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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.
Speaker 2: From haunted houses to cursed artifacts, from whispers in the
dark to battles you'll never read in scripture. This is
The Unholy Podcast, hosted by Doug Owen, author, investigator, and
survivor of one of the most harrowing real life hauntings
ever documented. Each week, Doug pulls back the veil between
this world and the next, sharing stories that aren't fiction
because he lived them. Prepare yourself, the silence is over.
Speaker 1: Tonight we step into one of the most infamous and
emotionally heavy locations in Idaho, the Old Idaho State Penitentiary,
a place built of stone, iron, and human suffering. For
those watching on video, you'll see the visuals as we go.
For those listening just to the audio, I want you
to imagine this with me. Cold sandstone walls, iron bars
worn by decades of confinement, peeling paint hanging from the
metal like the place itself is decaying, and darkness so
complete when the lights go out you can't even see
your own hand. This is The Unholy Podcast, and as
always I'm your host. Author and paranormal investigator Doug Owen.
Tonight we investigate the Old Idaho State Penitentiary, Part one,
and before we even stepped inside, there was something about
the exterior that set the tone. The sandstone walls, worn
and weathered, almost looked alive in the fading light, and
you could see cracks, chips and discoloration from decades of exposure.
For those watching, you're seeing those walls now. For those listening,
imagine thick stone, uneven, cold towering above you. The penitentiary
doesn't feel abandoned.
Speaker 3: It feels paused.
Speaker 1: Like something unfinished. Even the wind seemed quieter near the structure.
Sound doesn't travel the same inside the stone corridors, every
movement echoes, every footstep lingers, and when you know the history,
this silence becomes louder. Before we even left for the location,
preparation was critical. You don't walk into a place like
that casually. You prepare physically, mentally, and in some cases spiritually.
You're seeing the footage now, and if you're listening, imagine
a table laid out with gear. Dawn and I had
our tactical investigation vest positioned in.
Speaker 3: Front of us.
Speaker 1: Every pouch had a purpose. Every item was placed intentionally.
These weren't just vests, they were our mobile investigation platforms.
I wanted to make sure that we were prepared for
almost anything. Going into an unknown location like this, you
can never truly prepare for the paranormal. So mounted on
the front meter pouch, this allows immediate access to detect
electromagnetic fluctuations. Although the pouch is probably not necessarily as
we found out, because this was the item we used
the most, it was in our hands most of the time.
EMF spikes can sometimes indicate presence, especially in the building
that has no electricity. Centered on the best an iPhone
camera mount or Android phone, whichever you prefer, this allows
continuous recording hands free. If something happens, we're already documenting.
Attached to the shoulder a zoom capable flashlight wide beam
for room illumination, narrow beam for corridor and entity scanning.
On the opposite pouch, a UV black light flashlight used
to scan surfaces looking for anomalies, markings, or anything not
visible to standard light. In the lower pouch, the laser
temperature gun. Temperature fluctuations are often reported in paranormal environments,
sudden drops, sudden spikes, localized cold spots, and unexplained shifts,
communication radio complete with earpiece allowing for a silent coordination,
and then of course back up lighting mounted directly on
the chest, powered by an external battery pack. This ensures
we never lost illumination even if the primary light failed
in situations and locates like this, it has been well
documented that some of these entities or locations drain batteries.
I wanted to be prepared just in case. In the
vest pouch, we also carried motion activated objects spirit balls
or cat balls. If something unseen moves, they light up instantly.
Now in the rear pouch, of course we had other
protection items. We had Palo Santos, sage and holy water.
Some investigators use these symbolically, others use them spiritually. Either way,
we carried them because protection is important. One thing that's
important to also understand is mobility. We designed these vests
so that we wouldn't have to stop investigating to equipment.
Everything was within reach. If the EMF meter spiked, it
was already there. It was already mounted. If we needed lighting,
it was already powered. This eliminates delay because in paranormal
investigation moments happened quickly. You don't get a second chance,
you don't get retakes. Everything must be immediate. Even the
placement of the spirit balls. They were strategic. We kept
them accessible so we could deploy them in multiple rooms,
and we wanted interaction. In fact, at one point we
begged for interaction.
Speaker 3: We were ready.
Speaker 1: We're just getting started and we're going to take a
quick break and when we return, I'll continue with the
dry an impression of the penitentiary. We'll be right back
after this short commercial break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Unholy Podcast. So as we.
Speaker 1: Drove to the penitentiary. The sun was fading behind the
boys of Foothills. The atmosphere changed. You could feel the
anticipation and.
Speaker 3: It was building.
Speaker 1: Then in the distance we could see the illuminated cross
at table rock. It looms over the penitentiary like a beacon,
light above darkness, faith overlooking the suffering standing outside, you
could sense the history of the stone, the iron, and
the silence. Now the old State Penitentiary opened in eighteen
seventy two, built using standstone queried by inmates themselves. Now
the sails were small, conditions were absolutely harsh, brutal concrete floor,
iron beds, minimal heat. Overcrowding created tension, violence followed. Riots
irrumpted in nineteen seventy three. The riots left portions of
the cells burned and destroyed. Charred ceiling still remain, Peeling
paint still hangs on the bars, Graffiti left by inmates
remains visible. Walking through, you could feel the oppression, cold stone,
echoing footsteps, the sense that suffering lingers. And if it's
possible that suffering is such an intense emotion, can it
not imprint on a physical location. One of the most
infamous inmates Raymond Snowden convicted of murder, and he was
executed in nineteen fifty seven, known as the Idaho axe murderer.
Standing near the area associated with Snowden, the atmosphere felt
noticeably different now. His cell, as it's labeled, is directly
across from the gallows where he was hung, the lever
sticking out of the floor, the wooden rectangular area that
is set up as a drop so the floor opens
up when the lever is pulled. In the ceiling you
can see the big iron loop, not quite a hook,
but a closed loop where the hangman's noose would be
threaded through and drop down to the executed. The silence
seemed depaper near his cell, the air seemed still. We
documented the area carefully, video rolling pictures, audio recordings, listening,
waiting and watching. No immediate visual movement, but the feeling lingered.
Whether psychological or something more, it was undeniable. Now members
of Big River Paranormal have reported being touched, heard voices,
and pushed. This area is extremely active and, as I
had said before, one of the most haunted locations in
the United States. The iron bars were unwelcoming and in
some areas they weren't round bars but flat stamped iron,
which gave the inmates less.
Speaker 3: Of a view out of their cell.
Speaker 1: Peering through tiny square holes. The feeling of claustrophobia must
have been immense. When we come back from this break,
we'll step into the penitentiary and actually begin the investigation.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Unholy Podcast.
Speaker 1: As always, I am your host, author and paranormal investigator,
Doug Owen. So once inside, the darkness consumed the interior,
we turned off flashlights. It was absolutely black, no ambient light,
no glow, just total darkness. We moved building to building,
roughly forty five minutes in each structured structured time, structured
events led by one of.
Speaker 3: The members from the Big River.
Speaker 1: Paranormal seven structures total, and each building felt different. Some
were neutral, others oppressive, almost suffocating. My MF meter began
to spik intermittently, not constant, but reactive. We ruled out wiring,
electronics or external interference. Continued to remain unexplained, except for
when questions were asked of the spirits. There was a
measurable response. Then one of the most unsettling moments, a
chuckle directly behind me. When one of the Big River
Paranormal team asked a question if the spirit could move
closer to us, the chuckle.
Speaker 3: Came directly behind me.
Speaker 1: It was a deep man's voice, deeper than mine and
seemed to snicker at the question. And this sound came
directly behind me, between myself and the Big River paranormal
team leader, who was sitting perched on a barstool near
the cells. We stopped, immediately checked positions. No one was there.
She had asked if that was me making the noise.
I confirmed that it was not, and that I had
heard it come from directly behind me. Now, I will
play the audio here so you can hear, and I
will enhance the audio Immediately after she asked the question
if the spirit can move closer. Almost before the echo
of her voice dies, you can hear the chuckle.
Speaker 4: It came from behind me. That was directly behind me. No,
it was between you and me. Yeah, I like you.
Speaker 1: The atmosphere shifted instantly, and you could feel the tension
in the air, the excitement from the rest of the
people who were there investigating. Now, as we moved deeper
into one of the cell blocks, Dawn suddenly stopped. She
announced that she had heard a voice to her right,
coming from a darkened cell area.
Speaker 3: It was almost.
Speaker 1: Inaudible, like a whisper, but clearly separate from ambient noise. Now,
one thing to note here is that when we were
in the cell with the team, we were instructed that
anytime our.
Speaker 3: Bodies made a noise we.
Speaker 1: Rustled, velcrow tearing as I grabbed a new investigative tool, flagulens, berbs, bones,
pomping and creaking, coughs, sneezes. All of these noises we
were to confess and announce so that later on, when
the recordings are analyzed, we can be separated from the
rest of the noises in the background to make sure
that what we're hearing is none of the team members.
We entered the burned cell block. You become more aware
once these entities or these spirits answer back. You focus
on listening more intently. You focus on not making a sound,
even controlling your breathing. At one point, my stomach growled.
Speaker 3: Due to hunger. You could hear it audibly.
Speaker 1: That's how quiet everyone was. As we investigated the burned
out cell block, the fire damage everywhere, char herd, iron, peeling, paint,
and graffiti. This area felt heavy, oppressive, almost suffocating. Now
we placed spirit ball strategically in the cells. One of
the inmates by the name of Alvarez. We questioned repeatedly
and my EMF meter spiked. The question was posed by
the Big River paranormal leader about the length that he
had gone without seeing his wife and children. Almost immediately,
my EMF meter spiked and held steady at the red.
I couldn't tell if this was the entity's pain, anger
at the question, or excitement that somebody had asked a
personal question.
Speaker 3: Whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Seemed to elicit a response from this spirit. The spirit
balls were unfortunately never touched or never moved. We had
asked several times for them to touch the ball while
the EMF meter spiked. Another team member claims they witnessed
a shadowy figure on the upper floor, claiming that the
hand dark, mysterious, shadowy and foreboding, was reaching out, and
also the figure of a man, just a shadow an
outline was peeking every time my meter would spike. Now
I was downstairs, she was looking upstairs and off to
the right, by about thirty feet from me. I positioned
myself in front of my meter with my back turned
towards her, so she could not see when my meter spiked,
but it did coincide with her sighting. Every time she
claimed she saw this figure, my EMF meter spiked, So
we were watching for movement. The penitentiary felt alive in
its stillness. We intentionally turned the lights off at times
experiencing total darkness. Now stone absorbs light, shadows dominate every footstep,
every movement, every breath is amplified.
Speaker 3: By the time we.
Speaker 1: Completed the seventh structure, I had gathered approximately four and
a half hours of video, footage, audio, and environmental readings.
Dawn herself seems to have captured thing down a dark
corridor hallway. I'll show the picture here and let you
make a judgment on what it is.
Speaker 3: But as you can.
Speaker 1: See, the object seems to be a white, floating circular.
And I don't like the word orb. I think that
orbs are overused in paranormal investigating. But it does appear
to be spherical fifteen to sixteen feet away. It doesn't
look like a reflection of light, doesn't look like anything
ambient light where it would bounce off of another surface.
Speaker 3: It looks to be free floating.
Speaker 1: And when she took the picture, she didn't notice anything unusual,
but the hallway was incredibly dark. In fact, the hallway
was one we did not go down. Some of these
are explainable, some of the images are simple environmental readings,
some are not.
Speaker 3: And this was only the beginning.
Speaker 1: Seven buildings. Multiple experiences and more evidence to review when
we return. Will continue deeper into the penitentiary, discuss additional
activity in remaining structures, and review footage that defies explanation.
Will be right back after this short commercial break.
Speaker 2: The experiences discussed on The Unholy Podcast are not fiction.
They are drawn from lived events, Doug's first hand account
of a sustained haunting, as documented in the book The
Unholy Silence. The book details the investigation, the psychological toll,
and the impact on his fa family, offering a deeper
look at what happens when paranormal events move beyond theory
and into daily life. The Unholy Silence is available worldwide
through Amazon in paperback, hardback, and ebook formats for those
who want the full account, The story begins there.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Unholy Podcast. I'm your host, author
and paranormal investigator, Dug Owen. So the Old Idaho Penitentiary
carries an atmosphere unlike most locations. Walking through it, you
feel the weight of history. As we walked back to
the final cell block, the silence was heavier than before.
Maybe it was because we were all fatigued and hungry,
but you can almost feel it.
Speaker 3: Can you feel it?
Speaker 1: The emptiness of the corridors, the smell of the stone,
dust and decay, a faint metallic tang in the air.
And I asked myself what exactly lingers here? Is it
the memories of the inmates, the suffering, or something else entirely? Now,
Dawn whispered behind me.
Speaker 3: Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: I paused, straining to hear nothing. Then, just as I relaxed,
a faint echoing sound.
Speaker 3: At the front of the hall.
Speaker 1: Would you follow the sound or turn away? Would you
be brave enough to go into this haunted location in
the darkness to investigate the unknown? Now I've said before
that I believe everybody has experienced a paranormal entity or
a spirit something unexplained at least one time in their life.
Or you've heard of somebody who's experienced something unexplained?
Speaker 3: So would you.
Speaker 1: Go into the dark? Would you explore these cell blocks?
So we stopped in the central hall. The MF meter
spiked again, not once, but three times in succession. I
had asked the question earlier when we reached the barber cell.
Speaker 3: Does the barber give good haircuts?
Speaker 1: I had asked another question, also, is the food any
good here? And what is your favorite song. Now, I
haven't reviewed the audio footage to see if there was
any answers in the darkness. I would be interested to
see if there was something any noise. Don had mentioned
that she had heard a voice earlier, and I haven't
reviewed that footage as well. Keep in mind I have
over five hours of footage to go through, including night
vision footage from my night vision camera. Our minds can
only understand what it can understand. Now, that sounds pretty basic,
but it's elementary. Our minds search for meaning, searching out
patterns even when there are none. But every shadow, every spike,
every sound had to have meant something. This place is
investigated almost nightly. Groups rent the location out to perform
their own investigation. There is a lock down that happens
overnight at times.
Speaker 3: Where amateur paranormal.
Speaker 1: Investigators and experienced paranormal investigators can go and stay in
this haunted location overnight. When you enter this place, the
air feels tighter, but as you leave and go back outside,
the presence of the penitentiary at lingers almost like it
sticks to you. You carry it with you. And now
I ask you, listeners, viewers, when you hear about a
place like this. When you hear about the unseene and
the unexplainable, do you believe it's in your mind or
something else. I want you to think about this. If
you were standing in one of those cells alone in
the dark, would you dare speak? Would you listen? Each
shadow on camera, every whisper? Everything you thought you knew
about this world has changed. Once you see evidence of
the paranormal, you can't simply dismiss it, and you know
to trust yourself. Most of us, our brains don't conjure
or fabricate these things that we see and don and
I discussed this afterwards, not to sensationalize, but to understand
what we experienced.
Speaker 3: We were tired.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of walking and standing on hard concrete,
squeezing through the narrow corridors and into the even narrower set.
The penitentiary is not just a building, but I believe
it's a vessel, a witness, and maybe a record of
human suffering. When you leave somewhere like that, you carry
it in your mind, your body, even your spirit. So
I ask you again, when you walk through the world
in silence, do you really know if something is listening
and watching and waiting are we busy with just normal,
everyday lives, paying bills, finding love, caring for each other,
picking up groceries, getting the car work done. With all
of these distractions of basic survival, do we really focus
on the paranormal and the unexplained around us? Because sometimes
the silence is not just about the absence of sound,
it's the presence of something else. So before we end
tonight's segment Part one here, I wanted to update everybody
on some activities that are coming up. So this weekend Saturday,
I will be signing copies of my book, The Unholy
Silence at the Treasure Valley Book Fair at the Nampa,
Idaho Library. So come on out, say hello, get an
autograph copy of my book, and stay for a bit,
have a chat, ask some questions. I'll answer some questions. Also,
Friday nights, The Unholy podcast will be airing. So I
want to reflect and I want to share my thoughts
and feelings about this investigation, at least this part, and
there is more coming in the coming weeks. It will
take me a bit of time, but I will go
through the evidence with a fine tith come and maybe
I'll find something, and maybe I won't we never know.
Part of being a paranormal investigator isn't always just finding
that spirit or that voice in the darkness. Sometimes you
find absolutely nothing at all, stale, neutral areas when you investigate.
Speaker 3: But I do want to share.
Speaker 1: Some of my thoughts and feelings, at least about this
investigation and the nature of paranormal investigating. So as we
go through this, I would like you to reflect on
your own paranormal experiences, what you've seen, and maybe you're
currently fighting a silent battle that nobody knows about. Maybe
nobody knows that you're under attack by an entity or
a spirit. Perhaps you're fighting every day to hold on
to your sanity. I went through this experience myself, and
I hid it because of shame. As I've said before,
there's a certain shame about being haunted, being different than
the rest of the people. At best, people will think
you're crazy. At worst, you're damned. So we hide it.
Most of us do. We conceal it, and we keep
it to ourselves, and we fight a lonely struggle and
a lonely battle. And that's why I became a paranormal
investigator and an author. My book just isn't about me
telling the tale of the harrowing haunting I went through.
It's about reaching others who may be experiencing what I experienced,
people who might need help.
Speaker 3: It's available, It's out there.
Speaker 1: The paranormal community is a huge family, a very welcoming family.
We're all after the same thing, answers about the unknown,
exploring the unknown, and understanding our environment. So I want
to go ahead and share some of my thoughts about
this particular investigation. So what stays with me the most
isn't just what we experienced. It's what we didn't see.
And that may sound strange, but sometimes the most powerful
part of an investigation is the absence of something concrete.
That sounds strange, right, because when you walk through a
place like the Idaho State Penitentiary, you're not just walking
through buildings. You're walking through layers of human emotion, fear, anger, regret, desperation, hope,
all of it embedded in stone and steel. And I
found myself thinking, long after we left, how many voices
were never heard, how many men sat in those cells
staring at the walls, wondering if anyone knew their story,
or if anyone would ever know their story, whether they
were guilty or innocent, whether they were violent or broken
they were, there's still human beings confined, isolated, and cut
off from the world.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't advocate crime, and I certainly believe in just punishment. However,
the brutal conditions and the old Idaho State pen were
barely humane. In fact, I would go so far as
to say that they were inhumane, which is why they
retired the place and made it a museum. Isolation does
something to a person. We talk about hauntings, we talk
about spirits lingering, But what if some of that energy
isn't about death at all. What if it's about memory.
What if places like this record imprint emotions in some way,
moments of extreme fear, despair, anger, recorded somehow in ways
we don't fully understand. And when investigators walk in, maybe
we're not encountering spirits. Maybe we're encountering echoes, echoes of arguments,
echoes of footsteps pacing in a cell, echoes of someone
calling out and never receiving an answer. And I'll be honest,
just the thought, just that thought, is just as unsettling,
because an echo means that something happened, something real, something emotional,
enough to leave a mark, And as I walked those corridors,
I kept thinking about the passage of time. Decades have passed,
generations have come, and generations have gone, Yet the penitentiary
still stands silent, watching how many investigators have walked those halls,
and how many people have stood exactly where I stood,
asking the same questions, is anyone here? Can you hear
me commanding them to show themselves? And maybe, just maybe
those questions have been asked so so many times that
the building itself is aware.
Speaker 3: Is that possible?
Speaker 1: I know it sounds strange, but when you spend enough
time in these locations, you start to realize they don't
feel empty. They feel observant, like something is listening. Not
necessarily malicious, just aware, not necessarily benevolent, because as human beings,
we're wired to detect when we're being watched. That's just
human nature. Even when you can't see anything, your body reacts,
your instincts kick in. You feel it in the back
of your neck, that settle sensation.
Speaker 3: That you're not alone.
Speaker 1: And I felt that more than once inside those walls.
Not fear, well, not exactly fear, but awareness, an uneasy feeling,
and there's a difference. Fear is sudden, awareness is constant.
Fear spikes, awareness lingers, and that lingering feeling followed me
long after the investigation ended, even later that night, reviewing footage,
sitting quietly discussing it with Dawn, I kept replaying the
sounds in my mind, the footsteps, the faint movement, the
emf spikes, the questions we asked that got a response,
and of course the chunckle that came from behind me
trying to rationalize them, trying to explain them in my
own mind. But sometimes you reach a point where the
explanation isn't the goal anymore. Understanding becomes more important than explanation.
Understanding that some places carry weight, Like when you buy
a car, sometimes you feel that that car has a personality.
And I think most of us have felt that, most
of us who drive a car, who've owned a car,
we all have that special one car. We give it
a name, we call it the name. When it doesn't start,
it has presence. So understanding that history leaves impressions. Understanding
that silence isn't always empty, and that's something I think
people underestimate. Silence can be loud in a prison, Silence
is different. It's not peaceful, It's tense because silence in
prison means confinement, it means isolation. It means people are
sitting alone with their thoughts, and thoughts, as we know,
can be powerful. Now, I want you to imagine sitting
in a small stone cell, no distractions, no comfort, no Internet,
no Facebook, no Instagram, no TikTok, just your own mind
and time, hours turning into days, turning into years. What
kind of energy does that create? What kind of emotion
imprint does that leave behind? These are the questions that
stay with me as I investigate the paranormal. And paranormal
not meaning just ghosts, just spirits, just things that rise
from the graveyard. Paranormal investigation isn't just about capturing evidence.
It's about understanding your environment. To truly investigate the paranormal,
you need to understand history, you need to understand at
least a little bit of science, and you've got to
have a lot of faith, not necessarily in religion, but
faith that the unknown eventually will become known. That's why
we do this, That's why we are paranormal investigators, so
that we can help each other understand the unknown to
journey as explorers have in eons past, they have ventured
into the unknown.
Speaker 3: That's what we do.
Speaker 1: Paranormal investigators go headfirst into the darkness, into the unknown.
We explore to learn about our environment, to learn about
these things that we call entities, that we call ghosts,
that we call spirits. We name them cryptids, we call
them monsters, whatever name you wish to give them. The unknown,
the unnatural, and the unexplored.
Speaker 3: That is our.
Speaker 1: Mandate understanding the human experience, and a place like the
penitentiary represent all of that. They represent consequences, they represent isolation,
they represent finality, and sometimes they represent unfinished stories, stories
that never had closure, stories that ended abruptly, sadly, tragically,
stories that faded into silence. And maybe, just maybe that's
why these places feel like they do, not because something
is actively haunting them, but because something never truly left,
not physically, not emotionally. And when you step into that environment,
you become part of it. You assign yourself to a
chapter in history, because this moment will never come again.
You walk where others walked, you stand where others stood,
You experience, even for a brief moment, the weight that
they carried. And I think That's why investigations.
Speaker 3: Like this matter.
Speaker 1: Not just for evidence, but for perspective, your view. They
remind us how fragile human life is. They remind us
that nothing is this life is temporary. Nobody knows how
much time they have, how powerful emotions can be. Think
about that and how places can hold on to it
long after we're gone. So when I think back on
this investigation, I don't just think about what we heard
or what we saw. I think about this silence. The
kind of silence that makes you listen harder, the kind
of silence that makes you aware of your surroundings, the
kind of silence that makes you wonder if something is
listening back. And that's the part.
Speaker 3: That stays with you.
Speaker 1: In my experience, the silence.
Speaker 3: Can be the most terrifying thing.
Speaker 1: So, as I always say, dear listeners and fellow viewers,
until next time, stay safe, be aware, and beware, because
sometimes the silence is the most terrifying thing.
Speaker 2: You've just heard. Another chilling chapter of The Unholy Podcast
hosted by Doug Owen, author, investigator and witness to the
Things most fear to name. For more real stories, cursed
objects and exclusive content, step deeper into the dark at
authordugowen dot com, subscribe, share, and remember some silences aren't empty.
Speaker 3: They're waiting.