1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,400 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: From haunted houses to cursed artifacts, from whispers in the 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,039 dark to battles you'll never read in scripture. This is 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,600 The Unholy Podcast, hosted by Doug Owen, author, investigator, and 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,320 survivor of one of the most harrowing real life hauntings 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,280 ever documented. Each week, Doug pulls back the veil between 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,399 this world and the next, sharing stories that aren't fiction 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,399 because he lived them. Prepare yourself, the silence is over. 10 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,399 Speaker 1: Tonight we step into one of the most infamous and 11 00:00:55,479 --> 00:01:02,600 emotionally heavy locations in Idaho, the Old Idaho State Penitentiary, 12 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,560 a place built of stone, iron, and human suffering. For 13 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,400 those watching on video, you'll see the visuals as we go. 14 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,959 For those listening just to the audio, I want you 15 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:22,280 to imagine this with me. Cold sandstone walls, iron bars 16 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:28,680 worn by decades of confinement, peeling paint hanging from the 17 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:35,239 metal like the place itself is decaying, and darkness so 18 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,519 complete when the lights go out you can't even see 19 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,120 your own hand. This is The Unholy Podcast, and as 20 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:49,560 always I'm your host. Author and paranormal investigator Doug Owen. 21 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,599 Tonight we investigate the Old Idaho State Penitentiary, Part one, 22 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,799 and before we even stepped inside, there was something about 23 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,840 the exterior that set the tone. The sandstone walls, worn 24 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:11,439 and weathered, almost looked alive in the fading light, and 25 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:16,840 you could see cracks, chips and discoloration from decades of exposure. 26 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,280 For those watching, you're seeing those walls now. For those listening, 27 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:31,360 imagine thick stone, uneven, cold towering above you. The penitentiary 28 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:33,360 doesn't feel abandoned. 29 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: It feels paused. 30 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,199 Speaker 1: Like something unfinished. Even the wind seemed quieter near the structure. 31 00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:49,039 Sound doesn't travel the same inside the stone corridors, every 32 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:54,840 movement echoes, every footstep lingers, and when you know the history, 33 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:01,199 this silence becomes louder. Before we even left for the location, 34 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:05,560 preparation was critical. You don't walk into a place like 35 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:14,240 that casually. You prepare physically, mentally, and in some cases spiritually. 36 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,479 You're seeing the footage now, and if you're listening, imagine 37 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,919 a table laid out with gear. Dawn and I had 38 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,360 our tactical investigation vest positioned in. 39 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:29,879 Speaker 3: Front of us. 40 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:35,759 Speaker 1: Every pouch had a purpose. Every item was placed intentionally. 41 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,520 These weren't just vests, they were our mobile investigation platforms. 42 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 I wanted to make sure that we were prepared for 43 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:53,560 almost anything. Going into an unknown location like this, you 44 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:59,319 can never truly prepare for the paranormal. So mounted on 45 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:07,120 the front meter pouch, this allows immediate access to detect 46 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,599 electromagnetic fluctuations. Although the pouch is probably not necessarily as 47 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:16,120 we found out, because this was the item we used 48 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,959 the most, it was in our hands most of the time. 49 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,680 EMF spikes can sometimes indicate presence, especially in the building 50 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:36,639 that has no electricity. Centered on the best an iPhone 51 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,319 camera mount or Android phone, whichever you prefer, this allows 52 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:48,000 continuous recording hands free. If something happens, we're already documenting. 53 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:55,279 Attached to the shoulder a zoom capable flashlight wide beam 54 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,720 for room illumination, narrow beam for corridor and entity scanning. 55 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,879 On the opposite pouch, a UV black light flashlight used 56 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:15,879 to scan surfaces looking for anomalies, markings, or anything not 57 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,920 visible to standard light. In the lower pouch, the laser 58 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,439 temperature gun. Temperature fluctuations are often reported in paranormal environments, 59 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:36,120 sudden drops, sudden spikes, localized cold spots, and unexplained shifts, 60 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:42,839 communication radio complete with earpiece allowing for a silent coordination, 61 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:47,120 and then of course back up lighting mounted directly on 62 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,560 the chest, powered by an external battery pack. This ensures 63 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,680 we never lost illumination even if the primary light failed 64 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,399 in situations and locates like this, it has been well 65 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:08,399 documented that some of these entities or locations drain batteries. 66 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,680 I wanted to be prepared just in case. In the 67 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:19,279 vest pouch, we also carried motion activated objects spirit balls 68 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,519 or cat balls. If something unseen moves, they light up instantly. 69 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,360 Now in the rear pouch, of course we had other 70 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,600 protection items. We had Palo Santos, sage and holy water. 71 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:44,040 Some investigators use these symbolically, others use them spiritually. Either way, 72 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:51,839 we carried them because protection is important. One thing that's 73 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,040 important to also understand is mobility. We designed these vests 74 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,639 so that we wouldn't have to stop investigating to equipment. 75 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Everything was within reach. If the EMF meter spiked, it 76 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:11,879 was already there. It was already mounted. If we needed lighting, 77 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,439 it was already powered. This eliminates delay because in paranormal 78 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:23,319 investigation moments happened quickly. You don't get a second chance, 79 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:32,519 you don't get retakes. Everything must be immediate. Even the 80 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:39,000 placement of the spirit balls. They were strategic. We kept 81 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,959 them accessible so we could deploy them in multiple rooms, 82 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:47,199 and we wanted interaction. In fact, at one point we 83 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,319 begged for interaction. 84 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: We were ready. 85 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,519 Speaker 1: We're just getting started and we're going to take a 86 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,519 quick break and when we return, I'll continue with the 87 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:03,439 dry an impression of the penitentiary. We'll be right back 88 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,240 after this short commercial break. 89 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: Across the Atlantic, where history runs deep, the shadows speak louder. 90 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:15,480 Welcome to Paranormal UK Radio, the largest paranormal radio network 91 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,240 in Europe and a global destination for the unexplained. From 92 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,959 ancient hauntings and restless spirits to UFO encounters, cryptids and 93 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,240 unsolved mysteries. This is where the world's strangest stories are told, 94 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,919 featuring an international line up of hosts, including The Unholy Podcast, 95 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,159 delivering raw, chilling encounters from the edge of reality. Tune 96 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:47,360 in now at PARANORMALUK radio dot com. Paranormal UK Radio 97 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:53,559 where legends live and the unknown is always listening. 98 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,519 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Unholy Podcast. So as we. 99 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,919 Speaker 1: Drove to the penitentiary. The sun was fading behind the 100 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,799 boys of Foothills. The atmosphere changed. You could feel the 101 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:12,720 anticipation and. 102 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: It was building. 103 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: Then in the distance we could see the illuminated cross 104 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,840 at table rock. It looms over the penitentiary like a beacon, 105 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:33,320 light above darkness, faith overlooking the suffering standing outside, you 106 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,879 could sense the history of the stone, the iron, and 107 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:42,759 the silence. Now the old State Penitentiary opened in eighteen 108 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:51,279 seventy two, built using standstone queried by inmates themselves. Now 109 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:58,759 the sails were small, conditions were absolutely harsh, brutal concrete floor, 110 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:08,919 iron beds, minimal heat. Overcrowding created tension, violence followed. Riots 111 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:14,799 irrumpted in nineteen seventy three. The riots left portions of 112 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:21,000 the cells burned and destroyed. Charred ceiling still remain, Peeling 113 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:27,159 paint still hangs on the bars, Graffiti left by inmates 114 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:36,279 remains visible. Walking through, you could feel the oppression, cold stone, 115 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,080 echoing footsteps, the sense that suffering lingers. And if it's 116 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,080 possible that suffering is such an intense emotion, can it 117 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:54,879 not imprint on a physical location. One of the most 118 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,399 infamous inmates Raymond Snowden convicted of murder, and he was 119 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:07,120 executed in nineteen fifty seven, known as the Idaho axe murderer. 120 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,759 Standing near the area associated with Snowden, the atmosphere felt 121 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:20,360 noticeably different now. His cell, as it's labeled, is directly 122 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,399 across from the gallows where he was hung, the lever 123 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,639 sticking out of the floor, the wooden rectangular area that 124 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:35,799 is set up as a drop so the floor opens 125 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,600 up when the lever is pulled. In the ceiling you 126 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:45,879 can see the big iron loop, not quite a hook, 127 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,360 but a closed loop where the hangman's noose would be 128 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:59,440 threaded through and drop down to the executed. The silence 129 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:05,080 seemed depaper near his cell, the air seemed still. We 130 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:13,759 documented the area carefully, video rolling pictures, audio recordings, listening, 131 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:21,559 waiting and watching. No immediate visual movement, but the feeling lingered. 132 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:29,559 Whether psychological or something more, it was undeniable. Now members 133 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,240 of Big River Paranormal have reported being touched, heard voices, 134 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:45,080 and pushed. This area is extremely active and, as I 135 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:50,360 had said before, one of the most haunted locations in 136 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:58,039 the United States. The iron bars were unwelcoming and in 137 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:06,080 some areas they weren't round bars but flat stamped iron, 138 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,240 which gave the inmates less. 139 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: Of a view out of their cell. 140 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:19,879 Speaker 1: Peering through tiny square holes. The feeling of claustrophobia must 141 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:26,159 have been immense. When we come back from this break, 142 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,080 we'll step into the penitentiary and actually begin the investigation. 143 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:34,639 Speaker 3: Stay with us. 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We moved building to building, 162 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:26,759 roughly forty five minutes in each structured structured time, structured 163 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,840 events led by one of. 164 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: The members from the Big River. 165 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal seven structures total, and each building felt different. Some 166 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:47,360 were neutral, others oppressive, almost suffocating. My MF meter began 167 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:55,240 to spik intermittently, not constant, but reactive. We ruled out wiring, 168 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:03,840 electronics or external interference. Continued to remain unexplained, except for 169 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:09,240 when questions were asked of the spirits. There was a 170 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:17,679 measurable response. Then one of the most unsettling moments, a 171 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:23,120 chuckle directly behind me. When one of the Big River 172 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,279 Paranormal team asked a question if the spirit could move 173 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:31,480 closer to us, the chuckle. 174 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: Came directly behind me. 175 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: It was a deep man's voice, deeper than mine and 176 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:43,039 seemed to snicker at the question. And this sound came 177 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,519 directly behind me, between myself and the Big River paranormal 178 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:53,360 team leader, who was sitting perched on a barstool near 179 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:59,480 the cells. We stopped, immediately checked positions. No one was there. 180 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:04,319 She had asked if that was me making the noise. 181 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,039 I confirmed that it was not, and that I had 182 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:12,559 heard it come from directly behind me. Now, I will 183 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:15,039 play the audio here so you can hear, and I 184 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:19,799 will enhance the audio Immediately after she asked the question 185 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,799 if the spirit can move closer. Almost before the echo 186 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,720 of her voice dies, you can hear the chuckle. 187 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:44,759 Speaker 4: It came from behind me. That was directly behind me. No, 188 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:52,000 it was between you and me. Yeah, I like you. 189 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,519 Speaker 1: The atmosphere shifted instantly, and you could feel the tension 190 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,279 in the air, the excitement from the rest of the 191 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:11,440 people who were there investigating. Now, as we moved deeper 192 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:16,839 into one of the cell blocks, Dawn suddenly stopped. She 193 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,160 announced that she had heard a voice to her right, 194 00:18:20,279 --> 00:18:24,559 coming from a darkened cell area. 195 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: It was almost. 196 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: Inaudible, like a whisper, but clearly separate from ambient noise. Now, 197 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:36,839 one thing to note here is that when we were 198 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:40,400 in the cell with the team, we were instructed that 199 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,400 anytime our. 200 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 3: Bodies made a noise we. 201 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: Rustled, velcrow tearing as I grabbed a new investigative tool, flagulens, berbs, bones, 202 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,160 pomping and creaking, coughs, sneezes. All of these noises we 203 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,880 were to confess and announce so that later on, when 204 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,119 the recordings are analyzed, we can be separated from the 205 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,559 rest of the noises in the background to make sure 206 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,000 that what we're hearing is none of the team members. 207 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:23,799 We entered the burned cell block. You become more aware 208 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:31,519 once these entities or these spirits answer back. You focus 209 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:38,880 on listening more intently. You focus on not making a sound, 210 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:46,079 even controlling your breathing. At one point, my stomach growled. 211 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:49,319 Speaker 3: Due to hunger. You could hear it audibly. 212 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: That's how quiet everyone was. As we investigated the burned 213 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:02,359 out cell block, the fire damage everywhere, char herd, iron, peeling, paint, 214 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:10,839 and graffiti. This area felt heavy, oppressive, almost suffocating. Now 215 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:17,279 we placed spirit ball strategically in the cells. One of 216 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:22,519 the inmates by the name of Alvarez. We questioned repeatedly 217 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:30,119 and my EMF meter spiked. The question was posed by 218 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:37,160 the Big River paranormal leader about the length that he 219 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,880 had gone without seeing his wife and children. Almost immediately, 220 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:46,000 my EMF meter spiked and held steady at the red. 221 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,319 I couldn't tell if this was the entity's pain, anger 222 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,720 at the question, or excitement that somebody had asked a 223 00:20:58,759 --> 00:20:59,599 personal question. 224 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,319 Speaker 3: Whatever it was. 225 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: Seemed to elicit a response from this spirit. The spirit 226 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:13,519 balls were unfortunately never touched or never moved. We had 227 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:17,759 asked several times for them to touch the ball while 228 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:24,160 the EMF meter spiked. Another team member claims they witnessed 229 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,000 a shadowy figure on the upper floor, claiming that the 230 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:38,000 hand dark, mysterious, shadowy and foreboding, was reaching out, and 231 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,519 also the figure of a man, just a shadow an 232 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,680 outline was peeking every time my meter would spike. Now 233 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,319 I was downstairs, she was looking upstairs and off to 234 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,599 the right, by about thirty feet from me. I positioned 235 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,920 myself in front of my meter with my back turned 236 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,759 towards her, so she could not see when my meter spiked, 237 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,400 but it did coincide with her sighting. Every time she 238 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:19,599 claimed she saw this figure, my EMF meter spiked, So 239 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,440 we were watching for movement. The penitentiary felt alive in 240 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,480 its stillness. We intentionally turned the lights off at times 241 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:40,000 experiencing total darkness. Now stone absorbs light, shadows dominate every footstep, 242 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:44,000 every movement, every breath is amplified. 243 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: By the time we. 244 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Completed the seventh structure, I had gathered approximately four and 245 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:56,039 a half hours of video, footage, audio, and environmental readings. 246 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,240 Dawn herself seems to have captured thing down a dark 247 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,519 corridor hallway. I'll show the picture here and let you 248 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:08,200 make a judgment on what it is. 249 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 3: But as you can. 250 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:14,079 Speaker 1: See, the object seems to be a white, floating circular. 251 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,799 And I don't like the word orb. I think that 252 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,359 orbs are overused in paranormal investigating. But it does appear 253 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:30,319 to be spherical fifteen to sixteen feet away. It doesn't 254 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,519 look like a reflection of light, doesn't look like anything 255 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,400 ambient light where it would bounce off of another surface. 256 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 3: It looks to be free floating. 257 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: And when she took the picture, she didn't notice anything unusual, 258 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,720 but the hallway was incredibly dark. In fact, the hallway 259 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:58,039 was one we did not go down. Some of these 260 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:04,400 are explainable, some of the images are simple environmental readings, 261 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:06,079 some are not. 262 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,599 Speaker 3: And this was only the beginning. 263 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:20,759 Speaker 1: Seven buildings. Multiple experiences and more evidence to review when 264 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:26,400 we return. Will continue deeper into the penitentiary, discuss additional 265 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:33,160 activity in remaining structures, and review footage that defies explanation. 266 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,000 Will be right back after this short commercial break. 267 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,759 Speaker 2: The experiences discussed on The Unholy Podcast are not fiction. 268 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,079 They are drawn from lived events, Doug's first hand account 269 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,079 of a sustained haunting, as documented in the book The 270 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:58,000 Unholy Silence. The book details the investigation, the psychological toll, 271 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,000 and the impact on his fa family, offering a deeper 272 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,880 look at what happens when paranormal events move beyond theory 273 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,799 and into daily life. The Unholy Silence is available worldwide 274 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,240 through Amazon in paperback, hardback, and ebook formats for those 275 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,480 who want the full account, The story begins there. 276 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Unholy Podcast. I'm your host, author 277 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,960 and paranormal investigator, Dug Owen. So the Old Idaho Penitentiary 278 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,960 carries an atmosphere unlike most locations. Walking through it, you 279 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,519 feel the weight of history. As we walked back to 280 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,640 the final cell block, the silence was heavier than before. 281 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,519 Maybe it was because we were all fatigued and hungry, 282 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,359 but you can almost feel it. 283 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,759 Speaker 3: Can you feel it? 284 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: The emptiness of the corridors, the smell of the stone, 285 00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:06,480 dust and decay, a faint metallic tang in the air. 286 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:13,559 And I asked myself what exactly lingers here? Is it 287 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:21,920 the memories of the inmates, the suffering, or something else entirely? Now, 288 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Dawn whispered behind me. 289 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,079 Speaker 3: Do you hear that? 290 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: I paused, straining to hear nothing. Then, just as I relaxed, 291 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,200 a faint echoing sound. 292 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,839 Speaker 3: At the front of the hall. 293 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,839 Speaker 1: Would you follow the sound or turn away? Would you 294 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:51,880 be brave enough to go into this haunted location in 295 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,759 the darkness to investigate the unknown? Now I've said before 296 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,960 that I believe everybody has experienced a paranormal entity or 297 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:11,039 a spirit something unexplained at least one time in their life. 298 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,079 Or you've heard of somebody who's experienced something unexplained? 299 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 3: So would you. 300 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: Go into the dark? Would you explore these cell blocks? 301 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:28,519 So we stopped in the central hall. The MF meter 302 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:35,279 spiked again, not once, but three times in succession. I 303 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,359 had asked the question earlier when we reached the barber cell. 304 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: Does the barber give good haircuts? 305 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,079 Speaker 1: I had asked another question, also, is the food any 306 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,960 good here? And what is your favorite song. Now, I 307 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,559 haven't reviewed the audio footage to see if there was 308 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:03,359 any answers in the darkness. I would be interested to 309 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:12,359 see if there was something any noise. Don had mentioned 310 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,480 that she had heard a voice earlier, and I haven't 311 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,599 reviewed that footage as well. Keep in mind I have 312 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:25,039 over five hours of footage to go through, including night 313 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:33,400 vision footage from my night vision camera. Our minds can 314 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,119 only understand what it can understand. Now, that sounds pretty basic, 315 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,960 but it's elementary. Our minds search for meaning, searching out 316 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:51,279 patterns even when there are none. But every shadow, every spike, 317 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:58,440 every sound had to have meant something. This place is 318 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:06,720 investigated almost nightly. Groups rent the location out to perform 319 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:11,720 their own investigation. There is a lock down that happens 320 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:13,559 overnight at times. 321 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: Where amateur paranormal. 322 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:22,279 Speaker 1: Investigators and experienced paranormal investigators can go and stay in 323 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:27,759 this haunted location overnight. When you enter this place, the 324 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:33,799 air feels tighter, but as you leave and go back outside, 325 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,759 the presence of the penitentiary at lingers almost like it 326 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,720 sticks to you. You carry it with you. And now 327 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:48,359 I ask you, listeners, viewers, when you hear about a 328 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,680 place like this. When you hear about the unseene and 329 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:57,440 the unexplainable, do you believe it's in your mind or 330 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:01,799 something else. I want you to think about this. If 331 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,079 you were standing in one of those cells alone in 332 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:14,079 the dark, would you dare speak? Would you listen? Each 333 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:19,119 shadow on camera, every whisper? Everything you thought you knew 334 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:25,359 about this world has changed. Once you see evidence of 335 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,440 the paranormal, you can't simply dismiss it, and you know 336 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:37,599 to trust yourself. Most of us, our brains don't conjure 337 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,880 or fabricate these things that we see and don and 338 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,680 I discussed this afterwards, not to sensationalize, but to understand 339 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,839 what we experienced. 340 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: We were tired. 341 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,359 Speaker 1: There was a lot of walking and standing on hard concrete, 342 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,000 squeezing through the narrow corridors and into the even narrower set. 343 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,920 The penitentiary is not just a building, but I believe 344 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,440 it's a vessel, a witness, and maybe a record of 345 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:16,319 human suffering. When you leave somewhere like that, you carry 346 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,960 it in your mind, your body, even your spirit. So 347 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,759 I ask you again, when you walk through the world 348 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,720 in silence, do you really know if something is listening 349 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,720 and watching and waiting are we busy with just normal, 350 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:37,799 everyday lives, paying bills, finding love, caring for each other, 351 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:43,279 picking up groceries, getting the car work done. With all 352 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:50,960 of these distractions of basic survival, do we really focus 353 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:57,680 on the paranormal and the unexplained around us? Because sometimes 354 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,400 the silence is not just about the absence of sound, 355 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:08,039 it's the presence of something else. So before we end 356 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:12,440 tonight's segment Part one here, I wanted to update everybody 357 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,319 on some activities that are coming up. So this weekend Saturday, 358 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,279 I will be signing copies of my book, The Unholy 359 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,480 Silence at the Treasure Valley Book Fair at the Nampa, 360 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,400 Idaho Library. So come on out, say hello, get an 361 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,599 autograph copy of my book, and stay for a bit, 362 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:39,400 have a chat, ask some questions. I'll answer some questions. Also, 363 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:45,839 Friday nights, The Unholy podcast will be airing. So I 364 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:52,880 want to reflect and I want to share my thoughts 365 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,039 and feelings about this investigation, at least this part, and 366 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,960 there is more coming in the coming weeks. It will 367 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,759 take me a bit of time, but I will go 368 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,960 through the evidence with a fine tith come and maybe 369 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,119 I'll find something, and maybe I won't we never know. 370 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,920 Part of being a paranormal investigator isn't always just finding 371 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,319 that spirit or that voice in the darkness. Sometimes you 372 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:32,279 find absolutely nothing at all, stale, neutral areas when you investigate. 373 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: But I do want to share. 374 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,839 Speaker 1: Some of my thoughts and feelings, at least about this 375 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:46,799 investigation and the nature of paranormal investigating. So as we 376 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,480 go through this, I would like you to reflect on 377 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:59,480 your own paranormal experiences, what you've seen, and maybe you're 378 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:04,599 currently fighting a silent battle that nobody knows about. Maybe 379 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,679 nobody knows that you're under attack by an entity or 380 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,239 a spirit. Perhaps you're fighting every day to hold on 381 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,440 to your sanity. I went through this experience myself, and 382 00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,159 I hid it because of shame. As I've said before, 383 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,719 there's a certain shame about being haunted, being different than 384 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,760 the rest of the people. At best, people will think 385 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,199 you're crazy. At worst, you're damned. So we hide it. 386 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Most of us do. We conceal it, and we keep 387 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360 it to ourselves, and we fight a lonely struggle and 388 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,280 a lonely battle. And that's why I became a paranormal 389 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,880 investigator and an author. My book just isn't about me 390 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,599 telling the tale of the harrowing haunting I went through. 391 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:07,320 It's about reaching others who may be experiencing what I experienced, 392 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,119 people who might need help. 393 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: It's available, It's out there. 394 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: The paranormal community is a huge family, a very welcoming family. 395 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,360 We're all after the same thing, answers about the unknown, 396 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:31,159 exploring the unknown, and understanding our environment. So I want 397 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,000 to go ahead and share some of my thoughts about 398 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:39,519 this particular investigation. So what stays with me the most 399 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,480 isn't just what we experienced. It's what we didn't see. 400 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,119 And that may sound strange, but sometimes the most powerful 401 00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:57,639 part of an investigation is the absence of something concrete. 402 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,880 That sounds strange, right, because when you walk through a 403 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,599 place like the Idaho State Penitentiary, you're not just walking 404 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:20,679 through buildings. You're walking through layers of human emotion, fear, anger, regret, desperation, hope, 405 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,239 all of it embedded in stone and steel. And I 406 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,519 found myself thinking, long after we left, how many voices 407 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:38,320 were never heard, how many men sat in those cells 408 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:45,039 staring at the walls, wondering if anyone knew their story, 409 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,480 or if anyone would ever know their story, whether they 410 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:58,559 were guilty or innocent, whether they were violent or broken 411 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:05,599 they were, there's still human beings confined, isolated, and cut 412 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:06,599 off from the world. 413 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 3: Now. 414 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't advocate crime, and I certainly believe in just punishment. However, 415 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:19,639 the brutal conditions and the old Idaho State pen were 416 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,000 barely humane. In fact, I would go so far as 417 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,559 to say that they were inhumane, which is why they 418 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:33,599 retired the place and made it a museum. Isolation does 419 00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:39,639 something to a person. We talk about hauntings, we talk 420 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,559 about spirits lingering, But what if some of that energy 421 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,400 isn't about death at all. What if it's about memory. 422 00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:07,599 What if places like this record imprint emotions in some way, 423 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:15,519 moments of extreme fear, despair, anger, recorded somehow in ways 424 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:23,280 we don't fully understand. And when investigators walk in, maybe 425 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:32,280 we're not encountering spirits. Maybe we're encountering echoes, echoes of arguments, 426 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,280 echoes of footsteps pacing in a cell, echoes of someone 427 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,760 calling out and never receiving an answer. And I'll be honest, 428 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:52,679 just the thought, just that thought, is just as unsettling, 429 00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:03,039 because an echo means that something happened, something real, something emotional, 430 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:09,480 enough to leave a mark, And as I walked those corridors, 431 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:16,320 I kept thinking about the passage of time. Decades have passed, 432 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,239 generations have come, and generations have gone, Yet the penitentiary 433 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:34,559 still stands silent, watching how many investigators have walked those halls, 434 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,599 and how many people have stood exactly where I stood, 435 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:48,719 asking the same questions, is anyone here? Can you hear 436 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:57,440 me commanding them to show themselves? And maybe, just maybe 437 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,159 those questions have been asked so so many times that 438 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,199 the building itself is aware. 439 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 3: Is that possible? 440 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,639 Speaker 1: I know it sounds strange, but when you spend enough 441 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,480 time in these locations, you start to realize they don't 442 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:26,159 feel empty. They feel observant, like something is listening. Not 443 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:36,719 necessarily malicious, just aware, not necessarily benevolent, because as human beings, 444 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,519 we're wired to detect when we're being watched. That's just 445 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:48,840 human nature. Even when you can't see anything, your body reacts, 446 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,159 your instincts kick in. You feel it in the back 447 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,480 of your neck, that settle sensation. 448 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 3: That you're not alone. 449 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: And I felt that more than once inside those walls. 450 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:17,079 Not fear, well, not exactly fear, but awareness, an uneasy feeling, 451 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:26,960 and there's a difference. Fear is sudden, awareness is constant. 452 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:37,199 Fear spikes, awareness lingers, and that lingering feeling followed me 453 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:44,039 long after the investigation ended, even later that night, reviewing footage, 454 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,639 sitting quietly discussing it with Dawn, I kept replaying the 455 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:57,119 sounds in my mind, the footsteps, the faint movement, the 456 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:02,960 emf spikes, the questions we asked that got a response, 457 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,760 and of course the chunckle that came from behind me 458 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,000 trying to rationalize them, trying to explain them in my 459 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:19,559 own mind. But sometimes you reach a point where the 460 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:28,440 explanation isn't the goal anymore. Understanding becomes more important than explanation. 461 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:33,679 Understanding that some places carry weight, Like when you buy 462 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,199 a car, sometimes you feel that that car has a personality. 463 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,639 And I think most of us have felt that, most 464 00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,039 of us who drive a car, who've owned a car, 465 00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,280 we all have that special one car. We give it 466 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,920 a name, we call it the name. When it doesn't start, 467 00:42:52,360 --> 00:43:03,719 it has presence. So understanding that history leaves impressions. Understanding 468 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,920 that silence isn't always empty, and that's something I think 469 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:16,199 people underestimate. Silence can be loud in a prison, Silence 470 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:25,360 is different. It's not peaceful, It's tense because silence in 471 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,440 prison means confinement, it means isolation. It means people are 472 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,480 sitting alone with their thoughts, and thoughts, as we know, 473 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,760 can be powerful. Now, I want you to imagine sitting 474 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:50,039 in a small stone cell, no distractions, no comfort, no Internet, 475 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:57,079 no Facebook, no Instagram, no TikTok, just your own mind 476 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:06,880 and time, hours turning into days, turning into years. What 477 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,679 kind of energy does that create? What kind of emotion 478 00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:19,440 imprint does that leave behind? These are the questions that 479 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:24,039 stay with me as I investigate the paranormal. And paranormal 480 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,360 not meaning just ghosts, just spirits, just things that rise 481 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,360 from the graveyard. Paranormal investigation isn't just about capturing evidence. 482 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:42,800 It's about understanding your environment. To truly investigate the paranormal, 483 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:47,639 you need to understand history, you need to understand at 484 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,599 least a little bit of science, and you've got to 485 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,039 have a lot of faith, not necessarily in religion, but 486 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:03,400 faith that the unknown eventually will become known. That's why 487 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,079 we do this, That's why we are paranormal investigators, so 488 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:14,239 that we can help each other understand the unknown to 489 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,360 journey as explorers have in eons past, they have ventured 490 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,440 into the unknown. 491 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 3: That's what we do. 492 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:32,039 Speaker 1: Paranormal investigators go headfirst into the darkness, into the unknown. 493 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:41,119 We explore to learn about our environment, to learn about 494 00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:46,280 these things that we call entities, that we call ghosts, 495 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:53,440 that we call spirits. We name them cryptids, we call 496 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:59,440 them monsters, whatever name you wish to give them. The unknown, 497 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,760 the unnatural, and the unexplored. 498 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,679 Speaker 3: That is our. 499 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: Mandate understanding the human experience, and a place like the 500 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:22,480 penitentiary represent all of that. They represent consequences, they represent isolation, 501 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:32,920 they represent finality, and sometimes they represent unfinished stories, stories 502 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:41,519 that never had closure, stories that ended abruptly, sadly, tragically, 503 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,840 stories that faded into silence. And maybe, just maybe that's 504 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,199 why these places feel like they do, not because something 505 00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,360 is actively haunting them, but because something never truly left, 506 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:10,000 not physically, not emotionally. And when you step into that environment, 507 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:17,320 you become part of it. You assign yourself to a 508 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,599 chapter in history, because this moment will never come again. 509 00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,760 You walk where others walked, you stand where others stood, 510 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,880 You experience, even for a brief moment, the weight that 511 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,920 they carried. And I think That's why investigations. 512 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 3: Like this matter. 513 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: Not just for evidence, but for perspective, your view. They 514 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,599 remind us how fragile human life is. They remind us 515 00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:04,039 that nothing is this life is temporary. Nobody knows how 516 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:12,599 much time they have, how powerful emotions can be. Think 517 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,320 about that and how places can hold on to it 518 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,159 long after we're gone. So when I think back on 519 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,360 this investigation, I don't just think about what we heard 520 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:30,400 or what we saw. I think about this silence. The 521 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,960 kind of silence that makes you listen harder, the kind 522 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,519 of silence that makes you aware of your surroundings, the 523 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,440 kind of silence that makes you wonder if something is 524 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:49,159 listening back. And that's the part. 525 00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 3: That stays with you. 526 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: In my experience, the silence. 527 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 3: Can be the most terrifying thing. 528 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,639 Speaker 1: So, as I always say, dear listeners and fellow viewers, 529 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:12,760 until next time, stay safe, be aware, and beware, because 530 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,960 sometimes the silence is the most terrifying thing. 531 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 2: You've just heard. Another chilling chapter of The Unholy Podcast 532 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,119 hosted by Doug Owen, author, investigator and witness to the 533 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,920 Things most fear to name. For more real stories, cursed 534 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,400 objects and exclusive content, step deeper into the dark at 535 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,920 authordugowen dot com, subscribe, share, and remember some silences aren't empty. 536 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 3: They're waiting.