Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, thanks for tuning into the Nonprofits again for
Speaker 1: our second episode this week. Tonight is Wednesday, February twelfth,
Speaker 1: and we had a fun recording the other day on Monday.
Speaker 1: But this topic that we're going to talk about is
Speaker 1: a little bit more somber, a little bit more serious,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just going to get right into it
Speaker 1: with a quote that I think sums up the entire
Speaker 1: situation that's happening in Bangladesh. And so we are going
Speaker 1: to discuss an article tonight called they marry off Girls
Speaker 1: because they are a burden. The Battle to save Bangladesh's
Speaker 1: child Brides from Telegraph by Tom Parry on January twentieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. In order to introduce this article, I
Speaker 1: want to actually read kind of a long quote from
Speaker 1: another article from twenty eighteen, also from the Telegraph, and
Speaker 1: this is on child marriage and sex trafficking in Bangladesh
Speaker 1: by Corin Redfern. It's been five years since Ruper was
Speaker 1: trafficked into the brothel. Married at eleven years old to
Speaker 1: a man in his thirties who she'd never met. She
Speaker 1: spent her wedding day playing hide and seek with her
Speaker 1: cousin in the mud. I ripped off pieces of my
Speaker 1: sorry to make little wedding dresses for my dolls. She remembers,
Speaker 1: when my husband raped me that night, I didn't understand
Speaker 1: what was happening. I only felt pain. She felt pregnant
Speaker 1: shortly after, but when her husband was killed in an
Speaker 1: accident at work, her family refused to take her back.
Speaker 1: They said they couldn't afford to look after me or
Speaker 1: my son. I wasn't a virgin anymore, so no man
Speaker 1: would marry me. Hungary and alone, the then thirteen year
Speaker 1: old took a train to Dhaka in the hopes of
Speaker 1: finding work in a garment factory. A woman saw me
Speaker 1: crying at the station and said she had a friend
Speaker 1: who was looking for a maid. Rupa says, I followed
Speaker 1: her home, but she sold me here instead. And of
Speaker 1: course this excerpt was taken in an interview with this
Speaker 1: young girl at a brothel in Bangladesh. And you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that like many poor and
Speaker 1: orthodox religious countries, this is common, unfortunately, and young girls,
Speaker 1: particularly women in general, are devalued. We see it in Christianity.
Speaker 1: There's evidence for it throughout the Bible. There's evidence for
Speaker 1: it culturally whether you look at Mormons or just basic
Speaker 1: texts stating that women can't you be in the church,
Speaker 1: or can't be vocal in church, they can't teach men,
Speaker 1: they can't lead and in many cases work. And so
Speaker 1: we see that across the world, but particularly in Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: They are incredibly poor, a ninety one percent Muslim country,
Speaker 1: and they're just living with a lot of turmoil. And
Speaker 1: of course the females, the younger they get, are the
Speaker 1: ones that bear the brunt of such atrocity. And so
Speaker 1: with that being said, I want to go to Helen,
Speaker 1: and Helen, I want to ask you, what are the
Speaker 1: key factors that lead to child marriage, particularly with girls?
Speaker 2: So guess what, everybody's misogyny. But also as well, one
Speaker 2: thing about this article that I appreciate that they did
Speaker 2: talk about the education that they're trying to provide to
Speaker 2: these girls and the hopes that they have for a
Speaker 2: better future, because these are young children. These are like
Speaker 2: if you're a parent, imagining your twelve year old daughter
Speaker 2: having to choose between having dreams of a future versus
Speaker 2: being forced into a marriage. And there was also mention
Speaker 2: in the article about parents that didn't want their children
Speaker 2: to be sold into these child marriages, and they had
Speaker 2: hopes for their own children, and there were programs that
Speaker 2: were brought in for these kids.
Speaker 3: To get educations.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, though, is that these incidents in
Speaker 2: Bagladesh are rare.
Speaker 3: This is not the norm.
Speaker 2: The norm is that these girls are going to be
Speaker 2: sold into marriage. And because it's not so much it's
Speaker 2: a burden, Like I think there's some genuinely good parents there,
Speaker 2: but because of lack of economic opportunity, lack of education,
Speaker 2: and sort of the religious upbringing that you now, girls
Speaker 2: and women are second classicizens. Even if they have the
Speaker 2: best intentions, they're kind of forced into these situations. There
Speaker 2: have been situations like in Romania where girls were sold
Speaker 2: into sexual slavery, not because the parents really wanted them
Speaker 2: to be sold into sexual slavery. It was because they
Speaker 2: were dirt poor and had no other option. So these
Speaker 2: are the and it sounds cruel and it is. It's
Speaker 2: cruel for parents to have to make these decisions. But
Speaker 2: when you're when push comes to shove and you're so
Speaker 2: desperate that you have to make these really terrible, horrible decisions.
Speaker 2: And I'm not excusing this, keep this in mind, but
Speaker 2: I can understand why it happens, and I just want
Speaker 2: to point out I'll talk about this later about all
Speaker 2: about the child brides that have in here, So that's
Speaker 2: another conversation we can have.
Speaker 3: So I'm not passing the book. I'm just saying that
Speaker 3: these this is a very not only.
Speaker 2: Religious problem, but this seems to be also problem of
Speaker 2: lack of education, lack of economic opportunity as well, not
Speaker 2: just religion.
Speaker 1: And it's funny the way that those feed off of
Speaker 1: each other. I mean, if you look in our country,
Speaker 1: lack of education and poor surroundings and and highly religion
Speaker 1: are also highly religious. It seems to be a formula
Speaker 1: that can't be broken. I would disagree with you, but
Speaker 1: not necessarily with you. I would just say that there
Speaker 1: is certainly a cultural difference because I don't. I would
Speaker 1: never sell one of my children, no matter how bad
Speaker 1: things got, right, I would I have a daughter. I
Speaker 1: would never do that. I would die before that happened.
Speaker 1: I would starve to death before that happened. These folks don't,
Speaker 1: and it's probably due to the poor education, but also
Speaker 1: the kind of infiltration of religion where that education doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: and thus victimizing generation after generation.
Speaker 3: So you know, I.
Speaker 1: Would, I would. I would have to argue with anybody
Speaker 1: who thought that that was a good alternative, you know
Speaker 1: why that they might think that. Anyway, I digress a
Speaker 1: little bit. Aj, I want to go to you. You
Speaker 1: brought up a really good point leading up to this article,
Speaker 1: and that is, you know that the article largely focuses
Speaker 1: on young girls. But what are we not getting There's
Speaker 1: a larger point here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we don't want to take away from
Speaker 4: the tragedy that these young girls are going through, right,
Speaker 4: But the article does point out something that's usually not
Speaker 4: talk about, and that's the fact that boys are also
Speaker 4: being married off. When we think of child rides, we
Speaker 4: always think, oh, you know, this is an adult man
Speaker 4: that is already said wele that is like buying a
Speaker 4: little child girl to do whatever he wants with her.
Speaker 4: But in the cases of places like Bangladesh, is it's
Speaker 4: a little bit different because everybody is in the same
Speaker 4: poverty level, So the boys and the girls are at
Speaker 4: the same poverty level. And it seems that the article
Speaker 4: explained that the boys have to leave school early to
Speaker 4: help families to cover the cost of rebuilding after natural disasters.
Speaker 4: They have a lot of cyclones in the area, so
Speaker 4: there is a lot of flooding. The islands at are
Speaker 4: very very close to the sea level, so it floats
Speaker 4: extremely easy. They lose their homes, you know, seasonally, so
Speaker 4: the children have to go to work and they have
Speaker 4: to leave school. That's one of the reasons that they
Speaker 4: stop going and getting their education.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously this happens before they turn they turn of age,
Speaker 4: that they turn eighteen, So you have all of these
Speaker 4: young boys that left school early that are being married
Speaker 4: to girls that are just slightly a little bit younger.
Speaker 4: So it can be like a you know, twelve thirteen
Speaker 4: year old girl marrying enough to like a fourteen or
Speaker 4: fifteen year old boy. So it's not like an extreme
Speaker 4: age difference, but it's still not right. It's you have
Speaker 4: you have children being married off to children, Yes, you have, you.
Speaker 1: I do, I see that. I see that point. It's
Speaker 1: important to recognize that all children are in danger here
Speaker 1: and it is due to this. In my opinion, it's
Speaker 1: due to this cycle of kind of never ending poverty,
Speaker 1: never ending opportunity, and it's just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: perpetual rob I want to go to you, is there
Speaker 1: anything that could be done to fix this?
Speaker 5: So the article starts by talking a lot about child
Speaker 5: marriage and then it pivots a lot into the education
Speaker 5: and how they're trying to help, especially the girls. I
Speaker 5: think predominantly the girls become educated, which I think is
Speaker 5: the cool part because there's really only a couple of
Speaker 5: ways that this can solve out, right, Like, there are
Speaker 5: other organizations, perhaps even countries or whatever else. I could
Speaker 5: come in and change it, but that's not a great solution.
Speaker 5: But really that through the means of education. What I
Speaker 5: like about it is like, teach the girls that they
Speaker 5: have value. Teach the girls that they can continue to
Speaker 5: accrue value through skills and education whatever else they might
Speaker 5: be interested in. And then the article has a quotes
Speaker 5: from a couple of them that like they want to
Speaker 5: grow up and being doctor and stuff like that, So
Speaker 5: like leave go Like that might be hard, but if
Speaker 5: you think of this population, and this is gonna sound cool,
Speaker 5: if you just think of the population more as just
Speaker 5: like an organism. Over time it should be able to
Speaker 5: have individuals and then the organim as a whole evolve
Speaker 5: into we're gonna go out and we're gonna do stuff,
Speaker 5: and by teaching the girls that they and themselves have value,
Speaker 5: each generation of educated child should be able to do
Speaker 5: a little bit better than the previous one. So then
Speaker 5: by doing that they can basically allow them to get
Speaker 5: pissed off and then not be happy with the status quo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the I really thought it was a
Speaker 1: great idea, and I think Helen brought this up before
Speaker 1: or at least started going down that road, but that
Speaker 1: there were programs in place that actually paid families to
Speaker 1: have their kids stay in school because they lose their
Speaker 1: kids due to poverty, whether it's their daughters being married off,
Speaker 1: and like I heard, like we listed in the intro,
Speaker 1: you know, they do end up in either being abused
Speaker 1: or even married too much older men. Even though the
Speaker 1: other child, other boys are being married out, the girls
Speaker 1: are I think the ones that are susceptible to sexual abuse.
Speaker 1: And that's that's really what the worst case scenario I
Speaker 1: think is for these children. But yeah, paying parents to
Speaker 1: keep them in school and paying parents to have their kids,
Speaker 1: you know, learn and make something of themselves instead of
Speaker 1: having to get rid of them. I want to read
Speaker 1: some statistics that I have here, and so I'm going
Speaker 1: to speak to a typo. You guys have seen my notes.
Speaker 1: I wrote that sixteen percent of families are practicing child marriage.
Speaker 1: Actually sixty, it's sixty I wrote that backwards, but it's
Speaker 1: sixty percent. Are also living in rural areas, So I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting that the rural and the number
Speaker 1: of child marriages are kind of coinciding. Fifty six percent
Speaker 1: of girls are married before completing high school excuse me
Speaker 1: high school. And in one survey three hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five sex of three hundred and seventy five sex workers
Speaker 1: across four brothels, forty seven percent were child brides trafficked
Speaker 1: at the prostitution against their will. It's it's so horrible,
Speaker 1: but these are numbers that we need to kind of
Speaker 1: push out there and make sure everybody understands Helen, you
Speaker 1: had some statistics of your own and some numbers, some
Speaker 1: data that you wanted to share, and I found that
Speaker 1: they were really interesting. So if you will please enlighten us.
Speaker 2: So because I want people to understand that this doesn't
Speaker 2: happen in just like a microcosm, like this is something
Speaker 2: that's happening throughout the world, and that though we're talking
Speaker 2: about what's happening in Bagladesh.
Speaker 3: This happens here. There's thirty seven states that still do.
Speaker 2: This practice, which is mind mooweling when you think about it.
Speaker 2: So I pulled up statistics by the Koski Hymen study.
Speaker 2: This was a study that was done in the mid
Speaker 2: twenty tens, and basically this was this was the these
Speaker 2: are the averages about ten years ago. It just a
Speaker 2: little bit of like, you know, something to kind of
Speaker 2: think about. For example, in Texas, from twenty twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: almost forty thousand children were married, and FIDA sixteen thousand,
Speaker 2: sixteen thousand, four hundred children, some as young as thirteen
Speaker 2: years old, were married from two thousand to twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: which is the second highest incidence of child marriage after Texas.
Speaker 2: In Alabama, there were over eighty six hundred child marriages
Speaker 2: from two thousand to twenty fifteen, the fourth highest amount
Speaker 2: of any state. However, child marriage in Alabama showed a
Speaker 2: large decline in that time. In twenty almost twelve hundred
Speaker 2: children are married, but dropped to one ninety by twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: In Virginia, between twenty four and twenty thirteen, nearly forty
Speaker 2: five hundred children were married to Tara Justice Center in Ohio.
Speaker 2: From twoentand to twenty fifteen, there were four four hundred
Speaker 2: and forty girls married age seventeen and younger, including forty
Speaker 2: three age fifteen and under. In New York, more than
Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred children were married between two thousand and
Speaker 2: twenty ten, and koske Say also found that only twenty
Speaker 2: percent of married children were living with their spouses. The
Speaker 2: majority rest were still living with their parents. So the
Speaker 2: parents like, they're still living with at home, you know,
Speaker 2: those children, but the parents are still you know, agreeing for.
Speaker 3: Them to enter these marriages.
Speaker 2: And most of this comes from religious families that are
Speaker 2: marrying their children, are allowing their children to be married.
Speaker 3: This is not happening.
Speaker 2: And communities where kids get access to economic growth and
Speaker 2: they also have the ability to have you know, have
Speaker 2: the mobility upwards. Now we under like, you know, we
Speaker 2: can think of the Mormon religion, we can think of
Speaker 2: other religions that are kind of okay with your children
Speaker 2: being kind of married off.
Speaker 3: I think it's gross.
Speaker 2: But this comes from if even if you're broad religious,
Speaker 2: like I was broad religious, my parents would never think
Speaker 2: that I should get married at fourteen years old.
Speaker 3: They were like, you.
Speaker 2: Need to you need to grow up, you need to
Speaker 2: go to school, you need to get education. So this
Speaker 2: is not just a symptom of religion, it's also the
Speaker 2: society factors that goes around it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's being taught.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, And that's what I was kind of
Speaker 1: alluding to, this perfect storm of poverty and of a
Speaker 1: lack of education where religion is able to kind of
Speaker 1: sink its hooks in and provide something, but then you know,
Speaker 1: it ends up, it ends up giving you the worst
Speaker 1: case scenarios. And speaking of scenarios, Age, you know, you
Speaker 1: had some solutions highlighted coming into tonight's recording, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of talk to you about that
Speaker 1: and some of the laws that have been passed in
Speaker 1: Bangladesh to try and protect kids. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think Rob had a comment maybe possibly.
Speaker 1: Jump I'm so bad at my job.
Speaker 5: Please please show I don't try to jump in before
Speaker 5: you ag every time. That's not on purpose. I was
Speaker 5: going to say, between Jimmy and Helen, Yeah, correlation not causation.
Speaker 5: But boy, howdy, isn't it convenient that every single study
Speaker 5: shows that the poorer you are and the less educated
Speaker 5: you are, therefore the more religious you are. And then
Speaker 5: when it comes to this, yes, not all religious people
Speaker 5: marry off their their daughters, because let's face it, we're
Speaker 5: talking about the daughters. Not every religious person marries off
Speaker 5: their daughters. We know this to be true because we
Speaker 5: have at least one person. But also most people don't
Speaker 5: do that in America, but it still does occur. So
Speaker 5: I think it's worse than that, right, because it's not
Speaker 5: just you have to be poor and educated to be
Speaker 5: likely to be religious, and then you need to have
Speaker 5: the very bad religion that makes you feel that women
Speaker 5: are literal property. That thus, this is a transaction. That's
Speaker 5: the problem is it's the transactional component to it, really.
Speaker 1: And I think the state of Bangladesh realizes that the
Speaker 1: transaction is the solution that people are looking for. And
Speaker 1: since Aj graciously yielded her time to the man on
Speaker 1: the on my screen bottom right, uh, but also to
Speaker 1: my to my left, if you're if you're watching, if
Speaker 1: you're watching us, now, I want to go back to
Speaker 1: Aj and say, hey, Aj, what what is the Bangladeshi
Speaker 1: already doing?
Speaker 4: So there it seems to be like a huge, huge
Speaker 4: focus on education.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like education is the key here because
Speaker 4: with all the work that they have done, the enrollment
Speaker 4: rates have gone way up. I think I said about
Speaker 4: to about ninety percent enrollment wight, So it's a huge,
Speaker 4: huge difference from the nineteen eighties when it was like
Speaker 4: around forty percent. So their work is working, and it
Speaker 4: seems that the solution is focusing on keeping them in school.
Speaker 4: One of the things that you mentioned the onlier on
Speaker 4: was that they're paying families, but basically they've give them
Speaker 4: a little bit of money to make sure that they
Speaker 4: keep their kids in school. And as I also mentioned,
Speaker 4: the reason that they were dropping out of school was
Speaker 4: because they're having to go to work to cover for
Speaker 4: the cost you know, after a natural disaster, rebuilding homes
Speaker 4: and all of that. So if they have that extra
Speaker 4: money from these organizations, then they're going to have they're
Speaker 4: going to be able to cover that that recovery effort
Speaker 4: without having to take their kids out of school. So
Speaker 4: that's an excellent solution right there. Another thing they're doing
Speaker 4: is they build out of these really really small schools.
Speaker 4: They're like a one classroom type of schools, but they're
Speaker 4: all over they have about sixty four thousand schools and
Speaker 4: one point eight million students. So this means that the
Speaker 4: kids can walk to school. They don't need to have
Speaker 4: any type of transportation. So access access to the school
Speaker 4: is so important because if they have to drive or
Speaker 4: walk a whole hour, then they're not going to go there.
Speaker 4: Right when I was a kid growing up, I had
Speaker 4: to walk like about forty five minutes to an hour
Speaker 4: to the only school that we had around.
Speaker 3: We did it every day.
Speaker 4: You know, if it was raining then you know, we
Speaker 4: couldn't make it. But so having these schools within like
Speaker 4: ten minutes to where they can just go back and
Speaker 4: forth accellent. Keeping them motivated, like giving them things to
Speaker 4: look forward to. There were some of the kids in
Speaker 4: the auticle that said they wanted to be teacher, another
Speaker 4: one wanted to be a doctor, another one wanted to
Speaker 4: be a soldier. So like giving these kids dreams and
Speaker 4: you know, something to be like, hey I can work,
Speaker 4: that I can be that I can do better than
Speaker 4: you know, just being I'm not saying that it's want
Speaker 4: to be a farmer, but like their in their poverty
Speaker 4: stricken areas, being a farmer, it does not bring any
Speaker 4: type of money that is going to take them anywhere.
Speaker 1: Especially when sixty percent of your economy or sixty percent
Speaker 1: of your populace is agricultural. You're competing every day, you know,
Speaker 1: to try and make a living, especially if you consider
Speaker 1: all of the imports that the country can take from
Speaker 1: agriculture happening around the world. You know, there's you pretty
Speaker 1: much can only sustain yourself. I was looking into I
Speaker 1: did a little bit of research on dowries. I was
Speaker 1: interested in seeing how the dowry affected Bangladesh because I
Speaker 1: know that people would you know, when you marry off
Speaker 1: your daughter, you collect the dowry from the groom's husband
Speaker 1: excuse me, the groom's family. The bride's family collects a
Speaker 1: dowry right a cash payment or maybe some kind of
Speaker 1: economic bump into in the form of maybe livestock or
Speaker 1: or who knows, but that has been outlawed in Bangladesh,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see what you guys thought about
Speaker 1: that and what you think the impacts of that might be.
Speaker 5: Rob go ahead really quick, I think you have that backwards.
Speaker 5: It's the wife brings the dowry to the husband. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: well yes, because the wife doesn't have value. Remember why,
Speaker 5: So you're interesting money or property or money brought by
Speaker 5: a bride to the husband because you are giving them
Speaker 5: support for taking your woman, and the woman does not
Speaker 5: have value?
Speaker 3: Wordless?
Speaker 4: Okay, I think I think.
Speaker 1: The dowry is not allowed, but it's not practiced in
Speaker 1: Bangladesh as a mandatory obligation society. I thought that it
Speaker 1: was different in Bangladesh.
Speaker 5: It could be very true, and I could just be
Speaker 5: messing everything up.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I will tell you this though, So let's
Speaker 1: all right, So so I will I will admit, I
Speaker 1: will admit wrongdoing so that I'm not I don't want
Speaker 1: to just sit here and start researching because I may
Speaker 1: very well have gotten that backwards. But with okay, so
Speaker 1: poverty in poverty stricken areas, does it even make a
Speaker 1: difference to eliminate that?
Speaker 5: I think it's a good question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's got the money to pay it anyway, right,
Speaker 1: So really, the government taking this approach to say, hey,
Speaker 1: dowries will not be allowed, well, it doesn't really do
Speaker 1: anything for the children, because no, it only really would
Speaker 1: affect the middle class who they're not struggling to make
Speaker 1: or receive payment anyway. Uh, and so the problem stays
Speaker 1: in the impoverished area. Anyway, I thought that that was
Speaker 1: interesting and I wanted to kind of get your guys take.
Speaker 1: I guess as we wrap up the show about you know,
Speaker 1: what will work and what will not work in preventing
Speaker 1: or reversing this kind of cultural mindset. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go down the line.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm gonna go, Helen rob Aj. So, Helen, what
Speaker 1: do you think? I mean, where where do we go
Speaker 1: from here in Bangladesh?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping, like because as agents point pointed out
Speaker 2: about the more children and gaining access to education, that
Speaker 2: it's it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be slow. It always is.
Speaker 2: There's not going to be tomorrow we're going to find
Speaker 2: out that you know, all the girls heavy go opportunity and.
Speaker 3: You know they're they're all gonna be.
Speaker 2: Well educated and blah blah blah, because it's like that's
Speaker 2: that's a pipe dream.
Speaker 3: But slow incremental changes over time.
Speaker 2: The fact that you know, Bangladesh has allowed allowed a
Speaker 2: dowry even though it's so practiced and you know and
Speaker 2: illegally in certain areas of Bagladesh, that it's still going
Speaker 2: to happen, but because you know, you can change the law,
Speaker 2: but it taints longer to change mind.
Speaker 3: But I'm hoping the.
Speaker 2: More exposure to these children have to educations, the more
Speaker 2: that they have dreams that down the line, we're going
Speaker 2: to see, you know, child growth. You know, I might
Speaker 2: not completely go away, but the statistics will go down.
Speaker 3: As these kids.
Speaker 2: Get older and they were for these opportunities and they
Speaker 2: become parents, you know that they're going to want the
Speaker 2: same thing for their children.
Speaker 3: That's what I hope for. It's going to be slow,
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard, but that's.
Speaker 2: The type of things that we can look forward to
Speaker 2: when like we're looking at the story and the microcousm
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 3: Now that down the line that they'll they'll be changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hence the organism I think representation that Rob was
Speaker 1: talking about before. So Rob, go ahead, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: where what do we do? Now?
Speaker 5: Where does where does Bangladesh go? I think they just
Speaker 5: keep doing this to be honest, Like there's a reason
Speaker 5: why we do free lunches in America, and right we
Speaker 5: should keep doing free lunches in America. So it's just
Speaker 5: useful for parents for schools to offer a lunch or
Speaker 5: a stipend, because now you're being rewarded for the education.
Speaker 5: So in the short term, it's good to reward just
Speaker 5: getting them into the education, because the education is going
Speaker 5: to allow long term the children to have the audacity
Speaker 5: to have ambition, and then they will become unrestful, which
Speaker 5: is what when I want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, aj Yeah, I think that the dowry thing
Speaker 4: is pretty useless really. I mean, there's not like anybody
Speaker 4: is out there, you know, publicizing that they're going to
Speaker 4: marry their child and that they're you know, giving a dowry.
Speaker 3: With the child.
Speaker 4: Like it's just they can just relabel it as a
Speaker 4: gift and still do it, you know. So, But so
Speaker 4: I think focusing on the education aspect is what's working
Speaker 4: and what should continue to be done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think they're
Speaker 1: they're making small gains and they should probably just keep
Speaker 1: working in that direction. I hope that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the government upholds this and you know, we just find
Speaker 1: a way out of this. By the way, Rob, you
Speaker 1: were correct, so I misread that. But yeah, the dowry.
Speaker 1: The dowry is of course a payment from the from
Speaker 1: the bride's family to the grooms, and I am glad
Speaker 1: that you brought up three Larnches in America because they
Speaker 1: Saturday folks don't forget to tune into the nonprofits. Same time,
Speaker 1: same place, we are going to be talking about a
Speaker 1: congressman who thinks that school age kids should get a
Speaker 1: job if they want to eat at school. In any case,
Speaker 1: if you want to hear more about some of this
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that we're seeing out in the world at
Speaker 1: the hands of religion,