guys that be what you
recruited to play that sort of the defensive stop er,
three point shooter position, and that's what Kennar Davis had
shown he was able to do. Without both of those guys,
now it falls to somebody else to step up and
take some of those minutes. They might have to adjust
the starting lineup obviously as well. When they did that
on earlier this week when they played Delaware, it was
kind of a disaster. They were down seventeen four to
a team that lost to a Division two team just
a few days earlier. B Why you recovered in you know,
one by eighteen, I think, and so they recovered from that,
but it does upset kind of the system they're trying
to produce and the kind of thing that Kevin Young
wants to do to have a team that gets into
a routine. Then people know they're defined roles. So we're
looking at maybe someone like Tyler Russ, who has not
shot the ball well so far this year, coming in
with a reputation and a shooter. He's six seven, can
play some of those those positions. Kadeem Boop has some skills,
but he's pretty young in his basketball learning phase, and
so this will be something to monitor on the court obviously,
as well as how it impacts the Cougars and off
the court. We're just waiting for the Provo police to
clarify exactly what's going on.
Speaker 3: One thing I'll say about this is it's never justified
to drive under the valance. Whether it's a prescribed medication.
Let's say he was, you know, having trouble with sleep,
he was having trouble with soortness. Like I've taken certain
medications that impaired me. Whether it's ambient or it's a
muscle relaxer or anti anxiety medication, you're still driving under
the influent.
Speaker 4: That is the baseline.
Speaker 3: You should never get behind a vehicle and operate it
if you are under any sort of prescribed and or
if you've drank alcohol or consumed illegal drugs, or even
if it is legal, and it's THC based marijuana edibles,
whatever it is.
Speaker 4: For whatever's been prescribing.
Speaker 3: You cannot get behind the wheel and drive, okay, But
these are things that from a moral stance within a
community that is extremely conservative and religious, and even outside
of that, people want to know about.
Speaker 4: They want those details.
Speaker 3: Do you think that those details will come out about
you know, whether or not he's at fault. It doesn't
sound like he was at fault for the incident, but
then he was later evaluated being under the influence and
he was essentially, you know, held accountable for that. Whether
it was prescribed or not, it doesn't matter. But what
other details do we need to know about this?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: I think the point to make here is that because
this is a police matter, now it's public record. B
why you can't I don't want to say hide it
because I just they can't control the message, is what
I'm saying. So whatever comes from the Pro Bowl police,
any information is public record that anybody can request, and
you know that's it's going to be made public exactly
what happened. So that's one thing to consider as we
look at this. You know, this is not somebody who
is you know, an eighteen or nineteen year old freshman
Cannard Davis is a junior in eligibility. He's played two
or three years already of college basketball, So it is
it isn't somebody who's of age as well. So what
we need to know, I mean, you know, as far
as a journalist, I want to know what happened, what
what the control substance was, and and uh, you know
how how B WHYU tends to react in these situations
as it is related to the honor code is also
something that we don't know, and it may be something
that requires, you know, a couple of game suspension, it
may require more, we don't know. So until those details
are made and then this is interesting because B why
you can make a lot of decisions about honor code
issues that we don't know all the details about, and
we see a two games suspension and we just think, Okay,
I guess that's all right. But this information is going
to come out and it's going to be public record.
So how B why you react in this situation will
be interesting to follow as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. You hate seeing this type
of stuff. It's darnold you've been covering the coops for
a long time, right, There's been plenty of times that
you've been covering the team and they seem to be
on the right track basketball, football, and something like this happens.
Individuals make poor decisions, could be an auto code violation,
could be a legal issue, and it becomes a bit viral.
You know, those that want to hate on BYU. It's
honor code, it's it's policies they put funder the see
I told you so, they can't live up to their
own standards. And if they don't live up to those standards,
they're not they're not holding the individual accountable as they should, right,
that's what they want to say. And there's a lot
of controversy that surrounds these issues. Now, this is a
legal issue, right, so it's a little bit different. There's
autocode issues and there's legal issues, and sometimes they cross
over and they're both. But you've been around the block
many times. It's unfortunate when this stuff happens.
Speaker 1: You remember back when Brandon Davies, that situation rose up
when BYU was just about to be ranked number one
in the country. I think they were like three years something,
and the situation came to light and I did an
interview with a national radio program, and the attitude of
those interviewing me, they were just dumbfounded that anything that
in regards to a sexual act would be grounds for
dismissal from a team. I had a really hard time
explaining the honor Code to them over the phone because
they just didn't understand why that was a big deal.
And so the Honor Code, when it does interact with
these legal matters, becomes, as you said, it becomes a viral.
People under they're like, well, why would you do that
to a college student? That's what being a college student
is all about. And how can they be so harsh
on these young kids. Well, these young kids know exactly
what they're getting into. They sign the Honor Code. It's
clearly spelled out for them. And we, again, we don't
know all the details behind what's happening with Kennard Davis.
And you know, if there's a penalty to be paid
in terms of the Honor Code, he'll have to decide
if that's worth it to stay here or transfer, as
Jake Reslof did with football when he decided he didn't
want to have that seven game suspension, his senior year,
and no one really blames him for leaving, So so
it is difficult sometimes to explain to the outside world
why this is important. And no one at b YU
was saying that they're better than anybody else. They just
try to hold themselves to a higher standard and when
they fail it becomes a topic of much derision by
youth fans especially. But anybody on social media that, well, look,
they can even live up to their own standards.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always you know, there's always accountability and all
these things. And sure, you know, sometimes it's merited. Sometimes
I don't other times it's not. It's not merited from
from those that are accusatory in nature. But Darnell, where
does by you go from here? Like let's say Canard,
Let's say worst case scenario, Cannard is not playing basketball
for BAU this year due to this.
Speaker 4: What does that spell for for b A and A.
Speaker 3: Pickens now officially out due to injury, he's done. Connard
Davis Junior also a prized possession via the portal. How
good is BAU basketball without Nate Pickens and Cannard Davis Junior.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to note, and we've heard Kevin Young say
this several times that this roster was built specifically to
address certain things that that came up last year in
terms of defense, in terms excuse me, in terms of
the three point shooting, in terms of the rotation, last
year's team was eleven deep, and that it was a
really big deal. This year's team probably not going to
be that same level of depth in terms of the rotation.
The scoring we've seen in the first few games has
pretty much been a Richie Saunders and Robert Wright the
third and AJ Devonsa. They're the big three. They scored
seventy of the eighty five against against Delaware the other night,
So scoring wise, probably it doesn't impact as much as
it does defensively. And as I mentioned, Tom ross In,
the six foot seven inch junior, who told me when
I interviewed him this spring after he signed Boyu that
he really prides himself on his defense, and he came
in with the reputation as a three point shooter. He
struggled with his three point shooting so far. Kadam Boop
at six point nine is a really good talent, but
obviously just kind of early in his development as a player.
He might have to accelerate his learning and excel his
ability to contribute Alexi Costik to another guy who has
international experience, a really good three point shooter, he may
have to step up this game. So there are some
options there, but it does mess with kind of the
way and even Kevin Young has admitted over the course
of this preseason he's still learning about this team, because
we ask him, you know, what have you learned in
the first three games, and he's like, I'm still kind
of learning how to approach these guys, how to go
through the rotation, the best plays that work for them,
all those things, and that has to be adjusted now.
And going into a game against Yukon on Saturday does
make that a little bit problematic because now you're asking
other players to step up in their roles against a
top ten team. And so as we take in that
game tomorrow, we'll see kind of how Kevin Young wants
wants to run that and that may change over the
course of the next couple of weeks as we find
out more about Kennar Davis and as other players learn
about their roles. Many deal Monday another guy who is
kind of young in his basketball development, but a lot
of potential. Again, those players are going to have to
accelerate what they can do if BYU wants to stay
in the top ten and continue to go along their
path to get to the NCAA Tournament and advance quota.
Speaker 3: Who I think be what you basketball this year is
to get to I think an Elite eight. I think
that's quota maybe Sweet sixteen. I don't know how you
feel about that. Just quote it then well yeah, and
I mean, look, no, I think that that's the hope.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's I don't know if that's quota, right.
Speaker 3: I think I think getting to an Elite eight is
probably quota. You got Sweet sixteen last year? One step,
one more step in the right Jorge now AJ wants
to win a Natty. If you don't win a Natty,
then it's a failed season. So but let's say that
quota's Elite eight. Does Canardievis Junior's absence in Nate Pickens's
absence lead you to believe that quota maybe should change.
Should the expectation change to more of a Sweet sixteen
type of run this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think the expectation will change, but I do
think it creates the problem in reaching that quota. I
really think that, again, this team was built to take
advantage of the skills of the players on the roster,
and as we go into a little further into the
nil era and the transfer portal era, every team is
doing this and to some extent, whether it's replacing five
guys or twelve guys, you build the roster to take
advantage of what you think that team can do, and
adjusting mid stride is difficult. I don't think the expectations
will change, but I do think that it's going to
be a lot more difficult if Canara Davis isn't able
to play this year, or even you know, for a
few games, if you suspended. We don't know how that
will play out, but that will make it harder for
them to reach any of their goals.
Speaker 3: Do we have any president set within BYU's athletic department
for legal issues such as this, How the honor code
or BYU's basketball or athletic department or its institution will
react to these situations?
Speaker 4: Do what's the president?
Speaker 3: Because like when the j rst LAF thing came down,
it was like like I got calls, right, I got
plenty of calls like, hey, well, Brandon Davies, you know
you have that one. So he's got to you know,
he's got to be suspended, can't play, You should be
kicked out of school, like you know what I mean,
Like people want to hold you to you know, these
prior standards. So do you think there has been a
president's stet for legal issues such as this.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think there's been enough
empirical evidence to show this is how BYU will react.
And the other thing to consider ben is Connar Davis
is being paid to play basketball at BYU. I mean,
I don't know how that changes things, but I certainly
think that it's it's a consideration in terms of of accountability.
What does it mean for a college student who is
not on scholarship and working three jobs and gets in
trouble as opposed to an athlete who is very visible
and is being paid in the nil era to compete
at BYU. I don't know, but I don't think that
this is something that you can look back and say
this is how BAU is going to react to this.
I think it's unprecedented and it will be interesting to
see the results as we move further into this process.
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Speaker 4: Appreciate you hopping out for a cougar.
Speaker 1: Beat Darnell Dixon. Yeah, me, I I write for the paper.
Check this out, Ben, You're gonna love this.
Speaker 5: I talked to.
Speaker 1: Johnny Harlen a couple of days ago. I know he's
he and you were instrumental in this. He's gonna play
the national anthem at the TCU game on his guitar
on Saturday, and it was a great story. I love
writing about this because Johnny he could have walked into
Brian Santiago's office and said, hey, I want to play
the national anthem. Instead, he went to a cattle call
audition this summer with about one hundred other musicians auditioned
to play the national anthem before by you ev it's
crazy that that Johnny would do. But you know, Johnny,
he's not gonna do you know who I am, and
that's not him. But I just find it interesting that
he would. Yeah, I'm just gonna go wear a name
tag that says HI, my name is Johnny and audition
to play the national It's gonna be fantastic. I can't
wait Saturday to hear his rendition of the national anthem
on his guitar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've been I've been promoting this for
a while. I chatted with a number of indiviual Hey.
I was like, guys, like, this needs to happen. I
need to get my my face melted by a guitar
solo at Lavelle Edwards Stadium.
Speaker 4: I need it.
Speaker 1: I want it gonna It's gonna be you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3: So I've tried, look without stepping on anyone's toes too,
cause you know how it is. It's like, you know,
you know, you bring up certain things and you don't
want to be the guy. Ah Ben's kind of pushing
this thing a little bit too far. I'm like, guy,
it's like it's just it's gonna be great. Everyone's gonna
be grateful for it. He's a legend. He's one of
the best who've done it in Royal Blue and he's phenomenal,
phenomenal on the guitar. Johnny Harlen has the largest hands
I've ever seen in my life, and he has so
much dexterity on that guitar. I've seen Johnny play live
multiple times like he rips it bro he melts faces
with that guitar, So it's gonna be glorious anyways, Darnell,
love and appreciate you. Appreciate you writing about Johnny Harlean
playing the national anthem at the TCU game.
Speaker 4: We'll see you there in the press.
Speaker 1: Box, yep, harolextra dot com. That story will be in
tomorrow's paper.
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Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in former BYU Quarterback.
We got Steve Clements on the line. Steve, how you living?
Speaker 5: Oh great man? Can't complain even if I did, No
one cares.
Speaker 4: So I care. I care ab I'm moving forward, buddy,
I care when you complain. Man, I do I listen.
I'm an mpath. I love, I love you know, a little.
Speaker 3: Ideation, synergistic empathy, I guess you know, conversation.
Speaker 5: That's good. Yeah, man, sorlready was tough.
Speaker 6: That was kind of a nasty and all we put
on the board.
Speaker 5: And and it really started early with you know, with
a shake pot which didn't cost us.
Speaker 6: Anything, but then a muff punt after after that that,
I mean only even gave up three points. But just man,
we just kind of we really need to start uh
way faster.
Speaker 5: Than than we did.
Speaker 6: And you know, the defense grind as much as they
could and I mean by field goal, that's all. That's
all they gave up. We just couldn't do anything offensively.
It's just we were out of sync. And yeah, they
were good and they're defensive line was great and they
spent millions of dollars and uh n I L money
and and getting those guys and they're good. Don't get
me wrong, they're good. But you know, it's hard for
me because Texas Tech. It's it's still Texas Tech. It's
just that that was that was a tough one. But
the puzzles that came out of it was obviously the
defense is that's kind of where we're hanging our hat
this year. And that's great because defense was championships. Everybody
understands that and gets that. But again, I think this
is where I still have more.
Speaker 5: Confidence going into this next game.
Speaker 6: Like I go back to the Iowa State game and
beating our rivals and going across the planet to go
play a good Iowa State team and how we responded. Yeah,
after the first half let down, hangover maybe, but then
we turned it on and kind of put it on
them in a big way. And I expect that same
turnaround and response from a very mature football team on
Saturday night, Lovella Edwige Stadium.
Speaker 5: I look for us to bounce back.
Speaker 6: Don't know if it's gonna be in a big way, uh,
but I think it's gonna be a comfortable and out
comfortable enough amount to where kuon Nation's like, Okay, this
is we're back on track.
Speaker 5: Because we still have a chance. Obviously got you gotta
win out, but you gotta.
Speaker 6: Focus on the horn Frogs first and foremost and in
pro tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Steve Klements from the BAU Quarterback Talkings for BAU Football, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The lessons learned.
Speaker 3: What lessons can be learned from the Texas Tech game
that can help you to finish the season out right, Well, I.
Speaker 6: Think we got to do a better job on the
well in special teams. K Pop's I'm not worried about there.
They're gonna He's gonna have that figured out. The three
turnovers were unfortunate, and I think we talked about it
last week.
Speaker 5: We have to win the turnover battle and we didn't.
Speaker 6: We were we had three turnovers, A had zero, and yeah,
that was a factor in the game. Absolutely, when when
two good teams play, you're gonna look at turnovers. You're
gonna look at first downs, You're gonna look at efficiency
on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: Special teams really really struggled. But I think that was
I think it's an anomaly. I think offensively it's an anomaly.
We had some drop passes, we had some things that
didn't typically. I don't think that's that's BUYU football. I
don't think that's the BUYU offense. H LJ had thirty
five yards for ten carries. Could he have got the
ball a little bit more?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Probably, I mean three point five yard to carry.
It's not bad. It's not awful, but it's not bad.
Speaker 6: We just got too far in the hole too quick
in the game. But you know it's defense gives up
nineteen points through three quarters. Yeah, we got to do
something on offense. I'd like to see a Rod throw
it more than probably he's maybe used to throwing it go.
You go back to Iowa State type game plan. Yet
you still got to run the ball. That's still your
bread and butter with Bear and LJ back in the backfield.
But I'm hoping to see a lot more play action
pass and a lot more three and four and five
route combinations offensively in the passing game rather than a
max protect and a two receiver.
Speaker 5: Route combination that we had really the majority of the
game on last Saturday.
Speaker 4: Love that breakdown.
Speaker 3: Steve Klements from er Bo quarterback talkings to b Way
you football, the tee you game right, and at the
Texas school you're well familiar with, having played ball in Texas.
Coach high school ball in Texas for a long time. TCU,
what do we know about TCU? What's your scattering reports
say about the horn Frogs.
Speaker 5: Oh, they're gonna try to air the ball out.
Speaker 6: That's just They've been really good in the passing game
for a long time.
Speaker 5: Traditionally. I believe the same.
Speaker 6: Quarterback had Bourner and fifty or some midd yards when
we got beat got destroyed by them down in Fort
Worth a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: It's the same kid as Hoover kid. He can play,
he's good.
Speaker 6: I think he's ranked top ten nationally in passing offense,
passing yards so and only a few interceptions.
Speaker 5: So I think they'll try to do the same thing.
Speaker 6: They're gonna test us on the back end, which I
don't believe.
Speaker 5: No one really has up to this point. I know.
Speaker 6: Jay hill Is is leary of that. Obviously, he spoke
to it as much this week about their passing game
and how they got to have a coverage and they
got to be tightened up and but probably more importantly,
they've got to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 5: Having played that position, it is very, very difficult to
throw to be comfortable when you.
Speaker 6: Got guys running in your face and you don't know
where a blix is gonna come from, and disguise up front,
or you just have four dudes that can rush the
passer and get to the passer and you can drop
seven in a zone or play some games with you know,
a half zone half man look.
Speaker 5: In the back end.
Speaker 6: But man, if if you as a quarterback you start
looking down instead of up down the field, you're screwed.
Speaker 5: You're in big trouble.
Speaker 6: And so hopefully we can get that get to the
court back before he has a chance to get comfortable,
because well, you had a kid like who were comfortable,
you could be in for a long night.
Speaker 5: So I don't see that happening.
Speaker 6: I think we're good enough up front and in the
back end to get to the quarterback to at least
make him uncomfortable. Just change his platform a little bit,
make him throw from different vantage points in different areas
in the pocket, and I see his.
Speaker 5: Playing really well Saturday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you confident in BYU's secondary right now? In
their pass coverage versus Texas Tech? Baron Mooreton, who was hobbled,
was able to sling it connect and he was able
and capable of moving the ball down field against the secondary.
What do you make of what what happened versus Texas
Tech and and what can be modified or or ultimately
change heading into TCU game.
Speaker 5: Well, I think.
Speaker 7: Because I have so much confidence in Jay to come
up with something for TCU, specifically because Texas Tech didn't
throw it traditionally throwing the ball all over the lot,
but not as much.
Speaker 5: I think with a defense that they.
Speaker 6: Have, they that Morton kitt didn't have to throw as
much to win a lot of games. But yeah, we
were definitely tested and we'll be tested again this week.
Speaker 5: I think Ja he's gonna have a pro you know,
he's gonna have a.
Speaker 6: Way in which to probably bring in a nickel, maybe
a dime every once in a while.
Speaker 5: The guy's so freaking smart. The game plan is gonna
be there.
Speaker 6: It's gonna Yeah, we're gonna have to rely on our
talent and our back end with we haven't really been
tested all that much until Texas Tech, but even not
as much as we're gonna be tested on Saturday. So
I don't feel like he's gonna be a track meet.
I still think our front seven gets to the quarterback
before he has comfortable enough time to throw. But yeah,
we're gonna be tested, and it's gonna be that first
half is gonna bo. I think have a lot of
questions answered in that first half and see how we
do on the front end get into the quarterback. If
you don't get to him early, Boa, we could get
into a track meet, no.
Speaker 4: Doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Any questions looming, questions about the health of L. J.
Speaker 4: Martin.
Speaker 3: Did he seem like himself? Do you think he's gonna
be okay down the stretch?
Speaker 6: Oh, I think he's gonna be fine. I don't I
don't have any qualms about him whatsoever. I think he's
gonna be He's such a big, powerful guy, and I think,
you know, I only got the ball ten carries.
Speaker 5: I don't see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he might have some nag I mean, but everybody
is going to at this point in the see you.
I mean, you're in week ten. You're gonna have the
bumps and the bruises, and your backup is gonna have
to come in and spell guys. I think our depth
is gonna be just fine, even though we're kind of
thin there and that behind him having to bring over
Rex over but from the defense, but so I no,
I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 5: I think our offensive line would be great.
Speaker 6: I think we get back on track on Saturday and
look for a win by I'm gonna say about ten
points in twelve points.
Speaker 5: Love that. Love that.
Speaker 3: Steve Klements here on ESPN the Fan, a little keeping
up with the cougar S formerbo your quarterback talking b
YU football and what's in store down the stretch.
Speaker 4: You have a good team coming in TCU six and three. BA.
You're slightly favored in this game.
Speaker 3: It started out as I think four and a half
point favorite, now three and a half money maybe going
a TCU's ways right now at these points on the spread.
ESPN Analytics likes b YU as a seventy percent probable
or probability of winning.
Speaker 4: And then you take on Cincinnati on the road.
Speaker 3: Is there a game that you're most concerned about on
this final stretch TCU at home, since you away UCF
at home.
Speaker 6: The only concern and the biggest game of the year
is always the next game, and that's TCU tomorrow. Yeah,
that's the biggest game. That's the biggest concern. We've got
to take care of business at home first tomorrow. And
I think we do because we're playing in Provo and
I'm telling something happens.
Speaker 5: It's magical.
Speaker 6: And again I go back and I harp on this
freaking game with Utah and then and then beating the
Iowa State.
Speaker 5: I think this.
Speaker 6: A lot of time, you need a loss to refocus.
And my hope is and I really do feel like
this year that one loss is going to be a
good thing and a positive thing and something that we're
going to build upon. Because we went to Luvick, Texas
got beat by now the what fifth or sixth rink
team in the nation. They have a great defense, they
have a great overall ball club.
Speaker 5: Game day was there and something you say it was
a blowout.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it felt like forty points actually at one point,
but it's not.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, I just I.
Speaker 6: Don't feel as bad as I did after the game
now now that you have time to reflect and look
at the film.
Speaker 5: I know. My dad is an old high school football coach.
Speaker 6: He always told me when I got into coaching, when
you watch film after the game, and how you feel
after the game is any different, It's never as bad
or as good as you think it is right after
the game. Didn't you watch him like, oh, wait a minute,
we had some turnovers here, we had them a pump,
we had a shape punk. Especially teams that play were
like we didn't. We didn't necessarily we got beat. Yes,
there's a difference and get beat and losing. I don't
think we did eat one. I don't know if if
if we play a clean game we beat them at home,
I'm not sure. I think we had to play almost
a perfect game, but they didn't beat us either. I mean,
at some point we lost, and so it was Yeah,
there was probably some.
Speaker 5: I'm sure Coach hill A.
Speaker 6: Rod Klane probably didn't get some sleep that night.
Speaker 5: But if it had been forty to nothing, they'd got
plenty of sleep. If it had been ten to seven,
you don't get any sleep.
Speaker 6: So I don't know, just I go back to I'm
confident in their ability to rebound, whether it's after a
win or in this case, after a loss, just because
I think the mentality is different than it has been
in the past.
Speaker 5: I truly believe that, Steve.
Speaker 3: I'm optimistic that where you can finish off the season
and win all three of these games, they get into
the Big Twelve Championship versus Texas Tech in Arlington as
Fansas media, we can discuss these things in prognosticate. If
b Way loses to Texas Tech again in the Big
Twelve Championship game, they're a two loss team. Do you
think they get an at large bid to the College
Football Playoff with you having lost twice to a top
five team at that time, Well.
Speaker 6: You would hope so, and you would think so as
an outsider looking in. But if I would say, we're
Notre Dame. Yes, we're a member of the Big Ten. Yes,
we're a member of the SEC. Yes, but being independent
for as long as we have been or were up
until a couple of years ago, and playing in the
Big Twelve, it's US Utah and well this year Texas Tech,
and I just, man, I just I don't know, Ben
I think we should be because if your two losses
are away in a neutral site, and let's face it,
I mean Dallas de Lovick is way further than that,
are closer than Dallas to Provo, Utah, So that's really
two away games, and then you get beat by a
top ten, top seven football team both times.
Speaker 5: Boy, it's I don't know. I'm optimistic, but I'm constantly optimistic.
I don't know.
Speaker 6: If it happens, to be honest with you, on paper, yeah,
but a lot of times they don't do things on paper,
and that's obvious. And some of the teams that rank
and how they rank them, and who's in the playoffs
and who's not, and who's member of the SEC and
the Big ten and who's.
Speaker 5: Not it's i mean, eventually we all see it.
Speaker 6: There's gonna be two Super Conferences anyway, and that's gonna
be the SEC. It's gonna be like the AFC in
the NFC in the NFL, and it's gonna be SEC
and Big ten whatever they're gonna call the Super Conferences.
Speaker 5: At some point, there's just gonna be two. That's where
it's all going.
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody, the writing's on the wall and so
you're gonna go from you've gone from P five to
P four, it'll be P two.
Speaker 5: Man, at some point it's gonna be P two. I
really do feel that way.
Speaker 6: And so until that happens, man, it's I think it's
gonna be tough sledding for us to be a two
lost team in the Big twelve and with and being
Bringham Young University. I think it's really difficult.
Speaker 5: Should we be? Yes? Will we be? I don't know
if we will be unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Steve clements, ladies and gentlemen. Steve always appreciate our time together.
Give me a score prediction. How do you see this
TCU game playing out? What do you what do you
make of? Maybe the line as well, BA only three
and a half point favorite. Think it's another nail bider,
close one one score victory.
Speaker 5: No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go twenty, I'm gonna
go twenty seven, nineteen, let's go twenty seven, let's go.
I'm go plus eight.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it all right, Steve, you always appreciate our
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Speaker 4: We'll chat with you against soon.
Speaker 5: Brother always fine, brother man, there you go.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the last thing is the most important.
Speaker 5: Ben.
Speaker 8: As we get down, look, I'm expecting George and Alabama
to beat Texas and and to be Oklahoma to knock
them down and bare you move up into be number
ten if they beat TCU this weekend. And look if
they just stay at ten and they went out ben
and losing this to out a game, that should be
enough to make them twelve. But see brings up a
very ballot point eject data. They should be right according
to what the community at last yer against SMU, you
should and be punished for the conference championship. No one
behind you should be able to move up. At the
same time, with that being said, they might not. And
they've had human nature before. Two lost Big twelve team,
two loss SEC team to lost Big ten team.
Speaker 4: We know what that comes down to.
Speaker 8: So I think that's a very important point as we
get down to stretch because the bau Go stree O
fans might get mad if they're left out. If that
were the case, if they go to Arlington and lose
a Texas Tech.
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