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<v Speaker 1>And so, and last but not least, we lost Malcolm

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal Warner this week, and for the first time, I

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<v Speaker 1>think ever, we've never featured two od bits, like two

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<v Speaker 1>people who.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrote, you know, appreciations. I wrote one first.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles called me when we first got the news, and

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<v Speaker 1>we remember Malcolm Jamal Warner nineteen seventy to twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles wrote eulogy for a brother.

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<v Speaker 1>So Charles, I'll let you go first, man, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you the memories you shared, or your

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<v Speaker 1>feelings around the passing, the tragic passing. I would ask

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<v Speaker 1>of Malcolm Jamal Warner.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of ironic because as you were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the clips coming in, I was never that hip hop

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<v Speaker 3>kid like that growing up. I can listen to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things. Matter of fact, I didn't see Printing concert,

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<v Speaker 3>but I did see Azzie and Uh with Metallica, and

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<v Speaker 3>before Metallica was big, they opened up for OZI and So.

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<v Speaker 3>But Malcolm Jamal Warner, Yeah, he's right here. So Malcolm

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<v Speaker 3>Jamal Warner when he came on The Cosby Show, this

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<v Speaker 3>was a role that spoke to me because I lived

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<v Speaker 3>that middle class life.

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<v Speaker 4>Not it wasn't in the hip hop world, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't in, but I was in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>And so a lot of the things that theo Huxtable

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<v Speaker 3>went through were the things I experienced. I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in a house full of women, and he in a

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<v Speaker 3>house full of women. So I drew a kinship to

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<v Speaker 3>theo Huxtable and and thereby Malcolm Jamal Warner Malcolm named

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<v Speaker 3>Malcolm Jamal Warner named after Malcolm X.

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<v Speaker 4>And Ama Jamal uh So.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I I've I've listened to his spoken word,

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<v Speaker 3>I've listened to I mean, I just followed him all

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<v Speaker 3>my life. And so when he's like two years younger

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<v Speaker 3>than me, but I again, to me, he was the

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<v Speaker 3>brother I never had, because I don't have any brothers,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was a guy that I was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>just rock with him. And so when to hear him

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<v Speaker 3>pass it was it really hit me hard. It really

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<v Speaker 3>was a devastating blow because I'm like, that is me,

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<v Speaker 3>He's he was me, and so a piece of me

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<v Speaker 3>passed along with him as he you know, even even

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<v Speaker 3>the whole story about the rip current and how he

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<v Speaker 3>got caught in it and out there, I've experienced that

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<v Speaker 3>I was younger and fortunate. But you know, I came

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<v Speaker 3>out the other side because I just I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the strength to try to fight the rip current and

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<v Speaker 3>I just got drug drugged out to the sandbar. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a terrible loss for me. I don't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about the rest of the world, but as

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<v Speaker 3>we do our top one one hundred lists, I'm expecting

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<v Speaker 3>the Cosby Show to be high up now, maybe even

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<v Speaker 3>higher because of because of this relevant topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Here for the record, sir, the Top one hundred list

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<v Speaker 1>at least the first seventy was completed before.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, just like, just like we were working the

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one through one hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not working.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not reworking one through seventy one through seventy set.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will just say so.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be thinking once we like, oh man, I had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with with Malcolm Jamal Warner, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can say that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I already know what the top one through seventy are,

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<v Speaker 3>right right, right right, I got you. But tell me

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<v Speaker 3>what you were feeling when when you heard about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna go through a couple of notes that

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that were in the piece I called him

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<v Speaker 1>America's son, because my memory was that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, for as much what's the word to use, as.

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<v Speaker 4>Much flack.

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<v Speaker 1>And criticism, and rightfully so, that Doctor Cosby has generated

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<v Speaker 1>over the last ten to fifteen years, people forget and again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was making a joke earlier about certainties. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the album of the year, movie the year. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of certainties I can make about the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighties because I.

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<v Speaker 4>Lived in the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's no album that I've seen before or since

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<v Speaker 1>it will ever top Thriller. Okay, And there's no television

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<v Speaker 1>show that I've ever seen before or since that will.

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<v Speaker 2>Top the popularity of The Cosby Show.

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<v Speaker 4>In the mid eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>It was literally, it literally was not just the number

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<v Speaker 1>one black show on television, here's the number one one

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<v Speaker 1>show on television for like five years.

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<v Speaker 4>It made an NBC credible as a network.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they created an entire block.

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<v Speaker 4>Of programming around saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this around the Cosby Show, and they called it

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<v Speaker 1>must see Thursdays. So all that started with The Cosby Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and theo Huxtable was a huge part of The Cosby Show,

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<v Speaker 1>right and you go. But he was the son Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>To Charles's point, he was the only boy in a

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<v Speaker 1>family full of women, and he was modeled after Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cosby's about Mill Cosby's late son Ennis, So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the storylines about fatherhood, a lot of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, he showed like this, this the way

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<v Speaker 1>they showed black fatherhood on television through the relationship of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Cosby and Malcolm Jamar Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 4>That's brilliant, Like, like, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I have in my in my thing, there's like three

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<v Speaker 1>or four clips right of like famous episodes, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I think it might have been the pilot when you

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<v Speaker 1>know he told his father he was like, you know, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you got of being hard on me because

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<v Speaker 1>he was getting bad report conference.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to be a regular kid. Man. I come, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't be And everybody clasps in the studio audience.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Bill Gotsey came back and went, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the dumbest thing I ever heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't wonder you getting c's and d's in school. So

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<v Speaker 4>you had that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the name of the famous oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>the Gordian Trail shirt when when he goes his father

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<v Speaker 1>and says, the shirt is ninety five dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>The only kid that should be wearing shirt that's ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars is he's on stage singing.

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<v Speaker 3>With There are all these classic moments, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>other one.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll end with why I says two.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when he had forget his.

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<v Speaker 1>Teacher played by Sonya Braga, who came to the house

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<v Speaker 1>and they you know, he had she had something to

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<v Speaker 1>give him, and they're having this pleasant evening. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>she's looking all normal, and she invites Steele out to

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<v Speaker 1>the living room and as this sitting there talking, she

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<v Speaker 1>pulls her glasses out and she's putting. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>so and I and I and and and and Trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're sitting at home and you're like, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe Tim and Charles and Shane is letting them

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Cosby Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Cosby shit was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I mean what I say, I'm sorry The

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<v Speaker 1>Cosby Show. It's a fantastic show. You might not like

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<v Speaker 1>the man whose name is on the show, but you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot discount, like the importance of that show, what that

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<v Speaker 1>show actually did for not just black culture, but for

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<v Speaker 1>the culture, right, just for the culture. So I say

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<v Speaker 1>that that Malcolm Jamal Warner represented America's son. I was

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<v Speaker 1>on a show in Philadelphia and they brought me on

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this, and I was like, I never

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to meet him, never had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to interview him. I learned so much about him just

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<v Speaker 1>this week with all the clips that I've saw on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did. I want to finish with a poem

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<v Speaker 1>that I saw that Tyreeese.

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<v Speaker 4>Row did you read about this? You read this, Shane?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you read of this?

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<v Speaker 1>The poem is called and I'm gonna read this called

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<v Speaker 1>the Gentle Giant right, a poem attributed to our beloved brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Jamal Warner. And this is from a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. He said, today we lost a gentle giant,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who won our hearts not by force, but

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<v Speaker 1>by quiet grace. From the very beginning, Malcolm Jamal Warner

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<v Speaker 1>reminded us that being calm, classy, sophisticated, and soulful could

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<v Speaker 1>carry you far in life. He was the soft spoken

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<v Speaker 1>strength behind a generation's most beloved show. We watched The

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<v Speaker 1>Cosby Show and saw for the first time a world

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<v Speaker 1>many of us had never known a black family made

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<v Speaker 1>up of doctors, lawyers, artists and thinkers. Wow, a household

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<v Speaker 1>rooted in love and education, laughter and dignity. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see if I'm reading this and right, I must have

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<v Speaker 1>skipped the part so it says today we mourn what

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<v Speaker 1>feels unimaginable, a loss that cuts through nostalgia, through childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>through what we thought would always be My sincere prayers

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<v Speaker 1>go out to his wife, to his children, to his family,

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who loved him, worked beside him, and walked

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<v Speaker 1>life with him. This tragedy hits us hard, not just

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<v Speaker 1>because of who he was on screen, but because of

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<v Speaker 1>who he remained when the cameras turned off. We lost

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<v Speaker 1>more than an actor. We lost the presence a gentle, regal,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful soul who walked with dignity and reminded us, especially

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<v Speaker 1>as black boys and men, that you could be powerful

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<v Speaker 1>without being loud, important, without being arrogant, respected, without ever

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<v Speaker 1>demanding it. Today is we sit in that grief, and

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<v Speaker 1>we say goodbye to a man who gave us more

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<v Speaker 1>than entertainment. He gave us hope. He gave us another

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<v Speaker 1>way to exist. Rest well, Malcolm, you were everything we

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<v Speaker 1>needed Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That was from Tyrese Gibson wrote that dedication to Malcolm

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal Warner man. So yeah, this one hurts. And not

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<v Speaker 1>to diminish the families, uh and friends of Chuck Mangioni,

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<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne, but Malcolm Jamal Warner was

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<v Speaker 1>our community, our community rest in peace. I literally hate

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to keep doing these and one day somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so funny I was telling I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to Charles earlier today. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to Hamilton a lot. You know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of my mind, I keep thinking about the closing song.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, who lives, who dies and tells the story?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody has gotta tell the story. There are plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to tell the story of Malcolm Jamal

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<v Speaker 1>Warner and all of the folks that we lost.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think about it inwardly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, we live our lives and at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna Who's gonna tell our story? Man, who's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story of Charles Kirkland Jr. Who's gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Shane Lewis, who tells the Tim Gordon story?

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<v Speaker 1>So you we have to continue to keep on pressing

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<v Speaker 1>and hope that we leave enough work behind that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>can continue to tell our story.

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<v Speaker 4>Man right,