Speaker 1: Parting the following podcastdays Gratis for a mature audience listeners.
Speaker 2: Just USh, Hey, what's up.
Speaker 3: How's it going.
Speaker 1: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicket
Speaker 1: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We're here again.
Speaker 3: Another Tuesday, Another Tuesday, another beer, true crimes story coming
Speaker 3: down the pipe.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm hmm.
Speaker 3: You got something cool for us today or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well yeahct this one affected me, like it's
Speaker 1: like because it's a bit newer and it's kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess I could say it's relatable ish.
Speaker 3: It's relatable. Who those are the scary ones?
Speaker 1: I know, like it could happen to anyone. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The shitty thing is most of these cases can happen
Speaker 3: to anyone. They can scary a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, I don't know, Like she's even the
Speaker 1: same age as me. So I'm just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot. It's a lot, fair enough, And
Speaker 1: today was a stat holiday in uh BC, Canada, some
Speaker 1: parts of Canada, not all of Canada, but in our.
Speaker 3: Province, British Columbia. It's sure as Hectada was so, how
Speaker 3: was your day off? It wasn't a day off. It
Speaker 3: was a lot of work. Still, we never sleep, we
Speaker 3: never work. We're just go, go go twenty four seven.
Speaker 1: I know. It's actually so funny because next week, next Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I think, actually I'm planning to have a day off.
Speaker 3: Like that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so that's like a week away. I'm
Speaker 1: planning every day off. I can't even remember the last
Speaker 1: night a day off. And it's like if someone emails
Speaker 1: me a business related question that day, I'm gonna trauma.
Speaker 3: Hard is not to answer, Yeah, peace out, not answering.
Speaker 3: Nicole is on vacation mode.
Speaker 1: Good one day. Oh, let's see if I can do it.
Speaker 1: Is I'm a workaholic.
Speaker 3: Next week I'm not even home the entire week. You
Speaker 3: get this giant, tiny house all to yourself for a week.
Speaker 1: It will definitely feel a bit bigger.
Speaker 3: It will. You'll be the only one in it.
Speaker 1: No, I won't be.
Speaker 3: Well, you got doggos in Kiwi, of course, but that's
Speaker 3: a full house. You'll be the only human being, the
Speaker 3: only person individual of human origin. I'm like, super Jelly,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be and jelly sandwich. Yeah, that's gonna be blast.
Speaker 3: I need to get away, yeah, because I'm heading down
Speaker 3: to Vancouver for some work training stuff. So I have
Speaker 3: a whole week where I'm basically like a nine to
Speaker 3: five going through a training course, and then after that
Speaker 3: sitting in my hotel room, probably eating a lot of ramen,
Speaker 3: getting the tattoo while I'm down there. What else, I'll
Speaker 3: probably be doing a lot of true crime research while
Speaker 3: I'm down there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how you're going to spend your evenings,
Speaker 1: eating rawmen and research and true crime most definitely, and
Speaker 1: getting a tattoo that actually sounds like ben.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a good time. Oh oh oh. And
Speaker 3: the best part of it all, I'm staying one extra day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have to go see a concert for
Speaker 3: people that are a band that I'm like in love with.
Speaker 3: Positive note to it. It is vaccine Passport, so it's
Speaker 3: like COVID friendly environment.
Speaker 1: But it's small, right it is.
Speaker 3: Their venue only holds two hundred people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be sweet.
Speaker 3: If you guys want to go look it up. It's
Speaker 3: a Canadian band called the Real Mackenzies. They are a
Speaker 3: Celtic punk rock band, lots of bag pypes and just
Speaker 3: good times.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you're gonna have a blast.
Speaker 3: I'm pumped. But before we before I head down there,
Speaker 3: we got to record our episode early this time around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is actually sweet. I love recording it early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to be doing that more often.
Speaker 1: We say that literally every episode we do. But next
Speaker 1: one will be recorded early because if it's not, it
Speaker 1: won't be coming out exactly. And with that, don't we
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Speaker 1: Oh man, you had a tough time this time, some
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Speaker 1: And speaking of patrons, actually this case that I'm covering
Speaker 1: today was recommended by one of our patrons, Sarah Granby.
Speaker 3: Sarah, Sarah's been like super talkative with us, which were Yeah,
Speaker 3: she actually sent us a super awesome list of awesome
Speaker 3: recommendations and I'm probably going to do many of them.
Speaker 1: So thank you, Sarah. You're awesome, awesome, awesome. Okay, are
Speaker 1: we ready? Oh my godness, are we ready.
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always getting nervous.
Speaker 3: You get nervous, knees weak, arms are heavy, these vomit
Speaker 3: on your slit already.
Speaker 1: Don't even have elk. I'm drinking out chocolate.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have boozing it, don't you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do? Actually, God, Okay, So I'm starting this one
Speaker 1: a bit different. I'm going to set a scene.
Speaker 3: Set that scene. Let's hear it.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a scene a lot of us
Speaker 1: could find quite relatable. Uh oh, it's October third, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one in London, England.
Speaker 3: That is relatable, is it? Have you been there that
Speaker 3: exact day? Yes? No, not even close.
Speaker 1: And the city is in its third lockdown COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: rules and regulations have basically been going on for over
Speaker 1: a year at this point. These lockdowns are especially hard
Speaker 1: on you, as you live alone and you're quite lonely
Speaker 1: the streets of your normally bustling city or quiet, a
Speaker 1: quiet that has been all too familiar as of late,
Speaker 1: but something you'll never quite get used to. The opportunity
Speaker 1: to join your friend for dinner presents itself, so you
Speaker 1: jump at this opportunity. You're in your early thirties. You're
Speaker 1: in your prime and you've been lacking social interactions lightly,
Speaker 1: so human interaction would be good for you. You start
Speaker 1: your commute to your friend's house, walking the two and
Speaker 1: a half miles, enjoying the fresh air as you go,
Speaker 1: stopping at one point to grab a bottle of wine.
Speaker 1: Once you arrive at your friends, you have a wonderful
Speaker 1: evening visiting and catching up, but the evening has to
Speaker 1: come to an end and it's time for you to
Speaker 1: head home and walk the two and a half miles
Speaker 1: back to your flat. It's about nine o'clock and your
Speaker 1: friends tell you to text. Your friend tells you to
Speaker 1: text her once you arrive home so she knows you
Speaker 1: made it safely. This is just a precaution. What could
Speaker 1: honestly go wrong On your way home. You call your
Speaker 1: boyfriend to check in and make plans to meet the
Speaker 1: following evening. About halfway home, you're approached by a man.
Speaker 1: A bus camera captures the two of you standing next
Speaker 1: to a parked white car with its hazards on. The
Speaker 1: man shows you his identification, indicating that he's a police officer.
Speaker 1: He tells you that you've broken COVID nineteen restrictions by
Speaker 1: being out and having dinner with your friend and he
Speaker 1: arrests you. Being that he's a police officer and in
Speaker 1: a position of authority, clearly you've done something wrong. Here
Speaker 1: you're handcuffed and placed in the car to be escorted
Speaker 1: to the nearest police station, so you thought. But as
Speaker 1: you approach the police station, and then you pass the
Speaker 1: police station, a knot grows in the pit of your
Speaker 1: stomach and you sense something is wrong. Your friend didn't
Speaker 1: receive a text from you that night letting you know
Speaker 1: you arrive safely, and your boyfriend he also didn't meet
Speaker 1: up with you the following night because you didn't arrive,
Speaker 1: and at this point it was known something was not
Speaker 1: quite right. Shit, yeah, that sets the CNA.
Speaker 3: Wow, well done.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Oh my gosh, it just like this case
Speaker 1: affects me so much.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1: So this is the story of Sarah Everard.
Speaker 3: Oh I've heard that name.
Speaker 1: Shit, okay, okay, yeah, And it's a doozy. You ready?
Speaker 3: I don't know. We always say that, Are you ready?
Speaker 3: I don't fucking know. But we're gonna do it anyways,
Speaker 3: whether we're.
Speaker 2: Ready or not, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, buckle your seat belts, ladies and gentlemens and days
Speaker 3: and thems. Let's do this thing so.
Speaker 1: Sarah Everold was born in Surrey, a country in southeast England,
Speaker 1: on June fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven, but she grew up
Speaker 1: in York. She studied human geography at Saint Culbert's Society,
Speaker 1: Durham University from two thousand and five to two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight. She would be described as a beautiful, strong,
Speaker 1: and incredibly kind human, an exceptional friend, dropping everything to
Speaker 1: support her friends whenever they needed, and personally from seeing
Speaker 1: photos of her that during my research, she honestly just
Speaker 1: looked like she was a breath of fresh air, someone
Speaker 1: you would want to spend time with and get to know. Wow,
Speaker 1: like an amazing human. Just sounds like it, just from
Speaker 1: my researches, Like this person sounds like an amazing human.
Speaker 3: Why is it that, like all this shitty stuff just
Speaker 3: always happens to such nice, like care free individuals. I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's like, oh, you wouldn't hurt a fly,
Speaker 3: Well your fucking turned to die?
Speaker 2: Like what I know?
Speaker 1: I think that's why I like Dexter so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, kidding because it's actually like his victims are terrible people, right,
Speaker 1: so it's like a little bit easier to swallow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to do that real life like Dexter case.
Speaker 1: Oh right, there is one, isn't there? Yeah, my gosh,
Speaker 1: I should do that. I'm like literally obsessed with Dexter.
Speaker 1: I want to rewatch the whole series.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's associated with Dexter in any way,
Speaker 3: but he definitely killed serial killers. That was his target.
Speaker 1: Wow. So so the time of the incident that I
Speaker 1: described above, Sarah was only thirty three years.
Speaker 3: Old, same age as us.
Speaker 1: Yep, shit, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is that a bad omen?
Speaker 1: No? I just think that's really young. She had a
Speaker 1: lot of life to live still.
Speaker 3: No kidding, unless she is anything like me, where she
Speaker 3: might be thirty three, but her body feels like it's
Speaker 3: like seventy old.
Speaker 1: I know. As I'm literally sitting here because I've been
Speaker 1: researching like a lot of the day, my back is
Speaker 1: killing me. Right, I seriously think I'm like sometimes an
Speaker 1: thirty year old and like an eighty year old body.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. Maybe if I hit the gym more
Speaker 1: and like did yo good stuff, that'd be helpful.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a lot of work. Though, that sounds
Speaker 3: like a lot of effort. I'd rather just drink a beer.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we need to go to the gym,
Speaker 1: mark we do so. Living in Brixton Hill, an area
Speaker 1: of London, Sarah worked as a marketing marketing executive for
Speaker 1: a digital media A can see. So I think that's
Speaker 1: also like kind of why that resonated with Yeah, because
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, I actually studied marketing in
Speaker 1: post secondary so it's like and she was clearly very
Speaker 1: good at her job as she climbed the corporate ladder.
Speaker 1: Once Sarah failed to meet her boyfriend on the evening
Speaker 1: of March fourth, he reported her as missing and the
Speaker 1: search was on. Family and friends gathered to find their
Speaker 1: beloved Sarah, but feared the worst. This was very much
Speaker 1: so out of character for her. Friends started changing their
Speaker 1: profile pictures on social media to find Sarah Everard ever Art.
Speaker 3: It's really cool how social media can have a presence
Speaker 3: like that and actually rally people to do some good.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so, Susans, this is like so new It
Speaker 1: totally would have probably played a role. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I remember this happening, but I should because yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like it made its way all the way overseas
Speaker 1: and everything. Like a lot of people knew of this, right,
Speaker 1: So in the police well, they started examining CCTV footage
Speaker 1: to see if they could piece together Sarah's last steps.
Speaker 1: I've heard this term before, but CCTV stands for closed
Speaker 1: circuit television, and in the article I read, London was
Speaker 1: described as being the CCTV capital of the world, saying
Speaker 1: the average Londoner is caught on CCTV three hundred times
Speaker 1: a day day.
Speaker 3: I was like, holy, that's impressive. It. Yeah, CCTV is
Speaker 3: like like those old box TVs that like security cameras
Speaker 3: and stuff use original art. Kids use CCTV's Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're heavy as fuck. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, on my day day, I could
Speaker 1: probably go not being caught on any camera really potential.
Speaker 3: What's your same day basis you sit here in the
Speaker 3: tiny home, when you go to like a meadow to
Speaker 3: shoot photography, and then into your studio, which is your
Speaker 3: personal space. Yeah, maybe occasionally you'll go get a hot
Speaker 3: chocolate down the coffee shop or sushi, so maybe on
Speaker 3: that yeah, on security cameras at the coffee shop and
Speaker 3: sushi shop. That's where you'll find the call. So if
Speaker 3: you ever go missing, those are the two first places
Speaker 3: I'm in a check for footage.
Speaker 1: Well there's other ways. So London CCTV is a mixture
Speaker 1: of government surveillance, business security, and private home CCTV. So
Speaker 1: like even like the doorbell I think is a doorbell camera?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, needless to say, the police had a lot of
Speaker 1: potential information at their fingertips tips, but it would take
Speaker 1: some time to go through. But as they put Sarah's
Speaker 1: steps together, they would eventually find something, and that was
Speaker 1: the plate of the white car that was parked next
Speaker 1: to Sarah.
Speaker 3: Shit, they got the plate and the man.
Speaker 1: She was having the conversation with on her walk harm
Speaker 1: so they got a clear picture and yes the plate.
Speaker 3: Fuck yes, like boom, yeah, this motherfucker is going down.
Speaker 1: The car was a rental car, and the man who
Speaker 1: had rented the car that evening was one of their own,
Speaker 1: Wayne Cousins, who was an active police constable and firearms
Speaker 1: officer who was serving with the Metropolice. The met is
Speaker 1: what I might refer to them as oh.
Speaker 3: Shit, so he was an actual officer active.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Wow, so he completely took advantage of his authority. Wow,
Speaker 3: fucking douche bait.
Speaker 1: Like he's a monster, He's nasty, disgusting human being. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't say enough terrible things about him what she said.
Speaker 1: I could have gone more. I decided not to swear
Speaker 1: in that tent, and so I could have gone a
Speaker 1: way deeper there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like this guy at all. Already, Like,
Speaker 3: fuck this dude.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, no, we don't like him. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: could imagine this. But oh, where was I here? But oh,
Speaker 1: this was not what they were expecting to find. They
Speaker 1: were not expecting to find that this dude she was
Speaker 1: talking to was one of their own.
Speaker 3: Well, who would expect an authority figure like that who's
Speaker 3: supposed to be there to serve and protect the tablic
Speaker 3: yeh is the one who's actually like causing.
Speaker 1: This shit exactly, Which brings us to the beginning of
Speaker 1: the story and what happened to Sarah. On February twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, just days before Sarah's disappearance, Wayne reserved
Speaker 1: a white car from a rental company in Dover, England.
Speaker 1: I think it was enterprise. He had also previously purchased
Speaker 1: some materials from Amazon, materials such as handcuffs to mimic
Speaker 1: what a police set of handcuffs would look like, and
Speaker 1: a role of very strong self adhesive film.
Speaker 3: Wait, he how do you get the handcuff story?
Speaker 1: Amazon?
Speaker 3: Amazon? Why didn't he just use his own?
Speaker 1: I know, I wasn't one hundred percent certain about that,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like at because another thing I read
Speaker 1: at one point he was like candying in his things, like, so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they didn't get to take them
Speaker 1: home with them or something there, Okay, which would be
Speaker 1: a good thing.
Speaker 3: Really, And I wonder about his badge.
Speaker 1: Then well he still had some sort of identification that
Speaker 1: he showed up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh clearly.
Speaker 1: So. So this basically indicates that the crime he was
Speaker 1: about to commit was premeditating, no kidding. A March second,
Speaker 1: Wayne would complete his shift, a twelve hour shift ending
Speaker 1: on March third at seven in the morning, and that
Speaker 1: was the day that Wayne was waiting for. That was
Speaker 1: the day he had reserved his rental car for fuck,
Speaker 1: being that he wasn't scheduled to work again until March eighth.
Speaker 1: He told his family, Yes he had a family, A
Speaker 1: wife and two small kids. Fuck, which I just despise.
Speaker 3: This guy's a monster. Fuck this guy.
Speaker 1: So he told them that he picked up an overtime
Speaker 1: shift for the night so he could go about his
Speaker 1: evening as he had planned without having to worry about
Speaker 1: his family wondering what he was doing. Right.
Speaker 3: Fuck classic late tonight, honey.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, but generally it's well not then an
Speaker 1: affair is better to get away, to do something.
Speaker 3: Shady, Yes, to be a shitty fucking human being.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As Wayne drove from Dover to London, stopping at
Speaker 1: one at one point to purchase hairbands, it wasn't determine
Speaker 1: what the hairbands were exactly for. I don't even know
Speaker 1: I put this in there, but speculated either to maintain
Speaker 1: an erection or as a means of restraint. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the ship. Let's just let's move forward
Speaker 1: so he couldn't get hard. I don't know, Ben, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: He's got a rectile dysfunction.
Speaker 1: He's in his forties. I think I don't know when
Speaker 1: that shit starts.
Speaker 3: I mean, it affects everyone differently, and I don't want
Speaker 3: to make fun of everyone who does from it. But
Speaker 3: I don't want to make fun of this guy, because
Speaker 3: this guy.
Speaker 1: It's nothing to be made fun of at all. But okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm just not going to go there. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I was gonna almost google that,
Speaker 1: but I just decided not to. So he would then
Speaker 1: start start, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to google that.
Speaker 1: Especially if I, yeah, get you googling. What would I
Speaker 1: use a hair tye for on my dick? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know how you would wear.
Speaker 3: That was a whole sentence that you just said on
Speaker 3: our podcast.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, he would, oh my gosh, okay.
Speaker 1: He would then start his hunt, driving around, hunting for
Speaker 1: a lone woman, lone young woman to kidnap, which.
Speaker 2: Is when.
Speaker 1: Sarah and Wayne's pass crossed. At nine thirty four pm.
Speaker 1: Wayne stopped Sarah, Sarah showed her his police Weren't card,
Speaker 1: and handcuffed her, claiming that he was arresting her for
Speaker 1: breaching COVID nineteen guidelines if she actually had, I honestly
Speaker 1: could not find that information out like I really searched,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking she did not. If it was similar
Speaker 1: to how it was here that would not have been
Speaker 1: breaching guidelines because I know if you were alone in
Speaker 1: your household, you were allowed to go visit like other people.
Speaker 1: And at that point when she was stopped, she was
Speaker 1: literally just like out for a walk on the street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that.
Speaker 3: Would ever be No, you're allowed to walk unless there
Speaker 3: was a curfew maybe in place.
Speaker 1: Oh, it could have been a there could have been curfews.
Speaker 1: I did here, there's curfews at places anyway. I did
Speaker 1: try to find that and I could not. But what,
Speaker 1: oh where I keep losing my light spot here.
Speaker 3: It's easy though, when you get off on a tangent
Speaker 3: or something like that, because you're just like kind of
Speaker 3: scrolling and then your eyes leave your screen used to
Speaker 3: happen away and.
Speaker 2: You look back.
Speaker 1: So I feel you thank you for putting on there,
Speaker 1: because I was like, seriously, well, I.
Speaker 3: Know that's why I kept talking. So I gave you
Speaker 3: a moment to catch up and figure out where you were.
Speaker 3: Little tip of the trade on what we do behind
Speaker 3: the microphones.
Speaker 1: There you go, Okay, Well, something I did find though,
Speaker 1: was that because I don't know if that was really
Speaker 1: something that could be happening in BC or Canada. But
Speaker 1: over there the police had the power to arrest people
Speaker 1: who were breaking COVID rules. Okay, I don't think that
Speaker 1: was the thing here. I don't. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not really going to go into.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they could arrest, but maybe they
Speaker 3: could all like issue a citation.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, But really was she going to resist arrest?
Speaker 1: He was a legit, legit police officer, right and had
Speaker 1: the badge and everything to prove it. During the conversation
Speaker 1: or altercation, whatever you want to call it, Wayne and
Speaker 1: Sarah were captured twice by CCTV. The first at oh
Speaker 1: I put twenty one thirty five, which is what time
Speaker 1: nine thirty five? Well done, booming for a moment, So
Speaker 1: at nine thirty five showed them beside the rented car,
Speaker 1: and at nine thirty eight, which was the capture, you
Speaker 1: could identify the rented car's plate number, so they were
Speaker 1: shown twice. They had also been spotted by someone driving
Speaker 1: by who witnessed Wayne actually handcuffing Sarah, but they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything about it because they just had thought it
Speaker 1: was like an undercover police officer making arrest. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think anyone would probably be stopping
Speaker 1: right No, I.
Speaker 3: Mean if she didn't make a scene or anything like
Speaker 3: that right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because I don't think she thought anything was
Speaker 1: wrong exactly. Then Sarah and Wayne were gone. And this
Speaker 1: is so in trust in me, Like, how can anyone
Speaker 1: get away with anything? There? Like, I guess that My
Speaker 1: one thing is I I don't understand how Wayne actually
Speaker 1: thought he could get away with something in this era
Speaker 1: when there is so much SHECTV like, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. But unlike heading to the
Speaker 1: police station like Sarah expected, Wayne had other plans for her.
Speaker 1: And these are the kinds of plans that will break
Speaker 1: your heart. Fuck, and there we go.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: At eleven forty three, CCTV footage capture Sarah and Wayne
Speaker 1: in Dover. This is where Wayne would transfer Sarah from
Speaker 1: the rental car to his own personal car. Wayne then
Speaker 1: drives Sarah to a remote rural area nearby that he
Speaker 1: was very familiar with, and we'll touch more on this later,
Speaker 1: where he rapes Sarah and supposedly using his police belt,
Speaker 1: strangles Sarah to death.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: The official cause of death was from compression of the neck. Wow,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like it's just disgusting. I just can't
Speaker 1: even fathom. At what moment, you know, did she realize
Speaker 1: like shit, like what's happening here? And notice that she
Speaker 1: was in danger and all for what?
Speaker 3: Just because he needed to get his rocks off? Like fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he just he was like a sexual predator. Really.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he killed her because he didn't want to witness. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just because he couldn't jerk off himself anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So at two thirty five, two thirty
Speaker 1: four in the morning, Wayne purchases drinks from a Dover
Speaker 1: gas station. There's no way of officially knowing, but it's
Speaker 1: believed that by this time he had already killed Sarah.
Speaker 1: Between three twenty two and six thirty two, Wayne is
Speaker 1: captured returning to the scene of the crime a couple
Speaker 1: of times, until he switches back to his rental and
Speaker 1: returns it around eight thirty. He then drives a considerable
Speaker 1: distance to Sandwich, Kent to dispose of Sarah's phone in
Speaker 1: a river, before returning home at a time that made sense,
Speaker 1: as though he had just ended his shift at work
Speaker 1: later that morning making dental appointments for his kids, like
Speaker 1: it was just a normal fucking day. Wow, like a
Speaker 1: real winner. See that's one thing actually that bog was
Speaker 1: my mind, that you can commit such a horrific act
Speaker 1: like you're disgusting him being, and then you just go
Speaker 1: on your day to day life, right, like you go
Speaker 1: home to your kids, for Fox's sakes, when you just
Speaker 1: murdered someone's kid.
Speaker 3: He's probably honestly happy with himself thinking he's getting away
Speaker 3: with this. He just had a fucking, in his opinion,
Speaker 3: a great fucking evening, which is just disgusting to think about.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's just he's probably in a good mood, honestly.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't want to even think about that. It
Speaker 1: was later that day that Sarah was officially reported missing
Speaker 1: to police after failing to meet her boyfriend, and the
Speaker 1: search started the following day. On March fifth, Wing continues
Speaker 1: going through the motions of his plan. He hits up
Speaker 1: a gas station where he buys an empty gas can,
Speaker 1: fills it with gas. The gas I'm sure you're imagining
Speaker 1: to burn Sarah's body. He burns her body, along with
Speaker 1: her possessions and clothing, in an old, abandoned refrigerator so
Speaker 1: smoke could be seen in the general area that Sarah's
Speaker 1: body was later found taking a sip of my drink.
Speaker 3: Wow, So I wonder, like, was it reported at all
Speaker 3: that fire? Was it just like, oh, there's just someone
Speaker 3: burning some shit over there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't it didn't say that it was reported.
Speaker 1: I think it was probably reported after the fact, after
Speaker 1: like details started coming out potentially, right, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: well maybe oh yeah I saw that small yeah fuck
Speaker 1: because like I mean, if I just saw like little
Speaker 1: smoke in the yeah, unless there was like a fireband,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would do anything about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And I mean it could be a little
Speaker 3: bit different over there is to hear. I'm not too
Speaker 3: sure what their normality for fire smoke on the bushes
Speaker 3: or anything, or if they have like a bush where
Speaker 3: people go have fires or what.
Speaker 1: But here a lot of people have fires often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's it's not abnormal to sease smoke billowing up
Speaker 3: from the.
Speaker 1: Bush pe even probably when there's fire bands. Yes, which
Speaker 1: is disgusting. Yes, Okay, Well Sarah's body burned. He went
Speaker 1: about his day once again, purchasing food and making a
Speaker 1: vet appointment for his dog. Like what a literal asshole?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I mean I've already said this, but
Speaker 1: the s guy's just an asshole, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I can say it enough. He would later move her
Speaker 1: body using two builders bags he had purchased, to a
Speaker 1: near by pond in Howard's Wood. There this is where
Speaker 1: her body would eventually get found.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that she did get found, though, because
Speaker 3: a lot of missing women like this, they just they're
Speaker 3: missing and they don't get found. Even if they get
Speaker 3: found it's years later, right, which I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that would be worse for the family that
Speaker 1: you just want closure, I think. But then I guess
Speaker 1: that you have a little bit of smedge of hope
Speaker 1: if they're not found. But Hugh, that just the way
Speaker 1: it would affect your day to day too, especially if
Speaker 1: they're already deceased. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh, I think getting found is better than not
Speaker 3: getting found.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, if they're dead, yes, so.
Speaker 3: Well, no, getting found is better not getting found period,
Speaker 3: dead or alive.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I get it. I think we're on different
Speaker 1: pages or something.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if if there's a missing person, it's
Speaker 3: good for them to be found.
Speaker 1: Found, Okay, dead or alive?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, Okay, you said if they were dead. You
Speaker 3: specifically made that clarification.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I just meant because if they we're still alive,
Speaker 1: like you'd rather them be alive. Okay, I'm not thinking
Speaker 1: anything at all. Okay, where am I going with that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Basically, I'd rather them instead of just being found dead,
Speaker 1: I'd rather than just be alive. Oh yeah, right, but
Speaker 1: then it might not necessarily be like alive in the
Speaker 1: best of the situations either, So I don't know. Fuck.
Speaker 1: We want people to be home and be safe and
Speaker 1: cozy and happy.
Speaker 3: Watching Netflix with a blanket.
Speaker 1: You know, drinking hot cocal hells.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what we want on Wicked and yes, that's
Speaker 3: what we're rooting for here.
Speaker 1: Okay. So on March sixth, the Wayne isn't set to
Speaker 1: be back to work for a couple of days. He
Speaker 1: phones in and reports that he's suffering from stress and
Speaker 1: no longer wants to carry a gun. Something interesting with
Speaker 1: that that I should mention is not all police officers
Speaker 1: in the UK carry guns. Did you know this?
Speaker 2: ID?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you have to be specifically trained, which I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, because in Canada I think all police
Speaker 1: officers have a gun. Do they not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all generally carry a sidearm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know if that's some I think
Speaker 1: that's similar in the US too, But so I was
Speaker 1: just like, wow, I had no idea. Okay, the following
Speaker 1: day on March seventh, Oh my gosh, this is really
Speaker 1: messed up. But Wayne takes his family to Hoddswood. What yes?
Speaker 1: Why so the crime actually took place on a small
Speaker 1: pot of land owned by Wayne and his wife. They
Speaker 1: owned a pot of land out there. This guy is stupid,
Speaker 1: So days after he raped and murdered someone, why would
Speaker 1: it not be a good idea to take his family
Speaker 1: up to the site, right, Like, what an idiot? Because
Speaker 1: how traumatic is that going to be for your children
Speaker 1: who are later going to one day learn how much
Speaker 1: of a fucking monster you are and that you did this?
Speaker 3: No shit, And also like, don't return to the scene
Speaker 3: of the crime. Don't commit a crime on your own
Speaker 3: fucking property. How dumb is that? Don't commit a crime
Speaker 3: to begin with? But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was like one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on his property because he did move the body, right, well,
Speaker 1: so report said that it was, and then he moved
Speaker 1: it away, but because Sarah's body was found approximate one
Speaker 1: hundred meters from the family's plot of land, so it's like.
Speaker 3: Pretty much that's basically his property.
Speaker 1: But him taking his family there, he was doing that
Speaker 1: for a reason, right, Yeah, because he was doing that
Speaker 1: to wipe away or to basically have an alibi of
Speaker 1: why his car might have Yeah, some remnants is of
Speaker 1: that area on it. Yeah, exactly, So I mean he
Speaker 1: was being smart, I guess. Like, Ugh, on March eighth,
Speaker 1: Wayne would call him sick for work, and on March ninth,
Speaker 1: a very good day, Wayne would be arrested. Yes, the
Speaker 1: police had been working hard piecing together Sarah's last steps,
Speaker 1: and approximately seven fifty Wayne was arrested at his home
Speaker 1: in deal Kent. And he must have known this was
Speaker 1: coming because not even an hour earlier, he wiped all
Speaker 1: the data from his phone, but it was still linked
Speaker 1: through through cell site data and the white car he
Speaker 1: had rented, so like they still had him doing that. Like,
Speaker 1: what an idiot? I just think everything he does as
Speaker 1: an idiot.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's just an idiot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just you wait too until you hear the story.
Speaker 1: The story he comes up with.
Speaker 3: Oh, God, let's hear it. Let's hear this.
Speaker 1: You're going to talk about it in a minute. In
Speaker 1: a minute, you'll hear okay. But the following day, March tenth,
Speaker 1: police searching Hoddswood find human remains. It took a couple
Speaker 1: of days, but the body was identified had to be
Speaker 1: identified through dental record as being Sarah. Now, when Wayne
Speaker 1: was initially arrested, it was on suspicion suspicion of kidnapping.
Speaker 1: They didn't find Sarah's body until the day the following day.
Speaker 1: As Wayne was interviewed, he initially said he had never
Speaker 1: met Sarah, had only seen photos of her on the news,
Speaker 1: But he quickly changed this tune and made up quite
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: Let's hear the bullshit he fed them, the absolute bullshit.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.
Speaker 1: He claimed he was having financial problems, that a gang
Speaker 1: of Eastern Europeans were after him and threatening him and
Speaker 1: his family, demanding that he delivered them another girl. He
Speaker 1: said he had hired a sex worker a few weeks
Speaker 1: prior and underpaid her, so they were demanding this of him.
Speaker 1: So he was omitting to kidnapping Sarah and handing her
Speaker 1: over to this gang. But that when he did so,
Speaker 1: she was still alive. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that anyone would believe that?
Speaker 3: No, that seems very broad, very vague, and very.
Speaker 1: Guilty because even when the police like had more questions
Speaker 1: about it, or we're saying, okay, well do you have
Speaker 1: their contact information? Like how are they reaching you? Like,
Speaker 1: he couldn't provide any of that information. Nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. He has
Speaker 3: no way of connecting it, no way of even being like,
Speaker 3: this is the car they drove, this is what they
Speaker 3: looked like, how many were there, what they talked like,
Speaker 3: with the clothes they were wearing, with their haircut, nothing,
Speaker 3: just very descriptive of some European dudes who wanted money.
Speaker 3: So that to me sounds very much like trying to
Speaker 3: make something up. The mafia is after me for money.
Speaker 1: And it's almost curious. I'm curious. Did he not think
Speaker 1: that he was going to get caught? Like did he
Speaker 1: literally think that he had this the bag? Probably he
Speaker 1: he have no idea why like this, the amount of
Speaker 1: cameras around.
Speaker 3: Dude, he probably just assumed he was getting away with it.
Speaker 3: And then the moment before when he did delete his phone,
Speaker 3: like the hour before something probably tipped him off on
Speaker 3: the news or whatever. He was like scrambling to make
Speaker 3: shit up and try and cover his tracks.
Speaker 1: And so interesting that you said he thought he would
Speaker 1: just get away with it because you'll hear something and
Speaker 1: I never even like put the two and two together.
Speaker 1: But he does other shit that he gets away with,
Speaker 1: like just easy peasy. Oh really prior to this, which
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a moment. Okay, So even with
Speaker 1: this bogus made up story, after the discovery of Sarah's
Speaker 1: deceased body so close to land owned by Wayne, he
Speaker 1: was charged with Sarah's kidnapping and murder on June eighth, Wayne,
Speaker 1: which I do like, actually pleaded guilty to the kidnapping
Speaker 1: and rape of Sarah, admitting responsibility or her death.
Speaker 3: That's the first fucking decent thing he's done, So he didn't.
Speaker 1: Keep making up garbage stories and let this cost a
Speaker 1: shit ton of money. He just guilty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was probably out of like his lawyer
Speaker 3: telling him to do so, to try and get a
Speaker 3: lesser sentence is probably why. So it wasn't out of
Speaker 3: like actually admitting it. It was probably a selfish reason.
Speaker 1: Well, because I think there was no way he could
Speaker 1: be getting out of it either. Yeah, there's nothing guilty.
Speaker 3: You might get less time, that's probably all it was.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate that he and Sarah were complete strangers
Speaker 1: and were unknown to each other prior to her abduction.
Speaker 1: The choice of victim was random, but the attack was planned.
Speaker 1: Sarah was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 1: But being that she was literally just walking home and
Speaker 1: Wayne was out on the hunt, someone worded it as
Speaker 1: he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 1: And I like that because Sarah didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Right, So why say she was in the wrong place?
Speaker 1: She was literally living her life walking home from an
Speaker 1: evening with a friend. Yep, So fuck Wayne.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just so Angryne, I'm so angry with him.
Speaker 3: Fucking Wayne.
Speaker 1: Before Wayne's official sentencing, the MET dismissed him from the
Speaker 1: service effective immediately, thank.
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, rightfully.
Speaker 1: So yeah. They would also announce that lone plain clothed
Speaker 1: officers would no longer be deployed.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: So that's good. Wayne was sentenced to a whole life order,
Speaker 1: with Lord Justice full forward, justifying the severity of the
Speaker 1: punishment by saying that Wayne's use of his position as
Speaker 1: a police officer today detained Sarah was the vital factor,
Speaker 1: which in my view makes the seriousness of this case
Speaker 1: exceptionally high one hundred because I don't necessarily think he
Speaker 1: would have got in this whole life order. But the
Speaker 1: judge thankfully was like a reasonable person and gave it
Speaker 1: to him good. The judge remarked there had been significant
Speaker 1: planning and premeditation. Wayne had long plan to carry out
Speaker 1: a violent sexual assault on a yet to be selected
Speaker 1: victim who he intended to coherse into custody, noted the judge,
Speaker 1: at least a month traveling to London from Deal where
Speaker 1: he lived, to research how to best carry out this crime,
Speaker 1: like he studied, Like it wasn't just a split decision
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 3: To do this, And for that much studying, he couldn't
Speaker 3: come up with any fucking better shit to alibi, like nothing,
Speaker 3: no backup plans other than oh the muff use after
Speaker 3: me for money? Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, technically he should have, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: he's dumb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's real dumb. Fuck you, Wayne, I know, fucking Wayne.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not going to go into a ton of detail,
Speaker 1: but there are some some more noteworthy things to discuss,
Speaker 1: first being that there may have been some red flag
Speaker 1: incidents involving Wayne that were not handled or investigated properly.
Speaker 1: The incidents being indecent exposure incidents. Oh shit, one in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen and one just days prior to him kidnapping Sarah.
Speaker 1: Really they were incidents that involved Wayne driving around his
Speaker 1: car wearing nothing from the waist down, so like just pantiless,
Speaker 1: and the most recent one involving him going through the
Speaker 1: drive throughout McDonald's like this, are you kidding me? No,
Speaker 1: Like that's what he did. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: And the police force he worked for didn't do anything
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: No, Like it was found out that it was a
Speaker 1: police officer base connected to Wayne, and yeah, like nothing
Speaker 1: was done.
Speaker 3: Lay fuck.
Speaker 1: So if they had investigated this properly, he may not
Speaker 1: have been available to commit the crime against Sarah, right
Speaker 1: like because that one had just happened. Wow, Like I
Speaker 1: think that's almost you could go to jail for that
Speaker 1: probably assume like that's a crime, Like you are making
Speaker 1: some poor p probably little teenager at McDonald's, Like see your.
Speaker 3: Wiener, see your erectile dysfunction, disgusting, disgusting, like I just
Speaker 3: couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I actually worked at Tim Horton's.
Speaker 3: And if I saw shit like that, just seeing old
Speaker 3: man's wiener in the drive through.
Speaker 1: I I actually don't know what I would do. Quit, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would hope you'd quit if you saw that shit.
Speaker 1: Now though, as being like an adult, I feel like
Speaker 1: you do such different things. And if you saw it
Speaker 1: as like hot coffee, as like a fifteen year old, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't know, okay, And this
Speaker 1: is disturbing. He had been nicknamed by his colleagues at
Speaker 1: work the rapist.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: For the way he made female colleagues feel what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So A like that's a terrible nickname, and be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck could a police officer be nicknamed something
Speaker 1: so horrific?
Speaker 3: No kidding. If you have someone on your force nicknamed
Speaker 3: the rapist something needs and is going through drive throughs
Speaker 3: and McDonald's pantless and having indecent exposure like incidents, you
Speaker 3: probably should do something.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And this just came into my brain. I
Speaker 1: hadn't even written in here. I forgot to pute it
Speaker 1: in there, But there was something too about a sex
Speaker 1: worker had come into a police station at one point,
Speaker 1: I think, claiming like that Wayne didn't pay her enough
Speaker 1: or something. Okay, like just oh he just is Oh,
Speaker 1: he just should not be in the position that he
Speaker 1: was in, Like it's disgusting. Wow, Okay. So, as you
Speaker 1: can imagine, the police faced a massive amount of blacklash
Speaker 1: from the public for many reasons following the claise. The
Speaker 1: public deserved answers why was a police officer able to
Speaker 1: continue working after incidents of a decent exposure were reported?
Speaker 1: Women were also living in fear Sarah was just walking home.
Speaker 1: In September, the met stated that people should consider shouting
Speaker 1: out to a passerby, or running into a house, or
Speaker 1: knocking on a door, or waving a bus down, or
Speaker 1: calling nine nine nine if they ever felt uncomfortable when
Speaker 1: they were being stopped by a single police officer. But
Speaker 1: this was highly criticized because could that not just be
Speaker 1: have people facing charges of resisting arrest. They literally put
Speaker 1: that out there, do these things.
Speaker 3: So basically, if you feel uncomfortable from a police officer, run, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's a police officer going to do?
Speaker 1: Like that is just the most terrible idea to put
Speaker 1: out there, ever.
Speaker 3: That escalates the situation, that now puts you under further
Speaker 3: arrest and more like, oh my god. The list goes on.
Speaker 1: So this is such a new case and I hope
Speaker 1: as it's examined that it brings positive changes that make
Speaker 1: people feel more safe on the streets of the UK
Speaker 1: and safer on the streets of the world, because, if anything,
Speaker 1: this should be done for Sarah.
Speaker 3: I do want to say one note on that police
Speaker 3: statement though. Sure they said that if you feel uncomfortable
Speaker 3: in a single police officer arrests or situation, that you
Speaker 3: should do those things. Correct. They no longer have single
Speaker 3: police officers in civilian clothing, yes, so that's that's the
Speaker 3: catch there, But it could be.
Speaker 1: Someone in uniform, right, If it was one one police
Speaker 1: officer in uniform, you could do those things.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I can understand. Okay, if you're approached by
Speaker 3: a single police officer and civilian clothes or someone claiming
Speaker 3: to be then yeah, okay, that makes more sense. But yeah,
Speaker 3: if it's a uniformed officer, yeah not so much.
Speaker 1: And just like, imagine how awful that would make because
Speaker 1: I mean, this was one hopefully one bad person, right, yes,
Speaker 1: but then there was probably many people on the force
Speaker 1: that were good.
Speaker 3: So it's just how one bad apple? Right yeah? But however,
Speaker 3: if it is one bad person on the force, okay, yeah, sure, however,
Speaker 3: how many people on the force were nicknaming him the rapist?
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not doing anything about it. I know
Speaker 3: how many people on the force knew about his indecent
Speaker 3: exposure and just let him walk. So is it just
Speaker 3: one bad apple or is it an entire system that's broken?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know, I didn't I was going to
Speaker 1: touch like a lot on all this stuff. There was
Speaker 1: way more. We could probably even have another podcast about
Speaker 1: things because there was also memorials and things that were
Speaker 1: set up for Sarah and COVID nineteen was rapid at
Speaker 1: that time, right, very much so. And so the police
Speaker 1: also had gotten themselves in trouble because they sometimes had
Speaker 1: to break up these things and it was just like
Speaker 1: just like a complete shit show.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I could see that, And.
Speaker 1: So I just hope that something that things are examined,
Speaker 1: that procedures are examined, that just like everything is examined,
Speaker 1: and that positive changes can be made out of this.
Speaker 1: I agreed so that's really all I'm going to say
Speaker 1: about it. And with that, I wanted to read a
Speaker 1: piece from Sarah's mother's impact statement that pulls us off.
Speaker 1: When Sarah went missing, we suffered days of agony, not
Speaker 1: knowing where she was or what had happened to her. Then,
Speaker 1: when Sarah's burnt remains were found, we spent two terrible
Speaker 1: days waiting for tests to show how she had died,
Speaker 1: fearing that she had been set alight before she was dead.
Speaker 1: The thought was appalling. Burning her body was the final insult.
Speaker 1: It meant we could never see her sweet face and
Speaker 1: never say goodbye. Our lives will never be the same.
Speaker 1: We would be a family of five, but now we
Speaker 1: are four. Her death leaves a yawning chasm in our
Speaker 1: lives that cannot be filled. I yearn for her. I
Speaker 1: remember all the lovely things about her. She was caring,
Speaker 1: she was funny, She was clever, but she was good
Speaker 1: at practical things too. She was a beautiful dancer. She
Speaker 1: was a wonderful daughter. She was always there there to listen,
Speaker 1: to advise, or simply to share with the minutia of
Speaker 1: the day. And she was also a strongly principled young
Speaker 1: one who knew right from wrong and who lived by
Speaker 1: those values. She was a good person, she had purpose
Speaker 1: to her life.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's a really well articulated statement.
Speaker 1: I know there was. It was longer than that, and
Speaker 1: so there was an impact statement from the mom, the dad,
Speaker 1: and the sister and they're all just like gut wrenching,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of wish I could pt them all
Speaker 1: in there, but I don't know. And that's that. May
Speaker 1: we light a candle and Stayar's honor and may she
Speaker 1: rest in peace. And fuck Wayne, I know he's disgusting. Wow,
Speaker 1: And I just yeah, this it's just like because I
Speaker 1: think this story is so new too, it's like relatable
Speaker 1: because it's like COVID is still a thing, and it's
Speaker 1: just like she's young, and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, it hurts.
Speaker 3: It does because I could see someone falling victim to that,
Speaker 3: because I mean, COVID rules change every day. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: So maybe there is a curfew, maybe there isn't. Maybe
Speaker 3: you aren't supposed to be out. You don't know, and
Speaker 3: you're just trying to do the right thing, and law
Speaker 3: enforcement is someone somewhere just takes advantage.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, when COVID first started, I was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent one of those people that would watch the news
Speaker 1: releases and shit, yeah, so I knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: But then there came a time where I just stopped
Speaker 1: and I have absolutely no idea half the time what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: Well, because it's been going on for two years, So.
Speaker 1: If something like that happened, I don't even I mean,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, holy shit, like what did I do?
Speaker 1: Like you probably questioned a bit in your mind, but
Speaker 1: like this person is a cop and or a police officer,
Speaker 1: so like you're going to follow, like what can you
Speaker 1: do resist arrest?
Speaker 3: Well, and there's a whole psychological thing going on when
Speaker 3: you're talking to an authority figure. If there's been studies
Speaker 3: and everything done on this. I can't remember the exact
Speaker 3: term on the effect or whatever it is, but you
Speaker 3: have a complete right to remain silent. We all know
Speaker 3: the right to remain silent. Do you ever remain silent
Speaker 3: to an officer? No, They ask you where you were,
Speaker 3: what you're doing all the time. You feel like you
Speaker 3: need to give this information because it's an authority figure.
Speaker 3: You feel like you need to participate you need to
Speaker 3: divulge the information.
Speaker 1: So and you're almost probably uncomfortable too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then that's the thing.
Speaker 3: You're uncomfortable and you feel like you should be doing
Speaker 3: this because it's an authority figure and you have someone
Speaker 3: who takes advantage of that whole psychological situation. It's fucked
Speaker 3: and a time.
Speaker 1: When literally everything else is so confusing.
Speaker 3: Too, so it just makes it even worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just horrible. So anyway, I will post a
Speaker 1: photo of Sarah like, she's just like beautiful. She looks
Speaker 1: so young for her age, I feel like, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can let us know what you think of
Speaker 1: the story, but you're probably gonna think it's shit.
Speaker 3: It was a shit story, but you did a really
Speaker 3: good job telling it, so well done.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for that.
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