Speaker 1: All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Peepe on
Speaker 1: AM five to seventy LA Sports Next Hour. Chief operating
Speaker 1: officer of the Rams, Kevin Demoff will join the program.
Speaker 1: And the Rams spent time in Hawaii and they are
Speaker 1: trying to build their brand globally, and Kevin will be
Speaker 1: on and we will talk about that. But now it's
Speaker 1: been much too long, so we welcome on the host
Speaker 1: of the Clipper pregame halftime in postgame show. He's got
Speaker 1: a YouTube show about the Clippers as well. It's the
Speaker 1: Saultier Adam Auscelin.
Speaker 2: Adam. How are you.
Speaker 3: Helloja, guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 2: How are we feeling? Helloh? Helloa? Do you.
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: You got off the Rams there? Why not?
Speaker 2: So? What have you been doing? Adham?
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough, you know well, First of all,
Speaker 1: this season is way too long. I mean, how long
Speaker 1: ago did the Clipper season end? Like six months ago?
Speaker 3: You ranting about this like every two weeks is way
Speaker 3: too long.
Speaker 2: Fred.
Speaker 3: This is like your number one gripe, your big crusade.
Speaker 3: All the NBA Season's way too long. I feel like
Speaker 3: you hit on this every couple of weeks, Adam.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you something. Now, you watched the game
Speaker 2: last night, right, Yeah, I watched the game last night.
Speaker 1: Of course you watched the game. Didn't seem a little
Speaker 1: anti climactic?
Speaker 3: You mean because the best player on the Indiana Pacers
Speaker 3: tours Achilles and it kind of took the air out
Speaker 3: of the building and it was heartbreaking and gut wrenching,
Speaker 3: and it, yeah, kind of put a damper in a
Speaker 3: dark cloud on what could have been maybe the greatest
Speaker 3: Game seven ever. It felt like it was.
Speaker 2: At first of all, No, it might not have been
Speaker 2: the greatest Game seven ever.
Speaker 3: It felt like it, Fred, It felt like a game.
Speaker 2: It was a one point lead or two point lead
Speaker 2: going into halftime. Halftime, What do you mean when it
Speaker 2: when every one of the games, every one of these
Speaker 2: games has been pretty epic, yes, right, and Fred.
Speaker 3: Most of the time Game sevens are like knocked down,
Speaker 3: drag out fights that end in the seventies. Remember Lakers
Speaker 3: versus Celtics and twenty ten. They can be really ugly.
Speaker 3: This game didn't feel like that. There was some well
Speaker 3: played basketball out there, but unfortunately it was by the
Speaker 3: fact that Tyrese Haliburt and towards Achilles.
Speaker 2: Who are you saying it wasn't gonna be one of
Speaker 2: those exciting finishes for it. Well, I don't know, Adam
Speaker 2: goes Ever, I think ever was a bit over.
Speaker 3: I said, might have been. Who knows this was. This
Speaker 3: was one of the greatest NBA playoffs ever. That's just facts.
Speaker 3: All the series from front to back, from the first
Speaker 3: round to the NBA Finals, all the game winners, the
Speaker 3: series that went seven games, the amount of them like
Speaker 3: this was epic, and it felt like the unstoppable force
Speaker 3: versus the immovable object in this NBA Finals, where I
Speaker 3: had okay See winning in five or six games and
Speaker 3: Indiana said, hell no, we're taking this thing to seven.
Speaker 3: And they looked very comfortable early on as Tyrese Haliburton
Speaker 3: hit three three pointers within the first six minutes. Yeah, Fred,
Speaker 3: take that in your pipe, smoke it.
Speaker 2: Take that rid. Yeah. Every time everyone counted Indiana out,
Speaker 2: they found a way to clout back in and surprise people,
Speaker 2: which is why this whole thing went to game seven.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think most people didn't thought okay See
Speaker 2: was gonna run through them. It's going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: one of those gentlemen's sweeps or four to two or whatever.
Speaker 2: It may be, but the Pacers forced the game seven,
Speaker 2: and it would have been Yeah, it would have been
Speaker 2: an epic Game seven had haliburt and I got hurt.
Speaker 3: The hell Fred, you asked me if I watched the
Speaker 3: game last night? Did you watch the game last night?
Speaker 3: Did you watch the series at all? Or because there
Speaker 3: was two small markets you said, nah, not good enough
Speaker 3: for me, that's beneath.
Speaker 1: Me, Nicks, I actually watched, yes, Adam, I watch all right. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw the game last night, and I watched a
Speaker 1: lot of the playoffs. For whatever reason, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: get excited. I'm sorry, I'm being honest. How I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ye that I don't know, And maybe you're right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm more of a home guy, and if the
Speaker 1: Lakers or Clippers are in it, I'm gonna be into
Speaker 1: it like playoffs. Maybe if the Kings are in it,
Speaker 1: I'm more into it. That could be the case.
Speaker 3: It was a fascinating series to me because the magical
Speaker 3: run the Indiana Pacers were on. I didn't see anything
Speaker 3: like it before. Guys, you want to talk about the
Speaker 3: whole is greater than some of its parts. In a
Speaker 3: league that is driven by superstars and people were still
Speaker 3: debating as Tyres Halbert and even a superstar is their
Speaker 3: best player? Even a superstar, how are they doing this
Speaker 3: right now? He has a Robert Hoary career like run
Speaker 3: in one playoffs. When it comes to clutch shots. He
Speaker 3: hit clutch shots in each and every series. Huge, big
Speaker 3: time three pointers, big time comebacks. The Indiana Pacers, it
Speaker 3: looked like they were Cinderella, and I thought they had
Speaker 3: a coin flip chance of winning on the road against
Speaker 3: OKCE in Game seven. This would have been if they
Speaker 3: had won this series, the Indiana Pacers, We'd be talking
Speaker 3: about this forever. This was New York Giants versus the Patriots.
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.
Speaker 2: Oh, New York Giants versus the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Guys, the thunder wered plus seven excuse me, minus seven
Speaker 3: hundred favorites. You'd have to bet so seven to one odds,
Speaker 3: like you'd have to bet one hundred bucks or seven
Speaker 3: hundred bucks just to win one hundred. They were huge
Speaker 3: favorites in this series, and Indiana was doing the exact
Speaker 3: same thing against them that they had done throughout this
Speaker 3: entire playoff run.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Adam, what do you think about the trade with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3: I think the Houston Rockets fleeced him. Freddy, I think
Speaker 3: the Phoenix Suns now maybe they just didn't have a
Speaker 3: better offer out there, and that could very well be
Speaker 3: the case. Once Kevin Durant says, hey either want Houston
Speaker 3: or Miami or San Antonio. I won't go to Minnesota,
Speaker 3: it kind of limits your options. And they wanted to
Speaker 3: get it done before the draft on Wednesday, so it
Speaker 3: put them in a corner a little bit to have
Speaker 3: to make a deal. They weren't bargaining from a position
Speaker 3: of strength, you could say, and maybe they just had
Speaker 3: to take the best offer. But to me, for them
Speaker 3: not to get Jabari Smith Junior out of it, Tarry Eason, Reed, Shepherd,
Speaker 3: Amn Thompson, she Goon, They they didn't get. They didn't
Speaker 3: get Cam Whitmore. They didn't get their two first round
Speaker 3: picks back that Houston, oh, that Houston got from them
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago from Phoenix that would be
Speaker 3: very valuable to the Suns. They got the tenth pick
Speaker 3: in this draft. They got Dylan Brooks. I like that,
Speaker 3: but Jalen Green is a complete wild card, and I
Speaker 3: think the Houston Rockets wanted to get rid of him because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened to him, Adam? I mean, because at
Speaker 2: what two years ago, he was about to be the
Speaker 2: toast of the league and a new kid on the
Speaker 2: block and all these things and all all the hype,
Speaker 2: and it feels like he fell off a cliff.
Speaker 3: He just has I think a really low floor. His
Speaker 3: ceiling may be high who he could be at his
Speaker 3: very best, but he has games and we saw it
Speaker 3: in that first round series when Houston was the two
Speaker 3: seed against Golden State and they lost and seven games
Speaker 3: where he's out there going two for twenty, like he
Speaker 3: had one good game where he scored thirty points and
Speaker 3: outside of that he was miserable. He is a streaky shooter,
Speaker 3: He is a chucker. He is an inefficient player. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I'm giving up on him because he's only
Speaker 3: twenty three years of age and with athleticism and potential
Speaker 3: like that. I get it. The explosiveness is there. He's
Speaker 3: a very exciting player. But I think the Houston Rockets
Speaker 3: were saying, we got all these other young guys that
Speaker 3: have higher floors out there, We'd rather give them a
Speaker 3: longer runway to develop, and if Jalen Green is out
Speaker 3: there taking twenty shots per night, that's taking away usage
Speaker 3: and reps from these other young guys. I think they
Speaker 3: wanted to move him and to get Kevin Durant out
Speaker 3: of this. You can say he's thirty seven cool or
Speaker 3: he's going to be by the time this season starts. Guys,
Speaker 3: he's still one of the top fifteen players in the league.
Speaker 3: He was one of the most efficient players in the
Speaker 3: league on jump shots. Of anyone who took five hundred
Speaker 3: jump shots last season, he shot five percent better on
Speaker 3: those shots than the next best guy, which was SGA
Speaker 3: Like he is trom smendously efficient. Still, he's I think
Speaker 3: going to age. Well. We thought he'd slow down after
Speaker 3: the Achilles he responded better than anyone in NBA history.
Speaker 2: After that.
Speaker 3: He has still been elite. And he's exactly what they
Speaker 3: needed because their offense was an absolute mess in that
Speaker 3: playoff series against the Golden State Warriors. So their defense
Speaker 3: is so good it kept him minute and they're still
Speaker 3: going to be really good on that end. But they
Speaker 3: need someone who's much more reliable on the offensive end
Speaker 3: that can just go and get a bucket because Kd's
Speaker 3: thirty seven, but you know he's not old enough to
Speaker 3: where he's starting to shrink yet he's still seven feet
Speaker 3: toll and can shoot over the top of you. Even
Speaker 3: if he can't get by you as much, he can
Speaker 3: still get clean looks out there. They did very well
Speaker 3: not giving up those draft picks that are that were
Speaker 3: formerly owned by the Phoenix Suns back to them and
Speaker 3: not giving up one of the young players that they
Speaker 3: really cover it. And now they have this opportunity where
Speaker 3: maybe Kad signs a one plus one an extension of
Speaker 3: two years after this one, so he's got three more
Speaker 3: years left in the league, play till he's forty or whatever,
Speaker 3: say he plays three or four more years. Well after that,
Speaker 3: they get his money off the books. They still have
Speaker 3: their picks, and these young guys who are only like
Speaker 3: twenty three now are going to be starting the prime of.
Speaker 2: Their career and ready to go.
Speaker 3: So the Houston Rockets are set up for a nice
Speaker 3: little window here where they can contend, and they can
Speaker 3: contend immediately. I think they're one of the more talented
Speaker 3: teams in the league now.
Speaker 2: And as for Phoenix, they just don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Do they you know about that situation, fred I gotta
Speaker 3: give you credit. You called out DeAndre eight and the
Speaker 3: number one pick in the draft a few years back
Speaker 3: before anybody did, and you were right about it. And
Speaker 3: while he's not the you know, he's been gone for
Speaker 3: a couple of seasons and they still just haven't been
Speaker 3: able to figure it out. They have some dysfunction, Adam.
Speaker 2: The Bradley Beal dial just killed them. Well, that's that
Speaker 2: terrible decision.
Speaker 3: The KD move is understandable. That's kind of like the Clippers,
Speaker 3: and maybe we'll get into this a little bit. Making
Speaker 3: the move they did, trading all the picks and SGA
Speaker 3: to bring in and Paul George. It's understandable why they
Speaker 3: did it. Everybody said it was the right move at
Speaker 3: the time. Nobody questioned the KD move for the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 3: The one they questioned a first guest was Bradley Beal
Speaker 3: because he's too similar. There's a skill set overlap with
Speaker 3: him KD and Devin Booker, and in the bad ways too,
Speaker 3: where he's not a great defender. On the other HANDE great, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm being kind a poor defender and a no trade
Speaker 3: clause he and Lebron James are the only two guys
Speaker 3: with a no trade clause in the league, and now
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to like bully him to make him
Speaker 3: wave his no trade clause to go somewhere else, because
Speaker 3: if they do hold on a Jalen Green now and
Speaker 3: they want to pair him with Booker, that's definitely not
Speaker 3: gonna work with Bradley Beal. That will be even worse
Speaker 3: than they were this season. If your three best players
Speaker 3: all don't play great defense and all are just similar
Speaker 3: guards that are one of them's explosive, the other two
Speaker 3: are jumpshooters, and Beale and Booker, you can't win like that.
Speaker 3: Their defense was twenty seven this past year, and their offense,
Speaker 3: quite frankly, wasn't good enough even though they got plenty
Speaker 3: of games from KD and Booker. So they have more
Speaker 3: issues than just talent, like they didn't play well together.
Speaker 3: And then that story comes out there were fistfights in
Speaker 3: the locker room from DeMarcus Cousins. Kevin Urant went on
Speaker 3: Twitter argued about that, said, it wasn't true. Who knows,
Speaker 3: but Phoenix is in a real bad place. But they
Speaker 3: do have the tenth pick in the draft. That may
Speaker 3: be the best thing they got from the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 3: We'll see our reserve full judgment on the trade after
Speaker 3: seeing who they draft. And by the way, this trade
Speaker 3: can't be fully consummated till July sixth, I think, so
Speaker 3: there's a possibility another team gets involved, it turns into
Speaker 3: a three way trade. Maybe these aren't all the pieces
Speaker 3: and players being moved yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that, And ownership is an issue in
Speaker 2: Phoenix as we've seen over the last few years, and
Speaker 2: some really crazy decisions made by that ownership group. What
Speaker 2: did you make of the Walters buying the Bus family
Speaker 2: out of the Lakers in that whole transition after the
Speaker 2: Lakers family and the Bus family and Jeanie owning this
Speaker 2: team for over forty years now has relinquished that. What
Speaker 2: did you think when you first heard that.
Speaker 3: I was a little bit surprised like everybody else, But
Speaker 3: he already had a percentage of ownership with the group,
Speaker 3: and people thought if they ever did sell it would
Speaker 3: be to Mark Walter.
Speaker 2: Now that was the thing, right that a lot of
Speaker 2: people didn't realize that he had bought the Anstooth Group's
Speaker 2: percentage of a few years back. And that he already
Speaker 2: was involved, and then and then everybody found out that Okay,
Speaker 2: he already owned some and now he's got the majority share.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that story kind of went under the radar. At
Speaker 3: least it got buried and we forgot about it. Both
Speaker 3: the success he's had with the Dodgers. I know Lakers
Speaker 3: fans are ecstatic about this because they have felt like
Speaker 3: we're a little mom and pop's type place for a
Speaker 3: team that has all this history and tradition, and we're
Speaker 3: not competing in the ways we should be able to
Speaker 3: as a big market as one of the preeminent franchises
Speaker 3: in all of sports. In the modern NBA now, of
Speaker 3: course it's not the same. There isn't the availability to
Speaker 3: go out and just bring in Otani and bring in
Speaker 3: everybody like the Dodgers have and create a super team
Speaker 3: like that because the second apron. A lot of teams
Speaker 3: view it as just a hard cap now because it's
Speaker 3: so restrictive in the NBA, like it is so punitive
Speaker 3: with some of the things that can take away from
Speaker 3: you with first round picks or being moved to the
Speaker 3: back of the line, or not being able to aggregate trades.
Speaker 3: So you got two guys that make thirty million, you
Speaker 3: can't trade them for one guy that makes sixty million.
Speaker 3: It makes things very difficult, so teams do try to
Speaker 3: stay below it. And by the way, the two teams
Speaker 3: that were just in the NBA Finals were both below
Speaker 3: the first apron in Indiana and the OKC Thunder. The
Speaker 3: Lakers have been operating under the second as of late,
Speaker 3: where I think a lot of teams are trying to
Speaker 3: find that sweet spot to contend. But this at least
Speaker 3: gives them the ability to be on par with everybody
Speaker 3: else when it comes to the periphery stuff, which does matter.
Speaker 3: I'll give you two examples that if they had Mark
Speaker 3: Walter during these times, I think it would have gone differently. One,
Speaker 3: Alex Caruso doesn't end up leaving the Lakers now two
Speaker 3: time NBA champion after winning last night with okay see,
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have happened because they made a decision between
Speaker 3: paying him or Taylor Horton Tucker, which I know looks
Speaker 3: really bad now. They could have paid both of them.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to dip into the luxury tax so much.
Speaker 3: That's what this new ownership group can do for them.
Speaker 3: And then also they low balled coach Lou Tron Lou,
Speaker 3: and they didn't want to pay him as much as
Speaker 3: the market said he should have been paid for a
Speaker 3: coach that had won a championship, and they want to
Speaker 3: choose who would be his assistant coaches. Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Is the difference who you have in the front office.
Speaker 3: There's no salary cap there. You're scouting department facilities. You
Speaker 3: can improve in all these little ways on the margins
Speaker 3: that do make a difference over time, and I think
Speaker 3: that's where the Lakers now have a much better advantage.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, they're just gonna They're going
Speaker 2: to invest in infrastructure. That's really the bottom line, infrastructure.
Speaker 2: They'll have more scouts, they'll have more analytics people, They'll
Speaker 2: they'll have more front office personnel. We made the point
Speaker 2: now the Clippers haven't won, but Steve Bomber has done
Speaker 2: it right. I mean, he's put together a top notch organization.
Speaker 2: They just haven't been able to win yet. The Lakers
Speaker 2: need to try to construct an organization like Steve Bombers.
Speaker 2: Would you agree? I would.
Speaker 3: I don't want it to happen because I want the
Speaker 3: Clippers to have the advantage but yes they should. They
Speaker 3: could mirror the other team in town and the way
Speaker 3: they do it. Steve Bambers spared no expense in areas
Speaker 3: where he's able to now. The reason they brought on
Speaker 3: the second apron is because of Steve Balmer and Joe
Speaker 3: Lacob who are paying one hundred million dollars in luxury
Speaker 3: tax every year and just didn't care about it because
Speaker 3: they have the b they have. They they're the big spenders.
Speaker 3: I think Steve Balmer is the fifth richest person in
Speaker 3: the world at this point. He's still the richest sports
Speaker 3: owner in North America for sure North American sports. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they could pattern themselves a little bit after what the
Speaker 3: Clippers have been able to do. They just brought in
Speaker 3: Moniu McNair to their front office from the Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 3: That's a whole nother story with what happened there up
Speaker 3: in NorCal. But he has always paid coaches. Jeff Van
Speaker 3: Gundy was brought in this past year as the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: He did a great job for them. They've been on
Speaker 3: top of the analytics. There was a time the Lakers
Speaker 3: were so far behind around twenty ten, and the analytics
Speaker 3: department stuff like they relied so much on being able
Speaker 3: to bring in superstars for so long and win that way,
Speaker 3: where it felt like the rest of the league was
Speaker 3: a farm system for the Lakers and hashtag future Laker.
Speaker 3: If you have a player that's really good and young,
Speaker 3: he'll eventually end up with the Lakers. That's not the
Speaker 3: case anymore. They're not just going to be able to
Speaker 3: bring in everybody.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I know that's wild to say after they got Luka Dancic,
Speaker 3: but typically that is an outlier. At this point, uh,
Speaker 3: the Lakers are looking towards the future where there's more
Speaker 3: of a level playing field, there's more parody. Just look
Speaker 3: at the NBA finals to small markets. This is the
Speaker 3: way the NBA has been going. So all those teams
Speaker 3: in small markets who have been doing things on the margins,
Speaker 3: on the edges the right way to try to hang
Speaker 3: with the big ball clubs and the big markets. Like,
Speaker 3: you have to fight back against that. Now if you're
Speaker 3: the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Adam, NBA draft coming up? Your thoughts on that? Where
Speaker 2: are the Lakers? Where the Clippers? And you know, is
Speaker 2: there is there? I mean, obviously Cooper Flag is going
Speaker 2: to be you know the guy, but is this a
Speaker 2: strong draft class? And where do the Lakers and Clippers fall.
Speaker 3: I will not pretend to be a draft expert because
Speaker 3: I get frustrated around this time of the year, and uh,
Speaker 3: I think I would say, k Fig is your man
Speaker 3: for this. He was one before anybody else pointed out
Speaker 3: how good Sga was. I remember here saying that, oh
Speaker 3: this was the pick, this was the right pick. And
Speaker 3: remember he went twelfth. And by the way, he was
Speaker 3: originally drafted by the Charlotte Hornets, so it was them
Speaker 3: who traded him originally, not the Clippers. Blamed them for
Speaker 3: making the bad decision they swapped with the Clippers, drafting
Speaker 3: Miles Bridges at twelve Sga at eleven. But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say this, when it comes to this draft, it feels
Speaker 3: like because of Nil, a lot of these guys that
Speaker 3: were going to be mid to late round picks in
Speaker 3: the first round elected to stay in college because they
Speaker 3: could actually make more money. So it feels like there's
Speaker 3: a steep drop off around pick number ten. Now, the
Speaker 3: top of the draft is obviously loaded with Ron Harper's son,
Speaker 3: obviously with Cooper Flag, but after that things could get
Speaker 3: a little bit murky because there's all this stuff with
Speaker 3: Ace Bailey and his representation and not working out with
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and who's gonna take him.
Speaker 3: He apparently won to be the guy right away and
Speaker 3: be able to play and put up as many shots
Speaker 3: as he wants to. So I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: of uncertainty, and I always go back to this, guys,
Speaker 3: but I have done extensive researchers just what a crapshoot
Speaker 3: the NBA draft is over the years. And I remember
Speaker 3: pulling the numbers from two thousand and six to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: So over a ten year period here you're talking six
Speaker 3: hundred players drafted. Only five percent of those players became
Speaker 3: All Stars, and only over that time of the top
Speaker 3: ten picks, twenty five percent of those players became All Stars.
Speaker 3: So remember that when on Draft night, on the Evil
Speaker 3: four Letter wherever you're consuming your draft coverage, when they're
Speaker 3: acting like, oh, this player is going to be so
Speaker 3: great in the league, it is an absolute crap shoot.
Speaker 3: You have no idea what you're getting. You could go
Speaker 3: back to any draft and see how teams screwed up
Speaker 3: by taking this player before you know, somebody like Tyreese
Speaker 3: Halliburton went or somebody like SGA went. I mean Alex
Speaker 3: Trusso went undrafted. Uh, TJ mcjr won, lu Dort went undrafted.
Speaker 3: TJ went undrafted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: How many of these guys in this NBA final went late?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even Warner was like five six guys that
Speaker 2: every year that you know, okay, that that they may
Speaker 2: be real, but other than that, it is a crap shoot,
Speaker 2: which is why it was ridiculous all the Hooplin fodder
Speaker 2: over Bronny going fifty to fifth in the draft for
Speaker 2: the Lakers. It's like, oh, it's such a big deal.
Speaker 2: They wasted this. No, they didn't waste It's all a
Speaker 2: crap shoot, especially especially when you get to the second
Speaker 2: round you don't know who's who.
Speaker 3: Well, you remember we did a show about that and
Speaker 3: we looked back over the last ten years of pick
Speaker 3: fifty five's in the NBA draft where Bronny went. There's
Speaker 3: one guy remaining in the league. That guy, that guy
Speaker 3: Aaron Wiggins of the Oklahoma City Thunder. But it does
Speaker 3: tell you one guy one left. We're talking Indiana took
Speaker 3: somebody at pick fifty five I think two years ago.
Speaker 4: He's already out of the league.
Speaker 3: Like it's just an imperfect science. It is so difficult.
Speaker 3: All the scouts, all the front office guys that do
Speaker 3: this for a living can't figure it out. If you're
Speaker 3: batting three hundred in the draft, it's just like in baseball,
Speaker 3: you're doing alright, Like you're failing seventy percent of the time,
Speaker 3: and that's looked at is strong. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: get too far into it. The Clippers have pick number
Speaker 3: thirty and then pick fifty one. The Lakers, I believe,
Speaker 3: just have a second round pick unless they trade into
Speaker 3: the first round too. So whoever they end up picking,
Speaker 3: I'll do a deep dive afterwards. But I'm just not
Speaker 3: interested in going through the fine tooth comb everybody. That
Speaker 3: could be a possibility in this draft for teams I'm
Speaker 3: interested in because most of the time in the mounts
Speaker 3: to nothing.
Speaker 2: All right, Adam, will you amount to something? Every time?
Speaker 2: I love it. We appreciate it. Bring the energy, bring
Speaker 2: the flavor, Adam, I love it.
Speaker 3: I really thought I set you up there, Fred, speaking
Speaker 3: of things that amount to nothing. Thanks for joining us here.
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Speaker 2: guy either. No, you know, all right, let's talk about
Speaker 2: this college World Series LSU Coastal Carolina. So they're playing
Speaker 2: the second of three. By the way, LSU wins. Anyway,
Speaker 2: you are, how many pitches into the game was it.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember maybe ten, three, maybe three or five?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh no, no, it was ten. There
Speaker 2: was ten.
Speaker 1: So the manager of Coastal Carolina, his name or head
Speaker 1: coach in this scenario would be Kevin Schnall. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Kevin Snall in the first inning ten pitches in. I
Speaker 1: think he started complaining at three, but by the time
Speaker 1: I got to ten, he had enough and he was
Speaker 1: complaining about balls and strikes, and apparently the played umpire
Speaker 1: was struggling, which is shocking because if you look at
Speaker 1: major league games, it happens all the time. And the
Speaker 1: played umpire, Angel Compos used to be a major league umpire.
Speaker 1: So he's got the play College World Series, Yes, comes out.
Speaker 2: Set that up again, Fred, the home plate umpire used
Speaker 2: to be a major league umpire. Right, you would think
Speaker 2: that he has an understanding and how things can get heated,
Speaker 2: how to handle, you know, an emotional coach. But go ahead,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Angel Compos has been there and in the majors.
Speaker 1: He was done in twenty fourteen. Some thought he had
Speaker 1: a history of vote reacting when he was a big
Speaker 1: league Ever, yeah, there's a reason why he's not in
Speaker 1: the MLBA anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a relation. There's a reason. Shall starts letting
Speaker 2: him have it? Comes out of the dugout ten pitches
Speaker 2: into the game, Angel compost runs him, runs him ten
Speaker 2: pitches into the game. College World Series championship game, Yes,
Speaker 2: game two of a best of three series. He runs
Speaker 2: Coastal Carolina's head coach ten pitches into the game. Now,
Speaker 2: I actually was watching that game live, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, and I I saw this happening, and apparently
Speaker 2: there was some there was some discrepancy the night before
Speaker 2: the day before that, they got into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: And from what I understand that initially on the day
Speaker 2: in question, which was yesterday or two days ago, he
Speaker 2: got into it with the first base coach, got into
Speaker 2: it with the first base coach where it started with
Speaker 2: the balls and strikes, and then the head coach jumped
Speaker 2: into it. I'm sorry, go ahead for it. No, no,
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. So when he runs the head coach,
Speaker 2: the manager ten pitches into the game. Ten a good lord.
Speaker 2: Ten pitches into the World Series game. He runs him,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh god.
Speaker 1: And then to make matters worse, all of the umpires
Speaker 1: come running in, right, they're all gonna around and defend
Speaker 1: Angel compos.
Speaker 2: One guy comes flying in, trips and falls over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it looks it looks like the manager from Coastal
Speaker 2: pushed him or whatever and didn't touch him. Didn't touch him. Now,
Speaker 2: didn't touch him.
Speaker 1: So this guy comes flying in. He is accusing the
Speaker 1: manager of knocking him down, which wasn't true, and compos
Speaker 1: runs him ten pitches into the game. I gotta tell you, you
Speaker 1: gotta be better than that. This is the College World Series.
Speaker 1: Get it together eight. He shouldn't work any more games.
Speaker 1: He should be done.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. Shitn't You cannot run the guy
Speaker 2: ten pitches into the game because he's on you. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's on you for good reason. How about time out, Kevin?
Speaker 2: Come out here like one day. It's very similar, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, it's very similar. That's why it's
Speaker 2: so current. Very similar to Dave Roberts. When Dave Roberts
Speaker 2: got the other day against the Padres when they gave
Speaker 2: a warning to both teams, and Dave was asking, why
Speaker 2: did you give a warning to both teams? You know
Speaker 2: they threw at our guy. Why are you warning us?
Speaker 2: And that's really what Dave was asking. And your boy,
Speaker 2: Fred Trip Gibson decided that you can't come out here.
Speaker 2: Don't come out here. Don't you come out here. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna run here. You come out and he ran him,
Speaker 2: and all Dave was, I just wanted an explanation as
Speaker 2: to why you are warning us when their guy hit us,
Speaker 2: their guy hit us, and you're warning both teams. And
Speaker 2: it was very similar to that where he was just questioning.
Speaker 2: He said, I guess he wanted to know a specific
Speaker 2: situation and it was trying to get an answer to it.
Speaker 2: And a guy took offense thinking he was questioning the
Speaker 2: balls and strikes. Now he probably was, but he was
Speaker 2: doing it in a different way. But it wasn't even
Speaker 2: him that initially. It was the first base coach that
Speaker 2: started chirping to talk about you know, you know, get it,
Speaker 2: you know the strike zone is whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: And I guess there was a warning given and then
Speaker 2: he went right back at the manager, the head coach,
Speaker 2: and ran him. I agree with you. You cannot do that,
Speaker 2: you got it unless somebody comes and really puts their
Speaker 2: finger in your face and shoves you or whatever. You
Speaker 2: gotta have some more decorum, You gotta have a little
Speaker 2: bit more. You gotta have tougher skin as an umpire
Speaker 2: to not run a head coach of a college team
Speaker 2: in the World Series ten pitches in, I mean absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Compost should have called time. He should have called time. Now,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to handle this and diffuse it time.
Speaker 1: Just walk over to the dugout signal the coach to
Speaker 1: come out. Let's just air it out right now. Don't
Speaker 1: embarrass me. I'm gonna talk to you right now. Don't
Speaker 1: embarrass me. Don't start screaming at me. But let's just
Speaker 1: discuss what's going on. Let's come to an agreement. Go
Speaker 1: back now, consider yourself officially warned. I gave you the chance,
Speaker 1: I gave you the time. Let's work this out. That's
Speaker 1: how you diffuse this thing. You don't just throw the
Speaker 1: guy out of the game ten pitches in. And that
Speaker 1: speaks to this. You see, sometimes the officials become too
Speaker 1: big for the game. The one thing you never want
Speaker 1: to do is an official ever never is anybody know
Speaker 1: your name?
Speaker 2: Rever.
Speaker 1: If no one knows your name, you've done a good job.
Speaker 1: If no one can pick out anything you've done, really,
Speaker 1: you've done a good job.
Speaker 2: Right, how many I'm an NBA official? Do you know?
Speaker 2: You know a couple? Right? Scott and the number one
Speaker 2: you know? Right? Yeah, Scott Foster. Now he didn't work
Speaker 2: the finals, right, he didn't. Everybody thought he because he
Speaker 2: normally does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think his notoriety has become a deterrent. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: anytime you're saying, is Scott Foster gonna work the game?
Speaker 1: That's really bad for an official? Is it Scott Foster?
Speaker 1: Is he working tonight?
Speaker 2: That's bad. You don't want people to identify you. And
Speaker 2: it's not bad for Scott Foster the human being, but
Speaker 2: it's bad for the game. It's bad.
Speaker 1: And now because he is known as he is, you
Speaker 1: might see him get fewer assignments. He's distracting from the game,
Speaker 1: right right, anything he does in that game, somebody's going
Speaker 1: to react to it now watching Oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: anything controversial, anything close, anything, whatever it's gonna be, it's
Speaker 1: gonna focus.
Speaker 2: Its gonna be on Scott Foster.
Speaker 1: And that's not what they want. And I think that
Speaker 1: all of the notoriety and the discussion of the conversation
Speaker 1: about him, I think it's now hurt him. And that's
Speaker 1: not to say he's not a good official. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's still one of the best, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to send him into that. It's bad for your business,
Speaker 1: it's bad for the game, and maybe, through no fault
Speaker 1: of his own, he may not get any more games
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, because he's too well known angel compost
Speaker 1: in the college game. Come on, man, come on, now
Speaker 1: everyone knows you, Everyone now knows who you are. You
Speaker 1: can't work anymore college World Series games ever. Ever, you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: You probably shouldn't even work anymore in college sports. That
Speaker 1: was a horrible judgment.
Speaker 2: And how many coaches do you think, I mean, around
Speaker 2: college baseball are sending in their responses letters whatever they
Speaker 2: may think, watching that going. That guy cannot work another
Speaker 2: college playoff game ever, Like you said, how about this,
Speaker 2: how about this?
Speaker 1: I don't want that guy work in our games period. Yeah,
Speaker 1: college playoff game, we don't want him. No, we don't
Speaker 1: want him to work. We say no.
Speaker 2: And you know the leagues do when the coaches and
Speaker 2: ads do have a voice in this stuff, Yeah they do, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do. And I got to imagine other ads and
Speaker 2: other coaches around the league around college baseball. We're going
Speaker 2: and ten pitches in, you're gonna run him. We're talking
Speaker 2: about you know, eighteen nineteen year old kids and the
Speaker 2: world and the World Series championship game, and you gotta
Speaker 2: run the head coach ten pitches in. Come on, you
Speaker 2: can't do that. You cannot do that. No, I'd be
Speaker 2: shocked if he works another at least another significant college
Speaker 2: baseball game. No, he can't. He can't.
Speaker 1: When the officials become the story, then a change has
Speaker 1: to be made. When you become the story, you have
Speaker 1: done something wrong. Angel Hernandez became the story and suddenly
Speaker 1: mysteriously retired, right, Oh, I just decided yesterday, I'm retiring tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what that was, right, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was you can go on your own. Oh, we're going
Speaker 2: to force you out. Yeah, let's have a conversation. We've
Speaker 2: come to a decision. You're not going to sue us.
Speaker 2: We're not going to listen. It doesn't matter. We've got
Speaker 2: all the evidence. You know what people do, and I
Speaker 2: think they do it in business as well, Major League
Speaker 2: Baseball's business. When they want to get rid of somebody,
Speaker 2: they start building a case. Oh yeah, and they build
Speaker 2: it over time. And even if somebody does what appears
Speaker 2: to be something egregious and should be gone immediately, they
Speaker 2: aren't gone immediately. They're warned, then they're watched. Then you
Speaker 2: start building that case. And I'm sure in the situation
Speaker 2: involving Angel Hernandez, what happened was they'd had the conversations,
Speaker 2: but everybody. I mean, we used to play the Angel
Speaker 2: Hernandez drinking game here on this show.
Speaker 1: Get ready, he's working tonight. How many he's gonna miss
Speaker 1: and how many innings will it take it?
Speaker 2: And get drunk?
Speaker 1: I mean we did that. If people know that, they
Speaker 1: probably just sit there. That's to watch everything. You're kind
Speaker 1: of on the hot seat. Now there's nowhere to hide.
Speaker 1: They watch everything. Anything close that you might have got
Speaker 1: wrong is now wrong.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They build that case and probably got to a point,
Speaker 1: unless God forbid, there was something physically wrong with him
Speaker 1: and no one has said anything like that. They probably
Speaker 1: got to the point where you know, bam, we've got
Speaker 1: enough now right now, we've got another And that's what happened.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. I'm sure that's what got them.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, because I think much like much like Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball and the players and the players union, which
Speaker 2: is very strong, umpires have a pretty good association as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they really do. So it takes a lot for them
Speaker 2: to get I guess what get exiled from managing again.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it was a quick retirement on my own,
Speaker 2: but it really wasn't. It was like Okay, writing's on
Speaker 2: the wall. Angel, We'll see you the right.
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Speaker 1: top of the hour. Rams are trying to build a
Speaker 1: global brand and they're doing a very good job of it.
Speaker 1: They were in Hawaii. Obviously that's not global, that's the
Speaker 1: United States, but I think there are territories include Australia.
Speaker 1: They're going to play a game there I think next year,
Speaker 1: Mexico and other places as well.
Speaker 2: And their goal is to build a global brand in
Speaker 2: markets in which they can control marketing and things like that.
Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and it tells
Speaker 2: you that Rodney, there's much more to this than just
Speaker 2: put the guys out on the field let them go.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're trying to build something much much larger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as we've seen over the years, American sports that are
Speaker 2: really true American sports. Right, Baseball is a true American
Speaker 2: sport that is now trans ended the globe and played
Speaker 2: in other places around the world, especially in Asia. As
Speaker 2: we've just witness the Dodgers really take advantage of the
Speaker 2: Asian market, whether it be Japan, Korea, you know, all
Speaker 2: over Asia. Basketball has been probably the most global sport
Speaker 2: that has easily transcended the world, more so than than
Speaker 2: the other American sports because it's i guess, easier to play.
Speaker 2: And you see it in not only the Europe, but
Speaker 2: you've seen it in Asia and Australia and South America.
Speaker 2: Now Africa has got a league, South America's got you know,
Speaker 2: players coming from South America. So NBA has got to
Speaker 2: jump on everybody when it comes to global the global
Speaker 2: impact in the sports. But now you're seeing football. Now,
Speaker 2: you're seeing football kind of grow over the years. Even
Speaker 2: when I was playing, this is you know, I've been
Speaker 2: retired for twenty years now, but we started. I was
Speaker 2: on several teams that went over outside of the US
Speaker 2: to play. First off with Detroit, we played in London,
Speaker 2: and then I played with the Cowboys who played in Mexico.
Speaker 2: So you're seeing the NFL really try to, you know,
Speaker 2: expand its wings much like Major League Baseball, and the
Speaker 2: NBA has done.
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