WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.680 Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson. 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.839 I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.039 those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you 4 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.439 to our sponsors and our guests who are supporting this show. 5 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.000 Hello everyone, My name is Christina Consalvlos and I'm a 6 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.679 guest host for The Trauma Therapist Podcast by Guy McPherson, 7 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:25.920 and I'm super stoked to interview. 8 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:30.480 Alana Brennan today. Hello Alana, welcome on. Hi Christina, Thank 9 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:32.439 you so much for having me, of. 10 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.679 Course, and before we started what Before I started recording, 11 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:38.719 I was talking about the way in which I found 12 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:43.039 you is through your post in activating the voice and 13 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.880 especially for those with chronic illness. 14 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:51.320 So I'd love for you to. 15 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:54.240 Tell us how you personally got to this point of 16 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.920 this being a healing modality for you and for your clients. 17 00:00:58.679 --> 00:00:58.960 Yes. 18 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.320 Yeah, I just wrapped my first workshop series for women 19 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.879 with chronic illness and Exploring the Voice last night, so 20 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:09.599 this is the perfect time to talk about this. For me, 21 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:15.239 this journey was pretty organic. I grew up in a 22 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.799 musical family. My mom's a vocalist, my dad side of 23 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.760 the family had a lot of musicians. I grew up 24 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.000 with music as a big part of my culture, and 25 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:31.280 I love to sing, but my voice was kind of 26 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.000 like stuck in the back of my throat. 27 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.120 It was very like frog sounding almost. 28 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:42.640 And through my journey with chronic illness, as many of us, 29 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.000 when we start when our bodies start to fail, it 30 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.200 might be the first time in your life where you 31 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.799 have to set some boundaries for yourself. So as a 32 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.760 woman growing up as a people pleaser, you know, I 33 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:55.040 put everybody else first. 34 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.280 I thought of everyone's emotions before my own. 35 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:03.640 And then once I started this journey with nerve pain 36 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.760 and mole toxicity and all these things, I had to 37 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:11.919 start saying no. And it was very interesting what happened 38 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.039 because I started speaking up for myself, which was really 39 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:20.000 scary and induced a lot of guilt. But as I 40 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:26.400 started to do that, my singing voice changed. So I 41 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:30.080 had done technical training in the past, but at this 42 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.319 point in my life, I wasn't doing any training. I 43 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.159 wasn't even singing very much, but I was starting to 44 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.240 say no. I was starting to set boundaries, and all 45 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.319 of a sudden, one day it was like I could 46 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.800 like belt, like adele, and I was like, WHOA, where 47 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.840 did that come from? Like this is so interesting, there's 48 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.639 something here, and that's kind of led me on this 49 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.039 journey to become a voice coach and tie in the 50 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:57.199 somatic piece of not just you know, training yourself to 51 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.080 sing with the mind, but how can you teach your 52 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.479 body that it's safe enough to speak up and how 53 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.840 that actually changes your muscles and your physiology. So it's 54 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.599 been this really cool journey of self discovery that I'm 55 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.560 so passionate about helping other people with. 56 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.759 And I'm sure so many people listening can relate to this, 57 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.280 right the people pleasing and realizing that, oh, I need 58 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.560 to start setting boundaries, right because at some point the 59 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.120 body begins saying no for us when we don't. 60 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.560 Say no for it, and we continue. 61 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.360 To press that override button of like, oh but it's fine, 62 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:38.280 it's okay, I can do it this one time. 63 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:39.520 They really need my help. 64 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:47.240 I need to underlining theme rescue save them consistently. I mean, 65 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.560 our bodies will start to break down if we're also 66 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:54.000 not taking good care of ourselves at the same time. 67 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.120 And I know in my own breakdown, if you will. 68 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.319 That is when I had to reclaim my voice. That 69 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.319 is when I had to start saying no. Finally, this 70 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.400 isn't an alignment and trusting that the yes, you know, 71 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:11.240 the yes is. 72 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.400 To the things that were in alignment would come. And 73 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:13.960 they did. 74 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.079 But there's also a lot of grief right on that 75 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.879 route of saying no with a lot of people benefit 76 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.000 from you saying yes, from you being a people pleaser. 77 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.759 And I'm curious, like, what has that looked like for 78 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.120 you and for the clients you've worked with on this 79 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:31.279 path of boundaries of creating boundaries. 80 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.439 Yeah, the truth, we can think of chronic illness as 81 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.839 a lifetime of unspoken nos, and there's such a correlation 82 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.040 and there's been data that's come out about those repressed 83 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:48.079 emotions and how we internalize them and they become chronic illness. 84 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:55.000 So on the journey of like reclaiming our power, you know, 85 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:56.160 usually we swing the. 86 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:57.000 Pendulum the other way. 87 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.439 So a lot of times when we start to say no, 88 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.399 it's like eruption. So I see, I saw that within 89 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:05.720 myself and my clients a lot, where it's like people 90 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.040 went from never speaking up for themselves to like blowing 91 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:10.959 up at their boss at work or something like that, 92 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.800 and having grace and compassion for yourself. That that's kind 93 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.720 of part of the journey, is like the lifetime of 94 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:22.120 unspoken nose kind of starts like a volcano, and then 95 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.399 we feel so guilty after because as a people pleaser, 96 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.839 it's like, oh my gosh, but I love the quote 97 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.240 I was taught to keep the piece until I realized 98 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.000 whose piece I was keeping. And so it's really checking 99 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:36.480 in with like, that's great, you don't want to hurt 100 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.680 other people, but are you hurting yourself? And your body 101 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.160 is telling you, through chronic illness or pain that yes, 102 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.600 I am hurting myself by keeping this inside. 103 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:52.160 Yes, it's it's so so true, and it's something you know, 104 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.279 I really had to learn for myself, and like codependence 105 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.879 anonymous for those who don't know, it's one of it's 106 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.879 a twelve step program and it's it could it could 107 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:06.439 easily be called people pleasers anonymous and understanding this survival 108 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.600 response that's no different than fight or flight. 109 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.600 There's a freeze response and there's the fawning response. 110 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:16.279 Where you know it feels safer to quote unquote keep 111 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.079 the peace than it does to essentially speak your truth 112 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.199 and live live authentically. But in doing so, it's really 113 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.720 not sustainable because you're keeping your body in a fight 114 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:31.360 or flight state, which is continuously releasing cortisol, which in 115 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:35.279 fact is impacting your nervous system and your immune system functions. 116 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.360 When we think about, like you know, someone listening, wait, 117 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:38.720 how does this, what does this have to do with 118 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:39.439 chronic illness? 119 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:41.519 I'm so I'm so confused. 120 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.920 In not living authentically and speaking your truth, you in 121 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.399 fact are not able to listen to and to some 122 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.839 degree honor your body and what it's asking you for. 123 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.000 So your body starts speaking loudly if you will. 124 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.040 It starts as I say, it starts as a whisper 125 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.480 before it turns into a screen, and eventually it can 126 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:08.680 start screaming aka turning into various symptoms or autoimmune diseases, 127 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.759 or pain physical. 128 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:11.120 Pain in the body. 129 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.480 It can manifest in so many different ways. But also 130 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.279 in I remember reading bringing up doctor Gebori Matte, when 131 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.560 the body says no, he says often what he sees, 132 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.639 and you just spoke to this is this rage that 133 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.560 comes up first, like just complete and uttering. 134 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.319 It's that pendulum swinging to that other side. You were 135 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:36.439 over here and now just. 136 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.399 Swine to this side, and it's actually a very healthy response, 137 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.680 like it's nothing to be afraid of. It's like, okay, 138 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.720 we're here, we can we well, we're going to find 139 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.399 the middle path. We need to start someplace. This is 140 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:51.199 you kind of cracking the shell if you will. 141 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:54.079 Yeah. 142 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.879 Yes, anger shows us where our boundaries are being crossed. 143 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:01.319 And our culture has really taught us, especially as a woman, 144 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.519 that there's no place for you to be angry. There's 145 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.480 no place and so in voice, in the voice work 146 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.920 I do, that is like a safe outlet where you 147 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:15.920 can let the anger out and express And whether that 148 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.160 needs to be like a scream into your pillow or 149 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.040 I do a lot of work with toning humming, but 150 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.199 it's a way to move the energy, which you know, 151 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.120 the breath starts in the belly and it rises all 152 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:27.279 the way up and out the throat. 153 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.839 That's our channel for release. So yeah, we. 154 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.039 Need to find healthy ways to express our anger. It's 155 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.559 very important. You know, it doesn't have to be once. 156 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.080 Once you start working with anger, instead of just trying 157 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:43.120 to hold it in until you erupt, there are ways 158 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:45.039 to express it in a more healthy way or to 159 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.039 feel seen and heard in a group like I do 160 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:52.159 a workshops with with groups where we can feel validated 161 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.399 and seen and heard in our chronic illness because that's 162 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:59.080 so important. And yeah, I think it's like a lifetime 163 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.080 of not listening to your body when we get into 164 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.039 that chronic pain and chronic illness, and we're so programmed 165 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.759 by society that we might not even know we're not 166 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.679 listening or that we're not in truth. But disease means disase, right, 167 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.679 so we're not in alignment with our authentic truth. We 168 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.519 just might have been taught that it's not safe to 169 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.639 be that person or you shouldn't be that person. 170 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.559 But I, yeah, I really believe the body is trying 171 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:27.519 to get our attention and bring us back into alignment. Yeah, 172 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.720 a thousand percent. And there's there's this belief. 173 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:36.279 That feeling angry or just anger in general is not 174 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.720 it's like not an ethical feeling. Like everything else is 175 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:44.080 kind of acceptable, but this but this feeling, when in fact, 176 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.000 it's just as important. It's part you know, it's part 177 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:53.879 of the spectrum of emotions. And when we don't like, 178 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.799 when we don't feel it, we don't heal it, and 179 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.159 it does go somewhere. 180 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.159 It's it's stor to me, it's stored in the nervous system. 181 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.559 And you know we're saying now, maybe the body doesn't 182 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.879 keep the score exactly, however, I believe the nervous system, 183 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:15.120 the nervous system does. And for those for those listening 184 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.440 or watching who are interested, okay, like I want to 185 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.600 feel my feelings, you know, with especially anger, Like this 186 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.720 isn't something I'm I mean, I know, for so long 187 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.519 I was, I was so uncomfortable with my own anger 188 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.759 that I would say I don't experience anger. 189 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.480 I would, I would, I would verbalize this to many people. 190 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.759 I'm like, I don't know what anger feels like. I've 191 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.039 never punched a pillow. Like my idea of what expressing 192 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:43.440 anger was didn't exist in my repertoire until I really 193 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.360 started doing this healing right and getting in touch with 194 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.919 this emotion. So for for those listening, what are ways 195 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.039 in which someone could a get in touch. 196 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.080 With that emotion and be express it. 197 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.720 And something I've read that I believe too, is that 198 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.320 the that the opposite of depression is expression. 199 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.320 So yeah, I'm curious. 200 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.759 Yeah, I love to kind of take it back into 201 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.639 the history of how we've. 202 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:09.679 Gotten to where we've gotten. 203 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.159 So we know that eighty percent of autoimmune cases are 204 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.879 in women. And if we look back at our mother's generation, 205 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:21.720 grandmother's great grandmothers, you know, how have we gotten here 206 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.960 to this point where we feel so unsafe to express Well, 207 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.200 it was, it wasn't safe. 208 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.639 It was you were risking your life to speak up. 209 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.399 You were risking your life to get angry when you lived. 210 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.799 In a male dominated world where your husband could you know, 211 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.039 send you to a hospital and give you a lobotomy 212 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.440 if you were hysterical, which means uterus, right, So they're 213 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:47.399 that trauma of speaking up as a woman lives in 214 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:52.879 ourselves and so remembering that that feeling that you're feeling 215 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.240 could go back multiple generations. 216 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.240 So you're healing not just for you, but for many generations. 217 00:11:58.480 --> 00:11:59.480 And that's a big job. 218 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.399 That's a big job, So don't expect for it to 219 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:09.240 happen overnight kind of thing. Yeah, definitely, Like somatic movement, dance, 220 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.879 breath toning, chanting. I do a lot of work with 221 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.320 just simple vowel tones in my workshops because they give 222 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:21.399 you like an acoustic inner massage and stimulate the vagus 223 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.080 nerve and all the connective tissue going from your throat 224 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.960 all the way down to your womb. So if they're interested, 225 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.960 I have a couple free sound meditations on my website, 226 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.559 Wombreclamation dot com where you can just start with a gentle. 227 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:35.360 Hum and tone. 228 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.200 But yeah, finding a place to express I know some 229 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.200 people who go to like the shooting ranges or a 230 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:42.279 bad engage too. 231 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:47.279 Right, It's like there are places that you can go where, hey, everyone. 232 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.240 Else is doing this here, so that you don't take 233 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.879 it out on your kid or your dog or or 234 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.519 however it comes out. Because if we don't let it out, 235 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.000 it's just going to explode, which I've done to people. 236 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.879 I'm human. And the more we can start to work 237 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:04.159 with that anger instead of try to repress. 238 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:08.600 It, the more, yeah, the easier it gets, and just 239 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:09.120 honoring it. 240 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:10.039 This is a big job. 241 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.399 This is like the first time in history for a 242 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.440 long time where it's been safe for women to express. 243 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:17.440 That's it. 244 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.120 It's like this is so many of us are the 245 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:25.759 first generation that has the privilege, aka the safety to 246 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:31.080 go there within themselves and feel like healthfully safely feel 247 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:36.039 their feelings and be witnessed by someone else who's telling 248 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.799 them guidy them, it's okay you know you're not alone 249 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:41.799 in this. You're still in your power. This does not 250 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.840 make you weaker or more vulnerable. You're not going to 251 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:49.440 lose you know, your house, your estates, your your marriage, 252 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.200 you know, like, and I'm not saying in all cases, 253 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.399 but historically, right this was, this was the case sometimes 254 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:59.200 like there was there was a real fear even being 255 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.960 you know, we go back in time even being on 256 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.519 the stake, like if you if you spoke up as 257 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.919 a woman, think of the witch trials and so forth. 258 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:09.759 I mean, we. 259 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:14.279 Carry this, this wounding for so long, and it's important 260 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:16.399 for us to look at the history, as you said, 261 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:21.240 because there's there's compassion there of like, Okay, this is why, 262 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.240 and this is also why I'm choosing to change this. 263 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.519 This ends with me, and I feel I feel so 264 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.639 grateful and again privileged to be able to heal this, 265 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.639 to feel this so that the next generations don't have 266 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.679 to go through what I went through. 267 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.279 So there's something really beautiful in that. 268 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.519 And I'm curious, like in your in your work, even 269 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:52.799 within yourself and with others, what transformations have you seen 270 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.320 in people's mental healths and their physical healths? 271 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.639 Like overall, what what have you witnessed. 272 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:03.320 Yeah, it's and really amazing to see a change in 273 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.360 my own physiology. So, like I talked about with my story, 274 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.840 how when I started setting boundaries, my throat opened up 275 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:19.440 and my pelvis relaxed. So I've seen the physiological change 276 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:23.720 within my clients of dropping into their body more, opening 277 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.799 more when they start to speak up for themselves and 278 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:32.559 speak their truth because they are becoming that protector that 279 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.200 they needed or making, They're making space for themselves, and 280 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.159 then the body relaxes and opens. That has definitely been 281 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.200 the coolest thing. And then also, yeah, I mean your 282 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.120 life can change, which we talked about. Your relationships can shift, 283 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.600 which can be hard at first. You can lose people, 284 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.120 but you come into more alignment with who you really are. 285 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.440 So it's a journey that isn't for the faint of heart, 286 00:15:58.720 --> 00:15:59.879 but it's so worth it. 287 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.840 Yeah, because I say, what's the alternative right of keeping 288 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:06.960 keeping the mask on? 289 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.799 And I know there's this fear of. 290 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.840 Losing losing people, but are you really losing people if 291 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.440 they aren't in alignment with you and don't don't want 292 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.639 the best for you? In terms of you know, what 293 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.240 is authentic? What does what does feel like? Your truth, 294 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.200 what does feel right? And I think you'd also mentioned 295 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:31.799 like your cortisol dropping too right, and I know for myself, 296 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.759 like my h, I actually I used to have hypo hypothyroid, 297 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.120 and I know I no longer meet criteria after doing 298 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:45.120 more voice voice work and just just deep medicine work 299 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:51.080 in general, but really just stepping into my my nose 300 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.759 to give space for yeses that art that are right, 301 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:01.000 that do feel right. How has your chronic illness shifted 302 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:02.159 since this work? 303 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:12.599 I've become a lot more aware of where I. 304 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.880 Was making choices that exacerbated my symptoms unless I'm a 305 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:23.079 victim that the symptoms are happening too. So yeah, we 306 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.039 are often making our own symptoms worse, whether it's pain 307 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.359 or illness, by pushing ourselves, by saying yes to things 308 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:30.559 that our body can't handle. 309 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.880 That's a deep program, right. 310 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:38.079 And so my symptoms got better when I started listening 311 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.519 to my own body, not necessarily when I did a 312 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:47.000 certain protocol and started really taking authority and accountability of like, oh, 313 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.640 I made that choice to do that thing that really 314 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.720 set me backwards, because I was very much trying to 315 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:54.640 heal fast and get back to my old life and 316 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.680 a lot of my clients are the same, like hyperindependent 317 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:01.880 masculine woman and just want to charge right through and 318 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.680 that that did not work. And so a lot of 319 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.119 the women that come to me are in the same 320 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:07.920 boat where they've they've done it all, they've held the 321 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:13.039 family together, never really thought about themselves, and now. 322 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.839 The body is demanding it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's learning 323 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:17.359 to listen. 324 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.359 And I just wanted to add on the you know, 325 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.920 the lowering cortisol with the voice. There's been studies shown 326 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.680 that it scientifically lowers cortisol, lowers your heart rate, and 327 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.279 increases oxytocin, which is a woman that's our main regulating hormone. 328 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.799 So toning or just humming while you're doing your dishes 329 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.599 can really bring you back into your body when we 330 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.640 start to spin out into the head. And the power 331 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.720 of doing it in a group with other people. If 332 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.319 you've ever done a yoga class and everybody owns together, 333 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.839 like there's just something so that like somatic that you 334 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.599 can feel about the healing power of making sound together. 335 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.519 Yeah, it's so, It's so true. Humming is incredibly healing. 336 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:01.759 There was I was reading a study someone humming to 337 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:06.160 themselves and healing their I think it was like sinocitis. 338 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.440 Makes sense. Yeah, and a vibrations coming right through here. Yeah, 339 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:11.599 you can give yourself an. 340 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:16.400 Internal acoustic massage so that the voice is connected to 341 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.279 the fascia and the vagas. 342 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.440 System all the way through your body. 343 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.200 So you can feel the vibration and give yourself a 344 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:24.680 little internal massage and it. 345 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.599 Will bring you it'll drop you out of your head. 346 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.720 I never was very good at meditating in silence, but 347 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.759 I can really get into it in the chanting, in 348 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.880 the singing. So there's a lot of different ways to meditate, 349 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.920 and this is just one one way that we can 350 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.000 explore our voice. And maybe if you don't feel safe 351 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.000 enough yet to stand up to your boss, you could 352 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:44.920 start singing in the. 353 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.079 Shower, like it's a way to start activating that. 354 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.640 Yeah, it's a great way to get into a parasympathetic 355 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.839 rest and repair, rest and digest response aka out of 356 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.319 fight or flight chronic stress response. 357 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.440 Start humming, start singing, you will you will feel and 358 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.559 sense sense of difference. Same with dance, right anything. 359 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.240 Somatic emotions are energy and motions, so we can use 360 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.119 we can use the voice, we use the body. It's 361 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.880 it's fun to just simply play around with how that 362 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.839 feels in your body, since everyone's body is different, and 363 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.039 I think you touched on you know another important piece, 364 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.759 which is that for our nervous system as woman, it's oxytocin. 365 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.000 Is the magic that recently kind of came out, like 366 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:30.359 within the. 367 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.160 Last year or so, right that we learn that because 368 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.079 there haven't been a ton of studies done on us, 369 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.640 on us ladies for various reasons. 370 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:41.079 No, so we've been doing them on our own bodies, right, 371 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.240 like for our own journeys with chronic illness. I learned that, 372 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.799 But it's like, yeah, that would have been nice to 373 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.440 know and beforehand, because I was trying to do it 374 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.720 like a man and biohack and yeah, eat all the 375 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.160 right things and detox and it did not work. 376 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.359 Why aren't the cold plunges working for me? Yeah? 377 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:03.440 Yeah, it's it's so it's really interesting how that's been 378 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.599 the case for so many of us on our healing 379 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:11.200 journeys and what doing things in a group looks like 380 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:16.079 and really popping into oxy that oxytocin very very important 381 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:18.079 and even. 382 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.960 If it's an online like I'm going to be offering 383 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.799 another workshop series online for chronic illness. I'm huge believer 384 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.799 in person events and I do a lot of those, 385 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:29.000 but just to find your people and feel heard, even 386 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.960 if you find someone in a different city but they 387 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.240 have the same illness as you, that's so regulating if 388 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.640 you're feeling really alone in your journey. And that's why 389 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.720 I started doing what I'm doing because I just felt 390 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:42.839 so isolated and alone and started creating spaces where we 391 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.640 can come together and you have you can just sit 392 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.480 with each other because you get it totally. 393 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.720 You don't have to give each other subtitles. And I 394 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.519 think too with I know in my chronic illness journey, 395 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.599 I mean I was couch bound and bed bound, so 396 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.279 like physically getting somewhere was a lot, and having an 397 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.359 online community was a big aspect of my healing because 398 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.960 I felt less isolated and comforted in knowing, hey, I'm 399 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:13.039 not the only person doing this, and also adding on 400 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.480 to that, ensuring that the people you're surrounding yourself with 401 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:20.559