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Speaker 1: You're listening to seven Sanctum and the Parlement you keep

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ready on your.

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Speaker 2: Hello. I'm Kerrie Ann and welcome. This is seventh Sanctum.

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Thank you so much for joining us this evening, and

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today we are joined by my usual co host Natalie.

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Hello Natalie, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am all right, still defrosting after doing the horses

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in the cold.

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Speaker 2: But it definitely has got to that time of year,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's snow.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have not ready for that. It's not ready

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for that.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, we've gone from having quite a mild winter,

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so just wearing card against the snow.

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Speaker 3: What well, what day? But yes, but.

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Speaker 2: We've been enjoying this evening with Graham Gardener. Thank you

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Graham for joining us.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: And I have finouncial last name correctly, haven't I Gardener?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh perfect. I'm always aware that a mispronounced name sometimes,

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so I'd like to make sure I've got that right.

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Thank you so much for joining us. It's really really

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nice to have you with us and really looking forward

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to know a lot about you. When we have guests

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that come onto the show, we always start on a

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kind of an overview a little bit about you and

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what led you to talking to us tonight, your journey

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a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, well, I presume you're wanting to chrism me

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on my doz acknowledge and my experiences in that field.

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I kind of got into this when I was in

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my teenage years, which was way back in the last century,

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and I read I've been reading what's of books just

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trying to find my way in the world and look

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for a path to follow, and a few of the

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books I came across were those about dozing. So there

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was also at that time you used to see the

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odd article on television about it. I particularly remember Tomorrow's

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World segment, you know, in the Science program, where they

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were showing the military doing some dowsing for explosives. So

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I thought, well, this is interesting. I should give this

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a shot. So I went and made myself a pair

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of angle rods, was using a pair of wire coat

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hangers that I stole of the wardrobe and put in

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a couple of plastic viral pencases, and I went out

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on my bicycle to you know, find some hilch to practice,

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and proved to my own satisfaction, I was dowsing for water,

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and it all went on from there. I didn't really think,

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you know, living in Scotland as I do, that there

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was much of a career as a water diviner because

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you know, we're not short of water up here, so

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I didn't really do a lot with it. I would

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do a little bit of pendulum dowsing maybe, but not

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in any serious way. I used to read tarot cars

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quite a lot. I would use say the pendulum in

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conjunction with that. And it wasn't really until I, uh

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in nineteen ninety nine when I went down to Cornwall

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to see the total sold eclipse then and we were

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staying at an Oak Dragon Camp, which was a geomancy

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themed camp, and I met lots of dowsers there from

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the British Society of Dowsers, And that was when I

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sort of realized that all these things I've been doing

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all these years, like you know, I always like going

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around ancient sites and stone circles and exploring these alternative

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energies and things. I realized all these things could be

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held under this banner of geomancy, which is not a

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time I do some till that point. So that was

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where it all came together for me really and I

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signed up to do some training with Sega Wondergrant and

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Patrick mcmanaway, who were two of the facilitators of the

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Oak Dragon Camp at that time, and I went on

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to some professional training with them. That was about eighteen

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months or so down in Glastonbury. On and off. It

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was several long weekends and after that I joined the

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British Society of dose Uts. A couple of years later

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I find myself co opted as a trustee and council member.

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Five years later I find myself being elected president. So

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do it really does often doors for you. It really

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does change your life.

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Speaker 3: It is a career path in the end.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's something like that. I wouldn't call it h

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It's not exactly playing the bills. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's more of a vocational thing rather than a mundetary thing,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Dowsing Yeah, completely, The whole gemoance thing is a completely

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vocational It's a calling to go and do it.

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Speaker 3: I have to admit the old coat hanger dowsing rods

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amused me because that those were my first dowsing robs.

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It's when we go on ghost ons now and everyone's

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got these fancy brass things, and I was just like,

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I miss my My first pair I think was made

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out of coat hangers, but my second pair was made

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out of the sheep netting. Yeah, we're in Wales, so

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it was easier to dismantle them because you know how

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the sheep netting is like a grid and then so

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I could just sort of like slot it into the

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wired that was wound round and then just dismantle them.

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biro and sheep sheep netting. Yeah, better that way. I

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preferred that I missed them. I don't know what happened

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to them in the end, but I do miss having

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them because, like you say, all the fancy ones and

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it looks more professional, I guess, but they're more fun

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's good to have nice tools. Something wrong

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with that, but you know, anything that moves is it

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can be a dosing tool doesn't have to be fancy

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at all, you know. I mean my my predecessor as

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b S president, Patrick mcmanaway, who is still a professional

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gem answer, he uses a nuts on a piece of string.

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Speaker 3: I see a nut, you know, we just like like

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conquers almost.

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Speaker 1: Still, that's still.

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Speaker 3: I thought I was thinking like a peanut on the

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end of it from Brazil.

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Speaker 1: Not that's what I was.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, right, there's all sorts of It's like

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I've dosed lead ropes up on the yard with the

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horses and my keys in the supermarket and stuff. It's

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like I just like, like say, necklaces or anything that

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wheels rounded a circle do the job. But yeah, you

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sort of like have to. I used to. I used

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to quite like the thing, you know, the finger dousing

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where you put your fingers into a ring and then

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try and open them more or yeah, no one, I

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do that quite a lot because you can do it

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under the table or in your pocket so you don't

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look like too crazy, like having something it's like winging

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around when you're in the supermarket trying to decide which

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bread to have.

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Speaker 1: You finger together.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, I've not tried that one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah sticks? Sure, Yes, If it doesn't stick, that's your.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'll definitely try that one next. Because yeah.

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Speaker 2: So just for those that are listening that aren't familiar

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with the chain link rings and what explain that a

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little bit more. What does that look like and what

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can someone experience when they're getting a yes, Now, okay,

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you make.

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Speaker 1: A chain out of both your hands and your thumb

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and forefingers, so they link together and you try and

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pull them apart, and while you're asking your question, like

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if you're in a supermarketing, say you know it's this

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particular food item going to be beneficial to my health,

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and you do the trying to pull them apart, and

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if your chain brakes and become apart, then that's a

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no response. If they say stuck together, that's a yes response.

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more subtle. You can just ask the question and if

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you find yourself gently leaning forward towards the item, then

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that's your yes, or you might find yourself leaning back

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slightly and that's your low.

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Speaker 3: Is that I assume that's a sort of slightly more

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subtle vision of the body dowsing. They tend to paranormal investigation.

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Speaker 2: We yeah, we do. We call it the human pendulum,

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they are quite fruitful when we do public events, in particular,

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especially if we have young people that are a little

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bit skeptical, and it's an experience that they can have.

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Sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't. But it's quite interesting. Thank

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you so much for sharing that. And I think as well,

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we think a little bit about dowsing, especially the ring

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on the chain. We can see that in history, isn't

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it when we think about midwives many many many moves ago.

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having a go or boy using the chain. The ring

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on a chain, isn't it? Or the pin actually, isn't

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it a pin that they used to use a chain?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw there's a YouTube video on a farmer

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who's dozing. Whether it has used are pregnant using a

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nail on the end of a piece of string. It

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just dangles all they used back and if it goes

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she's pregnant. So and he's apparently very accurate with that.

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people in India. I've seen dosers just holding a coconut

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in their hand, just balancing a coconut upright on the

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pounds of their hand and walking across the field and sorry,

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a coconut live flat on their hand and as you

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get to the water and the coconut will stand up.

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raw egg as well. The same thing happens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you lie the Do you just like

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lye it on your hands? Sideway hand?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Forward?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I might have to try that one as well.

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Then I think I'd be lethal with the cake.

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Speaker 1: Cannot But I mean the thing you have to remember

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with all these dosing tools, it's you know that the

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magic is not in the tool. It's you that's the

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body is doing the dosing. The tool is just amplifying

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your body's response. So like with the elros with the pendulum,

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you know, it's it's just the movements and your own

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muscles that are causing the reaction. And the skeptics here,

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this is why your dosing doesn't work. It's just this

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if your mortal response. They call it it's a subconscious stimulus.

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simulus from. Yes, I will accept it as a subconscious stimulus.

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It's making the muscle twitch, But where's the subconscious getting

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the information from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Because it's just like the equivalent of using a

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microscope to magnify what you can't see exactly exactly similar principle.

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Have you ever I know this is going to be

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a complete aside, but it's just popped into my head.

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Are you saying about like you can doubt of anything.

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and I used to call it my battle pendulum because

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I used to use it when I was dealing with entities.

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And I put it down on the side and it disappeared,

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NICs really disappeared. And I've had it have me a

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couple of times with them a necklace as well, and

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it was there and then it wasn't and I never

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found it ever again. And it's like and when you

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put it down on the side in view and you

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turn your way and turn back again, and it's not

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there anymore. Have you ever had anything like that happen?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, that was pendulums all the time. So yeah,

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so I don't I don't use expensive crystal pendulums. I

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like to keep it fairly simple. My favorite is actually

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a little brass Egyptian Isis pendulum. That's that's my favorite

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pendulum because just gonna like the motion of it and

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that's disappeared a couple of times famously, Once when I

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was dozing a client and I was out in the garden.

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a clipboard, you put your ail roads, you've got a pendulum,

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to deal with. So you know, I've we on lots

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I had the pendulum. I put it on the clipboard

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to get something out my pocket. I went back. Pendulums gone.

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I was only the clipboard flat, just gone, and I

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dozed around. I thought, oh, well, I must have just

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dropped it. Here could I find it. I got my

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eldrows out, tried to dose it. Nope. Nothing. Two years later,

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the client phoned it when she was taking the cartoon,

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so she sent her back to me. So I did

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get it back eventually.

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Speaker 3: Oh at least it didn't disappear. Yeah, Because like you said,

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I got a bit sick of buying them after a while.

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I used to find as well. With the crystal ones,

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it didn't matter what I did, what size they were,

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whether they were little ones, big ones, what kind of

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crystal they were. I always ended up breaking the tip

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off of them. Do I know how? But every single

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one is broken and the oh no, even my glass

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one actually, I think it's got the end missing off

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of it. I'm just clumsy. Whether it was like the crystals,

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you know, the energy of it is just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's yep, why I don't use crystal pendulum, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can Yeah, I can see why. I was

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always a bit conflicted about using the crystals. Like I

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say in my back of pandul, I found quite handy

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at the time, but all my other ones have just

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been like you know, like you say, after a while,

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it seems to burn them out as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's yeah, I mean, also crystals you need to

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maintain them regularly, and you know that you can program

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and they can't store the on information pattern. So you know,

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for me, the pendulum is just a tool. So I

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don't really need to go down that road off having

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a crystal and programming and cleansing it all the time.

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You know, I'll just pick up whatever a pendulum i've got.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot more practical, isn't it. Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a very practical person.

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Speaker 3: It's like saying a bit of a bit of strings

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easy to replace rather than exactly Yeah, that's the shop

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every five minutes.

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Speaker 2: But I think as well, making your own tools or creating,

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I just find a little bit more of a connection

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with them.

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Speaker 1: I suppose.

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Speaker 2: I've even made some pendulums and the string is my

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own hair, so I just yeah, I think sometimes creating

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your own tools as well just adds to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that has a very personal connection with you. I

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mean I do make dozing rods. I make more than

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dozing rods, but I seldom so yeah, I mean brass

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and bar swords. I have actually made some pendulums when

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I bought the actual pendulums that are with turning friend

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and made for me. So I was stringing them up

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and putting pizza on them and stuff. Bobbers. A lot

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of people make bobbers to use bobbers as well. But

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is that like the one with the It's like a

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one with a spiral in the in the length of

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it and away on the end. It's like a It's

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kind of like a horizontal pendulum. You just wipe it

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up and down and it will go in a circle,

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or I'll go side to side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen I did an equine healing course with

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Felicity Wilson down in Wilts. She was the main one

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that was like doing different dowsing things. I've seen her

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using the bobbers when she was with the horses, but

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I never actually I couldn't wrap my head around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just like a vertical pendulum, horizontal

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pendul brother, Yeah, it's in one hand, waggle up and

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down and it does it's thing.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the thing. It's like watching it we

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go up and down on its own is quite a bizarre.

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expect to see it go side to side. But when

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you're sort of holding this sort of light, little tiny

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fishing rub thing and it sort of suddenly starts going crazy,

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it's quite bizarre to watch.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, no, you actually physically started like a pendulum.

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You should physically start it as well, because if you're

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just sitting over your pendulum hanging on a piece of

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string waiting for something to happen, you know, it takes

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a long time before anything happens, and if you're asking

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a lot of questions, that's very time consuming. You should

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started swinging and you develop your own system. So most people,

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if you started swinging back and forward towards you and

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away from you, you say that's your neutral position, and

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then when you ask your yes response, it'll go one

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side or the other. Like for me, it'll go clockwise

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for yes, anti clockwise for no. Some people will go

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side to side for no, particularly American dosers, because they're

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sent to be trained that way. But clockwisewise is my

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reactions for that.

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Speaker 3: M it's have you I've lost my train of thought now.

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I was going to ask a question, Garry, if you've

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got anything else to say before my question comes back

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to me, I've lost my train of thought completely. It's derailed.

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You're on mute.

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Speaker 2: I think that when we're thinking a little bit about

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energy and land and location, and you'd already touched upon

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some of these locations having higher vibrations and others depending

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on where they are and what's being done. It reminds

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me a little bit of some reading that I did

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quite a long time ago. I found girls a little

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bit over. A researcher called Consultine character cough consulting character cough, Yes,

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and he did a lot of work around geo mapping,

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and he looked at locations where you could have one area.

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You might be familiar with his work, but he hit

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one area that could be have a higher there's a

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lot of adversities that happen in one location because of

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the vibration of that area. For example, there was a

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cross crosswalk in America that seemed to have a higher

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rate of fatalities and lots of versities that are going

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on in the homes around it in comparison to the

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crosswalk that was not so far down the road. So

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thinking a little bit about that, I just wanted to

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I wondered your faults and about what makes these locations

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have a different vibration and how that can.

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Speaker 1: Impact Well, yeah, this is really what geomancy is all about.

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But this is what I do professionally. You know, most

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of my work is almost my paid workers and healing

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sack hoses, whereas people's houses are built in an inappropriate

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energy spot. So this is what the dosing enables us

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to go and detect. And it's not something that's news

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been you know, people have known about this since the

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nineteen twenties. They used to call it unhealthy Earth unhealthy

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telluric radiations or noxious earth rays. Nowadays about geopathic stress,

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but you know, it's not a new thing. If I

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give you the very basic picture of the earth energies.

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If you think of underground water flows, they actually do

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create geopathic stress. By their interaction with the rock that

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they're flowing through. You get a sort of piezzo electric

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geomagnetic distortion that rises above the water vein. And if

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you have your bed over that, for example, you know

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that's a very sort of draining energy to be on.

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It's very yin energy. So over a long period of

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time you tend to find your immune system gets compromise,

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and you know, little allments become more chronic and so on,

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an illness develops. The other side of it is the

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energy lays or laylis as both people would call them,

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which are kind of above ground or just below the

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surface flow of more of a yang energy. So you know,

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I might call them like water dragons and earth dragons,

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or sometimes air dragons, depending where it is. But the

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lay energy is very sort of energizing. In fact, it's

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quite a good thing to have in your temple space,

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or in your meditation room, or even in your work

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space because it is that sort of yang energy that

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again not good to have under your bed because it

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stopped you sleeping. Well, they tend to keep you awake.

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So we need to find spots for especially for our beds,

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because that's where we spend most of our time usually

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when your immune system is trying to regenerate overnight. We

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need to find spots that are balanced and neutral and

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not affected by either of these you know, yang energies.

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Speaker 3: And how.

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Speaker 2: I'm not having a good time. How can someone be

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able to be able to I know that this is

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something that you do for your your profession in terms

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of healing houses, but how would someone that is very

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kind of new to this idol like ideology, how would

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they be able to start becoming familiar with to whether

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they've got their resting place in the wrong kind of

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their bed, in the wrong kind of space.

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Speaker 1: Well, the best way to detect these energies is to

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learn to those and you know, get good at it.

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It's not a quick path. You know, I've spent years

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training in this and I've still learning stuff. You know,

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it's not a quick path to do. It's like any

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of these things, you have to sort of get a

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feel for it yourself. You know, there's no amount of

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watching YouTube videos or reading books or whatever can actually

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teach you the basics. You have to get out there

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and learn to do it yourself. You know, find the

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doors or who can train you to do it. Get

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out there and get hands on experience. Apprentice to somebody,

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or go into training courses or workshops, whatever, you know,

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whatever it takes. If you want to do it, you know,

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you've got to put the work.

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Speaker 2: In and there'd be signs with there. You said that

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if you're for example, if your bed is in an

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area where it's not compatible with a good night's sleep,

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there would be indications. So you said about being poor

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poor health, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean yeah. Often you know, when I

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get a call is because the client has tried everything

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else and they're just saying getting to the sort of

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bottom of the tree. They don't know what else to try,

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so they maybe hear about dozing or geomancy and they

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will get in touch. I used to work with a

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vibrational homeopath who would actually test for geopathic stress and

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he would refer clients to me if if you find

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geopathic stress in the rooms. Sadly, he passed away a

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couple of years ago, so I don't have somebody to

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work with at the moment. But that was really good

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because you get feedback from them, you know, when I've

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been done the work, and then they go back to

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the homeopath and he can test them again. You know,

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it's sort of information for them and for me it's

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a good indication that I'm doing the work.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh howd Back over to Natalie.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, I was, I remember my question. It was.

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It was back on the pendulums or doubting equipment. It's like,

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have you ever had that happen a couple of times

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where you've had where it starts giving silly answers and

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it's sort of like almost like there's interference on it.

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I just wondered if you'd ever had any experiences like that,

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whether you think like this sort of the paranormal or

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spirit realm or elemental realm can actually interfere at some point.

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Speaker 1: Well times, yeah, yeah, sometimes it just depends how her

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professional I think you've had about it. You know, there

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are fairly extensive dosing protection protocols that people can use

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that I use, Like before I go and do a job,

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I go through a whole atiatment process and a protocol

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just to make sure my energy is in a good

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spot and I have energetic protection, so I'm aware of

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anything like that happens. Yeah, you do get people getting

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spirit attachments and stuff, and we have to deal with

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that as well. That's another the part of the job

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is tracking down these entities. So yeah, so if we

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have geopathic stress under your bed, as one of the

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ways that people will become aware of this is that

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they're they're not sleeping well, or they're having disturbing dreams

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that sort of thing, and you're working up feeling tired

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or depressed. All these sort of symptoms quite subtle symptoms,

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but they do build up over time and maybe you

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think there's no reason why you're not sleeping properly, so

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you start looking into these things. But generally, if you

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don't have your bed situated in a neutral spot, you're

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going to get something some disturbances like this happening. So

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if you're sleeping over an underground water flow, then you

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find that that's a very entraining yin energy, so it

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drains your immune system. When you start getting a little

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chronic ailments, and if you're sleeping over an energy flow

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like a lake, then that has a more energizing effect,

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and you love to getting to sleep. I can always

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tell if I'm in a hotel and if it's on

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the bed is on a lay line and I'm not sleeping,

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so then I would have to get up and either

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move the bed or do something to move the lay

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energy out of the way. It's the same with water sometimes,

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although I tend to be less sensitive to that when

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I'm trying to get to sleep because it's your nature

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and I fall asleep quicker as it's on its own

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effects on that regard. So in terms of finding this,

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you know, that's usually for people the first thing they

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00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,839
sort of notice. You need to really get into learning

477
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,599
dowsing in a serious basis. You know, it's not an

478
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,319
easy path just to pick up a pair of roads

479
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,400
and start treating this. You know, I spent many years

480
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440
training for this. In fact, I'm still learning. So yeah,

481
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,240
you need to make a serious government to get out

482
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240
there and apprentice with some some working dowsers who will

483
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,359
train you how to do this sort of stuff. Not

484
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,519
really something you can pick up from books of watching

485
00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,640
YouTube videos. You know, you do need to get out

486
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,559
there and experience it for yourself. Learn to recognize the

487
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:04,279
feelings that you're you're experiencing when you're doing these situations.

488
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,160
You're doing this work, thank you.

489
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: I was gonna say otherwise to ameliorate the lace. Then

490
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,039
if you are unable to move your bed or your

491
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:17,200
beddream around.

492
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Most of the healing stuff you do with

493
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,559
using some sort of healing intention, you know, like you're

494
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,599
sending spiritual healing or something. You can do things to lays.

495
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,799
You can block them temporarily using crystals, which is quite

496
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,319
handy in a hotel room situation. You can just block

497
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,279
or divert it using some I use the corps internally

498
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,680
works quite well. I find water a little bit trickier

499
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,160
to do, just on a temporary basis. And I say,

500
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,960
it's generally a layer of the bed that keeps me

501
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,960
awake at light if I'm in a hotel room. So yeah,

502
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,480
a couple of crystals the other side of the bed.

503
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,000
Various standards have various ways of healing this. Everything has

504
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,799
their own way of working, but ultimately it's a form

505
00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,559
of spiritual healing. You're doing really just pretty your intention

506
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,039
into sorting out the situation.

507
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so they're in a way kind of way. It's

508
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,039
sort of like earth healing because you're accessing the energy,

509
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,000
the energy patterns of the Earth. So the amenable to

510
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:15,279
spiritual healing.

511
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: As it's yeah, it's it's not in a weird sort

512
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,200
of way. It is exactly our feeling. Yeah, the the

513
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,359
energies of the Earth are very amenable to to working

514
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,119
with us in these ways. You know, because we are

515
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,799
all energy beings, we are all connected on some level

516
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,960
of some frequency. And with dowsing you can communicate with

517
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:36,200
pretty much ending. You can get it. You can get

518
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,839
it a dialogue with things with your pendulum, you know,

519
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,039
like you guys use rods for finding spirits and stuff.

520
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,200
You know, you can you can talk, you can ask questions,

521
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,559
you can get yes no responses from them, either with

522
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,319
your rods or other pendulum. So you can find out

523
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:51,640
if you come across a discarded spirits, you know, why

524
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,319
it's there, if it'd be happy to move on to,

525
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,519
you know, move off this plane onto its the next

526
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,160
level of existence. And if it is, then you can

527
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:01,920
get your pencil about it and go through a dowsing

528
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,519
protocol which will help you do that and remove the spirit.

529
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,839
You get this quite a lot. I mean, even as

530
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,960
a working geom answer you know less. So now when

531
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
I first started, it wasn't that experience. I quite often

532
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,839
would come away from a job having picked up some

533
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,519
entity or other. And you know, because I do have

534
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,200
other people that I trained with and we still meet,

535
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,599
you know, we are the Geomancy Group. So we have

536
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,079
this group of peers that I can call up and say,

537
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:30,799
you know, I think I picked something up, can you

538
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200
check me? And they will check you remotely and remove

539
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,680
anything for you, you know. And I've had a couple

540
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,599
of calls. I mean there was one in particular. One

541
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:40,400
of our colleagues phone me when I was over in

542
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,799
Dublin and she said, I think I'll picked something up.

543
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,359
Can you can you check it for me? I said, well,

544
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,920
I'm really busy it's now, but I'll try and do

545
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,599
this afternoon when I get a break. And I went

546
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,319
out in the afternoon and I found a quiet spot

547
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,680
to sit down and did my dowsing protocol tuned into

548
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,079
her and yes, I did find an entity and I

549
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,200
did then remove it with my potential using the dosing.

550
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,880
Two minutes later, she phones me on the mobile. Let's

551
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,759
saying have you just done that? I felt something left,

552
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:08,920
you know, and I'm in Dublin and she's in London,

553
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,559
you know, so.

554
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: That's quite nice when you get.

555
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,039
Speaker 1: Yet confirmations like that. It happens all the time the

556
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:16,559
more you do this.

557
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember reading. I honestly can't remember the sauce,

558
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,359
but they were there. I think it was a dowser.

559
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,319
We're saying that they suggest that there are things like

560
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,480
spirit paths. So they're sort of like you know how

561
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,119
laser earth energies, and you've got the water lines that

562
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,519
the spirit lines that ghosts and spirits tend to follow.

563
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Spirits tend to use lay lines as a source of energy.

564
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:50,519
Layers have a very sort of informational content, so you know,

565
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,079
they can carry intention that, they can carry human intent,

566
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,720
they can carry spirit intent. And we'll find that the

567
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,599
discardates will often get their energy from the lays. So

568
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,319
when you're doing house cleaning, you know, I have to

569
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,440
check that as soon as I get and if there

570
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,839
are any spirit activity is going on, and I needs

571
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,240
to deal with that before I deal with the geopadic stress,

572
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,519
because otherwise that's when you get attachments coming home with you.

573
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,359
You know, and you find out a couple of days

574
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,480
later that something's going on. I had a dog once,

575
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,599
I had a little dog attachment. It was quite friendly

576
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,039
and he hung about it and I just kept seeing

577
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,440
it like the corner of my eye in the house

578
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,200
for about three weeks, and eventually I just said, well

579
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920
that you know, he shouldn't be could you please go away?

580
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,519
And he did so. Yeah, but you get you get

581
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:32,960
this all the time, these sort of things.

582
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I often wonder because it's like in my house.

583
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,720
I've in my bedroom, it's like I've got two corners

584
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,559
opposite sides, and it's like it drives me nuts because

585
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:49,799
I can't quite figure it out. It's they kind of

586
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,720
seem to come from one end, disappear, and then reappear

587
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:55,759
in the other corner and then out again. So we'll

588
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,920
hear a knock on one side and then a knock

589
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,480
on the other, but I'll not see them go down direct.

590
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,119
It's almost like they come in, pop out, go somewhere else,

591
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:09,480
and then pop back. And it's it's it's puzzled me

592
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,400
for years, but I was often wondered about, like whether

593
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,359
they have you know, what's the house in the wind Chester,

594
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,440
the mystery House, you know how it goes all over

595
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,799
the place. I often wondered whether there were like spirit

596
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,200
lines and they kind of zig zag in and out

597
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,720
of different dimensions, and maybe that's why they sort of

598
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,960
tend to appear, disappear, and reappear in the corner. And

599
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:36,759
like you say, perhaps the laths sort of facilitate facilitate that.

600
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you portals as well, so they can

601
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,440
pop in and pop out again you get into dimensional portals.

602
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
One of my other gumas To colleagues had a hose

603
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:52,200
in Trickenham and she found her two teenage daughters and

604
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,119
just adolescent at the time, kept saying they were seeing

605
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,279
these strange men were included rooms in their bedroom at night,

606
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,240
just walking past the fid of the and she phoned

607
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,319
that the spirit room mixed to it seemed to have

608
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,799
the central dimensional portal at the end, and she did

609
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,759
a bit of digging. The site where the it was

610
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:15,920
built used to be a monastery. Okay, so yeah, so

611
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,519
our teenage daughters were seeing these these monks coming up

612
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,160
of this portal, appearing and then walking through their room.

613
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: Monks were a bit confused.

614
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: As well, they were, Yeah, you quite a lot of

615
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,720
stories like that.

616
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,559
Speaker 3: Do you do you find them that? You know? How

617
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,599
are you saying that the lays provide energy for spirit activity?

618
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,200
Do you find that a lot of the more deeply

619
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,799
disturbed houses tend to have stronger lays or more active lays, or.

620
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,839
Speaker 1: Or just more of them? Yeah?

621
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, or more of them or do you think some

622
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,319
of it it's like, you know how you say that

623
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
lay lines can pick up intention and energy, whether the

624
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:03,240
layers going through certain areas and it's picking up like

625
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,119
the energy of the people in the houses as it goes.

626
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,200
So you might start off with an okay lay at

627
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,000
one end, and by the time it's gone through the

628
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,359
housing estate at the other end, it's picked up a

629
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,519
lot of dross along the way. Do you find that absolutely?

630
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can often tell if there's a particularly badly

631
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,279
stressed house. You'll see signs in the neighborhood. You know,

632
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,079
we're just like listening in the streets, or lots of

633
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:30,319
griffety and general appearance of being run down, and you

634
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,400
can sometimes you can practically follow the trail. You know,

635
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
if there's a strong lay coming through the garden, you'll

636
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,119
often find this poor plant growth. The number of times

637
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
I've seen, you know, gaps in the hedges or holes

638
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,880
in the fence where the LA is coming through. You know,

639
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,559
you can you can often quite easily trace it across

640
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720
quite a large distance. And it's difficult to deal with

641
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,640
situations like that because you know, if you're having to

642
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920
deal with the client in the house that is troubled,

643
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,599
you don't really have the ethical permission to held the

644
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,559
whole neighborhood, you know, And that's that's quite a big job.

645
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,480
So yeah, often you might just go back up in

646
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:04,960
for that one.

647
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: I was about to say, yeah, you don't want to

648
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,160
be doing that one on your own preferably.

649
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no. And I've had a couple of ones of

650
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,599
that where I haven't managed to do it, where there

651
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,000
was a big cross country thing going on with spirits

652
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,400
walking along quite regularly that the client was seeing, and

653
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,440
I gave it my best shot, but I was only

654
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,079
there of just passing through on my way home, so

655
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,400
I didn't really have any time to spend over a

656
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,559
period of days working on it. So I give up

657
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,000
my best shot, and I was just getting into the

658
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,400
car and went, oh no, there it's back again. I

659
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,160
can see that, Okay, Well, I'm sorry, I'll just have

660
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,640
to write that one also failure.

661
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's nice. That's the frustrating thing I found

662
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,720
about it sometimes as well. It's like you can't always

663
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,799
affect the cures the wrong word, but I suppose the

664
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,720
healing that you want, and it's it's sort of you know,

665
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,119
in places, it's almost like it's very no.

666
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,839
Speaker 1: It's very well, there's all these things you have to

667
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,599
take into account. You know, maybe you're just not meant

668
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
to be healing that spot. Maybe it has to be

669
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,640
that way for a reason.

670
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:12,079
Speaker 3: You know, it must be frustrating sometimes when you come

671
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,320
up against the robot like that, or you or if

672
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,159
you become quite philosophical about it over the years, it's

673
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,840
sort of well, you.

674
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Know, especially if you're being paid to go and fix

675
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,239
the house and you can't do it. You know, I say, well,

676
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,400
I'm sorry, I'm not going to charge it for this

677
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,880
because I don't think I've done anything. All I can

678
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,079
say is you don't sleep in that bedroom or move house.

679
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,800
So yeah, yeah, sometimes that's all you can do, you know.

680
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,840
You know, I find I find clients who were in

681
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,679
a house that was in a state, that was built

682
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,400
in the site of an old lunatic asylum. Oh wow,

683
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,679
and just about I think it was five out of

684
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,239
the eight houses in the streets where every day had

685
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,519
had some sort of cancer and you can trace the

686
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,679
line coming right through the houses, you know. So I

687
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,360
asked them to move, and they moved to another site

688
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,960
near a glove, which is actually almost as bad in

689
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,400
terms of the bad energy going through it. So it

690
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,559
seems that actually, you know, people get attracted to that

691
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,880
energy because they're used to it. Yeah, that's that's another thing.

692
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,199
If you do all the clearing, sometimes the client are

693
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,199
so used to having that energy that they'll call it

694
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,920
back in again unintentionally.

695
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's quite curious. You see a lot of

696
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,119
stories on them, like in the paranormal world where people

697
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,280
will go to view a house and it will be

698
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,519
all light and sunshine and like this is our home,

699
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:34,480
this is our home, and then they move in. Yeah,

700
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,199
it starts, and it's like you wonder. I sometimes wonder

701
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,360
with things like that, are they is what's they're hiding

702
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,960
to attract them because they are attracted that energy, or

703
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800
do they bring that energy with them or does their

704
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,000
presence activate something that somebody else wouldn't necessarily activate if

705
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,280
they were living in that house.

706
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, kind of a checking the reg situation,

707
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,000
you know, did they bring it in or was it there? Yeah,

708
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,719
certainly a lot of the sort of psycho spiritual energy

709
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,000
gets gets stored in the fabric of the building that

710
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,400
there's an old building. You know. It's like a little

711
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,400
bit about the ghost being tape recordings. It's just the

712
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,400
same thing. It's appearing. There's the same oppeartition all the time,

713
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,440
you know, the women crossing the end of the room

714
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,960
or the green liny and at certain times of the

715
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,920
year maybe you know, these are all just like passive recordings.

716
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,440
I suppose some more active, quasi intelligent and spook type manifestation.

717
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you have anything to ask Garry?

718
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,039
Speaker 2: I do, Actually I wanted to. I think everything that

719
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,679
we've spoken about is really interesting, and the paranormal is

720
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,599
really where it's my bag, that's where my fascination is,

721
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,119
and I think that's kind of what's influencing my next question,

722
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,760
based not so much about paranormal, is that we live

723
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,239
in quite going back to knowledge and gaining knowledge and experience,

724
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,320
we live in quite a far society where we want

725
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,320
everything to be at our hands kind of access to

726
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,239
information and knowledge that really should be gained over years.

727
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Is there any misconceptions about the work that you do

728
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,800
that's shared in the community, that kind of if you

729
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,480
had the chance to put riot or to kind of

730
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,960
so much challenge because everyone's got their own unique way

731
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,159
of working. But yeah, that seems to be petuated through

732
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:24,079
that fast your interest and want for information.

733
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop calling them lay lines is my number one.

734
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,960
There are also I mean, what is a lay line?

735
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,840
You know, how do you define that? The classical if

736
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,320
you go back to Alfred Watkins who wrote the ull

737
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,320
Straight Track back in the nineteen twenties. So for us

738
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,719
looked into these alignments, who are just alignments of sites

739
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,039
in the landscape. It's only over the years that acquired

740
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:53,280
all these energetic connotations, you know, spirit paths or energy lays,

741
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,239
spirit walkways, all this sort of thing. So in the

742
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,559
purer dosing terms we talk about visually and energy lays.

743
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,519
So the energy lays are the ones that we are

744
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,559
interested in. The visual lays maybe the same thing may

745
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,880
coincide with an energy lay, but sometimes they don't. Sometimes

746
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
they are just an alignment of size. So but yeah,

747
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,320
it's a very confusing picture for people. I know I

748
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,079
do appreciate that.

749
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,559
Speaker 3: So so what would you call them? What did you

750
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,519
say you would call them? Then? Instead of lay lines,

751
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,360
just energy just lays.

752
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,159
Speaker 1: Energy lays. Energy lays are the dozable ones or our

753
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,599
visually or just a lay.

754
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: Okay, can you tell us how you got into the

755
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,480
labyrinths building labyrinths?

756
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the other side of the coin and

757
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,719
geo lancy, you know, as well as fixing these issues

758
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,280
in the secular context, we do actually like to enhance

759
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,000
people's ability to contact spirits the spirit world rather to

760
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:55,360
enhance their spirituality. So we get into things like constructing

761
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,840
sacred spaces, helping people build it on temple spaces, you know, well,

762
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,360
making little stone circles and back gardens or labyrinths. Labyrinths

763
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,559
are a fantastic sacred space to work with as well

764
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,920
and much loved of dowsers. Like dowsers love labyrinth because

765
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,360
they produce very interesting energies to dows Once the labyrinth

766
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,599
has been walked a few times, you get little energy

767
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,559
and vortices appearing in the middle levelm and things, and

768
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,239
so they good for ceremony, they're good for solo meditation.

769
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,800
They're also good for spirit release. You know, they're used

770
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,039
quite extensively in Scandinavia for that with the Baltic fishermen

771
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,159
who would build a labyrinth on the beach and then

772
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,400
they would walk very slowly into the center and they

773
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,960
would you know, bring their best intention for the voyage

774
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,239
they're about to do, and then they would run out

775
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
very quickly from the labyrinth and their attachment. Their trolls

776
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,039
are left in the center of the labyrinth because they

777
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,159
can't find the way I againt, because they're not like

778
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,400
that bright. So they're run out of the labyrinth, get on

779
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,079
the boats and go off to sea and leave all

780
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,000
their stuff behind.

781
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, let the bad look find its own way out

782
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:05,800
the labyrinth over. Basically, you imagine if we were going

783
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,719
on a cruise and we all had to like walk

784
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,280
a little labyrinth and then run to the ferry. It's

785
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,599
like you say, I mean a lot of it. Do

786
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,039
you think the actual labyrinth itself creates some of the energy,

787
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,320
or as you say, is the intention behind the line?

788
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,320
You know, how like you've got sacred geometry and things

789
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,159
like that. Do you think they have inherent energy patent

790
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,000
to them that gets.

791
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, it does, which is why you find in

792
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,280
you know, churches and temples and the great Gothic cathedrals,

793
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,480
which are full of sacred geometry. The frequencies that are

794
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:41,639
all the same, the numbers are all the same. You get,

795
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,079
you know, the sacred geometry, you get music, you get

796
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,400
astronomy and astrology. It's all using the same kind of

797
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,320
numerical basis for the definition methods. So if you're constructing

798
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,039
a space in proportions of sacred geometry, it's going to

799
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:00,239
have specific resonant properties, which is why like you know,

800
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,840
you get like plane song in cathedrals, you know, all

801
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,360
the sorts of chanting and all that. It's all enhanced

802
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,679
by the residents of the space. And that's all because

803
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:10,679
of the numbers. It's not because of the geometry.

804
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:15,199
Speaker 3: Okay, So when I was gonna say, when you build

805
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,119
a labyrinth, and do you use a lot of mathematical

806
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,199
astrological calculations or do you just doubt.

807
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,519
Speaker 1: It depends on the complexity of the labyrinth. I mean,

808
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,199
the traditional seven circuits creating labyrinth. You don't need geometry

809
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,679
for that. That's drawn from a very simple seat patron

810
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,239
thats be something more complex like the ones saying that

811
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,679
the one is short cathedral, which is in a living

812
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,280
circuit particular pattern. There's a lot of geometry involved in

813
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,079
producing that one. So it depends. Yeah, I mean I will.

814
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,400
Usually the ones I've been doing recently, I have had

815
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,559
a certain amount of geometry because I need to be

816
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:54,679
able to figure out where it's going to go on site.

817
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,920
I would usually like to include some sort of standing

818
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,159
stone set up somewhere so I may be marking a

819
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,559
particular alignment, you know. Like one of my first ones

820
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,480
I did where I calculated in a garden labyrinth, which

821
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:10,920
was a very small space and there was only really

822
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,719
one area that it was facing where I had any

823
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,320
view of the sky, which fortunately happened to be a whare.

824
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,719
The sunset happened on the client's birthday, so I put

825
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,679
in an alignment of standing stones with a big one

826
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,400
by the fence there, and we did the labyrinth opening

827
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,400
ceremony on that day. We actually constructed it in the morning,

828
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,159
did the opening ceremony at sunset, and as we finished,

829
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,000
we turned round and there was the sun sitting right

830
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:32,519
on the stone.

831
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,599
Speaker 3: Wow.

832
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's that's all about. It's all about

833
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,800
connecting above and below. You know, you do the ceremony,

834
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,000
you do the astrology to work out at the best time,

835
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,320
you do these astronomical alignments, and it all just connects

836
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,440
Heaven and Earth. So all enhances hances the power of

837
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,840
the space.

838
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,079
Speaker 3: So it's actually quite a complex, it's quite in some way.

839
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,159
It kind of whey. Actually, the labyrinth type thing is

840
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,000
cerebral and the lab itself is very similar to the

841
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,800
patterns on top of the brain, aren't they. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,440
thinking about it, it's like say, it's kind of weird.

843
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:16,119
It's a mixture of sort of metaphysical and maps.

844
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: You're not the first person to comment on the similarity

845
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,320
to the brain pattern on that one. Yeah, that's quite interesting.

846
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,679
But I mean, it's a really old pattern that really

847
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,719
knows where it came from. It seems to have happened

848
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,440
spontaneously in many cultures around the world. So whether there's

849
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,760
some you know, world traveler with going around and saying, hey,

850
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,280
look at this really neat pattern, I can teach you

851
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,599
how to draw this, or whether it came out independently,

852
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,119
we don't really know. But I mean, the thing about

853
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,519
a labyrinth is it's one path to the center you

854
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,599
don't need to think about where you're going, you know,

855
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,280
unlike a maze where you've got to make decisions. You know.

856
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,920
That's the kind of a left brain puzzle, whereas a

857
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,559
labyrinth it is more of a right brain meditation. You

858
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,880
can just switch off and just walk the path and

859
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,760
you will get to the center whether I'm to think

860
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,239
about at it, So it really frees your mind up

861
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
to contemplate, you know, the universe and any issues that

862
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,280
you have, you know. So yeah, they're really good tools

863
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,960
for meditation.

864
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, I'd love to. I've never actually walked one,

865
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,599
I'd like to say, reading your newsletter in that and

866
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,320
seeing like when you you you've built black prints and things,

867
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,079
I was like really curious about actually walking one and

868
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,239
seeing how it feels.

869
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,559
Speaker 1: Well, there's probably one near you. There's a website called

870
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,760
the Worldwide Labyrinth Locator, which I think is labyrinthlocator dot org,

871
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,159
but don't quote beyond that. So there's yeah, they will

872
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:43,320
probably tarya with there's one near you, yea, Because there

873
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,559
are lots and lots of labyrinths being constructed now like

874
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,480
more probably more so than ever in history. It's a

875
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:54,039
really popular thing, especially the medieval the Sharks pattern one.

876
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,000
There's a there's a whole movement that was founded by

877
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,400
Lauren Artres of Chris Cathedral in San francisc She really

878
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,159
popularized that particular pattern and goes around the training labyrinth

879
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,480
facilitators in how to use that. So in a sort

880
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,719
of Christian chotchy context, that's more of the sort of

881
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,360
one you're able to find will be the sharp pattern one.

882
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,440
But I kind of like the Seventh Circuit experience. I

883
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:21,400
just there's there's more connections I can make with the

884
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,239
seventh circuit because you know you've got like seven musical notes,

885
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,519
seven planets, a traditional planets, seven colors, all that you

886
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,199
can have more connections.

887
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more occult in nature that one, right, Yes,

888
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,559
more symbolic, that's the word I'm looking for. Yeah, theology

889
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,159
of it, Oh wow, No, I'm definitely going to go

890
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:46,119
on that Brince locator. That would be brilliant. Thank you.

891
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,119
Speaker 2: So you've spoken a little bit about the network of

892
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,920
all your circle and how no matter how far you're

893
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,559
always able to rely rely on that. We spoke a

894
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:04,639
little bit of about the attachments being able to develop

895
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,400
your skills having that circle around you. Is that really

896
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,880
important established. Is it something that people can do everything

897
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,400
we talk a little bit about witchcraft, we have a

898
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,960
solitary path. Is it something that someone could do solitary

899
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:20,840
or is it really important to have that circle amongst them.

900
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,639
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to go and train with somebody. Yeah.

901
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,599
I mean, you can spend years on your own. I mean,

902
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,880
you know I did before I came across all the doses.

903
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,480
You can spend years on your own and you think

904
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,440
you're doing okay, but then you meet somebody else and

905
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,880
you go, oh wow, I don't know you could do

906
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,039
that with it, you know. And even talking about witchcraft

907
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,400
and all that, I mean, that's a lot easier for

908
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,639
people to learn because it's more in the open. But

909
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,719
you know, back in the day, you had a lot

910
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,119
of trouble finding something to work with. You had a

911
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:51,480
lot of trouble finding books about it even, And you're

912
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,159
belially at all these these these things that you can

913
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:56,559
do with your mind, all these energetic things that you

914
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:59,760
can do. But until you actually experience that for yourself,

915
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,639
you know, you can't really get a handle on what

916
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,159
it is. But it's not something you can learn from

917
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,039
a book. You know. This is why you know, in

918
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,400
the old days they called it the mysteries. You've got

919
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,079
to be there, you've got to feel that, you've got

920
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,000
to know what that means, you know, and it's hard

921
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:16,239
to do that on your own. I think it's.

922
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,119
Speaker 3: Almost like you need an attunement, isn't it.

923
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Yes, but like like a radio trinment, if you like.

924
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, by being around somebody

925
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,559
that is already attuned, it's easier for you to sort

926
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,599
of connect to what is actually there rather than sort

927
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,159
of having to guess because you don't know what you

928
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,400
don't know, do you? And so it's like that's why

929
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,239
the mentorship thing is so useful sometimes with things like this. Yeah,

930
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,320
it's really interesting. You've got a book on dowsing with

931
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,400
Siguls Magic. I think I don't think I've read that one.

932
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,760
I've got one, but I don't think i've read that

933
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,239
one yet.

934
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I've got Magic Books one and two.

935
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,519
Speaker 3: That's I think I've read book too, because that was

936
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,880
one more about the Earth energies, wasn't it. And yeah, yeah, yeah,

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,679
I definitely that one. I saw the other day on

938
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,119
Amazon that there was one on Schigel Magic. I think dowsings, Yeah,

939
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,679
that came out of I did a workshop for the.

940
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: American Society of Doss a few years back now on

941
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,280
sigels and absolutely loved it because those had never come

942
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,599
across centels before. I'm thinking, well, this is really old part.

943
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,960
Surely know about scheduls, but no, they did not know

944
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,760
about situls. So I did this workshop and how you

945
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,400
can use your dosing to energize your signals sigils, and

946
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,440
everybody thought this was the best thing since sliced bread.

947
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,320
They all loved it and said, Gramy, you really need

948
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,079
to write a book about this. Well why not. That's

949
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,199
a good idea, So I did.

950
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely needed to look up that

951
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:52,039
because I got quite interested in sigels after reading I

952
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:56,719
think it was the end of Freeze book on and

953
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,320
then I saw yours and I was like, oh, you know,

954
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,280
it's like that was seeing and schedules. It's like that

955
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,320
would be interesting. So yeah, it's with this. Are these

956
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,360
schedules like pre existing ones that you were using then?

957
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,119
Speaker 1: Or no? You make your schgul thank you?

958
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

959
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, accoman to your intention. Yeah. So you can buy

960
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,079
the book from my website. There's also a video watshop

961
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,119
of the watch shop you can get you can rent

962
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,079
or buy that from my wat shop from my website.

963
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:31,039
Speaker 2: Oh that one next, Yeah, that leads We're coming to

964
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:32,760
the end of the podcast now, and I think it'd

965
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,559
be really interesting. I know that that's referenced a a

966
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,199
newsletter that comes out to her as well. So what

967
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,440
are yeah, please share what?

968
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't do a newsletter. I do a mailing

969
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,679
list when I've got something happening. So you can say

970
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,760
not to my bailing list on my website and you'll

971
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,239
get a little you know, circular thing. It's usually just

972
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,440
when I've got a course coming up, I'll send you

973
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,840
like I've got a course coming up this weekend U

974
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,440
which is going to be the last one this year

975
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,840
because it's pretty cold, and that is the sort of

976
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,079
final one. In the house Healing training, there are three

977
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,000
levels to that, beyond the beginner's course. There's three levels

978
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
of house Healing Training and Earth Energy working and this

979
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,719
will be the last one, which is about dealing with

980
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,639
spirits and you know, interdimensional energies. So after that that

981
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:23,920
will be all other batch of people who will be

982
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:26,360
out in the world. I wanted to do this sort

983
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:26,760
of stuff.

984
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,679
Speaker 3: Oh brilliant, so.

985
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, I mean I try it. It's very

986
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,239
rare to get the whole five courses in one year

987
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,840
because beyond this there's another two courses that go into

988
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,920
the Temples building. Yeah, it's very rare. I get all

989
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,119
five done in a year. I'm lolucky to get three

990
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:43,639
done in the year.

991
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,039
Speaker 3: Usually nice, good year.

992
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Then uh yeah, no, this was They've been waiting a

993
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,800
year for this last course. This should have happened last

994
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,440
year and it didn't.

995
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,079
Speaker 2: You have you publishing your books as well, and you

996
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,559
said that you do a podcast, So where can people

997
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:05,239
find your podcast?

998
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: I do a podcast. It's that Adventures Indozing dot com.

999
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,480
There's about sixty eight. I've got another couple I need

1000
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:14,079
to do in the can actually, but I'm actually running

1001
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,400
out of storage space on the website, so you need

1002
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,639
to find a solution to that. Yeah. So yeah, its

1003
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,760
it started off with me trying to teach subody to dose.

1004
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,960
See if you can do it with the podcast, and

1005
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,440
it's developed over my years as president of the Producer Society,

1006
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,360
with your talks of speakers and things and interviews with

1007
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,400
other doses that I come across in my travels.

1008
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:39,079
Speaker 3: Cool, fascinating, absolutely fascinating.

1009
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,199
Speaker 1: Yes, it was the internet's first and dozing podcast.

1010
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:48,559
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah cool. Oh I love that.

1011
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for joining us to

1012
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,760
save me, and thank you so much for answering our

1013
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,880
questions and sharing your knowledge. We will be sharing links

1014
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,199
to where people can find you once the podcast is

1015
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,320
available for streaming, so people can follow those and have

1016
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,639
a look at what you've got available and also look

1017
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,559
at some of your courses as well, which that last

1018
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,360
one that you've got coming up. I'm sure all of

1019
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,639
them are relevant, but in terms of paranormal research as well,

1020
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,079
this would be a really interesting course in terms of

1021
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,199
the work that we do, especially those, if I'm going

1022
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,719
to go a little bit on my soapboxer, especially those

1023
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,519
paranormal teams that go into private locations that investigate and

1024
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:31,320
then just come away.

1025
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1026
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: I think knowledge is needed so much there. Absolutely we

1027
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,000
have private residences that just want to know what's going on.

1028
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,679
But I think sometimes when a paranormal team goes in

1029
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,880
kind of redes a research and says, yes, there's something

1030
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,679
can know there is and then kind of walks away

1031
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,960
from it, I don't feel like they heal anything I

1032
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,920
don't feel like they make anything better either, so that

1033
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,599
would be really interesting. So we'll definitely share that on

1034
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,000
our pages as well. So thank thank you so much

1035
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:03,519
for joining us, and we look forward to seeing what

1036
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:04,519
else you got coming up.

1037
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: Great talking to you, thanks for having me.

1038
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,199
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

1039
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: So we're going to say good night and we will

1040
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:14,360
see you guys next time.

1041
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,119
Speaker 3: Bye bye bye