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Speaker 1: In this episode, I talked to two individuals, one about
Speaker 1: their encounter in remote Montana and the other about their
Speaker 1: remote encounter around Kosbay, Oregon. All right, Bigfest Society, We've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Kathy tonight. Kathy is
Speaker 1: a listener and she contacted me regarding some things that
Speaker 1: have happened to her over the years. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go ahead and give it right over to Kathy, but
Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing tonight. Kathy.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome Jeremiah, I appreciate you having a platform
Speaker 2: that allows somebody like me who's never talked about this
Speaker 2: to actually have the opportunity to say something and you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of validate what I went through, you know,
Speaker 2: so thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it absolutely. I feel it's very very important
Speaker 1: to be able to give people a platform where they
Speaker 1: feel validated, safe to speak about things without feeling like
Speaker 1: they're going to get ridiculed. But so, Kathy, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for green to come on. I'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and let you take it from here.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I guess the first thing to say is
Speaker 2: I was born and raised in Montana. Forty three years
Speaker 2: of my life, I spent from east to west, not
Speaker 2: to south, literally for hundred miles as the crow flies
Speaker 2: east to west and three hundred north to south. I've
Speaker 2: been all across Montana, living in different places, working in
Speaker 2: different places, and kind of early in my life, I
Speaker 2: ended up in a little tiny town called Pony And
Speaker 2: that's at the base of Holotop Mountain in the Tobacco
Speaker 2: Root Mountains. Okay, this is in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Eighty some people was the actual amount of people that
Speaker 2: lived in that town. So I was there in Abount
Speaker 2: ninety eight or ninety nine, okay, And I traveled the
Speaker 2: same road back and forth to both of my jobs
Speaker 2: there every single day except for one day a week basically.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: Just one of these drives that I just noticed this huge,
Speaker 2: monstrous bull moose had come down into the koolie right
Speaker 2: by this road because it runs by this creek that
Speaker 2: feeds the whole koolie, so that stays green all year long,
Speaker 2: whether there's no water anywhere else, spots got water and green.
Speaker 2: So he showed up there, and so I just started
Speaker 2: paying attention because the guy kept being there and kept
Speaker 2: being there. And so one night I got home from
Speaker 2: work and the other half was at the house and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, that moose. It's not dark yet, and
Speaker 2: that moose is right out there. Let's go take a look.
Speaker 2: I'll show you because he wanted to see him. So
Speaker 2: we jump in a Pontiac car and go driving down
Speaker 2: the road and it's getting like half dark. You know,
Speaker 2: you could see shapes and stuff, but you couldn't really
Speaker 2: see a lot of definition. So we went down there
Speaker 2: and we're looking for him and could not see this moose.
Speaker 2: And I had just passed him like twenty minutes earlier,
Speaker 2: and he was just gone, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe tomorrow I'll see him on the way in. And
Speaker 2: the next day on the way to work, I saw horns,
Speaker 2: is what I saw. Actually, I slowed down and I
Speaker 2: was really looking, and all I saw was like these
Speaker 2: horns pie It kind of popped up from the grass,
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, no, somebody shot that moose. That's
Speaker 2: the first thing I thought is somebody had poached that
Speaker 2: moose and just shot it. And anyway, I went to
Speaker 2: work and I felt awful, but I went back home
Speaker 2: and told the other half again, you know, I know
Speaker 2: what happened in that moose. Somebody probably shot it, and
Speaker 2: he was rather upset about that. But so we get
Speaker 2: in the car again and go down there, and this
Speaker 2: is when this happened. It was the weirdest thing because
Speaker 2: there was a road a little just an access road
Speaker 2: right off of the one that we were on. So
Speaker 2: we pulled in there, had the lights on the car on,
Speaker 2: and he kind of swung it down into that coolie
Speaker 2: so that the lights would go down to where I
Speaker 2: was trying to show him where it was at. And
Speaker 2: we saw it. We saw the horns again, you know,
Speaker 2: sticking up out of the grass, and I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody probably shot that moose. And so we
Speaker 2: were just kind of sitting there and on the I
Speaker 2: had the wind, we had all the windows down because
Speaker 2: it was the middle of summer, and we're just sitting
Speaker 2: there and I started hearing something on the right handside
Speaker 2: of me coming up that koolie in that grass, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, there's something down here. So we don't
Speaker 2: want to walk up on a moot. I'm not on
Speaker 2: a bear, you know. I did not want to walk
Speaker 2: up on a bear or something that was down there
Speaker 2: eating that moose. So he backed the car back out
Speaker 2: into the highway and I looked over out the window
Speaker 2: and there was this brown thing coming up the side
Speaker 2: of the hill and I went, oh, it's a dog.
Speaker 2: And I'm because I saw it it would look short
Speaker 2: because it was this brown bear. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a dog. And he's like, oh okay, and I said, no,
Speaker 2: it's not a dog, it's a cow. Because it kept
Speaker 2: coming up the hill and it was getting bigger and
Speaker 2: I could see this brown and a second later, this
Speaker 2: horrible stench just destroyed our car. It was the most
Speaker 2: disgusting smell I've ever smelled. And I said it is
Speaker 2: a bear because I knew that a grizzly would do that,
Speaker 2: roll in the garbage that they're eating, and so I
Speaker 2: said it is a bear and he took off. This
Speaker 2: thing was not a bear because it was running beside
Speaker 2: our car. I could have reached out and touched it.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at legs. Now, that was the craziest thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at these brownish gray legs and brown hair,
Speaker 2: and it was beside us, and I could see pads
Speaker 2: of feet. I could see this like brownish tant It
Speaker 2: looked like leather, brown feet, bottoms. I couldn't see these
Speaker 2: flashes as it was running, and I told him go faster.
Speaker 2: I was just basically panicked at that point because I'm
Speaker 2: seeing just legs beside me, and I'm just I'm not
Speaker 2: focusing on anything else except for this thing could grab
Speaker 2: me right now. We're right next to each other, and
Speaker 2: so he just took off as fast as that car
Speaker 2: would go, and weasically on the drive homework and kind
Speaker 2: of too much shock, and I was shaken like a leaf.
Speaker 2: I was literally Jello inside and I just looked at
Speaker 2: him and I said, did you see that? You know,
Speaker 2: because I wasn't sure if he had seen what I
Speaker 2: had seen. And he said, I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it. And I said, did you see that? What
Speaker 2: did you see what I was looking at? And he said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it. And Jeremiah, I
Speaker 2: thought about this for a long time. I really did,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why will he not talk to me
Speaker 2: about this? But a long time getting to really know somebody.
Speaker 2: He was a very he was a bully. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to talk. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 2: about anybody, but I need the backstory here for his reaction.
Speaker 2: And I finally figured it out. He's always belligerent and
Speaker 2: a bully, you know. He was the big man, and
Speaker 2: he always got his way the highway. And that night
Speaker 2: was the only light I've ever seen him show fear.
Speaker 2: I never saw him show fear at any other point
Speaker 2: in time. And this man was burned from head to toe.
Speaker 2: He went through terrible things and he just gritted his
Speaker 2: teeth and buried it. But he was scared to death
Speaker 2: that night, and I think that's why he would never
Speaker 2: talk to me because that was the only time he
Speaker 2: ever showed me absolute fear of something. You know, he
Speaker 2: wasn't the big man in the woods. And so that
Speaker 2: was the first time something strange happened. And that was
Speaker 2: over in the Tobaccoy Mountains and that was it was
Speaker 2: like three four years later, we moved to another town
Speaker 2: north of Paradise Valley and hunted in the Gallatin and
Speaker 2: Custern National Forest. We went to the Absolocus. We were
Speaker 2: all over the place, the custom and sweet grass all
Speaker 2: down through there. And we actually took a hunting trip
Speaker 2: one day south of Livingston on the west side of
Speaker 2: the highway and that's the Custern National Forest area there
Speaker 2: and you can go out there and hunt elk. So
Speaker 2: that's what we were doing. I had a thirty out six,
Speaker 2: he had a two seventy, and we just went out
Speaker 2: there and we're walking. Parked the vehicle and we're walking.
Speaker 2: It was the middle of the day. We're walking out there,
Speaker 2: and I was about fifty yards behind my ex husband,
Speaker 2: my husband at the time. I kept a little distance
Speaker 2: because if he saw something, he would basically just freeze
Speaker 2: and then I would freeze, you know, and that's how
Speaker 2: he wanted it. And so I was about fifty minutes
Speaker 2: behind him, just trailing him, and I kept hearing something
Speaker 2: behind me, and I kept saying, there's somebody or something
Speaker 2: out here behind me, because every time you stop and
Speaker 2: I stop, I hear something. Then it stops and then
Speaker 2: we go. And I said, this is really unerving. I
Speaker 2: don't want to be the far away and he got
Speaker 2: annoyed with me, but he said, okay, So we kind
Speaker 2: of kind of gret together down into these bottoms. You know,
Speaker 2: you got the mountains up at the top, but then
Speaker 2: at the bottom they're pretty clear, they're grassy areas, easy
Speaker 2: to get through and walk through, and so I kept
Speaker 2: hearing that he and I said, why don't you go,
Speaker 2: you know, behind me for a minute, and you might
Speaker 2: hear this. And so we just kept walking and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hear something, but I'm not sure what it is.
Speaker 2: But it did not sound like an animal. It just
Speaker 2: did not sound like an animal. It was just weird.
Speaker 2: And as we're going along, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: brush to the right of us just exploded and this
Speaker 2: huge cow moose came running just out of those freaking
Speaker 2: bushes and right in front of us and just kept
Speaker 2: on going. That thing acted like we did not even exist.
Speaker 2: And that was when I said, Okay, I'm very uncomfortable
Speaker 2: with this situation. I don't care what gun you have.
Speaker 2: There's something happening here because she didn't even look at us,
Speaker 2: So something bigger than us is after her. You know,
Speaker 2: that's my logic. I'm logical and rational. I'm thinking, if
Speaker 2: that thing ain't even looking at us and being worried
Speaker 2: about it, there's something worse coming up the hill. And
Speaker 2: I just get that horrible sick feeling like something very
Speaker 2: bad is about to happen here. But we turned around.
Speaker 2: We turned around because I did actually tell them I'm
Speaker 2: not going any further. I'm not going to do that anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to walk into a bear. And that's
Speaker 2: what I kept thinking to myself, it's got to be
Speaker 2: a bear. I always blame it all bears first and foremost.
Speaker 2: But that did not sound like a bear. That most
Speaker 2: just didn't seem like, you know, she even cared that
Speaker 2: we existed, and she just went right past us. But
Speaker 2: the one weird thing am I I was gonna tell
Speaker 2: you about Pony. Those are the two different places anyway,
Speaker 2: I had these weird experiences. But the one thing about
Speaker 2: Pony is where we lived. We lived right at the
Speaker 2: base of hol Atop, and so our neighbors had a
Speaker 2: house beside us they rented, and in their house, on
Speaker 2: the back of their houses, they had huge motion sensor
Speaker 2: flood lights. Okay, on the back of these houses that
Speaker 2: were beside us, the two beside us, and they had
Speaker 2: a four and a half foot picket fence around their house.
Speaker 2: And so at night, when I was by myself, the
Speaker 2: lights would just flash on. I'd go look at it.
Speaker 2: You know, oh, there's some deer or there's the dog
Speaker 2: outside or whatever. But occasionally you would go out there
Speaker 2: to the window and look, and the deer would be
Speaker 2: screaming through that failed and right into their yard where
Speaker 2: those lights would come on, and then keep on going.
Speaker 2: And then just split second later you'd see a big
Speaker 2: cat chasing them right through the yard. Those those mountain
Speaker 2: lions up there would come right through the yards after
Speaker 2: those deer, and you'd see the big four and a
Speaker 2: half foot tail flipping above the fence, and you knew
Speaker 2: it wasn't the dog out there. So you stayed in
Speaker 2: the house for a while but that was just a Honestly,
Speaker 2: in the wintertime, that was almost normal occurrence. Those deer
Speaker 2: to run right down that creek, right to the backyards
Speaker 2: in those big lighted you know, big lit up places,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you'd see something chase them. Sometimes you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: But sometimes those deer would come down there so fast
Speaker 2: and nothing would follow them into the light, and they
Speaker 2: would sit there in that yard and you could see
Speaker 2: them shaking. I mean, you could see these deer quivering,
Speaker 2: but they didn't run like they did when the mountain
Speaker 2: lions were behind them. They kept going. But occasionally these
Speaker 2: deer would come down there and get into those yards,
Speaker 2: those two yards, and they wouldn't move. They'd just sit
Speaker 2: there shaking, and nothing thing come into the light. And
Speaker 2: those are the questions that I have. Was something out
Speaker 2: there that knew I'm not walking into those lights. I'll
Speaker 2: chase a deer, but I'm not walking into those lights
Speaker 2: because the cats didn't care. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They didn't care about the light. They were chasing that
Speaker 2: deer down. So just weird stuff like that happened up there.
Speaker 2: The moose, we had another moose, it was a cal moose.
Speaker 2: When she would drop her twins. She had twins three
Speaker 2: years in a row up there, and when she would
Speaker 2: drop her twins, she would do it right there in
Speaker 2: that field with those lights. That's where she would raise
Speaker 2: those two twins, right there in the back by the crik,
Speaker 2: where those huge lights were on all night, because every
Speaker 2: time she moved it turned on. So that's another thing
Speaker 2: that I questioned too. Wasn't that moose understanding that as
Speaker 2: long as they're here, they're safe. You know? That also
Speaker 2: made me wonder that there's something out there that's enormous
Speaker 2: that's three times as tall as a normal Pontiac car
Speaker 2: at least, I mean, because all I saw was legs
Speaker 2: and feet. That's the only thing I saw. And so
Speaker 2: you know, that's really my experience is in a couple
Speaker 2: of the things I have questions about, like were they
Speaker 2: responding to something out there that I didn't even I
Speaker 2: didn't have to believe myself at the time, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. But that's that's really what happened, is
Speaker 2: seeing it right by the car. That was the big
Speaker 2: thing for me, as actually I could have reached out
Speaker 2: and touched it at the time, but thank goodness, it
Speaker 2: didn't touch me, you know.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: That is an incredible account. It's just it's very man.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I would handle it. Were
Speaker 1: the windows down in the car really, so it was,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. So you're in this now you're saying
Speaker 1: a Pontiac car, was it?
Speaker 2: It's a Bonnaville.
Speaker 1: It's a Bonaville, so that.
Speaker 2: It was like a nineteen ninety Bonaville.
Speaker 1: Okay, which is lower to the ground, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but you had the windows down.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, yeah, it's Montana in the middle of summer.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have the windows down. You don't run the ac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes total sense. So you had mentioned that
Speaker 1: you could see the legs, the pads of the feet.
Speaker 1: Did you notice any other part in addition.
Speaker 4: I I don't know if I heard anything.
Speaker 2: That's I'm makes me wonder because I thought it was,
Speaker 2: like like I say, I was. My brain was triggering
Speaker 2: what could this be? And it was just getting bigger,
Speaker 2: and so my brain was going bigger and bigger. And
Speaker 2: when I thought it was like a cow beside us,
Speaker 2: I thought I heard like a cow huffing when a
Speaker 2: cow runs, they will huff, you know, they labor, and
Speaker 2: so I thought that's why I thought it was a cow,
Speaker 2: because it was like shorter two three inch brownish hair,
Speaker 2: and I think I heard it huffing, and that's why
Speaker 2: I thought at first, Oh, that's gotta be a cow.
Speaker 2: But then it kept coming up the side of the
Speaker 2: koolie right to our I mean, he was headed right
Speaker 2: to us. That was the problem is that my brain
Speaker 2: was not working fast enough to go, what is what
Speaker 2: am I looking at? Until I was just looking at
Speaker 2: legs and then like I said, I could see the
Speaker 2: feet pads and it was just these enormous, enormous legs.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any arms hands. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you had them up or what, but I just there's
Speaker 2: not much else. The smell was the worst part. The
Speaker 2: smell made me literally I was gagging. I was gagging.
Speaker 2: It was so bad. And it stayed in that car.
Speaker 2: It lingered with the windows down eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: It was horrid.
Speaker 1: So you saw it come up the banks of the
Speaker 1: koolie to the car. You said that you're you weren't
Speaker 1: really thinking of what was going on at the time,
Speaker 1: But do you remember, like looking at the creature at
Speaker 1: that time, like looking at its face or anything like that,
Speaker 1: or no, there wasn't any.
Speaker 2: It was coming up sideways. So all I was basically
Speaker 2: seeing was I believe I think I was seeing like
Speaker 2: head shoulders coming up or something as it was coming
Speaker 2: up the side. But it was coming like what do
Speaker 2: you call it, like in a thirty five forty five
Speaker 2: degree angle coming up that we were turning around and
Speaker 2: trying and getting ready to go. So it was coming
Speaker 2: up at an angle almost kind of beside behind me.
Speaker 2: So when I'm looking, I'm seeing this just this brown
Speaker 2: stuff to my right as it's coming up there. And
Speaker 2: that's what got me is we kind of crested together.
Speaker 2: Basically it got to the top of there at the
Speaker 2: same time that we turned. We had turned around, so
Speaker 2: he basically turned around and put me right beside this thing.
Speaker 2: When he turned to the left to go back, he
Speaker 2: put me right beside it. And that's when I'm looking
Speaker 2: out directly beside me, right at the mirror with this
Speaker 2: thing beside us running. That's that's my biggest when I
Speaker 2: saw it the most is right there at the mirror
Speaker 2: when it was running beside us.
Speaker 1: At any point, did you get a feeling for how tall.
Speaker 2: It was, Like I say, it had to be what
Speaker 2: at least three times the size of that car? And
Speaker 2: when I got out of the car, I'm a short person, okay,
Speaker 2: so let's say four feet three feet three and a
Speaker 2: half four feet it was enormous. Like is that All
Speaker 2: I saw was legs, like like right above the knee down.
Speaker 2: Literally I could see the knee movement. And but that's
Speaker 2: it was right there, is what I was looking out
Speaker 2: out that window like at three and a half feet,
Speaker 2: so eight nine feet probably I would say something like.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, wow, did you ever go back to look
Speaker 1: at that area after this had happened? Did you go
Speaker 1: back the next day? Or is just you were staying
Speaker 1: away from that area?
Speaker 2: I had to drive past it every single day to
Speaker 2: go to work. I didn't have a choice. That was
Speaker 2: the crazy part is I would literally for a long time,
Speaker 2: I would just pray, please just get me past that spot.
Speaker 2: Please just get me past that spot.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what And that's stupid because that thing could be
Speaker 2: anywhere everywhere, Seriously, it could be long gone. But in
Speaker 2: my brain, I was like, just get me past that spot.
Speaker 2: That's all I care about. I don't want to break
Speaker 2: down there, no, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean to have to probably relive
Speaker 1: that over and over in your mind daily on the
Speaker 1: way to work. That would be not a fun time
Speaker 1: for sure. That area that you lived in, was it
Speaker 1: a thing where people would ever talk about Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Ever? Oh, they would talk about their cows missing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because there was a couple of really big black angus
Speaker 2: ranches right there in that valley. Pony was kind of
Speaker 2: up in the mountain, and all that entire valley, all
Speaker 2: the way down to basically Ennis is nothing but cattle, cattle,
Speaker 2: land raising lands, things of that nature. And they would
Speaker 2: talk about that cows disappearing when they have them down
Speaker 2: in the valley. They would actually just you know, go
Speaker 2: out one day, feed the cows, next day, feed the cows,
Speaker 2: and then they're like, wait a minute, where's that where's
Speaker 2: that cow? Where's four fifteen or where's two ninety one,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And they were just gone.
Speaker 2: And so they did talk about that a lot, and
Speaker 2: they I don't know if any of them had their
Speaker 2: own encounters at any time, but those cattle ranchers are
Speaker 2: closed mouth about their land. They don't talk about much
Speaker 2: of anything down there. You know. They don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about wolves, they don't want to talk about bears,
Speaker 2: they don't want to talk about anything because if somebody
Speaker 2: goes after their cattle, the three s's, you know what
Speaker 2: that is, right, that's that's kind of how that works,
Speaker 2: three three s's, I don't sorry, shoot shovel and shut up, okay, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's how that works. So that's why I say they're
Speaker 2: kind of tight lipped around there, because that's just the
Speaker 2: law of land. So I'm sure they would not want
Speaker 2: to discuss anything like that that somebody might want to protect. Seriously,
Speaker 2: it's just how it is with land.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, going off of what you've experienced,
Speaker 1: you know, some brief interactions, have you ever thought to yourself,
Speaker 1: had to work through, like what you think these might
Speaker 1: actually be.
Speaker 2: I would say that they're they're an animal. Honestly, they're
Speaker 2: just an animal. I don't think that they're demons. I
Speaker 2: don't think that they're nephilom. I don't think there are
Speaker 2: any of that. I think they are animals. Plain and
Speaker 2: simple logic and reason tells us the simplest answer is
Speaker 2: usually the correct answer. Correct? Is that not right?
Speaker 1: I'm sure yep, yep, that is that is a logical thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I really do I think they're just animals. Yes,
Speaker 2: I do believe they're intelligent. I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: animals are intelligent. I absolutely know that they can. They
Speaker 2: can figure stuff out that they probably can mimic it
Speaker 2: and talk, and they probably have their own communication and
Speaker 2: their own words and things of that nature. That's fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen a murder of pros one
Speaker 2: of them learned something? Everybody learns it because they sit
Speaker 2: around and they chatter it, you know, so they just
Speaker 2: start learning this stuff. I don't think they're stupid animals.
Speaker 2: I think they're extremely intelligent animals. But I do believe
Speaker 2: they're still animals.
Speaker 1: Being a person that's lived in Montana for so long,
Speaker 1: I've talked to a few people from Montana, and there's
Speaker 1: some really interesting things that happen up there. I'm just
Speaker 1: curious if it's anything you've ever heard of. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of people finding like grizzly bears that have
Speaker 1: had their necks broken in Montana?
Speaker 4: Ever?
Speaker 1: You have?
Speaker 2: Yes, Paradise Valley, Yes, Paradise Valley. They actually I kind
Speaker 2: of know I had it end at the time down
Speaker 2: there with somebody that was involved with that stuff. But
Speaker 2: they were actually fine. These grizzlies dead, and the Park Service,
Speaker 2: the rangers, they knew about it because that's kind of
Speaker 2: where the line came from. Where the information came from,
Speaker 2: was through the through that I used to do some
Speaker 2: other stuff law enforcement wise for quite a few years
Speaker 2: there in Montana, and that's where they were that came from,
Speaker 2: but directly from the Park Service. Yeah, they're finding dead
Speaker 2: grizzlies in Paradise Valley, and they're finding dead campers up
Speaker 2: in Custer National Forest. They're they're finding like people on
Speaker 2: one side of a mountain ridge and their entire packs
Speaker 2: and shoes and everything else seventeen eighteen miles away on
Speaker 2: another side of the mountain. I don't know if anybody's
Speaker 2: ever talked to you about those, but that's something that
Speaker 2: actually happens here, and they don't know why these people
Speaker 2: are dead in one spot and all their stuff was
Speaker 2: somewhere else. If they you know, and they're just dead.
Speaker 1: I believe that was called out in That's a Missing
Speaker 1: four on one thing with David Plaiti's I think. I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's done that documentary.
Speaker 2: Yep, he's done that. Yeah, that's right, and that's not
Speaker 2: a lie. That is the absolute truth. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I had some inns with these places, and that is
Speaker 2: the truth. That's crazy and I'm the first time I
Speaker 2: read and I was like, there's got to be a
Speaker 2: logical explanation. There's no logical explanation for finding that. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no logic. These people knew what they were doing
Speaker 2: out there. They were well prepared. It's not like it
Speaker 2: was the first time they went on a hike.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Something happened to these people.
Speaker 1: It's I remember looking into that myself, and it just
Speaker 1: it does not make sense at all. Going back to
Speaker 1: the grizzlies, do you say that so they were found
Speaker 1: they were found dead, but you said their next were
Speaker 1: broken as well.
Speaker 2: Not only their necks were broken, but they were there
Speaker 2: actually their bodies were mangled. They weren't just somebody broke
Speaker 2: their neck and let them lay there. They were mangled bears.
Speaker 2: And that's what the problem was, because they're like a
Speaker 2: wolf pack is potentially capable of doing this, you know,
Speaker 2: absolutely capable if the pack goes after a bear, it's possible, Okay,
Speaker 2: so we're in the realm of possibility. But who's going
Speaker 2: to mangle that body and not eat it? That's the thing.
Speaker 2: If the wolves are going to take the time and
Speaker 2: energy to kill a bear, they're going to eat it
Speaker 2: because they've wasted all their energy killing it. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Can can you just you said the bodies were
Speaker 1: found mangled? Can you? And not to get too crazy,
Speaker 1: but can you describe like what that exactly means?
Speaker 2: That they were just broken like they're not. They were
Speaker 2: legs broken, they were mangled like twisted backs and all kinds,
Speaker 2: just mangled like they had been manhandled to the point
Speaker 2: of death, just manhandled to the point of they're just
Speaker 2: mangled and left there. And that's why I say that
Speaker 2: if they were if they were killed by another natural predator,
Speaker 2: that predator doesn't take all of that time and energy
Speaker 2: to kill something like that unless they're going to eat it.
Speaker 2: That's just natural selection. You know, the energy they spend,
Speaker 2: they have to get a reserve. Again, they've got to
Speaker 2: eat it.
Speaker 1: And you're saying that it was just left there.
Speaker 2: They're just left there, Yes, and they have the pictures
Speaker 2: of them. That's the thing. And I don't know why
Speaker 2: people are so tight lipped about this business. You know,
Speaker 2: if there's if that's happening down in the bar Tooth
Speaker 2: and Absorca wilderness, that's a playground for millions of people
Speaker 2: every year. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And your thoughts? What could break the neck of a
Speaker 1: grizzly bear.
Speaker 2: On the very edge of the realm of possibilities? Okay,
Speaker 2: this is all I'm going to say. On the very
Speaker 2: edge of the realm of possibilities. I have seen bull
Speaker 2: elk and bull moose that could probably do that if
Speaker 2: they absolutely had to in some weird way with their horns.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that would be big enough and
Speaker 2: strong enough to even attempt to do something like that.
Speaker 2: There is nothing else out there. That's why I said,
Speaker 2: the wolves are not going to do that. Wolves are
Speaker 2: not going to do that. They can't they don't have hands.
Speaker 2: There is no other option. And I'm sorry, but that's
Speaker 2: the truth. There are big, big, big animals out there
Speaker 2: that are I think that that's what's happening. I really do.
Speaker 2: I think that that's what's happening. I think they're being
Speaker 2: killed by bigfoot end of story. There's no other logical explanation.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you it's something that's come up at
Speaker 1: random times over the last few years. Big for Society
Speaker 1: will be right back after these messages. There's been interviews
Speaker 1: where talked to a gentleman in Oregon where he found
Speaker 1: a black bear that was pretty much mangled by a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: There was a hunter that was mangled by bigfoot in
Speaker 1: northern Alabama in a similar way. It just it's wild
Speaker 1: when you start to connect pieces from different parts of
Speaker 1: the country like that. So I was talking to a
Speaker 1: gentleman a while ago named Ken Metzger. He's a bigfoot
Speaker 1: researcher in Montana. You ever heard anything where there could
Speaker 1: be connections between missing for on one cases and bigfoot. Besides,
Speaker 1: you know, we did already talk about the one person
Speaker 1: that was found on the side of the mountain, But
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, Because once I started connecting the dots myself,
Speaker 2: other things that I was listening to and reading and
Speaker 2: seeing were just like absolutely mind blowing to me, thinking that,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this possibly could be one of the
Speaker 2: biggest shocks to people out there. It really could. It
Speaker 2: could be one of the biggest things that ever happens
Speaker 2: is then finding out that these people they go out here,
Speaker 2: they're not just they're not just disappearing. They're they're not
Speaker 2: just you know, walking off the trail for no dang reason.
Speaker 2: These people something's happening to them. End of story. And
Speaker 2: if that's what it is, then that's what it is.
Speaker 2: We need to start. Like I'm saying, I'm based in
Speaker 2: logic and reality, you know, and that's the most logical
Speaker 2: explanation for any of it is. Actually, but actually seeing
Speaker 2: something like that and putting all these little pieces together
Speaker 2: that I didn't understand at the time, it does point
Speaker 2: me in only one direction, it really does. These people
Speaker 2: are coming in contact with something like that out there,
Speaker 2: and they're getting the short end of the stick.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Over the years, have you ever heard of any
Speaker 1: other strange things that have been happening in the Paradise Valley.
Speaker 2: Area, Well, there was only one other thing that happened
Speaker 2: and was extremely tragic, But this was over in the
Speaker 2: eastern side of the state. It was the middle of winter,
Speaker 2: probably two thousand and eight, something like that. Two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, we had a gentleman that we knew. He
Speaker 2: took off to go hunting his four wheeler. Okay, he
Speaker 2: has four wheeler all packed up because he was headed out.
Speaker 2: He was going to stay out, and he disappeared, and
Speaker 2: later on, once the ice kind of broke, they found
Speaker 2: him attached to his four wheeler in the river, and
Speaker 2: they were like, what would make somebody who knows this place,
Speaker 2: who was born and raised here, who has hunted here
Speaker 2: their whole life, what would make somebody veer off course
Speaker 2: and drive over a river they know is not frozen.
Speaker 2: He absolutely knew that was not frozen. And it makes
Speaker 2: me think what would scare someone that bad that they
Speaker 2: would lose all all thoughts of safety and drive onto
Speaker 2: a river they know is not frozen. And his boot
Speaker 2: got stuck on the bottom peg on his four wheeler
Speaker 2: and it killed that man. He went down with his
Speaker 2: four wheeler. Now, I don't know what else would make
Speaker 2: you that afraid. You know, absolutely, That's something I've always questioned,
Speaker 2: Why would a person do that, that is so intelligent,
Speaker 2: so good at being outdoors, Why would he do that?
Speaker 1: If the missing four on one events. It's not something
Speaker 1: that I've looked a lot into, but the things that
Speaker 1: I have looked into. It's just it does not make sense,
Speaker 1: and it's just a very scary thing that it does happen.
Speaker 1: Then maybe I'll start to hear more about different things
Speaker 1: as well. If you had the ability or you could
Speaker 1: make the decision too, would you choose to have an
Speaker 1: interaction or see a bigfoot creature again or is it
Speaker 1: something that you would rather not take part in.
Speaker 2: No, I'm kind of a I'm kind of an odd
Speaker 2: duck Jeremiah. I don't really get Once I think about
Speaker 2: something and get it in the right place in my head,
Speaker 2: once I get it straightened out in my head, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty logical and really level. Honestly, I did. I was
Speaker 2: a nine one one operator for several years, and everybody
Speaker 2: told me it was the best job I ever did
Speaker 2: and got because when crap is happening, I don't panic. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not the panicker. I'm the person that'll stand there
Speaker 2: and watch it happen and take note of everything that happens.
Speaker 2: I'm not a panicker. So after I thought about it,
Speaker 2: I really did. I started listening to stuff and really
Speaker 2: research and stuff more, and I thought, you know, to me,
Speaker 2: I think it would be I think it would be crazy,
Speaker 2: but I you know, I think I would. I want
Speaker 2: to know this, I really do. I want to be
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure, And I don't like that question
Speaker 2: mark in my head for so many years that I
Speaker 2: could never talk to anybody about because I always did
Speaker 2: think these people will think I'm nuts. They're gonna put
Speaker 2: me up in the looney bin if I say anything
Speaker 2: about this. But I do, I fully, I really do think.
Speaker 2: It scared the crap out of me at the time,
Speaker 2: but after I thought about it, I would actually not
Speaker 2: mind seeing one from a distance, down in a coolie
Speaker 2: like I say, or across the mountain, you know, down
Speaker 2: in the valley while I'm up here on the side.
Speaker 2: I think it would be really interesting to actually see
Speaker 2: a full figure, the whole thing, and know what it was,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Instead, I have these questions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it would be very interesting. You know, I haven't
Speaker 1: had the opportunity yet, but it would be very interesting
Speaker 1: to be able to actually have a visual for sure.
Speaker 1: Since you brought it up, do you have a question,
Speaker 1: and you can choose whether to answer it or not,
Speaker 1: of course, but during your time working nine one one,
Speaker 1: did you ever receive any calls of people that had
Speaker 1: seen a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: No, I just received calls of the people on the
Speaker 2: reservation disappearing, because I worked in an area that also
Speaker 2: covered two reservations and there was there's always a lot
Speaker 2: of disappearances there. And sometimes they would find the people's
Speaker 2: bodies in the in the river. Sometimes they would never
Speaker 2: find them at all. Sometimes they would find them on
Speaker 2: the side of a road. Those were the weird ones
Speaker 2: because there really didn't seem to be any real explanation
Speaker 2: for what happened to these people. They just disappeared and
Speaker 2: sometimes they were found and sometimes they weren't.
Speaker 1: And I was about it, Wow, that would be definitely
Speaker 1: I think what does take a special type of person
Speaker 1: to be able to take calls for that? And it
Speaker 1: sounded like you were definitely well equipped to do that.
Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate that. That's my entire that's really been
Speaker 2: my my most of my entire life. That's been my
Speaker 2: way I earned my living, you know, as things like that,
Speaker 2: and so I'm I was hesitant to say anything at first,
Speaker 2: but then I thought, you know, I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna talk about it, and then I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: it to rest, and I'm in Arkansas now and Arkansas's
Speaker 2: I did not have any idea about all the sightings here.
Speaker 2: So now I'm like, oh, man, did I go from
Speaker 2: the frying pan into the fire or what?
Speaker 1: Well, Kathy, you may have depending on where you are.
Speaker 1: What if you're in northwestern Arkansas, you did? I did?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I get so many reports and people talking
Speaker 1: to me about northwest Arkansas Buffalo River, and then you've
Speaker 1: got like, because that's close to washita A National Forest
Speaker 1: southeast Oklahoma. I mean the whole area is just just
Speaker 1: wild with bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. I live right in the middle of the
Speaker 2: National Forest and by Lake Greeson, so that it's X
Speaker 2: marks the spot basically. Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Oh so in the Washatas Yeah, you're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow the thing? Yeah? Is it? This whole place?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Holy moly, Yeah, this place I won't go anywhere at
Speaker 2: night I'm not familiar with. And I'm seriously because I'm
Speaker 2: I don't want that by myself. I don't ever want
Speaker 2: to have that interaction by myself. I don't, So I'm
Speaker 2: pretty picky about where I go here.
Speaker 1: You know, it seems like in that area that subject
Speaker 1: would come up pretty easily. Has that ever come up
Speaker 1: in conversation with other people down there.
Speaker 2: I've got a couple guys that do a bunch of
Speaker 2: fishing all over the place. They've actually had little stories
Speaker 2: that they telled me about somebody bothering them. And I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say anything to these people. I work
Speaker 2: with these people, and the last thing I want them
Speaker 2: to do is, like I said, I think I'm a
Speaker 2: nut job or something. So they have these interesting stories
Speaker 2: about their like their boat going what do you call
Speaker 2: it more your boat basically right when you go up
Speaker 2: and land your boat, that they would camp out, do
Speaker 2: their fishing camp out and get up in the morning
Speaker 2: and somebody had on moored the boat and it's gone,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're like, who could do that? You know,
Speaker 2: why would someone do that? And who could do that?
Speaker 2: And just little things like that. But they've never said
Speaker 2: anything about seeing anything or hearing anything.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to look more into it, you're in
Speaker 1: the right area for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly how I feel. And you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm becoming more and more and more curious over time,
Speaker 2: and I think it's because of just all of the
Speaker 2: information that's out there. I just I just actually voraciously,
Speaker 2: you know, go through information over time, and I just
Speaker 2: listen to everything I can and read all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But I really do believe, honestly, this is an animal.
Speaker 2: You know, people put so much behind it and everything,
Speaker 2: and sometimes yeah, weird crap can happen around them. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm not disclaiming discounting anybody's stories. I don't know anything
Speaker 2: about this. This is just my opinion is that they're
Speaker 2: they're animals, you know, and they're out there, and people
Speaker 2: should just be aware, you know, that that's a potential
Speaker 2: something could happen. You know, just be careful.
Speaker 1: I would really hope, you know, in our lifetime hopefully
Speaker 1: we get the final answer, you know, whether that's a
Speaker 1: that's some specimen or something's captured. It would be great
Speaker 1: if we could get some some final answer. But we
Speaker 1: will see, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It'll come around. Eventually, it'll come around. That's all there
Speaker 2: is to it. That The only thing that needs to
Speaker 2: happen is there actually needs to be a concerted effort
Speaker 2: between all these different groups. Seriously, people need to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: put all differences aside. We're going to blanket this entire area,
Speaker 2: whichever area may be that's the most that has the
Speaker 2: most sightings or that just blanket the entire area with
Speaker 2: so many people and so many trail cams and just
Speaker 2: do that, you know, come together. That's the only thing
Speaker 2: I see when I listen to all this stuff. Everybody's
Speaker 2: doing their own little thing, and that's awesome. But if
Speaker 2: you really want to make an impact, work together. Make
Speaker 2: it happen, because boots on the ground is what is
Speaker 2: going to find this. That's what's going to find this.
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I mean, first off, focus on you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's a certain area in southeast Oklahoma or maybe
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. But yeah, just make it like almost a
Speaker 1: search and rescue but you know, kind of different. Get everyone,
Speaker 1: but you got to have the manpower behind it. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I get Yeah, it always comes back
Speaker 1: to if the government's involved or not. It's what it
Speaker 1: seems to come back to in these chats. But I'm
Speaker 1: not too sure about that one.
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of why I think that way, because
Speaker 2: that's you know, part of the job that I did
Speaker 2: was also support for search and rescue, ambulance, fire, you know,
Speaker 2: all of that, And that's exactly how I feel. You
Speaker 2: take the map out, you grid your map, You put
Speaker 2: these people here at this grid, these people here at
Speaker 2: this grid. You know, that's exactly what my mind went to, Jeremiah, honestly,
Speaker 2: is more blank search and rescue, because how do you
Speaker 2: find a little girl in the middle of nowhere Custer County, Montana,
Speaker 2: that's nothing but flat planes and dry scrub brush and
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. You know, a little girl went
Speaker 2: missing out there. It took us three and a half
Speaker 2: days to find her. She was less than a mile
Speaker 2: away from home. Oh wow, people getting on four wheelers
Speaker 2: and horses and walking that area after three days that
Speaker 2: found her. That's how you do it, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, something to think about, and it'd be an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation to to start having in the community. I think, Kathy,
Speaker 1: it's been a really enlightening conversation. And thank you for
Speaker 1: finally sharing publicly what you've experienced over the years. Big
Speaker 1: for society will be right back after these messages. I
Speaker 1: wish you the best down in Arkansas. Hopefully, well unless
Speaker 1: you want it to hopefully things are pretty calm down
Speaker 1: there for you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's what I'm crossing my fingers about to Jeremy.
Speaker 2: It's just just don't break me out too bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's exactly. Yeah, no doubt for.
Speaker 2: Allowing me, honestly, for allowing me to just get all
Speaker 2: of this stuff off of my chest since say, this
Speaker 2: is what happened. Okay, now I can put it to bed.
Speaker 2: That's what I needed. Seriously, absolutely, Oh, I appreciate that
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kathy.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. You have a wonderful evening. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Take good care of yourself.
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Speaker 1: Hey is this David?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 1: Is this David Blaylock.
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 1: Did I say that? Yeah? Ah, okay, very good. Hey,
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Speaker 3: Right, thank you, Jeremiah. So, my name is David Blayloc
Speaker 3: and I grew up in northern California, very near where
Speaker 3: the Patterson Gimmlin film was filmed. And twenty years ago
Speaker 3: me and my wife moved here to Goos Bay, Oregon,
Speaker 3: which is southwest Oregon. And we've hunted elk and deer
Speaker 3: and bear and everything, camped and done all the hiking
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And for like fifteen years, we
Speaker 3: never had any experiences or anything that would lead you
Speaker 3: to think something was going on until two thy and nineteen.
Speaker 3: And in two thy and nineteen, two days before the
Speaker 3: end of August, elk season started for both seasons for elk,
Speaker 3: me and my wife and my sister she followed us
Speaker 3: up there. We had our truck with a camper overhead
Speaker 3: camper on our truck and she my sister, followed us
Speaker 3: up in her car and she had her twottle dogs.
Speaker 3: I mean, my wife had our little menpen dog. And
Speaker 3: we drove up and it takes about an hour and
Speaker 3: a half to get there. E'repe like fourteen miles up
Speaker 3: a dirt road, a gravel road in parts of its dirt,
Speaker 3: and it's really a thick area rainforests, a lot of
Speaker 3: moss on the trees, and you really don't see the ground.
Speaker 3: It's all just brush and ground cover under the trees
Speaker 3: and stuff and big old growth trees. So twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: it was, I think it was August twenty sixth when
Speaker 3: we got up there and we showed up the camp spot.
Speaker 3: My sister had never been there before. And like I said,
Speaker 3: me and my wife had hunted this area for like
Speaker 3: fourteen years straight, camped in a tent for the whole
Speaker 3: month and never had anything strange happen or anything but
Speaker 3: this strip. We got up there two days before the
Speaker 3: elk season started and because we wanted to do some
Speaker 3: scouting and stuff and set up camp. And I had
Speaker 3: a trail camera up there that I had set up
Speaker 3: for two months, had it up there two months before
Speaker 3: we got there. And so we got there that evening
Speaker 3: kind of started getting camped up, and I ran and
Speaker 3: got my trail camera right before dark and came back
Speaker 3: and we checked it out and there was a bunch
Speaker 3: of elk and deer stuff like that on there, but nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, nothing else. And about ten o'clock that first night,
Speaker 3: where me and my wife was kind of making noise
Speaker 3: do some stuff, and my sister was standing there on
Speaker 3: the road and it was like ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it got dark maybe a half hour
Speaker 3: or something before that. And my sister just like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess we got company. And I kind of looked
Speaker 3: at her. I'm like, what do you mean. She goes, well,
Speaker 3: somebody just made like a banging noise sounded like a
Speaker 3: tree off, but it was a bang up on the
Speaker 3: ridge up there. And I'm like, where did it come from?
Speaker 3: And she pointed, and I was my sister, there's nobody
Speaker 3: up there. There's no roads, there's no trails. It's just
Speaker 3: like a steep, thick hillside, like a mountain side. And
Speaker 3: they'll have crews. Logging companies will have crews come through
Speaker 3: when after they like log an area they'll replant these trees,
Speaker 3: and after about ten or fifteen years, they'll send cruise
Speaker 3: in there and they'll cut down certain lunes to kind
Speaker 3: of sin it, and they just leave those ones they
Speaker 3: cut down just laying there. So I mean, it's like
Speaker 3: a thicket can mean already walked through it. And so
Speaker 3: when she said that, I was like, well, I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you right now, there's nobody camping up there. And
Speaker 3: she goes, well, I don't know what that was. And
Speaker 3: so I'll make like a long story short shorter, I suppose.
Speaker 3: And each day we had stuff like dumps sound like
Speaker 3: they were being ripped apart, knocking bounds all around us,
Speaker 3: and sometimes you'd hear like a knock, and then like
Speaker 3: something was running through the brush like a knock, and
Speaker 3: you could kind of hear it run off. And each
Speaker 3: time I was like, you know, trying to write everything off, like, well,
Speaker 3: it could have been elk, it could have been deer,
Speaker 3: could have been there, and the knocking could be like
Speaker 3: elk crashing antlers because it's about the time they start
Speaker 3: their rut and stuff. Was trying to write everything off
Speaker 3: as normal sounds you'd hear in the woods, but in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind, you know, I I suspected
Speaker 3: it wasn't normal sounds that you'd hear in the woods.
Speaker 3: And so it was the fucking or third day of
Speaker 3: hunting season, so it had been like the fifth day
Speaker 3: we were up there. My sister rode with us, and
Speaker 3: we drove up this road and we were going to
Speaker 3: go on this one hunt. While we were driving up there,
Speaker 3: we see a herd elk, and those elk instead of
Speaker 3: just being like scattered like a herd would be, they
Speaker 3: were all like growled in like a like a circle,
Speaker 3: all really tight, and they were kind of just walking
Speaker 3: around each other like real tight circle. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was kind of strange. But there was a nice
Speaker 3: bull in there, and the bull ended up just kind
Speaker 3: of separating and going like walking off by himself. So
Speaker 3: me and my wife get out of the rig and
Speaker 3: we're bull hunting, and my sister stayed in the truck
Speaker 3: with the dogs, and I mean I just shut the
Speaker 3: truck off and we just me and my wife got
Speaker 3: out and started making our hunt, like walking around to
Speaker 3: get the wind right and stuff and circling around so
Speaker 3: we can make the stop one of that bowl. And
Speaker 3: while we were walking down we couldn't hear it because
Speaker 3: we're down in the brush. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: the brushes over your head, so you're just kind of
Speaker 3: trying to sneak through the brush, but it's like kind
Speaker 3: of rubbing on your head and on your body stuff,
Speaker 3: so you couldn't really hear what's going on around you. Well,
Speaker 3: my sister said, as soon as we left the road
Speaker 3: and got into the brush, she heard three distinctive knocks,
Speaker 3: one from like one side of the elk, one from
Speaker 3: the other side, and one from like a triangulation. They
Speaker 3: were like from three different areas. And while directly after
Speaker 3: she heard that, she saw she saw us walking into
Speaker 3: the brush, and she said, right behind us, coming the
Speaker 3: same direction that we had went, she saw a black,
Speaker 3: hairy figure and she did say what it was, but
Speaker 3: just a dark black figure was walking the same trail
Speaker 3: that we had walked, and like behind us. And so
Speaker 3: we'd made our hunt and everything, and we we spoofed
Speaker 3: the elk ended up and they all ran off. So
Speaker 3: we went back to the truck after about an hour
Speaker 3: or something, and my sister was like, did you guys
Speaker 3: hear those knots? And we're like, no, she guys, did
Speaker 3: you guys see what was behind you? And we're like no,
Speaker 3: and she goes. She goes, brother's sister, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: there was something walking behind you, guys, following you into
Speaker 3: those elk and she goes, whatever it was, it was
Speaker 3: black and it had you. It was like had hair on.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like bald or brown or anything. It was hairy.
Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, okay, And We've all three had
Speaker 3: experiences before this. I'm just telling you, guys this experience.
Speaker 3: And so about the sixth night, I think it was
Speaker 3: after that, we were sitting around our camp spot, which
Speaker 3: was just on side of this gravel road. There wasn't
Speaker 3: any other We saw like one or two vehicles up
Speaker 3: to this point, like a week into it, just a
Speaker 3: couple vehicles driving by and we're way up in there,
Speaker 3: but we're just camped on side this gravel road on
Speaker 3: a pullout. So my sister smoked cigarettes and each time
Speaker 3: she would get up, I would step up. So let
Speaker 3: me back a little bit. Every night before this, we
Speaker 3: would have our lantern. I had a shotgun because not
Speaker 3: for anything, but like bears or mountain lions or whatever,
Speaker 3: just for protection. I'd have my shotgun leaning against our camper,
Speaker 3: and we'd have a flashlight in our lantern burning and
Speaker 3: you know, just sit out there and just talk and
Speaker 3: camp before we go to bed. And so this night
Speaker 3: we only had a mosquito candle burning, like one of
Speaker 3: those centronella mosquito candles, and so it was like really dark.
Speaker 3: I didn't have my gun or my flash light out.
Speaker 3: I just had this like little cheap headlamp on and
Speaker 3: I had it on a green set, so when you
Speaker 3: turn it on, it was green, and it didn't light
Speaker 3: everything up very well, but you could see eye shine
Speaker 3: really well. And so every time my sister would you know,
Speaker 3: step up into the gravel getting out away from me
Speaker 3: and my wife so the smoke wouldn't go on our face,
Speaker 3: she would light her cigarette and I would just stand up.
Speaker 3: And this is like ten o'clock at night again, and
Speaker 3: so I stood up and shine my light, you know,
Speaker 3: just to make sure there was no animals or no
Speaker 3: bears around her or whatever. And so this time she
Speaker 3: got up, and so I got up with her, and
Speaker 3: we walked out into the road and I switched on
Speaker 3: my light and she was lighting her cigarette and I
Speaker 3: looked directly across the road because that was the closest trees.
Speaker 3: And then I looked to my right down the road
Speaker 3: and didn't see nothing, turned to my left and glow
Speaker 3: and behold, here's this eye shine. And when I walked
Speaker 3: over and looked to the left, I had walked about
Speaker 3: ten feet away from my sister, just kind of. I
Speaker 3: was just checking her surroundings, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: we got eye shine like that. My sister's like, oh serious,
Speaker 3: And she walked over and she saw the eyes. And
Speaker 3: my wife was still sitting beside her camper in her
Speaker 3: camp chair, and these eyeballs were like a foot apart,
Speaker 3: and if I had to guess the size of them,
Speaker 3: each eye was like the size of a golf ball,
Speaker 3: I guess or something. But there was like the shine
Speaker 3: around it, and they were I had my light on green,
Speaker 3: so I don't know if it was that, but they
Speaker 3: were like an electric yellow, an electric yellowish green reflection
Speaker 3: in the eye shine. And they were really close to
Speaker 3: the ground, like a couple of feet off the ground,
Speaker 3: but really far apart. And so I'm she's like, my sister.
Speaker 3: My sister's like seriously, And she walked up and saw them,
Speaker 3: and she was like just like hyperventilated. And she went
Speaker 3: walking back to her car really fast and shut her
Speaker 3: dogs in the car. They were already in the car,
Speaker 3: but she rolled up the windows in her car so
Speaker 3: they wouldn't jump out. And my wife had our dog
Speaker 3: and my sister, and I'm just locked onto this thing.
Speaker 3: And it's not blinking, it's not looking away, it's just
Speaker 3: sitting there, look staring right at me. And I couldn't
Speaker 3: see what I was looking at, but you could just
Speaker 3: see like the blackest shadow of it, but you couldn't
Speaker 3: make out of shape. You could just see that there
Speaker 3: was a body attached to the eyeballs. And so my
Speaker 3: sister walks back up after she locked her car, and
Speaker 3: I'm still just staring at it, and it's literally about
Speaker 3: thirty yards from me maybe, and it's right on the
Speaker 3: edge of the road, the gravel road that we're on,
Speaker 3: but there's like a drop off and then it's like
Speaker 3: a flat off down off that drop off. And so
Speaker 3: my mind was thinking it was either a bear or
Speaker 3: an elk, just like a quick thought. It was like
Speaker 3: it's a bear or an elk. But my mind was
Speaker 3: also saying it doesn't look right because bare eyeballs are
Speaker 3: a little They have little beady eyes and they're kind
Speaker 3: of close together, and elk can have big eyeballs and
Speaker 3: are kind of spread apart. But the eyes were like
Speaker 3: a foot or two off the ground, which means an
Speaker 3: elk would basically have to have its head on the
Speaker 3: ground for its eyes to be down there. And it
Speaker 3: didn't make no sense. And so my sister walked back
Speaker 3: up saw it again and just like and freaked out.
Speaker 3: And finally I was like, I was like, babe, if
Speaker 3: I need my flashlight and my gun right now, because
Speaker 3: I'm at this point, I'm still thinking it's a bear,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm kind of thinking. And so my wife
Speaker 3: I hear her get up out of her chair and
Speaker 3: go into our camper and I can hear like doom,
Speaker 3: and she was getting the flashlight and the shotgun and
Speaker 3: I'm still just standing there. I'm not moving my head
Speaker 3: and it's not moving, and we're just locked on each
Speaker 3: other and my wife I can hear it come out
Speaker 3: of the camper and she's walking up to my left
Speaker 3: and she goes, here you go bed, and literally she
Speaker 3: bumped my left arm and I turned just for I
Speaker 3: mean literally half suckond grabbed the flash light and the shotgun.
Speaker 3: It turned and whatever it was was already gone.
Speaker 1: Big for the society who would be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages?
Speaker 3: Literally half a sucking without a sound, and this place
Speaker 3: is thick rainforest stuff, I mean, just like thick brush.
Speaker 3: Somehow this thing was off the road and gone and
Speaker 3: a half a sucking at the most. And so I
Speaker 3: was like, where to go? Where to go? And my
Speaker 3: sister and my wife's like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I was shining my flashlight around the road, you know,
Speaker 3: down the road and on each side of the road,
Speaker 3: and it was gone. So I kind of walked towards
Speaker 3: it and was shining down through the trees as the
Speaker 3: best I could, and nothing was there. And I was like,
Speaker 3: you guys want me to just because I'm still thinking
Speaker 3: bear at this point, but I was like, you guys
Speaker 3: want me just shoot a warning shot just to make
Speaker 3: sure you don't come back. And they're both like, yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead. So I just put my shotgun up in
Speaker 3: the air and just you know, shot a shot off.
Speaker 3: And we stayed up for like an hour or something
Speaker 3: talking about it, and nothing happened that night, And so
Speaker 3: the next morning instead of going hunting at daylight, I
Speaker 3: got up and walked down the road just to look
Speaker 3: where it was. And it had been. Whatever it was
Speaker 3: was directly behind this kind of rotted stump, and you
Speaker 3: could see on the hard packed gravel you could see
Speaker 3: like scuff marks like it pushed itself back off the
Speaker 3: road over that bank, like if it and my assumption
Speaker 3: was it whatever it was was laying with its body
Speaker 3: down off the road, down that little bank, and its
Speaker 3: upper body was on the edge of the road looking
Speaker 3: at us around that stump wasn't on stump, it was
Speaker 3: behind the stump. The scuff marks were about five feet
Speaker 3: behind that stump, And so we discussed it and everything
Speaker 3: and thought that was really weird. So I'll just fast
Speaker 3: forward to like day nine of our hunt. Was everything
Speaker 3: was normal. I mean, like each day something was going on.
Speaker 3: We could hear stuff. It never saw anything and never
Speaker 3: had anything weird. Well, night of the ninth, about nine
Speaker 3: point thirty, as it's starting to get dark, you start
Speaker 3: hearing this owl, you know, just a classic like bard owl.
Speaker 3: And my sister was getting her drinking on me and
Speaker 3: my wife did drink or nothing, So we were just
Speaker 3: sitting there listening and my sister was calling back and
Speaker 3: forth this owl, and I was like, Keith, Cindy, you
Speaker 3: want me to call? She's like, yeah, go ahead, and
Speaker 3: so I would do the who you know call and
Speaker 3: the out me and the owl was talking back and
Speaker 3: forth for like a half hour. And my sister has
Speaker 3: this recorded on her phone, and I even joked about, Hey, Cindy,
Speaker 3: it's like on Jurassic Park with the owls keeping our
Speaker 3: attention over here while the other things sneaking up behind us,
Speaker 3: and we laughed and stuff.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 3: So about ten o'clock, ten thirty at night, we're getting
Speaker 3: ready to go to bed, and my wife was wanting
Speaker 3: to take our little dog to the bathroom before we
Speaker 3: got in the camper. So she started walking the dog
Speaker 3: around on the leash and stuff. And our dog was
Speaker 3: like nervous and wouldn't go and go and go. So
Speaker 3: I walked over there and like, you know, Peanut, go mat,
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom, Peanut go poopye bee, and she
Speaker 3: just would and would and wouldn't. And so my sister
Speaker 3: was sitting over there by our camper, still calling back
Speaker 3: and forth to the owl, recording it, and and my wife, Didi,
Speaker 3: she was like, I think Cindy's calling is making our
Speaker 3: dog nervous. So I said, hey, Cindy, can you stop
Speaker 3: calling for a minute so Peanut can go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: So she's like, okay, Well she stops recording on her phone,
Speaker 3: of course, and and you know it's quiet for a second.
Speaker 3: Our dogs still wouldn't go. So I picked up our
Speaker 3: dog and we were walking over to my sister, and
Speaker 3: right when I get to my sister, we hear the
Speaker 3: owl go off again. So we all stop and we're
Speaker 3: and I'm holding our dog and we're looking up across
Speaker 3: that flat as a creek, and then it goes up
Speaker 3: the steep old growth treeze breed ridge and that was
Speaker 3: behind our camp. And so the owl was coming right
Speaker 3: across that flat, right those trees, like one hundred yards
Speaker 3: away or something like that. And but this time when
Speaker 3: it called, it did like and it kind of went
Speaker 3: down into like this angry sound, like an angry owl,
Speaker 3: and immediately to the left of that it did like
Speaker 3: a kyote yep, like a coyote yip, and then left
Speaker 3: of that this roar that I mean freight trains and
Speaker 3: air horns and anything lion like African lions. If you've
Speaker 3: heard them at the zoo that roar they do. H
Speaker 3: that was nothing compared to the volume and the depth
Speaker 3: and the I don't know how to explain it shook
Speaker 3: your chest. It was so loud, and you could hear
Speaker 3: the trees ringing like and then it was like dead quiet,
Speaker 3: and I just looked up, and I don't cuss very often,
Speaker 3: but I was like, what the F was that? And
Speaker 3: my sister and my wife were all just standing there.
Speaker 3: Our jaws just gaped open because it went from this
Speaker 3: angry owl to a kyot yp to this war and
Speaker 3: I was like, we need to go right now. So
Speaker 3: I literally grabbed my shotgun in my flashlight and stood
Speaker 3: there shining the direction it came from, while my wife
Speaker 3: went and got her purse and our medicine bag and
Speaker 3: all that stuff like our essentials, and my sister was
Speaker 3: loading whatever she had outside of camp, just throwing it
Speaker 3: into a car, and we literally left our camper up
Speaker 3: there for a week and we just just beat feet
Speaker 3: down the road and we had to drive past that area.
Speaker 3: So I told my wife to drive and when we're
Speaker 3: going by, this is like I said, about thirty at night,
Speaker 3: I had my window down with my shotgun out the
Speaker 3: window and my flashlight shining in the direction just in
Speaker 3: case it was charging us as we were leaving it.
Speaker 3: We didn't know, you know, what was going to happen.
Speaker 3: So we ended up leaving our camper up there for
Speaker 3: a week. And a week later we went up there
Speaker 3: and I had trail cameras around our camper just because
Speaker 3: I had them around there, and we didn't get anything
Speaker 3: on trail cameras or not, and our camper was fine.
Speaker 3: I didn't see any fingerprints or handprints on the windows
Speaker 3: or anything like that. Everything was normal. So we picked
Speaker 3: up our camper a week later, and we've never camped
Speaker 3: at that spot since. We've camped up in those woods,
Speaker 3: but never in that same spot. So that's kind of
Speaker 3: my twenty nineteen story.
Speaker 1: Who David, that's man? That is wild. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've talked to anyone else from that area yet, but
Speaker 1: I just want to say real quick, we've got about
Speaker 1: one hundred people watching live, and I just want to
Speaker 1: say thanks to everyone watching live. This is the Bigfoot
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Speaker 1: at the bottom. If you've got an encounter to call
Speaker 1: in with. But David Man, what an interesting And I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you about the pattern, if there's
Speaker 1: a pattern to the knox, but you already had mentioned
Speaker 1: that you were hearing like three That's a common thread
Speaker 1: I've heard come up in a few encounters, like you
Speaker 1: usually hear three knocks. So that's really interesting that you
Speaker 1: did bring that up where it was almost like the
Speaker 1: triangulation of the knocks going on as well. Did your
Speaker 1: sister tell you how far away or how far behind
Speaker 1: the figure was behind you guys when you left there's
Speaker 1: that black figure that was that was following you.
Speaker 3: She said it literally like when we she lost sight
Speaker 3: of us, we were probably I would say, you know,
Speaker 3: two or three hundred yards away from the when we
Speaker 3: entered into the brush to kind of make our sneak,
Speaker 3: And she said she could see us, you know, like
Speaker 3: parts of us every now and then kind of going
Speaker 3: through the brush. Yeah, and as soon as she lost
Speaker 3: sight of us, she said, from where she could see
Speaker 3: us going into the brush, like something immediately was falling
Speaker 3: right behind us, like like right behind us. I don't
Speaker 3: know how closed, but yeah, like literally, And so I
Speaker 3: kind of suspect this is just speculation that the reason
Speaker 3: why those elk were all in a bunch like that
Speaker 3: was maybe they were hunting those same elk. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: just my thought.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's yeah, I mean, that's that is wild. The
Speaker 1: part with the eyeshine was was very interesting. There's a
Speaker 1: few back and forth comments that were interesting. Tate what
Speaker 1: had some you know, he was like, well, maybe a
Speaker 1: mountain lion, and you know, I was thinking that too,
Speaker 1: but I you know, I was also thinking that you
Speaker 1: had mentioned that the eyes were very big, and they
Speaker 1: were they were super you know, far apart, and but
Speaker 1: I was like, well, he said it was only a
Speaker 1: few feet off the ground. So then I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we're looking at some sort of like spider crawl
Speaker 1: or on All four's situation, which might explain how you
Speaker 1: could have the eyes so far apart but yet so
Speaker 1: close to the grounds. It's a very interesting situation. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any thoughts about that.
Speaker 3: Well, I do, and I thought and my son was
Speaker 3: the first one to suggest, you know, here we call
Speaker 3: them cougars, but they're mountain lions. He thought that, and
Speaker 3: I was like, well, you know, it's possible, but look
Speaker 3: at a cat. Look at a cat. Their eyes are
Speaker 3: not they're not that huge. They're you know, pretty good
Speaker 3: size around, but they're not that far apart. And the
Speaker 3: weird thing is, Okay, that could be an explanation, but
Speaker 3: explain to me how it knew when I turned and
Speaker 3: grabbed the choku and in the flashlight, how at that
Speaker 3: instant that is when it was gone, you know that
Speaker 3: kind of was I suspected that was kind of weird,
Speaker 3: which I suppose if you unlock eye that might be
Speaker 3: when they moved. I mean, I could get that too.
Speaker 3: But the thing Jeremiah about it was that this was,
Speaker 3: like I said, the gravel road, and then where it
Speaker 3: was was right on the lip where it dropped down
Speaker 3: like about ten feet, like the bank dropped down like
Speaker 3: ten feet, and then there was a flat and it
Speaker 3: could have been like a spider crawler down in that
Speaker 3: on all fours, or it could have been just laying
Speaker 3: with its body off the road and its upper body
Speaker 3: was on the road on the edge of the road.
Speaker 3: Whatever it was, it discussed hard at gravel you could
Speaker 3: see like three distinct guff marks were like, yeah, pushed
Speaker 3: itself back.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting, And I mean, you guys had some
Speaker 1: weird stuff going on there, and it's cool that you
Speaker 1: guys were out there for not just two or three nights.
Speaker 1: I mean you're out there for what'd you say, at
Speaker 1: least nine days? And then you had it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that ninth night, we had it out. Me and
Speaker 3: my wife went camping the next weekend, but in a
Speaker 3: whole different spot and I literally, I mean I've never been.
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of any animals, but literally I was
Speaker 3: in like cold sweat trying to go to sleep the
Speaker 3: first night back out camping. I was like, just leave
Speaker 3: me alone. Just leave me That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Right, Ah, that's wild. Let's see. Let's see here looking
Speaker 1: through to see if we have any questions for you here.
Speaker 1: Oh t is asking have you ever been to the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimlin film site at all?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 3: I've been. I've been been not. I haven't done the
Speaker 3: actual hiking.
Speaker 1: No sweat.
Speaker 3: And over and over.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you've got a oh yeah, can'k okay? Can
Speaker 1: Squatch says, what about David's experience of something trying to
Speaker 1: get into his family's trailer when he was a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a whole nother long story.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 3: I could give a short version of it, or I
Speaker 3: can wait, we can wait until I do the actual
Speaker 3: thing with you, if you want, or whichever you want.
Speaker 1: So I would say that maybe let's do a part
Speaker 1: two because I want to make sure that you can
Speaker 1: do all the details and give it, you know, give
Speaker 1: it all you need to. So let's let's maybe hold,
Speaker 1: let's wait until you come on the show, which I
Speaker 1: know is coming up.
Speaker 3: So will I got a story and I got another
Speaker 3: one where it's basically your I felt like I grew up,
Speaker 3: which is in Weaberville, California, in Triney County, California, and
Speaker 3: that that one is a whole nether, a whole nether experience.
Speaker 1: So David, I'm excited to chat with you on the show.
Speaker 1: How are you? Do you go to any festivals in Oregon?
Speaker 3: There's one coming up that probably will go to. It's
Speaker 3: over I think it's over by oak Ridge or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: I'll see you there, yeah or nice there you go.
Speaker 2: I think I'll be at that and we go.
Speaker 3: We've been to the Bigfoot Museum with Cliff Bratman Museum,
Speaker 3: been there, but really that's about it.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: At this point, we're going to lb L though.
Speaker 1: Oh you're going all the way out to l b L.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going. When we're gonna be there, we're gonna
Speaker 3: arrive in and Nashville on a third, uh, and then
Speaker 3: we're gonna actually go out to the l on the
Speaker 3: fort and then we're coming.
Speaker 1: Back on the eighth, just by yourself or you going
Speaker 1: out with a group.
Speaker 3: Me and my wife are going there, and there's a
Speaker 3: whole huge group.
Speaker 1: Is it the thing that Squashing Hollers was talking about
Speaker 1: in the comments?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The mean great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, dude, that's awesome. You're going all the way
Speaker 1: out for that. We're flying man, yeah, m And I'm
Speaker 1: in Iowa and I'm not even going someday.
Speaker 5: Oh man, you gotta go.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. It sounds like it's not just
Speaker 1: going to be a one time deal. I bet it's
Speaker 1: going to be going on more than once.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, like with Sawdust, with be TV
Speaker 3: and stuff, they've they've done for years. So it's oh, okay,
Speaker 3: cool kind of not maybe an annual thing, but maybe
Speaker 3: every couple of years they do it.
Speaker 1: I guess. Well, David, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 1: your one story of it sounds like many stories, and
Speaker 1: we'll be chatting again in the future for sure.
Speaker 3: You're very welcome and I thank you for having.
Speaker 1: Me on man yeap, talk to you later, dude.
Speaker 3: All right, have a good one, all right.
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