Speaker 1: You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, big for Society. You've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to mister Tom Shay today.
Speaker 1: Tom is a bigfoot researcher down there from the state
Speaker 1: of Kentucky. He has been researching the subject for thirty
Speaker 1: eight years and currently has the largest collection of unique
Speaker 1: bigfoot casts east of the Mississippi River, all that have
Speaker 1: been casted by him specifically, and I do also know
Speaker 1: that his work has been validated by people such as
Speaker 1: Cliff Barrickman and the late doctor Jeff Meldrum. I've seen
Speaker 1: some of his collection in person, and they are incredible
Speaker 1: to see. If you ever get the chance to see
Speaker 1: them in person, I would definitely recommend it. Tom, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show today, sir.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh fine? And I'm honored to be.
Speaker 1: Here, absolutely, sir. Whenever I talked to researchers on the show,
Speaker 1: I love to start out with what was it that
Speaker 1: first got you into the Bigfoot subject?
Speaker 2: To begin with, I first got into it was my
Speaker 2: first sighting.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, so let's yeah, let's go right
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven, I was stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: I had to leave time cured and I decided to
Speaker 2: come home and see my parents. Like a week here.
Speaker 2: I got here, I spend a couple of days. I
Speaker 2: had a next girlfriend called me up as I heard
Speaker 2: you in town. Can you come up and we'll go
Speaker 2: aad and do something to night and have some sun
Speaker 2: and if we go back, I said sure, I'll be
Speaker 2: up for this afternoon, pick you up and stuff. I
Speaker 2: got cleaned up and everything, and it started up the
Speaker 2: US thirty six Highway thirty six and now that's along
Speaker 2: the Ohio River from Milton, Kentucky to Carleton, Kentucky and
Speaker 2: rock across the Rivers, Indiana, Madison, Indiana. Now, a lot
Speaker 2: of people need to understand that in nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: this small community around here closed up at five thirty
Speaker 2: and there was nobody on the roads that time. So
Speaker 2: it's a late in the afternoon. It's in October about
Speaker 2: like it is right now, and we're having some eighty
Speaker 2: eighty five degree weather. At that time, it was an
Speaker 2: unusually warm October. And so I'm driving my way all
Speaker 2: my way up to Carl the Kentucky and seen that girl,
Speaker 2: and I noticed this gentleman I thought was a gentleman
Speaker 2: up on the side of the road. It wasn't. I
Speaker 2: was kind of confused because this thing had a this
Speaker 2: person had a fur coat on, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: figure out why this guy got a fur coat on
Speaker 2: the age five degrees out. So when I get it closed,
Speaker 2: I slowed down and I'm looking out the passenger winda
Speaker 2: addy and I'm really not knowing understanding what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: This is a large cherry person. After I passed and
Speaker 2: I sped up a little bit, turned around, come back,
Speaker 2: pulled off the side of the road, and actually got
Speaker 2: out of the car and followed it down into the
Speaker 2: field along the river. There after I crossed. And the
Speaker 2: reason I did that is because I had to understand
Speaker 2: what I saw. I'm getting, I'm getting ground on it
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and it turned around on me
Speaker 2: real quick and it snarled crowd and at that time
Speaker 2: Era I knew it was time to go back to
Speaker 2: the car. I went back to my parents' house, told
Speaker 2: me parents thought I'd been drinking that Mom and Dad
Speaker 2: I just left the house. I said, I ain't been
Speaker 2: gone maybe ten minutes. And so I went back to
Speaker 2: my room and there and I sat down and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure the things out. And my dad comes
Speaker 2: in and says, you're going up there to see your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I said, Dad, I ain't going nowhere. I said, I'm
Speaker 2: just a little too shook up right now. And I said, okay.
Speaker 2: Left it at that. My parents didn't believe in things
Speaker 2: like that, and I really didn't hear growing up. But
Speaker 2: after that I went back to the Fort Campbell and
Speaker 2: all that time I started digesting everything about the big
Speaker 2: Foot phenomenon, reaching out to other researchers and reading books
Speaker 2: and trying to get anything I can. And one of
Speaker 2: the biggest things was at that trimary researchers would not
Speaker 2: share or want to talk or discuss anything to anybody else.
Speaker 2: It was also crypti secretive. Everybody was afraid of you
Speaker 2: just want to take their their line life away. When
Speaker 2: I started researching and I decided, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: going to start everything I find out, I'm going to
Speaker 2: share with everybody, I don't care. And ever since then,
Speaker 2: that's what I've been doing, is share information anything. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know it all. I'm not an expert, but
Speaker 2: I am. I am a seasoned researcher. That's one of
Speaker 2: the biggest things that I have right here. I like
Speaker 2: to help other researchers get started.
Speaker 1: Tom, That's great. What a way to start things off
Speaker 1: for you seeing what you saw that October by the
Speaker 1: Ohio River. My goodness, how tall? How tall was what
Speaker 1: you saw?
Speaker 2: To be totally honest, I really couldn't be honest with
Speaker 2: you about it. I just knowed it was huge. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I had a lot of things going on in my
Speaker 2: mind it this time of trying to figure things out,
Speaker 2: and I just know it was huge. It was wider
Speaker 2: than I was. And I remember, I do remember because
Speaker 2: I'm telling this story and everything's coming back, and I can.
Speaker 3: See the smells and everything for that day, I remember
Speaker 3: I was had to look up up.
Speaker 2: At it in the face.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Listeners will know. Just in case someone's not following
Speaker 1: the map of citing encounters that I have on Big
Speaker 1: for Society podcast dot com, I want to point out
Speaker 1: that this area that you're talking about is just across
Speaker 1: the river from southern Indiana that has really come up
Speaker 1: on the show quite a bit. If you've heard the
Speaker 1: episode about Floyd Knobs Austin Bottoms, that's the area of Indiana,
Speaker 1: but across the river a little bit to the west
Speaker 1: of where Carrollton is. It looks like it's a little
Speaker 1: bit further southwest. But tom after you had this encounter
Speaker 1: and then you start looking and researching into things. So
Speaker 1: was that the thing that pushed you over one hundred
Speaker 1: percent into Okay, now I'm going to start going out
Speaker 1: there all the time. Or were you still at the
Speaker 1: point where you're like, you know what, I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure that I want to go out there and start
Speaker 1: looking all the time into this.
Speaker 2: Yet at that time where I needed to know what
Speaker 2: I was, I looked at what I saw There was
Speaker 2: a blank spot there. I saw something that shouldn't be there,
Speaker 2: crawling up your tout with evolutions. Staff were not as
Speaker 2: humans here. There's nothing else on here. You just got
Speaker 2: your cow, your beer and stuff like that. There's not
Speaker 2: a type of humanoid creature around here. So from my
Speaker 2: own state of mind, I had to find out what
Speaker 2: I was, what I saw, what I had witnessed.
Speaker 1: So you start going out on this really quest figure
Speaker 1: out what it is that you saw. You were talking
Speaker 1: to other people, you were reading books. But then did
Speaker 1: you also start to go into these areas to start
Speaker 1: to see if you could find this creature again?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, Well I was in the service when I
Speaker 2: had a lot of time, I could get some a
Speaker 2: week off and leave or something like that. I would
Speaker 2: hop a military flat and go out to worshy State, California, Oregon, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: a couple of times, Arkansas. Get some stuff in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan.
Speaker 2: It's really good work up in Michigan around Grayland. This
Speaker 2: some stuff in Georgia, but it wasn't long term stuff.
Speaker 2: I was there like three or four days and got
Speaker 2: to feel the place.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Did you have any things that happened to
Speaker 1: you in that section of the Pacific Northwest, like your Washington, Oregon,
Speaker 1: northern California. Did anything happen to you when you would
Speaker 1: go out there, Well.
Speaker 2: I had some things that happened, but I couldn't say
Speaker 2: for sure that it was bigfoot related because I didn't
Speaker 2: see it and I couldn't explain what happened. I heard
Speaker 2: sounds and stuff like that. Just because you hear something
Speaker 2: in the woods doesn't mean it's a big foot absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned this Graylan, Michigan area. What was it
Speaker 1: that happened up there specifically?
Speaker 2: I really don't want to talk about that right now,
Speaker 2: So I talk to the people I was with. Sure,
Speaker 2: I promised them I wouldn't say too much of about it,
Speaker 2: But I have been working up in that area. If
Speaker 2: there's a military inslation up there, a proving ground like
Speaker 2: Oka area, okay, up around that area there, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can definitely we'll put to the side, no
Speaker 1: problem at all. So, Tom, you're traveling around the US,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're checking out the specific areas that
Speaker 1: you know are good. You're having things that might be
Speaker 1: considered encounters, but you're you're not having maybe visuals like
Speaker 1: out in the Pacific Northwest. Was there a time then
Speaker 1: where you finally broke through and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was able to have another sighting or have something happened
Speaker 1: within a shadow of a doubt. Okay, I'm here experiencing
Speaker 1: this creature again.
Speaker 2: When I got out of the service, the traveling thing stopped.
Speaker 2: I focused my research locally. I went to the Sheriff's department,
Speaker 2: I went to the library. Actually, historians in your town,
Speaker 2: if you have a historical society, you can look up
Speaker 2: like here in my county. In nineteen sixty two, there
Speaker 2: was an outbreak of a big foot type creature that
Speaker 2: was terrorizing the county. They call it the thing or
Speaker 2: the Bedford beast. It looked in windows, It harassed people,
Speaker 2: It took hogs that killed a calf, livestock. It got
Speaker 2: so bad that the sheriff formed a posse, a hunting posse,
Speaker 2: and the state police joined in. There was a hunting
Speaker 2: group out of Louisville TV station, so it hit the ap.
Speaker 2: This happened for about thirty days, and then after the
Speaker 2: big hunt, I had it cornered back here and we
Speaker 2: had what they call the Limestone Caves along the river
Speaker 2: bank here. One part of the hill I had up
Speaker 2: in the area, but they didn't find it. And right
Speaker 2: after all that happened, it died down. And then periodically
Speaker 2: over the years more people had seen things have happened here,
Speaker 2: and it maybe want to maybe I just stay in
Speaker 2: my own little county here, so if we had all
Speaker 2: this stuff going on, maybe find out if there's anything
Speaker 2: else going on here in this county. I established myself
Speaker 2: here and a lot of people know who I am
Speaker 2: and what I do, and if they have that encounter,
Speaker 2: they will contact me. Or if they know somebody who
Speaker 2: mentioned something about an odd thing happening, I said, why
Speaker 2: don't you go talk to that man, Tom Shay. He
Speaker 2: lives black Blah Black. And I get people here all
Speaker 2: the time talking to me. So I had a homeowner
Speaker 2: that thought he saw a bear and it was right
Speaker 2: next to my farm, right across the road from my farm,
Speaker 2: And can I go back in and look around with it?
Speaker 2: He goes there, go ahead. So I went back in
Speaker 2: and looked around, and I was righting beflour with him
Speaker 2: and going along the access road. Now this was like
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, and I come across these fresh tracks
Speaker 2: that had crossed over this access road, and they were
Speaker 2: perfect man, like you said you saw on the ford,
Speaker 2: these were perfect prints. And I'm excited, and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: down there, and I'm a guy that likes to sit
Speaker 2: down and note everything about everything that's going on, because
Speaker 2: you've got to do that. You got to note every surroundings,
Speaker 2: the vegetation, the temperatures, the airspeed, what type of terrain substrate.
Speaker 2: And I'll get about that here in a little bit.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I've got here and I'm checking these tracks
Speaker 2: out and I'm measuring, and i'm documenting, and I get
Speaker 2: ready to start casting, and I carry a handgun I
Speaker 2: always do out in the woods. Not because I'm afraid
Speaker 2: of a big pot of there like that. It's I've
Speaker 2: actually walked up on homeless people in the woods. You
Speaker 2: just don't know what you're going to come up against
Speaker 2: the woods. To other people, that's the one thing. And
Speaker 2: most of you know that if you got something on
Speaker 2: your belt and everything you're trying to cast, it get
Speaker 2: in your way all the time. So I took it
Speaker 2: off and put it on a four wheeler and it's
Speaker 2: thirty thirty yards away for thirty feet thirty thirty speed
Speaker 2: and I'm down here on my knees and I'm getting
Speaker 2: ready to pour this casting material and I got a
Speaker 2: whipp something. Oh lord, this thinks man's like some little
Speaker 2: sefty take. And I had to look up and this
Speaker 2: thing had still been in the area and had come back,
Speaker 2: and it was on the other side of my four
Speaker 2: wheeler looking at me. And I sat there and looked
Speaker 2: at it while it looked at me, and it appeared
Speaker 2: like it was hours, but it was only seconds. And
Speaker 2: I tried to figure out what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Am I going to make a dash for my four
Speaker 2: whether and get my handgun or just set here? And
Speaker 2: I decided I was just gonna sit there and watch
Speaker 2: it because I figured that there's no way I make
Speaker 2: it time. But like I said, it was just seconds,
Speaker 2: but it seemed like an eternity. They lost interest in me,
Speaker 2: sniffed the air, you know, looked up the air, sniffed, grunted,
Speaker 2: and started off down the ridge. And I had a
Speaker 2: habit of just strimming phones in the field, and my
Speaker 2: wife got me a cell phone, a slip phone, cheapy,
Speaker 2: and at this time here I took the phone out
Speaker 2: and hit video and I'm actually walking behind it videotaping
Speaker 2: it and I'm not paying attention. Yeah, I mean, my
Speaker 2: focus is on it, but I'm after the phone up
Speaker 2: and I'm recording. So after it went over the ridge
Speaker 2: and disappeared, I jumped on the foe where I left
Speaker 2: everything from a wood and went back to the to
Speaker 2: my home, went to the house and my wife knew
Speaker 2: I had. I was excited so scause you got something
Speaker 2: on your phone. Yeah, And I downloaded on the computer
Speaker 2: so I can watch it. And as soon as it
Speaker 2: came up, my wife says, that was the best share
Speaker 2: to ever bought. You. In the confusion, I had actually
Speaker 2: reversed the camera and was spending myself while I was
Speaker 2: following it. Now I tell people this part, and it's funny.
Speaker 2: It wasn't funny then, but I had big alligator cares
Speaker 2: of my eyes. But I tell people this because in
Speaker 2: the heat of the moment, things happen. You don't think,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't thinking. Uh, you just tell people, Tell
Speaker 2: other researchers this because they can learn from my mistake.
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll get the photo or the video, they'll calm
Speaker 2: down a little bit. But there's been other occasions where
Speaker 2: me and my team have seen them, and we sit
Speaker 2: there and watch them for a couple of minutes. And
Speaker 2: the next thing was nobody decided to take out a phone.
Speaker 2: Why because we're too immersed and we're looking at what
Speaker 2: we're seeing. That's that's it.
Speaker 1: Wow, Tom, that's yeah. I cannot imagine going through that.
Speaker 1: How far away was it from you when you were
Speaker 1: filming it?
Speaker 2: It was a little bit further away for me. It
Speaker 2: wasn't as as it was bottom four wheelers.
Speaker 1: I got some distance, gotcha.
Speaker 2: I would say about eighty feet maybe foot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still all right. How big were the tracks?
Speaker 1: It was leaving.
Speaker 2: Eighteen and a half inches And these are the ones
Speaker 2: we called Goliath? Can we seeing the other times in
Speaker 2: that same areage? Actually on my farm, it's pond. There's
Speaker 2: a big footprint, two big footprints that we got it
Speaker 2: by the bank, and a big handprint. And what we
Speaker 2: think was it stopped there at the pond and squad
Speaker 2: it put one hand down and was drinking from the pond.
Speaker 2: And I chasted that one of the prints in one
Speaker 2: of the hands.
Speaker 1: So how big a cross? Remind me? Because I know
Speaker 1: I've seen these, but it's been a few years. How
Speaker 1: big across is your hand cast of Cliath.
Speaker 2: It's really huge, But you've got to understand something. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of exaggeration because of the silk that didn't
Speaker 2: put its hand down. It was the damage to weight
Speaker 2: and dispersed out, and it maybe it looked like it
Speaker 2: were a giant, but it really ain't. It really 't
Speaker 2: that big. The hand is really not that big. It's
Speaker 2: just the damage did when it's silk, and it was
Speaker 2: the weight, thespersal of the substrate and the way in
Speaker 2: my hand if you open, you're both hands up and
Speaker 2: put your thumbs overlap each other. That's about how wide
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Maybe twelve inches. I'm just off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that, but I'm not really sure because it's
Speaker 2: not in front of me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely look here with.
Speaker 2: All my notations in it, and I could look it up,
Speaker 2: but I don't have it here looking right at the moment.
Speaker 1: How tall is Goliath.
Speaker 2: Nine and a half foot? And how we did that
Speaker 2: was I had a friend that was a researcher too,
Speaker 2: that worked with me. We went back after that that
Speaker 2: next day and I was down where I was casting
Speaker 2: at and he went over to where it was at,
Speaker 2: and we used a yardstick and lifted up a high
Speaker 2: and we got a vestment of nine and a half
Speaker 2: foot that way. Wow, it was standing and where I
Speaker 2: was there on my knees casting up print, and I
Speaker 2: could tell when I looked just alid, I could tell
Speaker 2: where the head touched the branch behind it. And that's
Speaker 2: how I used it as a reference. So that's how
Speaker 2: we got the reference point on that.
Speaker 1: Being able to just look at it for a short
Speaker 1: bit of time. But you just you said you looked
Speaker 1: at it and you're just taking it in. Do you
Speaker 1: remember any details from the face when you were able
Speaker 1: to just look at it?
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually just sketched the face. It was more
Speaker 2: it wasn't a monkey like, it wasn't gorilla like. It
Speaker 2: was more manliked. They had a note supposed to a
Speaker 2: flat flat nose, not real flat and all. Actually, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I actually when I cat when I
Speaker 2: sketched it the picture right after I saw it, because
Speaker 2: I had it fresh in my mind and I sketched it.
Speaker 2: Cliff has it in his museum, the original hanging in
Speaker 2: the museum with the sketch of Goliath.
Speaker 1: I actually I have seen that. I was just there
Speaker 1: out in July, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. What kind of head shape did it have?
Speaker 2: From what you remember, it really didn't have that much
Speaker 2: of a comb, but it was a large head, large cheek, bones,
Speaker 2: had had a really nice brow. Have you seen these
Speaker 2: things like the pictures of n Neanderthals like that with
Speaker 2: a lot of hair. And the one thing about this
Speaker 2: when you hear about Glass is he's reddish and brawn
Speaker 2: and as everybody ever sees a picture of Patty with
Speaker 2: black short, really nice coat of hair, Goliath didn't have that.
Speaker 2: He had matted hair, had bris and the hair and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I could tell that it wasn't chepped up.
Speaker 2: It was likely something that would live in the woods.
Speaker 1: What kind of let's say, what kind of muscular structure
Speaker 1: was glith? Is he a very muscular individual or sometimes
Speaker 1: you have big foot sightings and they're more lean and
Speaker 1: not entirely muscular.
Speaker 2: He's pretty stout. He had a chest that would you
Speaker 2: put two men in it. Two big men showed their lives.
Speaker 2: It was wide shoulders, it was muscular, It wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't the superhero type stuff you look at, but you
Speaker 2: could tell it was it was muscular.
Speaker 1: Did you notice anything about its hands or arms at all?
Speaker 2: No, I mostly focused on the face. The one thing
Speaker 2: about growing up in a farm when you have chattle
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Like wolves, when they get ready
Speaker 2: to charge you, they'll close their eyes, and the same
Speaker 2: way with scenes when they get ready to lunch, they blink,
Speaker 2: will get right before they do anything. So I was
Speaker 2: watching the eyes in the face, wonder of it was
Speaker 2: going to charge me or what.
Speaker 1: So did it have any emotion in its face while
Speaker 1: you were watching it?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 1: No, No, And the eyes you mentioned you were looking
Speaker 1: at the eyes, were the eyes where they were all
Speaker 1: one color or did they have whites around the edges?
Speaker 2: They were dark? There was I to be honest, they
Speaker 2: were dark. It looks soulless, but that could because of
Speaker 2: the shadow it was ave or whatever the lighting had.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that this individual has also been seen
Speaker 1: multiple times around the same area.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I have multiple castings at different times of
Speaker 2: the life. And how we do that is is a cliff.
Speaker 2: Late doctor Milturn taught me this little trick is that
Speaker 2: the big toe you can always tell the big toe
Speaker 2: of each individual. The big toe what's on the story.
Speaker 2: Nobody has the same type toe structure. So the life
Speaker 2: has this arrowhead type toe big toe. So that's how
Speaker 2: we figure out that's Goliath. The minitarsal break has that
Speaker 2: same push off and stuff flexibility.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Have the footprints changed in any ways
Speaker 1: over the years or have they been pretty consistent the
Speaker 1: way it looks.
Speaker 2: They have changed. Of course, princes are going to change anyway.
Speaker 2: When you cast them. They're going to be up here
Speaker 2: bigger or smaller or narrower. It all depends on the
Speaker 2: substrate and how wet and how oh they are. Because
Speaker 2: in the winter time they freeze, they expand and then shrink.
Speaker 2: And because the freezing effect and then the summertime from
Speaker 2: drying out and getting wet don't do the same thing.
Speaker 2: You don't have different things. But that's the way. You
Speaker 2: have to take notes and note everything in your footprint
Speaker 2: where you cast it. Then after you cast it, didn't
Speaker 2: you go over your cast and they're like that study
Speaker 2: it more in detail. Now we do have some juveniles
Speaker 2: that it's in the area, and I have one footprint
Speaker 2: of it about six seven years ago, and then another one.
Speaker 2: I think it was four years after that they had
Speaker 2: extremely it got a little larger and stuff as they grow,
Speaker 2: the same individual because the toe structure was the same.
Speaker 2: And I believe I just got another one here just recently.
Speaker 2: I think it is the same individual. I haven't cleaned
Speaker 2: the cast up yet. I'm still letting it cheer and
Speaker 2: then I'll go from there.
Speaker 1: Can you share a little bit about what the other
Speaker 1: interactions have been like with Goliath? Have they been similar
Speaker 1: to your interaction or have different things happened?
Speaker 2: At one time it walked up on me. The other
Speaker 2: times people have seen it, and I think we actually
Speaker 2: saw it once more a couple of years ago in
Speaker 2: a creek bed. It was in standing in the creek.
Speaker 2: I got a video of that, but it's really hard
Speaker 2: to see because well we was and where it was.
Speaker 2: You can see it walk out and.
Speaker 4: It was just a little too far away.
Speaker 2: But other people have seen what they I think it's
Speaker 2: a liar being curious moving through. I think he's just
Speaker 2: one of the biggest males here in the county. And
Speaker 2: mostly all the time they ever see this big one
Speaker 2: is he's alone. He's not with a group or anything
Speaker 2: like that. He's always solitary.
Speaker 1: That's a pattern I've heard before. Do you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts about why he is probably more a solitary individual
Speaker 1: than rather in a group, like a family group.
Speaker 2: I believe he's one of them. He's an alpha male.
Speaker 2: My opinion is I believe the females are actually the
Speaker 2: ones that are more active or in the family groups,
Speaker 2: and I just think that the male wander. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So active, Like how in let's say, like
Speaker 1: the lion species you have, the female lions are or
Speaker 1: the lionesses are more They'll be out getting the food,
Speaker 1: being more active that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I like you.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool. Over you say, thirty eight years,
Speaker 1: is this very long time to have things happen. Has
Speaker 1: there ever been an experience or an encounter where you
Speaker 1: did not really feel comfortable with what was going on
Speaker 1: and if you could have gotten out of there at
Speaker 1: the same minute, let's get out of here.
Speaker 2: Another tough one. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just say that a lot of these people
Speaker 5: walk around and say, all my years, I've never heard
Speaker 5: of anybody hurt anybody or anything like that.
Speaker 2: They're not violent, And there had been some violent tendencies
Speaker 2: that we have witnessed. I have witnessed. I was in
Speaker 2: Henry County, Kentucky. I gentleman called meet and I think
Speaker 2: I got these giant monkeys living on my place. And
Speaker 2: I said, really yeah, and I said, talk, come out
Speaker 2: and check it out. He goes, yeah, come on out.
Speaker 2: And I went out there and most people say giant monkeys.
Speaker 2: I have to go out and I have to check
Speaker 2: the place out. After there's so been so many places
Speaker 2: I have gone that people I said, they've seen something
Speaker 2: and it was just a shadow paradolia. They're seeing things
Speaker 2: in the woods that ain't there. I never found no plants,
Speaker 2: I've never found no evidence and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: I go out there and I check it out before
Speaker 2: I do a full expedition. So we're back here on
Speaker 2: his land. We're back in from the far way back
Speaker 2: in there, and so far there's a little bit of sign,
Speaker 2: but I can't really be certain. And they were starting
Speaker 2: to get late, and I said, I said, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what I said. I'll bring my team out this
Speaker 2: weekend and we'll come out on our way back. You
Speaker 2: start getting dark and uh, and we'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: We were surrounded by something. We couldn't see them, but
Speaker 2: we had stuff beating the ground, screaming, beating their chest,
Speaker 2: throwing stuff at.
Speaker 6: Us, and we would move one hundred yards to two
Speaker 6: hundred yards, and then all of a sudden, boots all
Speaker 6: start over again, more stuff throw those chest beating.
Speaker 2: Screaming, pounding the ground. And the only thing I had
Speaker 2: was one of these little flashlights. I didn't have a
Speaker 2: day one erthing like that. And I couldn't You couldn't
Speaker 2: see them. There was far enough back into vegetation where
Speaker 2: they couldn't We couldn't see nothing. And this kept happening
Speaker 2: all the time. He was coming back to the house.
Speaker 2: We get back to the house, his house, and he
Speaker 2: looks at me and it all stops. There. We have
Speaker 2: a big there's a big security light there at the house,
Speaker 2: and there it stops. Nothing's going on now. And he
Speaker 2: looks at me. Because we want me to do I said,
Speaker 2: go inside, lock your door, and don't come out until
Speaker 2: in the morning. And I came home, I got my car,
Speaker 2: came home h and my wife was still up and
Speaker 2: she goes, what do you say, I said, I quit.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not going back out. Yeah, the first
Speaker 2: time in my life I have ever been so scared.
Speaker 2: That's something that I could not see or could not
Speaker 2: deal with. If I can see it and I know
Speaker 2: what it is, I can deal with it. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: I might not survive. I can have a pretty good chance.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was dealing with. We had
Speaker 2: to basic chest beating. We had pounding on the screaming
Speaker 2: a three minute staff at us I mean it. And
Speaker 2: I did some little research after that. It was like
Speaker 2: chimpanzees at war when it something that invade their territory,
Speaker 2: and then that's suing what it was. And there was
Speaker 2: a three month period that I wouldn't go out I did.
Speaker 2: I told my team, I said I quit. And it
Speaker 2: was John Gregory, m in chief Ofton and Dusty Ruth
Speaker 2: and actually the rest of my team that got me
Speaker 2: back out in the field. And I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: that first night in the field, I was so uncomfortable
Speaker 2: because of what had happened.
Speaker 7: If that thing could expoot me, and to this day,
Speaker 7: I am not comfortable in being out in the woods
Speaker 7: by myself.
Speaker 2: Since that happened. Now, if I have to, I will.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for tracks or but usually I take somebody
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: Did you ever go back to that same spot after
Speaker 1: you started back up again?
Speaker 2: I did, and got ready to go back into it
Speaker 2: and back out. And I'm not ashamed to tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that place bothered me. And I swear any
Speaker 2: other researcher go out and have something like that happen,
Speaker 2: I want to see how they react. Yeah, it brings
Speaker 2: up from me. It's a really rough right now talking
Speaker 2: about it, because it does. It does mess with you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing that up. I know things like
Speaker 1: that are extremely hard to talk about. I not experience
Speaker 1: that myself, but I can only imagine that property owner
Speaker 1: had the property owner actually had visuals of anything on
Speaker 1: the property or was it a thing where it was
Speaker 1: unseen to that person as well.
Speaker 2: No, he's all monkeys. He's all actually said, it's all
Speaker 2: our monkeys. That was the reason why I went out there,
Speaker 2: because he said the larger monkeys. But still, you go
Speaker 2: out there, the expectations is going to be nothing. When
Speaker 2: I go out on a site. When somebody sees something,
Speaker 2: my first thing is tell me your story and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Okay, you can tell me your story, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to listen to you and I'll take it.
Speaker 2: But in order for your story to have validation, I
Speaker 2: have to have some type of evidence. So that's why
Speaker 2: I have to go out and see if I can
Speaker 2: find a book, I can find anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 1: Next is do you have a checklist for a place
Speaker 1: to pass before you can launch an actual full expedition
Speaker 1: into it? And so is the checklist pretty much? You
Speaker 1: have to find some piece of evidence or are there
Speaker 1: other things as well?
Speaker 2: We have to find some type of time, some type
Speaker 2: of evidence. If I don't find I've been I've been
Speaker 2: to some properties, step out and walk maybe thirty yards
Speaker 2: into the woods, and I turned around, told you guys,
Speaker 2: is that there's no sense. I said, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a wasted weekend here. There's no you're telling me that
Speaker 2: there's a big foot here, and we would stick it out.
Speaker 2: We stayed the weekend and nothing happened, and the homeowner,
Speaker 2: the property owner be set in there with is I
Speaker 2: don't know, they usually coming out about this time. And
Speaker 2: then there's other times we were set up on a
Speaker 2: property and the homeowner will be set there with propy
Speaker 2: owner around the fire and stuff like that and there
Speaker 2: would be this down hear that that's it, that's the
Speaker 2: big Foot, and it'd be a fox.
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a
Speaker 1: good rule to follow. It puts you in the areas
Speaker 1: where you're going to have a much much higher chance
Speaker 1: of having something legitimate happen. You are definitely known for
Speaker 1: casting tracks. Usually when people are mentioning Tom Shay, they're
Speaker 1: either talking about Goliath or they're talking about the track
Speaker 1: that you've cast. Do you have any advice about how
Speaker 1: to cast a good track to people that might not
Speaker 1: be pretty good at it yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The best advice I can give you is if
Speaker 2: you want to learn how to really cast and all
Speaker 2: types of substrates, wet snow, any practice, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: cost you some money, but practice. I go to Low's
Speaker 2: here or Minards, picked me up a twenty five pound
Speaker 2: bag of plaster. I go out here, kill me up
Speaker 2: a piece of a six ft by six foot place.
Speaker 2: Kill it up out there, and I go out and
Speaker 2: now walk in it all one day. Wise dry go
Speaker 2: out there, and the next day go out there, put
Speaker 2: water it down, a little good money walk through so
Speaker 2: I can judge how much mix. I got to use
Speaker 2: the ratio of the water water for the substract, how
Speaker 2: wet it is and stuff. It takes time to learn this,
Speaker 2: but when you learn it, you when you're out in
Speaker 2: the field, you can actually look at the substrate and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't need all this water here. I just have
Speaker 2: to use twenty percent of it, not all of it,
Speaker 2: because how wet it is. Ask questions other researchers who
Speaker 2: actually tast. There's a good video on YouTube of a
Speaker 2: gentleman showing how to tast. It's a tracking video and
Speaker 2: they cast the prints and they show you how to tast,
Speaker 2: and he even tells you that sometimes it looks like
Speaker 2: pancake mixed when you mix, but there's other times that
Speaker 2: you're going to have to The mix is gonna have
Speaker 2: to be a little thicker or a little thinner, and
Speaker 2: you on the substrate, you know the type of trint
Speaker 2: you get here. Recently, I've been practicing in casting in
Speaker 2: real thin fine footprints that you find. You get that
Speaker 2: powdery stuff sometimes and something we'll s it you. So
Speaker 2: I'm practicing with that right now. But yeah, that's it
Speaker 2: practice and practice.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's great advice. And also I think this
Speaker 1: is with anything to be in the attitude where you
Speaker 1: never want to be in the attitude or say Okay,
Speaker 1: I made it. That's not a good place to be.
Speaker 1: You're constantly practicing, you're constantly improving in craft. It sounds
Speaker 1: like that's where you are, and I would recommend people
Speaker 1: to be in that mindset with whatever they are doing.
Speaker 1: Is there a certain way that you a certain type
Speaker 1: of thing you do where you are attempting to have
Speaker 1: interactions with bigfoot that you find to be most successful.
Speaker 1: For example, some people are knocking on trees while some
Speaker 1: other people are let's just put a chair down and
Speaker 1: what's sitting in the area and see what happens.
Speaker 2: We don't run around at night time. We don't beat
Speaker 2: on trees, we don't do what we don't do calls
Speaker 2: or nothing like that. Oh whoops. What we do is no,
Speaker 2: I call my my not an organization. We call a
Speaker 2: group because each individual in the group has a searching
Speaker 2: skill that they dot, audio, video, stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: when we got in the field, we got We don't
Speaker 2: sleep in tents because if you're in a tent and
Speaker 2: you got activity going on, you're gonna have to get up,
Speaker 2: bumble with the zipper, try to get out and by
Speaker 2: the time you're out and get your gear, everything's done.
Speaker 2: It's gone. We put up canopies. We put a couple
Speaker 2: out on the edge of the camp. We got like
Speaker 2: sentinels out there. We're like siminels. They take turns at night.
Speaker 2: Everybody else is at camp. We're talking. Try to entice
Speaker 2: these things. They find this cheerious and they will come
Speaker 2: up to the to the edge of the camp. And
Speaker 2: that's why we got these guys out here in these
Speaker 2: chairs zero gravity chairs. We sleep in zero gravity chairs
Speaker 2: all the time. All our equipment set right next to us,
Speaker 2: so if something happens, we can reach down, grab it
Speaker 2: and we're filming. We got the audio going. That's it.
Speaker 2: Because you can trim down of a tent, you know
Speaker 2: you're gonna be on your hands and knees crawling out.
Speaker 2: You're gonna try to get We won't be able to
Speaker 2: see three hundred and sixty degrees. That's why we're under
Speaker 2: a champion, and these things will come up. We had
Speaker 2: one one time. I had a group out and my
Speaker 2: responsibility in the group is to keep everybody, make sure
Speaker 2: everybody's safe. Makeure everybody's got water doing okay medical wise,
Speaker 2: and like that. The guys I have out on the
Speaker 2: edge of camp and they're throning stuff like that. If
Speaker 2: anything happens, they can call me. And I was up
Speaker 2: there checking everybody by the fire and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: just be yesing like after you do it a camp, Dusty,
Speaker 2: go back here. It's the tom You to come over here, Mick,
Speaker 2: and I can't otherwise. What's up, Dusty? And he goes,
Speaker 2: I got this thing, come up to see the signature.
Speaker 2: Came up and stood up, and this hasn't moved, but
Speaker 2: once you take a look at it. So I grabbed
Speaker 2: my thermal and I'm soonering out there and I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see it, and about that time it moves, so
Speaker 2: it's billy. It went down on all fours and it's
Speaker 2: belly crawled all the way up to us. And it
Speaker 2: gets to a certain point where the creek is and
Speaker 2: it's inside this creek up on by the bench and
Speaker 2: we're watching it. And we sat there and watched it
Speaker 2: while it watched us for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: Now I have affidavits and everybody was there and watched it.
Speaker 2: They rode up the thing and signed it. We all
Speaker 2: saw this and we all filmed it on our things.
Speaker 2: One of my guys wanted to go down and actually
Speaker 2: get close to it. Now I tell them, no, well there,
Speaker 2: this is what this is is we're going to watch.
Speaker 2: So for about two and a half hours, right, I
Speaker 2: watched us and we watched it, and we're taking notes
Speaker 2: at this time here in video and audio, and it disappears.
Speaker 2: And what happened was it's down into that creek bed
Speaker 2: and we lost it in that creek bed. The next
Speaker 2: day we got up when a thermal you can't judge distance.
Speaker 2: We were surprised to find out that this thing was
Speaker 2: only like three car links from us. That's how close
Speaker 2: it was. Three carlinks. So yeah, we just set we
Speaker 2: don't do it. Calls, we don't do that. We do
Speaker 2: not do nothing in parts state parks and nothing or
Speaker 2: natural forces. The simple fact is, I tell my crew,
Speaker 2: is they're contaminated because like Mammoth K, we've got researchers
Speaker 2: in Mammoth K at one end and the other end.
Speaker 2: I believe that you've got all these researchers in there,
Speaker 2: and you've got them over beeting on trees. We're making
Speaker 2: whooping calls and stuff like that, and you're picking this up.
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's an actual foot or all
Speaker 2: of these research people. So we do it on private property.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows we go into this property, nobody knows where
Speaker 2: we're at, and most places we go at it's so
Speaker 2: we have to use side by sides to get back
Speaker 2: in there. And there's no electricity. It's all primitive. There's nothing.
Speaker 2: And if anybody is back there trying to screw with
Speaker 2: us at night when it's dark, they're not using apply
Speaker 2: then they got X ray vision they can see at
Speaker 2: night and for red visions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Tom, that I was not expecting to hear that.
Speaker 1: That's zero gravity chairs, no tent. This super gutsy dude.
Speaker 1: So you have it. I'm guessing some kind of canopy
Speaker 1: over the chairs though, when you're sleeping in them. Yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Always sometimes there's always two people on watch. Everybody else
Speaker 2: can get some rest and stuff. You got two people now,
Speaker 2: the way it is when everybody is relaxed and everything,
Speaker 2: but when things happen, everybody knows what to do, and
Speaker 2: mean it's everybody's on the ball. They're doing their job.
Speaker 2: You know, the fun and games is over with. Everybody's
Speaker 2: doing their job and it's all scientifically based. It's not hearsay.
Speaker 2: If we get something, we have to have it on camera,
Speaker 2: we have to have it moving on camera like that,
Speaker 2: we have to have some type of physical evidence. The
Speaker 2: next day we go down, we look, we find the
Speaker 2: footprints or something like that. We document all that, we
Speaker 2: make castings. Okay, all this is done. It's all you
Speaker 2: can't say I saw this to somebody and not have
Speaker 2: the evidence. I can go out here and tell you
Speaker 2: all day long. I saw one up bro on the
Speaker 2: hill day. Did you go up and check the foot prints? No,
Speaker 2: because I know they're there. I look at that there
Speaker 2: as okay, you're just telling me you saw something up there,
Speaker 2: but you didn't go up there to check and make
Speaker 2: sure it was something. I asked him, was like, we're
Speaker 2: you afraid to and no, I just know they're here. Okay,
Speaker 2: show me some evidence. I'm sorry. In the last thirty
Speaker 2: eight years, I've built with some really strange people, and
Speaker 2: I take everybody's citing seriously. Even though I find some
Speaker 2: out lavishly stories. There was some really easy, wild stories,
Speaker 2: but I documented because you never know things down the
Speaker 2: road might happen again it's from somebody else. But here's
Speaker 2: one I heard. This witness was telling me that they
Speaker 2: saw this thing come out in a field, had a
Speaker 2: flying saucer come down, and this alien came out, and
Speaker 2: this people came out and they come up close to
Speaker 2: each other. They did a bun, a chest bunk, and
Speaker 2: a high five and walked off in the woods together.
Speaker 4: Now, this was a witness telling me this, HM tell
Speaker 4: me you can figure out what you thought about that.
Speaker 1: Story, gotcha, that's a pretty intense one that kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me more like southwest Pennsylvania stuff. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I do want to circle back to it at the
Speaker 1: end of our chat here because I think it could
Speaker 1: be really helpful for a lot of people. And it's
Speaker 1: that kind of figure out the stuff that's in your
Speaker 1: own area. And it reminds me of something that Lyle
Speaker 1: Blackburn told me during I interviewed him a few years
Speaker 1: because he pretty much, you need to make sure you're
Speaker 1: the expert for the weird stuff in your area. And
Speaker 1: it really makes sense because there's a good chance no
Speaker 1: one else is going to take the time to do it.
Speaker 1: When you were starting to. You're at the point where
Speaker 1: people know to talk to Tom Shay for certain counties.
Speaker 1: If you see something that's like a bigfoot, go to Tomshay.
Speaker 1: Was it when you were first starting to do that.
Speaker 1: Were you going to police departments and being like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Tom Shay, I'd research big fight. If you get
Speaker 1: any anything, here's my card. Were you doing stuff like
Speaker 1: that or do you have any advice If a person
Speaker 1: is trying to become that person for their area in
Speaker 1: the country, what are things that they could do to
Speaker 1: get their name out there to the right people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to go to your police department, go to your
Speaker 2: local shriff department, talk to your emergency management. You're a
Speaker 2: judge execut like, we have good execs here. Talk to them,
Speaker 2: tell them what you do and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: if you hear anybody has any old stories, haven't come
Speaker 2: to me. It's keep me in mind. It's just like
Speaker 2: the LBL. Now, when that story came out and stuff.
Speaker 2: I went down there and I was in the LBL
Speaker 2: for a little bit and I focused mostly on the story.
Speaker 2: So I went to every place the newspapers. I went
Speaker 2: to shriff department, state police, everything, hospitals and nobody knew
Speaker 2: nothing about this massacre at LBL and I can't remember
Speaker 2: who it was, but it was I think it was
Speaker 2: a county official said all that was just made up
Speaker 2: for tourism to get people in here. And I didn't
Speaker 2: find anything, not even in the newspaper the area, or
Speaker 2: the police apartment. The share a department looked at me like,
Speaker 2: can stay please to you're talking about you've got to
Speaker 2: actually go out and research this place, research the area
Speaker 2: and something like that comes up. You know, did dive
Speaker 2: into it really good. One of the best places to
Speaker 2: go is if you have a restaurant of you know,
Speaker 2: a country restaurant in your town or something like that.
Speaker 2: To everybody congregates in the morning, drink coffee and get
Speaker 2: in there. And most of the older gentlemen do. That's
Speaker 2: when you want to go in there and you say
Speaker 2: to that drink coffee and look. Listen to the stories
Speaker 2: they're telling each other, strange chattel mutilations that happened and
Speaker 2: something broke into my corn crib. And listen to those stories.
Speaker 2: And then you get a chance invite yourself into that
Speaker 2: story and talk to them. You know, excuse me, I
Speaker 2: will heard you say that, do you tell me what
Speaker 2: you're talking about, be polite and if they reject you
Speaker 2: being there and then back off, and that's how you
Speaker 2: want to do it.
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice. When you're talking to like
Speaker 1: law enforcement departments and things like that, do you recommend
Speaker 1: talking to them face to face in person rather than
Speaker 1: over the phone, or do you have any thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: So go to the office. Now, you might have to
Speaker 2: do that like several times, because the reception is whoever
Speaker 2: it is it's in charge after you will probably or
Speaker 2: who there was reading the desk will probably show you away.
Speaker 2: But you keep going back and finally you'll get some information.
Speaker 2: Gotcha look at you like you're crazy anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. It makes sense to persistence and niceness
Speaker 1: is a is a great combination, I think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I think that's some good advice for you to give out.
Speaker 1: But Tom, this has been just I think a really
Speaker 1: good conversation. A lot of stuff that people can take
Speaker 1: away from this chat to either start into the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: subject or to become better. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you have the time to share if there are
Speaker 1: ways that people can keep up to date with what
Speaker 1: you're doing, or if there's certain things that you want
Speaker 1: them to check out about your work that you've done,
Speaker 1: things like that, feel free to share those at this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just looked me up on the Facebook I
Speaker 2: run in order to detect a Bigfoot research group on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Anytime we ever do anything, we get any type of
Speaker 2: verified evidence, we'll post it. If you have questions, you
Speaker 2: can ask questions. A lot of knowledgeable people on that
Speaker 2: site that will give you an answer. And there's no bickering,
Speaker 2: no nothing, there's no fun making or nothing like that.
Speaker 2: It's all science based. We're not running a fairy tale thing.
Speaker 2: We're running things that we have actual evidence that has
Speaker 2: been collected, a whole lot of experience people what is
Speaker 2: in this sight? Even my team people are most are
Speaker 2: really And the one thing I like about my team
Speaker 2: is they're not a yes ma'am, yes serve type of deal.
Speaker 2: It's all big Foot. If I say something, somebody will
Speaker 2: question me. That's what I want. I want to be
Speaker 2: questioned why do I believe this happened? And I'll explain
Speaker 2: so just because like I've told anybody else, I don't
Speaker 2: know it all. I'm still wondering. But yeah, and you
Speaker 2: can look me up on Facebook two or if you
Speaker 2: got my get my email from there and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and you can friend me ask me questions to help
Speaker 2: you out any way I can't anybody.
Speaker 1: Tom. That's great. I will definitely have the link to
Speaker 1: that group down in the description for this episode so
Speaker 1: people can find that easily. But I appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on today and thank you so much. Best of luck
Speaker 1: in the future with your future investigations, and I hope
Speaker 1: they are very fruitful for you. Thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on the show today, Tom, Thank you sir. Before we
Speaker 1: wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to
Speaker 1: a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,
Speaker 1: any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that
Speaker 1: no one can explain, or if you're a National park
Speaker 1: ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,
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