1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Let's jump into this Vanity Fair article and let's do 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,679 part one today roughly, not like I said thirty minutes 3 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:12,000 or so. And let's see what the author, Gabriel Sherman 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,920 has come up with headline, the Mogul and the monster 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,160 inside Jeffrey Epstein's decades long relationship with his biggest client. 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Now again, remember, for those of us who have been 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,920 following this case rabidly the way we have been, there's 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,119 a lot of this stuff we all know already, but 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,799 it's nice to see it in print. It's nice to 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,240 see one of these legacy outlets diving in and doing 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,719 their job and not leaving it to the handful of 12 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:45,079 content creators who actually have a clue about what's going on. 13 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:51,280 In the fall of nineteen eighty two, a money manager 14 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,119 named Harold Levine got a phone call that would change 15 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:59,640 his life. A lawyer representing Leslie H. Wexner, the founder 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,159 and CEO of the women's apparel retailer The Limited, said 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,319 Wexner was looking for a financial advisor. Would Levin be interested. 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,319 Levin most certainly was in Columbus, Ohio, where Levin lived. 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,840 Wexner was a legend. Wexner grew the Limited from a 20 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:21,519 single Columbus store into a global retail empire that included 21 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:26,959 mall fixtures, Abercrombie and Fitch, Victorious Secret, and Bath and 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,560 body Works. Now, there's no doubt, we can't even begin 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,560 to doubt that what Les Wexner built was pretty magnificent 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,640 as far as a retail empire goes. And kudos for that, right, 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,000 But that's where it stops. Everything else that I know 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,120 about this man, everything else that he did, everything else 27 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:50,439 he was involved in, is pretty much reprehensible, to be 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,640 honest with you. And the way that he conducts himself 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,319 and the way he controls things down in Ohio like 30 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:59,519 it's his own little fifedom and he is this feudal 31 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:03,560 leader that can call his banners whenever he wishes is 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,200 disgusting and disturbing. You would think that there would be 33 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,680 a lot more interest into what less Wexner was in 34 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:17,159 his home base of Ohio. Levigne landed the job after 35 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,599 six months of grueling interviews. He wasn't making Masters of 36 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,680 the Universe money. Wexner paid a salary of two hundred 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,439 and fifty thousand dollars a year. Damn two hundred and 38 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,199 fifty thousand dollars a year in nineteen eighty two. Not 39 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:32,039 Masters of the Universe money, but big money, no doubt. 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,919 I mean, just take a look back at what the 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,599 prices were in nineteen eighty two and what the cost 42 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:41,479 of living was. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars goes 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,360 a damn long way, folks. Wexner paid a salary of 44 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:50,319 two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, but it 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,479 wasn't enough for Levin Levin to move his family into 46 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:56,560 a six thousand square foot house across the street from 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:02,599 Wexner in Bexley, Columbus's most exclusive suburb. So this gentleman 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,000 who ended up working as a financial advisor for Les 49 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Wexner not only worked for Les Wexner, but he lived 50 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,240 right across the street from him. So this is one 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,919 of the guys that was with Les Wexner for quite 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,680 some time, somebody who knew him, knew him personally, and 53 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:23,919 somebody who worked with him before and during the whole 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,680 entire Epstein escapade. So this is good work finding this 55 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,080 gentleman to talk to and adding this story to the catalog, 56 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:36,199 because again, look, folks, there are so many levers to 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,199 this so I mean levels to this, so many different 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,800 chambers in the warrant that if you don't explore everything, 59 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:50,520 then you're not going to understand anything. By nineteen eighty six, 60 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,479 Wexner ranked six on the Forbes four hundred list of 61 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,479 richest Americans, with a net worth estimated at one point 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,199 four billion dollars. In New York, I had bankers constantly 63 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,479 taking me out to dinner, Levin told me. Once a 64 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,240 banker arranged a private tour of Le Bernardine. The kitchen 65 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,479 was so clean you could eat off the floor, Levin remembered. 66 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:16,800 So I'm guessing that Lay Bernardine was some kind of 67 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,199 a haughty, towdy, fancy restaurant in New York back in 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,759 the day. I'm not too familiar with it, never heard 69 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:26,120 of it. But then again, it's not like I'm some 70 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,120 you know, fine dining establishment expert. You know, I like 71 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 a nice steakhouse as much as the next guy, like me, 72 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,720 a great Italian joint as much as the next guy. 73 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,439 But as far as you know, knowing the top chefs 74 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,439 in the business and all of that stuff, no idea. 75 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,360 I know guys that are on the show Top Chef maybe, 76 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,639 But besides that certainly not some sort of food critic. 77 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,040 But I guess this is a big deal considering. Levine 78 00:04:53,160 --> 00:05:03,079 was pretty impressed. He remembered Wexner entrusted Levin Levin with 79 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,839 increasingly ambitious projects. Starting in the mid nineteen eighties, Levin 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,199 purchased thousands of acres of farmland in New Albany population 81 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,959 four hundred and fourteen, on the outskirts of Columbus, where 82 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,360 Wexner planned to build his very own town modeled on 83 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,480 an eighteenth century Georgian village. Less sent me to Richmond, 84 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,839 Virginia to look at architecture he wanted to copy. Levin said, 85 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,600 so again, this is at the very beginning, right when 86 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,720 Les Wexner was first building up his empire. Levin was 87 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:40,839 there riding shotgun as an advisor, as a basically Jeffrey, 88 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,480 I mean Less, Wexner's right hand man, taking care of 89 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:48,240 what needs to be taken care of, going out looking 90 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,399 at the architecture plans. You know, that's a confidant, right, folks, 91 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,079 that's somebody that's around you. You're breaking bread with them, 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,639 their families, hanging out with your family, and it's more 93 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,759 than just oh this is my employee and That's what 94 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,480 happens a lot of times with these powerful men. They 95 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,319 get themselves a right hand man or a woman, and 96 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,480 that person becomes integral to everything they do. And that's 97 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:19,439 what Levin was for Les Wexner. On one of Levin's 98 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:22,360 trips to New York in nineteen eighty nine, Wexner asked 99 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:25,480 him to meet a brilliant young financier who wanted to 100 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:31,360 pitch an investment opportunity. So this is Levin's first meeting. 101 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:36,120 First experience with Jeffrey Epstein was in nineteen eighty nine, 102 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,480 when his then boss, Les Wexner wanted to introduce them. 103 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,600 Levin never heard of the man Jeffrey Epstein, which was odd. 104 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,360 After working for Wexner for seven years, Levin knew virtually 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,079 every player on Wall Street. A few months earlier, Levin 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,839 says he met with Ivan Bowski. Levin's skepticism was confirmed 107 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,000 as soon as he arrived at Epstein's Madison Avenue office. 108 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,680 There were no visible signs of a trading operation, just 109 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:11,199 Epstein sitting behind a desk that didn't even have a computer. 110 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,720 So the grift was on even then, folks. And it 111 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,959 begs the question, why would somebody like Les Wexner get 112 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:28,319 involved with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein with no Jeffrey Epstein 113 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,680 who had no sort of credibility in the industry, no 114 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,800 sort of contacts, no sort of track record, just some 115 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:39,680 guys sitting behind the desk, and Les Wexner, who is 116 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:43,040 the mogul of this huge business empire, is going to 117 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,720 get in business with them. And not only that, but 118 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:49,000 nobody on the street even really knows who Jeffrey Epstein is. 119 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,240 And this is the guy who Less Wexner decides to 120 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:56,480 park his money with. This is the man Wexner decides 121 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:01,319 to give the keys to the castle. Why that is 122 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:04,959 the real question. Nobody's been able to answer it. Oh, 123 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,199 of course, You've had people who have, you know, shout 124 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,199 out some hypothesises on what's going on, or some guesses 125 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,920 and some speculation, but nobody's really been able to hammer 126 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,639 down the nexus of this relationship. And that is an 127 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,920 ongoing theme until we get to that point and we 128 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,680 figure out how Wexner and Epstein truly came into contact, 129 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:33,559 how they really became buddies. The rest of it's going 130 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,799 to be a bit muddled. Epstein was trying to explain 131 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,360 a currency trade he wanted to do. I have an 132 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,240 MBA from the Ohio State, and I didn't understand the 133 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,799 word the man said. Levin recalled. Levin went back to 134 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,240 Columbus and reported that Epstein was a fraud. I told 135 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,039 Les stay away from him. Levin remembered. Wexner agreed not 136 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,200 to do the trade. So Wexner had his right Levin 137 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:05,639 down there taking a look meeting Epstein, doing an intro, 138 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,440 getting an idea of who the guy is. Comes back 139 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,279 after one sesshon and says, look, oh, boy is a fraud. 140 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,279 You shouldn't get in business with him. Less stay away 141 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,559 from him. He has no idea what he's doing. He 142 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,279 is not a real financial advisor. So what does Les 143 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,320 Wexner do? And all of his infinite brilliance hops right 144 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,519 into bed with Jeffrey Epstein. So again when we talk 145 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,559 about the relationship that Epstein built with Wexner or these 146 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,960 other people, and people try and pitch that oh they 147 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,440 had no idea, Well what Epstein was, I say, absolute bs. 148 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,840 I don't buy it for a minute. The warning signs 149 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,960 were there. He was warned by his own guy Levin, 150 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,679 And I'm sure there were a bunch of other people 151 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,759 that warned them as well, just like Bill Gates's wife 152 00:09:55,799 --> 00:10:02,279 warned him. Levin was shocked when Epstein showed up in 153 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:05,519 Columbus a few months later and announced Wexner had put 154 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,159 him in charge of his finances. Levin tried to protest, 155 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,480 but says Wexner wouldn't take his calls. Levin couldn't stand 156 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:17,000 having Epstein as a boss. He was an asshole, the 157 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:20,960 most arrogant person I ever met, Levin recalled. A few 158 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,840 months later, Levin quit. So whatever happened, whatever transpired right 159 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,799 in those few months between the meeting between Levin and 160 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Epstein and then Epstein and Wexner, whatever happened in that 161 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:43,000 small period of time was enough to knock Levin off 162 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:48,000 of the chest board and firmly plant Epstein upon it. 163 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:51,440 Now I think those few months are crucial. I think 164 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120 we need to find out what happened in those few months. 165 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,679 What sort of compromant does Epstein have on Wexner? Is 166 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,559 one avenue were they working in tandem? Certainly another avenue, 167 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Levin said, Epstein taunted him on his way out. On 168 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:17,279 my last day, Epstein walked into my office and held 169 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,960 up a piece of paper. He bragged that Less had 170 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,840 given him power of attorney over his money. What is 171 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:27,000 this the movie with Matt Damon and Ben Afflack Goodwill 172 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Hunting where he gets the girl's phone number and then 173 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,519 goes up and puts it on the window afterwards. You 174 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:36,279 like apples? How about them apples? Is that basically what 175 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,200 Epstein was doing. I'm trying to rub it in here. 176 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:43,879 So not only that right, not only is rubbing it in, 177 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:52,200 but he is now in charge of the whole entire operation. Folks. 178 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,440 All of Wexner's money goes through Epstein at this point. 179 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,519 Epstein's the man, He's the king, he is the prince 180 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,120 of Ohio at this point. And for Levin he wasn't 181 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,519 having it. See you later. I'm not working for this douche. 182 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,759 This guy's a fraud. He's an asshole. And I warned 183 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:19,679 you Less Wexner. I worked for Less for seven years, 184 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:24,039 and I never had general power of attorney, Levin, said Epstein. 185 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,320 Levin continued even ordered him to surrender equity in Wexner's 186 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:34,399 town project, likely costing Levin millions. Epstein basically said, if 187 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,639 you want, you can fight it out, but I have 188 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:39,159 a lot of lawyers and I'll make sure it costs 189 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:42,600 you a fortune. Yeah. Well, right there. Again. When we 190 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:45,519 go through this stuff, folks, and we read these articles, 191 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:50,600 sometimes we get some nuggets, right, things that confirm other 192 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,679 things we might have thought. Stuff like that. And when 193 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,399 you hear Epstein out of his own mouth talk about 194 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,519 how he has a lot of lawyers and he'll make 195 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,840 it cost you a fortune, it shows you the strategy 196 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,840 that they used when it came to civil suits, when 197 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,399 it came to accusations from survivors, what they would do 198 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,919 is parayed out their lawyers and army of them, and 199 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:16,320 an unlimited amount of dark money pumped into their bank accounts, 200 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,320 and then they'd go on to thrash you in the 201 00:13:21,399 --> 00:13:26,480 legal system, because, as we all know, the legal system 202 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:33,000 is corrupt as well. Levin's life unraveled. He couldn't find 203 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,399 a job. Friends told him Epstein was spreading rumors around 204 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:40,039 Columbus and on Wall Street that Wexner had fired him 205 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:44,960 for misappropriating funds. His wife filed for a divorce, Levin said, 206 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:48,799 and was granted custody of their children. I had a 207 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:51,440 nervous breakdown. I was living out of my car for 208 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,240 a while, Levin said, he applied for jobs using computers 209 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:59,360 at the library and showered at state parks. Epstein ruined 210 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,799 my life. I lost everything, Levin said. So, Look, Jeffrey 211 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:09,600 Epstein was just a straight up monstrous individual. He didn't 212 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:12,960 care about anybody. He was willing to destroy anybody who 213 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,240 got in his way, anybody who he thought was an impediment, 214 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,399 and most certainly willing to destroy anybody if it meant 215 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,919 a little bit more money, a little bit more power, 216 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:31,120 and certainly if it meant more information, and if Levin 217 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,279 had to be the person being destroyed, then so be it. 218 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:37,720 Whatever it took to get closer to Wexner, whatever it 219 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,279 took to really get into Wexner's year, that was what 220 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Jeffrey Epstein was willing to do. Two years after guards 221 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,120 discovered Epstein's unconscious Epstein unconscious in his Manhattan prison cell, 222 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,120 the pedophile's life and mysterious death remained a subject of 223 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:00,480 fevered speculation and conspiracy. Theorizing was that I've steen an 224 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,879 intelligence asset, a debased financial genius, a sociopath con man 225 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:12,039 who fleeced billionaires and politicians with sexual blackmail, all of that. Honestly, look, 226 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:18,600 let's be real. The first, Uh, the first question, was 227 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:21,279 he an intelligence agent? I don't know about an agent. 228 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,000 I've said that, and I've been pretty clear with how 229 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:27,360 I feel. An asset is what I feel, right, I 230 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,879 think that Epstein was an asset being run in one 231 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:34,879 way or the other by the intelligence apparatus. Definitely think 232 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:38,279 that that was a part of it. Debased financial genius, 233 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,320 nah No, not a genius debased for sure, But I 234 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,720 don't mean financially. A sociopathic con man who fleeced billionaires 235 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:54,320 and politicians with sexual blackmail, for sure. Definitely that. So 236 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,759 the author of this article, mister Gabriel, is definitely on 237 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:02,960 the right path in a search for answers. I spent 238 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,759 the past six months investigating the Epstein mystery that could 239 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,759 unlock others. How did he get his money? I appreciate 240 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,799 the six months of invested time hare Pal, but six months, Huh, 241 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,960 you're gonna be playing catch up unfortunately, because six months 242 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,960 in this case is just a drop in the bucket. 243 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,799 There are that many rabbit holes, there are that many 244 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,200 different warrens in chambers, and every time you pull on 245 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:40,440 one thread, another one pops up. For it was Epstein's 246 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:45,120 half billion dollar fortune that enabled him to sexually abuse 247 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,159 in traffic hundreds of girls on multiple continents. There's no 248 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,360 question that Epstein could not have done what he did 249 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,960 without the support of people that provided him money. Set 250 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,759 attorney David Boyce, whose firm represents numerous Epstein accusers, including 251 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:07,920 Virginia Roberts. Yeah, and that's just obvious, right. We don't 252 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,839 need David Boys to tell us that you can't do 253 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,759 something like this on your own. This is a whole 254 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:18,240 group of people involved, the whole entire situation unfolding with 255 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,680 many moving parts. That's why it's obviously a Rico conspiracy. 256 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,640 For some reason or another, our fantastic government hasn't went 257 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:34,240 down that route. But this is obviously intercontinental conspiracy. And 258 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,839 I don't mean conspiracy theory. Okay, we've passed that this 259 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:44,000 is to the cover up phase at this point. But 260 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,720 David Boys, he's spot on. There's no way that Jeffrey 261 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,000 Epstein could have done this by himself. He had help. 262 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,480 We know he had help, and we even have the 263 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:58,920 names court documented of the people that allegedly were doing 264 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,000 the helping. All we're waiting for now are the indictments. 265 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,279 Epstein burnished his own myth telling people preposterously that he 266 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,240 only accepted clients with assets of one billion dollars or more. 267 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,359 But until recently, epstein only publicly named client was Wexner. 268 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,680 When I asked Jeffrey who else he worked with, He'd say, 269 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,880 I can't talk about it. An Epstein friend recalled, Look, 270 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,960 we know Lean Black, we know Jess Staley, we know 271 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Les Wexner, and we know that there was probably a 272 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,319 shit ton more. Those are only the only ones that we, 273 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,160 you know, we have on WAX so far. Those are 274 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,559 the ones that we can document so far, but I'm 275 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:49,519 sure there are a ton of other people that were involved. 276 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,720 Wexner paid Epstein's predecessor about six hundred thousand dollars a 277 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:59,359 year in today's dollars. Epstein, a former high school math 278 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,640 teacher from Coney Island, Brooklyn, was worth a report at 279 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,599 five hundred and fifty nine million. His estate included a 280 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:10,279 fifty one thousand square foot Manhattan townhouse bought from Wexner, 281 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,440 a private jet formerly owned by the limited Wexner and 282 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:18,839 a helicopter, a Caribbean island, a Paris apartment, a Palm 283 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:23,279 Beach mansion, and a ten thousand acre New Mexico ranch, 284 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:26,319 which still hasn't been rated, by the way, which nobody 285 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:28,799 has showed up at to kick in the door. Nobody's 286 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,759 waved in a four to four. Nobody's done anything of 287 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:40,279 the sort. Meanwhile, none of these legacy media outlets have 288 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:46,920 any questions about that. None of these hard charging reporters 289 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,359 over at the New York Times have anything to say 290 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,559 about that. Oh, they shared a lot to say about 291 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:54,519 Gary Webb. Oh they had a lot to say about that. Right. 292 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,119 Epstein's Brothers real estate company also had the majority ownership 293 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,559 of a Manhattan condo building on East sixty sixth Street 294 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:09,039 where Epstein allegedly housed girls. The building was formerly owned 295 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:13,599 by Wexner. Prosecutors say that Epstein built his vast sex 296 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,799 trafficking ring throughout the nineties and early eighties. In other words, 297 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:27,359 Epstein became Epstein during his long association with Wexner. All right, folks, 298 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,799 we're gonna wrap it up for the first part of 299 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,440 this article. Right there seems like a good place to segue. 300 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,000 We'll be able to pick up for part two of 301 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:42,680 this later on and continue on with this conversation. But 302 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,160 as you see already from the very beginning, the author 303 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,599 of this article is putting the pieces together that we 304 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,599 have all had put together for quite some time. But 305 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,359 the good thing is Vanity Fair has a much much 306 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,759 longer reas each than I could ever hope to have. 307 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:06,200 So good on you, Gabriel, the author of the article, 308 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,880 for stepping up to the plate and at least attempting 309 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,559 to bring the facts to the people, because many of 310 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,519 your colleagues haven't had the courage to do the same. 311 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,319 So props for that for sure. As for the rest 312 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:28,039 of this article, well, we're gonna pick it up and 313 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,960 we're gonna have the next episode tomorrow morning for the 314 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:35,720 morning update. All right, If you'd like to contact me, 315 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,279 you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. 316 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:43,000 That's b O b b y c ap you Cci 317 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:46,720 at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on 318 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:54,039 Twitter sometimes at Bobby underscore c ap you Cci. All 319 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,160 of the links that go with this episode can be 320 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,359 found in the description box. On today's episode, we're going 321 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,440 to continue discussing the Vanity Fair article profiling the relationship 322 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:15,119 between Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner. This article was published 323 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,200 by Vanity Fair and the author of this article is 324 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:28,680 Gabriel Sherman. When Epstein pleaded guilty to two counts, including 325 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,480 soliciting a minor for prostitution in Palm Beach in June 326 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,079 two thousand and eight and registered as a Level three 327 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,920 sex offender in New York, Wexner refused to discuss him. 328 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,680 Of course he did. Why would Wexner want to talk 329 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,400 about Jeffrey Epstein, a Level three sex offender, by the way, 330 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,440 who he is still buddies with, who he is still 331 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,680 paling around with, who he still has business dealings with, 332 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:58,839 and who had the keys to his whole entire kingdom. 333 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,799 Why would he want to talk about that? The real 334 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:08,759 question is, though, why didn't the legacy media press him correctly? Oh, 335 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,359 we know that when the legacy media wants to be 336 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,079 a thorn in your side, they most certainly can. And 337 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,759 when they don't want to be a thorn in your side, 338 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359 well you have to ask yourself why you don't think 339 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,160 an x bose unless Wexner would move papers, you don't 340 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,839 think an x bose on the relationship revealing how deep 341 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,319 and how dark it was between Wexner and Epstein, wouldn't 342 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:44,240 move units in any other circumstance, the legacy media would 343 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:48,839 be digging in. But you haven't seen much of that, 344 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,880 have you. In twenty nineteen, a Wexner spokesman told The 345 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440 Washington Post that the Wexner's had severed all ties with 346 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:03,160 Epstein in two thousand and seven. They condemned Epstein's actions. 347 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,119 The spokesman said it was only after Epstein died that 348 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,680 Wexner described their relationship, and even then in opaque terms. 349 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,000 For sure, Wexner has never been forthcoming about his relationship 350 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,400 with Epstein and what occurred in New Albany at his property. 351 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,440 According to Maria, how has he gotten away with all 352 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:32,960 of this? If that was to occur these days, someone 353 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:35,880 came out and said that they were locked in insert 354 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,400 billionaire's mansion here, you would think there'd be a hubbub 355 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,599 about it, right, But for decades and decades and decades, 356 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:49,000 the legacy media laid cover for people like Les Wexner. 357 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,799 There's a big problem, folks, when a handful of people 358 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,519 control all of the media in the country, hell in 359 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:10,759 the world. It was only after Epstein died that Wexner 360 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:15,240 described their relationship, and even then in opaque terms. In 361 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,880 Wexner's telling he was another Epstein victim preyed upon by 362 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,920 a devious mastermind, and it was calculated that he didn't 363 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,079 discuss Epstein while he was alive, Right, why would he 364 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:31,000 bring Epstein up while Epstein's alive? Considering the length of 365 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:35,279 their friendship, you would think that Epstein most certainly has 366 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:39,559 some compromant on less Wexner, or had at the very least, 367 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,240 and that would keep less Wexner definitely cowed and silent 368 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:53,319 for sure. Then you get into the you know, all 369 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,319 of the questions, what other sort of dealings were these 370 00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,000 guys engaging in, what sort of financial crimes were committed? 371 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,839 So you have, you know, a whole entire smorgas board 372 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:10,920 of potential crimes committed between these two knuckleheads. So it 373 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,880 doesn't shock me for a minute that Wexner was always 374 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,000 so mum about Jeffrey Epstein and then Jeffrey Epstein dies 375 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,359 and now, well, oh well we have a statement now, 376 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,359 of course we do. It's so transparent when you look 377 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,480 at it, when you take a look from the cheap seats, 378 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,079 right when you're looking at it from the bleachers perhaps, 379 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,720 and you're looking down and you're watching it all unfold 380 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,079 It's very transparent that all of these guys were connected, 381 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,240 and the connections ran so much deeper than was ever 382 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:48,720 let on. Being taken advantage of by someone who is 383 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,279 so sick, so cunning, so depraved is something that I'm 384 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,359 embarrassed that I was even close to, Wexner said during 385 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,400 a speech in September twenty nineteen. In a letter to 386 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,759 his charitable foundation, around this time, Wexner claimed Epstein had 387 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,799 misappropriated vast sums of money from me and my family. 388 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,640 Epstein reportedly transferred back nearly forty seven million dollars to 389 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,279 a Wexner controlled charity fund in two thousand and eight. 390 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,599 You know all of that stuff, none of it's been explained, right, 391 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,440 And to just level it as, oh, yeah, well forty 392 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,880 seven million was transferred back, No big deal. You don't 393 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,839 go to the cops. Someone gets you for forty seven 394 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,559 million dollars and you don't go to the police. You're 395 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,599 less Wexner, mister big shot, mister Abercrombie and Fitch and 396 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:49,039 victorious secret mister feudal lord of Ohio himself, and you 397 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,960 let this dude snatch your bag like that. Yeah right, 398 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,759 I don't buy it for a second, I don't buy 399 00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:01,240 it for one single second. In fact, I'm gonna go 400 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,240 out on a limb here, and I'm gonna speculate, because 401 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,799 I don't have any evidence of this, but I'm going 402 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:11,920 to speculate that that money was given to Wexner's charity 403 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,599 from Jeffrey Epstein sort of as a cover. Right. Oh yeah, Well, 404 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,960 if things go south, we could say that he embezzles 405 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,279 money from us, or he stole money from us, and 406 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:28,400 we have this whole story concocted. And I know, again, 407 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,279 it sounds cynical, right, and it sounds almost like we're 408 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,079 rock and tinfoil hats and shit. But when you look 409 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,400 at the way these people conduct themselves, you look at 410 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:45,759 their psyche and their mo they always have interwoven plots 411 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,920 inside of their schemes, and they're always looking forward to 412 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,000 the future on how they're going to avoid getting caught 413 00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,359 up in this mess if things go south. And you 414 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,799 see that with all the charitable stuff as well. You see, 415 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,759 once the curtains pulled back a little bit and you've 416 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,359 had a chance to peek into the dark, disgusting room 417 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,640 that's inhabited by these people, there's no going back, right, 418 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,039 It's like when Morpheus gives Neo the choice to take 419 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:24,640 the blue pill or the red pill. Once you've taken 420 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,799 a look behind the curtain, folks, there's just no going 421 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,240 back to sleep. These people, they're devious, they're sick, and 422 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:35,720 they don't give one rip about you, your family, your 423 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:40,759 loved ones, or anything besides their own power and their 424 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,920 own chase of more wealth. That's all they care about. 425 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,200 But Wexner's belated attempts to explain himself only raise more questions. Why, 426 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,359 for instance, did Wexner not report Epstein's alleged forty seven 427 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960 million dollar theft to the FBI, like I just stated 428 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,920 earlier a second ago. I mean, come on, forty seven million. 429 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,759 You don't call the FBI, You don't call whoever the 430 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:11,000 head of your own security apparatus for your company is. 431 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,000 You don't reach out to one of the congressmen who 432 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,960 you've donated a ka trillion dollars to. You don't do 433 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,200 none of that over forty seven million dollars. I don't 434 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,039 care how rich you are, Getting beat for forty seven 435 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,079 million dollars does not sound like a good time, And 436 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,920 especially when you're dealing with somebody who's power hungry like 437 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:38,559 Les Wesner. I guarantee you you would need a vice 438 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,119 and a pride bar to remove one single penny from 439 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:49,519 this guy's hand, never mind forty seven million dollars, and 440 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,079 he doesn't go to the FBI. There's no recourse. No 441 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:59,079 one even knows about it until Epstein dies. Huh, okay, 442 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,960 sure right, Les Wexner, that all sounds like it's kosher. 443 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Or how could Wexner claim to be blindsided by Epstein's duplicitousness. 444 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,240 I told Les I wouldn't trust Epstein to cross the street. 445 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,799 Why are you trusting him with your money? We're called 446 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,240 Jerry Merritt, a former Ohio State highway patrolman who served 447 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,559 as the limited security chief for more than twenty five years. 448 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,039 You know, I just was talking about their internal security, right, 449 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,559 and here we are with this gentleman, Jerry Merritt, saying 450 00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:36,240 he wouldn't trust Epstein to cross the street. Never mind 451 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,720 Park is money with him. So now you have two 452 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:45,319 high ranking officials within less Wexner's own inner circle warning 453 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,839 him against Jeffrey Epstein, against the relationship, and against the nonsense. 454 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,400 What does Les Wexner do pals around with Epstein anyway. 455 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,559 So again, remember these people have made their own beds. 456 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,920 I feel no sympathy for any of these people that 457 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,799 are being put on blast on this podcast. If you 458 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,240 were mentioned in those court documents, if you were fingered 459 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,440 by one of those survivors as somebody who abused them, 460 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,400 you better expect an absolute barrage of coverage of your activity, 461 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,839 at least here on this podcast. For the little bit 462 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,799 that we can do, the little bit of reach that 463 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:30,119 we have, everybody who listens to this podcast will understand 464 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:40,920 very clearly who was participating in these alleged crimes. In 465 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,359 reporting this article, I spoke to more than thirty people 466 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,000 who had first hand encounters with Epstein or Wexner. Wexner, 467 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,319 who announced he was stepping down from the board of 468 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:56,160 his company in March, declined numerous interview requests. The story 469 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,720 that emerged is a deeply strange one. Sources say Epstein 470 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:03,640 ocupie different roles in Wesner's life depending on the audience. 471 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,119 Jeffrey compartmentalized. He told you what you wanted to hear. 472 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:13,119 Epstein's former lawyer, Alan Dershowitz told me, and ever the 473 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,599 lawyer right. Dershowitz is very very careful anytime he mentions 474 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,400 Jeffrey Epstein's name. He understands the stakes. He knows what 475 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,519 he's up against. Even if he acts like he doesn't 476 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,119 like it's no big deal, right, he knows the jeopardy 477 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,799 that he finds himself in being embroiled in this case. 478 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,400 And remember, let's be very clear, My problem with Dershowitz 479 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,079 is not that he defended Jeffrey Epstein. Everybody who is 480 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,160 indicted on a crime, who is alleged to commit a crime, 481 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,000 deserves the best lawyer that they possibly can get. So 482 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,279 my beef isn't that Dershowitz defends reprehensible people. There's a 483 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,240 place for that. We got to have people that are 484 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:07,359 willing to do that. My problem with Dershowitz is the 485 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,760 other stuff. The fact that Virginia has named him, the 486 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,880 fact that he is obviously not being completely truthful about 487 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,400 his relationship with Epstein, the fact that he got a 488 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,320 massage over at Epstein's house, but he kept his underpants on, 489 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,159 so that's cool, right. All of those things are the 490 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,400 reasons I have beef with Alan Dershowitz. Now again, I 491 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960 don't speak for anybody else. I only speak for myself. 492 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,440 But I don't think you need to worry about who 493 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,280 the guy defends. If you want to think that Dershowitz 494 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,159 is a reprehensible human being, just take a look at 495 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:51,679 the other things he engages in. Epstein sometimes betrayed himself 496 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,000 as a surrogate son to a lonely billionaire. He told 497 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,599 some people he was Wexner's fixer. Dershowitz said that he 498 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,360 became Epstein's criminal lawy in two thousand and seven. Epstein 499 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,519 boasted that Wexner would not testify against him, whatever the 500 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,320 nature of their relationship. Epstein's long standing connection to one 501 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,400 of America's richest men inarguably aided his public profile, adding 502 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,599 to his air of legitimacy and thus his power. Facts, 503 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:24,199 big facts. All of these guys that were rolling around 504 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,440 with Epstein, all of these dudes like Wexner and Trump 505 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,800 and Clinton and the rest of them, they all lent 506 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,480 credibility to who Jeffrey Epstein was and in turn the 507 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,440 actions he was involved in. You gotta do better, right 508 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,519 if you're especially if you're a high profile individual. You 509 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,239 gotta know who you're with. You gotta know who you're 510 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,639 hanging out with, and you can't get caught up in 511 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:59,760 any nonsense. But you see, less Wexner, he was right 512 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,199 at the center of that nonsense. He was the one 513 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:11,320 that really was with Epstein from the Jump Epstein's Ride 514 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,920 or Die, and I'm sure Epstein's confidant. So the fact 515 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,360 that Less Wexner has been able to avoid real scrutiny 516 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,039 up until now is mind boggling to me, because anybody 517 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,320 who put any bit of effort into learning what really 518 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,599 went on here, anybody who listened to the actual survivors 519 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,599 who were abused by Epstein and the others, then you 520 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,039 knew from Jump Street that Less Wexner played a huge 521 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:47,719 role in Jeffrey Epstein's rise and his continued criminal enterprise. 522 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,400 Wexner met Epstein sometime around nineteen eighty six. They were 523 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,800 introduced by Wexner's close friend, the insurance mogul Robert Meister, 524 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,440 who's handled insurance for the limited. I spoke with Measter 525 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:05,920 in April, and he opened up for the first time 526 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,679 about the origins of Wexner and Epstein's relationship. It was 527 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,719 history that Measter seventy nine found difficult to revisit. I 528 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,320 walked away from Epstein a long time ago, and I've 529 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,000 been trying to erase him from my mind ever since. 530 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,239 He said. And while I find that the laudable right 531 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,880 that you walked away from, Epstein, why did you walk 532 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,000 away and not alert anybody? You don't you know? These 533 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:38,199 are all very powerful people, and a whisper in the 534 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,239 riot ear could have really turned things on its head. 535 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,519 But instead everybody just went along to get along, right 536 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,960 where the get along gang here in the super elite. Oh, 537 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,480 you're a level three sex offender. That's cool, as long 538 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:57,599 as you still got some money. Because the biggest sin 539 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,840 to these people, remember, is not abusing your children. It's 540 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,480 not human trafficking or any of that. The biggest sin 541 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:11,559 to these people is being broke. And that's just the 542 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,280 reality of the situation. We're not even human beings to 543 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,440 these people, folks. We are chattel. And the sooner everybody 544 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,000 figures that out, and the sooner everybody understands that none 545 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,960 of these people, none of them in the political class, 546 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:35,000 care about you, then then and only then will we 547 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:42,719 be on the right path to maybe fixing this. Epstein 548 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480 struck up a conversation with Measter on a commercial flight 549 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,440 the Palm Beach Measter remembered being impressed with the young banker. 550 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,320 In reality, Epstein lived in a one bedroom apartment and 551 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,320 ran a fledgling investment firm. And that's why I call 552 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,800 them the Coney Island hotbug vendor. Really what he should 553 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,840 have been, right, You know the guys that are out 554 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,320 there selling the hot dogs down on Coney Island at 555 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,519 Nathan's or maybe out of a cart. Probably not Nathan's 556 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,599 because a sick bastard like that can't work around other individuals. Huh, 557 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,320 how long before he's, you know, trying to dill one 558 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,760 of his coworkers. So Measter was impressed by the Coney 559 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,239 Island hot dog salesman, right, And I'm sure Epstein had 560 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960 a good line. I'm sure his pitch was fantastic. These 561 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,400 con men are good at what they do, and you know, 562 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,559 the best lies, right, they always have just a little 563 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,239 bit of truth sprinkled in, and Epstein was a master 564 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:48,480 at that. According to people close to him, Epstein had 565 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960 been forced to leave bear Stearns in nineteen eighty one. 566 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,840 He told Securities in Exchange Commission investigators he had been 567 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,039 penalized after letting a friend borrow money to buy stock 568 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,760 that there were irregularities with his expense account, and that 569 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,880 there were rumors at the firm about his relationship with 570 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,280 a secretary. I buy all of that, honestly. Now, the 571 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,000 rumors about the secretary. Who knows right, Guys like Epstein, 572 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,320 they'll always try and have a cover of having a 573 00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:23,199 older woman, perhaps with them, Gielan Maxwell, while they're engaging 574 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:30,159 in their disgusting, disgusting, gross behavior on the side, and 575 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:33,840 it all goes to building that profile, It all goes 576 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,800 to building up this this fake person basically right, who 577 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,199 the world sees in one way but behind closed doors, 578 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,599 is an absolute monster. But you see, Jeffrey Epstein was 579 00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,159 the kind of guy. He couldn't keep it behind closed doors. 580 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320 He was so brazen about it. He had to drop clues. 581 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,480 He had to let people know that, you know, he's 582 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,320 a sick bastard, and people chose to ignore it. If 583 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,960 you want the truth, that's what it really is. These 584 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,199 people that were around him chose to ignore his behavior. 585 00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,920 They chose to ignore the warning signs, and they chose 586 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,039 to continue having a relationship with a level three sex offender. 587 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,920 That's really all you need to know about all of 588 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:25,360 the other people around him. He was a great bullshit artist, 589 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,440 Mester said. People who knew Epstein remarked at his savant 590 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,840 like skills at impressing powerful older men. And here's where 591 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,840 we get into a lot of speculation. Now, there's a 592 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,960 lot of speculation that Les Wesner was someone who was 593 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,840 attracted to men, and that he and Epstein might have 594 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,920 had something going on. You've heard that from several sources. 595 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480 There's a lot of people who talk about that. So 596 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:01,559 there's definitely some speculation there. And then you hear stuff 597 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,960 like this, and I definitely don't find it out of 598 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,760 the realm of reason to think that Jeffrey Epstein was 599 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:16,440 perhaps trying to manipulate someone like Les Wexner, the seduction perhaps. Again, look, 600 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,079 when we're dealing with somebody who has the psyche of 601 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,360 Jeffrey Epstein, I think everything's on the table any kind 602 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,960 of manipulation, be it sexual or otherwise, to try and 603 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:33,079 get to the point he's trying to get to. So 604 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,119 I definitely would be remiss if I didn't mention those rumors. Now, 605 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,880 none of that's substantiated, right, we don't know for sure, 606 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,119 at least I don't know for sure, but it's certainly 607 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:47,599 something out there in the world and in the conversation 608 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:53,679 when discussing Epstein and less Wexner's relationship. Amongst people in 609 00:42:53,719 --> 00:43:03,400 the know, Jeffrey was a flatterer. Set interior designer Robert Cottorier, 610 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,079 who met Epstein in the nineteen eighties. Jeffrey would call 611 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,960 me every day and say, oh, you're so brilliant, You're 612 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,599 the best. Epstein's friend, Stuart Pavar, a founder of the 613 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,960 New York Academy of Art, set Epstein's magnetism was almost 614 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,800 impossible to resist. If you had hundreds of millions of 615 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,440 dollars and you knew Jeffrey, there's a high likelihood that 616 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,760 you'd give it to him. He was that good of 617 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,480 a con man. There is as much chance of me 618 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,639 break dancing on Mars as there is of me giving 619 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,360 Jeffrey Epstein one reed scent, and you could take that 620 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:50,199 shit to the bank. I have an uncanny ability to 621 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:59,679 sniff out conmen. There is zero chance that's somebody like 622 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:08,440 Jeffffrey Epstein, crude, ridiculous, boisterous, would ever be able to 623 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,920 pry one single cent out of your boy's hand. See 624 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,760 here's the thing where I grew up the people. I 625 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,000 grew up around a lot of con men folks, all right, 626 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,039 you grow up in the inner cities, you grow up 627 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,400 in the streets, tell you what you run across quite 628 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,079 the assortment of characters. So I have always had my 629 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,119 head on a swivel and I have never, ever, ever 630 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:43,000 bought into the bullshit. So it's amazing to me to 631 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,960 think that people like Les wexner're all of these super 632 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,480 powerful people, can let somebody like Jeffrey Epstein wiggle their 633 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:59,320 way into their lives and absolutely take control. There is 634 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,920 no way that I believe that Epstein was that good 635 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,079 of a manipulator. These people that were in bed with him, 636 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,559 all of these moguls and magnates, they knew what they 637 00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:19,320 were doing. In hindsight, Measter suspects Epstein aggressively cultivated him 638 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840 in the hope that meister would open doors to his 639 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,760 billionaire friends like Wexner. And that was the mol right, 640 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,079 That's what Epstein was doing. He would shower everybody with praise. 641 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:32,920 He would, you know, tell you you're the greatest thing 642 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,840 since sliced bread, and he try and get into your 643 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,880 circle so that he could jump on your back and 644 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:46,800 cultivate your friends, bring more people into his circle, more 645 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,119 people that he could get compromand on. And we haven't 646 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:54,559 even begun talking about the scientists, right, nobody's talking about this. Really, 647 00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,800 all of those scientists that were in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit, 648 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,320 in his atmosphere, how many of them were working on 649 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,599 classified projects? How much of that classified information found its 650 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,679 way into Jeffrey Epstein's hands, and then from Jeffrey Epstein's 651 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,599 hands god knows where, Because we know he was a 652 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:16,519 free agent. We know that he was willing to deal 653 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:23,159 with whoever had the right kind of dough. So I 654 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:30,119 wonder when we're gonna get around to that. Not long 655 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:33,559 after Epstein met Meister, Epstein invited Meister to play a 656 00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,559 racquetball and started turning up in the steam room at 657 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,719 his gym while he was using it. I'd be having 658 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,119 a steam, and Epstein would come in. Measter said, I'd 659 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:49,519 be having a steam. I'd be having a steam. Huh? 660 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,760 Is it anything like the Russian mobsters? You're in there, 661 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,559 you're having a steam, and then they come in and 662 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,199 they beat you with that piece of bush that they use. 663 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,280 What does that even mean? I'm having a steam? You 664 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,559 want to have a steam pal, come to Las Vegas 665 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,559 and take a walk to the corner store. That's a 666 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:12,159 steam for you. During one conversation, Epstein asked Meister to 667 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:16,239 introduce him to Wexner. Epstein falsely said he had learned 668 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,519 that Wexner's money manager was stealing from him. Epstein, a 669 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:24,840 self described financial bounty hunter, offered to help recover the funds. 670 00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,280 And to remember, Epstein said that he worked for the 671 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,679 government in that capacity, recovering funds for the government as 672 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:39,199 a financial bounty hunter. See Epstein has dropped a lot 673 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,480 of clues when he was alive about his involvement with 674 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:51,239 this organization or that organization or this three letter government bureaucracy. 675 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,360 And you gotta put it all together. It's a puzzle, right, 676 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,679 That's exactly what This is a gigantic puzzle, and you 677 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,519 got to start from the corners like any puzzle, and 678 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:07,559 work your way in. It was convincing enough that Mester 679 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,920 arranged a meeting for Epstein at Wexner's house in Aspen. 680 00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:15,840 Epstein was such a liar, Mester said. In Wexner's twenty 681 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,119 nineteen letter to his foundation, He wrote that he hired 682 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:24,280 Epstein because friends recommended him as a knowledgeable financial professional, 683 00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:31,239 which friends exactly, not Mester, not the head of security, 684 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,639 So which friends exactly, said Hey, you should get with 685 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:41,159 Epstein because it sure sounds like everybody was telling Les 686 00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:47,280 Wexner to run for the hills, and did he do that? 687 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,840 No business with them keys to the castle, you know, 688 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,280 the whole line, the whole, the whole kitty was handed 689 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:07,719 over to Jeffrey Epstein. Soon after introducing Wexner and Epstein, 690 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,679 Meister started hearing disturbing stories about Epstein's sexual proclivities. Think 691 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,000 of whatever, the worst thing anyone can do, and Epstein 692 00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:22,159 did them all. Measter said so right away Meister was 693 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,320 hearing this. Everybody knew what was up. Everybody knew Epstein 694 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,280 was a sick bastard who had gross proclivities. Even back then, 695 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:36,039 You mean to tell me less Wexner had no idea, 696 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,719 Mister Ohio had no idea, mister a big shot down 697 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,639 at the Ohio State University, had no idea that Jeffrey 698 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,039 Epstein was out here playing diddler on the roof. No idea. 699 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,760 Huh okay, I guess if that's what you want me 700 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,760 to believe, then I guess I'm just gonna believe your narrative, 701 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:05,239 no questions asked wrong. I don't believe any of it. Okay, 702 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,719 not one word mentioned by these people do I believe. 703 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:15,159 And it's a damn shame that the prosecutors don't have 704 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,760 the backbone to go as far as they need to go. 705 00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:27,800 Merrick Garland's a joke. The breaking point came when Epstein 706 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,559 showed up unannounced at Mester's Park Avenue apartment with five 707 00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:36,679 models for Measter's sexual entertainment. Epstein thought he was bringing 708 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,159 me a gift. Mester recalled. I told him, get the 709 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,760 f out of here. I never want to see you again. 710 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,679 So Epstein knew that Mester was on to him. This 711 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,719 is my speculation, folks, knew he was on to him. 712 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,559 So what does he do? Let me bring five girls over? 713 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,159 So now I got some compromand on him. And of 714 00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,000 those five girls, how many of them you think we're 715 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,920 under age? I guess is a good number of them. 716 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,960 And that was Epstein's mo folks, he'd get you locked 717 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,159 into that spider web. Right, Yeah, come down to the island, 718 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,239 Come hang out. We got a good thing going on 719 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,519 down here. We're gonna discuss theoretical physics. You get down there. 720 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:23,599 You're some pencil neck dork ass pocket protecting wearing scientists 721 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,480 and never had no hot girls in your life, right, 722 00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,079 No girls were flocking to you while you were in 723 00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,519 high school with your pimple ass face. You didn't play sports, 724 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,119 you didn't know how to talk to girls. And now 725 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:41,880 you're on this island with all of these billionaires and 726 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,360 he offers you hot girls. Oh they're all in right, 727 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,000 And that's what he tried to do with Measter, and 728 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:51,360 Mester was onto him. Old boy knew the deal. He 729 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,000 was like, look, take your girls and beat it. I 730 00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:55,480 want nothing to do with you. So good on Measter 731 00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,800 for that. But that's a typical Epstein move, folks. A 732 00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:03,280 lot of guys don't have the wearithal to turn that down. 733 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,800 A lot of guys can't see the forest through the trees, right, 734 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,519 hot girls everywhere? Oh shit, whoa, I don't know what 735 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,360 to do. It's almost like a switch goes off in 736 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,199 your head and you become some sort of animal, almost 737 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,400 right for these people. Meanwhile, in the rest of society, 738 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,679 most of you know, normal people look at that. Oh yeah, 739 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,639 pretty girls, great, that's awesome, keep it moving, right, Not 740 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,880 these people. It was almost like you know, at ty 741 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,079 at Christmas dinner or Thanksgiving dinner, the centerpiece is like 742 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:42,679 the turkey or you got a nice roast or whatever 743 00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,360 it is. That's what Epstein would do with these girls. 744 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,679 They'd be the centerpiece, right, He'd bring them in and 745 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,719 display them. And these sick bastards. Well, you know what happened. 746 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,360 I don't need to go into the story again, what 747 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:06,440 happened on that island. Measter, whose estimation of Epstein had 748 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,000 done a total one eighty, gave his friend a general 749 00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:12,320 warning about his character. Mester said, he and his wife 750 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,559 Wendy warned Wexner to stay away from Epstein. We begged him, 751 00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:21,280 don't get involved. Mester recalled, it was too late. Wexner 752 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,880 had hired Epstein as his financial advisor. He thought Epstein 753 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,599 was brilliant. Measter said, all right, folks, that's gonna conclude 754 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:35,400 part two of our Vanity Fair article. Now. I'm trying 755 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,159 to keep these all to thirty minute clips here. That 756 00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:40,719 way they're more digestible for you. I don't want to, 757 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,119 you know, fire off like a two hour episode that 758 00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,280 you're gonna have to pause and get back to, and 759 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,599 all of that jazz so we're gonna stop it here, 760 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:55,519 wrap up Episode two and episode three will be coming 761 00:53:55,559 --> 00:54:00,480 your way tomorrow morning. If you'd like to contact me, 762 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,719 you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. 763 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,440 That's b O B B Y c A p U 764 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,920 C c I at ProtonMail dot com. You can also 765 00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,880 find me on Twitter at b O B B Y 766 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,000 underscore C A p U C c I. All of 767 00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,679 the links that go with this episode can be found 768 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,079 in the in the description box. All right, everybody, I 769 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,920 will be back later on and I hope that all 770 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,639 of you have a great day.