WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.879 this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring 3 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:08.720 you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen 4 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.880 something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to 5 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.719 quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:19.719 and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.000 These are the voices of the people who've lived it. 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:27.440 To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:30.120 just might change the way you see the woods forever. 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.399 So stay with us, all right, big for Society. You've 11 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.079 got the privilege of talking to mister Tom Shay today. 12 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.560 Tom is a bigfoot researcher down there from the state 13 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.359 of Kentucky. He has been researching the subject for thirty 14 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:47.200 eight years and currently has the largest collection of unique 15 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:51.000 bigfoot casts east of the Mississippi River, all that have 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:55.240 been casted by him specifically, and I do also know 17 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.880 that his work has been validated by people such as 18 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.079 Cliff Barrickman and the late doctor Jeff Meldrum. I've seen 19 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.840 some of his collection in person, and they are incredible 20 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:09.959 to see. If you ever get the chance to see 21 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.239 them in person, I would definitely recommend it. Tom, thank 22 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.239 you so much for coming on the show today, sir. 23 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:14.799 How are you? 24 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:17.840 Oh fine? And I'm honored to be. 25 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.319 Here, absolutely, sir. Whenever I talked to researchers on the show, 26 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.280 I love to start out with what was it that 27 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.519 first got you into the Bigfoot subject? 28 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:31.840 To begin with, I first got into it was my 29 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.560 first sighting. 30 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.920 Oh okay, all right, so let's yeah, let's go right 31 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:37.359 into it. 32 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.560 Nineteen eighty seven, I was stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. 33 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.159 I had to leave time cured and I decided to 34 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.680 come home and see my parents. Like a week here. 35 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:54.840 I got here, I spend a couple of days. I 36 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.359 had a next girlfriend called me up as I heard 37 00:01:58.359 --> 00:01:59.760 you in town. Can you come up and we'll go 38 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:01.680 aad and do something to night and have some sun 39 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.840 and if we go back, I said sure, I'll be 40 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.599 up for this afternoon, pick you up and stuff. I 41 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.360 got cleaned up and everything, and it started up the 42 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.719 US thirty six Highway thirty six and now that's along 43 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:21.599 the Ohio River from Milton, Kentucky to Carleton, Kentucky and 44 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:26.639 rock across the Rivers, Indiana, Madison, Indiana. Now, a lot 45 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.639 of people need to understand that in nineteen eighty seven, 46 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:38.680 this small community around here closed up at five thirty 47 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:45.000 and there was nobody on the roads that time. So 48 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.840 it's a late in the afternoon. It's in October about 49 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.400 like it is right now, and we're having some eighty 50 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.439 eighty five degree weather. At that time, it was an 51 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:59.159 unusually warm October. And so I'm driving my way all 52 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.479 my way up to Carl the Kentucky and seen that girl, 53 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.319 and I noticed this gentleman I thought was a gentleman 54 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:12.120 up on the side of the road. It wasn't. I 55 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.280 was kind of confused because this thing had a this 56 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.400 person had a fur coat on, and I'm trying to 57 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.759 figure out why this guy got a fur coat on 58 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.400 the age five degrees out. So when I get it closed, 59 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:26.800 I slowed down and I'm looking out the passenger winda 60 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:32.280 addy and I'm really not knowing understanding what I'm seeing. 61 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.639 This is a large cherry person. After I passed and 62 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:39.919 I sped up a little bit, turned around, come back, 63 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.280 pulled off the side of the road, and actually got 64 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.199 out of the car and followed it down into the 65 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.960 field along the river. There after I crossed. And the 66 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.400 reason I did that is because I had to understand 67 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.439 what I saw. I'm getting, I'm getting ground on it 68 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.240 and stuff like that, and it turned around on me 69 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:03.319 real quick and it snarled crowd and at that time 70 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:04.960 Era I knew it was time to go back to 71 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:10.000 the car. I went back to my parents' house, told 72 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.599 me parents thought I'd been drinking that Mom and Dad 73 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.279 I just left the house. I said, I ain't been 74 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:21.319 gone maybe ten minutes. And so I went back to 75 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.360 my room and there and I sat down and I'm 76 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.160 trying to figure the things out. And my dad comes 77 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.319 in and says, you're going up there to see your girlfriend. 78 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:32.680 I said, Dad, I ain't going nowhere. I said, I'm 79 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:37.079 just a little too shook up right now. And I said, okay. 80 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.560 Left it at that. My parents didn't believe in things 81 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.680 like that, and I really didn't hear growing up. But 82 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.839 after that I went back to the Fort Campbell and 83 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.199 all that time I started digesting everything about the big 84 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:54.480 Foot phenomenon, reaching out to other researchers and reading books 85 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.240 and trying to get anything I can. And one of 86 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.639 the biggest things was at that trimary researchers would not 87 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:05.160 share or want to talk or discuss anything to anybody else. 88 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.639 It was also crypti secretive. Everybody was afraid of you 89 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.480 just want to take their their line life away. When 90 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.600 I started researching and I decided, you know what, I'm 91 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.959 going to start everything I find out, I'm going to 92 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.680 share with everybody, I don't care. And ever since then, 93 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:30.079 that's what I've been doing, is share information anything. Now. 94 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.800 I don't know it all. I'm not an expert, but 95 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.759 I am. I am a seasoned researcher. That's one of 96 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.720 the biggest things that I have right here. I like 97 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:42.560 to help other researchers get started. 98 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.879 Tom, That's great. What a way to start things off 99 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:52.680 for you seeing what you saw that October by the 100 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.240 Ohio River. My goodness, how tall? How tall was what 101 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:56.639 you saw? 102 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.360 To be totally honest, I really couldn't be honest with 103 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.920 you about it. I just knowed it was huge. Honestly, 104 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:07.720 I had a lot of things going on in my 105 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:09.680 mind it this time of trying to figure things out, 106 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.600 and I just know it was huge. It was wider 107 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:18.839 than I was. And I remember, I do remember because 108 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.560 I'm telling this story and everything's coming back, and I can. 109 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:30.800 See the smells and everything for that day, I remember 110 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.439 I was had to look up up. 111 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:34.480 At it in the face. 112 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:43.399 Gotcha. Listeners will know. Just in case someone's not following 113 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:47.839 the map of citing encounters that I have on Big 114 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:52.120 for Society podcast dot com, I want to point out 115 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.720 that this area that you're talking about is just across 116 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.399 the river from southern Indiana that has really come up 117 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.199 on the show quite a bit. If you've heard the 118 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.920 episode about Floyd Knobs Austin Bottoms, that's the area of Indiana, 119 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.240 but across the river a little bit to the west 120 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.040 of where Carrollton is. It looks like it's a little 121 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.439 bit further southwest. But tom after you had this encounter 122 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:21.079 and then you start looking and researching into things. So 123 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.199 was that the thing that pushed you over one hundred 124 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.600 percent into Okay, now I'm going to start going out 125 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.199 there all the time. Or were you still at the 126 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.240 point where you're like, you know what, I'm not quite 127 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.519 sure that I want to go out there and start 128 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:36.040 looking all the time into this. 129 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:40.439 Yet at that time where I needed to know what 130 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.120 I was, I looked at what I saw There was 131 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:48.000 a blank spot there. I saw something that shouldn't be there, 132 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.639 crawling up your tout with evolutions. Staff were not as 133 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.920 humans here. There's nothing else on here. You just got 134 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.639 your cow, your beer and stuff like that. There's not 135 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:05.199 a type of humanoid creature around here. So from my 136 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.800 own state of mind, I had to find out what 137 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.839 I was, what I saw, what I had witnessed. 138 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.199 So you start going out on this really quest figure 139 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.560 out what it is that you saw. You were talking 140 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:27.000 to other people, you were reading books. But then did 141 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.680 you also start to go into these areas to start 142 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.120 to see if you could find this creature again? 143 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.960 Yes? Yeah, Well I was in the service when I 144 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.120 had a lot of time, I could get some a 145 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.440 week off and leave or something like that. I would 146 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:49.919 hop a military flat and go out to worshy State, California, Oregon, Oklahoma, 147 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:56.960 a couple of times, Arkansas. Get some stuff in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan. 148 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.799 It's really good work up in Michigan around Grayland. This 149 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.120 some stuff in Georgia, but it wasn't long term stuff. 150 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.480 I was there like three or four days and got 151 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:12.360 to feel the place. 152 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:18.519 That's interesting. Did you have any things that happened to 153 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:23.759 you in that section of the Pacific Northwest, like your Washington, Oregon, 154 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.039 northern California. Did anything happen to you when you would 155 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.240 go out there, Well. 156 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:31.799 I had some things that happened, but I couldn't say 157 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.720 for sure that it was bigfoot related because I didn't 158 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.639 see it and I couldn't explain what happened. I heard 159 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.120 sounds and stuff like that. Just because you hear something 160 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.759 in the woods doesn't mean it's a big foot absolutely. 161 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.080 So you mentioned this Graylan, Michigan area. What was it 162 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:49.799 that happened up there specifically? 163 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:54.519 I really don't want to talk about that right now, 164 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.679 So I talk to the people I was with. Sure, 165 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.279 I promised them I wouldn't say too much of about it, 166 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.960 But I have been working up in that area. If 167 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.200 there's a military inslation up there, a proving ground like 168 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.879 Oka area, okay, up around that area there, so. 169 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.799 Yeah, we can definitely we'll put to the side, no 170 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.960 problem at all. So, Tom, you're traveling around the US, 171 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.480 it sounds like you're checking out the specific areas that 172 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.519 you know are good. You're having things that might be 173 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.240 considered encounters, but you're you're not having maybe visuals like 174 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:32.000 out in the Pacific Northwest. Was there a time then 175 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.919 where you finally broke through and you're like, oh, I 176 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.120 was able to have another sighting or have something happened 177 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.159 within a shadow of a doubt. Okay, I'm here experiencing 178 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:43.000 this creature again. 179 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.399 When I got out of the service, the traveling thing stopped. 180 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:55.519 I focused my research locally. I went to the Sheriff's department, 181 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.200 I went to the library. Actually, historians in your town, 182 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.120 if you have a historical society, you can look up 183 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:06.120 like here in my county. In nineteen sixty two, there 184 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.120 was an outbreak of a big foot type creature that 185 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:14.279 was terrorizing the county. They call it the thing or 186 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:18.840 the Bedford beast. It looked in windows, It harassed people, 187 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:23.480 It took hogs that killed a calf, livestock. It got 188 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:27.480 so bad that the sheriff formed a posse, a hunting posse, 189 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.039 and the state police joined in. There was a hunting 190 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.120 group out of Louisville TV station, so it hit the ap. 191 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.080 This happened for about thirty days, and then after the 192 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.559 big hunt, I had it cornered back here and we 193 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.919 had what they call the Limestone Caves along the river 194 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:47.720 bank here. One part of the hill I had up 195 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.799 in the area, but they didn't find it. And right 196 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:55.519 after all that happened, it died down. And then periodically 197 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.840 over the years more people had seen things have happened here, 198 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.720 and it maybe want to maybe I just stay in 199 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.919 my own little county here, so if we had all 200 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.840 this stuff going on, maybe find out if there's anything 201 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.799 else going on here in this county. I established myself 202 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.600 here and a lot of people know who I am 203 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:20.120 and what I do, and if they have that encounter, 204 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.080 they will contact me. Or if they know somebody who 205 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.360 mentioned something about an odd thing happening, I said, why 206 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.200 don't you go talk to that man, Tom Shay. He 207 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.080 lives black Blah Black. And I get people here all 208 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:36.440 the time talking to me. So I had a homeowner 209 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:42.960 that thought he saw a bear and it was right 210 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.679 next to my farm, right across the road from my farm, 211 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.200 And can I go back in and look around with it? 212 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.559 He goes there, go ahead. So I went back in 213 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.960 and looked around, and I was righting beflour with him 214 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.120 and going along the access road. Now this was like 215 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.080 in twenty fourteen, and I come across these fresh tracks 216 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.080 that had crossed over this access road, and they were 217 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.720 perfect man, like you said you saw on the ford, 218 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.679 these were perfect prints. And I'm excited, and I'm sitting 219 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.000 down there, and I'm a guy that likes to sit 220 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:23.000 down and note everything about everything that's going on, because 221 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.879 you've got to do that. You got to note every surroundings, 222 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:31.000 the vegetation, the temperatures, the airspeed, what type of terrain substrate. 223 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:33.720 And I'll get about that here in a little bit. 224 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:38.240 But anyway, I've got here and I'm checking these tracks 225 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:41.519 out and I'm measuring, and i'm documenting, and I get 226 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.480 ready to start casting, and I carry a handgun I 227 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.200 always do out in the woods. Not because I'm afraid 228 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.799 of a big pot of there like that. It's I've 229 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.919 actually walked up on homeless people in the woods. You 230 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.720 just don't know what you're going to come up against 231 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.279 the woods. To other people, that's the one thing. And 232 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.399 most of you know that if you got something on 233 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.480 your belt and everything you're trying to cast, it get 234 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.559 in your way all the time. So I took it 235 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.360 off and put it on a four wheeler and it's 236 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.360 thirty thirty yards away for thirty feet thirty thirty speed 237 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.759 and I'm down here on my knees and I'm getting 238 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:20.159 ready to pour this casting material and I got a 239 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.879 whipp something. Oh lord, this thinks man's like some little 240 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:29.799 sefty take. And I had to look up and this 241 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.399 thing had still been in the area and had come back, 242 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.240 and it was on the other side of my four 243 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:40.960 wheeler looking at me. And I sat there and looked 244 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.399 at it while it looked at me, and it appeared 245 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.120 like it was hours, but it was only seconds. And 246 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.440 I tried to figure out what am I going to do? 247 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.159 Am I going to make a dash for my four 248 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.279 whether and get my handgun or just set here? And 249 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.480 I decided I was just gonna sit there and watch 250 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.279 it because I figured that there's no way I make 251 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.879 it time. But like I said, it was just seconds, 252 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:10.320 but it seemed like an eternity. They lost interest in me, 253 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.320 sniffed the air, you know, looked up the air, sniffed, grunted, 254 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:20.240 and started off down the ridge. And I had a 255 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.840 habit of just strimming phones in the field, and my 256 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:27.759 wife got me a cell phone, a slip phone, cheapy, 257 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.360 and at this time here I took the phone out 258 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:35.759 and hit video and I'm actually walking behind it videotaping 259 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.960 it and I'm not paying attention. Yeah, I mean, my 260 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.120 focus is on it, but I'm after the phone up 261 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:48.320 and I'm recording. So after it went over the ridge 262 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.480 and disappeared, I jumped on the foe where I left 263 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.320 everything from a wood and went back to the to 264 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.919 my home, went to the house and my wife knew 265 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.440 I had. I was excited so scause you got something 266 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.159 on your phone. Yeah, And I downloaded on the computer 267 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.480 so I can watch it. And as soon as it 268 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.039 came up, my wife says, that was the best share 269 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:16.480 to ever bought. You. In the confusion, I had actually 270 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:22.080 reversed the camera and was spending myself while I was 271 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:27.759 following it. Now I tell people this part, and it's funny. 272 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.240 It wasn't funny then, but I had big alligator cares 273 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.639 of my eyes. But I tell people this because in 274 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.080 the heat of the moment, things happen. You don't think, 275 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.559 and I wasn't thinking. Uh, you just tell people, Tell 276 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:50.559 other researchers this because they can learn from my mistake. 277 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.360 Maybe they'll get the photo or the video, they'll calm 278 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.120 down a little bit. But there's been other occasions where 279 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.119 me and my team have seen them, and we sit 280 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.599 there and watch them for a couple of minutes. And 281 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.079 the next thing was nobody decided to take out a phone. 282 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.400 Why because we're too immersed and we're looking at what 283 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:20.319 we're seeing. That's that's it. 284 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:28.279 Wow, Tom, that's yeah. I cannot imagine going through that. 285 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.960 How far away was it from you when you were 286 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:32.640 filming it? 287 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.319 It was a little bit further away for me. It 288 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.440 wasn't as as it was bottom four wheelers. 289 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.559 I got some distance, gotcha. 290 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.759 I would say about eighty feet maybe foot. 291 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.599 Yeah, that's still all right. How big were the tracks? 292 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:53.880 It was leaving. 293 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.880 Eighteen and a half inches And these are the ones 294 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.839 we called Goliath? Can we seeing the other times in 295 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.519 that same areage? Actually on my farm, it's pond. There's 296 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.240 a big footprint, two big footprints that we got it 297 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.400 by the bank, and a big handprint. And what we 298 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:13.640 think was it stopped there at the pond and squad 299 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.279 it put one hand down and was drinking from the pond. 300 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.240 And I chasted that one of the prints in one 301 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.160 of the hands. 302 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.440 So how big a cross? Remind me? Because I know 303 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.480 I've seen these, but it's been a few years. How 304 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:31.039 big across is your hand cast of Cliath. 305 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.119 It's really huge, But you've got to understand something. There's 306 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.720 a lot of exaggeration because of the silk that didn't 307 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.519 put its hand down. It was the damage to weight 308 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.519 and dispersed out, and it maybe it looked like it 309 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.039 were a giant, but it really ain't. It really 't 310 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:53.079 that big. The hand is really not that big. It's 311 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.079 just the damage did when it's silk, and it was 312 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.200 the weight, thespersal of the substrate and the way in 313 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:06.039 my hand if you open, you're both hands up and 314 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.400 put your thumbs overlap each other. That's about how wide 315 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:09.839 it is. 316 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:12.200 Okay, that makes sense. 317 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:18.000 Maybe twelve inches. I'm just off the top of my head. 318 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:20.400 I'm saying that, but I'm not really sure because it's 319 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:22.720 not in front of me. Yeah. 320 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.000 Absolutely look here with. 321 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.160 All my notations in it, and I could look it up, 322 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.880 but I don't have it here looking right at the moment. 323 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.160 How tall is Goliath. 324 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.079 Nine and a half foot? And how we did that 325 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.440 was I had a friend that was a researcher too, 326 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.839 that worked with me. We went back after that that 327 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.440 next day and I was down where I was casting 328 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.039 at and he went over to where it was at, 329 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.759 and we used a yardstick and lifted up a high 330 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.000 and we got a vestment of nine and a half 331 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:06.559 foot that way. Wow, it was standing and where I 332 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.400 was there on my knees casting up print, and I 333 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.440 could tell when I looked just alid, I could tell 334 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:17.640 where the head touched the branch behind it. And that's 335 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.519 how I used it as a reference. So that's how 336 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.039 we got the reference point on that. 337 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:29.079 Being able to just look at it for a short 338 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:31.599 bit of time. But you just you said you looked 339 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.839 at it and you're just taking it in. Do you 340 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:39.319 remember any details from the face when you were able 341 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:40.680 to just look at it? 342 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.240 Yes, I actually just sketched the face. It was more 343 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.559 it wasn't a monkey like, it wasn't gorilla like. It 344 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:51.000 was more manliked. They had a note supposed to a 345 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.319 flat flat nose, not real flat and all. Actually, I'll 346 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.160 tell you what I actually when I cat when I 347 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:01.200 sketched it the picture right after I saw it, because 348 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.799 I had it fresh in my mind and I sketched it. 349 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:12.400 Cliff has it in his museum, the original hanging in 350 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.240 the museum with the sketch of Goliath. 351 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.960 I actually I have seen that. I was just there 352 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.640 out in July, so I know exactly what you're talking about. 353 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:21.720 That. 354 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.720 Yeah, that's awesome. What kind of head shape did it have? 355 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.240 From what you remember, it really didn't have that much 356 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:31.759 of a comb, but it was a large head, large cheek, bones, 357 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.359 had had a really nice brow. Have you seen these 358 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.720 things like the pictures of n Neanderthals like that with 359 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.599 a lot of hair. And the one thing about this 360 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.319 when you hear about Glass is he's reddish and brawn 361 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.920 and as everybody ever sees a picture of Patty with 362 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:55.960 black short, really nice coat of hair, Goliath didn't have that. 363 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.799 He had matted hair, had bris and the hair and 364 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.160 stuff like that. I could tell that it wasn't chepped up. 365 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:04.960 It was likely something that would live in the woods. 366 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:13.880 What kind of let's say, what kind of muscular structure 367 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.720 was glith? Is he a very muscular individual or sometimes 368 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.079 you have big foot sightings and they're more lean and 369 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:21.839 not entirely muscular. 370 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.400 He's pretty stout. He had a chest that would you 371 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.359 put two men in it. Two big men showed their lives. 372 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:34.160 It was wide shoulders, it was muscular, It wasn't it 373 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.960 wasn't the superhero type stuff you look at, but you 374 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:39.200 could tell it was it was muscular. 375 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.720 Did you notice anything about its hands or arms at all? 376 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.759 No, I mostly focused on the face. The one thing 377 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.079 about growing up in a farm when you have chattle 378 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.880 and stuff like that. Like wolves, when they get ready 379 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:02.720 to charge you, they'll close their eyes, and the same 380 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.680 way with scenes when they get ready to lunch, they blink, 381 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.759 will get right before they do anything. So I was 382 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.039 watching the eyes in the face, wonder of it was 383 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.319 going to charge me or what. 384 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:19.480 So did it have any emotion in its face while 385 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:20.200 you were watching it? 386 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:23.079 Not really? 387 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:29.119 No, No, And the eyes you mentioned you were looking 388 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.079 at the eyes, were the eyes where they were all 389 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.279 one color or did they have whites around the edges? 390 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:42.279 They were dark? There was I to be honest, they 391 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.200 were dark. It looks soulless, but that could because of 392 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.519 the shadow it was ave or whatever the lighting had. 393 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.960 So you mentioned that this individual has also been seen 394 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:54.720 multiple times around the same area. 395 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.279 Yes, yes, I have multiple castings at different times of 396 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.359 the life. And how we do that is is a cliff. 397 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.519 Late doctor Milturn taught me this little trick is that 398 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:13.759 the big toe you can always tell the big toe 399 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.440 of each individual. The big toe what's on the story. 400 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.799 Nobody has the same type toe structure. So the life 401 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:27.720 has this arrowhead type toe big toe. So that's how 402 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:33.119 we figure out that's Goliath. The minitarsal break has that 403 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.440 same push off and stuff flexibility. 404 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.880 That's really interesting. Have the footprints changed in any ways 405 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.640 over the years or have they been pretty consistent the 406 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:46.599 way it looks. 407 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.640 They have changed. Of course, princes are going to change anyway. 408 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.759 When you cast them. They're going to be up here 409 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.240 bigger or smaller or narrower. It all depends on the 410 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.000 substrate and how wet and how oh they are. Because 411 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:05.839 in the winter time they freeze, they expand and then shrink. 412 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.519 And because the freezing effect and then the summertime from 413 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.480 drying out and getting wet don't do the same thing. 414 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.599 You don't have different things. But that's the way. You 415 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.119 have to take notes and note everything in your footprint 416 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:24.440 where you cast it. Then after you cast it, didn't 417 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.960 you go over your cast and they're like that study 418 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:32.079 it more in detail. Now we do have some juveniles 419 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:37.279 that it's in the area, and I have one footprint 420 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.839 of it about six seven years ago, and then another one. 421 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.279 I think it was four years after that they had 422 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.079 extremely it got a little larger and stuff as they grow, 423 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.720 the same individual because the toe structure was the same. 424 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.319 And I believe I just got another one here just recently. 425 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.799 I think it is the same individual. I haven't cleaned 426 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.240 the cast up yet. I'm still letting it cheer and 427 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.160 then I'll go from there. 428 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.480 Can you share a little bit about what the other 429 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.799 interactions have been like with Goliath? Have they been similar 430 00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:20.160 to your interaction or have different things happened? 431 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.799 At one time it walked up on me. The other 432 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.279 times people have seen it, and I think we actually 433 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.880 saw it once more a couple of years ago in 434 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:44.480 a creek bed. It was in standing in the creek. 435 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.839 I got a video of that, but it's really hard 436 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.440 to see because well we was and where it was. 437 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.440 You can see it walk out and. 438 00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:03.359 It was just a little too far away. 439 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.200 But other people have seen what they I think it's 440 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.720 a liar being curious moving through. I think he's just 441 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.119 one of the biggest males here in the county. And 442 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.440 mostly all the time they ever see this big one 443 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.359 is he's alone. He's not with a group or anything 444 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.279 like that. He's always solitary. 445 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.400 That's a pattern I've heard before. Do you have any 446 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.279 thoughts about why he is probably more a solitary individual 447 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.359 than rather in a group, like a family group. 448 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.680 I believe he's one of them. He's an alpha male. 449 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.359 My opinion is I believe the females are actually the 450 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:57.240 ones that are more active or in the family groups, 451 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:03.079 and I just think that the male wander. That's my opinion. 452 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.240 That's interesting. So active, Like how in let's say, like 453 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.440 the lion species you have, the female lions are or 454 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.599 the lionesses are more They'll be out getting the food, 455 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:17.480 being more active that way. 456 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.039 Yeah, okay, I like you. 457 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.279 That's cool. That's cool. Over you say, thirty eight years, 458 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:29.039 is this very long time to have things happen. Has 459 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.640 there ever been an experience or an encounter where you 460 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.720 did not really feel comfortable with what was going on 461 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.160 and if you could have gotten out of there at 462 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.359 the same minute, let's get out of here. 463 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:48.559 Another tough one. Yeah. 464 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:57.599 Yeah, there's just say that a lot of these people 465 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.359 walk around and say, all my years, I've never heard 466 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.799 of anybody hurt anybody or anything like that. 467 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.000 They're not violent, And there had been some violent tendencies 468 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.880 that we have witnessed. I have witnessed. I was in 469 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.400 Henry County, Kentucky. I gentleman called meet and I think 470 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:23.440 I got these giant monkeys living on my place. And 471 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.039 I said, really yeah, and I said, talk, come out 472 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:28.880 and check it out. He goes, yeah, come on out. 473 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.920 And I went out there and most people say giant monkeys. 474 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.359 I have to go out and I have to check 475 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.680 the place out. After there's so been so many places 476 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.240 I have gone that people I said, they've seen something 477 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:43.880 and it was just a shadow paradolia. They're seeing things 478 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.640 in the woods that ain't there. I never found no plants, 479 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.319 I've never found no evidence and stuff like that. So 480 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.799 I go out there and I check it out before 481 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:58.680 I do a full expedition. So we're back here on 482 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.799 his land. We're back in from the far way back 483 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.599 in there, and so far there's a little bit of sign, 484 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:10.119 but I can't really be certain. And they were starting 485 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.759 to get late, and I said, I said, I'll tell 486 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.160 you what I said. I'll bring my team out this 487 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.319 weekend and we'll come out on our way back. You 488 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:22.599 start getting dark and uh, and we'll be honest with you. 489 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.599 We were surrounded by something. We couldn't see them, but 490 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:35.799 we had stuff beating the ground, screaming, beating their chest, 491 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.079 throwing stuff at. 492 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.240 Us, and we would move one hundred yards to two 493 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.400 hundred yards, and then all of a sudden, boots all 494 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.640 start over again, more stuff throw those chest beating. 495 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:54.200 Screaming, pounding the ground. And the only thing I had 496 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:56.200 was one of these little flashlights. I didn't have a 497 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.440 day one erthing like that. And I couldn't You couldn't 498 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.319 see them. There was far enough back into vegetation where 499 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:08.720 they couldn't We couldn't see nothing. And this kept happening 500 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.079 all the time. He was coming back to the house. 501 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.359 We get back to the house, his house, and he 502 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.359 looks at me and it all stops. There. We have 503 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.200 a big there's a big security light there at the house, 504 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.720 and there it stops. Nothing's going on now. And he 505 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.319 looks at me. Because we want me to do I said, 506 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.440 go inside, lock your door, and don't come out until 507 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:35.279 in the morning. And I came home, I got my car, 508 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:40.480 came home h and my wife was still up and 509 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.039 she goes, what do you say, I said, I quit. 510 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:53.079 I said, I'm not going back out. Yeah, the first 511 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.599 time in my life I have ever been so scared. 512 00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.440 That's something that I could not see or could not 513 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.640 deal with. If I can see it and I know 514 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.359 what it is, I can deal with it. I'm pretty 515 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.039 I might not survive. I can have a pretty good chance. 516 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.799 I didn't know what I was dealing with. We had 517 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.079 to basic chest beating. We had pounding on the screaming 518 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.960 a three minute staff at us I mean it. And 519 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.359 I did some little research after that. It was like 520 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:38.359 chimpanzees at war when it something that invade their territory, 521 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.680 and then that's suing what it was. And there was 522 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.559 a three month period that I wouldn't go out I did. 523 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.640 I told my team, I said I quit. And it 524 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:59.519 was John Gregory, m in chief Ofton and Dusty Ruth 525 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.519 and actually the rest of my team that got me 526 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.960 back out in the field. And I'll tell you what 527 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:16.039 that first night in the field, I was so uncomfortable 528 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:17.640 because of what had happened. 529 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:24.240 If that thing could expoot me, and to this day, 530 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.559 I am not comfortable in being out in the woods 531 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.759 by myself. 532 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.079 Since that happened. Now, if I have to, I will. 533 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:40.599 I'm looking for tracks or but usually I take somebody 534 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.000 with me. 535 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.440 Did you ever go back to that same spot after 536 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:45.920 you started back up again? 537 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.400 I did, and got ready to go back into it 538 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.039 and back out. And I'm not ashamed to tell you. Yeah, 539 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:04.079 I mean that place bothered me. And I swear any 540 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.559 other researcher go out and have something like that happen, 541 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:17.159 I want to see how they react. Yeah, it brings 542 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.920 up from me. It's a really rough right now talking 543 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.159 about it, because it does. It does mess with you. 544 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.840 I appreciate you bringing that up. I know things like 545 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.199 that are extremely hard to talk about. I not experience 546 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.400 that myself, but I can only imagine that property owner 547 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.679 had the property owner actually had visuals of anything on 548 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.840 the property or was it a thing where it was 549 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.639 unseen to that person as well. 550 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.840 No, he's all monkeys. He's all actually said, it's all 551 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:56.760 our monkeys. That was the reason why I went out there, 552 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.440 because he said the larger monkeys. But still, you go 553 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:05.559 out there, the expectations is going to be nothing. When 554 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.599 I go out on a site. When somebody sees something, 555 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.320 my first thing is tell me your story and stuff 556 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.719 like that. Okay, you can tell me your story, Okay, 557 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.920 I want to listen to you and I'll take it. 558 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.000 But in order for your story to have validation, I 559 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.880 have to have some type of evidence. So that's why 560 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.239 I have to go out and see if I can 561 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.000 find a book, I can find anything. 562 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.679 Yeah, that was actually I was going to ask you that. 563 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.599 Next is do you have a checklist for a place 564 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.440 to pass before you can launch an actual full expedition 565 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.199 into it? And so is the checklist pretty much? You 566 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.360 have to find some piece of evidence or are there 567 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.400 other things as well? 568 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.800 We have to find some type of time, some type 569 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.840 of evidence. If I don't find I've been I've been 570 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.519 to some properties, step out and walk maybe thirty yards 571 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.360 into the woods, and I turned around, told you guys, 572 00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.440 is that there's no sense. I said, it's gonna be 573 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.079 a wasted weekend here. There's no you're telling me that 574 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.119 there's a big foot here, and we would stick it out. 575 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.719 We stayed the weekend and nothing happened, and the homeowner, 576 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.800 the property owner be set in there with is I 577 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.880 don't know, they usually coming out about this time. And 578 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.679 then there's other times we were set up on a 579 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.079 property and the homeowner will be set there with propy 580 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.519 owner around the fire and stuff like that and there 581 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.960 would be this down hear that that's it, that's the 582 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.840 big Foot, and it'd be a fox. 583 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.960 Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a 584 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.400 good rule to follow. It puts you in the areas 585 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.519 where you're going to have a much much higher chance 586 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:51.320 of having something legitimate happen. You are definitely known for 587 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:57.119 casting tracks. Usually when people are mentioning Tom Shay, they're 588 00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.960 either talking about Goliath or they're talking about the track 589 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.119 that you've cast. Do you have any advice about how 590 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.599 to cast a good track to people that might not 591 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.719 be pretty good at it yet? 592 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:16.239 Yeah? The best advice I can give you is if 593 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.639 you want to learn how to really cast and all 594 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:26.760 types of substrates, wet snow, any practice, and it's gonna 595 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:31.519 cost you some money, but practice. I go to Low's 596 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.440 here or Minards, picked me up a twenty five pound 597 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.760 bag of plaster. I go out here, kill me up 598 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.480 a piece of a six ft by six foot place. 599 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.719 Kill it up out there, and I go out and 600 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.119 now walk in it all one day. Wise dry go 601 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.519 out there, and the next day go out there, put 602 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.960 water it down, a little good money walk through so 603 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.719 I can judge how much mix. I got to use 604 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.760 the ratio of the water water for the substract, how 605 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.199 wet it is and stuff. It takes time to learn this, 606 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.119 but when you learn it, you when you're out in 607 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.360 the field, you can actually look at the substrate and say, Okay, 608 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.199 I don't need all this water here. I just have 609 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.159 to use twenty percent of it, not all of it, 610 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.960 because how wet it is. Ask questions other researchers who 611 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:28.039 actually tast. There's a good video on YouTube of a 612 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:36.639 gentleman showing how to tast. It's a tracking video and 613 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.039 they cast the prints and they show you how to tast, 614 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.000 and he even tells you that sometimes it looks like 615 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.239 pancake mixed when you mix, but there's other times that 616 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.280 you're going to have to The mix is gonna have 617 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.159 to be a little thicker or a little thinner, and 618 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.840 you on the substrate, you know the type of trint 619 00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.719 you get here. Recently, I've been practicing in casting in 620 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.440 real thin fine footprints that you find. You get that 621 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:11.639 powdery stuff sometimes and something we'll s it you. So 622 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:18.679 I'm practicing with that right now. But yeah, that's it 623 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.039 practice and practice. 624 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.440 I'd say that's great advice. And also I think this 625 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:29.000 is with anything to be in the attitude where you 626 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:30.639 never want to be in the attitude or say Okay, 627 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.400 I made it. That's not a good place to be. 628 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.719 You're constantly practicing, you're constantly improving in craft. It sounds 629 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.920 like that's where you are, and I would recommend people 630 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.039 to be in that mindset with whatever they are doing. 631 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.000 Is there a certain way that you a certain type 632 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.840 of thing you do where you are attempting to have 633 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.920 interactions with bigfoot that you find to be most successful. 634 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.840 For example, some people are knocking on trees while some 635 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.800 other people are let's just put a chair down and 636 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.280 what's sitting in the area and see what happens. 637 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.000 We don't run around at night time. We don't beat 638 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.400 on trees, we don't do what we don't do calls 639 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.599 or nothing like that. Oh whoops. What we do is no, 640 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.159 I call my my not an organization. We call a 641 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.760 group because each individual in the group has a searching 642 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.719 skill that they dot, audio, video, stuff like that. So 643 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.079 when we got in the field, we got We don't 644 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.920 sleep in tents because if you're in a tent and 645 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.480 you got activity going on, you're gonna have to get up, 646 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.480 bumble with the zipper, try to get out and by 647 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.199 the time you're out and get your gear, everything's done. 648 00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:49.639 It's gone. We put up canopies. We put a couple 649 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.320 out on the edge of the camp. We got like 650 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.119 sentinels out there. We're like siminels. They take turns at night. 651 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.000 Everybody else is at camp. We're talking. Try to entice 652 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.239 these things. They find this cheerious and they will come 653 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.320 up to the to the edge of the camp. And 654 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.159 that's why we got these guys out here in these 655 00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.440 chairs zero gravity chairs. We sleep in zero gravity chairs 656 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.199 all the time. All our equipment set right next to us, 657 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.559 so if something happens, we can reach down, grab it 658 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.960 and we're filming. We got the audio going. That's it. 659 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.599 Because you can trim down of a tent, you know 660 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.480 you're gonna be on your hands and knees crawling out. 661 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.239 You're gonna try to get We won't be able to 662 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.480 see three hundred and sixty degrees. That's why we're under 663 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:41.159 a champion, and these things will come up. We had 664 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.400 one one time. I had a group out and my 665 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.320 responsibility in the group is to keep everybody, make sure 666 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:51.280 everybody's safe. Makeure everybody's got water doing okay medical wise, 667 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.199 and like that. The guys I have out on the 668 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.840 edge of camp and they're throning stuff like that. If 669 00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:01.639 anything happens, they can call me. And I was up 670 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.800 there checking everybody by the fire and stuff like that, 671 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:12.559 just be yesing like after you do it a camp, Dusty, 672 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.800 go back here. It's the tom You to come over here, Mick, 673 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.320 and I can't otherwise. What's up, Dusty? And he goes, 674 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.960 I got this thing, come up to see the signature. 675 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.239 Came up and stood up, and this hasn't moved, but 676 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.039 once you take a look at it. So I grabbed 677 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.320 my thermal and I'm soonering out there and I said, oh, yeah, 678 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:36.199 I see it, and about that time it moves, so 679 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.320 it's billy. It went down on all fours and it's 680 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.079 belly crawled all the way up to us. And it 681 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.119 gets to a certain point where the creek is and 682 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.480 it's inside this creek up on by the bench and 683 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.559 we're watching it. And we sat there and watched it 684 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.960 while it watched us for two and a half hours. 685 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.079 Now I have affidavits and everybody was there and watched it. 686 00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.400 They rode up the thing and signed it. We all 687 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.960 saw this and we all filmed it on our things. 688 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.000 One of my guys wanted to go down and actually 689 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:11.719 get close to it. Now I tell them, no, well there, 690 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.119 this is what this is is we're going to watch. 691 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.800 So for about two and a half hours, right, I 692 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.679 watched us and we watched it, and we're taking notes 693 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.719 at this time here in video and audio, and it disappears. 694 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.880 And what happened was it's down into that creek bed 695 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.159 and we lost it in that creek bed. The next 696 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.679 day we got up when a thermal you can't judge distance. 697 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.960 We were surprised to find out that this thing was 698 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.519 only like three car links from us. That's how close 699 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:59.519 it was. Three carlinks. So yeah, we just set we 700 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.840 don't do it. Calls, we don't do that. We do 701 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.159 not do nothing in parts state parks and nothing or 702 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.960 natural forces. The simple fact is, I tell my crew, 703 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:16.639 is they're contaminated because like Mammoth K, we've got researchers 704 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.719 in Mammoth K at one end and the other end. 705 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.440 I believe that you've got all these researchers in there, 706 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.079 and you've got them over beeting on trees. We're making 707 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.400 whooping calls and stuff like that, and you're picking this up. 708 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.840 You don't know if it's an actual foot or all 709 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.280 of these research people. So we do it on private property. 710 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.000 Nobody knows we go into this property, nobody knows where 711 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.679 we're at, and most places we go at it's so 712 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.840 we have to use side by sides to get back 713 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:54.440 in there. And there's no electricity. It's all primitive. There's nothing. 714 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.639 And if anybody is back there trying to screw with 715 00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.840 us at night when it's dark, they're not using apply 716 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.239 then they got X ray vision they can see at 717 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:05.360 night and for red visions. 718 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.719 Yeah, wow, Tom, that I was not expecting to hear that. 719 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:16.039 That's zero gravity chairs, no tent. This super gutsy dude. 720 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.880 So you have it. I'm guessing some kind of canopy 721 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:24.559 over the chairs though, when you're sleeping in them. Yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha. 722 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.559 Always sometimes there's always two people on watch. Everybody else 723 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.000 can get some rest and stuff. You got two people now, 724 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.639 the way it is when everybody is relaxed and everything, 725 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.840 but when things happen, everybody knows what to do, and 726 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.280 mean it's everybody's on the ball. They're doing their job. 727 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:48.800 You know, the fun and games is over with. Everybody's 728 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:53.679 doing their job and it's all scientifically based. It's not hearsay. 729 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.159 If we get something, we have to have it on camera, 730 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.440 we have to have it moving on camera like that, 731 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.480 we have to have some type of physical evidence. The 732 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.440 next day we go down, we look, we find the 733 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.159 footprints or something like that. We document all that, we 734 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.880 make castings. Okay, all this is done. It's all you 735 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:18.159 can't say I saw this to somebody and not have 736 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:22.599 the evidence. I can go out here and tell you 737 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.440 all day long. I saw one up bro on the 738 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.679 hill day. Did you go up and check the foot prints? No, 739 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.280 because I know they're there. I look at that there 740 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.000 as okay, you're just telling me you saw something up there, 741 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.440 but you didn't go up there to check and make 742 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.320 sure it was something. I asked him, was like, we're 743 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.639 you afraid to and no, I just know they're here. Okay, 744 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:54.039 show me some evidence. I'm sorry. In the last thirty 745 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:01.679 eight years, I've built with some really strange people, and 746 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.800 I take everybody's citing seriously. Even though I find some 747 00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:13.360 out lavishly stories. There was some really easy, wild stories, 748 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.679 but I documented because you never know things down the 749 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:25.280 road might happen again it's from somebody else. But here's 750 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.760 one I heard. This witness was telling me that they 751 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.000 saw this thing come out in a field, had a 752 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.800 flying saucer come down, and this alien came out, and 753 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.920 this people came out and they come up close to 754 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.719 each other. They did a bun, a chest bunk, and 755 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.440 a high five and walked off in the woods together. 756 00:47:48.679 --> 00:48:01.159 Now, this was a witness telling me this, HM tell 757 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.480 me you can figure out what you thought about that. 758 00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:08.119 Story, gotcha, that's a pretty intense one that kind of 759 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.440 reminds me more like southwest Pennsylvania stuff. To be honest, 760 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.119 I do want to circle back to it at the 761 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.599 end of our chat here because I think it could 762 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.400 be really helpful for a lot of people. And it's 763 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:26.400 that kind of figure out the stuff that's in your 764 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.239 own area. And it reminds me of something that Lyle 765 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.679 Blackburn told me during I interviewed him a few years 766 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.679 because he pretty much, you need to make sure you're 767 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.360 the expert for the weird stuff in your area. And 768 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.000 it really makes sense because there's a good chance no 769 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.079 one else is going to take the time to do it. 770 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.280 When you were starting to. You're at the point where 771 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.599 people know to talk to Tom Shay for certain counties. 772 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.360 If you see something that's like a bigfoot, go to Tomshay. 773 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.079 Was it when you were first starting to do that. 774 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.519 Were you going to police departments and being like, Hey, 775 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.320 I'm Tom Shay, I'd research big fight. If you get 776 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.639 any anything, here's my card. Were you doing stuff like 777 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.719 that or do you have any advice If a person 778 00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.599 is trying to become that person for their area in 779 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.719 the country, what are things that they could do to 780 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.559 get their name out there to the right people. 781 00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.760 Yeah, to go to your police department, go to your 782 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.480 local shriff department, talk to your emergency management. You're a 783 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.960 judge execut like, we have good execs here. Talk to them, 784 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.840 tell them what you do and stuff like that. And 785 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.320 if you hear anybody has any old stories, haven't come 786 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.079 to me. It's keep me in mind. It's just like 787 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:42.360 the LBL. Now, when that story came out and stuff. 788 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.440 I went down there and I was in the LBL 789 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.400 for a little bit and I focused mostly on the story. 790 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.519 So I went to every place the newspapers. I went 791 00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:04.079 to shriff department, state police, everything, hospitals and nobody knew 792 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:14.800 nothing about this massacre at LBL and I can't remember 793 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.239 who it was, but it was I think it was 794 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.199 a county official said all that was just made up 795 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:27.360 for tourism to get people in here. And I didn't 796 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:32.599 find anything, not even in the newspaper the area, or 797 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.199 the police apartment. The share a department looked at me like, 798 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.199 can stay please to you're talking about you've got to 799 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.559 actually go out and research this place, research the area 800 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.800 and something like that comes up. You know, did dive 801 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.519 into it really good. One of the best places to 802 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.719 go is if you have a restaurant of you know, 803 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.280 a country restaurant in your town or something like that. 804 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.880 To everybody congregates in the morning, drink coffee and get 805 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:09.960 in there. And most of the older gentlemen do. That's 806 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:11.280 when you want to go in there and you say 807 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.360 to that drink coffee and look. Listen to the stories 808 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:19.639 they're telling each other, strange chattel mutilations that happened and 809 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:25.760 something broke into my corn crib. And listen to those stories. 810 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.119 And then you get a chance invite yourself into that 811 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.400 story and talk to them. You know, excuse me, I 812 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.000 will heard you say that, do you tell me what 813 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.119 you're talking about, be polite and if they reject you 814 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:48.280 being there and then back off, and that's how you 815 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:48.880 want to do it. 816 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.760 I think that's great advice. When you're talking to like 817 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.840 law enforcement departments and things like that, do you recommend 818 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.760 talking to them face to face in person rather than 819 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.039 over the phone, or do you have any thoughts about that? 820 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.719 So go to the office. Now, you might have to 821 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.239 do that like several times, because the reception is whoever 822 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.079 it is it's in charge after you will probably or 823 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.079 who there was reading the desk will probably show you away. 824 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.039 But you keep going back and finally you'll get some information. 825 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.679 Gotcha look at you like you're crazy anyway. 826 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.719 Yeah, that's awesome. It makes sense to persistence and niceness 827 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.119 is a is a great combination, I think. 828 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.079 So. 829 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.800 I think that's some good advice for you to give out. 830 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.639 But Tom, this has been just I think a really 831 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.599 good conversation. A lot of stuff that people can take 832 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:56.320 away from this chat to either start into the Bigfoot 833 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.719 subject or to become better. I want to make sure 834 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.920 that you have the time to share if there are 835 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.039 ways that people can keep up to date with what 836 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.920 you're doing, or if there's certain things that you want 837 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.159 them to check out about your work that you've done, 838 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.039 things like that, feel free to share those at this time. 839 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.760 Yeah, I just looked me up on the Facebook I 840 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.000 run in order to detect a Bigfoot research group on Facebook. 841 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.840 Anytime we ever do anything, we get any type of 842 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:35.679 verified evidence, we'll post it. If you have questions, you 843 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:40.000 can ask questions. A lot of knowledgeable people on that 844 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:47.079 site that will give you an answer. And there's no bickering, 845 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.360 no nothing, there's no fun making or nothing like that. 846 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:55.800 It's all science based. We're not running a fairy tale thing. 847 00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.360 We're running things that we have actual evidence that has 848 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.079 been collected, a whole lot of experience people what is 849 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:11.159 in this sight? Even my team people are most are 850 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.519 really And the one thing I like about my team 851 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.119 is they're not a yes ma'am, yes serve type of deal. 852 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.719 It's all big Foot. If I say something, somebody will 853 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.920 question me. That's what I want. I want to be 854 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.599 questioned why do I believe this happened? And I'll explain 855 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.639 so just because like I've told anybody else, I don't 856 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:41.639 know it all. I'm still wondering. But yeah, and you 857 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.719 can look me up on Facebook two or if you 858 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:48.280 got my get my email from there and stuff like that, 859 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:53.440 and you can friend me ask me questions to help 860 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.760 you out any way I can't anybody. 861 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.679 Tom. That's great. I will definitely have the link to 862 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.079 that group down in the description for this episode so 863 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.519 people can find that easily. But I appreciate you coming 864 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.320 on today and thank you so much. Best of luck 865 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.840 in the future with your future investigations, and I hope 866 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.280 they are very fruitful for you. Thank you for coming 867 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:26.039 on the show today, Tom, Thank you sir. Before we 868 00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.559 wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to 869 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.960 a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, 870 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.760 any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that 871 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.639 no one can explain, or if you're a National park 872 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.960 ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, 873 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.920 or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on 874 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.320 the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, 875 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.719 or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not 876 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.039 allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, 877 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.480 or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found 878 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:03.079 tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry, 879 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.920 on a remote oil field or a trucker with government 880 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.639 contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told 881 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.280 a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, 882 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.840 or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence 883 00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.599 you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, 884 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.880 or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something 885 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.360 that shook your faith, or if you work in the 886 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.920 shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen 887 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.719 what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, 888 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:41.599 even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot 889 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.840 Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear 890 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.719 what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone. 891 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:55.039 You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you 892 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.599 in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode 893 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.039 of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every Encounter Share reminds us 894 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.400 that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, 895 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.400 and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the 896 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.639 tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure 897 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.360 to subscribe to the channel on YouTube. Hit the bells, 898 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.639 you don't miss the next episode and share this with 899 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:18.559 a friend who's into mysteries, monsters or the unexplained. 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