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<v Speaker 1>Parting the following podcastdays Gratis for a mature audience listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Just USh, Hey, what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>How's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicket

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<v Speaker 1>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here again.

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<v Speaker 3>Another Tuesday, Another Tuesday, another beer, true crimes story coming

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<v Speaker 3>down the pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>You got something cool for us today or what?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's well yeahct this one affected me, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like because it's a bit newer and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess I could say it's relatable ish.

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<v Speaker 3>It's relatable. Who those are the scary ones?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, like it could happen to anyone. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The shitty thing is most of these cases can happen

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<v Speaker 3>to anyone. They can scary a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one, I don't know, Like she's even the

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<v Speaker 1>same age as me. So I'm just like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a lot. It's a lot, fair enough, And

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<v Speaker 1>today was a stat holiday in uh BC, Canada, some

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Canada, not all of Canada, but in our.

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<v Speaker 3>Province, British Columbia. It's sure as Hectada was so, how

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<v Speaker 3>was your day off? It wasn't a day off. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a lot of work. Still, we never sleep, we

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<v Speaker 3>never work. We're just go, go go twenty four seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It's actually so funny because next week, next Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, actually I'm planning to have a day off.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, so that's like a week away. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>planning every day off. I can't even remember the last

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<v Speaker 1>night a day off. And it's like if someone emails

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<v Speaker 1>me a business related question that day, I'm gonna trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>Hard is not to answer, Yeah, peace out, not answering.

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<v Speaker 3>Nicole is on vacation mode.

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<v Speaker 1>Good one day. Oh, let's see if I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I'm a workaholic.

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<v Speaker 3>Next week I'm not even home the entire week. You

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<v Speaker 3>get this giant, tiny house all to yourself for a week.

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<v Speaker 1>It will definitely feel a bit bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>It will. You'll be the only one in it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I won't be.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you got doggos in Kiwi, of course, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>a full house. You'll be the only human being, the

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<v Speaker 3>only person individual of human origin. I'm like, super Jelly,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be and jelly sandwich. Yeah, that's gonna be blast.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to get away, yeah, because I'm heading down

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<v Speaker 3>to Vancouver for some work training stuff. So I have

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<v Speaker 3>a whole week where I'm basically like a nine to

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<v Speaker 3>five going through a training course, and then after that

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<v Speaker 3>sitting in my hotel room, probably eating a lot of ramen,

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<v Speaker 3>getting the tattoo while I'm down there. What else, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>probably be doing a lot of true crime research while

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<v Speaker 3>I'm down there.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's how you're going to spend your evenings,

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<v Speaker 1>eating rawmen and research and true crime most definitely, and

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<v Speaker 1>getting a tattoo that actually sounds like ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be a good time. Oh oh oh. And

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<v Speaker 3>the best part of it all, I'm staying one extra day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I have to go see a concert for

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<v Speaker 3>people that are a band that I'm like in love with.

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<v Speaker 3>Positive note to it. It is vaccine Passport, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>like COVID friendly environment.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's small, right it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Their venue only holds two hundred people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's gonna be sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>If you guys want to go look it up. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a Canadian band called the Real Mackenzies. They are a

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<v Speaker 3>Celtic punk rock band, lots of bag pypes and just

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<v Speaker 3>good times.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, you're gonna have a blast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pumped. But before we before I head down there,

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<v Speaker 3>we got to record our episode early this time around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is actually sweet. I love recording it early.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got to be doing that more often.

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<v Speaker 1>We say that literally every episode we do. But next

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<v Speaker 1>one will be recorded early because if it's not, it

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<v Speaker 1>won't be coming out exactly. And with that, don't we

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<v Speaker 1>have some amazing patrons to.

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<v Speaker 3>Think we do. All those amazing people who are supporting

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<v Speaker 3>supporting us over on Patreon and those who signed up

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<v Speaker 3>this week we have Rebecca Ryan love the spelling of

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<v Speaker 3>her name, by the way, for their name r E

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<v Speaker 3>b e k a h for Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's do. That is dope.

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<v Speaker 3>Shenise C Commer, Okay, Jody Toss Freud toast shred. Your

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<v Speaker 3>last name is really difficult to say. It's putting me

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<v Speaker 3>in a talking twister. T O F s r u

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<v Speaker 3>D tofstred tofstred.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm sure you got it, That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, I just have to say something really really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because sometimes if we pronounce people's name wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and the actually it's hilarious. I know so, but we

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<v Speaker 1>do try. We really want to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 3>We're literally trying our best, So laugh at us or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're trying our best. That's all we know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we enjoy it if you enjoy it, So that's all

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<v Speaker 3>we care about. And Jackie Moran Zen Morazen, Morasin Morazin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you had a tough time this time, some

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<v Speaker 1>difficult names out there. There were some difficult names. But nonetheless, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You so much, Yes, thank you so much for being

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<v Speaker 3>amazing and supporting us over on Patreon. If you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do the same thing as these incredible human beings,

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<v Speaker 3>just find a LinkedIn our description of the podcast. You

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<v Speaker 3>can support us over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of patrons, actually this case that I'm covering

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<v Speaker 1>today was recommended by one of our patrons, Sarah Granby.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah, Sarah's been like super talkative with us, which were Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she actually sent us a super awesome list of awesome

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<v Speaker 3>recommendations and I'm probably going to do many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, Sarah. You're awesome, awesome, awesome. Okay, are

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<v Speaker 1>we ready? Oh my godness, are we ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I always getting nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>You get nervous, knees weak, arms are heavy, these vomit

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<v Speaker 3>on your slit already.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even have elk. I'm drinking out chocolate.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you have boozing it, don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Actually, God, Okay, So I'm starting this one

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<v Speaker 1>a bit different. I'm going to set a scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Set that scene. Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's a scene a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>could find quite relatable. Uh oh, it's October third, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one in London, England.

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<v Speaker 3>That is relatable, is it? Have you been there that

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<v Speaker 3>exact day? Yes? No, not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>And the city is in its third lockdown COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>rules and regulations have basically been going on for over

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<v Speaker 1>a year at this point. These lockdowns are especially hard

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<v Speaker 1>on you, as you live alone and you're quite lonely

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<v Speaker 1>the streets of your normally bustling city or quiet, a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet that has been all too familiar as of late,

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<v Speaker 1>but something you'll never quite get used to. The opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>in your prime and you've been lacking social interactions lightly,

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<v Speaker 1>so human interaction would be good for you. You start

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<v Speaker 1>a half miles, enjoying the fresh air as you go,

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<v Speaker 1>stopping at one point to grab a bottle of wine.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you arrive at your friends, you have a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>evening visiting and catching up, but the evening has to

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<v Speaker 1>head home and walk the two and a half miles

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<v Speaker 1>made it safely. This is just a precaution. What could

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<v Speaker 1>honestly go wrong On your way home. You call your

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<v Speaker 1>following evening. About halfway home, you're approached by a man.

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<v Speaker 1>A bus camera captures the two of you standing next

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<v Speaker 1>He tells you that you've broken COVID nineteen restrictions by

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<v Speaker 1>arrests you. Being that he's a police officer and in

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<v Speaker 1>a position of authority, clearly you've done something wrong. Here

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<v Speaker 1>you're handcuffed and placed in the car to be escorted

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<v Speaker 1>to the nearest police station, so you thought. But as

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<v Speaker 1>you approach the police station, and then you pass the

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<v Speaker 1>police station, a knot grows in the pit of your

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<v Speaker 1>stomach and you sense something is wrong. Your friend didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you arrive safely, and your boyfriend he also didn't meet

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<v Speaker 1>up with you the following night because you didn't arrive,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this point it was known something was not

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<v Speaker 1>quite right. Shit, yeah, that sets the CNA.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, Oh my gosh, it just like this case

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<v Speaker 1>affects me so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the story of Sarah Everard.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I've heard that name.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, okay, okay, yeah, And it's a doozy. You ready?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. We always say that, Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't fucking know. But we're gonna do it anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>whether we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready or not, we're gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, buckle your seat belts, ladies and gentlemens and days

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<v Speaker 3>and thems. Let's do this thing so.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Everold was born in Surrey, a country in southeast England,

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<v Speaker 1>on June fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven, but she grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in York. She studied human geography at Saint Culbert's Society,

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<v Speaker 1>Durham University from two thousand and five to two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight. She would be described as a beautiful, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>and incredibly kind human, an exceptional friend, dropping everything to

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<v Speaker 1>support her friends whenever they needed, and personally from seeing

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<v Speaker 1>photos of her that during my research, she honestly just

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<v Speaker 1>looked like she was a breath of fresh air, someone

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<v Speaker 1>you would want to spend time with and get to know. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>like an amazing human. Just sounds like it, just from

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<v Speaker 1>my researches, Like this person sounds like an amazing human.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is it that, like all this shitty stuff just

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<v Speaker 3>always happens to such nice, like care free individuals. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. It's like, oh, you wouldn't hurt a fly,

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<v Speaker 3>Well your fucking turned to die?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what I know?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why I like Dexter so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, kidding because it's actually like his victims are terrible people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like a little bit easier to swallow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we need to do that real life like Dexter case.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, there is one, isn't there? Yeah, my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I should do that. I'm like literally obsessed with Dexter.

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<v Speaker 3>but he definitely killed serial killers. That was his target.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So so the time of the incident that I

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a bad omen?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I just think that's really young. She had a

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<v Speaker 3>No kidding, unless she is anything like me, where she

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<v Speaker 3>might be thirty three, but her body feels like it's

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<v Speaker 1>I know. As I'm literally sitting here because I've been

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds like a lot of work. Though, that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of effort. I'd rather just drink a beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we need to go to the gym,

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<v Speaker 1>mark we do so. Living in Brixton Hill, an area

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<v Speaker 1>post secondary so it's like and she was clearly very

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<v Speaker 1>Once Sarah failed to meet her boyfriend on the evening

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<v Speaker 1>of March fourth, he reported her as missing and the

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<v Speaker 1>search was on. Family and friends gathered to find their

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<v Speaker 1>beloved Sarah, but feared the worst. This was very much

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<v Speaker 1>so out of character for her. Friends started changing their

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<v Speaker 1>profile pictures on social media to find Sarah Everard ever Art.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really cool how social media can have a presence

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<v Speaker 3>like that and actually rally people to do some good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, so, Susans, this is like so new It

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<v Speaker 1>totally would have probably played a role. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. Like a lot of people knew of this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So in the police well, they started examining CCTV footage

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<v Speaker 1>to see if they could piece together Sarah's last steps.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard this term before, but CCTV stands for closed

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<v Speaker 1>circuit television, and in the article I read, London was

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<v Speaker 1>described as being the CCTV capital of the world, saying

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<v Speaker 1>the average Londoner is caught on CCTV three hundred times

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<v Speaker 1>a day day.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, holy, that's impressive. It. Yeah, CCTV is

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<v Speaker 3>like like those old box TVs that like security cameras

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff use original art. Kids use CCTV's Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're heavy as fuck. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking, like, on my day day, I could

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<v Speaker 3>What's your same day basis you sit here in the

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<v Speaker 3>tiny home, when you go to like a meadow to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot photography, and then into your studio, which is your

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<v Speaker 3>personal space. Yeah, maybe occasionally you'll go get a hot

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<v Speaker 3>chocolate down the coffee shop or sushi, so maybe on

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<v Speaker 3>that yeah, on security cameras at the coffee shop and

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<v Speaker 3>sushi shop. That's where you'll find the call. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you ever go missing, those are the two first places

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in a check for footage.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's other ways. So London CCTV is a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of government surveillance, business security, and private home CCTV. So

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<v Speaker 1>like even like the doorbell I think is a doorbell camera?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So, needless to say, the police had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>potential information at their fingertips tips, but it would take

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<v Speaker 1>some time to go through. But as they put Sarah's

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<v Speaker 1>steps together, they would eventually find something, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the plate of the white car that was parked next

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<v Speaker 1>to Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, they got the plate and the man.

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<v Speaker 1>She was having the conversation with on her walk harm

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<v Speaker 1>so they got a clear picture and yes the plate.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck yes, like boom, yeah, this motherfucker is going down.

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<v Speaker 1>The car was a rental car, and the man who

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<v Speaker 1>had rented the car that evening was one of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Cousins, who was an active police constable and firearms

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<v Speaker 1>officer who was serving with the Metropolice. The met is

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<v Speaker 1>what I might refer to them as oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, so he was an actual officer active.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, so he completely took advantage of his authority. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>fucking douche bait.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's a monster, He's nasty, disgusting human being. And

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't say enough terrible things about him what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have gone more. I decided not to swear

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<v Speaker 1>in that tent, and so I could have gone a

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<v Speaker 1>way deeper there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't like this guy at all. Already, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>fuck this dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, no, we don't like him. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>could imagine this. But oh, where was I here? But oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was not what they were expecting to find. They

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<v Speaker 1>were not expecting to find that this dude she was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to was one of their own.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, who would expect an authority figure like that who's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be there to serve and protect the tablic

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<v Speaker 3>yeh is the one who's actually like causing.

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<v Speaker 1>This shit exactly, Which brings us to the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the story and what happened to Sarah. On February twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, just days before Sarah's disappearance, Wayne reserved

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<v Speaker 1>a white car from a rental company in Dover, England.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was enterprise. He had also previously purchased

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<v Speaker 1>some materials from Amazon, materials such as handcuffs to mimic

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<v Speaker 1>what a police set of handcuffs would look like, and

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<v Speaker 1>a role of very strong self adhesive film.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, he how do you get the handcuff story?

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon?

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon? Why didn't he just use his own?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I wasn't one hundred percent certain about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like at because another thing I read

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<v Speaker 1>at one point he was like candying in his things, like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe they didn't get to take them

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<v Speaker 1>home with them or something there, Okay, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, And I wonder about his badge.

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<v Speaker 1>Then well he still had some sort of identification that

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<v Speaker 1>he showed up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>So. So this basically indicates that the crime he was

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<v Speaker 1>about to commit was premeditating, no kidding. A March second,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne would complete his shift, a twelve hour shift ending

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<v Speaker 1>on March third at seven in the morning, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the day that Wayne was waiting for. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the day he had reserved his rental car for fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>being that he wasn't scheduled to work again until March eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>He told his family, Yes he had a family, A

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<v Speaker 1>wife and two small kids. Fuck, which I just despise.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy's a monster. Fuck this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So he told them that he picked up an overtime

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<v Speaker 1>shift for the night so he could go about his

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<v Speaker 1>evening as he had planned without having to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>his family wondering what he was doing. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck classic late tonight, honey.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, but generally it's well not then an

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<v Speaker 1>affair is better to get away, to do something.

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<v Speaker 3>Shady, Yes, to be a shitty fucking human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As Wayne drove from Dover to London, stopping at

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<v Speaker 1>one at one point to purchase hairbands, it wasn't determine

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<v Speaker 1>what the hairbands were exactly for. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>I put this in there, but speculated either to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>an erection or as a means of restraint. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what the ship. Let's just let's move forward

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<v Speaker 1>so he couldn't get hard. I don't know, Ben, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a rectile dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in his forties. I think I don't know when

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<v Speaker 1>that shit starts.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it affects everyone differently, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to make fun of everyone who does from it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to make fun of this guy, because

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<v Speaker 3>this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing to be made fun of at all. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I'm just not going to go there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't I was gonna almost google that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just decided not to. So he would then

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<v Speaker 1>start start, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't want to google that.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if I, yeah, get you googling. What would I

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<v Speaker 1>use a hair tye for on my dick? Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know how you would wear.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a whole sentence that you just said on

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<v Speaker 3>our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, okay, he would, oh my gosh, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He would then start his hunt, driving around, hunting for

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<v Speaker 1>a lone woman, lone young woman to kidnap, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is when.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah and Wayne's pass crossed. At nine thirty four pm.

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne stopped Sarah, Sarah showed her his police Weren't card,

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<v Speaker 1>and handcuffed her, claiming that he was arresting her for

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<v Speaker 1>breaching COVID nineteen guidelines if she actually had, I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>could not find that information out like I really searched,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm thinking she did not. If it was similar

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<v Speaker 1>to how it was here that would not have been

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<v Speaker 1>breaching guidelines because I know if you were alone in

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<v Speaker 1>your household, you were allowed to go visit like other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point when she was stopped, she was

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<v Speaker 1>literally just like out for a walk on the street. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 3>Would ever be No, you're allowed to walk unless there

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<v Speaker 3>was a curfew maybe in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it could have been a there could have been curfews.

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<v Speaker 1>I did here, there's curfews at places anyway. I did

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<v Speaker 1>try to find that and I could not. But what,

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<v Speaker 1>oh where I keep losing my light spot here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy though, when you get off on a tangent

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that, because you're just like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>scrolling and then your eyes leave your screen used to

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<v Speaker 3>happen away and.

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<v Speaker 2>You look back.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel you thank you for putting on there,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, seriously, well, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know that's why I kept talking. So I gave you

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<v Speaker 3>a moment to catch up and figure out where you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Little tip of the trade on what we do behind

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<v Speaker 3>the microphones.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, Okay, Well, something I did find though,

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<v Speaker 1>was that because I don't know if that was really

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<v Speaker 1>something that could be happening in BC or Canada. But

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<v Speaker 1>over there the police had the power to arrest people

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<v Speaker 1>who were breaking COVID rules. Okay, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing here. I don't. I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really going to go into.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they could arrest, but maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, But really was she going to resist arrest?

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<v Speaker 1>He was a legit, legit police officer, right and had

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<v Speaker 1>the badge and everything to prove it. During the conversation

428
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.359
<v Speaker 1>or altercation, whatever you want to call it, Wayne and

429
00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Sarah were captured twice by CCTV. The first at oh

430
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I put twenty one thirty five, which is what time

431
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>nine thirty five? Well done, booming for a moment, So

432
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.319
<v Speaker 1>at nine thirty five showed them beside the rented car,

433
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.279
<v Speaker 1>and at nine thirty eight, which was the capture, you

434
00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:29.880
<v Speaker 1>could identify the rented car's plate number, so they were

435
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 1>shown twice. They had also been spotted by someone driving

436
00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:38.119
<v Speaker 1>by who witnessed Wayne actually handcuffing Sarah, but they didn't

437
00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>do anything about it because they just had thought it

438
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.599
<v Speaker 1>was like an undercover police officer making arrest. Like I

439
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't think anyone would probably be stopping

440
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>right No, I.

441
00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Mean if she didn't make a scene or anything like

442
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:51.039
<v Speaker 3>that right now?

443
00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, because I don't think she thought anything was

444
00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:58.720
<v Speaker 1>wrong exactly. Then Sarah and Wayne were gone. And this

445
00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.839
<v Speaker 1>is so in trust in me, Like, how can anyone

446
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 1>get away with anything? There? Like, I guess that My

447
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>one thing is I I don't understand how Wayne actually

448
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>thought he could get away with something in this era

449
00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:13.839
<v Speaker 1>when there is so much SHECTV like, it just doesn't

450
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>make any sense to me. But unlike heading to the

451
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>police station like Sarah expected, Wayne had other plans for her.

452
00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And these are the kinds of plans that will break

453
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>your heart. Fuck, and there we go.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

455
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.359
<v Speaker 1>At eleven forty three, CCTV footage capture Sarah and Wayne

456
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 1>in Dover. This is where Wayne would transfer Sarah from

457
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.759
<v Speaker 1>the rental car to his own personal car. Wayne then

458
00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>drives Sarah to a remote rural area nearby that he

459
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>was very familiar with, and we'll touch more on this later,

460
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:54.319
<v Speaker 1>where he rapes Sarah and supposedly using his police belt,

461
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 1>strangles Sarah to death.

462
00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

463
00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 1>The official cause of death was from compression of the neck. Wow,

464
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:09.079
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Like it's just disgusting. I just can't

465
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:13.720
<v Speaker 1>even fathom. At what moment, you know, did she realize

466
00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>like shit, like what's happening here? And notice that she

467
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.279
<v Speaker 1>was in danger and all for what?

468
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Just because he needed to get his rocks off? Like fuck?

469
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like he just he was like a sexual predator. Really.

470
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he killed her because he didn't want to witness. Yeah,

471
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.079
<v Speaker 3>just because he couldn't jerk off himself anymore.

472
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. So at two thirty five, two thirty

473
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.599
<v Speaker 1>four in the morning, Wayne purchases drinks from a Dover

474
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>gas station. There's no way of officially knowing, but it's

475
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 1>believed that by this time he had already killed Sarah.

476
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Between three twenty two and six thirty two, Wayne is

477
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 1>captured returning to the scene of the crime a couple

478
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 1>of times, until he switches back to his rental and

479
00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>returns it around eight thirty. He then drives a considerable

480
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>distance to Sandwich, Kent to dispose of Sarah's phone in

481
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a river, before returning home at a time that made sense,

482
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 1>as though he had just ended his shift at work

483
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:21.519
<v Speaker 1>later that morning making dental appointments for his kids, like

484
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>it was just a normal fucking day. Wow, like a

485
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>real winner. See that's one thing actually that bog was

486
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.160
<v Speaker 1>my mind, that you can commit such a horrific act

487
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 1>like you're disgusting him being, and then you just go

488
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>on your day to day life, right, like you go

489
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>home to your kids, for Fox's sakes, when you just

490
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>murdered someone's kid.

491
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:46.160
<v Speaker 3>He's probably honestly happy with himself thinking he's getting away

492
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.640
<v Speaker 3>with this. He just had a fucking, in his opinion,

493
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.680
<v Speaker 3>a great fucking evening, which is just disgusting to think about.

494
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.880
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, he's just he's probably in a good mood, honestly.

495
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't want to even think about that. It

496
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 1>was later that day that Sarah was officially reported missing

497
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 1>to police after failing to meet her boyfriend, and the

498
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 1>search started the following day. On March fifth, Wing continues

499
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 1>going through the motions of his plan. He hits up

500
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 1>a gas station where he buys an empty gas can,

501
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>fills it with gas. The gas I'm sure you're imagining

502
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.559
<v Speaker 1>to burn Sarah's body. He burns her body, along with

503
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>her possessions and clothing, in an old, abandoned refrigerator so

504
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>smoke could be seen in the general area that Sarah's

505
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>body was later found taking a sip of my drink.

506
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.559
<v Speaker 3>Wow, So I wonder, like, was it reported at all

507
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 3>that fire? Was it just like, oh, there's just someone

508
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 3>burning some shit over there?

509
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't it didn't say that it was reported.

510
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it was probably reported after the fact, after

511
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 1>like details started coming out potentially, right, and it's like, oh,

512
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>well maybe oh yeah I saw that small yeah fuck

513
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>because like I mean, if I just saw like little

514
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>smoke in the yeah, unless there was like a fireband,

515
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would do anything about it.

516
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, And I mean it could be a little

517
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 3>bit different over there is to hear. I'm not too

518
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 3>sure what their normality for fire smoke on the bushes

519
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 3>or anything, or if they have like a bush where

520
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 3>people go have fires or what.

521
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 1>But here a lot of people have fires often.

522
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:33.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's it's not abnormal to sease smoke billowing up

523
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 3>from the.

524
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Bush pe even probably when there's fire bands. Yes, which

525
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 1>is disgusting. Yes, Okay, Well Sarah's body burned. He went

526
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>about his day once again, purchasing food and making a

527
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>vet appointment for his dog. Like what a literal asshole?

528
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Like I mean I've already said this, but

529
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 1>the s guy's just an asshole, and I don't think

530
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I can say it enough. He would later move her

531
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 1>body using two builders bags he had purchased, to a

532
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>near by pond in Howard's Wood. There this is where

533
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 1>her body would eventually get found.

534
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad that she did get found, though, because

535
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 3>a lot of missing women like this, they just they're

536
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 3>missing and they don't get found. Even if they get

537
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.359
<v Speaker 3>found it's years later, right, which I mean.

538
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be worse for the family that

539
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you just want closure, I think. But then I guess

540
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that you have a little bit of smedge of hope

541
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 1>if they're not found. But Hugh, that just the way

542
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>it would affect your day to day too, especially if

543
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>they're already deceased. You know.

544
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gosh, I think getting found is better than not

545
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:37.640
<v Speaker 3>getting found.

546
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, if they're dead, yes, so.

547
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, getting found is better not getting found period,

548
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 3>dead or alive.

549
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I get it. I think we're on different

550
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>pages or something.

551
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, if if there's a missing person, it's

552
00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 3>good for them to be found.

553
00:28:58.440 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Found, Okay, dead or alive?

554
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, Okay, you said if they were dead. You

555
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 3>specifically made that clarification.

556
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, I just meant because if they we're still alive,

557
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>like you'd rather them be alive. Okay, I'm not thinking

558
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 1>anything at all. Okay, where am I going with that?

559
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

560
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Basically, I'd rather them instead of just being found dead,

561
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather than just be alive. Oh yeah, right, but

562
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 1>then it might not necessarily be like alive in the

563
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>best of the situations either, So I don't know. Fuck.

564
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>We want people to be home and be safe and

565
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 1>cozy and happy.

566
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Watching Netflix with a blanket.

567
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, drinking hot cocal hells.

568
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what we want on Wicked and yes, that's

569
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:44.240
<v Speaker 3>what we're rooting for here.

570
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So on March sixth, the Wayne isn't set to

571
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>be back to work for a couple of days. He

572
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 1>phones in and reports that he's suffering from stress and

573
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 1>no longer wants to carry a gun. Something interesting with

574
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that that I should mention is not all police officers

575
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>in the UK carry guns. Did you know this?

576
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>ID?

577
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, you have to be specifically trained, which I

578
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa, because in Canada I think all police

579
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>officers have a gun. Do they not.

580
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they all generally carry a sidearm.

581
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't know if that's some I think

582
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 1>that's similar in the US too, But so I was

583
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 1>just like, wow, I had no idea. Okay, the following

584
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 1>day on March seventh, Oh my gosh, this is really

585
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>messed up. But Wayne takes his family to Hoddswood. What yes?

586
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Why so the crime actually took place on a small

587
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 1>pot of land owned by Wayne and his wife. They

588
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>owned a pot of land out there. This guy is stupid,

589
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 1>So days after he raped and murdered someone, why would

590
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>it not be a good idea to take his family

591
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>up to the site, right, Like, what an idiot? Because

592
00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>how traumatic is that going to be for your children

593
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 1>who are later going to one day learn how much

594
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.039
<v Speaker 1>of a fucking monster you are and that you did this?

595
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:09.279
<v Speaker 3>No shit, And also like, don't return to the scene

596
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:10.920
<v Speaker 3>of the crime. Don't commit a crime on your own

597
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking property. How dumb is that? Don't commit a crime

598
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 3>to begin with? But you know what I mean.

599
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if it was like one hundred

600
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>percent on his property because he did move the body, right, well,

601
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>so report said that it was, and then he moved

602
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 1>it away, but because Sarah's body was found approximate one

603
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred meters from the family's plot of land, so it's like.

604
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much that's basically his property.

605
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>But him taking his family there, he was doing that

606
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 1>for a reason, right, Yeah, because he was doing that

607
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to wipe away or to basically have an alibi of

608
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 1>why his car might have Yeah, some remnants is of

609
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that area on it. Yeah, exactly, So I mean he

610
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>was being smart, I guess. Like, Ugh, on March eighth,

611
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Wayne would call him sick for work, and on March ninth,

612
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>a very good day, Wayne would be arrested. Yes, the

613
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 1>police had been working hard piecing together Sarah's last steps,

614
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 1>and approximately seven fifty Wayne was arrested at his home

615
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 1>in deal Kent. And he must have known this was

616
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 1>coming because not even an hour earlier, he wiped all

617
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the data from his phone, but it was still linked

618
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 1>through through cell site data and the white car he

619
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>had rented, so like they still had him doing that. Like,

620
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>what an idiot? I just think everything he does as

621
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>an idiot.

622
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's just an idiot.

623
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so just you wait too until you hear the story.

624
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 1>The story he comes up with.

625
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh, God, let's hear it. Let's hear this.

626
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 1>You're going to talk about it in a minute. In

627
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a minute, you'll hear okay. But the following day, March tenth,

628
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 1>police searching Hoddswood find human remains. It took a couple

629
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.519
<v Speaker 1>of days, but the body was identified had to be

630
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 1>identified through dental record as being Sarah. Now, when Wayne

631
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.759
<v Speaker 1>was initially arrested, it was on suspicion suspicion of kidnapping.

632
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>They didn't find Sarah's body until the day the following day.

633
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>As Wayne was interviewed, he initially said he had never

634
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 1>met Sarah, had only seen photos of her on the news,

635
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 1>But he quickly changed this tune and made up quite

636
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the story.

637
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Let's hear the bullshit he fed them, the absolute bullshit.

638
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Let's hear it.

639
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 1>He claimed he was having financial problems, that a gang

640
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>of Eastern Europeans were after him and threatening him and

641
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>his family, demanding that he delivered them another girl. He

642
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.599
<v Speaker 1>said he had hired a sex worker a few weeks

643
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>prior and underpaid her, so they were demanding this of him.

644
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>So he was omitting to kidnapping Sarah and handing her

645
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>over to this gang. But that when he did so,

646
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 1>she was still alive. Yeah.

647
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 3>Fuck that.

648
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that anyone would believe that?

649
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:11.400
<v Speaker 3>No, that seems very broad, very vague, and very.

650
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Guilty because even when the police like had more questions

651
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>about it, or we're saying, okay, well do you have

652
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 1>their contact information? Like how are they reaching you? Like,

653
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't provide any of that information. Nothing.

654
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I was going to say. He has

655
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 3>no way of connecting it, no way of even being like,

656
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 3>this is the car they drove, this is what they

657
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 3>looked like, how many were there, what they talked like,

658
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 3>with the clothes they were wearing, with their haircut, nothing,

659
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 3>just very descriptive of some European dudes who wanted money.

660
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 3>So that to me sounds very much like trying to

661
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 3>make something up. The mafia is after me for money.

662
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 1>And it's almost curious. I'm curious. Did he not think

663
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to get caught? Like did he

664
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>literally think that he had this the bag? Probably he

665
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 1>he have no idea why like this, the amount of

666
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 1>cameras around.

667
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 3>Dude, he probably just assumed he was getting away with it.

668
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 3>And then the moment before when he did delete his phone,

669
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 3>like the hour before something probably tipped him off on

670
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 3>the news or whatever. He was like scrambling to make

671
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 3>shit up and try and cover his tracks.

672
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.079
<v Speaker 1>And so interesting that you said he thought he would

673
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>just get away with it because you'll hear something and

674
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I never even like put the two and two together.

675
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>But he does other shit that he gets away with,

676
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>like just easy peasy. Oh really prior to this, which

677
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about in a moment. Okay, So even with

678
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>this bogus made up story, after the discovery of Sarah's

679
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>deceased body so close to land owned by Wayne, he

680
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 1>was charged with Sarah's kidnapping and murder on June eighth, Wayne,

681
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 1>which I do like, actually pleaded guilty to the kidnapping

682
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 1>and rape of Sarah, admitting responsibility or her death.

683
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 3>That's the first fucking decent thing he's done, So he didn't.

684
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Keep making up garbage stories and let this cost a

685
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.639
<v Speaker 1>shit ton of money. He just guilty.

686
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was probably out of like his lawyer

687
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 3>telling him to do so, to try and get a

688
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 3>lesser sentence is probably why. So it wasn't out of

689
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 3>like actually admitting it. It was probably a selfish reason.

690
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, because I think there was no way he could

691
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 1>be getting out of it either. Yeah, there's nothing guilty.

692
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 3>You might get less time, that's probably all it was.

693
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh I hate that he and Sarah were complete strangers

694
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and were unknown to each other prior to her abduction.

695
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.400
<v Speaker 1>The choice of victim was random, but the attack was planned.

696
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Sarah was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

697
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>But being that she was literally just walking home and

698
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Wayne was out on the hunt, someone worded it as

699
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

700
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>And I like that because Sarah didn't do anything.

701
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's true.

702
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, So why say she was in the wrong place?

703
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>She was literally living her life walking home from an

704
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 1>evening with a friend. Yep, So fuck Wayne.

705
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 3>I like that.

706
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm just so Angryne, I'm so angry with him.

707
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Fucking Wayne.

708
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Before Wayne's official sentencing, the MET dismissed him from the

709
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 1>service effective immediately, thank.

710
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 3>You, Yeah, rightfully.

711
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah. They would also announce that lone plain clothed

712
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 1>officers would no longer be deployed.

713
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Good.

714
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>So that's good. Wayne was sentenced to a whole life order,

715
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>with Lord Justice full forward, justifying the severity of the

716
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 1>punishment by saying that Wayne's use of his position as

717
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a police officer today detained Sarah was the vital factor,

718
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>which in my view makes the seriousness of this case

719
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:04.199
<v Speaker 1>exceptionally high one hundred because I don't necessarily think he

720
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 1>would have got in this whole life order. But the

721
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 1>judge thankfully was like a reasonable person and gave it

722
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 1>to him good. The judge remarked there had been significant

723
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>planning and premeditation. Wayne had long plan to carry out

724
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a violent sexual assault on a yet to be selected

725
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 1>victim who he intended to coherse into custody, noted the judge,

726
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>at least a month traveling to London from Deal where

727
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>he lived, to research how to best carry out this crime,

728
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 1>like he studied, Like it wasn't just a split decision

729
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I want.

730
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 3>To do this, And for that much studying, he couldn't

731
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 3>come up with any fucking better shit to alibi, like nothing,

732
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.239
<v Speaker 3>no backup plans other than oh the muff use after

733
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 3>me for money? Like what the fuck?

734
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, technically he should have, but I'm glad

735
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>he's dumb.

736
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's real dumb. Fuck you, Wayne, I know, fucking Wayne.

737
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm not going to go into a ton of detail,

738
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 1>but there are some some more noteworthy things to discuss,

739
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>first being that there may have been some red flag

740
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>incidents involving Wayne that were not handled or investigated properly.

741
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>The incidents being indecent exposure incidents. Oh shit, one in

742
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen and one just days prior to him kidnapping Sarah.

743
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Really they were incidents that involved Wayne driving around his

744
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>car wearing nothing from the waist down, so like just pantiless,

745
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and the most recent one involving him going through the

746
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>drive throughout McDonald's like this, are you kidding me? No,

747
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what he did. It's disgusting.

748
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 3>And the police force he worked for didn't do anything

749
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 3>about that.

750
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>No, Like it was found out that it was a

751
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 1>police officer base connected to Wayne, and yeah, like nothing

752
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>was done.

753
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Lay fuck.

754
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.800
<v Speaker 1>So if they had investigated this properly, he may not

755
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 1>have been available to commit the crime against Sarah, right

756
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>like because that one had just happened. Wow, Like I

757
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>think that's almost you could go to jail for that

758
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>probably assume like that's a crime, Like you are making

759
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>some poor p probably little teenager at McDonald's, Like see your.

760
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Wiener, see your erectile dysfunction, disgusting, disgusting, like I just

761
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even imagine.

762
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I actually worked at Tim Horton's.

763
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>And if I saw shit like that, just seeing old

764
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:41.880
<v Speaker 3>man's wiener in the drive through.

765
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I I actually don't know what I would do. Quit, Okay,

766
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 1>I would hope you'd quit if you saw that shit.

767
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Now though, as being like an adult, I feel like

768
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 1>you do such different things. And if you saw it

769
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 1>as like hot coffee, as like a fifteen year old, right, yeah,

770
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. I don't know, okay, And this

771
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is disturbing. He had been nicknamed by his colleagues at

772
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>work the rapist.

773
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Are you serious?

774
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 1>For the way he made female colleagues feel what the fuck?

775
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>So A like that's a terrible nickname, and be like,

776
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck could a police officer be nicknamed something

777
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>so horrific?

778
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 3>No kidding. If you have someone on your force nicknamed

779
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>the rapist something needs and is going through drive throughs

780
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:34.559
<v Speaker 3>and McDonald's pantless and having indecent exposure like incidents, you

781
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 3>probably should do something.

782
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. And this just came into my brain. I

783
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>hadn't even written in here. I forgot to pute it

784
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 1>in there, But there was something too about a sex

785
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 1>worker had come into a police station at one point,

786
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, claiming like that Wayne didn't pay her enough

787
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 1>or something. Okay, like just oh he just is Oh,

788
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>he just should not be in the position that he

789
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 1>was in, Like it's disgusting. Wow, Okay. So, as you

790
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>can imagine, the police faced a massive amount of blacklash

791
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 1>from the public for many reasons following the claise. The

792
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 1>public deserved answers why was a police officer able to

793
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.239
<v Speaker 1>continue working after incidents of a decent exposure were reported?

794
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Women were also living in fear Sarah was just walking home.

795
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 1>In September, the met stated that people should consider shouting

796
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>out to a passerby, or running into a house, or

797
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>knocking on a door, or waving a bus down, or

798
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>calling nine nine nine if they ever felt uncomfortable when

799
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>they were being stopped by a single police officer. But

800
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>this was highly criticized because could that not just be

801
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>have people facing charges of resisting arrest. They literally put

802
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that out there, do these things.

803
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 3>So basically, if you feel uncomfortable from a police officer, run, Yeah,

804
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 3>what's a police officer going to do?

805
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that is just the most terrible idea to put

806
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>out there, ever.

807
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 3>That escalates the situation, that now puts you under further

808
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 3>arrest and more like, oh my god. The list goes on.

809
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.599
<v Speaker 1>So this is such a new case and I hope

810
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>as it's examined that it brings positive changes that make

811
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>people feel more safe on the streets of the UK

812
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and safer on the streets of the world, because, if anything,

813
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>this should be done for Sarah.

814
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I do want to say one note on that police

815
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 3>statement though. Sure they said that if you feel uncomfortable

816
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 3>in a single police officer arrests or situation, that you

817
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 3>should do those things. Correct. They no longer have single

818
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 3>police officers in civilian clothing, yes, so that's that's the

819
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 3>catch there, But it could be.

820
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Someone in uniform, right, If it was one one police

821
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>officer in uniform, you could do those things.

822
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, I can understand. Okay, if you're approached by

823
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 3>a single police officer and civilian clothes or someone claiming

824
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 3>to be then yeah, okay, that makes more sense. But yeah,

825
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.360
<v Speaker 3>if it's a uniformed officer, yeah not so much.

826
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And just like, imagine how awful that would make because

827
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was one hopefully one bad person, right, yes,

828
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.519
<v Speaker 1>but then there was probably many people on the force

829
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 1>that were good.

830
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 3>So it's just how one bad apple? Right yeah? But however,

831
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 3>if it is one bad person on the force, okay, yeah, sure, however,

832
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 3>how many people on the force were nicknaming him the rapist?

833
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm not doing anything about it. I know

834
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 3>how many people on the force knew about his indecent

835
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 3>exposure and just let him walk. So is it just

836
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 3>one bad apple or is it an entire system that's broken?

837
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And you know, I didn't I was going to

838
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 1>touch like a lot on all this stuff. There was

839
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>way more. We could probably even have another podcast about

840
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 1>things because there was also memorials and things that were

841
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>set up for Sarah and COVID nineteen was rapid at

842
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that time, right, very much so. And so the police

843
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>also had gotten themselves in trouble because they sometimes had

844
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to break up these things and it was just like

845
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>just like a complete shit show.

846
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, I could see that, And.

847
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 1>So I just hope that something that things are examined,

848
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.559
<v Speaker 1>that procedures are examined, that just like everything is examined,

849
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and that positive changes can be made out of this.

850
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I agreed so that's really all I'm going to say

851
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<v Speaker 1>about it. And with that, I wanted to read a

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<v Speaker 1>piece from Sarah's mother's impact statement that pulls us off.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sarah went missing, we suffered days of agony, not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing where she was or what had happened to her. Then,

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00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 1>when Sarah's burnt remains were found, we spent two terrible

856
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.320
<v Speaker 1>days waiting for tests to show how she had died,

857
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 1>fearing that she had been set alight before she was dead.

858
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<v Speaker 1>The thought was appalling. Burning her body was the final insult.

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<v Speaker 1>It meant we could never see her sweet face and

860
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<v Speaker 1>never say goodbye. Our lives will never be the same.

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<v Speaker 1>We would be a family of five, but now we

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<v Speaker 1>are four. Her death leaves a yawning chasm in our

863
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>lives that cannot be filled. I yearn for her. I

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00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 1>remember all the lovely things about her. She was caring,

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<v Speaker 1>she was funny, She was clever, but she was good

866
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>at practical things too. She was a beautiful dancer. She

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00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 1>was a wonderful daughter. She was always there there to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>to advise, or simply to share with the minutia of

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00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the day. And she was also a strongly principled young

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00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 1>one who knew right from wrong and who lived by

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00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 1>those values. She was a good person, she had purpose

872
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 1>to her life.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, that's a really well articulated statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there was. It was longer than that, and

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<v Speaker 1>so there was an impact statement from the mom, the dad,

876
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and the sister and they're all just like gut wrenching,

877
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<v Speaker 1>Like I kind of wish I could pt them all

878
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<v Speaker 1>in there, but I don't know. And that's that. May

879
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.599
<v Speaker 1>we light a candle and Stayar's honor and may she

880
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 1>rest in peace. And fuck Wayne, I know he's disgusting. Wow,

881
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And I just yeah, this it's just like because I

882
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<v Speaker 1>think this story is so new too, it's like relatable

883
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.559
<v Speaker 1>because it's like COVID is still a thing, and it's

884
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>just like she's young, and I don't know, it's just

885
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>oh my goodness, it hurts.

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00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.880
<v Speaker 3>It does because I could see someone falling victim to that,

887
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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, COVID rules change every day. Oh yeah,

888
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 3>So maybe there is a curfew, maybe there isn't. Maybe

889
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>you aren't supposed to be out. You don't know, and

890
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 3>you're just trying to do the right thing, and law

891
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 3>enforcement is someone somewhere just takes advantage.

892
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Because honestly, when COVID first started, I was one hundred

893
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.760
<v Speaker 1>percent one of those people that would watch the news

894
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 1>releases and shit, yeah, so I knew what was going on.

895
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<v Speaker 1>But then there came a time where I just stopped

896
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<v Speaker 1>and I have absolutely no idea half the time what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because it's been going on for two years, So.

899
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<v Speaker 1>If something like that happened, I don't even I mean,

900
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 1>you'd be like, holy shit, like what did I do?

901
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Like you probably questioned a bit in your mind, but

902
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>like this person is a cop and or a police officer,

903
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 1>so like you're going to follow, like what can you

904
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<v Speaker 1>do resist arrest?

905
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, and there's a whole psychological thing going on when

906
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Speaker 3>you're talking to an authority figure. If there's been studies

907
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 3>and everything done on this. I can't remember the exact

908
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.079
<v Speaker 3>term on the effect or whatever it is, but you

909
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 3>have a complete right to remain silent. We all know

910
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 3>the right to remain silent. Do you ever remain silent

911
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 3>to an officer? No, They ask you where you were,

912
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing all the time. You feel like you

913
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 3>need to give this information because it's an authority figure.

914
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<v Speaker 3>You feel like you need to participate you need to

915
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<v Speaker 3>divulge the information.

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<v Speaker 1>So and you're almost probably uncomfortable too.

917
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well then that's the thing.

918
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<v Speaker 3>You're uncomfortable and you feel like you should be doing

919
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<v Speaker 3>this because it's an authority figure and you have someone

920
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<v Speaker 3>who takes advantage of that whole psychological situation. It's fucked

921
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 3>and a time.

922
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<v Speaker 1>When literally everything else is so confusing.

923
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<v Speaker 3>Too, so it just makes it even worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just horrible. So anyway, I will post a

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<v Speaker 1>photo of Sarah like, she's just like beautiful. She looks

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<v Speaker 1>so young for her age, I feel like, and yeah,

927
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<v Speaker 1>and you can let us know what you think of

928
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the story, but you're probably gonna think it's shit.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a shit story, but you did a really

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<v Speaker 3>good job telling it, so well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>If you guys want to follow us over on our

933
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<v Speaker 3>social media so you can find us on Instagram, Facebook,

934
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.000
<v Speaker 3>All our links are down below Patreon. Of course, we

935
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 3>got our website. Hit us in a comment, give us

936
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<v Speaker 3>a review. We'd love to hear from you guys, talk

937
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<v Speaker 3>to us. It is us that responds, so yeah, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for being here, and of course, as always, stay

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<v Speaker 3>wicked
