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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 2: Now here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 3: Well, we get ready for a weekend that we'll see

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Sebastian Pundora back in action for the first time in

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basically twelve months, defending the unified Junior middleweight Championship. We

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also have a Matchroom to own card in Australia to

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go over.

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Speaker 2: We've got the.

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Speaker 3: WBO welterweight champion in Brian Norman Junior.

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Speaker 2: He is with Dan later in this pod.

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Speaker 3: News and some fantastic nostalgia on the program. It is

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the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am I am president,

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accounted for the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves. Hello to

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our insider off the Fight Freak Night Substack and his newsletter.

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Hello Dan rayfhiel. You know you missed me off of

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this weekend as much as you life.

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Speaker 1: I really didn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you got home okay though, after all the

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chaos of your travel.

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Speaker 3: And I just need to share with everybody it was

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in a first class grade a mess all of Sunday

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afternoon Sunday night, Dan and I were in correspondence trying

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to figure out could we make it work. And I

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kept saying to you, I don't know when I'm leaving,

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and then it became I don't know if I'm leaving,

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and legitimately I was not sure if we were not

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going to be sleeping in the A terminal, and whether

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or not the plane was going to take off, which

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it did at two thirty am Eastern times.

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Speaker 4: You would have almost had to sleep in Philly and

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then you almost had to sleep in Alanthem.

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Speaker 3: Correct because had we not, because here's the thing, had

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we not gotten out of Philadelphia they were they were

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saying to us on a different airline, I'll go in

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and share it.

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Speaker 2: They don't sponsor the show on Southwest.

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Speaker 3: They were saying, it may be Tuesday, because this is

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the Monday after spring break. It may be Tuesday, Rayfield Tuesday,

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not the day after Monday, Tuesday. So the first scramble

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became get out of Philadelphia on some airline, which we did,

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got to Atlanta. You and I are big college basketball fans.

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That is the second time in my adult life that

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I have not been in front of my TV at

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my house or my apartment to watch the selection show

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that I've been on an airplane and both times it's

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a bloody flight delay. Yes, Sunday that got me. So

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I'm watching the selection show while we're bouncing up and

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down in turbulence on the Eastern Seaboard. Did you get

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some of that nasty rent wind and rain in Virginia?

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Not really south the South with the tornadoes?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: We land in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just gonna share for one more minute, and

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then it became okay, can we get out of Atlanta?

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Speaker 2: And Dan?

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Speaker 3: That was no exaggeration like a six hour ordeal on

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is a plane gonna get here?

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Speaker 1: This question? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Would you rather do that or watch one of the

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worst Riggando fights? I'd rather do what you did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Riggando fights were very bold, and there's

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probably some other ones that we can you know, like

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bone clutch Er Smith against Mike Tyson talking about in

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the in the Nostalgias.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, it was a mess. Thankfully we got there.

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Speaker 3: Listen, you had the Sebastian Fondora interview that we were

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ready to play, so that sufficed. I did have not

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one our colleague Eric Raskin, who we know, reached out

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to me early Monday. Did you make it in. I

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had two other people that listened to the pod. They're like,

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wait a minute, are you still stuck in the Atlanta Airport?

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I exaggerate not. We hit the ground safely at four

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am Monday. Rayfield was not going to be taping the

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pod at four am and then all the.

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Speaker 1: Other times, but I would have done that. Maybe what

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the hell four am?

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Speaker 3: You told me you were milking cookies time and gone

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by like three am.

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Speaker 2: So we got in and again we land in.

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Speaker 3: The Tampa airport and there are people sleeping all over

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the terminal that could not get out all Sunday. They're

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sleeping down at baggage claim Rayfield like the homeless around

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their backs.

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Speaker 2: There are people. There are people.

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Speaker 3: Checking in at four am for the six am lights

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because it's spring break Monday, full on circlus, full on circus.

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Speaker 2: But we survive. We're here, we're.

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Speaker 3: Here, We're glad that you are here. This is the

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preview pod going into the weekend. We do our best

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let's get things underway here for this weekend. We did

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hear from Sebastian Fondorra on the pod as he's ready

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to go off the win over Tim Zoo, which seems like,

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my god, it was a year.

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Speaker 2: Ago in March, maybe fifty one weeks ye, and so.

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Speaker 3: Now he will fight Cordale Booker and defend the title

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in Las Vegas as the main event PBC Prime.

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Speaker 2: Here we go with Fight weekend.

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Speaker 3: Give me, give me a couple of more thoughts here

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after you talk to him on the previous pod.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's the PBC on Prime. It's

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the second time that they're not doing a pay per view,

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which is a good thing for those of us that

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are not always wanting to spend money on paper.

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Speaker 1: So that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: It may not be at the same level as some

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of the paper you fights, obviously, it's not a big

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Tank Davis fight or something, but Fandora's always in good fights,

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a fun fighter to watch, you know. And I think

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as you heard those who listened to the podcast, I

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mean they kind of got tired of waiting around for

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Errol Spence, which was the fight that has been linked

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to Sebastian ever since. He was doing his post fight

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interview after winning the titles against Zoo back a year ago,

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and Arrow was in the ring with him. But you know,

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for a lot of different reasons, that did not happen.

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So he's going to defend the title. Cordel Booker was

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the opponent. They basically looked down the ratings of the

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organizations to find somebody that they were okay with fighting

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that would fit the budget that was available, that was

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you know, ready to go, and they came up with

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Kurt Doel Booker. Now Qurdell Booker is an interesting character here.

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He's a good boxer, that's the first thing. He's a

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very solid boxer, had a good amateur background, not a

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big puncher. Only as one loss, and while it looks

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bad in terms of the way it went down, it

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was a first round knockout loss to Austin m Williams,

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who we spoke about last week. Because he of course

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fought to fight in the Dissonne main event and scored

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his own pretty solid victory that night. We didn't get

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a chance to really recap it because of your travel travails.

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and looked pretty good against Petrizvoni in a good, solid,

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tough fight anyway. So that fight was a first one

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knockout that Cordel Booker suffered. That was back in April

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of twenty twenty two. So ever since then, Cordel Booker,

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that was out of his regular weight class. That was

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a fight he took at middleweight. Now he's back where

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he's supposed to be or where he's most comfortable. He's

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been at his most effective at junior middleway and since

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that loss, he has won what six fights in a row,

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and maybe not against the best, you know, great competition,

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but he wasn't fighting like complete freaking stiffs either, you

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know what I mean. So he's been doing what he

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had to do to stay in the ratings and to

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get the opportunity when the when they when they came

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knocking on the door, so to speak to U, to

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give him the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: So he's down at one fifty four.

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Speaker 4: His last fight actually was at one sixty, but I

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think fifty four is where he's most comfortable.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see what he can do.

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Speaker 4: Fundora is coming off, like you said, the long layoff,

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but he's and this is not just a case against

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him against Booker. This is going to be Sebastian Fundora

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against every single fighter that he's going to ever fight

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in his entire career. As we know, he's the tower infrontal.

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Speaker 1: In the ring.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm sure that as Booker, who didn't take

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this fight the lest ban's had plenty of time to prepare.

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I'm not sure how you stimulate that in your camp

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to get him right like that, but maybe you stand

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a guy on a on a on a chair and

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you try to punch out whatever. But uh, it's gonna

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be interesting, just it always is when you see somebody

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go into the ring with Fundora when he's that much

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taller than you and he's obviously got the long reach.

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about Fandora. He likes to fight, and so for fans

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that's good, but for him it's not good because he

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doesn't use his height to his advantage like he should.

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He fights short in many ways. That's you know what

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what the trainers call it.

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Speaker 3: Well, we talked about this before on that point, because

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three years ago pointing it out because Lenox was a

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big guy with a long reach, and he was to

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your point saying this a couple of years ago before

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he won a portion of the world title, that he

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is at least a half a step, if not a

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full step too close inside. Use that reach with a

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half step back or a full step back and the

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in the Zoo fight some but that's a question mark

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for this fight.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so it's going to be up in did they

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that and if they do, can book or handle it?

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or chin. Like I said, he was a first show knockout.

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that that he's going to take a great shot at

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then they still look like they're gonna try to remake

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the fight with Errol Spence, which has been the word.

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Whether that ever actually comes off, who that knows. But

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the good thing is DJ one hundred and fifty four

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has got a lot of good fighters. And I know,

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you know, I'm not even talking about like a guy

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like a Terrence Crawford who has one of the titles,

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because we all know he's on his way up to

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one hundred and sixty eight the challenge Kenelo Alvarez. But

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to look at the rest of the way class, you

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got guys like besides Fandora, you got Martazalaev, who is

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although promoted by Main Events, he has been affiliated with

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PBC because Main Events and PBS have worked together for

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the last several fights of Martazalaev's career, the last several fights.

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They still have Keith Thurman, who just won. They have

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Tim Zuo, who is gonna probably wind up fighting Keith Thurman.

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Tim wins the upcoming fight, but certainly Fandora against the

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winner of that fight, whether its a rematch against Zoo,

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that's certainly fight I think a lot of folks would

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be interested in the same with Thurman if he were

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to beat Zoo and then also having come off the

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Jarvis victory, you also have virtual or teas who's in

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that weight class with an interim title. You've got Joenns

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Taes who made a big splash with his winning of

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the interim title. He's also with PBC. So within the

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confines of PBC alone Fondora between Spence and and Taes

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and Bachram. I mean, these are all guys Thurman and

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and you know they're they're all these guys that he

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can nat show with Tim Zoo of course. I mean

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there's there's plenty of opportunity for him to make a

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good matchup in the weight class. So we'll see how

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he performs. I'm looking forward to watching him back, it's

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been a while. He's always good to watch.

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and Elijah Garcia in a middleweight bout as well. So

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually forgot to mention Haesus Ramos is another

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candidate to be in that type of fight because he

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of the better Gerim midweight up and commers. He's got

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the one loss which I thought he won. Many people

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thought he won. This is back in twenty three he

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had a decision loss against ericson Lubin. Most people that

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Ramos was a rightful winner. He has come back and

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won two fights since then. He took his last fight

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at middleweight that was more of an accommodation to his

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opponent Jason Rosario. But he's now back at Jerim MIDIW

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eight to take on a fighter that's not really well

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known at all, and that's Guido shram sixteen three and

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two with nine knockouts. He's an Argentine fighter, but he

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fights out of Los Angeles. Look, he's lost two fights

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in a row. He got knocked out by Joan Gonzalez.

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I lost the decision to Yowon Gonzales. And before that

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he had a draw with the with the Philadelphia one

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time prospect. Kind of big disappointment in Paul Kroll. This is,

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in my estimation, a showcase fight. This is a Ramos,

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you know, let's see what you can do. And I'm

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sure that they got the opponent because he's sort of

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fit the let's say he fit the budget. That sometimes

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what happens in these types of shows where it's not

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a massive budget and what everybody there is is going

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to the main event. So this is a chance to

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see Ramos back at jingam middleweight and size him up.

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Can you see him in the ring with Fondora if

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Fandora's winner any of those other Jera middleweights that I

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just mentioned. And then it's a triple header, so they're

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only streaming the three fights. The undercard fights besides that

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are not on a stream which is like a harkening

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back to the old days when you know, they didn't

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have the streaming. So this is three fights and that's

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hit and the opening fight is the middleweight young fighter

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just a twenty one year old sixteen and one Elijah

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Garcia stubbed his toe in his last fight, lost shockingly frankly,

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a fight he was a heavy favorite and against Cairo

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Davis by split decision. He's gonna look to bounce back.

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He's taken on the well traveled olympian and Teroll Gachet,

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who's kind of tricky. Also, he might have some trouble

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with Terrell Gachet, but you know it's time to sink

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or swim. You're coming off the loss or not. Putting

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him in easy and we'll see what he can do.

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Speaker 3: By the way, is the name that Tim's Zoo fought

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a couple of years ago in his United States debut

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and Geshane knocking down on a flash knockdown in the

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first round before Zoo went on to win the fight.

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Speaker 4: And he's also coming off of a like about a

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nine month layoff where he challenged and lost the decision,

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challenging Carlos Damas for the WBC's middleweight belt. So his

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experienced against top names like you said, he's fought Tim

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Zoo did knock him down, fought Carlos Damas. He was

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in the United States Olympian. He also has a loss

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against ericson Lubin. He's got a draw against Austin Trout.

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I mean, so he's fought, you know, good quality competition

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over the course of the last several years. He just

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has me being able to get over the hump and

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win one of those fights.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: So that is coming on Saturday, earlier on Saturday our time,

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early Saturday morning in Sydney, Australia. It is George Cambosis

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back in the ring as a junior welterweight. Now, remember

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he had the lightweight titles and Devin Haney beat him

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in the undisputed title fight in Australian and then beat

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him again six months later in the rematch. So Cambosis

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and Jake Wiley tell me a little more here in

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the pre mode on this it is. It is early

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for us in the United States, Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, He's going home to fight in Australia. This

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is the first fight of his new co promotion with

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Matchroom Boxing. He's been with Lou Deblla for quite a

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number of years. Matchroom put him into a deal for

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a co promotion. They're doing this fight in Sydney and look,

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George is a good guy, and he talks great and

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some of his fights are fun to watch if he's

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in with the right type of opponent. But let's be honest,

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since he defeated and I Gargantu went upset Tifimo Lopez

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to win a bunch of the light white belts back

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in the end of twenty twenty one, he's one win

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and three losses, and the losses were pretty lopsided to

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Devin Haney in the undisputed fight and then again to

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him in the rematch. He got a too many a

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gift decision. In July of twenty twenty three when he

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came and fought in the United States against against Maxi Hughes,

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who you know, George won the UNANU or won the

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majority decision in that fight, but that was a fight

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that really, you know, I think a lot of people

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felt like he was lucky to escape with that win.

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that was the only fight of twenty three and George's

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only fight of twenty four in his home country in Perth, Australia,

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he fought Vasili Lomachenko for the IBF vacant lightweight title,

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because remember Devin Haney ultimately vacated the undersprated title and

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went up to his own business at one hundred and

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forty pounds, and Cambos's got dominated and knocked out in

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the eleventh round by Lomachenko, who hasn't thought since then

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because of his own the injury issues. So George is

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coming off, you know, a ten month layoff of getting

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knocked out by Lomachenkoh and he's fighting, as you mentioned,

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a countryman named Jake Wiley. Now, originally he was supposed

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to fight, you know, a veteran contender, Dowd Jordan, who

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I joked to you and they made the fight. Had

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been not in my consciousness for so many years. I

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actually thought when they made the fight he was Fudy

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Dowd Jordan's son, because I covered JORDIAU Dam when he

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was fucking a junior featherweight like twelve fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: No, No, same guy.

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Speaker 4: Same guy. So unfortunately, if you're a Dowd your Dan supporter,

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he had to go to the hospital for some under

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closed medical reason in his home country in Indonesia, and

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he was not able to participate in the fight. So

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on the last minute, just in like the last five

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or six days, maybe even about four days. Maybe they

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got a fighter named Jake Wiley, a twenty four year

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old Australian fighter who's sixteen to one with fifteen knockout

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says to replace your Dan. So he's a completely unknown guy.

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I'd be less than honest if I ever said I

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ever heard of Jake Wiley until I saw his name

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announced as the new opponent for Cambo's. So I know

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very little.

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Speaker 2: And if you haven't heard of him, then the rest

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of us.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's not you know, not necessarily, but if

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you take a look at the record, you know he

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hasn't fought in anybody. He's coming off of a no contest

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that was due to a headbutt where his opponent suffered

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a cut, so that was sort of inconclusive, a third

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round no contest and an eight rounder. The good thing

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about it, though, is that at least he's been active

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because that fight I just mentioned, he wasn't. It wasn't

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Wiley that was cut, it was the opponent that was

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only a month ago. So he's right back in the rings,

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so he was close to when he accepted the fight.

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I imagine and and ready to roll. And he has

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been active. He had several fights in twenty twenty four,

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won two three four fights in twenty twenty four. From

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that standpoint, but again he's fighting six to eight rounders,

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one ten rounder. This is now He's going to be

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in his first ever twelve rounder. So based on the

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level of opponent, he looks like he's out of his depth.

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But George has also not been the most impressive in

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his fights. But this was always intended, even when your

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Dan was the opponent. It was supposed to be, you know,

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theoretically a get well fight for you know, a popular

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figure who is in need of a victory. So we'll

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see if he can do the do the job.

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Speaker 2: All right again, wake up, let me let.

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Speaker 4: Me just make the point. If George Kimbos is the winner,

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the reason why this is such a pivotal fight for him,

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whether he's fighting Wiley or your Dan, is if he wins,

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come this summer, he's going to be fighting Richardson Hitchins

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for the IBF title.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, all right again, that's early Saturday morning US time,

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Saturday night in Australia on Matt s Troom's disown show

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as your time zone accordingly, watch it time displaced later

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in the morning.

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Speaker 2: If that's the case for that coming.

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Speaker 3: Up all right, So up next now is your conversation

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with the WBO Welterweight Champion Brian Norman. He is fighting

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someone named Derek Quavis that is coming now in a

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couple of weeks on March the twenty ninth in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Next week, man, man, next week, next week.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to get all my day straight.

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Speaker 3: So next weekend, next Saturday, this title fight will take place.

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Let's get into that conversation that you had with him

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right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to welcome to our podcast.

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Speaker 4: This week it is the WBO Welterweight world Champion, Brian

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Norman Junior, and Brian, I will tell the people what

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you got coming up. You're gonna make your first title

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defense against Derek Qavis. You'll be fighting on the MICHAELA.

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Mayor Sandy Ryan rematch card that takes place March twenty ninth,

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live on ESPN Plus at the beautiful Fontaine Blue in

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Las Vegas. Welcome to the show. So I've never interviewed

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you before, so pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: And it's out to you and live all right.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing you back in action. It's

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been a little bit. You were impressed of Brian in

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your in your last fight that was in May of

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last year. You went to the hometown of the undefeated

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Giovanni Santition. You took it to him. You dominated most

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of the fight. You bloodied them up, dropped them twice

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in the tenth round, got the stoppage later in the

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tenth round, took away the perfect record. That's a big

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moment for anybody. You won the interim title. Can you

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describe that moment as obviously at that point got to

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be the biggest moment of your boxing career so far.

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Speaker 5: It is the biggest moment of my boxing career.

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Speaker 6: The crazy part is after I won it, I was

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expecting this big old, this big feeling, but for some reason,

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I never got it. And then that's when I realized

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my my dreams, I'm much bigger than just being a

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champion is. That's one step to it. But to be

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a legend, you gotta keep coming back and back and

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back again. Panell Whittiko once said, you can't become a champion,

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but it's harder to defend the belt so much for

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the ninth it's my time to defend that belt.

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Speaker 4: But when you did get the belt wrapped around you,

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were you thinking, like, you know, I've made it. I

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know it was you know, at the time it was

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the interim title. You were later elevated, but still that's

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a big moment. You're in the hometown, you're the underdog.

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A lot of people really didn't know much ABOUTUE other

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than you at that time, were considered, you know, a

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good undefeated, up and coming prospect.

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Speaker 6: It was a big relief off my shoulders of like

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you said, I finally made it. I'm finally a champion.

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So it just will step in a long journey, that's all.

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Speaker 4: So you got that belt in that fight, but as

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I mentioned, it was for the interim title in August,

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so that's a few months later when Terrence Crawford moved up.

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They know, they elevated you to the full champion of

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the WB and I was like, I've talked to different

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fighters about that in the past. I know it's a

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wonderful thing to be a world champion, but is there

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any element of disappointment that you didn't get it in

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the ring. They didn't get to say the ring announcer

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the new champ in the world, not the new interim

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champ of the world. Then, as some fans are very

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derisive about it, the email champ, even though I don't

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particularly view it that way. You know, you just followed

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the rules this one.

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Speaker 6: I would not say it's an email champion at all,

474
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,680
simply because if Tamas Crawford didn't have the fight, obviously

475
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000
he was moving up to fifty four, like he wasn't

476
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
even thinking about coming back down to forty seven, So

477
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,319
who would I Who would I have fought if it

478
00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,279
wasn't for Jaill Vonny. He was number one, he was

479
00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:26,680
next to line. So that was my championship fight. So

480
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,359
I would never say it was an email champion. I

481
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,960
didn't fight a guy that was way down the list

482
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,119
and just got so happy to get blessed with a

483
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,720
built anything at all I read that was me fight

484
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:37,839
for my belt right there.

485
00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 4: There was a lot of talk that after that that

486
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,839
your first defense was going to be against Boots Tennis,

487
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,480
the IBF champion, and there was conversation between your side

488
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:50,880
and his side match from Boxing Top ranking your team

489
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
about maybe going to Philadelphia to do that fight. That

490
00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:55,880
would have that gets those talks were, or the fight

491
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,400
would have been if it took place in early November. Look,

492
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,039
he was you know you were. I'm told you were willing.

493
00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:04,720
Your team was willing. Obviously Boots and his team that

494
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:06,799
match room, they were willing. It ends up, like a

495
00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:09,240
lot of unfortunate things in boxing, things fall apart over

496
00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:12,079
the money. He wound up doing the mandatory against a

497
00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:14,200
guy you already beat that really nobody cared to see.

498
00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,000
Everybody had opinion. Everybody had an opinion about that. You know, Brian,

499
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,759
it was like you should have taken it. You know,

500
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,079
the promoter low balled you in the offer. You were

501
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,279
only you know, a few hundred thousand dollars apart. What

502
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,400
was your take on the whole situation as the guy

503
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,839
that was going to be half of that fight if

504
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,640
it had taken place.

505
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,759
Speaker 6: If you listen to what the people say, well, the

506
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,319
people will say that you are worth you will be

507
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,039
worth nothing. You will be the Brokens person possible and

508
00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:40,240
you will be the bottom of the barrel. If you

509
00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:42,440
know who you are, you know what you deserve, and

510
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,200
you are what you say you are, you will show

511
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,039
and improve yourself every day, and you won't go for

512
00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:52,839
anything less than that. We like you just said it

513
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,759
was gonna fight in his city. He didn't want to

514
00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,240
pay the money standing on its is not fighting in

515
00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,720
his city, is getting paid more than I would have

516
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,039
uh one fifty four. He was talking about fighting Charles Conwell.

517
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,680
He offered he low balled him as well. But now

518
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,279
when he get up his biggest payday, which was five

519
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,240
million versus Virgil Ortiz, a much bigger fight, he say no.

520
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:17,799
So people try to come at me about that. So

521
00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:19,440
what they said about him, I thought, you want to

522
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720
go to one fifty four. You already offer somebody to

523
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,759
fight at one fifty four for minuscule of money, but

524
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,200
now you get offered the biggest fight payday of your

525
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,319
life at the same weight class and you say no.

526
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,799
Speaker 5: So who is really the one who is not trying

527
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:34,920
to fight? But that's besides the point.

528
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,319
Speaker 6: March twenty ninth, I have a fight against Derreck Quavez,

529
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,480
very tough competitor. He want to come and try to

530
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,720
take my head off. I'm the new champion. I'm the

531
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,799
one that got to defend my bill in the beautiful

532
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,720
city of Las Vegas at the Fountain Blue it's time

533
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,640
for me to show the word of who Brian Nomle Jr.

534
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,079
Speaker 5: Is and that this is my division.

535
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 4: Well, you just mentioned you're making this defense against Derek Quavis.

536
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,440
This fight was originally scheduled for October that was going

537
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,359
to take place in Norfolk, Virginia on the Keishan Davis Carr.

538
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,599
He was making a fight in his hometown for the

539
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,400
first time as a professional. Uh, you had to withdraw

540
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
from that fight, postponed the fight until this upcoming date

541
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,680
because you had a hand injury. I guess that that

542
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,599
you that it got a previous injury had been exacerbated

543
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,440
in your training camp. I know you had had previous

544
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,039
surgery in that How disappointing was it that you had

545
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:22,480
won this big fight against Santa on your geared up

546
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,599
to get back in there for your first defense. Let

547
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,039
everybody see that there was no accident what you did

548
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,839
against Santion and then it gets short circuited because of

549
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,359
an injury.

550
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 5: It was. It was hard on me at the time.

551
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 6: I was I was devastated, I will say that, but

552
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,400
I feel like everything happened for a reason. Think about it, yo,

553
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,640
you just you just defeated all the eyes and you

554
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,279
just became a champion, beat somebody in their own city

555
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,799
in front of them. You were supposed to lose the fight.

556
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,359
Everything was against you. So now you beat those us,

557
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:55,279
then your first title defense is in the fighting city

558
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,839
is Las Vegas. Come on, Ain't nothing better than that?

559
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,640
So actually I'll see it as a blessing. Then, even

560
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,519
with the injury, I finally had to take time off

561
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,559
to fully heal myself, fully heal my body.

562
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 5: Take time off.

563
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:09,079
Speaker 6: And and sitting back and stop being so physical and

564
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:12,359
think about the mental aspect, get everything together mentally, and

565
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,200
I'm on point. So I got it, I got I

566
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:20,799
got everything lined up. I'm not slipping at all. I'm

567
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,839
mentally there, mental cliff and now march to the knight

568
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,680
for time to show the world what I have been

569
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,839
put all the work I've been putting in, even after

570
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,480
winning the built.

571
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,839
Speaker 4: It sounds like you're saying that that situation with the

572
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:33,960
postponeing and the injury is almost like it's silver lining.

573
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,079
You get to rest a little bit, and you know,

574
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,559
and they're in a good situation this time. Right now

575
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,920
you're the uh you know, you're you're in Vegas, like

576
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,519
you said, and big things potentially ahead of you, So

577
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,000
is it Did you take it like that, like you know,

578
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,000
this is the end of the world.

579
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,799
Speaker 6: At first, I did think it was the end of

580
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,680
the world, I will say that, But after a while,

581
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,279
my whole thing was just take it day by day,

582
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,920
just keep doing the right things today, and eventually, you know,

583
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:00,000
you can get back in get back in the game.

584
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,039
Speaker 5: You can get back to doing what you're supposed to do.

585
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,319
Speaker 6: And now I followed the blueprint, I fought the game plan,

586
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960
and here we are again.

587
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,519
Speaker 5: Another day is passing against us.

588
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 6: My hands are healthy, everything is healthy, and now I

589
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,640
get to keep doing what I do well.

590
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask about that because again, because you

591
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,759
had had the injury, but it was it was I

592
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:21,839
guess from my understanding was you would have any previous

593
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,240
surgery on that hand, and then you injured in the

594
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,799
camp getting ready. I wondered to myself, is this going

595
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,680
to be a problem for you, uh, you know, in

596
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:32,000
the long term going forward, or is it just a

597
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:33,880
matter of, you know what, Maybe I've got a little

598
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,400
bit of issue, Like every boxer's got hand issues from

599
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,240
time to time, and it's just the kind of thing

600
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,279
you got to keep on top of make sure you

601
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:41,640
know you take care of it the right way, make

602
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,839
sure the hands are always wrapped the right way, or

603
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,079
is this too this has passed now when it's not

604
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,759
an issue.

605
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: I'm just taking the day by day. Right now, everything

606
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,240
is all fine and dandy. I'm doing I'm taking every

607
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,079
percaution possible, like you said, wrapping my hands the right way,

608
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,319
make a sean, taking care of them, icing them, whatever

609
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,960
the case may be, and I making sure day by

610
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,920
day I'm doing the right thing that I'm supposed to do.

611
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,559
I can't tell the future. I'm a knock on wood.

612
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,279
Hopefully God got me. You know, I have no more

613
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000
hand injuries. I have no more interest at all, and

614
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:14,240
I get just keep coming out shore in the world.

615
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:15,920
If I can fight four or five times a year

616
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,559
with no injuries anything at all, trust to believe I'll

617
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:18,839
do it.

618
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: I'd be a pretty pretty busy schedule. And he got

619
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,160
Derek Wavis first up. Obviously. He is twenty seven to

620
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,720
one and one. He has nineteen knockouts. A Puerto Rican fighter,

621
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,319
he has won four fights in a row by knockout.

622
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,319
What else can you tell me about Derek Wavis? What

623
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,839
do you expect to kind of fight from him. When

624
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:36,640
you get into the ring.

625
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,519
Speaker 6: I believe he's going to try to come in very hard,

626
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,920
very heavy, and try to press the action, and I'm

627
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,680
gonna slow all of that down very very quickly. And

628
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,200
if you want to go for it, let's go for it.

629
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:52,599
You want to see it right down to pocket and

630
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,720
throw these things we can do.

631
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: That sounds like you're trying to make it an interesting fight.

632
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,240
You're in a division that has become more interesting. It

633
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,319
had an established group of fighters that had been sort

634
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,960
of ruling the ruse for a long time. Terrence Crawford

635
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,400
became the undisputed champion, moved up in wait and obviously

636
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,359
left it behind with the way he defeated Errol Spence

637
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,599
kind of took Errol out of the situation. He's gonna

638
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,400
move up if he ever fights again. And then you

639
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,039
got a lot of other guys that had big names

640
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,160
that were doing, you know, big fights all along. I'm

641
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,640
thinking about guys like Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman and

642
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Sean Porter and kel Brooke, and those guys have either

643
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,079
all retired moved up to different weight classes and sort

644
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,079
of opened this division up for the new group of guys,

645
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,319
it's yourself with the WBO title. You got Mario Barrios,

646
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,640
who's been in a series of entertaining fights. He's the

647
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,319
WBC champion. As you mentioned, he got Boots Ennis and

648
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,400
Amanta stanionis the IBF and the WBA champions. They are

649
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
fighting each other on April twelfth on a unification fight.

650
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
What's your take on the sort of the new blood

651
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
in your division. You're one of the youngest champions in

652
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,240
the whole sport right now in any way class.

653
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: I think imb youngest championship.

654
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,559
Speaker 4: I think you actually admit now that you say that,

655
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:00,759
I think you are. It's funny worked when you got

656
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,480
the dolt from when you beat Santoine, you were definitely

657
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,839
at twenty three when they elevated. You're the youngest at

658
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:07,880
twenty four. I'd have to check that, but you're certainly

659
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,000
among If you're not the youngest, you're a couple, you know,

660
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:11,799
just a couple of you.

661
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:12,839
Speaker 1: In that in that stage.

662
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: So he is the youngest.

663
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:16,279
Speaker 1: There you go.

664
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: I'll tell my listeners that is the voice of God.

665
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,359
That is Joline Mason, the matature of Brian Norman chiming in.

666
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,880
But anyway, so like I was mentioning about the state

667
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160
of your weight class. What is your take on sort

668
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,240
of the new blood that's in this weight division at

669
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:30,559
the top.

670
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 6: It's all about timing. Like you just said, everybody literally

671
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,759
just left. So now the new blood is in. It's

672
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,640
time for us to make our name. It's time for

673
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,440
us to make our career. And not even just the

674
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,640
champions right now, you got guys coming up. You know

675
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,799
about the Ryan Garcia is, the Devin Hayndes. Even till

676
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,799
Femo he talked about coming up. So I think one

677
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,440
Ford said it is about to start, you know, making

678
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,960
the name for himself again. And I feel like I

679
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,759
know for a fact, I'm about to be the top

680
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,680
one on the one be at the top, and it

681
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,160
will be me.

682
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I can understand the confidence.

683
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: I wonder when you think about about the guys you

684
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,160
mentioned about the other champions, what what do you see

685
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,359
like for your big fight. I know you got Aquavius

686
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,599
and that's no joke. You gotta take care of that business.

687
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,279
But there was the conversations about the previous unification. The

688
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,559
winner of April twelfth would be there with two titles.

689
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Uh maybe if maybe it could be renegotiative Boots is

690
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,759
the winner or perhaps the standing onis. What is your

691
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:28,200
thought about the big step that you'd like to make

692
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,440
if everything goes well for you against Quavers?

693
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 6: Simply just any big name possible, like all the names.

694
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480
I was just saying, all the other champions be real

695
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,119
to day b C belt. That's the It hold a

696
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,359
special place in my heart and I need that. Like

697
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,920
I said, I look up the floorid a lot, Ali, Sugar,

698
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Rayland and all of them. They always had the double

699
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,119
BC belt with them and I need that under me

700
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240
as well. But I feel like not one fight to

701
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,599
find your career, It's all about stacking them up back

702
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,359
to back to back. So just give me everybody. I

703
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,200
don't care you Like I said, back to back, I

704
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240
don't care. I could still fight all of them five

705
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,559
times a year as well. I'm always in the gym.

706
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,480
I'll recover fast.

707
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 5: I'm young.

708
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,039
Speaker 6: I'm the youngest of them all, so that proves how

709
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,559
great I am as is I'm the youngest champion of

710
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:16,759
boxing right now. And then the possibilities, in the potential

711
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400
is in this. That's literally how I see myself. And

712
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,480
then I became a champion while not fully being being

713
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,440
myself because I was dealing with old injuries, very mint

714
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,000
of injuries, but identical with injuries as well. So I

715
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,559
came this far not even fully being Brian Noma Jr.

716
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,440
So now's there.

717
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: It sounds like when you were talking about your dreams

718
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,920
of a WBC title that would mean if you had

719
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160
your choice and you could just wave the wine, you'd

720
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,279
love to fight Mario Barrios in the unification most definitely.

721
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,799
Speaker 6: I mean, he don't got anything set up at the moment,

722
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640
but we'll we'll speak on the next fight after that.

723
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,759
Who knows, something may shake up, somebody may come to

724
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,160
one for the SAP and somebody may come down for

725
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:56,960
one fifty four.

726
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,039
Speaker 5: But right now, I'm gonna focus on everything day by day,

727
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,920
marched for the life.

728
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,279
Speaker 6: I gotta take care of that or whatever happens next,

729
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480
I would be prepared for that battle as well.

730
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: All right.

731
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,039
Speaker 4: So when you fight Quavis in your in your first

732
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,119
title defense, you know you're still not I mean, for

733
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,119
a guy that performs so well against Santion, you're still

734
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,759
not that well known. I mean, I've watched a lot

735
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:18,480
of your fights because I'm a junkie and watch all

736
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:21,279
your bouts on you know the ESPN plus preliminaries, but

737
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,839
most people, I don't think, are that Dieard. So when

738
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,200
a lot of folks do tune in to watch an

739
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,000
excellent rematch in the main event, plus yourself in your

740
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,359
defense in the co feature, what do you want the

741
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,279
public to see from Brian Norman? Because I haven't seen

742
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,279
you much at all, and they certainly haven't seen you

743
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,279
since you won that fight against Santion.

744
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: I wouldn't to see my hustle. I wouldn't to see

745
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,519
my skills. You said you was watching all my fights.

746
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,759
Would you say that you've seen approven over time?

747
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,559
Speaker 1: Most definitely.

748
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: I have known the Top Right matchmaker, Brad Goodman for

749
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,359
almost thirty years, and I actually had a conversation with him.

750
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,599
I said I had watched Brian Norman many many times,

751
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,799
and to be quite honestly, came away sort of with

752
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,440
a lot of the hype that you had gotten, thinking

753
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,920
to myself, I haven't seen it quite yet. I saw

754
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,920
it in the Santon fight.

755
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: Mhm. I agree.

756
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,759
Speaker 6: I feel like all my my first few fights with

757
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,519
top rank they was all sub par.

758
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 5: I personally don't like them at all myself.

759
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,839
Speaker 6: And then it finally came together with Joe Vonny, But

760
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:22,200
even with that one, I'm way better than that as well.

761
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400
So I finally had time off the hill, and you know,

762
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,319
train how I want to train, to do what I

763
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,519
need to do, and you will still only see a

764
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,359
little potential of what I can do. Like I said,

765
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
I'm only twenty folk. Magine when I hit my prime.

766
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,839
Imagine as the years goes on, what's next, what's after that?

767
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,160
I learned a lot and trying to catch for this fight.

768
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,880
I'm gonna learn something else after this. After I fight

769
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Derek quaba As, I pretty sure I'm gonna learn something

770
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,200
against him. And guess what, I'm taking it to the

771
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
next fight. Take it to the next fight. And no

772
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,640
matter what, I'm still going, I'm still on my on

773
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,839
my p's and q's and playing the simple. I'm a

774
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,519
future Hall of Famer, I'm a future legend in this game,

775
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,680
and just going forward to say, yeah, it is me

776
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:02,000
righting well.

777
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:03,759
Speaker 4: I like the confidence and as I like to say,

778
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:05,799
it is a marathon, not a sprint. So I will

779
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,199
look forward to watching you on March twenty ninth and

780
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,480
wish you the best luck Brian, and I appreciate your

781
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,960
time today.

782
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:11,679
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

783
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,519
Speaker 5: I appreciate you. Dan Man.

784
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,199
Speaker 3: Fascinating story again. He won an interim title, he got elevated,

785
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,000
and now he's a player for the moment of this division.

786
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,559
But he's a player with question mark because of injury.

787
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,199
That's part of the way. And see here for this

788
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,960
fight with the with the opponent, Quavas.

789
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if I look at it like that.

790
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,719
I mean, he had a previous hand surgery that was

791
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,159
fixed up, and then when he was preparing for this

792
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,679
Quavis fight that was supposed to take place at the

793
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,760
end of last year, you know, it wasn't quite right.

794
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,039
They told her just lay off a little bit. But

795
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,960
he's you know, I think supposedly everything is fine, So

796
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,239
it's not like it was nothing serious. Fighters are always

797
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440
gonna have hand problems, but this is really the opportunity

798
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,000
to shine, to show the world that that win over

799
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,239
Santan was no accident. Remember before this fight was became

800
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,639
a thing, there was a lot of conversation. He would

801
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,519
challenge Bootennis. They tried to make the deal, they were

802
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,000
unhappy with the money and and end up happening. So

803
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:02,400
now he's kind of got to put his money where

804
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,480
his mouth Is. If he wins the fight, he'll be

805
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,360
in a good position to have another significant walterweight fight,

806
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,719
potentially against the winner of Stanionis against Ennis, if that's

807
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,840
a fight that the two promoters can get together and make.

808
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,519
He seemed ready, willing and able. He was a very

809
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,000
good interview. I liked his uh like, I liked his confidence,

810
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,719
but it didn't come off as cocky that make when

811
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,480
a guy tells you I'm like the greatest thing in

812
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,559
the division, usually think, you know, he's kind of a

813
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,119
prick when he says it. But he didn't come off

814
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,039
like that. He came off as like it sounded more

815
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,079
like like he really believes it and was genuine and

816
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,559
not trying to stick it up everybody's uh, you know,

817
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,320
stick it in everybody's face about it. I thought he

818
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,679
I thought he handled himself well. And again, I as

819
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,519
I said to him before we start to record the interview,

820
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,519
I had never I had never interviewed him before, so

821
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,760
it was my first time and I came away quite

822
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,679
impressed with the young man.

823
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: All right out of the Atlanta's Georgia area.

824
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,599
Speaker 3: And again that fight coming not this weekend, but next

825
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,440
weekend on the twenty nine, on the undercard of the

826
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:59,000
Mikhayla Mehra Sandy Ryan rematch that's up there exactly, So

827
00:35:59,119 --> 00:35:59,920
we're interested on.

828
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: All of that.

829
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: All right, news and then some.

830
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,159
Speaker 3: World class nostalgia is coming. All right, So Rayfiel puts

831
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:12,800
down on my rundown, Tank, Roach, I have an update.

832
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,920
This is your reporting. So Tank and Roach? Are they

833
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
going to be fighting by Halloween? Because this is boxing

834
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,400
after all?

835
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,079
Speaker 1: Wait?

836
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, could they maybe be fighting by the start

837
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,679
of the football season? Are Tank and Roach going to

838
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,639
be starting like when it's the dog days of baseball

839
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,880
in August? Or wait a minute, what have you found

840
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,360
out on the rematch of Gervonte Davis and Lamont Roach,

841
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,559
who correct me if I'm wrong, only fought a couple

842
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:38,159
of weeks ago.

843
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,039
Speaker 2: What have you found out?

844
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,119
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, they both talked about the rematch

845
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,199
right away after it happened the draw. Tank was even

846
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,840
saying he'd liked to do it by May, as I said,

847
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,719
and I think others also looked. That was a good sentiment,

848
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,119
but very aggressive, highly unlikely it would be in May.

849
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,599
But what I have reporting is that they are very

850
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,679
I think the deal has agreed to because there was

851
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,400
there was language in the original contract, you know, and

852
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480
I wasn't sure about this if the rematch language was

853
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,239
an event of a loss. But apparently the rematch covered

854
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,519
a draw as well, which was smart by the promoters.

855
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,239
So they were locked in at their money, and you know,

856
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,119
things were all basically set up. So Tank did exercise

857
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:16,320
the right to his rematch, which what I was told

858
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,719
by both sides. And they're going to go forward with

859
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,159
the fight now. Again it's not announced yet, it's not official,

860
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,599
but what I am told is that they're planning this

861
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:24,920
fight for June twenty first.

862
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: The location, it's not just first for the All Star Break.

863
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,159
Speaker 2: Yes, June. You didn't say July twenty first. I'm just checking.

864
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,000
You didn't say September twenty first.

865
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: Tank Davis may fight three times in twenty twenty five,

866
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:42,960
like he's been saying.

867
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 4: Because let's get the second fight.

868
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you, But.

869
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,519
Speaker 3: The you've been you've been poking around this appears to

870
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,079
be legit for ninety days from now.

871
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,199
Speaker 4: No, it's legit. June twenty first is what's penciled in.

872
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,119
It's the only question right now from what I'm told

873
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,519
is that they're just determining where the fight's going to be.

874
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,800
The sentiment was to have the fight in Vegas. I

875
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,440
know there are some people involved that would still like

876
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,559
to at least explore the possibility of having it somewhere

877
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,159
in the Washington Baltimore area where both of the fighters

878
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,199
are from. Obviously a big star in DC, and Lamont's

879
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,440
from DC and Tank is from Baltimore where he's got

880
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,119
his fans as well as Washington. But it more likely

881
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,199
looks like it's going to be Vegas. And to add

882
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:18,880
a little bit of credence to that, and this is

883
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,360
not something that's a guarantee, but there is. The Nevada

884
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,039
State Atletic Commission has a their monthly meeting comes up

885
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,840
next week. And on that agenda, which I just received,

886
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,960
you know, I get those agendas every every month when

887
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,159
they put them out, and I received that on Wednesday evening.

888
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:35,840
And on that agenda, one of the items is a

889
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,960
request by TG Promotion TGB Promotions for the date of

890
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,880
January of rather June twenty first, at the T Mobile Arena.

891
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,320
It doesn't specify a fight, but what it does say

892
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,039
is for possible, you know, for that Commission to rule

893
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,079
on that, and it was explained it's just said also

894
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,880
for pay per view, which obviously is what Tank and

895
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,880
Roach wud be. So you know from what I was told.

896
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,840
You read the tea leaves to see what the agenda says.

897
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,559
You know, I went write it in pencil, in ink,

898
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,119
but I might write it in pencil. June twenty first

899
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:08,519
Team Obile Arena, Tank, Davis, Lamont, Roach Renatch. Let's settle

900
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,360
the score on this crazy drave I like it.

901
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: I like it.

902
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 3: Let's get it back going this summer still fresh, still relevant?

903
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, more news.

904
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: So the International Olympic Committee executive board has been pondering

905
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,840
is boxing gone or is boxing still going to be

906
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,840
in the twenty twenty eighth summer Los Angeles Olympics. And

907
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,880
so now they have basically voted, as the executive board

908
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,639
they want to keep boxing, if I if I understand correctly,

909
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,119
they had to vote to keep it, right because they

910
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,039
were looking to nix it. So what is the next

911
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,480
step here? Because we still have a little time. It's

912
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,639
only twenty twenty five right now, but we still have

913
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:46,760
a little time to make this happen.

914
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,519
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I mean, but if you're going to have

915
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,559
any sport in the Olympics, in twenty eight. You have

916
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,159
to all the amateur programs need to know about that,

917
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:55,920
the federations of each country, because i got to do

918
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,079
their qualifying tournaments.

919
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: That takes time.

920
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 4: But the bottom line was because i E was a

921
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,000
corrupt bunch of pieces of shit who ran the fucking

922
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,880
Olympic boxing into the ground over the last several Olympics

923
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,239
and got suspended for their corruption and basically had their

924
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,079
charter taken away from them by the IOC.

925
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:12,599
Speaker 1: You know, when you can.

926
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 4: Say that somebody makes the IOC look like good guys,

927
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,960
you know how bad they really are. Okay, IIBA was

928
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,400
a fucking joke. The way they handle it.

929
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,159
Speaker 3: They were great, great zing by Ray Daniel, not just cool,

930
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,199
top notch, keep going.

931
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: They questioned about how they dealt with the refereeing, with

932
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,079
the judging, with the way they've conducted their finances. Everything

933
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,400
about IBA was a fucking joke for the most part,

934
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,239
everything other than the fighting hearts of the boxers who

935
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,239
were getting fucked left and right by the way their

936
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,159
judges handled the scoring of these events. So finally, finally, finally,

937
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,920
they basically were banished and the IOC itself had to

938
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,159
take over and run the tournament in the delayed Olympics

939
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:51,840
that took place in twenty one, and you know, they

940
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,920
were supposed to be in twenty but for COVID they

941
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,719
took place in Tokyo. And then the IOC also oversaw

942
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,239
the tournament that took place in the Paris Games in

943
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,440
twenty twenty five or now. I thought watching both of

944
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,960
those tournaments that relative to other tournaments, there was not

945
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,760
a lot of like controversial scoring, no like ridiculous international

946
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
incidents like we've seen. You know, there was no Michael

947
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,960
Commons standing in the ring giving the finger to the

948
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,199
judges and the referees and all that, right, I mean

949
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,920
by relative terms, that ran someone's movie. But the IOC

950
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,639
was unwilling to take on that responsibility again. And there

951
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,159
was a real strong possibility that the Olympic tournament in

952
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,880
boxing men and women would be dropped from the Games,

953
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,920
which to me would be a horrible thing for the

954
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,480
sport because that's where you find. The next group of

955
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,199
stars are the Olympians. You can go chapter and verse

956
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,239
of who the top fighters are in the pros. They

957
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,840
get their start and they get their first attention by

958
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,679
the public in the Olympics. Even if it's not what

959
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,360
it once was. That's the first thing. The second thing

960
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,000
is they had to find another group willing to oversee it.

961
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,320
If the IOC wasn't going to do it, they had

962
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,760
to not only find a group willing to do it,

963
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,039
but that the IOC would have to accept that group organization.

964
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,800
So finally, if they fast forward to like the early

965
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,920
part of twenty twenty three, not only was had a

966
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,039
EBA been suspended, they were basically stripped and said you're out,

967
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,320
You're not gonna you can't do it anymore. They basically

968
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,800
dissolved their ability to oversee the Olympic tournament. There was

969
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,239
another organization that sprang up called World Boxing, and that

970
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,519
was a matter of you have to go to each

971
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,440
individual country. They have to throw their support behind you.

972
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:30,159
Their national Olympic committee has to get behind it. One

973
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,920
of the people that was intimately involved and really really

974
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,039
very heavily involved in making this happen was Gnadi Glufkin,

975
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,760
who was in charge of the Olympic Committee in Kazakhstanbandy.

976
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:40,639
You know, he lobbied and dealt with a lot of

977
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:43,920
the other countries anyway, day by day, week by week,

978
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,440
month by month. They were getting various other countries federations

979
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:50,559
in boxing to sign up to be involved with World Boxing,

980
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,039
and they got enough countries behind them to convince the

981
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,360
IOC that they were legit and that they had a

982
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,159
good plan and they knew what they were doing, et cetera.

983
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,480
And so in Greece earlier this week there was this

984
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,639
IOC meeting and it was at that board meeting, of

985
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:09,280
their executive board meeting where they voted to include boxing

986
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,199
on the twenty twenty eight Los Angeles Olympic program. Now

987
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,960
they still have to put it to a vote of

988
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,199
the full IOC, but my understanding and doing my reading

989
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,480
and talking to a few people, if the IOC Executive

990
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:26,599
Board blesses something, it's a formality, so they'll bring it

991
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:28,599
before their full body at some point. I don't know

992
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,000
when that's going to be, and the full IOC will vote,

993
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,079
but boxing will be in the twenty twenty eight Olympics.

994
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,199
That is an amazing thing that is very good for

995
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,840
the sport. Boxing has been in the Olympics. I this

996
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,519
I wasn't aware of in terms of it. I didn't

997
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,000
remember when this was. I looked as up Google as

998
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:47,960
your friend. The first quote unquote modern Olympics. Eighteen ninety six,

999
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,039
boxing was in it and has been in the Olympics

1000
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:54,360
since nineteen oh four. The only time boxing wasn't in

1001
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,880
the Olympics was in twenty twelve, and that's because the

1002
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,559
Olympics were held in Sweden or boxing was against the

1003
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:01,320
law at the time.

1004
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,079
Speaker 2: Not two thousand and nineteen.

1005
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: Twelve, nineteen twelve, right, So but other than that, it's

1006
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,000
been there. And the thing I keep parking back to

1007
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,320
when you're saying, this is my god, when we get there,

1008
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,400
it will have been forty four years earlier, or actually

1009
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,800
forty four years earlier, right nineteen eighty four in the

1010
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,280
Los Angeles Games with all the Olympians, and granted the

1011
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,760
Eastern Block, the Russians and the Eastern Bloc were not

1012
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,719
there because they boycotted.

1013
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: But that's the game that produced Yes.

1014
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Maldrick Taylor, who we're going to talk about in

1015
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,440
a few minutes, Yes, the Hill. So it's kind of symmetrical,

1016
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,000
if you will, that Los Angeles will have boxing and

1017
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,079
maybe the United States will have attacked together maybe not.

1018
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Did not have boxing. Olympics. To me, was that right?

1019
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: A mind boggling thing when you think about the biggest

1020
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,679
superstars who ever walked the face of the earth in

1021
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,320
terms of boxing. Sure, most of them were Olympians, right

1022
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,599
Noe Frasier, Org Foreman, Sugar Ray, Leonard, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones,

1023
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,760
Oscar del Oya, Floyd Mayweather, Lennox Lewis, Vladimir Klitschko, Alexander

1024
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,519
Usik for Sally Lamachenko. I mean I could see here

1025
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,000
and go on for an hour about the top Olympians,

1026
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,679
Uh that participated, But some of them became the biggest

1027
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,199
fighters in the history of the sport, and they got

1028
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,320
their their start like there would. Oscar de la Hoya

1029
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,840
would not have been the Oscar that we have come

1030
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,440
to know through his boxing unless he had won the

1031
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,000
gold medal.

1032
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,199
Speaker 2: And I was the Golden Boy because of that.

1033
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: Been the same thing with Ali.

1034
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: He still may have been a great fighter and been

1035
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,039
the heavyweight champ, but it wouldn't have been the same

1036
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:35,119
story without the Games.

1037
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Love that all right?

1038
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:40,639
Speaker 3: More news as we skewed along, Uh, Turkey, Ali Chic

1039
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,360
and the Saudi Entertainment Authority are putting on this Canelo

1040
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Alvarez William Skull a Saudi Arabia main event for Saturday

1041
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,519
night May third, and the undercard has now been announced.

1042
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,239
Is there anything worthwhile my friend off of this undercard.

1043
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a pretty good card.

1044
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: I mean, look, being honest, I don't think it's as

1045
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880
loaded the way it was with some of the other shows,

1046
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,079
but I think Dasca's Canelo has taking so much of

1047
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,239
the money. But nonetheless, look they're doing. Some of the

1048
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,920
fights are not a surprise. We already talked about. And

1049
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,960
actually Turkey, before he put out the formal announcement of

1050
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
the full undercard, had already said, I mean a couple

1051
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,199
of weeks ago, I guess that they were doing the

1052
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,159
rematch Team Brunos Serrase and Himan Mugee was gonna be

1053
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,119
on this cards, but that is now official that card,

1054
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:27,840
the Canel card, will include that rematch. Also, in recent days,

1055
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400
several of us have reported about the heavyweight fight that

1056
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:34,519
was going to be done between Martin Bacolei and Faa Jagua.

1057
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,800
No longer a title eliminator like it would have been

1058
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320
when it was originally scheduled for the Times Square card

1059
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,880
because Bacoli got knocked out, but they're still going forward,

1060
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,400
so a Jagua and Bacoli will also fight and They

1061
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,239
also added another title fight, giving you a second orld

1062
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,639
title fight for the show, which is the WBC Cruiserweight

1063
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,039
Champion bad Dude Jack, who is due to make his

1064
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:56,880
mandatory against the Canadian fighter Ryan Roziki. Ryan Roziki's promoter

1065
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,199
Three Lions Promotions, with base in Canada, which is where

1066
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:00,679
Ryan is from.

1067
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,679
Speaker 1: He's from Nova Scotia.

1068
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 4: Their team had won the PERSPID and the WBC and

1069
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,159
the Three Alliance people were of the beliefs or the

1070
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,480
three Lines people were planning in the WBCC had said

1071
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,679
that that fight was going to be in like April

1072
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,400
twenty sixth in Nova Scotia. But obviously they went and

1073
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,440
made a deal with Turkey and now this fight will

1074
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,199
be on this undercard. They'll just move it a week

1075
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,159
later and it'll take place instead of in Canada, it'll

1076
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,159
take place in Saudi Arabia. And I am sure that

1077
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,360
Ryan Roziki and Badu Jack both will be making a

1078
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,239
tremendously bigger person they would have if it was done

1079
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,639
under the perspit, which if my memory serves, the PERSPID

1080
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,280
was one for like three hundred and something thousand dollars.

1081
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,280
I promise you both of them are making a lot

1082
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,800
more than that. So that's that's another title fight on

1083
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,800
the card. And then you have two sort of what

1084
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,360
I they're the prospect fights. You got the professional debut

1085
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,119
of Marco Verde, who is an Eddie renosso not trained fighter.

1086
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,079
Eddie Renoso is not his trainer. He's the manager as

1087
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,039
opposed to the trainer, and he's making his professional debut.

1088
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,960
He's a Mexican Olympian who Eddie says flat out and

1089
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,519
has been saying ever since the Olympics, Xican prospect in boxing.

1090
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,159
I mean, we'll see, you know, he still has to

1091
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:06,599
have his debut. He's on the card, and you know,

1092
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
having seen him in the Olympics, I'm kind of excited

1093
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,119
to see, you know, how how he works out in

1094
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,000
terms of his professional situa. He's only twenty three years old.

1095
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:18,559
He won the welterweight silver medal in Paris. The debut

1096
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:20,840
is going to be a middleweight bout. He's fighting out

1097
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,880
you know, not anybody who ever heard of Michelle Paulina.

1098
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,800
But he's on the card. And then you have another

1099
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,800
another prospect on the card who also is now also

1100
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,880
trained by Eddie Renoso, a Cuban light heavyweight named Brian

1101
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,800
Leon who was undefeated who was sparred with Canelo, and

1102
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,559
that'll be the opener in a six rounder. So two

1103
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:39,760
apparently top notch prospects plus the other you know, four

1104
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,920
fights at all have injurgued for various reasons.

1105
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,119
Speaker 3: Okay, so again that's coming on the Cinco de Mayo weekend,

1106
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,400
and that will be on the Saturday night for the

1107
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,519
Canelo Skull card.

1108
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: Let's continue.

1109
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: You've also learned about the return of e Manuel Navarte,

1110
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,280
who I onabashedly say I enjoy watching him fight.

1111
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:58,119
Speaker 1: Who doesn't.

1112
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 3: He's the WBO Junior Life Way champ. What have we

1113
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:04,159
learned about him returning against whom? And how soon?

1114
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,159
Speaker 1: Soon?

1115
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,519
Speaker 4: TJ soon he will defend the title. Fourth defense will

1116
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,519
fight a Filipino fighter named Charlie Suarez who was undefeated

1117
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,159
from the Philippines, who is also with Top Rank.

1118
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: They'll do.

1119
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,039
Speaker 4: This fight will be the main event May tenth at

1120
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,679
the Pachanga Arena in San Diego. Again, this has not

1121
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,639
been announced yet. Top Rank is gonna have a world

1122
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,039
title double header that night. We've already discussed the other

1123
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:25,519
fight that's on the show, that is the Raymond Maretaya

1124
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
a zaa Abdeliah interim IBF lightweight title bout, which has

1125
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,199
a good chance maybe to have the winner become the

1126
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,079
full title holder, depending on what happens with Lomachenko, But anyway,

1127
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,239
that'll be the double header. You got Murtaia and Zaura

1128
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,039
abd eliav followed by Navarette against Charlie Suarez. I was

1129
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,639
kind of hoping that when Navaret came back the top

1130
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,039
rank would have gotten down the business and made the

1131
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:48,719
match between him and Oshaki Foss to unify with the

1132
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,000
WBC title. They did not do that. That's kind of

1133
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,800
a disappointment, but nonetheless that's what's going on. He's defending

1134
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,840
the title against Suarez, who was eighteen and zero with

1135
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,400
ten knockouts, taking a big step up past bought his

1136
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,239
previous three fights in the United States, so having him

1137
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,079
fight here won't be any kind of massive change because

1138
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,480
he's been fighting in the United States recently. So we'll see.

1139
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,079
Like you said, who doesn't enjoy watching an Amanu will

1140
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:13,000
never attay fight.

1141
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: Like him if he's in shape and ready and on point.

1142
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,559
All right, So that's coming in May, and we want

1143
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,280
to send out some good wishes to a legend in

1144
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,679
the new York area and obviously a world champion and

1145
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,760
a name that you will know, especially from the nineties

1146
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,480
and the and the early two thousands. I ran Barkley,

1147
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,639
tell me more, tell me more about what's been going on.

1148
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: He's got a health situation here.

1149
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was retired by the two thousand. He was

1150
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,480
really known in the late eighties and the nineties, but

1151
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,559
he was one of the top action fighters for a

1152
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:44,960
long time. He is a man who won world titles

1153
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,440
at middleweight, super middleweight and light heavyweight twice by the way,

1154
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,320
in world title fights, beat the great Thomas Hearns for

1155
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,599
a a in a middleweight and a light heavyweight world

1156
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,719
title about but I ran the blade Barkley had. He

1157
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,039
had a minor stroke about a week or so ago

1158
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,159
in New York where he lives, and you know a

1159
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,960
lot of people in boxing, you know, I've been checking

1160
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,360
in on him. I saw some comments from Mariso Suliman,

1161
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,800
obviously he held the WBC title, and other people in

1162
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920
the New York boxing scene who'd known Iran for decades

1163
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,199
and decades say he's doing fine. He's in the hospital.

1164
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,760
But you know, if you've never watched Iran Barkley fight

1165
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,800
or You've maybe not really heard of him, but go

1166
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,920
check out the Hearns fights. You know, he lost a

1167
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,760
lot of times, and he fought the top guys, but

1168
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,519
he fought everybody. First of all, his fight against when

1169
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:29,599
he was the WBC Midleway champion. This is after he

1170
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,440
defeated Tommy Ears, he fought Roberto Duran. They fought the

1171
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,880
nineteen eighty nine fight of the year. Was a spectacular fight,

1172
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,079
and Duran pulled off the upset and won the middleweight

1173
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:39,800
title from Barkley. But that is one of the great

1174
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239
fights he'll ever see. But he also fought plenty of

1175
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:42,920
other top names.

1176
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: James totally smashed Tommy Hearns with that big punch out

1177
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,599
of nowhere and made him made him a legend for

1178
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:51,519
that night for sure.

1179
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: For that knockout.

1180
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: If Memes existed back then, he'd been. He also beat

1181
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,920
him by a decision in their second fight, But he

1182
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,800
also had the fights against James to Nigel Ben famously

1183
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,679
got knocked out by Nigel Ben in the first round.

1184
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,599
Henry Maska, who was a tremendous light heavyweight champion from

1185
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:09,760
Germany for a long time, Michael Nunn, Sumbole, Colum Bay

1186
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,800
like he fought everybody basically, you know, but he beat

1187
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:15,920
a legend and Tommy Earnser was still good when they fought,

1188
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920
and he was still a world championship level fighter at

1189
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,159
that time. It had like literally one of the best

1190
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,480
fights of the nineteen eighties against Duran, even though he

1191
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:23,960
lost the fight.

1192
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 3: So anyway, you just you just jogged me on the

1193
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,159
Nigel Binct and we wish I ran Barkley well and

1194
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,000
better health. You just jogged me. Wasn't that Nigel Bin's

1195
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,440
United States debut? If I'm not mistaken in Las Vegas?

1196
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,639
Because I remember we did the nostalgia around that. I

1197
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,559
went back and rewatched it and it was the typical

1198
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,039
Saturday afternoon at that time, ABC's Wide World of Sports

1199
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,960
showing the fight. Nigel Binn comes to the United States

1200
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,280
mid afternoon Las Vegas time, not for seventy nine ninety

1201
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,039
five on pay per view, by the way, the middle

1202
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,199
of the afternoon on Network TV. And this is comical

1203
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,000
because they were showing the Steaks horse Race that's your

1204
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,679
part of the world in New York on ABC. Okay,

1205
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,440
so the travers is like the co feature. They're showing that,

1206
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,239
and then they go to the boxing and the boxing

1207
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,239
is over so quickly with Nigel Bin destroying I Ran Barkley. Unfortunately,

1208
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,000
they say, okay, they do the interviews with Nigel Bin.

1209
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,480
He's all excited British accent. I'm a champion, I'm a champion. Okay,

1210
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,880
they're done, and now we go back to the racetrack.

1211
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920
What was it, Sarah Toga or wherever they have it,

1212
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,760
and they showed another horse race because they had nothing

1213
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,400
to fill with because the fight was over in one round.

1214
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 4: Just so you know, it was not It was not

1215
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,760
on Nigel Bin's American did He had fought here a

1216
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,119
few times, okay before that, several times before that he

1217
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:42,559
was working with Top Break, but this was like his

1218
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,920
fourth or fifth American fight. Okay, But the main point

1219
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,480
here is this. He knocked him out in two minutes

1220
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,039
and fifty seven.

1221
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:48,679
Speaker 2: That's try.

1222
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,559
Speaker 1: I looked it up while you were talking about and they.

1223
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: Had to go back to the horse racing because they

1224
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,320
had nothing else to show on ABC that it actually happened.

1225
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: But I ran Barkley. We wish him well, by the way.

1226
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 4: After after he knocked out Barkley in the first round,

1227
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:06,400
and that was August of nineteen ninety Nigel Ben's next

1228
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,280
fight was famously the first fight there you go where

1229
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,760
he got knocked out by Chris you Bank.

1230
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,079
Speaker 3: And then that's that said, the whole thing with the

1231
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,960
rematch in emotion and now the suns.

1232
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 4: So if Iran Berkley had won that day, it might

1233
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,840
have ruined the U bet.

1234
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,679
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe situation. All right, Raphael has been antsy. That's

1235
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:23,360
the right word.

1236
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,039
Speaker 1: You've been anty, not me, No, no, no, you.

1237
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: You were antsie.

1238
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: As I'm suffering my travails in the Atlanta airport, trying

1239
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,119
to find a blanket and wondering am I spending the

1240
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,639
night in the Atlanta airport, You're like, but we got

1241
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,719
to talk about Chavez Taylor nostalgia. It's thirty five years ago.

1242
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,440
I'm going, babe, it'll keep. It's okay. We will get

1243
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,039
to it when we can get to it. And now

1244
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:47,400
we're getting to it. It was thirty five years ago

1245
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,400
on Saint Patrick's Day. Although they're not Irish, Julio says

1246
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,320
our Chavez and Mildred Taylor fighting in Las Vegas in

1247
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,800
one of the most epic endings of any world title fight,

1248
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,960
arguably the most controversial TKO stoppage in a world title fight. Ever,

1249
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,639
I can't believe and don't want to accept. It's thirty

1250
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:07,639
five years old.

1251
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,599
Speaker 2: Let's go. You've been waiting, you've been antsy, Let's go nostalgia.

1252
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,679
Speaker 4: As you and I have talked that before. This was

1253
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,039
in March of nineteen ninety. The decade is now three

1254
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:23,760
months old, and we already had seen Mike Tyson get

1255
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,880
knocked out by Buster Douglas. This fight was what a

1256
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,079
couple of weeks later after that fight, he had two.

1257
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 2: A month February March seventeenth, roughly.

1258
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 4: Basically it was like one HBO main event, and then

1259
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,039
the next month was that, like Tyson Douglas was the

1260
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,119
HBO main event of their World Chambone of boxing, you know,

1261
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:43,119
the month before, and then comes March and you've got

1262
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,599
Taylor versus Chavez on live HBO Boxing.

1263
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: Not again, an eighty dollars pay per view.

1264
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: And at the time, if there was ever a pay

1265
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,719
per view worthy type of fight, it would have been

1266
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,039
Meldrea Taylor against Julio says ar Chibas.

1267
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

1268
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 4: Three months into the new year and we've already got

1269
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,239
two of the fights of the decade between Douglas and

1270
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,199
Tyson and then Ldrick Taylor against chavas they were meeting

1271
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,199
to unify the IBF and the WBC one hundred and

1272
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:08,599
forty pound titles. And in the end, nine years and

1273
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,239
two months later, it was the fight of the decade.

1274
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,000
I mean, that's how good it was, and it was

1275
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:15,800
the fight of the year for many people for nineteen

1276
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,880
ninety as well. I mean, putting aside the controversy and

1277
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,679
the way that the fight ended. And if you're listening

1278
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:25,599
to our boxing podcast you don't know what I'm talking

1279
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:27,559
about by the ending, then I don't know if I

1280
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:28,639
consider you a boxing fan.

1281
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why you're.

1282
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,519
Speaker 3: Well, I do this all the time. Let me swat

1283
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,960
the gen z ers, the sub thirty year olds. You

1284
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,760
gotta go back on YouTube, the Legendary Night series as

1285
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,840
well from the HBO series that they did of all

1286
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,280
of those fights and understand what we're talking about and

1287
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,360
the magnitude of what we're talking about.

1288
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: Follow up.

1289
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was a fantastic fight. Meldrick Taylor should

1290
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,440
have been and was on two score cards way way ahead.

1291
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,000
He was beating Chavez to the punch the whole fight,

1292
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:00,679
but Chavez was not not getting in his LIGs. So

1293
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,599
even though Meldrick was clearly winning on points, Meldrick was

1294
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,480
having some of the life beating out of him. You know,

1295
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,719
Chobbs was getting his pound of flesh, as they say.

1296
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,679
And by the time they got there round twelve, even

1297
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,760
though Meldrick is winning the fight, it's more about, you know,

1298
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,360
can he get to the final bell and still be

1299
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,119
standing and win the decision or chov Is gonna knock

1300
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,440
him out. You know, Meldrick's face was puffed up. He'd

1301
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,039
been taking Hallaysia's body shots. You know, the story goes out.

1302
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:30,159
You know, he urinated pure blood. After the fight, Chobz

1303
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:33,599
knocks him. You know, chobb Is knocks him down with

1304
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,880
you know, a handful of seconds left in the twelfth

1305
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,239
round in and very famously, Richard Steele is the referee,

1306
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:42,360
looks at Meldrick and Meldrick looks to his corner, doesn't acknowledge.

1307
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,199
Richard Steele, doesn't make a sign, doesn't say anything to him,

1308
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,440
and Richard stops to fight. And you know, the red

1309
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:50,199
light meaning less than ten seconds is left, is flashing

1310
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,800
right in front of Richard's eyes. They don't use that

1311
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,480
anymore in Vegas, but back then when ten seconds hit,

1312
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,400
you would see the red light in the corner. He

1313
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,000
stopped the fight with two seconds left, and it became

1314
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,440
the most controversial stoppage in the history of boxing. Bar

1315
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:04,639
no on, I think that is not even up for discussion.

1316
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
There is not another stoppage has.

1317
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: Created seconds remaining in the fight two fifty eight of.

1318
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,639
Speaker 4: The twelve and of course very famously, you know the

1319
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,519
HBO crew is calling the fight. You see Lou Duva,

1320
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,199
who is one of the co trainers of Meldrick Taylor.

1321
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:19,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

1322
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,639
Speaker 4: You know, as Jim Lampley said on the brocket, you're

1323
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,280
gonna see lou Duva go crazy. You're gonna go see

1324
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,920
Lou Duvago absolutely berserk, which is exactly what Lou Lou

1325
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,519
Duva did. And it was just you have to look

1326
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:33,920
at it from two perspectives. On the one hand, if

1327
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,400
you're the if you're in the Meldrick Taylor camp, it

1328
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,199
was the greatest miscarriage of justice you could ever possibly imagine.

1329
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,199
Here's a man about to win, leaps and bounds, the

1330
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,559
biggest fight of his life, biggest fight, one of the

1331
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,280
biggest fights in boxing, massive massive win. Julio Segar chob Is,

1332
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,400
by the way, was undefeated. Uh, a legend of this

1333
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,480
propelled the mint a greater legend status. I mean, this

1334
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,400
was a fighter who was you know, would go on

1335
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,760
to be held by most people as the greatest Mexican

1336
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,920
fight in this roy this port. But going into the

1337
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,679
fight against Meldriic, I mean he was he was unstoppable.

1338
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: You know, he was eighty something and oh in that well, he.

1339
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,079
Speaker 4: Wasn't it wasn't quite that. I mean he was sixty

1340
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:12,960
eight and oh going into the fight, sixty.

1341
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,159
Speaker 3: Eight and oh and remember, because you did a pitiful

1342
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,519
job of explaining this, Taylor was an Olympic hero, undefeated,

1343
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,840
and he was cooking Chavez in the first six to

1344
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,519
seven minds of the fight, and then Chavez began to

1345
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:27,679
wear him down.

1346
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: And it became obvious can he last or not?

1347
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: Till this moment happened, and then it created so much

1348
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,199
controversy about Meldrick. Taylor is on his feet, there's two

1349
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,679
seconds left, and if the bell rings, Larry Merchant very

1350
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,119
famously says, the great Larry Merchant, if he gets up,

1351
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,719
he probably wins. He got up, and yet the fight

1352
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,320
was stopped.

1353
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you can have your arguments back and forth.

1354
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,000
I always felt like I never liked the stoppage, but

1355
00:59:56,039 --> 01:00:00,280
I understood it. There would not have been another punch

1356
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,079
showing Chavas is in the in the neutral corner. If

1357
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:05,599
the bell, if if the fight is allowed to resume

1358
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,880
before he can even take a step forward, the bell

1359
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,519
is going to ring. But Richard steals perspective, and those

1360
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,360
who are okay with the stoppage are like, Richard doesn't

1361
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,480
know that. But the argument can be made. He's one

1362
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,920
of the most experienced referees in boxing at that time,

1363
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,440
he was the big fight referee. He knew the red

1364
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,039
light was going. You know, there's less than ten seconds.

1365
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,000
Probably he knows there's less than five seconds because he

1366
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,639
knows it in his head. He's getting ready to stop them. Anyway.

1367
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,159
You know, it'll be litigated and argued for the for

1368
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:32,800
all time. But but the point I was making is

1369
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:36,119
from the Chavis perspective, I mean, from the tailor's perspective,

1370
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,199
it's the greatest miscarriage of justice in the history of

1371
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,559
But from the child is perspective, it's the most dramatic,

1372
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:46,239
most amazing comeback rally, you know, pull you know out

1373
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:47,920
of the you know, you pull the what do they

1374
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,599
call it, you pull.

1375
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: The picture out of the jaws at defeat.

1376
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:53,599
Speaker 4: Exactly, which is exactly what he did. So an amazing comeback,

1377
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,199
and that's really the victory that as popular as Chavez

1378
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,840
was and as great of a champion as he was,

1379
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,039
that made him.

1380
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: Like a god in Mexico.

1381
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,079
Speaker 4: And he went on and you know, continued a very

1382
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,320
long run, you know, like I said, he was sixty eight

1383
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,440
and oh you know, he got to what eighty nine

1384
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,119
to oh and one before he lost to Frankie Randall.

1385
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,039
I asked to draw against Parnel Whitaker. That was kind

1386
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:17,519
of a gift, obviously, But this Mileser Taylor Chobs fight

1387
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,239
was a spectacular fight, and then the ending just put

1388
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,039
it over. Now, I'll say this. I spent a lot

1389
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,800
of time researching this fight, specifically about two years ago.

1390
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:29,400
It was maybe during pandemic times when the Ring magazine

1391
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:32,559
was still producing the print edition before they stopped and

1392
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,840
then restarted it when Turkey Yo Shek bought it. But

1393
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,840
they were there wasn't a lot of fights going on.

1394
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,719
They were still trying to publish the magazine, so they

1395
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:42,880
were doing a series of issues that were sort of.

1396
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,320
They still covered whatever was happening in boxing, but they

1397
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,199
were themed issues. They would do like you know, dedicated.

1398
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,039
They did an issue about Gaddy and Ward, they did

1399
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:55,360
an issue about this particular shows about Julio says our

1400
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,719
job is. They did of issue all about Tito Trinidad.

1401
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440
So I was writing for those print issues from any

1402
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,599
of those additions. And so Dougie Fisher from the Ring

1403
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,400
hit me up and asked me to do a piece

1404
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,840
for the chob Is issue and asked me if I

1405
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,800
would write a piece about the Melgick Taylor fight. That

1406
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,800
was one of the stories you know, on the headline

1407
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was two seconds and so in that piece, I interviewed

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01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,280
a bunch of people associated with the fight. And one

1409
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,079
of the things I found out which I had never

1410
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:21,400
seen before. I'd never heard this before. I thought it

1411
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,679
was like this great revelation in the piece, and I

1412
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:27,079
was talking to the great Ronnie Shields, who was the

1413
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:30,599
assistant trainer for you know in the fee was the

1414
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,679
Melgeri Taylor's assistant trainer. He was part of that Lou

1415
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,039
Duva camp, and he talked He basically blamed loud Duva

1416
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:37,519
for the loss. He said Lou Duba got up on

1417
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:39,440
the ring post or on the ring gaping. He didn't

1418
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,400
see that right, and he distracted Pernell right at the

1419
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,320
moment when Richard was counting and when or not Prono

1420
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,280
when Meldrick Taylor glanced over at him, he kind of

1421
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,559
lost track of Richard Steele and that caused him not

1422
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,280
to respond when Richard asked him, you know, if you're okay,

1423
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:58,760
And so he was blaming lou for the loss. And

1424
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,280
there was that whole conversation in dressing room afterwards and

1425
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,960
that I had never heard that before.

1426
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,159
Speaker 3: And I know we've talked about that, and obviously Meldrick

1427
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:13,159
declined physically, mentally, et cetera. They fought again and Meldrick

1428
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:17,280
continued to fight on well well passed when he should

1429
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:17,480
have been.

1430
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: One thing that is a little bit of a misnomer.

1431
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,960
I think it's like laziness by a lot of people. Yes,

1432
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:27,400
Melgic became diminished after the fight, but he wasn't done

1433
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,039
yet because he still went on and won another world

1434
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:32,760
title in a against a very good fighter too. He

1435
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,159
lost to Chavez in the way that he did. He

1436
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,559
came back with a victory in the welterweight division at

1437
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,079
one hundred and forty four pounds on a non title fight.

1438
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,679
His next fight less than a year later, ten months

1439
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:49,199
after the chav Has lost, he challenged then WBA welterweight

1440
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,199
champion and the undefeated excellent boxer thirty two to zero

1441
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,519
Aaron Davis, and he defeated Aaron Davis for the welterweight title.

1442
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:58,039
Speaker 3: You love me because I've I've du You're a nostalga

1443
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,920
on top of your nostalgia. That's Aaron Superman Davis back

1444
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,960
in the day. We love that nickname, you know.

1445
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 4: And he eventually took a non title fight up at

1446
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:09,800
Jumior middlewed he got absolutely wrecked by Terry Norris, defended

1447
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,639
the title that he had won from Davis against Crossanto

1448
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,320
Espania got absolutely blitzed in that fight, and that was

1449
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,599
really the end. The Norris fight is really what the

1450
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:21,360
Chivis fight started it. The Norris fight kind of ended it.

1451
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,119
Then he lost to a Spanya. Then it was a

1452
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,599
downward spiral and it was like three fights later where

1453
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,920
he gave the rematch. The job is when Don King

1454
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,000
had signed him and Game a couple of easy wins

1455
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,119
and you know, day let chabb has beat the living

1456
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:35,079
shit out of him in the rematch, but the first

1457
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,360
fight will never be forgotten. It was the greatest fights

1458
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:37,880
of all time.

1459
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,199
Speaker 3: Look it up if you don't know about it. Thirty

1460
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,199
five years later, and again two of the most incredible

1461
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:46,960
fights in boxing history happened one month apart, in the

1462
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,719
Douglas upset of Tyson, followed.

1463
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 4: By this on the on the same network on HB,

1464
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:56,119
same network, HB. I did post some of my memorabilia

1465
01:04:56,159 --> 01:04:57,920
from my social media.

1466
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,039
Speaker 3: Go check it out on your social media. So let's

1467
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:06,480
move forward from that fifteen years shall to March the nineteenth,

1468
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,239
two thousand and five. Wednesday was the anniversary day March

1469
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:15,519
nineteen of five Eric Morales decisions Manny Pakiow in the

1470
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:19,039
first of their trilogy fights. Let's get nostalgic about that

1471
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,639
trilogy and I don't want to accept that that was

1472
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:23,960
twenty years ago, but go ahead me.

1473
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:26,159
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a great fight. This is like

1474
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:28,800
one of the best big time wins in recent boxing history.

1475
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,440
If you want to go back to that many years.

1476
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,880
I mean, Manny Pacau was on the ascent and Morales

1477
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:38,559
beat him. I mean it wasn't even controversial. I mean

1478
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,960
he won the fight. I mean, it was close, highly competitive,

1479
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,440
and you know it was after this that Morales lost

1480
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,360
his next fight, and a bob Aro said, fucking they

1481
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,079
did the rematch anyway, That's how much how excited people

1482
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,079
were seeing Paco to take on Eric Ross in the rematch.

1483
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,840
That was really pretty much Morales's last big win because

1484
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,199
he lost, as I mentioned, he lost the tune up

1485
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:01,199
fight against Rayhi team as I hear aheem, and he

1486
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,679
lost the next two fights to pack out. He got

1487
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,880
knocked out in the rematch, which is another terrific fight,

1488
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:07,960
and then got knocked out real easily in the third fight,

1489
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,760
and then really never had another big win the rest

1490
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,440
of his career, even though he fought you know, some

1491
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:14,360
good fighters and continued to fight on for a few

1492
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,199
more years. So that was like the you know, the

1493
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:19,960
top level of where Morales got to. But that was

1494
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:22,159
a huge win for him. The thing I always find

1495
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:26,920
interesting about the trilogy between Morales and Pacou, and nobody

1496
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,119
really seemed to care. They fought the fights all non

1497
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,039
title fights. None of them were for world titles. They

1498
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,199
were all one hundred and thirty pound fights, but non

1499
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:37,039
title fights. It didn't matter to anybody, and they still

1500
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,559
did great business, people still enjoyed themselves. It was still

1501
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,199
a tremendous rivalry between the two guys. They ended up

1502
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:44,880
liking each other. You know, Morales one time, I think

1503
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,639
went to the Philippines and they hung out together. I mean,

1504
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:50,440
I love shit like that. But this fight was absolutely spectacular.

1505
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:54,599
The thing I remember about him, and from a personal standpoint,

1506
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:57,239
was this was right at the time that I had

1507
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,199
left my job at USA today, which, by the way,

1508
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,320
I started twenty five years ago this week. But I

1509
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,000
started my job at at ESPN. This was actually supposed

1510
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,119
to be my first fight to travel when I had started.

1511
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,199
I had started ESPN maybe like three weeks before this fight,

1512
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:15,960
and I was booked to go to cover my first

1513
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,840
fight for my new gig at ESPN.

1514
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:19,199
Speaker 1: I got, I got.

1515
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:21,039
Speaker 4: I got really sick for two fights that I ended

1516
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,960
up missing that I couldn't travel to this fight. Morales

1517
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,639
pak yeah one and Gaddy Ward won. Why couldn't I

1518
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:30,440
have gotten sick for you know a.

1519
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 3: Number of non memorable, non epic matchups.

1520
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: But the thing also, but this is the.

1521
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: One where you were down and out with like a

1522
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:39,119
rag over your head.

1523
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: That was That was the Gaddy Ward now.

1524
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:43,239
Speaker 3: I thought that was you know, and uh, and we

1525
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:44,639
we thought we were gonna have to call in the

1526
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:48,079
priest maybe or or you know, get you a bedpan.

1527
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: Uh, but you survived.

1528
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 4: One of the one of the great things about this

1529
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:58,159
is if you like boxing, Eric morales encompasses everything that

1530
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:00,960
I like about it. A guy that just wanted to fight.

1531
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:04,559
He knew he's probably winning. He could box a little bit,

1532
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:07,519
he didn't have to, and he's in with one of

1533
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:11,000
the most dangerous punchers in the game, with a wicked, wicked,

1534
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,000
wicked punching power against the south paw, and he turned

1535
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:19,319
southpaw in the twelfth round, and everybody is like Roy Jones,

1536
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,279
if you listen to the broadcast, was doing it with

1537
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,800
Larry Merchant and Jim Lampley is losing his fucking mind.

1538
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: Why is he doing that?

1539
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,079
Speaker 4: He's like walking in to the jaws of the line

1540
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:30,840
by turning southpaw on a on a left handed fighter,

1541
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,520
and he just wanted to fight. And there's a great,

1542
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,640
very endearing moment in the interview afterwards where he gets

1543
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,199
questioned about that by Larry Merchant and he basically says,

1544
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:40,920
that's through the translit.

1545
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:41,399
Speaker 1: Did you like it?

1546
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:43,239
Speaker 4: And Larry looks and as I loved it. I mean,

1547
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,640
he basically responded for everybody. The minor controversy and which

1548
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,680
was the storyline that became a thing after the fight,

1549
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,119
was Pakaw and his team complaining because at the time

1550
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,319
Manny was promoted by Marod Muhammad and he had negotiated

1551
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,439
away Manny Packyash choice of gloves. Manny wanted to wear

1552
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,159
the winning gloves. Eric Marauis wanted to wear the Rays gloves,

1553
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,359
and the Rays gloves were with they negotiate, and that

1554
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,119
was something that pissed off many. Packy had quite a

1555
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:11,119
bit And you'd say, well, what's the difference. It's just

1556
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:13,039
a pair of gloves and they're all the same weight

1557
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,760
in this net. But and I've told the story before,

1558
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,279
I've been I went ringside one time, I forget what

1559
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,960
fight it was, and they were examining each glove and

1560
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:24,640
I held in my hand at the same time a

1561
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,920
ray Is glove and a winning glove. And trust me,

1562
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,560
not that I'd like to get hit, But if you

1563
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,000
said to me, Rafael tj is gonna punch you in

1564
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,680
the face, I'd rather have you punched me in the

1565
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,680
face with the winning glove than the Rays glove. Okay,

1566
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:39,920
all right, because they really are They really were like pillows.

1567
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,319
Speaker 2: It is interesting.

1568
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 4: And the Rays gloves were always known as the puncher's gloves.

1569
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,880
They sharp edge, I mean they're like getting hit.

1570
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: What says that before?

1571
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: I would never slug you story, Just saying, uh, great

1572
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:55,000
nostalgia on all fronts.

1573
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: Love it. Why don't we have a weekend. Why don't

1574
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:59,159
we reconvene?

1575
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: I know you and I I are amped because we've

1576
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,920
got the NCAA basketball tournament. You're let's go duke all

1577
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,479
the way. My Memphis Tigers are involved. So the NCAA

1578
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,479
basketball tournament huge. But you and I are going to

1579
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,760
reconvene right in the middle of it on the bet

1580
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,920
Us Boxing Show at one Eastern time. Lucky for me,

1581
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,760
that's right before the Memphis game out in Seattle with

1582
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,800
Colorado State. So we'll get that bet Us Boxing show in.

1583
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,359
We've got the Fundora main event, the World title main

1584
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:27,479
event Saturday night. We'll come off the weekend and recap

1585
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,039
it here on the podcast feed.

1586
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:31,359
Speaker 2: All good. Sound good for a weekend plan.

1587
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 3: There he is our insider, Dan Rayfield, Go find the fight,

1588
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,560
Preach to Night's Substack. Make sure you're subscribe there on

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,000
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1590
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:43,720
with all of you on the podfeed. We're never too

1591
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,760
far away, Savages. Enjoy all the action this weekend. We'll

1592
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,520
see you again on the bet Us Show on their platforms, YouTube, etc.

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01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,199
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