Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of September thirtieth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode thirteen, Hearts
Speaker 1: and Minds. Our theme has previously been bad dads. Into this,
Speaker 1: we add a bad cis. Yeah it was holy cow, Shannon. Yeah, yike,
Speaker 1: we thought you were just kind of a twit, but
Speaker 1: that is some twisted hum leap you got going on there,
Speaker 1: poor boone, and honestly like skipping around.
Speaker 2: But Locke somehow drugs Boon and makes him think Shannon's.
Speaker 1: Dead, the emphasis on somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow, like creates a paste of god knows what
Speaker 2: he found in the jungle, applies it to Boone's open wound.
Speaker 1: On the top of his head. Yes, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He has this whole extended hallucination where he thinks at
Speaker 2: the end he thinks Shannon's dead. Later he finds out
Speaker 2: she's not dead. Locke says, but how did you feel
Speaker 2: when you thought she was dead? And he said relieved?
Speaker 2: And I said meto. I was like, I was kind
Speaker 2: of fine with her be.
Speaker 1: Well, then they got kill off one of these people,
Speaker 1: she's the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't have minded. But apparently that was not
Speaker 2: the Did.
Speaker 1: You catch on at all that it was a dream
Speaker 1: or did you think it was for real? No?
Speaker 2: I thought it was real. That's why I was like
Speaker 2: when she was dead, I was like, okay, I can
Speaker 2: I can live with that.
Speaker 1: He said, she died in his arms. She looked pretty dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she was already pretty much a goner
Speaker 2: when she was laying there with her all slashed to bits.
Speaker 1: You well, just I mean, it felt very real.
Speaker 2: Because that's what happened to the pilot, right, I mean
Speaker 2: he got like slurped up by the monster and thrown
Speaker 2: in a tree and shredded up. So yes, that's why
Speaker 2: I was like, oh well.
Speaker 1: Yep that time that that monster took somebody else exactly.
Speaker 1: I approve of the choice. But boy, those custom may
Speaker 1: visions that are going to make him see exactly what
Speaker 1: Lucke wants him to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some pretty impressed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the island it is weird. It will do things
Speaker 1: weird for sure. And Lucke as well, Yeah, just just
Speaker 1: have a talk with the young man. I don't think
Speaker 1: you really need to go on trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But well, and how did he know that, like
Speaker 2: aside from the specific vision like that he wanted him
Speaker 2: to have, Like, yeah, he would have to know that
Speaker 2: there was some sort of doubt or something in Boone's mind, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: make that effective.
Speaker 1: He's just been observing their dynamic and thinking something ain't
Speaker 1: right or what because he does not have the benefit
Speaker 1: of watching the flashbacks as weally And oh man, yeah, Icky,
Speaker 1: so perhaps instead of warning sayid off, Boone should have
Speaker 1: been warning him of her yeah, to get involved, man,
Speaker 1: he's bad news.
Speaker 2: He's definitely bad.
Speaker 1: Can take care of himself, right, Oh golly, you imagine
Speaker 1: just flying to Australia to handle your sister's unfortunate affairs. This,
Speaker 1: this will be our parenting lesson. Don't set up that
Speaker 1: dynamic between your children, yeah, your step children. Do not
Speaker 1: put one in charge of the other and then expect
Speaker 1: them to go clean up the messes. It's not fair
Speaker 1: And it ends up like this. It ends up with
Speaker 1: somebody being relieved that the.
Speaker 2: Other, the other one was killed.
Speaker 1: A monster, the big goodness, it's start. It's not real.
Speaker 1: Still there tormenting me? Ah yeah, and when uh lock
Speaker 1: set up this thing where boone is tied up in
Speaker 1: such a way that he can with maximum agony, the
Speaker 1: knife and get himself loose. And it's like, with adequate
Speaker 1: motivation you can cut yourself and then of course hearing
Speaker 1: her scream is adequate motivation. Yes, it reminded me of
Speaker 1: the old parenting trope of you could lift up a
Speaker 1: car your child is under there. If our kids are
Speaker 1: in trouble, we will dislocate our shoulders to reach that knife.
Speaker 2: And uh, although they do, they they definitely have a
Speaker 2: more complex relationship than parent.
Speaker 1: Yes, child, but it is externally sort of a parent
Speaker 1: role that Boone plays in going to rescue her, apparently
Speaker 1: over and over again, and she plays on that. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's not talk about that without the incest part y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a technicality, yes, but if if, if it was a
Speaker 1: father father rescuing situation would be some yeah, but still no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't do that. No, don't do that, especially since you
Speaker 1: know he wants to. So yeahh Shannon, And you know,
Speaker 1: do you think Walcke is kind of competing with Jack
Speaker 1: now to be the island papa. He's a bad dad
Speaker 1: to Boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a bad dad, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Like Charlie's like, yeah, me so that I gave up Herolin.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite. He's the only one I trust. Jack's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, trust me.
Speaker 2: My job, my job.
Speaker 1: This episode could have been subtitled yeah, just wanders around
Speaker 1: the island talking to people, just checking up, checking up
Speaker 1: on his kingdom, you know, walking around, chatting, approving of things.
Speaker 2: Didn't have any like medical emergencies to deal with.
Speaker 1: He didn't really have a plot.
Speaker 2: He had just figure something else out.
Speaker 1: Island dad checking in with the kids, you know, But
Speaker 1: now he finds he has a competitor, and Lucke is
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed that character since we found out what his
Speaker 1: secret was. But he's he's getting a little nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get a little dark. Yeah, you know, Hurley's got a point.
Speaker 1: Get us some bar. What are you doing? What do
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: I mean, the hatch isn't going anywhere, Like, take a
Speaker 2: day off, get some.
Speaker 1: Bore, think about it, Maybe some explosives.
Speaker 2: Maybe look for Claire for five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yes, like whay is nobody looking for Claire? Gosh, she'll
Speaker 1: find her way back. It's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that pregnant girl, whatever happened to her?
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear name. Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Is not good. Yeah, nobody seems concerned either.
Speaker 1: I don't get that. That seems like a plot hole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like they just kind of got tired of
Speaker 1: thinking about that for a while. But I guess we
Speaker 1: are to think that the continued Shannon said, uh, project
Speaker 1: of translating things and said figuring out what direction is
Speaker 1: north and all these things are a way to get
Speaker 1: an idea of where to go, I guess instead of
Speaker 1: wandering around. But yes, it's like and also we don't
Speaker 1: really have a sense of how many days have transpired.
Speaker 2: Right, And I mean it's just I just don't buy
Speaker 2: that somebody like Kate right or is just like, well,
Speaker 2: let me just plant our garden, you know, like so
Speaker 2: that we can have some fruit six months from now.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, it's very weird.
Speaker 2: She's already proved herself over and over to be like
Speaker 2: I'll save you, you know, I'll go whatever whatever's going on.
Speaker 2: I got to be involved in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of folks here with the Savior
Speaker 1: complex who are just sitting on it, and I don't
Speaker 1: understand why they're just waiting to get to that point
Speaker 1: in the season when they can spring the next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why Claire doesn't merit any concern? Is upset?
Speaker 1: This really was kind of a time marking episode, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I Mean, there's nothing that happened here that would probably
Speaker 1: have been missed had it not occurred. Right.
Speaker 2: We just got the Boone and Shannon backs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all kind of knew that
Speaker 1: the Shannon and Boone relationship was messed up, just what
Speaker 1: we see for ourse, But the lesson the better that
Speaker 1: But you know, we got the uh Son made the
Speaker 1: made the mistake, the rookie mistake of laughing at a joke.
Speaker 1: She revealed herself to Kate. Yes, so now understanding English.
Speaker 2: Now two people know she speaks English.
Speaker 1: I forgot that not everybody knows. I thought that a
Speaker 1: wider circle of people knew, and we're just keeping it
Speaker 1: from gin Well.
Speaker 2: Eventually, I assume that has to.
Speaker 1: She asked the perfect question to shut Kate up. Have
Speaker 1: you never lied to an you love? Well, that's my
Speaker 1: whole story.
Speaker 2: So yep, I've been talking about that anymore.
Speaker 1: The watch the flashback sun and you will find out
Speaker 1: how many times I have done just that. Have you
Speaker 1: seen my little toy airplane? I bet there was some
Speaker 1: line to a man she loves involved in that.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think as parents, we've all had
Speaker 1: the situation where we're trying to do important things. We're
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, run a little society. We're trying
Speaker 1: to make sure people are safe. We're trying to do
Speaker 1: all sorts of things, and one little kid is going,
Speaker 1: what's for dinner? I'm hungry. I don't like this. I
Speaker 1: want something else, or Hurley or Hurley and his unhappy stomach. Yes,
Speaker 1: not gonna survive on fruit? Is that one afraid to
Speaker 1: ask Gin for fish? No more bore coming through what
Speaker 1: he's just this is what's on his mind. Pos talks
Speaker 1: to everybody about where's the food? So he finally gets
Speaker 1: himself a that's a cleaned but uncooked fish, right, But
Speaker 1: I suppose it's yes, a peace offering. Yes, better than
Speaker 1: an urchin or whatever that was he gave him to
Speaker 1: And Gin respectfully declined to pee on his foot, so
Speaker 1: maybe he understood. Maybe he understood, and it's just like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to be doing that. We very briefly
Speaker 1: and for no apparent reasons, saw Michael Vincent and waltm
Speaker 1: just as a reminder every of these guys.
Speaker 2: Are still here.
Speaker 1: Table that okay, next week, next week?
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, not so much to say about this episode
Speaker 1: because it was, you know, it was just ambling around
Speaker 1: like Jack. But keep in mind the bit of business
Speaker 1: with the compass. Okay, I think it's not a spoiler
Speaker 1: to say, but what if it's not broken? What if
Speaker 1: the island is just weird?
Speaker 2: So yeah, that doesn't seem like a spoiler. That seems
Speaker 2: like something we do know.
Speaker 1: It's a place where you can pick some plants and
Speaker 1: give somebody a custom designed trip, make sure he resolves
Speaker 1: his issues with I would like to order up one
Speaker 1: sibling messed up sibling relationship hallucination.
Speaker 2: Thank you, just walk on down to the island pharmacy.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, very specific. He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: hallucinating opening the hatch or doing whatever he does in
Speaker 1: his wedding empire or whatever. Specifically, his sister being torn
Speaker 1: apart by a monster relatable. So we will hope for
Speaker 1: something more satisfying next episode. Uh episode fourteen of Lost,
Speaker 1: which is special. Now we heard in this one that
Speaker 1: Shannon was special, but I don't think that's the special
Speaker 1: where we're going to be. I believe this is a
Speaker 1: Michael flashback episode.
Speaker 2: Okay. So also like a terrible title for an episode
Speaker 2: because is it a special episode? You know, is it
Speaker 2: a like out of cong continuity, like yes, very special
Speaker 2: Christmas episode or what.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing that on the lostipedia uh list and
Speaker 1: thinking it was like a special episode because later in
Speaker 1: the season they have a recap episode. I was thinking
Speaker 1: that's what this was. And then when we were talking
Speaker 1: about you know, Walt getting his number and backgammon all
Speaker 1: the time, are we supposed to think there's something special
Speaker 1: about him? So then what I saw, I was like, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. Maybe him, maybe somebody else. Maybe there's just
Speaker 1: they're all spec Yeah, and that's why they're on the island.
Speaker 1: His hand picked them especially to come and plant things
Speaker 1: and catch fish and kill bares and pry opened this
Speaker 1: nasty hatch that's been bothering it. Yes, and in manlike law,
Speaker 1: he'll figure it out. He'll stare at it for how
Speaker 1: many months you'll come to him? You know what. He's
Speaker 1: a resourceful dude. And we will see you back here
Speaker 1: tomorrow to discuss only murders in the building, another show
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