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Speaker 1: What is up fellas Echo's I am dan fa Valley

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coming back at you with more Jensen of the NBA Podcast,

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Fame of YadA Sports, Fame of Forbes, Fame and of

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of course only fans celebrity. We are here to talk

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about Day two of NBA Free Agency, fewer than twenty

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four hours after Grant and I spent about two and

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a half hours going through every single team on Day one,

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so I employ you ought to go check up that episode.

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We're here to just talk about some of the biggest

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Day two revelations, what we think of them, maybe the

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impact on moves to come first and foremost, though more,

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how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I would like to apologize to the

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viewers that have out already turned on off the YouTube

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stream because I'm sitting here in a tank top. But

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it is incredibly warm here in Denmark right now, so

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I'm just not taking any chances I'd be getting a

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heat stroke if I wore a hoodie or something like that.

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So you got to accept.

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Speaker 1: This, I think. But the apology is rooted in the

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fact that you are wearing a top at all.

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Speaker 2: That's true that from your perspective, absolutely, yes, yes, I

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know you have dreams. Maybe one Look, it's supposed to

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get really really hot within the next couple of weeks,

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and by then I'm actually Barcelona when it gets even hotter,

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and I'm gonna do some podcasts, presumably with you down there.

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So if I'm in my hotel room and it's like

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forty degrees Celsius, you might you might actually have to

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acknowledge the fact that you're gonna be live streaming with

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the top.

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Speaker 1: It's more, I don't know if I'll be able to

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focus at that point, but I guess.

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Speaker 2: I guess we will find that all the wrong reasons. Yes, uh, we.

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Speaker 1: Are live, impromptu, live. This one was not a really

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scheduled one. So if you're there and you want to

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ask questions, we will get to them. Pop in the comments,

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like subscribe that whole nine. Let's root for something to

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happen while we're recording. We went two and a half

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hours after day one more nothing happens. But we did

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it late enough. It was like eleven pm Eastern time.

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But I don't want us to do this and then

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something huge to happen, Like I want something huge shud

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happen right now. That's the time for it.

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Speaker 2: Aiden right now would be fun.

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Speaker 1: I said huge, Not the Pacers like trying to reinvent

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the wheel from like what twenty twenty two is when.

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Speaker 2: They gave you DeAndre Aiden is a huge human being.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. That is fair. Look will be like adjacent

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to DeAndre aydon. Let's begin with the Bucks. So I

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was on my way to a doctor's appointment with my

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wife when the news came through that the Bucks were

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getting Turner and then waving and stretching Damian Lillard. You

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can see if you're watching on the screen all their

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transactions from the off season so far up there. Lillard

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has one hundred and twelve point six million left on

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his contract. That means he's gonna be twenty two and

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a half million dollars worth of dead money on the

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Bucks' books through twenty twenty nine twenty thirty, which is

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that's a long time. The Bucks also to make sure

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they had the room to sign Miles Turner traded Pat

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Connaton and two seconds too Charlotte for Vasili Mitchitch, who

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I think is gonna end up saving them more money

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via buyout. Those seconds are in twenty thirty one and

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thirty two then Miles Turner's deal is for four years,

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one hundred and seven million dollars with a player option

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on that final season. Two other pieces of business for

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the Bucks though, They did sign Jerrick W Simms to

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a two year deal player option on the second year,

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and then they also signed Gary Harris for two years

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at the Vets minimum, I believe. And so we went

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through all their other transactions last night we talked about them.

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We have to focus on the Turner, the Gyiannis, the

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dame of it all more. Just what was your initial

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reaction when this all went down.

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Speaker 2: I think the same reaction as everyone else. I was

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a bit in shock because the timing of it all. First,

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the Miles Turner contract was announced, and I immediately went like,

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how like this is something here or south like this reeks,

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there's no way they had room to just sign him

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out right there. Something wasn't you know, capping for me whatsoever.

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Damian Lillard, who wa even stretch like I got admit

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thought that was such a preposterous outline for it. And

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misseason and then the season where he had what was

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that of fifty was it a fifty eight million dollar

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player option? Basically around there basically, and you know, he'd

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norm that stage, and we still don't even know what

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that norm is. So the Bucks kind of looked at

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that and went can we do better? And yeah, you could.

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in giving up access, giving up like flexibility to a

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piece Giannis ant, Do I trust that this is enough

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a year from now? No? I don't trust that. Do

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I trust that it's enough for right now? Probably? But

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in twelve months I'm probably going to be a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all right. And I saw a

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lot of the reaction was I mean, like the Damian

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team for the foreseeable future, you can't just have twenty

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two and a half million dollars or dead money on

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want to say it's a version of self awareness, but

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it kind of the Bucks understand that, like they might

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have two years for you know, a yan like to

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win with Jannis, and they're just gonna have to make

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up most of it and then deal with the fallout thereafter.

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Oh look, more, we do have audio issues, Sean in

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the chat? Is the audio low for anybody else? Let

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us know who is low and mort and I will

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adjust accordingly. What's interesting, Like it just you look at

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it and it just seems like bad process having that

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much dead money on the books. But like if you're

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trying to keep y honest and you have no reason

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to move Jannis unless he has asked for out, And

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so I keep coming back to the question of what

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else were they supposed to do this season? Like what

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did you want? Like what did you want them to do?

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If you wanted them to trade Jannis? That's fine, Like, Okay,

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that's like a fair that's a fair like point to make,

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but like proactively moving him when you don't control your

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own draft picks moving forward. We've talked about that at length.

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the move to do something like this for and it

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also because Miles he struggled in the playoffs. Kaitlin Cooper

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already wrote about it, like, particularly in those minutes without

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had that that wasn't great for him. And now you're

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going to a situation Milwaukee where okay, you have Giannis,

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but like you don't have an A plus playmaker on

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this team that's gonna necessarily bring out the best in him.

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in the postseason, but again, Miles Turner was barely playable

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like in certain stretches. So I look in mel in

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the chat, I would agree that this proves that Giannis

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doesn't want to leave. I'm I'm so interested to see,

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like what else comes from this. I think the Bucks

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like they have a good team. I don't know if

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you can sit here and say they're gonna be a

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lot better, even like in a playoff context than they

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would have been this season that Dame been healthy. And

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just wondering, is like, what's next? Is it if you're

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the Bucks more, does this make it more likely that

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pick on the table now plus a swap? Or is

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it we're still trying to bide times that we have

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access to three first round picks next summer, because the

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one that you would draft with you'll get the less

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favorable I think of their own in New Orleans. And

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then you can trade two future picks in thirty one

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and thirty three plus that twenty thirty two swap. What

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do you think the plan there is?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, the more picks you have at your

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disposal the better, because then you can kind of use

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Kyle Kusmas then expiring contracts as some type of salary filler.

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money of twenty two and a half million, which is

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what thirteen point six percent of the salary cap. That

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is not an insective, insignificant number. So you'll have to

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figure out what where do we go from here is

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the Kyle Kuzma plus Bobby Portis trade plus the picks.

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I would appreciate if they are going all in. If

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that's their approach, and so far over the course of

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Giannis's career there we've seen that the Bucks will basically

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turning over every rocket, just going okay, sure, whatever acid

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we have left, like, let's throw in the peanut butter

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jelly sandwich in the kitchen as well, let's throw everything

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we have into virtually every single trade just to get

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marginally better. So I do appreciate that level of foresight. Forum.

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picks in hand, movable contracts, yeah, I don't see why

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they wouldn't, because it does feel like they've sort of

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appeased him for one year and then next year something's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there If he has out now,

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then why would you do this with just the guarantee

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of a year it's well, if you're trading Yannis next summer,

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like what are you trying to do the next four

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years rebuild? So like, yeah, that' twenty two and a

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half million dollars in dead money is still an ideal,

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but it's not going like you're not waste necessarily wasting

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this huge opportunity on you're propping up a contender. Uh,

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right because you're kind of just living year to year

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now with Yannis and that it's really like it's unsettling.

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massive expiring contract next year. Now you still have the

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Kuzma money, the Turner money, the Portus money, but Kuzma's

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the only one of those guys that will be expiring.

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So there's the impact your trade offers at all. I

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if you know Yiannis, you don't like you know Yannis

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is eventually not gonna be there, if that's your belief,

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or you're just worried about what the Bucks look like

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five seven years down the line, Like, are they ever

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gonna have the best offer for someone when you put

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let's say they wait, are you ever gonna have the

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best offer for anybody? I don't like that. That's what's

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also very tricky about this. So I look, Miles Turner

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makes sense stretch five next to Gianness, who can protect

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has different layers to his offense now too, Yeah, I

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think does? I think the contract is fair, and I

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get what the Bucks are doing, but this doesn't make

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to be back next year, and so I guess that's

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why my perception of this is all sort of warped.

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I think their business, like everything else, has just been fine,

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like the Gary Trent and Bobby Portis's junior contract is fine,

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and then the Trent Slash tryan print stuff of oh,

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we'll have your early bird rights next year, which is

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like the way they got them back on these deals.

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I get it. I don't feel necessarily good about it,

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you think he would have been back regardless. I feel

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as though he's basically told them, look, we have to

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take steps, like I have to see something.

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but then he tweets or Zeke's what do they call?

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going on. Essentially, I'm like, maybe he didn't see them

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waving and stretching Lillard, But if you wanted Myles Turner,

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you wanted them to do something, did you not think

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that there was going to be collateral damage as part

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and I think he's a fantastic teammate, don't get me wrong,

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like everyone who leaves is his brother, but they leave

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after he essentially demands that the Bucks need to do

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something big, which it's it's just funny. I don't fault

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him for I mean, Lebron's done way worse than that.

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sort of a funny trend. And for anyone who's still

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if there's still audio issues, I did bump mine up

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more to one seventy five. Okay, So if this ends

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up being too loud for people, I'm gonna be very

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mad at the three people and the Chattow claim were

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too low. It's only with you the sound issues and materializing.

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I don't know, I blame you by extension.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. I have I have equipment that's too good

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and messes up. Yes, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: It's like that friends quote where it's the more muscles

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you have, the more they spas him out of control.

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sort of something that's so I guess when you said that,

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you're I'm uneasy about this in general, you're not more

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easy about next summer. Did we kind of settle on

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what makes the most sense for them to do when

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it comes, because they're all in right now. I think

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you could argue, but it almost is like if I'm

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the Bucks, like, I almost don't want to make the

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all like because now I want to buy myself another

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year next summer, where it's hey, this is what we

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did to keep you honest interested now, and it's oh,

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can we then go ahead and look, we just traded

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these first round picks to get some and so so

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you're buying yourself two years almost. That might be the

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way they're looking at this, and I think that's that's

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just the smart play there, or relative to their situation,

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is probably the smart play. I found this fascinating. I

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did not see this coming, but it's just I think

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if you're a team that wanted you, Honis, and especially

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one that like maybe was a little asset limited and

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you needed some more assets to open up, like if

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you're the Heat, if you're the Knicks, if you're the

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Spurs and just want more information on what's in place,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good catch because now you can

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go in the Spur specifically, because I still think that's

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the team right, Like they have so many young guys,

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another year of them, like if Steph Castle takes another leap,

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like if he becomes a dependable shooter, for example, his

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trade value just like skyrockets and that would give more

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data to the Bucks, like, oh, can he be our

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fundamental piece? What about Dylan Harper if he's a Rookie

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of the Year candidate, Maybe there's something there that's a

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really good point. There are definitely going to be teams

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that are are going to be monitoring this very intensively

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over the next twelve months. For sure. The thing to

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me is just it all comes back to Gianni's because

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it does feel like if the entire organization's key focus

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is make Gianni's happy, make him stay, to the point

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where they're basically just saying we want him back more

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than we actually want to build a contenter, you know

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what I mean. So there's a part of this a

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little afraid that if you keep having this very singular

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mindset of Janis Yiannis, the satisfaction of Giannis, you're going

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to perhaps loose out on some interesting avenues and and

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maybe actually try to do what he wants you to do,

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which is build a contender. But now's done is done,

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Like the they're gonna have alutered on the books for

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the next five years of dead money that can't really

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can't really turn back the clock down. Stuff.

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Speaker 1: They're just gonna come a point and this was I

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think this was part of their calculus, is that there

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will just be a time where that money's on the

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books and Gianness is not. And at that point of

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Giannis is not on the books, that money that it

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is on the books really just doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Disappointed not man Suns fan says, is Bradley Beal the

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next wave and stretch candidate. It's a possible. I mean,

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Phoenix is probably jealous because they legally can't just wave

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and stretch Bradley Beale right now because you can only

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have I think it's fifteen percent of the salary cap

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in dead money on your books and be because of

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specifically this yere Little and EJ. Liddell who they waved

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and stretched last year. If you wave and stretch Bradley

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Beald his current number, it's over that fifteen percent. So

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you need Bradley be able to give up money, which

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Eton gave back ten million to Portland, It's like I

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think you need Bradley be able to give back fourteen

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million for the Sons to be able to legally do it.

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So if you're him, you'd have to say, for me

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to break even over the next two years, I need

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a two year, fourteen million dollar deal. I would assume

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that's out there for him, But I also think that

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when you're in the Sun's situation, where you have even

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fewer assets than Milwaukee, that you probably don't want that

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dead money on your books.

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Speaker 2: I had not seen the aid. In fact of him

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giving up ten that surprises me.

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Speaker 1: It makes me think, like, well, I mean, the teams

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that have been most interested in it seems or the

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Lakers have been mentioned. They have the non tax mL

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after losing dorian Phine Smith. Now the Pacers without Miles

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Turner could be so it feels like he could just

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get ten million bucks from one of those teams specifically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I wouldn't hate that.

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Speaker 1: This the Bucks team. What do you think they're still

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missing when you kind of look at the lay of

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their depth chart? Now, is it it feels like a

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like a guard, a general, a game manager type.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they have a lot of size, which is great,

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but like who is their point guard? Who is their

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decision maker? If you're if you're going to put that

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responsibility on Jihannis over the course of a full regular season.

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This as going to be toast when they reach the playoffs,

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if they even do so. I mean, look, they something's

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got to give here, there's something still in play. There

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are not done. Was it? Did they have to decline

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the qualifying offer for Ryan Rollins?

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to depend on what happens was

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with me sich or are they able to cut more

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money somehow because they're working within very thin margins at

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the moment, and that would be if you lose Ryan Rollins.

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I know that he's not gonna be an All NBA

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player next season, but that's a pretty big deal. If

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you can't bring him back.

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Speaker 2: It's enormous deal, Absolutely enormous deal, to the point where

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I would just wonder what their plan is, like, hey,

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carry Trent want trying to be a playmaker, Like no,

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it's this is why I'm promising of what the Bucks did.

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Although I do appreciate the balls it took here to

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pull this off, Like I have to respect how dedicated

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there are in this mission, but it felt desperate. It

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still feels desperate. There's a point here where you're looking

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at that roster, you're looking at the future commitment and

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debt money, and it's gonna be so hard when they

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have to like round out a roster, you know what

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I mean, because they can't you have twenty two and

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a half billion that so many other teams will use

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like round yed roster, Like, oh, we're up against the

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first a print whatever, Like we have this little level

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of space. You don't have that space. That space is

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occupied and it's not on the floor. Yeah. I don't

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know what to think here. I don't know what what

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point guard to go after? I who's available? Like I

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would have said, go get tyas Jones, he's in Orlando, right,

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who's up? Who's that there?

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Speaker 1: Russh Malcolm Brogden's still sitting out there right, He hasn't signed.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting, assuming he can stay healthy, of course, but

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that's not that's not uninteresting. He knows seannas, he knows

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like the organization. Yeah, so can can we rely on

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him to play more than forty games?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is the what's the alternative right now?

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Is having Malcolm Brogden for forty games is better than

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what you're currently left with as your backcourt playmaking at

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the moment, right?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yep, Like baking beggers can't be chooser?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, should we rule out the possibility of a trade?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I guess it's because like Kuzma's salary has to be

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like the primary I mean you have Mesach. I suppose

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do you have Kuzma and message At They combined to

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make thirty million, so you could do something with that? Uh, Like,

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is there any if you're putting the picks on the table,

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we have to we're contractually obligated to mention Kobe White.

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Like if you're Chicago, is that swapping a pick enough

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to give up Kobe White? And then you have to

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give up other stuff too?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you'll have to give up other other stuff. Again,

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is the bulls you're asking? They'll be like draft, we

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can receive draft picks, that's legal.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not. We can't do that.

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Speaker 2: What you're talking about, like like if Kyle Kuzak.

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Speaker 1: Like if there was a is like Kobe White and

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iow to soon move for Kyle Kuzma for that pick

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and swap? Is that is Chicago giving up too much

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part of that deal?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you look at it objectively and we

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don't bake in Chicago's absolute horrid negotiation skills. That would

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I would I would want significant well not, I can't

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even say significantly more because both those guys are expiring.

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Their value have been higher than they are right now.

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But then again, you're taking on the extra year of Kusma.

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Now I'd want two picks for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're what is one enough to get

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you Kobe White? Like as a pick and a swap?

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It was just Kobe White, and then you could let

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them like, maybe the bulls want to get off of

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Isaaca Coro get you Isaaca Coro and Kobe White.

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Speaker 2: I sure.

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Speaker 1: Can you aggregate that this soon, but not at this moment,

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but they could wait and do it, by the way,

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Josh Giddy, Still we have not heard about that deal, right,

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that's a little weird. We're not talking about that though

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anything else on that with like us, is there any

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I'm trying to think like other targets that would maybe

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be potentially gettable, Josh, No sign trade for Josh Getty

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would be the funniest thing ever.

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Speaker 2: Again, I mentioned him mostly as a joke, but perhaps

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we're at that point where you have to take it seriously.

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Russell Westbrook, oh Man, I guess I mean there's benefit

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here because NBA players seem woefully outdated on where other

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players are. Like some players will look at Russ and go, yeah,

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he's still a superstar. Love that dude. He's like Chop

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something NBA player. And perhaps Giannis is one of those

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guys who just appreciates even former greatness and like applies

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it to current greatness. Although with Russ right now currently

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there is none of it. So perhaps that's the cell.

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Perhaps the organization goes, well, here's Russell freakin' Westbrook and

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Gianni school. Oh, I don't know. Perhaps maybe.

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Speaker 1: What about could they get Well, they would need a

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smaller salary to do it, like if they were willing

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to get younger, like could you get Tyler Kohlick from

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the Knicks? Your matching salary though, is like you would

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have to use you have Tyler Smith, Andre Jackson Junior,

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and I don't know what the Nick like you don't

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want to give up a first round swap to get

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Tyler Kohlick though, So that would be something.

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Speaker 2: To consider idea of going younger, though, don't you think

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with this move today they're pushing in the other direction.

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Speaker 1: Like you mean, more towards the now right, mm hmm, yeah, veterans,

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Do you think that Malik Monk could be gettable for

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them after the Shrewder signing? You would need the Kings

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to be okay with taking on Kuzma. But you know,

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we'll go from the Bulls to the Kings. What's the difference.

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00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: We've talked about him before as a pseudo point guard option,

473
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,839
but I don't love it. He is still, to me,

474
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,079
primarily a two guard.

475
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: Can they, man, they come awfully? Could they get Drew

476
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,599
Holliday back from the Blazers?

477
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,279
Speaker 2: That mean, so what's the deal Derek Kusma?

478
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does that do? I mean, no, they don't have

479
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,000
enough wiggle room. They can't take back. I don't think

480
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,319
they have enough wiggle room under the I need to

481
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,480
look at their cap sheet. But that's they could probably

482
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,599
get there. But then you're hollowing out your rotation right

483
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,119
even more?

484
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. Oh my god, if that happened. I mean,

485
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000
it's not a bad alternative if they can make it happen.

486
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:28,319
Speaker 1: Though, I mean they could wait, don't they still have

487
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920
the mid level here? So yeah, they could do a

488
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,720
deal like that? Does it just throwing names out in? Really? Man? Now,

489
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:40,559
that'd be hysterical, like just reunite with Drew. But I think,

490
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,440
I mean Portland actually wants him. They give up Affrety

491
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,279
Simons to get him. So it's are you giving up

492
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,279
one of those picks of the swaps to get back

493
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:46,799
to Holliday?

494
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: Probably not, Like if that happened, I would just question

495
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,599
everything I know about basketball that Drew Holliday fetch positive

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,759
returns twice in a summer.

497
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: Do you maybe if he he gets like bought out

498
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160
or something, do you maybe emphasis on this word bet

499
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:05,240
On Tarry Rosier.

500
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: I saw what you did there.

501
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also Cole Anthony is leaving.

502
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,799
Speaker 2: He can't get any worse, right, Like the way he

503
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,160
played in Miami that was just atrocious. But like I

504
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,200
do think there's a better version of him in there.

505
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,839
Maybe Miami just wasn't the place for him. Perhaps you'll

506
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,920
walk he has a better destination for him. He can

507
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,799
play off of a guy like Giannis, who just takes

508
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680
up that much more attention. I don't hate it. It'll

509
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,160
also just be like a one year thing. Who was

510
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,480
the name you were about to mention?

511
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Cole Rosier is too much of

512
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,920
a gamble. I like that. Uh, I was gonna say, uh,

513
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,279
he's leaving. He's not found up Cole Anthony though he's

514
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,079
getting out of Memphis, which those terms are still it

515
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,839
sounds like he's being bought out. But I don't know

516
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,240
how much money he gave back yet, Like I've been

517
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,000
looking and I haven't seen number on that.

518
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: So, but is the type of dude I would like there.

519
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,200
Though he's young, he's explosive. You know, he's got an

520
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,599
all round game, athletic like he really he's He's one

521
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:14,480
of those guys who occasionally just will get a firecracker

522
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,720
in his ass and just run. And I think occasionally

523
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:20,240
you do need more of that alongside Giannis. I think

524
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,119
this Bocks team for years has trended a little too old,

525
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:28,079
a little too slow, a little too half court. Having

526
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,119
a guy who just grabs a board, turns on the

527
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,319
jets and goes down to the floor. I would lie.

528
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,079
I would love that. Actually I wouldn't just like that.

529
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,480
I would love that they.

530
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: Could also do They could probably trade for him just

531
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,839
using me sich like that's the eight million dollar salary

532
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,200
for Cole Anthony's at thirteen point one. I would believe

533
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,200
they would have the flexibility to do something like that,

534
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,720
So I don't know what Memphis might not even want compensation,

535
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,160
will be it the same thing like well, I mean

536
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,119
Charlotte got compensation for that, but it'd be sort of

537
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,839
a similar motivation with the Kings did. And we're gonna

538
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:01,880
talk at the Kings in a little bit with Yonis

539
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,279
Mallonciunis just like, we need that lower cap number on

540
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,759
the books to fit in Denis shrew Right, Do you

541
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,599
have any other names you want to mention or anything

542
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,519
else on the This Bucks team?

543
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,319
Speaker 2: No, I think we should move on. We've already spent

544
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,880
almost half an hour on this one.

545
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: The update breaking news lyon NaNs Junior just signed with

546
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,599
the Calves. That was per Mark Stein while we were recording.

547
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,119
I like that fit. They use another front core guy,

548
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,960
like another four or five. I don't mind it.

549
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:28,319
Speaker 2: Nope, it's good.

550
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: That's good signing for them. I really liked I love

551
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,799
that lines of ball trade for the Caves. You were

552
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,519
there and we talked about it. We got to talk

553
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,119
about the Pacers side of things though more their transactions

554
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,920
list is so much shorter. So they picked up Tony

555
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,319
Bradley's two point nine million dollar team option. So that

556
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,920
should have That's when we should have known, right that

557
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,759
Miles Turner was.

558
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: Leaving smoking gun right there.

559
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,319
Speaker 1: Turner leaves four years, one hundred and seven million. He

560
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,359
reported the This is per Jake Fisher and I think

561
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240
other people. At this point, he reportably wanted to stay

562
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:59,759
with Indiana, whose offer reportedly wouldn't go above three years

563
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,000
and sixty million. I would like to give a quick

564
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,200
thought on this before throwing it to you. I've seen

565
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,119
a lot of people say Miles Turner wasn't worth what

566
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,759
the Bucks paid him, or what he offered him, or

567
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,079
even what he wanted, or even what the Pacers were

568
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,000
offering him, because of how poorly he played for stretches

569
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,400
in the playoffs, how tough it was for him during

570
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,440
the NBA Finals. I think it's okay to sit here

571
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,799
and say, maybe it was time for the Pacers to

572
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,160
figure out something different at the center position after twenty

573
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,839
years of Miles Turner being in trade rumors. That being said,

574
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
I look at this, it was purely a cost cutting maneuver.

575
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,079
They did not do this like this, and it wasn't

576
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,160
even cost cutting. I don't know that they understood that. Oh,

577
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,480
the Bucks were gonna wave and stretch Damian Millward and

578
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680
emerge as a Miles Turner suitter. But the reason he's

579
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,279
not in Indiana is purely financially driven, and at the

580
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,119
most charitable way, the most charitable way of putting this

581
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,799
is they fucked up the management of an important asset

582
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,240
to their team. You let him leave for nothing, under

583
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,720
no circumstance should that have been on the table. And

584
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,519
you can't tell me that if you felt this way

585
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,480
about Miles Turner, you can't tell me at any point

586
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,200
over the past couple of years that you weren't gonna

587
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920
be able to get something for him. So I just

588
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,039
I don't understand, like, this team just made the finals.

589
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,920
I know that Tyres Haliburton is gonna be injured and

590
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,119
you're kind of embracing a gap year, but you're also

591
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,440
a team that says it doesn't tank. But I also

592
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:29,000
understand the reality of well, they were never going to

593
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:31,480
pay the tax without Tyres Haliburton on the roster. But

594
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,039
I'm starting the way this unfolded really makes me think

595
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,519
that they weren't going to pay the tax even if

596
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,440
they won the championship or Tyers Haliburton never gets injured.

597
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,519
This is just you again. I think the nicest way

598
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,039
of putting it is that they were This was terrible

599
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,920
asset management for a player that they could have gotten

600
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,559
value for in a trade, Like couldn't you have signed

601
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:54,799
him and figured out how to cut money later at

602
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,480
the trade deadline? Like do you think Miles Turner was

603
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,160
that bad that at four years and one hundred and

604
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,039
seven million dollars and other team's not gonna trade for him? No,

605
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,880
so I don't. This is like I get where Indy's

606
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,640
coming from when thinking about next season specifically, why do

607
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,440
we want to be expensive without Haliburton? But like, how

608
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,680
do you not like figure this out anyway? You bring

609
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,519
him back and then you figure it out later or again,

610
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,039
I would just propose just pay the fucking tax for once.

611
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:21,920
For the first time since two thousand and five.

612
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: You more or less just echoed the piece that I

613
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,480
wrote over at Yeahoo Sports about all of this, just

614
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,880
to read the headline when he came to Miles Turner,

615
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,359
the Pacers once again took the cheap way out, and

616
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,359
yeah you you outlined everything that I did in that piece.

617
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,599
I couldn't agree with you, bore Pacers fans and Pacers players,

618
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:51,880
perhaps importantly, should all be extremely discouraged by this development.

619
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,519
This is a team that was one went away from

620
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,480
winning the whole damn thing, and what two weeks later

621
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,160
they turned back into being an un serious franchise. It's

622
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:08,200
it's it reaches how the quick save of a buck

623
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,279
and also getting the money in from other teams in

624
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,519
terms of luxury tax payments derives it so much. It's

625
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,680
a problem, and it's something that I think eventually I'm

626
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,720
going to try to write about because if the allure

627
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,039
for these teams, oh, always trying to duct the tax is,

628
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,119
oh yeah, we get the tax penalty payments after the

629
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,839
end of the season. If that's the carrot that keeps

630
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,039
them from that, that makes them remain cheap, then we

631
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,799
have to remove that carrot. Yeah.

632
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,119
Speaker 1: I we had talked about this last time. I don't

633
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:44,720
know what the answer is. We did propose, like you

634
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,880
can only do that for three consecutive years if you

635
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,000
don't make the playoffs or whatever exactly. But the Pacers

636
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,119
would be an exception here because they're not like one

637
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:53,960
of those teams that are existing at bottom of the barrel.

638
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,759
So maybe you should be capped at ex consecutive years

639
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:58,400
of being able to even cap But like, if you

640
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,799
want to penalize teams, for me, it's this is the

641
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,519
stuff that's cringey. It's not that the Pacers like figured

642
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,480
it all out sort of beforehand and made it to

643
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,839
the finals anyway while not being one of the you know,

644
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,759
three most expensive teams in the league or whatever. It's

645
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,000
just that this move, whether they like had the chance

646
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,599
to match what the Bucks are offering Turner or not,

647
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,240
it's cringey because this was a player who I mean,

648
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:21,960
he has value around that He just got twenty five

649
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,759
plus million dollars per year from the Bucks. He had

650
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,240
value around the league. Yeah, so you can't say, like

651
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,319
based off the playoff, like, oh yeah, we should have

652
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,599
just even if you didn't think he belonged on this team,

653
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,559
there's no defense for just letting him walk for nothing.

654
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,559
Like this is just it's outrageous and I am curious, though,

655
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,519
what do you think it in Like, what do you

656
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,519
think it says about the Pacers moving forward in general?

657
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,880
And I mean, like melon the chat like they were

658
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,400
not getting back to the Eastern Conference finals without Halliburton.

659
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880
That's not really my point. It's okay, but like you

660
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,799
just let who is one of your five most important

661
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,599
players for most of last season leave for nothing like

662
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,839
that's a wasted asset, so that you could And why

663
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,079
did he leave? It was because of money. It was

664
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:03,839
because this team didn't want to pay the tax. That's

665
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,240
you know, it didn't have anything. So you're gonna tell

666
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,359
me that they made the right decision here. But if

667
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:10,759
you think that he wasn't value, you would have been

668
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,720
okay if they signed him for twenty million bucks a year,

669
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,960
three for sixty like, if that was on the table.

670
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,000
This just proves that this was purely a tax thing.

671
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,599
It had very little to do with the iffy niss of.

672
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,759
And I'll say if he niffs, because I still think

673
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,880
he was a valuable player of Miles Turner's fit moving forward.

674
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is going to have ramifications throughout

675
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,440
the roster. Honestly as well, I think Tyrus Halbert is

676
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,480
asking some quick, some big questions to himself and perhaps

677
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:43,200
his team not saying or reporting anything here. I'm not

678
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,519
saying he's going to ask out, but this is one

679
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,519
of those things where he can rightfully go to the

680
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,799
organization and ask what's up here? Like we were one

681
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:54,960
win away from the finals. I know I got injured.

682
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,079
I know I wouldn't be playing the next year. What

683
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,759
I'm a twenty five year old player, I'm an all star.

684
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,200
If you, you know, kept Miles around, I would have

685
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,200
come back presumably you know, fully healthy at some point

686
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,960
and we could go again. This team should have leaned

687
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,119
into it. I wrote a piece when the news came

688
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,599
out a couple of months ago, no months, one month

689
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,079
ian perhaps a couple of months ago, when the Pacers, uh, well,

690
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,280
it was reported that the Pacers were open to going

691
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,360
into the tax to keeping Miles Turners around because the

692
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,760
vibes were high, right, like everyone was kind of buying

693
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,400
into this Pacers team. I made the point in that

694
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,079
piece saying, you should you should start with Turner. Well,

695
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,239
you shouldn't end with just Turner, like you should go

696
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,039
in and get Turner the money that he deserves, and

697
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,920
then from that shouldn't be the end of it, Like

698
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,519
you should keep spending. You should still be aggressive in

699
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,400
your spending patterns. Now I can appreciate and I can

700
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:48,440
understand why they definitely wouldn't do that after the Tyres

701
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,559
Helbert injury. But to already stuff the buck at Miles Turner.

702
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Is it greecious business? Just a greacious.

703
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: We have some breaking us we're going to get to

704
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,880
in a second. But mel again says Milwaukee outbid them

705
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,360
and he decided he wasn't worth it. Let's be honest,

706
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,760
They've been trying to trade him for years with no

707
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,719
buyers until now. That is actually incorrect.

708
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: They've had buyers now plenty. Yeah, so what's the breaking news.

709
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,440
I'm I'm so, let's.

710
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: All right, let's I think do anything else? Final thoughts

711
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,760
on the pagiers, like, do you think this could pretend

712
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,119
that will they be more aggressively not good next year?

713
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:22,480
Or do you think this again it was just so

714
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,840
financially driven and they think that they have enough depth

715
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960
to kind of and maybe they end up with DeAndre

716
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,679
in or make a trade for another big man.

717
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know, but here's what I do know.

718
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,760
If this is if this is how financially motivated they are,

719
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,960
to the point where one game out of winning the

720
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,400
fucking title is apparently a nothing burger for them. They

721
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,440
will never ever ever be serious about it again.

722
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,679
Speaker 1: The breaking news more is Duncan Robinson is headed to

723
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,519
the Detroit Pistons. Did you see that one coming?

724
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:55,559
Speaker 2: He is?

725
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I did not three years, forty eight million. I'd like

726
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,920
to see the details on those out because Sean's is

727
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,239
notorious for leaving out important context. But Detroit is trading

728
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:09,199
Simoni Fontekio to Miami to facilitate the trade. It's a

729
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,480
sign in trade. I like this deal for the Pis,

730
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:18,159
Like Malik Beasley has, like the gambling investigation going on

731
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,039
with him. You just lost him hardaway junior, which you

732
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,079
know if he was gonna come back at the minimum, Like, yeah,

733
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,639
he could have been a useful player still for them,

734
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,920
but he's so streaky. It's they are just they feel

735
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,360
lighter on shooting overall, but they needed shooting because it

736
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,159
was Simoni fun Techo didn't have the best year last season.

737
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:36,920
I was so high on the money they brought, like

738
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,920
I thought that they robbed him in free agency. But

739
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Duncan Robinson is just I know he's caught a lot

740
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,800
of shit over the past couple of years and that

741
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,119
Miami hasn't necessarily been the greatest even when they've you know,

742
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,960
turned on the Jets. Sometimes in the playoffs, Duncan Robinson

743
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,400
puts pressure on defenses, with his movement, with his shooting.

744
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,199
We've even seen him over the past like two seasons

745
00:36:56,199 --> 00:37:00,719
do a little bit more like. Yeah, so I think

746
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,320
that's a really like it's a sizable investment, but like

747
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,159
average annual value of sixteen per year. And again I'd

748
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,320
like to see if there's like a team option or something,

749
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,039
or if it's a non guarantee on at least a

750
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,159
third one. I think that's a really good like because

751
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,519
Caid we saw a kind of thrive when he was

752
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,760
given that extra space to work with, helped him in transition,

753
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,280
helped him in the half court and everything. So now

754
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,039
you have him on this roster, I think that's big,

755
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,280
especially because you needed more shooting and now you get

756
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,599
just one of like a guy who can he can

757
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,159
prop up volume and efficiency. It's not just oh he'll

758
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,199
come in and take two or three three pointers a

759
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,960
game and knock him down. No, like he will get

760
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,360
them up.

761
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll, I have nothing to add. You just analyzed

762
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,559
the crap out of him. You're right, Yes, what else

763
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,000
do you want to see the Pistons do? What else?

764
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,199
Speaker 1: What else they got left going?

765
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,559
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really in a rush with the Pistons,

766
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,440
to be honest with you, like I understand that they

767
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:59,440
made it far or was it compared to expectations, and

768
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,760
they want to keep building on it and that's fine.

769
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Like if they they can find a fore man, like

770
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,000
a versatile fore man, I wouldn't hate it. But I'm

771
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,840
just not in a rush with the Pistons at all,

772
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,000
Like I can wait a year.

773
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Do you think Pascal Siakam is available? He said you

774
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,159
want them to get a four?

775
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,519
Speaker 2: I think I think the question is how much how

776
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,800
much can the pacer save in that trade? That's that's

777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,639
the real question.

778
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: Well, look, Devias Harris for Pascal Siakam, big difference there.

779
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: There we go.

780
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: That's only you have to add other money. Of course,

781
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,800
So I also I liked the Karouselvert signing for them.

782
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,000
I probably like, do you like Karslvert better for them

783
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,360
than Dennis Shrewder? I think I do.

784
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: Always I thought you were not gonna ask me compared

785
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,719
to some Eligue Beastley. Yes, I do like Kroslvert more

786
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,800
than than Dennis Schorter. I look, Dennis is a fine player.

787
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,480
He's never gonna crack my list of someone who I

788
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,159
actively want on a roster. There's just so much baggage

789
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,960
with him as someone who isn't always a guy who

790
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,440
buys into the scheme, who buys into a locker room

791
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,880
vibe like his His investment is so heavily tied to

792
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,440
the feelings that he's like that he has at any

793
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,280
given moment, and that always makes him a concerning player

794
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,599
in my eye. So yeah, very much in on the

795
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:17,679
Karselbird experience.

796
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,639
Speaker 1: Correct cut says, gives kid some shooting. Duncan is in

797
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,840
back quality shooter, serviceable. Is he for sure a three

798
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,480
and D guy?

799
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Three guy, Yeah, three guy.

800
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's gonna give you much like you

801
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,920
probably would prefer to put him on, like the most

802
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
stationary perimeter player on the other team is ideally where

803
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,440
you want to put him. We journey onward into our

804
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,199
teams that were set to talk about the Kings. We

805
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,920
didn't talk much about them during Night one. Moret but

806
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,719
they officially signed Dennis Shrewder. The number we had the

807
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,320
report that he was going there, but the number was TBD.

808
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,320
It's three years and forty five million, which I'm gonna

809
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,719
assume is like and it's supposed to be for the

810
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,400
full non tax MLA. I think that's a rounding error

811
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,519
if I'm not mistaken. So it's like three years and

812
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:04,280
forty four plus, so they have him. They traded Yonas

813
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,880
Valentunas to Denver for dari or Sarich. They're thinking being, hey,

814
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,360
we shaved five million dollars in salary. That's going to

815
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,119
open up the wiggle room for us to sign Shrewder.

816
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,320
They also picked up the team option on Keon Ellis.

817
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,679
We talked about that last night. He's still extension eligible,

818
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,000
as well as picked up the team option on Isaac

819
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,039
Jones No more Jake Laravia. I did find in another

820
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,679
just like you know, dissin and depressing king shit when

821
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,280
I think it was the third aprons Yassi Goslin posted

822
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,840
about now that they've were able to trade Jonnas Valentiunis

823
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,119
for Dariosars, they won't have to trade Malik Monk to

824
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,559
make a way for Dennis Shrewder. And I'm like, this

825
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:44,599
is just how are we here? How is that real life?

826
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,320
I understand the need for Shrewder, but this is someone

827
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
who's been on what twelve teams in four months? Is

828
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,800
that is that accurate?

829
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Perhaps forty eight teams really yeah, they'reabouts. I will

830
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:02,360
never understand the league's overall fascination of Denn Schrueder. I

831
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,599
just I won't. I don't think he's particularly efficient at

832
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:09,480
running an offense. I don't think he is necessarily a

833
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:14,639
strong defender. I don't think his playmaking is remotely interesting

834
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,079
or special or particularly impactful. I am like, yes, he

835
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,960
will have a couple months here and there where he

836
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,559
will look like a fully fledged starter, and that is

837
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,280
almost exclusively because the ball is actually going through the basket.

838
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:35,039
It's not because oh, like suddenly Schroeder has great shot selection.

839
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,599
Now the ball's just going in, and he just varies

840
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,039
so much in effort and in buying and what I

841
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,960
mentioned before. So good on you, Kings, I guess for

842
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,519
getting a point guard in there to replace Darren Fox,

843
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,719
who's like fifteen levels below him.

844
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,159
Speaker 1: Clap, clap, I just where are all the wings on

845
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:05,840
this team? Can we get any? Then?

846
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: Martin Rosen's gonna take all those minutes anyway?

847
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Just so many guards, Levigne and Shrewder and Monk DeRozan,

848
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,559
who's basically a follower I point forward at this point,

849
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,320
I still wouldn't call him a wing. Devin Carter uh,

850
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:20,519
just like all and now it's by the way, like

851
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,000
now you kind of have an issue at backup center

852
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,519
again because Jonas Valanciunas is gone and he was pretty

853
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,400
good for them. I don't know what's going on in Sacramento.

854
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,400
This is just like, you know what this is.

855
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: I know what this is a vote of.

856
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Confidence in Nie Clifford.

857
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: I agree, No, you know what it is. This is

858
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,920
a two K offseason simulation where you just let the

859
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,159
computer do its work, do its work with its weird

860
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,480
algorithms and rules and whatnot, and then the end resolve

861
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,480
is just like a mud pie of weird shit.

862
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: I do this at these kind of proves that for

863
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,679
now they're probably not making any core changes, or if

864
00:42:57,679 --> 00:42:59,960
they do, they're gonna be If anyone was thinking, oh,

865
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,599
they need to trade Levine or they need to trade Sibonus,

866
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,320
this leans more towards what can they attach to Maleigue

867
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,960
Monk or de mart Roseen to get talent in right.

868
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,599
I think this at least kind of clarifies and they

869
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,639
might have it's cements. We kind of knew that this

870
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,239
was the direction they were heading in, but this kind

871
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,119
of cements their direction. As we're in the bottom of

872
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:19,760
the middle, and we really want to stay there.

873
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: Kean Ellis is going to be an understood free agent

874
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,519
next summer, right because they picked up his option.

875
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Yes, but they can't. I believe they can still extend him,

876
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,079
so I don't think that that's like a huge deal.

877
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: They can. But my point is this, if this team

878
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,360
is such, if this team is like such a like

879
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,760
a random crapshoot of an organization, he'll have so much

880
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,679
more power now.

881
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 1: That And that's the appeal of because while you can

882
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,599
still extend him, if you decline his team option to

883
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,840
make him a restricted free agent, you're basically just negotiating

884
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,360
with yourself at that point, and he has to sign

885
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,679
something because teams aren't giving an offer. There wasn't the

886
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,800
caps out there. If they did, it would have been

887
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,719
for the mid level and you could have matched. That

888
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,400
would have been the appeal. And now it's if you

889
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,960
let him reach free agency, he doesn't have to give

890
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,719
you a chance to match.

891
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,199
Speaker 2: He can just leave, right, That's my point. I like,

892
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,480
would you be shocked if ke Niless goes elsewhere next summer?

893
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:15,840
Because I sure as fuck wouldn't.

894
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:20,679
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me. But like, man, that would that

895
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,840
would suck. That's been like a pretty feel good story

896
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:23,840
for sure.

897
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 2: When he's got to get paid and he wants to

898
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,360
go to a situation where he can win. He's an

899
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,199
impactful player.

900
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,599
Speaker 1: My prediction is that they're gonna extend him before next offseason.

901
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,679
That would be my prediction. But maybe I'm giving the

902
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,880
Kings too much credit.

903
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: There, like for the King's sake, I hope so, but

904
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,079
for Kean Ella's maybe not.

905
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: Uh Weiso says Schroeder is gonna be the first player

906
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,119
in NBA history to play on every team. Honestly, he

907
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,679
should go for it at this point, right if you

908
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:52,119
could do it?

909
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: Nice? Yeah?

910
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: Big disappointed? Not man sunsman? Is it? Oh? That's a

911
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,719
good question. Is now more for like it have an

912
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,719
OK player on a good contract or a good player

913
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,039
on a ubpar contract.

914
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:07,159
Speaker 2: That probably depends on the player and the position too.

915
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,599
Like if you're a wing, for example, and you're on

916
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,320
a like decent player but on a good contract, that

917
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,679
that that has something to it, like that has some fight.

918
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,199
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else on the Kings?

919
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,559
Speaker 2: Oh? God no?

920
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: Do you think Keith Murray it's an extension before next season?

921
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 2: He shouldn't.

922
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 1: We're gonna move up there, rond to the Nags. Moret,

923
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,760
they made the biggest move of free agency to date

924
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,320
by signing Gershan yabusel away from the Sixers two years,

925
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:41,639
eleven point seven million. That is the second apron they were.

926
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,599
That is the second apron. That's the MINIML. They will

927
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,280
be hard capped at the second apron. He's a player

928
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,719
option on that final season. They also just a recap.

929
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,639
They signed Jordan Clarkson or they're going to once he

930
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:51,960
clears waivers for the Vets minimum, and they picked up

931
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,880
the team option on Ariel Huckporty. What do you think

932
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,519
about Yabu's fit in New York?

933
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: I look, I love that you spent the second drin

934
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,239
on him. That's great and I didn't know you could

935
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,840
do that. No, I love the fit. I love the fit.

936
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,960
That is one of those big needs that they've had,

937
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,000
you know, having a big man who can come in

938
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,519
and shoot the ball at a high clip. The thing

939
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:17,639
about Yapoo is he's also so adept at handling the ball,

940
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,559
creating something out of nothing from the perimeter. Even even

941
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:26,719
as he's you know, a broad person. He is going

942
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,400
to add and I mean this in the most positive sense.

943
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,679
He's going to add an element of chaos to New

944
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,719
York's offense, which I think they need something that's unpredictable,

945
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,840
where he has games where he just suddenly pops off

946
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,599
for like eighteen points on high efficient shooting, and he's

947
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,760
like doing it through long range shooting. He's getting to

948
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,679
the Cup, He's sitting mid rangers like he is just

949
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,840
sort of a wild card, but a wildcard you need

950
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,159
to like reach that second level. Love it. I think

951
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,800
this is a fantastic fit.

952
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I like it. I hope the three point shooting sustains,

953
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,360
and it did while he was at Real Madrid and

954
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,119
then he came over in and like it's sustaining. So I

955
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,199
think that gives you hope. Like you mentioned, there is

956
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,960
some kind of en ball pizzaz there. I am worried.

957
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,360
I am worried. Like Clarkson Yabu sell okay, like they're

958
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,119
really leaning into offense, which is weird to say about

959
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,280
a team that ranked fifth in offense last year, but

960
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,119
they were basically league average for you know, half the season.

961
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:29,320
But like Yabu can do something like he's probably been

962
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,000
like he's not gonna give you a ton of rim protection.

963
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:32,360
If you're trying to play him with the five, you

964
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,719
can maybe get away with it depending on the team,

965
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,800
but the rim protection there is going to be spotty.

966
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
So but I think you now have two additional actual

967
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,599
NBA players in your rotation that you didn't like. Clarkson

968
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,159
is an upgrade over campaign Yabaseel. He's an upgrade over

969
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,480
precious Sachua. You've now upgraded those two spots. So I

970
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,960
think that's a pretty big deal. And you didn't have

971
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,960
a lot of tools to work with. I do just

972
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,519
look at this roster now more and I'm just there's

973
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,760
a lot of just like bigs and guards and like

974
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,079
Giannanobi and Michel Bridges are the only wings, like depending

975
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,400
on where you land with Josh Hart. And I don't

976
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,840
necessarily love you, know, I guess, like, what are you

977
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,559
doing with the starting five now? Because I think I

978
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:13,400
thought the goal of this off season would be, well,

979
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,840
you want to get away from that lineup with Josh

980
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,079
Hart that delivered a big bowl of unflavored oatmeal for

981
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,320
most of last season. I don't know if any of

982
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,679
these additions help you get there. You could just start

983
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,519
Mitchell Robinson next to Kat, But then I don't know

984
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:31,199
how I feel about Josh Hart and Yabuselli and Clarkson all, Like,

985
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,039
that's not that's a lot of could be streaky shooting

986
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,599
there coming off the same bench. So I like the

987
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,239
the moves for the value. I don't think you can

988
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,440
argue with them. These are just good value moves by

989
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,960
the Knicks. But I'm still it just feels like there's

990
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:46,119
unfinished business here.

991
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,079
Speaker 2: They are. They're one wing short, I feel right now.

992
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,679
But like, look, it's states to a free agency. Let's

993
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,679
see what happens. I will need Yapoo to just yam

994
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,679
on Lebron one more time at the end of it,

995
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,440
Like at the NBA level he did.

996
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: Will Lebron be wearing? Will be at a practice scrimmage?

997
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, look that's the wing, right, depends

998
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:09,480
on what you give up though.

999
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like designing. I'm just I want to see you.

1000
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,760
I'm and to do all this without a head coach

1001
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,719
is so weird. It sounds like it's gonna be Mike Brown.

1002
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,239
Who is I was talking about this with Grant Uh

1003
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,280
after Day one. Mike Brown's reputation as a head coach

1004
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,159
is flipped right wasn't he known as a unless I'm

1005
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,679
misremembering as a defensive mind earlier on, and now everyone's like, oh,

1006
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,639
he's like an offensive genius, like kind of after he

1007
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,719
spends time with the Warriors and the Kings, they can't

1008
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,360
like you go, Yeah, for sure, I think that he

1009
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,480
could do a lot of creative things with the roster

1010
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,800
that's there now. And I think the other thing too,

1011
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
is like, Yabhu's a pretty good offensive rebounder, so you

1012
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,000
have him and Mitchell Robinson in the same rotation could

1013
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,119
get pretty freaky. You will rebound all of your own misses.

1014
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I I'm actually pretty high on

1015
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
the next year, even if they're one wing short, because again

1016
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,960
I'm an optimist. Pcom daddy. If he becomes a thing

1017
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,119
in year two, like if a new coach actually gives

1018
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:11,960
him minute if he is able to just absorb twelve

1019
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,239
to fifteen minutes a game and do so, you know,

1020
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,800
without just being a rookie. If you catch my drift

1021
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,920
and just play steady on, that's a major boost. So

1022
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,159
it's it's that. And look, there's also the trade headline.

1023
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,320
We always forget about that, like it's you don't have

1024
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,360
to have a complete roster for sure by the time

1025
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:34,000
of going into the regular season, Like then you have

1026
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,320
November December to really figure out what do we need,

1027
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,960
and then you're starting to make plans, you're starting to

1028
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,559
make calls, and then by the trade headline, perhaps something's growing,

1029
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:44,840
perhaps something makes sense.

1030
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: Do you think is it all weird or concerning that

1031
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,880
we haven't gotten news in cal bridges extension yet.

1032
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: I think they're focused on roster upgrades and then they

1033
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,280
take care of the internal stuff afterwards because they know

1034
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,320
they have him in hand. Like you know, if teams

1035
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,400
focus too much on extensions with own players during the

1036
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,880
free agency periods, I would probably preferred to, like think

1037
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,159
outside the organization, go get the guys you need, then

1038
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:21,280
take care of the guys you have.

1039
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,199
Speaker 1: So you're saying the thunder made a mistake extending shake Gilgris.

1040
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: Alexander, there are exceptions to the rules.

1041
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that mckel bridges is going to sign

1042
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,239
one the four from one to fifty six? Because Grant

1043
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,559
and I also went through the list of could be

1044
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,719
twenty twenty six free agents, and I say this without

1045
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,960
a hint of trying to be hyperbolic. For the sake

1046
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,920
of hashtag content. There is a chance, and I would

1047
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,639
say that, I would say mckel bridges is definitely gonna

1048
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:50,679
be one of the three best available free agents if

1049
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:52,760
he doesn't sign an extension. There is a chance that

1050
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,960
he's the single best free agent available next summer. And

1051
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,519
that's like, if you're him, if you're his agent, you're

1052
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,559
looking at that the chance to get four years and

1053
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,920
two hundred plus million from an outside team to leverage

1054
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,000
the Knicks into a fifth year kind of like og

1055
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:11,679
did where five and two twelve point five. I'm almost

1056
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:14,639
wondering if that's the most likely outcome now that he

1057
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,760
doesn't sign I honestly thought he was going to sign it.

1058
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,440
I thought that was kind of baked in to acquiring

1059
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:21,800
him in the first place. And now just because he's

1060
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,920
been eligible for it since the end of the NBA Finals,

1061
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,800
So what a little bit more than a week.

1062
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm where's the extension?

1063
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,199
Speaker 1: Unofficially like, oh no, this is bad?

1064
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,679
Speaker 2: Is any team going to pay him two hundred million

1065
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,599
even in the open market? Are really looking at that?

1066
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh oh. I. My prediction would be if he

1067
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,400
reaches free agency next year, he will have a four

1068
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,599
year max contract offer on the table, and it's lowered

1069
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:53,760
a little bit. I think it was at like two

1070
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
nineteen at one point, but the cap is coming in lower,

1071
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,599
but it'll be in that range still.

1072
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,599
Speaker 2: Am I am. I on him for thinking that's too much.

1073
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: We could have a conversation about that. I think that's different.

1074
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,360
I actually think there are a lot of Knicks fans

1075
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,280
and this might have just been captive of the moment

1076
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,639
type stuff following the playoffs that think the four years

1077
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:15,440
and one hundred and fifty six million is too much

1078
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:15,719
for him.

1079
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,519
Speaker 2: And I don't Oh no, no, no, that's fair. No, no, no,

1080
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,320
that is that is totally fair. It's the when you

1081
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,280
get out into the two hundred range for a guy

1082
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:29,760
who's probably what like the third option on a team,

1083
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,280
that's like, and I understand the defense, don't worry, I

1084
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:36,320
get the defensive point. But that's a lot of money

1085
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,000
for a third option.

1086
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,639
Speaker 1: It is I mean, could you make the case is

1087
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,199
the Knicks that should you be considered like a serious

1088
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,159
enough contender where you're okay paying it? I mean maybe,

1089
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:54,559
So that's like, so his max next year, So his

1090
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:56,920
max next year will be four years and two thirteen

1091
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,039
point five million from another team. My guess would be

1092
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:02,679
that he gets that or close to it, and I

1093
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,000
think he certainly gets more than four years, one hundred

1094
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,519
and fifty six if he hits the open market.

1095
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 2: I think that's inarguable. To elaborate on my it is

1096
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:13,880
New York point. It's a huge market. They should be

1097
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,079
able to, like if there's a team out there that

1098
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:20,000
should be willing to hand out major contracts and kind

1099
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,000
of send that message to the league that yeah, we're paying,

1100
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,039
We're willing to pay absolutely.

1101
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: I think the issue with it is I think they

1102
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,280
would pay it. So if they're not going to pay him,

1103
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,239
I think he will get traded. So if he says

1104
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,199
no to an extension and they believe that they don't

1105
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,079
want to pay him, or that they don't want to

1106
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:38,920
chance it in free agency, they will move him. I

1107
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,880
think this front office is earn't that type. They have

1108
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,280
that type of forethought. But if you are willing to

1109
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,599
pay him. With OG's contract, towns Is contract, Brunton is

1110
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,400
going to be more expensive, but he's the best value,

1111
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,079
one of the best value contracts in the league.

1112
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: Still.

1113
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,639
Speaker 1: YEA, you run into like the appeal of extending Michale

1114
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,199
Bridges is it may give you another like, oh, now,

1115
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,679
maybe you don't have to worry too much about the

1116
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,840
second apron until twenty twenty seven rather than twenty twenty six.

1117
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,800
And so that's the gambit of letting him hit free agency.

1118
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,639
If he doesn't sign the extension, yeap our next team

1119
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,119
on the docket, then we need to talk about You

1120
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,800
want to go for two hours on Toronto signing Sandral Mamuskelly?

1121
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: Two hours? Is that even that that that only talks

1122
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,760
about that's only his defense.

1123
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: They did so they signed Mamu two years and five

1124
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,400
point three million player option on that final season. They

1125
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,800
also this is like this should be the actual headliner.

1126
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,039
They extended Yakab Pertle, which, by the way, Shams is

1127
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,079
like structure of reporting. This was just a mess. He

1128
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,280
said it was a four year extension. It's a three

1129
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,280
year extension because he picked up his player option. He

1130
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,000
is five years total left on his contract now for

1131
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:54,159
a total of one hundred and twenty three point five

1132
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,639
million dollars. This extension runs through his age thirty four season,

1133
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:00,599
I gotta say. And Toronto also moved back the guaranteed

1134
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,880
date on Jamison Battles contract from July first to July ninth.

1135
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,800
I gotta say directors seem pretty obsessed with Yaka Pearl.

1136
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,079
They gave, they traded him, traded a top ten pick

1137
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,519
to get him back, extended him, and extended him again

1138
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,559
when he's still had three years left on his deal.

1139
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,119
Speaker 2: I mean, unless Yaga Pearl has some uh explicit photos

1140
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:29,079
of ownership or what, I don't get it. Like, look,

1141
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:33,800
I love Purdle. To this extent, to this contract extension

1142
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,760
a little too rich for my blood, that's the kind

1143
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,639
way to say it. He's a fellow euro so I

1144
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:44,400
won't be too dismissive. But when I saw that, I was.

1145
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,480
I was pretty surprised. I really was. I thought that

1146
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:50,079
they would if they were to extend him in any way,

1147
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:52,559
shape or form. I thought it'd be very similar to

1148
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:54,400
what he was getting now. Like right now he's getting

1149
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,119
nineteen and a half million per years. Think it is

1150
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:02,079
like twenty even twenty flat. That's reasonable to go up?

1151
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,400
Damn your thirty? Does it exceed thirty? I think to finally,

1152
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,960
Europe might actually exceed thirty.

1153
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:10,639
Speaker 1: It's an average of twenty eight per so I mean

1154
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:11,440
it could.

1155
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,199
Speaker 2: I mean, Okay, there's a new cap in place. Like,

1156
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,840
I guess it's not too it greachies, but man, I

1157
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:19,960
still think that's a lot.

1158
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:23,079
Speaker 1: It feels unnecessary. Why wasn't this something that could have

1159
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,880
waited so it'll never be? And I do think it's

1160
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,360
important to frame it in these terms. As of right now,

1161
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,239
it's projected to top out in the final season at

1162
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,199
thirty point three million, which would be fifteen point one

1163
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,360
percent of the cap. That's his age thirty four season.

1164
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,000
I just don't it's not even so much the money,

1165
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,400
but like, why now?

1166
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, could have waited a year.

1167
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: You could have waited a year before you needed to

1168
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,079
do this, and then you have a better idea of

1169
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,519
who you are, like with all of what you have,

1170
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:53,960
Like Ingram hasn't played for this team yet, you have

1171
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:58,360
to integrate Colin Murray Boyles. You just lost Versailles. Oh,

1172
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,559
there's apparently only five million. I must have missed that one.

1173
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:03,719
There's only five million guaranteed in the final season. I

1174
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,639
didn't see that anywhere. That's not on sppoture. Okay, spot track,

1175
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,440
I get, but I would still point to why why now?

1176
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:14,400
Like this is still not a deal that needed to

1177
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,559
be done this summer. That doesn't change the complexion of

1178
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:17,599
this at all for me, You.

1179
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:21,599
Speaker 2: Could even have gotten gone into twenty seven free agency

1180
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,679
and let him says the market.

1181
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: There right, or just how does this season go? He's

1182
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,360
still under contract like for another year? Like what? I

1183
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:33,280
just it just it was just weird and let and

1184
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,559
did you really did they think though that he was

1185
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,159
in danger of maybe getting Cagy? Like? Is that the

1186
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:40,239
logic here?

1187
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't.

1188
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,079
Speaker 1: Like. I honestly just don't know. Like the player option

1189
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:46,039
wasn't even like it was.

1190
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: Does Zaka Purdle get Cag? Can Austria get Cagy? Well?

1191
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,199
Speaker 1: I honestly I would point to even if he was

1192
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:56,159
gonna opt out like it was he first of all,

1193
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,519
he clearly wasn't or was at least like not dead

1194
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,639
set on it because he opted in as part of

1195
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,159
this deal. But if he was gonna opt out, is

1196
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:05,360
someone just gonna pounce at the opportunity from twenty million

1197
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,280
dollars a year like the Bucks can't wave and stretch

1198
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,239
Damian Loward again?

1199
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're right, I don't think that's that was

1200
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,280
out there. That too seemed like they just want to

1201
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,599
It really seems like they've been aggressive and blocking guys

1202
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,280
up right, they want to have this troop. They kind

1203
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,639
of believe in it without having seen it. They are

1204
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,400
going into this year with, in my opinion, enormous pressure

1205
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,199
to perform. Like there are basically no excuses left. Guys

1206
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:39,719
have been paid, the team has more or less said

1207
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,800
this is this is the squad that we're rolling with.

1208
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,599
We've invested heavily in it. Now now's the time to

1209
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:49,719
go win. I'm asking some pretty big questions about the

1210
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,239
capability of doing so, although of course adding Mamu helps.

1211
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:58,599
Speaker 1: Uh, can't you want to talk about his fit on

1212
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:00,960
Toronto and why he's how many All Games he's gonna make?

1213
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: Oh, he's only signed a two year deal, so only

1214
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,920
two All Star games? Dand let's not be unreasonable.

1215
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,519
Speaker 1: Well, the second year is a player options. Does he

1216
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:10,760
opt out and get the max contract from somebody else?

1217
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:14,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably right. Actually one All Star game then no.

1218
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:17,320
So here's here's He's one of my favorites. And along

1219
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,440
with like, I always have like a you know, a

1220
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,199
bunch of guys who are around the league who aren't

1221
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,159
hitting in enough minutes who I I you know, I

1222
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,960
have a good feel about like and Mamo was one

1223
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,280
of them Trenton Watford which just signed Philly excellent value

1224
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,400
there as well. Like Mamu is just so rock solid.

1225
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,280
He moves incredibly well for someone who's very large. He's

1226
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:47,039
he's no, well, he's six eleven and he's he's definitely

1227
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,280
two sixty. Like I've I've shagging in his hand, like

1228
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,039
I've had a conversation with him as well, and like

1229
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:56,079
he was once listed at six', NINE i can tell

1230
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:00,920
you that is. Bullshit six, eleven absolutely. Sure and he's

1231
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,960
just such a humongous human. Being he's capable of passing

1232
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,119
on the. Move he's leaned into the three point, shooting

1233
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,800
WHICH i really. Enjoy he's crafting the, post he'll rebound.

1234
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,719
Now the defense is something that is probably never going to,

1235
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,039
be you, know a strength of, His but offensively speaking

1236
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:21,559
from a backup, center when he can provide you with

1237
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:25,239
that level of floor spacing with the offensive, IMPRINT i

1238
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,920
can't wait to see him in a more expanded. ROLE

1239
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,039
i Asked Mitch, johnson AND i told you this before In,

1240
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,920
paris like why Isn't mamo playing? More and can we

1241
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,400
expect to see him in the second half of the,

1242
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,920
Year and he gave me this answer where he was, like,

1243
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,960
no the typical, Oh mamu is always staying ready and.

1244
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,760
Whatnot and Then mamo played and he played, well and

1245
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,599
every time he played AFTER i kind of asked that,

1246
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,800
question he was just, like kept doing well and at

1247
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,679
some point you also have to get out of your

1248
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,480
own way be. That if it's in this case The

1249
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,679
spurs where they just didn't play. Him i'm really Hoping

1250
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:05,960
toronto opens that door for. Him And i'm not saying

1251
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,519
twenty five forty minutes or anything of the, sort but

1252
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:12,960
give him a consistent backup role with consistent minutes night to,

1253
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,440
night and he'll be an asset for you for.

1254
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: SURE i hope they give him that consistent. ROLE i,

1255
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,079
MEAN i Guess Chris bouchet is still. UNSIGNED i don't

1256
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,400
know how, much if at, all they want to PLAY

1257
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,920
cmb at, center And i'm assuming they're obviously committed To Yaka.

1258
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,039
Pertl you can get In paul trouble sometimes, though and

1259
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:32,880
there's certain matchups where he just doesn't make a ton of.

1260
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,960
Sense they needed like the type of offense that Mam who.

1261
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,199
PROVIDES i think it really helps you know with their

1262
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:43,159
personnel Where i'm a big believer and like you're having

1263
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,159
a lot of on ball decision makers is going to be,

1264
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:48,280
great but like you need spacing to help optimize, that

1265
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,079
and he will do, that and so he can play

1266
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:53,639
next TO cmb if you want to run Out Brandon

1267
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,159
ingram And Scottie barnes AND cmb, Together LIKE MoMu makes

1268
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,039
a lot of sense at center in those. Lineups, maybe

1269
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,079
and you're kind of, hope like that's sort of the

1270
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:02,800
trade off of just we talk about it a lot

1271
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,119
where it's, okay MAYBE cmb does like some of the center,

1272
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:08,119
stuff so that mom who doesn't have to and it

1273
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:11,199
gets easier to kind of stash him. AROUND i think

1274
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:13,719
this really will help out a lot of their core

1275
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,320
lineup structures if they're willing to go to. It AND

1276
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,159
i don't feel Like Yaka purtle's never been someone that

1277
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:21,440
you play thirty eight minutes a game, Anyway SO i

1278
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,079
like with this signals LIKE i hope this is the

1279
01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:26,079
team that gives him the expanded. ROEBOOKS i think that

1280
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,360
for The raptors to be the best version of themselves

1281
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,000
at least on offense next, year they almost need. To

1282
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:36,920
AND i agree with you about what you said about

1283
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,920
their pressure JUST i. Don't i'm like the whole messigh.

1284
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,519
THING i don't know what promises were. Broken i'm sure

1285
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,559
there was money in power struggles behind the scenes as.

1286
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,280
WELL i don't know what this. Like it feels like

1287
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,559
they're going to go into the season mostly with this roster.

1288
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,960
INTACT i know that they will linked To, oh they

1289
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,000
want to pull off a big move that would probably

1290
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,960
fairly surprise. Me i'm so, interested bordering on morbidly curious

1291
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,239
to see how all this ties, Together like when you

1292
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,159
just look at the current makeup of their, roster our

1293
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,000
next team on the docket more The Denver. Nuggets, LOOK

1294
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,800
i gotta walk back some stuff BEFORE i throw it to.

1295
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,400
You they've had a really good, offseason and even like

1296
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,719
after The Josh cronkeys comments and then even after The

1297
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Cam johnson, TRADE i still just questioned whether he was

1298
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,679
enough of an upgrade to go strictly From Michael Porter

1299
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,079
junior To Cam johnson and The nuggets are. BETTER i

1300
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:30,000
sat there AND i, said this was after day, one

1301
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,920
that let's see what they do with access to the

1302
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,039
non tax payer mid level boy o, boy they did some.

1303
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:40,239
STUFF i Mean Tim Hardaway junior at the, minimum that's

1304
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,679
a good, deal add some shooting to a roster that, Like,

1305
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,440
Okay Cam, johnson let's say replaces What Michael Porter junior

1306
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,800
does on, offense it's not if he augments. It it's

1307
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,960
not buy a crap. Ton and now you Get jonna

1308
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,119
Saln chuni speaking of offense as your backup, big who

1309
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,199
like this is aside from, Okay Aaron gordon at the,

1310
01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:59,639
five like this is probably the best backup big that

1311
01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:04,320
den ever Given Nicole. Jokic so they got, him, questionably

1312
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,639
they got him for giving Up Dario sharitch, too so

1313
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:09,320
that ends up there ends up being a use to

1314
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,639
that signing him to the mini Mle what if you

1315
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:15,079
THOUGHT i. TALKED i gave my thoughts last Night tod

1316
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,000
To grant and now we have these two other transactions

1317
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:20,159
to go With Cam johnson And Bruce. Brown how are

1318
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:21,199
you feeling About denver?

1319
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:26,519
Speaker 2: Overall how CAN i not love? This absolutely love. This

1320
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,920
it's one thing with The Cam johnson, trade like THAT

1321
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:32,159
i gave that trade A b BECAUSE i did think

1322
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:34,519
it was better for The nets and just in terms

1323
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:36,400
of how they leveraged their cap, space SO i gave

1324
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:36,719
them AN.

1325
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:37,119
Speaker 1: A BUT.

1326
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,559
Speaker 2: B it's not a bad. Grade everything they did after

1327
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:43,079
that was a flat out a AND i think that

1328
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:47,519
pushed The Michael Porter junior trade up to an. Acause,

1329
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:47,880
well you.

1330
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: Could look at it and, say right, like you Turned,

1331
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:53,639
Sarich Michael Porter junior and your twenty thirty two pick

1332
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:56,079
Into Jonas valanciunas And Cam.

1333
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:02,119
Speaker 2: Johnson, yeah and that's that's a perfectly reasonable. Return you

1334
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,719
also Signed Bruce, prown by the, WAY i want credit

1335
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,880
on that, one at least partial, credit Because i've been

1336
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,719
on that for a year that he would return To

1337
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,960
denver when his contract was, over AND i think that

1338
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:15,039
is the perfect place for him to come back and

1339
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:15,679
rehab his.

1340
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,239
Speaker 1: Value i'm gonna give you credit for absolutely. Nothing but,

1341
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,239
YEAH i, know Nice Josh, lord everyone give let's all

1342
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:26,880
have a moment of silence out of applause for. More go,

1343
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:27,880
ahead there you.

1344
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: Go is THIS i hesitate to ask this? Question is

1345
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:37,559
this the Best nuggets? Team That jokis just? Said, well look.

1346
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: At that that was a question the. Chat are they

1347
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,800
as good as twenty twenty Two? Denver So i'm assuming

1348
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,079
twenty twenty, two twenty twenty, THREE i mean doesn't, Okay

1349
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:47,760
so the answer to that question doesn't it kind of

1350
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,519
just hange on what version Of Jamal murray are you?

1351
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,199
Getting is? That is that? Too, NO i Know i'm

1352
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:57,639
being an. Asshole, NO i thought the same. Thing you're.

1353
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:01,599
Speaker 2: Not that's Why i'm. Laughing we're on the same. Page

1354
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,840
You're you're absolutely. Right BUT i want to stay optimistic

1355
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,320
About jamal because the alternative it's, just, oh that's so.

1356
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:12,679
Depressing but if, yeah we've just Seen jokic go through

1357
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,960
what his best season so far, ever so LIKE i

1358
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,480
don't think you'll see a significant drop off from. Him like,

1359
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:23,880
now he's actually got players who can back him up

1360
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:26,599
to the point where they don't lose you, know the

1361
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,440
primittent battle when he's on the, bench not at least not.

1362
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,760
Necessarily i'm Expecting Christian brown to get even. Better i'm

1363
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,840
Expecting Peyton watson to get even. Better i'm crossing my

1364
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,280
fingers That Julian strather is going to get. Better and

1365
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,119
now they also Have Tim Hardaway, junior who you said

1366
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:45,480
it before we start. Recording he's gonna feast in that.

1367
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,119
Role all the amount of open, threes it's gonna be.

1368
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:50,760
Insane and then you always you.

1369
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,599
Speaker 1: Need to fit like, well Not, phil but replace the

1370
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:56,760
quota of dumb shots taken By Michael Porter. Jr And

1371
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,639
Tim Hardway junior will give you those, too very very.

1372
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: True and also now you've Got Bruce, brownback who's a,

1373
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,719
connector who's a, defender, rebounder, playmaker and a bit of a.

1374
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:09,159
Shooter and that's even before getting into the fact That

1375
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:15,320
Cam johnson is probably structurally better Than Michael Porter junior

1376
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,159
in many. Respects offensively, SPEAKING i. Don't, Yeah SO.

1377
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:21,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you are you all concerned ABOUT

1378
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:24,039
i know everyone And Josh cronka guess was alluding To

1379
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:26,920
Michael Porter junior's health in that press conference he Had

1380
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,800
Cam johnson has never played in the equivalent of seventy

1381
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,039
games in AN nba, Season, like do you sign like

1382
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:33,159
any sort of concern to?

1383
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 2: That of COURSE i. Do like availability is a, thing

1384
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:41,359
especially in TODAY'S, nba so of course that's not something

1385
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:45,079
that went. Unnoticed but at the same, time given the cap,

1386
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:50,800
HIT i also just sort of think that when you're

1387
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,319
earning twenty one, million if you miss a handful of

1388
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,399
games every single, year it's not, optimal but it's easier

1389
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,640
to swallow if you're on a near max contract for

1390
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,760
a guy like, him, THOUGH i think when he's able

1391
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,119
to play off someone Like jokic and he's never played

1392
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:08,840
off someone that good, before perhaps we're gonna see more

1393
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:13,039
streamlined shots and perhaps that's gonna help him actually stay

1394
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:13,880
on the floor a little bit.

1395
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: More, YEAH i mean it. Could and ALSO i keep

1396
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,640
coming back to from just a value, PERSPECTIVE i think

1397
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,239
you can make the case that he is an upgrade

1398
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,279
Over Michael Porter junior than SEE i think he does

1399
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,039
a better job at points playing within, himself and if

1400
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:29,640
he's not so when they won the, TITLE i feel

1401
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,079
Like Michael Porter junior didn't receive enough credit on, defense

1402
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:34,600
and SO i feel like mpj's peak on defense is

1403
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,039
probably higher Than Cam. Johnson's BUT i feel Like Cam

1404
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:40,000
johnson has like a consistent, equilibrium like he's just gonna

1405
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,680
like he's not gonna be, great but he's never gonna

1406
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,720
be like terrible and completely checked out there.

1407
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: Either and he's a much better playmaker THAN mpg as,

1408
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,000
well like he will find those guys cutting on the

1409
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,960
baseline out of, nowhere like there's there's a like a

1410
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,520
short role game there THAT i think is underrated Or

1411
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,079
Cam so like the, inverse he can roll options between

1412
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,159
him And jokic and the fact that it's Not yogic

1413
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:13,720
necessarily delivering the final. Pass that's. Interesting, LIKE i think

1414
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,159
there are a lot of interesting Intriguing that was the

1415
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:20,520
word house looking for a lot of intriguing offensive implementation.

1416
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: Possibilities, look and do you know WHAT i like about,

1417
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,239
this because we've talked about this as. WELL i saw

1418
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:29,680
just a lot of people like being concerned about their

1419
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,000
defense leading into the off, season AND i came away

1420
01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:35,039
from their series against The, thunder AND i know The

1421
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,159
thunder's offense can be. SLOGGY i came away more worried

1422
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:41,720
about their offense Like denver's. Offense and so, THIS i

1423
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,319
mean the shooting from let's Say Cam. JOHNSON i, think in,

1424
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:49,159
net if they're both, Healthy Porter junior has more, size better.

1425
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:52,199
REBOUNDER i Think Cam johnson's a slight upgrade at, least

1426
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,279
like if they're both operating at the peak of their.

1427
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,640
Powers now you add The Tim Hardaway junior to the

1428
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,159
Equation Jonas Fallen chownish just as the backup five LIKE

1429
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,199
i feel better about Like Jonas valentunis can. GET i

1430
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,640
feel like his floor spacing has been overrated where it's

1431
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,039
like there's never been enough. Volume it's A i can't

1432
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:10,439
remember who said, it but it's a party. Trick like

1433
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,359
he cracks open like one or two three pointers a,

1434
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:16,359
game but like he can mash dudes like that's gonna

1435
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,319
give you another presence on the. Glass and the bigger, thing,

1436
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:21,000
too is it's not just about winning the minutes that

1437
01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:23,319
a kolok is off the. Floor it's about giving the

1438
01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:26,760
kola jokis more time to be off the. Floor and so,

1439
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,840
like like the usage that he has to shoulder on

1440
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,159
this team sometimes is just. Insane and last year he

1441
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,479
was at thirty six point seven minutes per, game which

1442
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,239
was very comfortably just a career. High he had never

1443
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:41,680
been over thirty five. Before and so now that he's

1444
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,880
just gonna go into his age thirty, season, NO i

1445
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,079
don't expect him to break, down but like this is

1446
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,680
LIKE i think this is good and if, anything you,

1447
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,640
KNOW i might, Question, okay how much value Does Jonas

1448
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,479
funchunis have you in a playoff? Setting BUT i think

1449
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,399
that For, denver you know what your best five man

1450
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,119
unit is gonna be in the. Playoffs it's how do

1451
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:03,560
we eat regular season innings and how do we like

1452
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:06,319
get to a point where we're not having to gun

1453
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:07,960
it down the stretch of the, season or there's not

1454
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,279
just so much waffling or so much. AMBIGUITY i think

1455
01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:13,359
they've done, That like there's just a lot of depth

1456
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:17,520
here and, now As danny meant and mentions in the,

1457
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,279
chat can they for their next trick like Turning charlotts

1458
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,840
Into yonah valenchuwn it's his peak. Opportunism, now how do

1459
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:27,000
they get rid of The Zi nause? CONTRACT i don't.

1460
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: Know let me talk About Jonas valentunas. INSTEAD i don't

1461
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,760
want to talk About. Signachi that's a waste of. Time

1462
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,039
that was, harsh but it's it's also. True just imagine

1463
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:41,960
the situation here where there's a late game presence where

1464
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,640
they have to go get a, board like The, knockles

1465
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,079
just have to go get the damn. Ball you can

1466
01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:50,079
Put jonas And nicola on the floor together and that

1467
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:55,079
is going to be just outrageous size. Outrageous they are

1468
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,359
so good at not just going both of them are

1469
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:00,880
great to just go getting the ball, right but they're

1470
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,119
also so great at reading, ankles like they will box

1471
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:09,079
the everlasting shit out like their guy also like relinguishing

1472
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:12,640
their own rebounds for someone else to swoop. In those

1473
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,039
two when they play in conjunction with each, other it's

1474
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:18,439
going to be so interesting on the. Glass in, particular

1475
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:21,560
good eat luck grabbing a Rebound with those two guys

1476
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:21,720
on the.

1477
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: Floor you think they're gonna Play Yo Kitchen valentinas.

1478
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,199
Speaker 2: Together not like for a whole, lot BUT i do

1479
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,239
think there's going to be some overlap here and. There, yes.

1480
01:13:32,279 --> 01:13:34,319
Speaker 1: That's. MAN i never even thought about it in those

1481
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:36,159
terms THAT i, mean that'd be a gigantic. ONE i,

1482
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:38,039
Mean houston would certainly do. It they would call The

1483
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:39,439
nuggets cowards for not doing.

1484
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 2: IT i would, ARGUE, i, LOOK i don't know the

1485
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,399
number of, this but we will absolutely see A nicola

1486
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,359
Jokicch yonna s final On chewns pick and roll this. Season. Absolutely.

1487
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:51,520
Speaker 1: Uh why so it says in the, chat and this

1488
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,119
Is i've thought a lot about The Ron holmes over

1489
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:56,039
the past couple of. MONTHS i was not like super

1490
01:13:56,079 --> 01:13:57,520
high on him coming out of the, draft but the

1491
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,159
idea of him as a floors facing room. Protector don't

1492
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:01,720
know how he gets minutes on this team, Now but

1493
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,880
maybe what you've done is increase the number of just

1494
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,520
like garbage time wins That timber has and you can

1495
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,520
get The Ron holmes out. There legend of Ox berman

1496
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,119
says that The nuggets are still gonna make trades With.

1497
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:14,920
Nause i've thought, SO i was gonna ask you About Christian.

1498
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,560
Brown it feels like them saving the money from going

1499
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,439
From Michael Porter Junior Cam. Johnson if you were ever

1500
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,479
concerned about them Paying Christian. BROWN i don't think you are.

1501
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:27,199
Anymore i've wondered in the context of, though what does

1502
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:28,880
this mean for. It does it make it more likely

1503
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,319
that they extend or bring Back Peyton watson after next?

1504
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,319
Season or do you view him as if they would

1505
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:36,760
they be willing to attach him To Zeke naugy, maybe

1506
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,880
or they even like A Julian strather because now you

1507
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,720
Have Tim Hardaway junior And Cam, Johnson, like what do

1508
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,439
you sort of make like The Christian brown. STUFF i

1509
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,000
THINK i might even say that he'll probably get extended

1510
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:48,159
now that they kind of have some certainty with how

1511
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,960
much cheaper they, are like going From Michael Porter junior

1512
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,600
To Cam johnson next. Season The Peyton watson of it

1513
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,239
all really fascinates, me, though so.

1514
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,199
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting BECAUSE i talked about this on The

1515
01:14:59,279 --> 01:15:03,680
danish podcast earlier today and AND i throughout how hypothetical

1516
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,439
That i've been thinking about for a. While, Now let's

1517
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:12,720
Assume Peyton watson agrees to a very modest contract. Extension

1518
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,680
he's extension ultible like eleven million straight like flat for.

1519
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,720
Example do you just do that and just just, say, okay,

1520
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,000
well the cab is still going to, increase and it's

1521
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:26,039
a flat, rate so his cap hit is going to

1522
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:27,920
or not cap, hit his cap percent is going to,

1523
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,399
decline and it's still so, WELL i, mean if it's

1524
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,479
a flat, rate it is true, True, Sue you're, right, Right,

1525
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,680
uh not by, MUCH i can see. That but still

1526
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,800
but if it's eleven million a year for like three,

1527
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,119
years that gives you, runway, right like that gives you

1528
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:50,439
runway for him to both you, know pop but also,

1529
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,159
like at no point would you think of that Contract

1530
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:55,119
Peyton watson eleven million a year and, goo oh that's

1531
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:59,960
screeches like it's. Straightable isn't that like a pretty fine

1532
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:00,960
like common ground.

1533
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,239
Speaker 1: Area, YEAH i, mean if he's gonna sign for, that

1534
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,439
if it's like a cheap contract where it's less if

1535
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,479
if he's gonna sign for less than the non tax

1536
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,359
payer mid, LEVEL i probably just pounce on. IT i

1537
01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:15,079
don't know if he he feels like the, quintessenter Maybe

1538
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:17,399
Jonathan kameningo will be a good lit miss test for

1539
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,960
like whatever he gets in this. MARKET i know he's

1540
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,680
shown more offensive starter Than Peyton. Watson let me be,

1541
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,600
clear like if he gets a lot of money in

1542
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,880
a limited, market, like does that embolden him to, say,

1543
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,319
oh if they're only gonna give me like let's say

1544
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:33,640
three for fifty six or four for, whatever, Right like

1545
01:16:33,159 --> 01:16:35,760
for like, That i'll just test. It i'm, sorry four

1546
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,600
for fifty six or four for sixty or. Something i'd

1547
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,399
be very curious to be a fly on the wall

1548
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,680
in those contract. Negotiations and if there if there are

1549
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,920
extension negotiations and you don't come to terms with. ONE

1550
01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:49,439
i wonder if he becomes a trade. CANDIDATE i know

1551
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,199
how restricted free agency, works but just With, denver you

1552
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,560
know you're gonna Pay Christian. Brown you got a little

1553
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,520
bit cheaper going From Michael porter To Cam. Johnson but

1554
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,680
like maybe you view that as, like, well that just

1555
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,119
made up the difference between Like Christian brown's.

1556
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: Raise and also if he isn't interested in citing that

1557
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,279
type of, contract if he's looking for a substantial amount

1558
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,279
more than that or a higher amount of, that that's

1559
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:13,600
when you pair him With signachi in the trade and

1560
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:14,439
use him to dump.

1561
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: It so what do those two make? Combine because He

1562
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,159
ignology is still like flowing around the nine twelve and a,

1563
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:23,520
half they make twelve and a half, combined and they

1564
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,079
HAVE i think four million in room beneath the first

1565
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:30,319
apron right, Now so you could get a sixteen million

1566
01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,960
dollar player unless my math is off, there that's, LIKE

1567
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,199
i don't know who that sixteen million dollar player, is

1568
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,399
but that's like, it that's. It that's an option you

1569
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,840
can explore because you're you're accomlishing two things at. Once

1570
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,239
then you're not Paying Peyton watson's next deal and you're

1571
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:48,840
getting off the balance of That Zeke nology. Contract, now

1572
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,840
that's not going to get you Like Kobe white as

1573
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,399
someone we'd like. That they's not gonna get You Kobe.

1574
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:54,920
White there's nowhere near what you can but like a

1575
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,399
sixteen million dollar, player like that's, somebody.

1576
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 2: Ah, see he said. Eighteen But Kevin heurd her same

1577
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:01,479
team different.

1578
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: Guard, yeah that's like you Have Tim hardaway junior, though

1579
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,640
And Cam johnson do you need? Him, yeah that's. FAIR

1580
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:12,279
i was thinking someone with more ball. HANDLING i don't know.

1581
01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:14,520
WHO i don't necessarily know. WHO i, mean Like Norman

1582
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,640
powell makes too, Much bogdanovich makes too. Much the one who.

1583
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,079
Speaker 2: Still don't Like Norman powell as like a bald. HANDLER

1584
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,560
i understand what you're, meaning, Though LIKE i still think

1585
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,840
he's more for like a straight line.

1586
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: Score this would Be, Oh Cole, anthony that's. Interesting he

1587
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,439
Wo they might be able to get him on The Bio.

1588
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: Martin at this, point, Right Cole anthony would be interesting.

1589
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,920
Here that's that's a flyer cret.

1590
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: Cup by, WAY i not already passed on The, kings

1591
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,319
but any news On Demort. Rosen, No king's just stuck with, Him,

1592
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:46,399
kay got? It, yeah you answer your own. Question i've

1593
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,920
kudos to. YOU i couldn't have said it anymore. Succinctly

1594
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,359
legend of box PERMENT i owe on the bulls is

1595
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:55,239
What i'm seeing. Now i'm wondering this is you could

1596
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:57,039
tell me If i'm an, Idiot but, like, so if

1597
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,119
you gave up your twenty thirty two second round pick

1598
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:01,199
With Zik naji is enough to get you io or,

1599
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:05,800
no you need to Include Peyton. Watson you, know.

1600
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,399
Speaker 2: It's an expiring contract for what is not an expiring?

1601
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,880
Contract like you're adding what how many? Years is? It like? Two?

1602
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:19,520
Two he's picking up his. Option that seems Again i'm

1603
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,880
trying to not be affected by the fact that The

1604
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,560
bulls are. Idiots what if.

1605
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,359
Speaker 1: We throw in Like Hunter tyson Or Jalen, pickett.

1606
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,039
Speaker 2: Give me The Ron, Holmes i'll do.

1607
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:33,520
Speaker 1: It, oh is that interesting with Valanc, like is that

1608
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,800
something you? Consider is that? Yeah hell, yeah we. Fit

1609
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,199
we did it, well you did, It you did, It

1610
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:41,600
you and legend Of Ox berriman did. IT i love.

1611
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:47,800
That so the Second Naji Dayron holmes For iotsumu and

1612
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,439
then we could just pencil The nuggets. In IS i,

1613
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,279
mean they're the second best team in The west to

1614
01:19:52,319 --> 01:19:56,600
me right? Now? Right, yeah their team's in the Conversation Houston,

1615
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,640
Minnesota BUT i Think.

1616
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: Albot houston has. Done BUT i Think denver because, yeah

1617
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:03,840
you finally had a year where you didn't take like

1618
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:04,640
enormous steps.

1619
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:09,359
Speaker 1: Back, YEAH i will say if Reed shepherd averages over

1620
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:11,680
twenty seven minutes per. Game i'll say The rockets for

1621
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,439
the second best team in The, east.

1622
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: Right because if he plays twenty seven minutes per, game

1623
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,239
he'll average forty eight. Points according to, you.

1624
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:20,199
Speaker 1: WELL i know you're being an, asshole and kudos to,

1625
01:20:20,279 --> 01:20:22,439
you and you should. Be but at the same, time

1626
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:24,920
if he is averaging twenty seven minutes per, game it's

1627
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,119
because something's gone right for him, though, Right otherwise you

1628
01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:28,319
wouldn't play him that.

1629
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:31,119
Speaker 2: Much or if something has gone horribly wrong with The

1630
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:32,680
rockets at, Large.

1631
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:34,319
Speaker 1: Danny matt and The west is going to be a

1632
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:36,520
blood bath next, year just like it is every. Year

1633
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,079
But i'm having an, normally there's LIKE i feel LIKE

1634
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:40,960
i have a very easy time of, saying, oh these

1635
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,319
are the top four, teams, RIGHT i can give you

1636
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,920
the top two right, now and Then i'm kind of

1637
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:50,520
three probably with The, rockets right. Yeah everyone else is

1638
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,359
just like because you could The rockets feel like the one,

1639
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:55,960
team not the one, team excuse. Me they they feel

1640
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,760
like a team that even if they don't, peak like

1641
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,199
they have a very high floor because even If Kevin,

1642
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,079
durant which is out for the, year The rockets might

1643
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:03,800
still win fifty.

1644
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: Games AM i? Insane for wanting to put The spurs

1645
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,119
up in like the top five.

1646
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: Area, yes you, ARE i just there, too relying on

1647
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,279
too many youngsters right? Now what about The clippers, Though.

1648
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh, well they have this one youngster who was kind of,

1649
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:19,920
good but, yeah, YEAH.

1650
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean it was Like. Champagne is he really even that? Young?

1651
01:21:22,359 --> 01:21:26,319
Speaker 2: He, yeah he's still got some time and he's actually six.

1652
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: Eight, ooh this is what we need to, do this quick.

1653
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,119
Exercise so our top three teams in The west are

1654
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:41,159
The thunder And i'm going in Order, Nuggets. Rockets, yeah

1655
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:42,880
and then after, THAT i think it's is it The

1656
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:46,199
it's got to Be, Clippers. Wolves maybe not in that.

1657
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: ORDER i uh, NO i would Say clippers over The

1658
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,760
wolves for me right now because The Brook lopez. ADDITION

1659
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:59,199
i really like, that despite the fact that he's, slower,

1660
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,520
older all that he can still shoot and still. Reprotector

1661
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:05,560
that gave them some depth AND i THINK i thought they.

1662
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,279
NEEDED i don't hate. That it's just it comes down

1663
01:22:08,319 --> 01:22:10,720
To kawai, again, right is he gonna be? Healthy what

1664
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,960
are we looking at? Here the way he looked in

1665
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,600
the playoffs was ridiculously. Good so if we're gonna get

1666
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,920
that over the, course of a full season or what

1667
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:21,920
is a full season for, him which is probably sixty.

1668
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:27,239
GAMES i, mean that's that's a formidable. Team so we.

1669
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:29,399
Speaker 1: Think we have our top five, then, right even if

1670
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:31,119
it's you want to fuck and fiddle with the order

1671
01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:31,920
a little.

1672
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,039
Speaker 2: Bit, WELL i MEAN i THINK i have my top.

1673
01:22:36,079 --> 01:22:41,319
Speaker 1: Four you don't think The timberwolves deserve like the the

1674
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:42,960
auto like fifth in.

1675
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,239
Speaker 2: There i'm skeptical of a couple of. Things so for,

1676
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:53,640
ONE i Thought Rudy gobert legitimately regressed this last. SEASON

1677
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,079
i thought we saw a noticeable tick down in his,

1678
01:22:57,159 --> 01:23:02,479
production his. EFFORT i think we're looking at the. DECLINE

1679
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,479
i think that has, started AND i think that is.

1680
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,760
Real they Lost Nikkil Alexander, walker WHICH i don't think

1681
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,319
of everyone has sort of like just an oh, okay

1682
01:23:11,359 --> 01:23:13,399
they lost. HIM i don't think that is just something

1683
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,720
you oh okay. AWAY i think that is a significant

1684
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,680
loss for. THEM i do think their depth is no

1685
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,760
longer as big of an asset that it has been

1686
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,880
in the play. Past even though they never had great,

1687
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:31,079
depth they had. Some Mike conley is about eight million

1688
01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:35,880
years old at this. Point HE'S i think he started humanity,

1689
01:23:36,039 --> 01:23:41,520
actually just like the time of. Man so we're looking

1690
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,159
at a team that is. Old do we trust like

1691
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:47,279
there are just so many unanswered. Questions do we Trust

1692
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:49,079
Rob dillingham to come in and take more? Minutes do

1693
01:23:49,119 --> 01:23:51,640
we Trust tar And Terrence Stannon junior to come in

1694
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,840
and play effectively over those courts those? Minutes Is donte

1695
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,159
Given gentzo gonna have a better start to this to

1696
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:02,680
this season compared to last? Season? Is and then my big, Question,

1697
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,039
dan and this is all like the, uncertainties and that's

1698
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:08,600
WHY i have a big, problem like just pigeonholing them into.

1699
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,760
Fifth like a guy Like jade, McDaniels we finally saw

1700
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,880
him become more of an offensive, player something that we've

1701
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,239
all been wanting to see for a long. Time is

1702
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:21,880
that going to be something that we see again next this?

1703
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,359
Year or he's gonna be a little bit more? Passive

1704
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,039
like there are just so many things that bother me

1705
01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:29,800
about that team to the point WHERE i can't lock

1706
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,439
them in At SO i think.

1707
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: The concerns you lay out are for sure Fair AND

1708
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,600
i might actually even say THAT i think you exaggerated

1709
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,479
how Much jade McDaniels grew on, offense which would be a.

1710
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: Problem all, right, fair but he's got. Better he started

1711
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,479
taking open. SHOTS i, mean.

1712
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,239
Speaker 1: But so my question would be what is so then

1713
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:49,680
what would be the team that you think is like then?

1714
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,520
Speaker 2: FIFTH i don't, Know, dan the off season is two days.

1715
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:54,159
OLD i have no.

1716
01:24:54,199 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Idea what see you're sitting here saying it's not The

1717
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:57,359
wolves as, Much.

1718
01:24:57,279 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: No it's not The. WOLVES i don't think it's The.

1719
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,760
WOLVES i think it. Is you.

1720
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,279
Speaker 1: Can't you can't say it's not The wolves and say.

1721
01:25:02,359 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 2: WHY i MEAN i kind of said, it but then

1722
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:09,119
you shut it down because you're an. Asshole that's.

1723
01:25:09,119 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: FAIR i have an. Asshole you got that, Right, like.

1724
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:17,159
Speaker 2: Well i'm just not ruling out The. Spurs i'm not

1725
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:17,720
ruling out The.

1726
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,359
Speaker 1: Spurs do you feel better about The spurs as an

1727
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:22,560
overall team next season then you do about The. TIMBERWOLVES

1728
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,319
i kinda. Do That's i'm, sorry that's insane to.

1729
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:31,279
Speaker 2: Me that's. Fine, Look i'm okay being. Wrong i'm just

1730
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:33,439
saying you asked, me And i'm giving you an honest.

1731
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,520
Answer there's a part of me that thinks that The

1732
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,840
spurs have work going for them than The, wolves.

1733
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: So we can remove like our performative hats for a,

1734
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,079
second there is a chance That wenby's just so good

1735
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:46,840
That spurs end up being like fourth or third in The.

1736
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,880
WEST i won't and they have The Iron. Fox Maybe

1737
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,239
Dylan harper's. Good like we, say there's always this learning

1738
01:25:52,279 --> 01:25:54,880
curve specifically for, guards And i'm, like there's probably stuff.

1739
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,560
Done it's the whether that's true or. Not but Like

1740
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,399
Dylan harper's role specifically should be more streamlined than the

1741
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,800
typical like top two pick coming. IN i just to

1742
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:10,439
bet on that With wenby's, health like you, know like how, Again, Oh.

1743
01:26:10,359 --> 01:26:12,199
Speaker 2: I'm not a big, Look i'm. Not i'm not packing

1744
01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:14,119
that in BECAUSE i have no Idea i'm not a.

1745
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,960
DOCTOR i don't know enough about are you on the?

1746
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: SHOW i?

1747
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Know, sorry this is getting so that's that's that's my

1748
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,079
Fa my. Bad i'll, Go i'll, Go i'll go. Train

1749
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:25,680
i'll come back in a couple of, years more than

1750
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:26,000
a couple of.

1751
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: Years so HERE'S i. Guess, like are there any other

1752
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,279
teams though then that belong in the mix for the,

1753
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:33,840
Top like do you Think memphis belongs in? There do The?

1754
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,520
WARRIORS i don't. Know we STILL i can't figure out

1755
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:37,600
what The lakers.

1756
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 2: Are DOING i can't. Know so The lakers is the

1757
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,119
one seam that's on the, bubble because, again it feels

1758
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:45,680
like there's something going on there Where lebron is sort

1759
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:50,520
of waiting things out if he's moved because he's dissatisfied

1760
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,359
with what they're. Doing that changes as calculus if we

1761
01:26:53,399 --> 01:26:55,920
assume that this is the current version of The, lakers you,

1762
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,960
know with one added, center and THEN i, AIDEN i don't,

1763
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:01,479
KNOW i don't know who that center is going to,

1764
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,079
be BUT i would probably put them in that conversation as.

1765
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:09,560
WELL i just don't think ask you, know currently we're

1766
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,119
discussing this On july. Second All july second for, Me

1767
01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:15,880
july first for. You we don't have enough data on

1768
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,600
The lakers based on The lebron, thing so that's WHY

1769
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,560
i kind of avoided.

1770
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: Them it's you're, right it's early into free. AGENCY i

1771
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,279
think that there's a clear top five right. Now if

1772
01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:26,439
you want to fuss with the, order and we have

1773
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,159
correct cuts saying how are we just plugging the nuggets

1774
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:30,720
in over The? Rockets is number? Two it's JUST i,

1775
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,319
mean it's just our. Opinion if you said The rockets

1776
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:33,560
are at number, Two i'm not really gonna.

1777
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,239
Speaker 2: Fight we're just asking, questions which is actually.

1778
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,079
Speaker 1: We're just making statements in particulars.

1779
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,199
Speaker 2: We're making we're asking questions to each. Other, no but but,

1780
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:43,920
Like i'm not trying to be an asshole with The

1781
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:44,479
wolves at.

1782
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: All you're doing a good job of it. ANYWAY i,

1783
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:47,560
AM i really.

1784
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:52,199
Speaker 2: Am IT'S i just think there are significant questions hovering

1785
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,439
around that. Franchise and, look they might prove me. Wrong

1786
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,600
it might be. Fine they might make The West finals

1787
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,000
again and just be, like shut up more and it's,

1788
01:27:59,039 --> 01:28:05,199
great maya colpa if that. Happens but something just doesn't

1789
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:06,439
pass the smell test here for.

1790
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,159
Speaker 1: Me, so in the interest of being forced to, choose

1791
01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:10,800
IF i had to pick my top six in The,

1792
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,600
west in probably like no particular, order but a semi particular,

1793
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:21,119
Order i'd HAVE, Okc, Denver, houston The, clippers The, wolves

1794
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:24,279
and my sixth team would Be i'm like way more

1795
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:26,119
tempted to Put dallas in here THAN i should. Be

1796
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,039
i'll go with The warriors. HERE i feel really good

1797
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:32,479
about them going through a training camp With Jimmy. Butler

1798
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,279
maybe if they Lose Jonathan comingo for nothing or if he's,

1799
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:37,079
back you have to worry about the. FIT i think

1800
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:40,319
THERE'S i think that team like having some practice time.

1801
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:43,439
Together and again this everything is health. Dependent you could

1802
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,479
Say STEP's are trillion years. OLD i get. It that's totally.

1803
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,640
FINE i think those are my top six as of

1804
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,119
right Now july the first twenty twenty? Five who would

1805
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:51,840
your top six?

1806
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Be go?

1807
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:58,319
Speaker 1: Ahead Is? Portland, Man i'd be telling who do you

1808
01:28:58,359 --> 01:29:00,479
feel better? About portland Or New? Orleans was the better

1809
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:01,199
record next? Year?

1810
01:29:01,279 --> 01:29:03,520
Speaker 2: No, Look i'm being an asshole again because they have

1811
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,079
To Monty. Kamara i'm just.

1812
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 1: ID i love To Monti. KAMARA i hope he gets his.

1813
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,359
Extension who would your top six?

1814
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: Be, okay See, Denver, Houston, clippers Fucking spurs.

1815
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: And Mel this might help you to, it says Is memphis.

1816
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,600
DISMISSED i don't think they're. DISMISSED i JUST i don't

1817
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,279
know THAT i trust. THEM i mean The tiger home,

1818
01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:32,640
SIGNING i really like that THAT.

1819
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,319
Speaker 2: I did, too and and the sentil Dom my. EXTENSION

1820
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:37,920
i really enjoyed it as. Well so my my number six.

1821
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,760
Team it really comes down, to like the Whole Los angeles,

1822
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,119
situation are we just Assuming lebron will be back and

1823
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:47,439
its virtually the, same seems right, now plus some center.

1824
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know.

1825
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Center, yeah that that would push them out of the top.

1826
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: Six for, me there's this kind of speaks to. It

1827
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,680
but the only Teams i'd be prepared to guarantee won't

1828
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,600
be within like playoff striking distance Are New orleans And.

1829
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:07,159
Speaker 2: Utah that's it right? RIGHT i, mean, look if it's top,

1830
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:10,520
six we just expanded our list with one. TEAM i

1831
01:30:11,079 --> 01:30:15,079
guess based off what they've done. RECENTLY i could be

1832
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,079
kind and Say, wolves even THOUGH i actually think it

1833
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:20,760
might be The, dubs to be honest with, you BUT

1834
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:24,800
i also concede that The wolves just have something. Brewing

1835
01:30:25,279 --> 01:30:28,439
like almost everything that goes against, them they'll turn into

1836
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,199
a positive, somehow some. Way they're sort of like The

1837
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:37,079
pacers of The west in many. Ways, Yeah i'll give them.

1838
01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:38,640
That i'll give them that Six Seeds.

1839
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Wolves that comments for you. More shout out B r

1840
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,439
for having the level head on this.

1841
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,039
Speaker 2: Podcast that's.

1842
01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 1: Fair oh, Man, look he might not be. Wrong gates

1843
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,119
will not be with the playoffs STRIKE.

1844
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:54,079
Speaker 2: I, mean are are are we really that low on

1845
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:57,079
the spurs in? Total what have? We you?

1846
01:30:57,079 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Know what it? Is it's LIKE i just him and dear,

1847
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,159
him like We wemby And deer And. Fox they play

1848
01:31:03,159 --> 01:31:06,279
a lot together last. Year there's their reliant on two

1849
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:09,920
god like, really they're excellent prospects In castle And, harper

1850
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,720
but there's still prospects all the, Same like do they

1851
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,840
have enough shooting like like on this team in? GENERAL

1852
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,920
i guess There's Devin, Bissell There's Keldon johnson can shoot

1853
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,399
it pretty well for. Stretches There's Harrison barnes is. THERE

1854
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,479
i would have felt a lot better with The spurs

1855
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,520
if they were The Cam johnson. TEAM i can tell

1856
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,359
you that much like that might have convinced me to

1857
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:29,279
throw them in the top.

1858
01:31:29,319 --> 01:31:32,079
Speaker 2: SIX i think that is. Fair And i'm also not

1859
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:34,640
a fan of The Luke cornett deal. NECESSARILY i think

1860
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,399
they could have done more interesting.

1861
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:41,560
Speaker 1: Stuff cornett getting more per year guaranteed Than Brook lopez

1862
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:42,439
is not SOMETHING i saw.

1863
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,239
Speaker 2: Coming, No, no and, look he's he's not. Bad LIKE

1864
01:31:46,359 --> 01:31:49,720
i love the rim. DEFENSE i love the fact that

1865
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,600
he is such a smart player in terms of his shot.

1866
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,079
SELECTION i do hope he's going to start shooting threes

1867
01:31:56,119 --> 01:31:58,479
again In San antonio BECAUSE i think that's where a

1868
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:03,720
lot of his value, lies and if you start shooting threes,

1869
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,079
again then perhaps IF i, SQUINT i can see the.

1870
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:11,399
VISION i thought four years was a little too, long

1871
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,640
AND i thought the money were a little too.

1872
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: Big BUT i think If i'm not, MISTAKEN i don't

1873
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,359
know how. MUCH i don't know how much better you'll

1874
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:21,920
feel about. This but the final year of that contract

1875
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:22,319
is a team.

1876
01:32:22,359 --> 01:32:27,079
Speaker 2: Option now that that is at least. Better, yeah so three? Years, yeah,

1877
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:28,279
yeah The west.

1878
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:30,239
Speaker 1: Is BUT i can't even remember who had this. Comment

1879
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,159
grant's gonna proud of you for talking About Golden. State,

1880
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,640
yes thank, You. DAN i had to get My grant

1881
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,479
quota in. There, yeah The west is gonna be a blove.

1882
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:37,760
BATH i can't even remember who had the, comment but

1883
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,000
you're absolutely right that Was that's gonna have to be

1884
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,079
its own podcast once things settled. Down is tearing that

1885
01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:45,439
conference off two more teams to get To one's just

1886
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,520
a mini. Note i'd like to pay a little homage to.

1887
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,520
THEM i think That Charlotte hornets are being pretty opportunistic,

1888
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,479
here like just they're able to trade vacillate after getting

1889
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,199
him From, phoenix like To. Milwaukee to your comment in two,

1890
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:00,039
seconds which you're conveying in twenty and thirty one in

1891
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:04,039
twenty thirty. Two, NOW i don't think That Pat conninson's

1892
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,039
a difference, maker but he, could in theory play for

1893
01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:08,399
a team that doesn't necessarily have a ton of. Wings

1894
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,920
and now you get two seconds that are super interesting

1895
01:33:12,039 --> 01:33:15,520
BECAUSE i think that they're one of them Is. Milwaukee's it's,

1896
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,079
like that's super, interesting AND i just WANT i want

1897
01:33:19,119 --> 01:33:21,600
to put like The nurkic trade For Sexton grant AND

1898
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,600
i talked about are they trying to like kind of

1899
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,359
win next. Season, no that was just pure, opportunism just

1900
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:30,159
like he fell into their. Lap this is someone who

1901
01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:32,800
are they gonna get more than use Of nurkic in

1902
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,600
a second round pick if they move com section at

1903
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,399
the trade? Deadline my bet.

1904
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:37,319
Speaker 2: Would be, Yes, yes.

1905
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely SO i just wanted to shout out To Charlotte hornets,

1906
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,560
again WHO i don't think they have a lot of

1907
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:46,600
certainty in, place BUT i have under The Jeff Predison

1908
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,520
Jeff peterson front. OFFICE i Know i'm a broken record

1909
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,840
for anyone who's a loyal. LISTENER i like the process.

1910
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,199
There it feels like it's on. POINT i didn't love

1911
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:57,720
The salon pick doesn't look any better. NOW i like

1912
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,199
the continent hppile pick for. SURE i might have just

1913
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:02,199
Taken Ace belly there anyway IF i were, Them but

1914
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,640
that's neither here nor. THERE i at least like. That

1915
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,920
this seems like a team that knows how to be,

1916
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:13,159
opportunistic that is focusing on the bigger. Picture, No Charlotte hornet's,

1917
01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:14,760
thought you want to get A LaMelo ball take off

1918
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:15,960
before we move on to our final.

1919
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Topic, NO i Think i've played in most of the hits.

1920
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,359
Today i'm, okay BUT i agree with. YOU i agree with.

1921
01:34:22,399 --> 01:34:26,239
YOU i gave them a very favorable grade for That

1922
01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:30,000
jazz trade as. Well, look this is what they're supposed to,

1923
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,359
do all, Right, well fuck, it let's talk About. LaMelo

1924
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,840
he we don't know how much he's gonna, play so

1925
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,800
have a guy Like Collin sex to just basically absorb

1926
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:44,039
those minutes if he's. Injured, again that's a big. Get

1927
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:46,199
that is not nothing like that is a guy who

1928
01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:49,000
can come in and get you eighteen twenty twenty two. Points,

1929
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,239
see he's playing starting caliber minutes AND i, know, oh

1930
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:57,720
rob points, sport but still having that, skill having that

1931
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,960
option you can go to when you need a buck

1932
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:03,319
and you can ask someone to consistently do. So and

1933
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:06,760
also high efficiency. Too people don't seem to recognize. This

1934
01:35:07,399 --> 01:35:10,000
everyone's so busy calling a guy like him and also Like,

1935
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,560
saclovine those guys Like chuckers all, Right Collin sexton during

1936
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:19,359
his His jazz, tenure true shooting percentage over sixty as

1937
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:21,520
a six to two point guard or a six two

1938
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,800
guard off. Guard, like the efficiency is. There he's not

1939
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,199
someone who is just jacking up shots and you, know

1940
01:35:29,279 --> 01:35:30,720
making like four to percent of. Them he's not a.

1941
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:35,319
Speaker 1: Lamello i'm gonna let that slide and we're gonna move

1942
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:38,199
on to our final, topic which actually finds semi. Interesting

1943
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:43,039
So Shake. Gilders alexander signs His supermax, extension which checks

1944
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:44,960
in a little bit lower than we had, thought two

1945
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:47,199
hundred and eighty five point four. MILLION i, hope hopefully

1946
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:50,720
that's enough money FOR sga and his. WEALTH i don't

1947
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,119
know if it. Is his total contract value now is six,

1948
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:55,520
years three hundred and sixty four point five million. Dollars

1949
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,359
he signed through his age thirty two. Season his salary

1950
01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:00,399
is going to be seventy nine million in the final.

1951
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,279
Year WHAT i FIND i mean This shay. Stuff this

1952
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,399
was just the, easiest, single easiest decision that The thunder

1953
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:10,800
had this, offseason, Right. Yep WHAT i find interesting is

1954
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,199
when you we're now getting to a point where if

1955
01:36:13,239 --> 01:36:17,399
these cap projections, hold these max deals or any deal

1956
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,359
that is signed with an eight percent raise is going

1957
01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:23,840
to outpace the salary cap. Growth so Like shay is

1958
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,399
basically projected to be worth over thirty seven percent of

1959
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,760
the salary cap by the end of this, Deal And i'm.

1960
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,880
CURIOUS i know that sounds like a small, number but

1961
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,359
like typically you signed him to a thirty five percent,

1962
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,760
max and at this, rate what like they're normally worth

1963
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,399
like twenty nine or thirty percent by the end of.

1964
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:41,720
IT i don't like actually know. Offhand and now if

1965
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,119
that value goes, UP i am. Curious this is NOT

1966
01:36:44,319 --> 01:36:46,520
okac is not getting rid Of Jet homegrand Or John.

1967
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,119
Williams this is not that is.

1968
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 2: Not Getting they're getting rid Of.

1969
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,119
Speaker 1: Shade that's where this is. Going they're gonna trade. Shit,

1970
01:36:53,239 --> 01:36:56,119
No i'm just curious to see how if you get

1971
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:59,399
to a point where it's not eight plus percent of, growth,

1972
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:03,760
like if that changes team building approaches at, all because

1973
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,600
you do have to then worry about those out, years

1974
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,359
because it's not just you're signing him at thirty five

1975
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:10,000
percent and it was always going to be thirty five.

1976
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,960
Percent you're used to that number going down and now it's.

1977
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:15,039
Increasing so when you look at it and, say, oh

1978
01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:18,119
he's only worth two percent more of the salary, cap he's.

1979
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:20,920
Not it's like really closer to like seven or eight

1980
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:26,199
percent more of the salary. Cap, additionally not in, general

1981
01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:27,800
if he was worth only eight percent of the salary,

1982
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,560
cap he'd Be Kenrich. Williams, basically you.

1983
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 2: Might have to tell our viewers and listeners why his

1984
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:37,560
salary can exceed the thirty five percent.

1985
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,319
Speaker 1: Max what do you mean THOUGHT i just? Did he

1986
01:37:40,359 --> 01:37:43,640
gets eight percent raises and the cap off his max.

1987
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 2: Salary OH i THOUGHT i actually thought you skirted over.

1988
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,359
Speaker 1: That, yeah, well and again MAYBE i was just. Rambling so,

1989
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:52,039
like this is a little bit into the, weeds And

1990
01:37:52,039 --> 01:37:54,000
i'm sure some people appreciate, it some people. Don't but

1991
01:37:54,319 --> 01:37:56,760
so shake Ya tungxander signs his thirty five percent of

1992
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,640
the salary cap max. Contract your capped in, theory like

1993
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,399
YOUR mac salary is capped at that thirty five percent

1994
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,119
of the salary. Cap but you get raises off of.

1995
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:09,079
That his raises are going to be eight percent year

1996
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:12,199
over year right off the base, salary off the base,

1997
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,640
Salary so it's eight percent of that thirty of that

1998
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,159
initial salary in the first year of his.

1999
01:38:17,239 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 2: Deal right when.

2000
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: The cap that's not a. Problem but when the cap

2001
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,800
is only increasing by a projected like seven percent or

2002
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,479
six percent rather than ten, percent he has his salary

2003
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,520
then goes. Up he's actually accounting for a larger percentage

2004
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,199
of the salary, cap which that does impact team building.

2005
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,680
Mechanisms and again With shay, specifically especially the. Timeline this his.

2006
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:39,560
Prime he's still going to be in the middle of

2007
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,800
it when this. Ends and so it's not Will shade

2008
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:43,600
be worth this? Contract, no that's not what this is.

2009
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,359
About it's just as this becomes more common around the

2010
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:49,520
league and the salary cap projections could. Hold i'm just

2011
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,600
very interested to see if it changes approaches at all.

2012
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: Here, right it's going to be a fascinating, thing just

2013
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,119
the annual, races because we heavily expected it will be

2014
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:05,199
ten percent throughout basically the ENTIRE. Cpa now where it

2015
01:39:05,239 --> 01:39:07,800
is coming in seven, percent but that do we know

2016
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,239
how far out that? Is is that is it projected

2017
01:39:10,279 --> 01:39:13,439
to be seven percent year over year or is it

2018
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,039
just next season that's like in danger of coming in.

2019
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: LOWER i think it's the out years as, well because

2020
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:23,960
the fact that he is worth so like as of right,

2021
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,840
now shaz is meant to be thirty seven and a

2022
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,439
half percent of the salary cap in, two thirty, two

2023
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,399
and thirty. One SO i THINK i wonder if automatically

2024
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,880
those projections just assume static. Growth, oh it's seven percent next,

2025
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,760
year so now it's going to continue to rise by seven.

2026
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: Percent you know what's gonna be really messy is if

2027
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,680
there are some years where's the full, ten then some

2028
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,720
it's like six or seven, percent then it goes back to.

2029
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,800
Ten it'll be like that will be just so tough

2030
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:56,159
just FOR nba teams to navigate in let alone us

2031
01:39:56,359 --> 01:39:59,039
who sit behind a, microphone that's gonna be hell.

2032
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:02,359
Speaker 1: Where where if it's. Vacillating but like that was kind

2033
01:40:02,399 --> 01:40:05,720
of the before they had the caps moving, Effect like

2034
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,680
And i'm, wondering like it's just it's just something to

2035
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,399
put a pin. In it's not going to impact the.

2036
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,159
Thunder their core is going to remain, together but this

2037
01:40:12,199 --> 01:40:14,279
is something to put a pin in at a time

2038
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:15,880
when like you're kind of already putting a pin. In,

2039
01:40:16,359 --> 01:40:19,880
okay how is team spending changing in the era of The?

2040
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,039
Aprons AND i, think, look a lot of people have

2041
01:40:22,119 --> 01:40:24,920
come away thinking that the middle class wasn't hurt and

2042
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:28,359
that this summer proves. IT i guess they're, right but

2043
01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:30,479
it also just feels like they a lot of them

2044
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,520
just got paid by their own. Teams like we saw

2045
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,560
something like Ty, jerome okay Left, cleveland but like the

2046
01:40:36,079 --> 01:40:37,840
quote unquote middle, CLASS i felt like a lot of

2047
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,279
them just went back to their teams or like you

2048
01:40:40,319 --> 01:40:43,680
see guys leaving Like Ersan yabuseli left for The mini

2049
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:44,920
Mle SO i don't really.

2050
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,079
Speaker 2: Know tijerome didn't even get said million a.

2051
01:40:47,159 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Year, yeah, no you got the room, exception and so

2052
01:40:49,079 --> 01:40:50,880
like maybe you just, View, Okay Ti jerome wasn't worth

2053
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:53,199
any more than. That it's just something to put a

2054
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:56,239
pin in at a time where and also these. Numbers

2055
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,199
someone pointed this. OUT i think it Was Jared. DUBIN

2056
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,199
i know that these salaries need to be conveyed in

2057
01:41:01,279 --> 01:41:04,319
terms of cat, percentages which we just did With. Shays

2058
01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:09,119
that being, said it's just like you're gonna get to

2059
01:41:09,159 --> 01:41:11,000
a point where you've mentioned where the money is gonna

2060
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,399
be so much that it doesn't, matter and we're gonna

2061
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:17,359
see someone take. Less i'm just wondering does that point,

2062
01:41:17,399 --> 01:41:19,439
come and if, so when does it? Come BUT i

2063
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,279
also sort of WONDER i don't think the discourse around

2064
01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:24,720
THE nba is gonna get any better when you start

2065
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,399
to see these raw, Numbers like If Anthony edwards as right,

2066
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,039
now AND i think because the cat projections are, changing he,

2067
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:32,239
won't but he was in line to be the NBA's

2068
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,439
first one hundred million dollars a year. Player when you

2069
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,000
look at the way that extensions will game, OUT i

2070
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:39,680
just feel like once you see players making eighty million

2071
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,840
dollars a year or, something and then there's still gonna

2072
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,479
be to talk about load management or the length of,

2073
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:48,079
SCHEDULE i feel like there's the potential for THE nba

2074
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:49,960
discourse to somehow deteriorate even.

2075
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 2: FURTHER i didn't even know that was. Possible great on

2076
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,960
that uplifting note by. Everyone great, well Thanks.

2077
01:41:58,039 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Dan don't you see Where i'm because, right like these numbers,

2078
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,600
ARE i know we have to view them in terms

2079
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,720
of percentage of the cap like eighty million bucks a

2080
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:05,640
year is, like that's.

2081
01:42:07,279 --> 01:42:10,279
Speaker 2: Look our mutual Buddy Brian sappork has made this point

2082
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for years. Now he's absolutely. Right eventually something like a

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player is gonna look, look, no we actually have Seen Jalen,

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brunson for, example say look that it's an enormous amount of.

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Money i'm okay not taking like the full. Max i'm

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okay not going that. Route so the question is are

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there going to be more players who do? This AND

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i hope it's the stars because like they still earn

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a ton and if some of that money will be

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like redistributed to the midsier guys or even the low end, guys.

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Speaker 1: Like let you keep a cord, Together, yeah for. Sure

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it's AGAIN i don't like giving like the owners a

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built thing top out, Though so it's like it's a

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very tricky. Situation but AND i think we will always

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try to, remember like the numbers are the, numbers and,

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look the reporting on them is never going to. Change THE,

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nfl don't they STILL i don't, KNOW i don't really

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follow it that closely, Anymore like they still report the

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entire contract value rather than just what's.

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Speaker 2: GUARANTEED i feel like they do. Both like now the

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coverage is so like PLAYER x assigned for fifty for

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three million with twenty seven million. Guaranteed so, okay that's.

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Speaker 1: GOOD i will say it probably becomes a little bit

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more difficult unless the agent is sending shams as information of,

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oh look like this is what the percentage of the

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salary cap, is.

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Speaker 2: And Then schams is gonna make sure he breaks it

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into four different, tweets and then if you don't catch

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all four of, them you have no idea what the

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fuck is going? On, yep, right, Right.

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Speaker 1: So just something to. Monitor But, shay this was an

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easy decision for The. THUNDER i Expect jdubb and Chet

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holmgrin to soon follow. Suit right, more anything else you

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want to talk about before we get, Out we said

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we were going to do in an, hour so true to,

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form we did about twice that.

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Speaker 2: Much we did about. Twice, No i'm just curious that's

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What Frank lilakina is going to get on his things.

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Speaker 1: DEAL i, mean he's got to be the NBA's first

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one hundred million dollars a, Year like they're going to

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circumvest the salary cap rules to play.

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Speaker 2: Him, yeah, right to pay it that, much you'll.

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Speaker 1: Have an ownership steak under the table with whoever signs.

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Speaker 2: HIM i think, So like The lakers just sold for ten,

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billions what how how big of an ownership?

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Speaker 1: Stake he'll get probably ten percent of the, team, RIGHT

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i would, think, right that feels.

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Speaker 2: Fair it seems that seems.

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Speaker 1: Reasonable absolutely before we S, cadato can you tell everyone who's,

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watching who's, listening where they can find.

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Speaker 2: You and all the work that you, Do, yes, sir

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you can find out work over at jah Who, sports

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over To hoorbes and THE ump podcast and a yak

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chips that they speak gash.

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Speaker 1: Plus ro until next. Time and as always we would

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just shout out to one the only the NBA's first

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one billion dollar a year player in the bank, game

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mister what's his? Name Work Frank indian