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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of September thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode thirteen, Hearts

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<v Speaker 1>and Minds. Our theme has previously been bad dads. Into this,

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<v Speaker 1>we add a bad cis. Yeah it was holy cow, Shannon. Yeah, yike,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought you were just kind of a twit, but

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<v Speaker 1>that is some twisted hum leap you got going on there,

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<v Speaker 1>poor boone, and honestly like skipping around.

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<v Speaker 2>But Locke somehow drugs Boon and makes him think Shannon's.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead, the emphasis on somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, somehow, like creates a paste of god knows what

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<v Speaker 2>he found in the jungle, applies it to Boone's open wound.

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<v Speaker 1>On the top of his head. Yes, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>He has this whole extended hallucination where he thinks at

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<v Speaker 2>the end he thinks Shannon's dead. Later he finds out

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<v Speaker 2>she's not dead. Locke says, but how did you feel

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<v Speaker 2>when you thought she was dead? And he said relieved?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said meto. I was like, I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fine with her be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then they got kill off one of these people,

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't have minded. But apparently that was not

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<v Speaker 2>the Did.

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<v Speaker 1>You catch on at all that it was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>or did you think it was for real? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was real. That's why I was like

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<v Speaker 2>when she was dead, I was like, okay, I can

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<v Speaker 2>I can live with that.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, she died in his arms. She looked pretty dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought she was already pretty much a goner

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<v Speaker 2>when she was laying there with her all slashed to bits.

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<v Speaker 1>You well, just I mean, it felt very real.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's what happened to the pilot, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he got like slurped up by the monster and thrown

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<v Speaker 2>in a tree and shredded up. So yes, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep that time that that monster took somebody else exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I approve of the choice. But boy, those custom may

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<v Speaker 1>visions that are going to make him see exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>Lucke wants him to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's some pretty impressed there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the island it is weird. It will do things

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<v Speaker 1>weird for sure. And Lucke as well, Yeah, just just

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<v Speaker 1>have a talk with the young man. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you really need to go on trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But well, and how did he know that, like

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<v Speaker 2>aside from the specific vision like that he wanted him

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<v Speaker 2>to have, Like, yeah, he would have to know that

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<v Speaker 2>there was some sort of doubt or something in Boone's mind, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>make that effective.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just been observing their dynamic and thinking something ain't

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<v Speaker 1>right or what because he does not have the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of watching the flashbacks as weally And oh man, yeah, Icky,

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<v Speaker 1>so perhaps instead of warning sayid off, Boone should have

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<v Speaker 1>been warning him of her yeah, to get involved, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>He's definitely bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Can take care of himself, right, Oh golly, you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>just flying to Australia to handle your sister's unfortunate affairs. This,

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<v Speaker 1>this will be our parenting lesson. Don't set up that

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic between your children, yeah, your step children. Do not

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<v Speaker 1>put one in charge of the other and then expect

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<v Speaker 1>them to go clean up the messes. It's not fair

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<v Speaker 1>And it ends up like this. It ends up with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody being relieved that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other, the other one was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>A monster, the big goodness, it's start. It's not real.

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<v Speaker 1>Still there tormenting me? Ah yeah, and when uh lock

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<v Speaker 1>set up this thing where boone is tied up in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way that he can with maximum agony, the

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<v Speaker 1>knife and get himself loose. And it's like, with adequate

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<v Speaker 1>motivation you can cut yourself and then of course hearing

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<v Speaker 1>her scream is adequate motivation. Yes, it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>the old parenting trope of you could lift up a

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<v Speaker 1>car your child is under there. If our kids are

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble, we will dislocate our shoulders to reach that knife.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, although they do, they they definitely have a

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<v Speaker 2>more complex relationship than parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, child, but it is externally sort of a parent

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<v Speaker 1>role that Boone plays in going to rescue her, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again, and she plays on that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not talk about that without the incest part y. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a technicality, yes, but if if, if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>father father rescuing situation would be some yeah, but still no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. No, don't do that, especially since you

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<v Speaker 1>know he wants to. So yeahh Shannon, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think Walcke is kind of competing with Jack

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<v Speaker 1>now to be the island papa. He's a bad dad

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<v Speaker 1>to Boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a bad dad, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Charlie's like, yeah, me so that I gave up Herolin.

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<v Speaker 1>He's my favorite. He's the only one I trust. Jack's like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>My job, my job.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode could have been subtitled yeah, just wanders around

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<v Speaker 1>the island talking to people, just checking up, checking up

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<v Speaker 1>on his kingdom, you know, walking around, chatting, approving of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't have any like medical emergencies to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't really have a plot.

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<v Speaker 2>He had just figure something else out.

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<v Speaker 1>Island dad checking in with the kids, you know, But

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<v Speaker 1>now he finds he has a competitor, and Lucke is

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<v Speaker 1>I've enjoyed that character since we found out what his

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<v Speaker 1>secret was. But he's he's getting a little nuts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>get a little dark. Yeah, you know, Hurley's got a point.

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<v Speaker 1>Get us some bar. What are you doing? What do

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the hatch isn't going anywhere, Like, take a

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<v Speaker 2>day off, get some.

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<v Speaker 1>Bore, think about it, Maybe some explosives.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe look for Claire for five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like whay is nobody looking for Claire? Gosh, she'll

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<v Speaker 1>find her way back. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that pregnant girl, whatever happened to her?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hear name. Yeah, yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not good. Yeah, nobody seems concerned either.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get that. That seems like a plot hole. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like they just kind of got tired of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that for a while. But I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>are to think that the continued Shannon said, uh, project

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<v Speaker 1>of translating things and said figuring out what direction is

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<v Speaker 1>north and all these things are a way to get

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of where to go, I guess instead of

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<v Speaker 1>wandering around. But yes, it's like and also we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a sense of how many days have transpired.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I mean it's just I just don't buy

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody like Kate right or is just like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just plant our garden, you know, like so

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<v Speaker 2>that we can have some fruit six months from now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, yeah, it's very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>She's already proved herself over and over to be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll save you, you know, I'll go whatever whatever's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to be involved in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of folks here with the Savior

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<v Speaker 1>complex who are just sitting on it, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why they're just waiting to get to that point

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<v Speaker 1>in the season when they can spring the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why Claire doesn't merit any concern? Is upset?

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<v Speaker 1>This really was kind of a time marking episode, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I Mean, there's nothing that happened here that would probably

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<v Speaker 1>have been missed had it not occurred. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We just got the Boone and Shannon backs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we all kind of knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the Shannon and Boone relationship was messed up, just what

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<v Speaker 1>we see for ourse, But the lesson the better that

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, we got the uh Son made the

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<v Speaker 1>made the mistake, the rookie mistake of laughing at a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>She revealed herself to Kate. Yes, so now understanding English.

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<v Speaker 2>Now two people know she speaks English.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot that not everybody knows. I thought that a

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<v Speaker 1>wider circle of people knew, and we're just keeping it

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<v Speaker 1>from gin Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, I assume that has to.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked the perfect question to shut Kate up. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you never lied to an you love? Well, that's my

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<v Speaker 1>whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>So yep, I've been talking about that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The watch the flashback sun and you will find out

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<v Speaker 1>how many times I have done just that. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen my little toy airplane? I bet there was some

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<v Speaker 1>line to a man she loves involved in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think as parents, we've all had

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<v Speaker 1>the situation where we're trying to do important things. We're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, run a little society. We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure people are safe. We're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of things, and one little kid is going,

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<v Speaker 1>what's for dinner? I'm hungry. I don't like this. I

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<v Speaker 1>want something else, or Hurley or Hurley and his unhappy stomach. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna survive on fruit? Is that one afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Gin for fish? No more bore coming through what

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<v Speaker 1>he's just this is what's on his mind. Pos talks

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody about where's the food? So he finally gets

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<v Speaker 1>himself a that's a cleaned but uncooked fish, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose it's yes, a peace offering. Yes, better than

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<v Speaker 1>an urchin or whatever that was he gave him to

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<v Speaker 1>And Gin respectfully declined to pee on his foot, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he understood. Maybe he understood, and it's just like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to be doing that. We very briefly

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<v Speaker 1>and for no apparent reasons, saw Michael Vincent and waltm

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<v Speaker 1>just as a reminder every of these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Are still here.

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<v Speaker 1>Table that okay, next week, next week?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, not so much to say about this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because it was, you know, it was just ambling around

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<v Speaker 1>like Jack. But keep in mind the bit of business

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<v Speaker 1>with the compass. Okay, I think it's not a spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but what if it's not broken? What if

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<v Speaker 1>the island is just weird?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that doesn't seem like a spoiler. That seems

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<v Speaker 2>like something we do know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place where you can pick some plants and

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<v Speaker 1>give somebody a custom designed trip, make sure he resolves

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<v Speaker 1>his issues with I would like to order up one

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<v Speaker 1>sibling messed up sibling relationship hallucination.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, just walk on down to the island pharmacy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, you know, very specific. He's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>hallucinating opening the hatch or doing whatever he does in

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<v Speaker 1>his wedding empire or whatever. Specifically, his sister being torn

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<v Speaker 1>apart by a monster relatable. So we will hope for

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<v Speaker 1>something more satisfying next episode. Uh episode fourteen of Lost,

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<v Speaker 1>which is special. Now we heard in this one that

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon was special, but I don't think that's the special

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to be. I believe this is a

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<v Speaker 1>Michael flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So also like a terrible title for an episode

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<v Speaker 2>because is it a special episode? You know, is it

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<v Speaker 2>a like out of cong continuity, like yes, very special

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas episode or what.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing that on the lostipedia uh list and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it was like a special episode because later in

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<v Speaker 1>the season they have a recap episode. I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that's what this was. And then when we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, Walt getting his number and backgammon all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, are we supposed to think there's something special

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<v Speaker 1>about him? So then what I saw, I was like, Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Maybe him, maybe somebody else. Maybe there's just

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<v Speaker 1>they're all spec Yeah, and that's why they're on the island.

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<v Speaker 1>His hand picked them especially to come and plant things

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<v Speaker 1>and catch fish and kill bares and pry opened this

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<v Speaker 1>nasty hatch that's been bothering it. Yes, and in manlike law,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll figure it out. He'll stare at it for how

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<v Speaker 1>many months you'll come to him? You know what. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a resourceful dude. And we will see you back here

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow to discuss only murders in the building, another show

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