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<v Speaker 1>Last week, we covered part one of the honor killings

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<v Speaker 1>and dove into the Sayeed family. Now today we are

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<v Speaker 1>moving on to the crime that would ultimately be committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to check out part one before listening to

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, the following podcast material intended for a matural audience listener.

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<v Speaker 3>Discretion's nazzy.

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<v Speaker 1>That was smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>That was actually pretty smooth. I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like quick, sharp, concise, and it was good

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<v Speaker 1>to the point. To the point, yeah exactly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>point is ah delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Grab yourself a beby, Yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting into the crime of the Sayed family today.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, or the crime that was committed by the

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<v Speaker 1>Sayed family. A Sayed family member, two Sayed family members,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're in for it today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we are. Do you remember last episode much at all?

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely remember bits and pieces. Yeah, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's good, that's good. I mean I'll do a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a recap, so don't worry if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember everything. I got the elevator pitch synopsis for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But make sure you do check a part one for

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<v Speaker 1>all that family history and all the background on who

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is and the build up to what eventually happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to this today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah kidding. Honestly, when I was finishing up the writing

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<v Speaker 1>for this, I was just like, ugh, I was I

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<v Speaker 1>even think. I told you, like, I'm having trouble writing

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<v Speaker 1>this one because I I'm just not in this case

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<v Speaker 1>and it's because it's like there's I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to describe it. I couldn't get in

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<v Speaker 1>the mood or the mode for this case and the

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<v Speaker 1>writing because it's just it's bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you just didn't want to do it. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to avoid this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not like I'm sitting here I want to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, but I mean avoiding the like the case,

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<v Speaker 2>the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's not necessarily the case and the situation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the aftermath. And you know how there's always that like

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<v Speaker 1>the person who commits a crime and they're like I'm innocent,

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<v Speaker 1>that portion that comes along with this case. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up. So

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<v Speaker 1>which we will, of course, get into I digress. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already divulging a little bit too much. So before I

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<v Speaker 1>keep blabbing my mouth, we got some patrons to thank,

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<v Speaker 1>We sure do. First and foremost, I want to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>to Molly, who on Tuesday I said Holly for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was because I was like scrolling through

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<v Speaker 1>the list. I was a little bit flustered when trying

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<v Speaker 1>frazzled when saying people's names, and I called you Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>So my apologies to Molly. That's totally on me. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have patrons to thank this week, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have Amanda mcleoud, Caitlin and Sailor antl Sharon Kaylor and

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<v Speaker 1>keika El who all joined us this week over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>They're getting all that good good behind the scenes and

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<v Speaker 1>extra content.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we got a lot of posts on there.

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<v Speaker 1>We do, although we've been a little bit quiet this

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<v Speaker 1>month so far.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just recovering from Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>We are and thirty one straight days of talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like some good movies for Halloween. So there are some

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<v Speaker 1>more posts coming on Patriot. I were just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>still catching our breaths. So you ready for the song?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think we should do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, before we get talking too much, let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>the actual case. So last episode was part one of

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<v Speaker 1>the honor killings, and we covered a lot regarding the

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<v Speaker 1>family's history. As I already mentioned, we talked about yes

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<v Speaker 1>see her Sayid, but more importantly, his wife Tizzy, and

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<v Speaker 1>their two daughters, Amina and Sarah. So by now in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, Amina Sa'id was eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old and Sarah said was seventeen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>They endured a life of growing up under their father's

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<v Speaker 1>strict control and by some reports, even experienced sexual assault

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<v Speaker 1>by his hand. But whatever the case, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>life that they wanted to be free from, and at

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<v Speaker 1>their age, you know, in their later teenage years, it

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<v Speaker 1>was becoming imminent that they would leave and live their

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<v Speaker 1>own lives as individuals. In fact, they're already starting to

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<v Speaker 1>do that in this at this age, right, And yesr

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<v Speaker 1>was like losing some of that control a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean they're still like they still could

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<v Speaker 2>be at home for a bit, but a parent should

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<v Speaker 2>accept that they need to like, you know, fly Like

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<v Speaker 2>what is that saying a bird flying room its nest?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, fly, fly from the nest, leave the roost.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you're saying, right, they're getting close to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, flew the coop, I think is how you say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Flew the coop.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I know what you're trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Our colloquialisms are not on point today, clearly, although I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really impressed that I A knew the word colloquialism and

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<v Speaker 1>second pronounced it correctly. Yeah, good work, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>He redeemed us.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, I really did. But yeah. So, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>live under their father's roof with this strict mindset, they

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<v Speaker 1>were hoping to move off and do their own thing

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<v Speaker 1>very soon. And it was on January first in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight that you see her convinced his two

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<v Speaker 1>daughters to join him for dinner one evening. It was

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<v Speaker 1>his treat. You know. They had just recently tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do a little runaway extravaganza sort of thing. They had

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<v Speaker 1>left the house with their mother, but their mother convinced

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<v Speaker 1>them to come back under the guise of you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you see her is like, he's sorry, he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to make amends, and he wants to be better he's

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<v Speaker 1>he forgives us and like it's it's all good. He

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<v Speaker 1>forgives us for running.

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<v Speaker 2>Away basically, right, but he was like harassing them pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, during that, During that, yeah, he was like calling, calling, calling, texting, texting, texting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's even getting other people to do the same

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<v Speaker 1>to like like where you were you come home? Come

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<v Speaker 1>home of just prodding constantly. So this was only days

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and Amina and Sarah had returned home with

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<v Speaker 1>their mother and they're going out on this dinner date.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was an evening date where you see her

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<v Speaker 1>and his two daughters were to be alone. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>was them for to spend some time together, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a peaceful outing, to try and reconnect, a true

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<v Speaker 1>family moment to bring them together. Right. Initially, their mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Tizzy was like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>with you. It'll be a great off four of us.

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<v Speaker 1>But you see her convinced her like, no, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just me and the daughters tonight sort of thing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like, yeah, okay, for sure, So she stayed behind.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't join and she didn't join in with them.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought it was a great idea, you know for

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<v Speaker 1>them to go out and reconcile. So it was easy

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<v Speaker 1>to convince her, and she fully believed that yes, Sir

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<v Speaker 1>had good intentions and was being genuine with their children. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we learned a lot from what kind of person you

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<v Speaker 1>see he was in part one. He was manipulative, he

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<v Speaker 1>was controlling, and scariest of all, when angry, he went

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<v Speaker 1>to great lengths to hurt those who he had wronged.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about one individual he worked with before, where

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<v Speaker 1>he waited outside work and then when he came out,

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<v Speaker 1>he ran him over, not once, but multiple times until

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<v Speaker 1>he died.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a feeling he's not really the most

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<v Speaker 2>forgiving of people.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not really No. So the girls trusted in their

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<v Speaker 1>father and they joined him for that evening together. They

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<v Speaker 1>all got onto his taxi cab because he frequently drove

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<v Speaker 1>a taxi for work, right, So he got into his

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<v Speaker 1>taxi cab and he began driving them to their dinner date.

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<v Speaker 1>The destination, though, was in a restaurant. There would be

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<v Speaker 1>no dinner. You see, had plans that he didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about and other intentions. Now how it unfolded in this

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle isn't exactly clear, but you see her began driving

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<v Speaker 1>and took his girls to a secluded area near Omni

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<v Speaker 1>Mandalay Hotel in Irving, Texas. The location was near an

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<v Speaker 1>intersection of Riverside Drive and State Highway fourteen. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>area was primarily surrounded by commercial buildings and properties, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something you'd expect when I say it's secluded,

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<v Speaker 1>But due to it being New Year's Day, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people around. Most people are at home

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and that's exactly what it was at the time. Secluded.

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<v Speaker 1>It was here with the surrounding cities and the stillness

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<v Speaker 1>that you see, was confident that no one would interrupt

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<v Speaker 1>or witness his actions. With one daughter in the passenger

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<v Speaker 1>seat next to him and one in the back seat

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, you see her put his taxi in park,

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out a gun and turned it on his own

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<v Speaker 1>two Daughtersly, shit, yeah, wow, yeah, to say the least,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. Clearly he was just like lying to

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<v Speaker 2>his teeth to his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's one would yeah, bringing them home saying oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and then being like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go out for dinner. Let's reconcile. It's all lies

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<v Speaker 1>through and through complete manipulation, with which what we see

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<v Speaker 1>often from psychopaths.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, well, I mean and even the oldest daughter

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you saying like she didn't want to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>No she didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to really convince her, they really did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it was around seven thirty three pm this night

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<v Speaker 1>that the nine to one to one dispatch received a

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<v Speaker 1>call from Sarah. Now, Sarah, despite suffering from several injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to place a call on her telephone. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an abridged version of that nine one one call,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do have the audio from it. No, so

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<v Speaker 1>it cuts out a lot of the talk between first responders,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you hear will be Sarah and everything she

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<v Speaker 1>says and between the call being placed and someone arriving

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene. So there, it's a condensed version down

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<v Speaker 1>to like a minute long. But yeah, you'll you get

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<v Speaker 1>everything that.

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<v Speaker 2>You need from boy. Okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the nine one one call.

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<v Speaker 4>What's going on? Man dying?

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<v Speaker 3>Curving fire above them?

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<v Speaker 4>Still there are still there. I'll get it. She tell

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<v Speaker 4>me she's dying. I'm getting there, ma'am, ma'am. What is

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<v Speaker 4>your address, dam the jab in our Chad says, there's

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<v Speaker 4>there's a driver, but there are two people had one

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<v Speaker 4>in the past in received and one in the rear vehicle.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the people on the in those house in

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<v Speaker 4>her see looks like she funched over and blood coming

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<v Speaker 4>from her ear. They're alive.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I understand that we've got our officers in

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<v Speaker 1>the route. Sarah's voice during the call is clearly in

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<v Speaker 1>time she's speaking very quickly. However, despite the situation she

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<v Speaker 1>she very clearly states in that audio, help my dad

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, wow, Like what the hell? Because and he

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's something that's really interesting about this case is

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<v Speaker 1>how he abandoned the scene afterwards. Cause, yeah, as you heard,

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<v Speaker 1>She died on that phone call with oh my goshh yep,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit. Yeah. I can't imagine being that dispatcher having to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear that well no, and then later finding out too that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that she did die. Because I know dispatchers.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched like things where they I mean, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>but there's lots that they'll you know, go and seek

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<v Speaker 2>to find out. And I'm sure that's one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just would have been like gut wrench wrenching.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this one, I don't think that they would have

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>So when authorities managed to track down and arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, they, as you heard and as we already

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, both the girls were found to cease, with

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<v Speaker 1>Yeseer nowhere near the vehicle or to be found as

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation unfolded, they determined that he had actually fled

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<v Speaker 1>the scene on foot and most likely through a wooded

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<v Speaker 1>area nearby the Cerchiari, in hopes he hadn't gotten too far,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately they were unable to locate him. Meanwhile, inside

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<v Speaker 1>the car, both Amina and Sarah were found with multiple

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<v Speaker 1>gunshot wounds, and the injuries revealed the extent of the

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<v Speaker 1>violence that was taken out on them. They had been

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<v Speaker 1>that they did not survive. In total, Sarah had been

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<v Speaker 1>shot nine times, with bruins primarily around her abdomen, yet

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<v Speaker 1>she still managed to call.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine to one one, whow Hey, also like nine times

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<v Speaker 2>nine times? What the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>This father's a piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And there's there's something that I don't know something

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<v Speaker 1>about that that really strikes me odd because he's shooting

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<v Speaker 1>her close range, like we're talking in a car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what's the point of nine times.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the in the abdomen for me? I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a statement. I think that might be something towards infidelity, pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>bearing children, towards you know, her reproductive system, her uterus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's purely speculation on my part. But when you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>she was shot primarily in the abdomen, he's pointing at

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<v Speaker 1>the abdomen and he pulls the trigger nine times. Why

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason that doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Make any sense. Was he thinking that they, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get into this that they weren't actually going to die,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like, also, you would kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>shoot like in the head, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, there's nothing that I know of in regards

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<v Speaker 1>to that question that I could answer.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of them was shot nine times, and

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<v Speaker 1>Amina was shot twice, which included one in the chest.

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<v Speaker 1>And later on it was found that her chest cavity

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<v Speaker 1>was actually filled with fifteen hundred milliliters of blood, which

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<v Speaker 1>for reference, is just under the volume of four and

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter cans of pop. So, again, while I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure, I'm a medical expert, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>purely speculation on my part. With that amount of blood,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like she may have been shot in the

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking these are two very targeted spots. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is purely speculation. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the nine times doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, one being shot twice and the other being shot

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<v Speaker 1>nine times. I believe, if I'm going to guess, Amina

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<v Speaker 1>was probably shot form and I know she died immediately

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<v Speaker 1>from her injuries. It's slumped. And then he turned probably

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<v Speaker 1>to the back seat where Sarah was, and began firing

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Maybe she's trying to escape, but being a cab,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can actually have those doors like locked

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah is the younger one, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>She's seventeen, yes, okay, And so maybe it's through the

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<v Speaker 1>struggle that he got her in the abdomen. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>not through aiming exactly. I'm not sure. That's again purely

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<v Speaker 1>speculation on my part. All we know is that Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>was shot nine times in the abdomen area and Amina

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<v Speaker 1>was shot twice, once in the chest.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so disturbing, so disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, it's a brutal death for sure, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you consider that it was dealt by family too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, your family is one thing, but your freaking dad, like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? But at least authorities, though, we're not left scratching

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<v Speaker 1>their head. I mean they're like, okay, we know who

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<v Speaker 1>the perpetrator is right. We literally have the victim on

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<v Speaker 1>audio naming who pulled the fucking trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and the mom knew, you know, what they

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<v Speaker 2>were out doing and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So now a warrant of course, was immediately out

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<v Speaker 1>for a rest on this sear and the man hunt

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<v Speaker 1>for him was officially on. However, it would not be

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<v Speaker 1>a quick and easy man hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>I should just correct myself and say the mom didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know like this was going to happen, but knew that

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<v Speaker 2>they were out on the date in the together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, yeah, no, I knew what you meant. Okay, yep. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>so instead the hunt for your seer would become one

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<v Speaker 1>of the longest and most complex in recent US history.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was not quick, was not overfast. It took

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to find him.

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<v Speaker 2>So we went in hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he immediately went and dieting immediately, which may show

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<v Speaker 1>that he had actually planted out ahead of time. May

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<v Speaker 1>show premeditation because he may have picked this area at

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<v Speaker 1>a park. He may have had someone come pick him

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<v Speaker 1>up at a spot. He may had things ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go in hiding right away. Who knows, It's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 1>He may have had a lot of cash on hand

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<v Speaker 1>ready to not have you know, the paper trails.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have had a duffel bag in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of his freaking trunk, for god sake, you can't have So.

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<v Speaker 1>While it's not proof of premeditation, it does suggest it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities initially thought that he might still be in Dallas,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Fort Worth area, and had appealed to the

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<v Speaker 1>public for any sort of information. However, as days turned

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<v Speaker 1>to years, it's exact whereabouts remained a mystery. Your jaw

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<v Speaker 1>dropped the years years. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. Oh yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned, this is one of the longest man

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<v Speaker 1>hunts in recent US history. Wow, okay, so yeah, its

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<v Speaker 1>exact whereabouts complete mystery. Investigators began to believe that you

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<v Speaker 1>see her hadn't actually stuck around in the area, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead they thought he may have fled the country, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>heading back to Egypt, where he was from and had

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<v Speaker 1>family members, And if that was the case, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>good chance that they may they may never be able

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<v Speaker 1>to track him down. Despite this, though, they never gave up,

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<v Speaker 1>They never let go of hope. They held out for it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're hoping that you know what, maybe we're just wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day he will resurface. Maybe he is around

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<v Speaker 1>here and maybe we can find him. So on December

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<v Speaker 1>fourth of twenty fourteen, six years after the murders took

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<v Speaker 1>place with no solid leads, the FBI added yese He

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<v Speaker 1>to their ten most wanted list. Okay, the FBI's top

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<v Speaker 1>ten most wanted list. He was on that fucking list.

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<v Speaker 2>Ding dang.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They were hoping that the national attention would actually

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<v Speaker 1>bring in some useful tips, really garner some awareness for

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<v Speaker 1>the case now alongside this, though, alongside being on that list,

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<v Speaker 1>they also offered a one hundred thousand dollars reward for

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<v Speaker 1>any information leading to his arrest, which thankfully, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this did bring in the spotlight to the case, not

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<v Speaker 1>only across the US but like around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but also just thinking back to like what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of person he is, It doesn't make sense that

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<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't get in trouble in those six years, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that. I feel like something would happen potentially, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not. Yeah, I mean it's hard to say he's

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<v Speaker 2>really laying low.

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<v Speaker 1>He's laying low. Yeah, huh. If you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be caught and you're stuck on your guns, on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey, you can commit, you really.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess, But he seemed like he had such a temper

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems odd to me that he wouldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>himself in trouble again in that amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing. You're thinking of himself. You're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of him as one and alone. I'll touch on it here, Okay, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, the attention was drawn to this case globally,

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<v Speaker 1>which is good because the idea of that he had

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<v Speaker 1>fled the country was still looming over the investigators. So

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<v Speaker 1>to cover all bases, the FBI worked with Inner Pole

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<v Speaker 1>as well and issued a red notice, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>request for law enforcement worldwide to locate and arrest a

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<v Speaker 1>person basically now. Reports soon came in from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place, including places like Egypt and even Canada, but unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>none of the leads had any concrete findings and it

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<v Speaker 1>just left authorities with dead end after dead end. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they did have a hunch, though, they grew increasingly suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>that Yeseer's family members were actively helping him stay hidden.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I mean, you're thinking of him as

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<v Speaker 1>a single right if he's doing it on his own, Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>he may have a temper and may out himself, but

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<v Speaker 1>if he's got other people hiding him too, it's much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to see.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes it way easier for sure, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Long as you have people who are reliable who will

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<v Speaker 1>help you stay hidden and not you know, leak shit. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they're looking at you see his family members. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>his son Islam and his brother yes Sin were frequently

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in several FBI reports regarding this case, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were apparently known to stay in contact with him during

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<v Speaker 1>this time. And we're likely providing him with shelter and

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<v Speaker 1>other means of support. But that's later on for even

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<v Speaker 1>the brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, of the two of like he murdered he his sisters, yeah, man.

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<v Speaker 1>But regarding that, for example, a major lead came in

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<v Speaker 1>the search for your Seer in August twenty seventeen August fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>when a maintenance worker and an apartment complex in Bedford, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>reported seeing a man who looked a lot like you

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<v Speaker 1>see her, and he saw him inside an apartment that

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00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:31.960
<v Speaker 1>was rented by your Seer's son, Islam. So when detective

423
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.119
<v Speaker 1>showed up to talk to the worker, right, they gave

424
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<v Speaker 1>him a photo of you see her? And said this

425
00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:39.880
<v Speaker 1>is what he looks like, are you sure this is

426
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 1>the guy? And he confirmed, He's like, yeah, that's the

427
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.599
<v Speaker 1>dude I saw. Like, that's the guy in this apartment complex,

428
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>in this apartment number. He's like, it's being rented by

429
00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>his fucking son.

430
00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:51.559
<v Speaker 2>He's in there, so it makes sense.

431
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So later that evening, at around six thirty PM,

432
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:58.640
<v Speaker 1>an FBI agent arrived at Islam's apartment to question him. Now,

433
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<v Speaker 1>Islam seemed visibly upset and fidgety and reportedly refused to

434
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.119
<v Speaker 1>cooperate with the agent whatsoever.

435
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Now.

436
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.279
<v Speaker 1>During the visit, Islam made a phone call as well,

437
00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and was overheard saying, quote, we have a problem.

438
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a bit of a problem here.

439
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, hours later, at one am, law enforcement returned,

440
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.160
<v Speaker 1>but this time instead of just knocking the door and

441
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.440
<v Speaker 1>talking with a search warrant. But then by then the

442
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>apartment was empty.

443
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah that's what I was thinking.

444
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Officers noticed that the sliding glass door on the

445
00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.880
<v Speaker 1>patio was open, and below the balcony they saw broken

446
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.440
<v Speaker 1>branches on a shrub, as if someone had recently jumped down.

447
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Was that the same day?

448
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Sorry?

449
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Same day?

450
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Huh? So they moved real quick yep.

451
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Next to the flattened shrub, they discovered a pair of eyeglasses,

452
00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.279
<v Speaker 1>which they collected as potential evidence, and inside the apartment,

453
00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>investigators gathered additional items, including several cigarette but butts and

454
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>a toothbrush. These items were sent to the FBI lab

455
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.759
<v Speaker 1>in Virginia where analysis tests for DNA was done on

456
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 1>them and compared to the DNA profiles of Amina and Sarah.

457
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>The results suggested that the DNA on these likely are

458
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>most likely belong to UCR, confirming that he'd been hiding

459
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.640
<v Speaker 1>out in this apartment and most likely was probably running

460
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.519
<v Speaker 1>out the window just as police were busting down the door.

461
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Man. That is such a piss off in so many ways.

462
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh is it ever the fact that they were that close,

463
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like super pissed that that the

464
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 2>brother was is helping with this. I don't know why,

465
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.759
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, his dad is manipulated.

466
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I can't even say manipulative. Yeah, well, I think this

467
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 1>comes to the kind of what we talked about before

468
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:49.400
<v Speaker 1>with like stereotypical gender roles in that like older mindset

469
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of like, hey, men have responsibilities and women have certain

470
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 1>responsibilities and men are you know that classic men are

471
00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.079
<v Speaker 1>better than Women's sort of bullshit, right, And I think

472
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>that's where it's gonna to come, is that Islam is

473
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>now being tainted with his father's points of view, and

474
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>so he sees his sisters, as you know, doing all

475
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the wrong things that his father does, and he probably

476
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>agrees with his father saying yeah, you know what they

477
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>were wrong, You're right, mm, which is fucking bullshit.

478
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know I'm not necessarily blaming the brother.

479
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess, oh, I am.

480
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm trying not to because, like I don't know

481
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.039
<v Speaker 2>exactly what his dad is saying to him and everything,

482
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>but it just does seem really wrong to me.

483
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what's being said to you. I mean,

484
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:40.799
<v Speaker 1>if you're being like forced against your will, that's one thing.

485
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>He's not being forced against his will.

486
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

487
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what you're being told. I don't care

488
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.680
<v Speaker 1>how manipulative you're. This person is over you. I don't

489
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>care your history or your mental illness whatever. You are

490
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.400
<v Speaker 1>responsible for your actions.

491
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>That's six years where he could have changed or made

492
00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a different decision.

493
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Yes, a long time now. Don't get me wrong. If

494
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you do have mental illnesses or you are being manipulated

495
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I understand that sucks. He's still siding with

496
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 1>a fucking murderer.

497
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 4>You know what.

498
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 1>You don't murder someone and say hey, you know what,

499
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>You're right? Yeah, you just don't.

500
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just seems like a tough pill

501
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.839
<v Speaker 2>to swallow, to be honest, it is that part to me.

502
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 1>It is now. Over the years, occasional tips did pop

503
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>up for investigators suggesting that you See Her was actually

504
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 1>still in a Dallas Fort Worth area, but somehow he

505
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>always managed to slip away right before authorities could get close.

506
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Police conducted regular searches of properties tied to his family,

507
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>hoping to randomly catch him, but he seemed to have

508
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>mastered the art of living under the radar. He avoided

509
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>electronic communications, paid in cash, and moved frequently to stay

510
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 1>ahead of any of the searches. He was like a

511
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 1>ghost that was basically haunting the investigation. There seemed to

512
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>be evidence of him around, yet every time they followed

513
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the evidence, it led nowhere. It was frustrating authorities and

514
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>this kept up for several years. That is until August

515
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty. Law enforcement ramped up their efforts to

516
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>locate you see your sayeed by placing a sorry, by

517
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>surveilling a home in justin Texas. Okay, I see how

518
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I wrote that, placing a home in Justin Texas under

519
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours surveillance.

520
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

521
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>So they're watching this home that is Yeah, it's owned

522
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>by the family, or at least being rented by the family.

523
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I just have to say, I love their efforts. They're

524
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 2>not giving up no, which is just awesome.

525
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>They're fully committed. So it was for about a week

526
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>that agents monitored this property where they observed you see

527
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>your son, Islam and his brother you've seen frequently coming

528
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and going. And at one point, agents noticed the shadow

529
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>of a third person moving inside the house after Islam

530
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and you've seen both had left the property. Oh yeah,

531
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>this strongly hinted that you see her himself was hiding inside.

532
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So after this week of close observation, the FBI obtained

533
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a search warrant and moved into the property. So this

534
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 1>is they haven't knocked or anything. They just watched, got

535
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the warrant first.

536
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And these people don't know they're being washed, correct.

537
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this time on August twenty six, twenty twenty

538
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>y see, her did not get away. He was arrested,

539
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 1>taken into custody, and charged with the capital murder of

540
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>his daughters, both Amina and Sarah at the Justin residence

541
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:32.559
<v Speaker 1>without any incident.

542
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>And that was like a twelve year earlier that the

543
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>shit happened. Correct, twelve years he got twelve years of

544
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>his life.

545
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, on the same day, in a coordinated effort,

546
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>agents also arrested Islam said then thirty two years old,

547
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and you see said then fifty nine years old at

548
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a nearby location in Ulyss, Texas.

549
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 4>Well.

550
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, both were charged with concealing a person from arrest.

551
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>So over a day decade they were able to hide

552
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>ya Sear. There was evidence as well that other family

553
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>members were in regular contact with Islam, which suggested they

554
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>could have been a much wider network of those trying

555
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to actually hide ya Sear, which is hell. They helped

556
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>hide him for so long. However, there was never any

557
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence to bring them to justice. Now, although you see

558
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 1>her was indicated on capital murder charges, for whatever reason,

559
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors chose not to pursue the death penalty, So following

560
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 1>his capture, he was held in the Dallas County Jail

561
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 1>in the North Tower awaiting his trial. The trial began

562
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in August second, twenty twenty two. Where you see her

563
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 1>speaking through a translator because his English was still good

564
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>was somewhat broken. So regardless, he claimed he was not

565
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 1>present during the murder of his daughters. He is innocent.

566
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 2>That is complete bullshit.

567
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Right through and through.

568
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Malarkey, Who the fuck does this guy think he is?

569
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Apparently he thinks he's an innocent man. That's who he

570
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking thinks he is.

571
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, two things. So he did have twelve years

572
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>to like, you know, come up with a story of sorts. True,

573
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 2>But I have like this burning question that I'm like

574
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 2>needing to ask. Okay, did the mom of the two

575
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>girls like all murdered have anything to do with hiding?

576
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 4>No?

577
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, no she didn't. Good, good, good.

578
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Note shortly after the incident occurred, she officially divorced him,

579
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and yes, she had no idea where he was or nothing.

580
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.119
<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like she probably lost her son too.

581
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Like that is just terrible.

582
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's funny that you actually bring her up

583
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>because she's the topic of the next next thing I

584
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta talk about here. So in court, you seers now

585
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 1>ex wife Patricia Owens, or as we've referred to her

586
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>as Tizzy, testified in court and told the jurors about

587
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you Sear's history of domestic violence. Now, when asked in

588
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the court room, who identify you Seer, she simply pointed

589
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 1>at him and said that devil there. Oh my goodness,

590
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 1>yeah right, fuck yes. She continued to tell the court

591
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 1>how he monitored and controlled the girls every movement by

592
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>searching through their messages or whatever it was. But most incriminatingly,

593
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>he forbade them from dating outside their culture. And I

594
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>say incriminatingly because that plays a key here which I'm

595
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>about to talk about. But before I do talk about that,

596
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I got, I got a couple other things here. Now,

597
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Mina herself was able to provide some insight into what

598
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>her mother was saying with an email when she had

599
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 1>written one to a teacher just days before her murder.

600
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>So apparently these girls were actually confiding in this teacher.

601
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 1>They agreed that they that this teacher is someone they

602
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>can one percent trust. Okay, So when they like were

603
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 1>like fleeing from him, and then like a couple days

604
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>prior and stuff, they were telling this teacher all of it.

605
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So this teacher actually testified in court regarding a lot

606
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of emails and stuff, but in one email she had

607
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 1>written to this teacher, she claimed that her father was

608
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>arranging her marriage against her will. And to quote that

609
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>email that was read in the courtroom, quote, he has

610
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>simply made our lives a nightmare. He's one man, not God.

611
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 1>That's what Amina said about her father.

612
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean that's like putting it nicely.

613
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So when I said the most incriminating thing was

614
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 1>he forbade them from dating outside their culture. Prosecutors and

615
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>family members argue that you see murdered his daughters in

616
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 1>a so called quote honor killing, driven by his belief

617
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that they had brought shame to the family by dating

618
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 1>American boys outside their Islamic faith. You see, he's cultural

619
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 1>beliefs and rigid standards clashed with his daughter's wishes to

620
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>live more freely, creating a very volatile family environment against

621
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>his desire of what he wanted and what he saw.

622
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, and their mom was American, right, correct, But if

623
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 2>you remember he married an American.

624
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>If you remember first episode, he was abusive to Tizzy

625
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 1>as well, and he told me directly he regrets marrying

626
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 1>an American, right, But regardless, his daughters are fucking American.

627
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>They're born in the US of fucking A.

628
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

629
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what country you come from. You can

630
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.759
<v Speaker 1>be full blooded whatever wherever. If you are born in

631
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 1>a country, that's that's what you are. You of course

632
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>have culture and heritage that spreads out farther from that,

633
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 1>but that's I mean, that's that's what you are. That's

634
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 1>your nationality.

635
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they were living there. It only makes sense

636
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>that they would, you know, be and find interest in

637
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 2>someone that's also living where they are living.

638
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. If you can get a passport in a country,

639
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 1>that's your nationality. If you can get passports in multiple countries,

640
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 1>you have multiple Now it's as simple as that. You're

641
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>born in one country, that's just your starting point nationality.

642
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Culture and history, as far as I'm concerned, have nothing

643
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to do with nationalities.

644
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, this is just so interesting.

645
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:14.079
<v Speaker 4>Hey.

646
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now on the stand, you see her did admit

647
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 1>this somewhat, this whole like honor thing, and you know,

648
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the dating thing. I mean to quote him, he said,

649
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 1>quote in my culture, it's something to get upset about.

650
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Acknowledging the anger over his daughter's choices and like, you

651
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>know sort of thing. So, according to him, he was

652
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>thinking his daughter with this whole event. He was taking

653
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>his daughters out for dinner when he realized someone was

654
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>following them in the taxi cab. He said he planned

655
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>only on taking those girls out for dinner, but realized

656
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 1>they were being tailed by this other vehicle and he

657
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure who it was. So he pulled into this

658
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>nearby area by the hotel, parked the car and ran,

659
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, just leaving his daughters behind. He Jess ran, huh, okay, yeah. Now,

660
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I do have a quote from a news source that

661
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 1>quoted him in the courtroom. I'm going to read this quote. However,

662
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I do want to say one thing. This quote goes

663
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>against everything else you see her says. So I'm not

664
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>sure if he is mixing his stories up or if

665
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 1>they got the quote wrong. So regardless, this is the

666
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>only time I've heard this version of what he says.

667
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Everything else he says it a different way. Okay, But

668
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 1>in the court he said quote, I thought, if they

669
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 1>are my daughter's friends, let them solve the problem together.

670
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>If they have issues, I told them, the car is yours.

671
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>You can do whatever you want since they know how

672
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>to drive, I left the car for them.

673
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Aha.

674
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense coming from like one of

675
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:00.079
<v Speaker 2>the most controlling of parents right out there exactly, She

676
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense.

677
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>So he's basically saying, a he knows who these people

678
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>are following behind him, and then he's saying, be okay,

679
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>it's your guys' problem, not mine, go ahead and deal

680
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>with it.

681
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>See you later.

682
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where spoiler I mean, it's not really a spoiler alert,

683
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>but later on and everything he claims after this, everything

684
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.639
<v Speaker 1>I've found on his claims. He's talking about how he

685
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know who the driver is and he ran out

686
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of fear. Oh yes, but we'll get into that, don't

687
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>worry now. In regards to nine one one and the

688
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>call where Sarah named her father as the killer by saying,

689
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, quote help my dad shot me. Yess, defense

690
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 1>team argued that this was false and Sarah was quote

691
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>hallucinating as a result of her traumatic injuries in her

692
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 1>final moments, So they're trying to discredit this dying, fucking

693
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>girl who put every last ounce of her living being

694
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>into identifying who shot her. Yeah, grimy as fuck.

695
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes you feel unwell.

696
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, prosecutors also asked you here why he went

697
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>on the run for twelve years if he's an innocent man,

698
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, why did you run? Why did you hide?

699
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't murder your girls? And he said, quote

700
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>because I believe behind this coverage there was a great agenda,

701
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and I feel that the media was against me in

702
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a certain direction that I would not get a fair trial.

703
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, to play like devil's advocate, that is

704
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 2>that makes kind of sense, though it does.

705
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>It does to a certain degree. However, you need to

706
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 1>consider why is the media and investigators, police and the

707
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.119
<v Speaker 1>public everyone, Why is everyone blaming him for the murder?

708
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot of evidence that points towards him.

709
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 1>His deceased daughters were found in his cab. Yeah, the

710
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>nine to one call has the dying daughter, Sarah naming

711
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>names killer.

712
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>He has like a very abusive history towards them.

713
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>And controlling, and before it was even on the news,

714
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 1>he was already in hiding. And there's another final piece

715
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of evidence I'll talk about here later. But yeah, So anyways,

716
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.599
<v Speaker 1>after the closing arguments for his trial, the jury deliberated

717
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 1>for just three hours before returning with their verdict. They

718
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 1>found you see her, Abdel Said guilty of capital murder

719
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility

720
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of parole.

721
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good.

722
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 1>He is serving his sentence at the McConnell unit in

723
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>b County, Texas.

724
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean three hours, that's it. Yeah, And this is

725
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 2>a huge case, right, so it's pretty much obvious that

726
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>it was him.

727
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly, yeah, one hundred.

728
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 2>There wasn't anyone in that room wavering, no.

729
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Doubt, no doubt. Now, his son, Sayid sorry Islam Said,

730
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 1>was also charged in connection with helping his father of

731
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 1>a cap sure. On January nineteenth, twenty twenty one, Islam

732
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to harboring a fugitive, conspiring to harbor a fugitive,

733
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and conspiracy to obstruct justice. On April twenty seventh, twenty

734
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, he was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.

735
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Yesee's brother, Yesin Sayid faced similar charges, and on February fourth,

736
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, y Seine was found guilty of conspiracy

737
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and harboring a fugitive and was sentenced to twelve years

738
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 1>in federal prison. On June fourth of twenty twenty one.

739
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, how long I dazed out twelve verseec there twelve years,

740
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 2>twelve years, two four years.

741
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>The son was given ten years and his brother was

742
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 1>given twelve. Okay, yeah, Now there's a letter that Yeseir

743
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 1>had written to the judge in regarding of his case.

744
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I watched this little kind of documentary kind of it's

745
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>more of an interview really than a document a mini documentary.

746
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like forty five minutes long. It's called the Interview

747
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 1>with a Killer. And this guy talks to you, Sear,

748
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 1>and he's questioning him while he's behind bars and everything,

749
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and they one of the first things they touch on

750
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is they briefly touch on this letter, but they show

751
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>the whole letter on the screen. So I pause it

752
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 1>and I type the whole thing out.

753
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read that letter for you right now, okay,

754
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>in this what he had written this to the judge.

755
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, Sphear had written this to the judge. And

756
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it goes like this, your honor, I want you to

757
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>know as well as I do, what this accusation is

758
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>really about. It's about some people they thought themselves above

759
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the law in USA. My accusation was gift from the

760
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.079
<v Speaker 1>sky to achieve their political agenda, using money, influence and

761
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>political pressure to change laws in small countries like emirates.

762
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>In my case, you could smell strongly conspiracy in the atmosphere.

763
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 1>To achieve their political agenda, they spend a lot of money.

764
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about one hundred thousand dollars reward for

765
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>reporting some one over violent accusations which never happened before.

766
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about million of dollars. So that's what this

767
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is about. Conspiracy. Conspiracy, with my full respect, you see

768
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:23.119
<v Speaker 1>her asaid Wednesday, February second, twenty twenty two. So there's

769
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot to break down there within this interview. He

770
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>still stands by his claims, and as you can clearly

771
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>tell by this letter that he wrote to the judge

772
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and during which he talks about the day his daughters

773
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 1>were killed and how they were being followed by another car. So,

774
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 1>according to him, he fled because he was mad and afraid. Actually,

775
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>initially he asked or sorry, he said mad. He fled

776
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>because he was mad, and then the interview viewer said

777
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 1>mad or afraid, and then you see her both, yeah,

778
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>most likely covering his tracks. The interview gave him the

779
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>afraid and he jumped on that real quick, but he

780
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>initially on his own free will, only said mad. Now

781
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>after he fled the car, he does not know what

782
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.159
<v Speaker 1>happened to Sarah and Amina, And as far as he

783
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>knows who was driving the car that was following them,

784
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know who they are or where they went

785
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>after this all happened either. All he knows is that

786
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 1>they are after him and not his daughters, which is

787
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>why he ran to leave them behind. So this is

788
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 1>where it differs, because first, that quote that I read,

789
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>where I said, it's the only time I've heard that story.

790
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 1>He's saying he knew the people following them were friends

791
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of his daughters or knew them, and he left them

792
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to deal with it. Now he's saying he doesn't know

793
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.639
<v Speaker 1>who is following him, and in fact, he even mentioned

794
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>seeing two cars at one point, oh geez, yeah, and

795
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 1>knowing that they're out for him specifically, not his daughters.

796
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 1>So how can you not know who they are? Yeah,

797
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and then know they're after you and not your daughter's

798
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 1>in the same breath and be.

799
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 2>So scared too not knowing who they are right exactly?

800
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, here's another important piece of the story. You see,

801
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 1>her was actually being followed that night.

802
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 2>It's true he was, but I'm wondering if it was

803
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>by like the boyfriend.

804
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Oh, no, okay, So in the courtroom, Amina's boyfriend

805
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>testified that he and his father were the ones following

806
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 1>in the car. Now, call it being at the right

807
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>place at the right time, call it coincidence, whatever you want.

808
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>But while they were driving, they just so happened to

809
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>see Amina in the taxi cab with her father, and

810
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 1>they knew what this kind of man he was or whatever,

811
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>and so he's like, dad, follow her real quick, right,

812
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 1>So they briefly followed the taxi before you know, amandining

813
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and leaving them alone, continuing on their own way. They

814
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 1>did not follow as far as the hotel. They followed

815
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 1>for a few minutes. Was that so maybe when you

816
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 1>see her did say it was friends of my daughter?

817
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 1>He is right, But then why is he saying these

818
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>other things now while in prison. It's all so convoluted

819
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and so bullshit doesn't make sense.

820
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, because who would want his daughters dead? It doesn't

821
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 2>seem like there's anyone out there that would.

822
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>No, there is no one. There's no proof, there's no evidence,

823
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>there's no nothing, yeah, digging into any sort of emails,

824
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 1>text messaging, or any witnesses, they all point to the

825
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 1>only person who that they have a problem with is

826
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>their father. Now, prosecutors do say that this detail about

827
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the boyfriend following was something that you see or jumped

828
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 1>on as a defense to claim his innocence. He saw

829
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.679
<v Speaker 1>this and it was just like, yes, here's my out.

830
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Well, I mean, honestly, even just being able

831
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>to hide for like twelve years, I don't feel like

832
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 2>this guy he's not stupid, right, he isn't He isn't.

833
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he's thinking of how to save his

834
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>own ass. He's stupid in the sense of he's like

835
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a complete jackass, and like how or did he do this?

836
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:12.639
<v Speaker 1>I think he is just stupid if I'm being honest,

837
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.760
<v Speaker 1>because like you listen to him talk, and don't get

838
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, if there could be a language barrier thing there,

839
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>because English isn't certainly not his first language. So I'll

840
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 1>give him credit where credit is due. You know what,

841
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 1>he is speaking a second language. I can't speak a

842
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>fucking second language, so he's got that one up on me.

843
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>But when you hear him talk and he's explaining things

844
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 1>it just the dots don't connect. But he's just like

845
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>it does, like believe it, it should connect for you,

846
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 1>but it just doesn't connect, like there's nothing there.

847
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. I don't know. I guess I just it's slightly

848
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>impressive to be able to to be on the run

849
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 2>for that long without being caught.

850
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 4>It is, it is.

851
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>But going back to that that letter he wrote to

852
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the judge, there is one thing that he says in

853
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 1>there now using money, influence and political pressures to change

854
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>laws in small countries like Emirates. Now, within that interview,

855
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 1>on that interview with a Killer, he says the same thing.

856
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>He's saying that his he's being framed for this by

857
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 1>someone he doesn't know, and there's a conspiracy going on

858
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 1>so they can take this case and change laws in

859
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>other countries.

860
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.719
<v Speaker 2>And this Emirates like what doesn't make any sense?

861
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>No sense? And that's the interview even calls him on that.

862
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's that's preposterous, Like no, and he's just like, well,

863
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is.

864
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

865
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He's claiming that some unknown fucking person is framing him

866
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>for murdering his daughters to change laws in another country.

867
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, he is.

868
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But how does that make any sense? It doesn't. That

869
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense whatsoever. How does that have any sort

870
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 1>of fucking ties? Now, the last little piece of evidence

871
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I do want to talk about here, So I scrolled

872
00:46:58.480 --> 00:46:59.719
<v Speaker 1>up back to that letter. So I gotta find my

873
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 1>place again. Okay, So here we are. As you may remember,

874
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Sarah's phone call to nine to one one, as we

875
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.119
<v Speaker 1>discussed at the very beginning, was at seven thirty three

876
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 1>pm that evening. Okay, right, okay, Well, only four minutes

877
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>before that nine to one one call, you see, her

878
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>took a phone call from someone else, his then wife, Tizzy,

879
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and during that call never mentioned anything about being followed,

880
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>never mentioned anything about being threatened or anything. That call

881
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:37.679
<v Speaker 1>was at seven twenty nine. I'm not sure how long

882
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>it lasted. Let's just say it lasted thirty seconds.

883
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she's kind of probably just checking in. I'm assuming, yeah, something.

884
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure what the the phone call was about. Yes,

885
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>she phoned real quick or whatever, and they he answered,

886
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 1>They talked for a brief moment, and that was that.

887
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Let's assume that phone call lasted thirty seconds. Okay, So

888
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that now leaves us with a three minute and thirty

889
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>second window from when the nine when one call was placed.

890
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Say that attack took over the course of nine shots

891
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.280
<v Speaker 1>being fired to one two shots being the other. Say

892
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>it took twenty seconds. We now have three minutes and

893
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>ten seconds between phone call and phone call. Yeah, three

894
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>minutes and ten seconds for two people to get fucking murdered.

895
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 2>That is no time from even from the call there

896
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 2>like that is Oh, that's wild.

897
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 1>No, you have no time to be noticed that you're

898
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 1>being followed to go park somewhere, run out of the car,

899
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 1>not know what happened to your daughter's Can hear the

900
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.239
<v Speaker 1>fucking gunshots if someone else does run up to the

901
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 1>car and then shoot them from within the car, not

902
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 1>to mention the daughters, Just what sit in the car

903
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 1>and wait?

904
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and it's not like it was like one shot.

905
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot. It was eleven shots exactly.

906
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>So I one percent. This is why I was so

907
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>not wanting to research this case, and I'm just so

908
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>done with it because it just doesn't make sense. My

909
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 1>brain was scrambled, and like, how do I make sense

910
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>of this tom foolery that he's trying to convince people of.

911
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.960
<v Speaker 2>That's shocking to me that the mom had called four

912
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>minutes before.

913
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Four minutes dang, four minutes between call and call, from

914
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of call to beginning.

915
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Really, hey, oh okay, that's that is that's mind blowing

916
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 2>to me, right huh. And this guy is literally just

917
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 2>saying it wasn't him.

918
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like that fucking shaggy hung wasn't me. They're

919
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 1>coming on the count. It wasn't me. Happened in my

920
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>fucking cabby wasn't me?

921
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, the fact that he killed his two

922
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>daughters and then now is just such a complete piece

923
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 2>of shit.

924
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:48.159
<v Speaker 4>I know.

925
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 2>This guy just makes me slick sick.

926
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Right to think he's like to be. I can't think

927
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of the word when you think so highly of yourself.

928
00:49:58.159 --> 00:49:59.079
<v Speaker 1>What's the word I'm thinking of.

929
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Complete douche canoe.

930
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>When you're a complete douche canoe. There we go, that's

931
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the word. When you're a complete douche canoe like him,

932
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and you think so highly of yourself that you murder

933
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 1>your own daughters. There is blatant evidence for it, and

934
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 1>then you go on to say I'm innocent and my

935
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>name is what they're trying to use to change laws

936
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>in a fucking country, you're not that important. But exactly,

937
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not that fucking important. No one in that fucking

938
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 1>country knows who you are, or any of those countries

939
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 1>over in the Emirates, and none of them unless it's

940
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like a direct relative, and I guarantee you by now,

941
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.760
<v Speaker 1>they probably don't give a fuck about him anyways.

942
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Is that documentary worth watching to like see how he

943
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:44.119
<v Speaker 2>acts and stuff? It is?

944
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's a joke. Everything he says is a

945
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 1>fucking joke. Because usually when you when you're talking to

946
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a fucking killer, you're you're taking their time. They don't

947
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>need to fucking talk to you, right m hm. And

948
00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>so it's like you got to be real careful how

949
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you're talking and like to get the information out. And

950
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 1>he kind of, like the interviewer says, he's like, you know,

951
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of warming up and trying to draw these

952
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 1>questions out. But within seconds of sitting down, you see

953
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 1>HER's like, and I'll fucking tell you. And it's like

954
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 1>he's just gonna spill it all.

955
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

956
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Why would he fucking spill it all? Because he has

957
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:26.639
<v Speaker 1>a story he wants you to believe. Oh gosh, sorry,

958
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm going off on like a major rant on this

959
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:29.039
<v Speaker 1>one here.

960
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just unbelievable.

961
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So I got a little, a last little

962
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 1>couple sentences here that I wrote up, and I want

963
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to I want to read it verbatim because this is

964
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 1>what I was feeling at the very end of this.

965
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I can't even remember what I wrote, but

966
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna read this. Kay. So it seems like,

967
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>no matter the claims that you see her has, his

968
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.679
<v Speaker 1>innocence is a clear lie. He murdered his two daughters

969
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 1>in cold blood for dishonoring their family, culture and heritage. However,

970
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 1>he got it wrong. In reality, he was simply overbearing, controlling,

971
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and the true dishonor of their family. Those two girls

972
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.440
<v Speaker 1>were everything that man could never be.

973
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

974
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that is the story of the honor killings.

975
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 1>And uh, Sarah and Amina sayid.

976
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Gosh eighteen and seventeen. Yeah, and then also their.

977
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Mom too, right like gosh, yeah, he ruined her life.

978
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.800
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have a son now, basically, I'm sure, I mean,

979
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe she has a relationship with them, maybe they're able

980
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 1>to figure something out.

981
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but well, and I can only imagine

982
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>just not that she should or anything, but like just

983
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 2>the feeling of like guilt, right, Yeah, that that guilt

984
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 2>is feeling she brought them back.

985
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 1>It's not her fault though, no, and I'm.

986
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Not saying it is, yeah, but it's just like I'm

987
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>sure that she's just beaten herself up about this.

988
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Which she shouldn't. But that's that's the thing. It's like,

989
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.400
<v Speaker 1>when you get into that situation, so many people blame themselves.

990
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 1>So many people blame themselves for so many things. It's

991
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 1>not their fault.

992
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's such a piece of shit too that now

993
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he has ruined his his only living other kid, who's

994
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>now having to be in jail for ten fricking years. Yeah,

995
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure that twelve years of hiding his dad

996
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>was not fun.

997
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Nope.

998
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 2>And then also his brother and stuff too. So he's

999
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>just like such a selfish piece of shit.

1000
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's just literally dragging every fucking single one down

1001
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with him.

1002
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, anyone that was kind of close to him.

1003
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so fuck him.

1004
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, what a brutal case, right, huh.

1005
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand people like that. I could because

1006
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I we all know I love to play devil's advocate.

1007
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I really do to try and get that understanding, that perspective,

1008
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and there is I can never wrap my head around

1009
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 1>individuals who think like this, who just I'm innocent, believe

1010
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 1>me because I say it. No, that doesn't work like that.

1011
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.039
<v Speaker 2>There are people in jail that or have been in

1012
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>jail and stuff that are innocent.

1013
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Like it does happen, Oh it does, but he's not.

1014
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 1>He's not wrong.

1015
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it doesn't like this the evidence and like

1016
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 2>there's just no one else. There's just no room for

1017
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.679
<v Speaker 2>it to be anyone else. No, in my opinion, there's not.

1018
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 1>And I'm while I didn't find all the details on

1019
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the car being searched and everything, and

1020
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, now I think of it. I didn't

1021
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.719
<v Speaker 1>really think of this ahead of time, but as as

1022
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.519
<v Speaker 1>my thought processes are going, I guess I'm just gonna

1023
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.800
<v Speaker 1>spew this. I'm sure that they fingerprinted the car, but

1024
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>it being a taxi cab, I mean, I'm sure there's

1025
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different fingerprints and stuff all throughout it,

1026
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>But I mean they didn't find any evidence of any other.

1027
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Person's well, yeah, and just the fact that the mom

1028
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 2>had called that's wild because if something was wrong, you

1029
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 2>would think, you know, she would know, Yeah, like she

1030
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 2>know if someone was like if they were in pursuit

1031
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of right now.

1032
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, he probably wouldn't have answered the phone if he

1033
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>was frank driving totally. Yeahn't say anything to her because

1034
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 1>they have the phone record. Like they have the record,

1035
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they know what the conversation was. There was nothing mentioned.

1036
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Huh nothing, Oh my gosh. So yeah, so sad. Hopefully

1037
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you guys are angry at him too, because he's a

1038
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.599
<v Speaker 1>douche canoe for sure. That's how you describe him. Ruche canoe.

1039
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, among many other things.

1040
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the list goes on.

1041
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I probably should just shut up. I could

1042
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.320
<v Speaker 2>say a lot of things about this guy. This guy's

1043
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 2>pissing me off.

1044
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 4>I know.

1045
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.559
<v Speaker 1>And he only went in jail just just recently, just

1046
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago.

1047
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The fact that he had twelve years too is

1048
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 2>also pisses me off.

1049
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I can't imagine he lived the greatest of years

1050
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 1>though in those twelve years.

1051
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he still got to like order a pizza

1052
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 2>if he wanted, Yeah, I know, watch the sunset and

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<v Speaker 2>all this shit that he just didn't deserve. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you mean, I know what you mean, but I

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<v Speaker 2>hope those twelve hours were shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, while he was free, he didn't have freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Yeah, So anyways, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>guys for being here. Hopefully you enjoyed that, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you did listen to the two parts. I know it

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<v Speaker 1>probably could have jammed this all into one episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to make sure that we had room

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<v Speaker 1>to rent in this second one. So yeah, yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to say that. So it was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a rant.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been a long episode if it was one.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it would have been because the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>Part one was a bit short. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>almost forty minutes, and I'm not sure what we were

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<v Speaker 1>up to on this one, but it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour for sure. So splitting it up I

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<v Speaker 1>think was a good, good idea, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>previous history on the family and then the crime is

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<v Speaker 1>a good way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I've said, part one and part two, it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you something to look forward to in between.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a bad thing, that's true. So hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>guys enjoyed a part one and part two, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course we'll be back with more episodes here out Tuesdays

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<v Speaker 1>and Fridays. It's us. We're an any podcast. We produced, research,

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<v Speaker 1>we host, all of it's done by us, and you

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<v Speaker 1>guys being here listening and supporting us means the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>world because without you, we wouldn't be able to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so thank you so much. We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>All our links in the description of the podcast, get

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<v Speaker 1>them all down there, merch, Patreon, you name it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just rambling now. Yeah, I'm gonna chug my beer and

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<v Speaker 1>then go to bed and until next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Until next time, stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was a two fer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good job.