Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
Speaker 2: and Jim Garritty of National Review.
Speaker 1: Free martinis coming up.
Speaker 2: Erry, Glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
Speaker 2: the Three Martini Lunch, and we thank you for being
Speaker 2: patient through two consecutive episodes where there are no good martinis,
Speaker 2: so to reward you all good martinis today, and we
Speaker 2: did not have to scrape the bottom of the barrel
Speaker 2: for these. These are three genuinely good martinis for you today.
Speaker 2: We've got a brand new conservative president on the way
Speaker 2: in Chile, down in South America, and it's fun watching
Speaker 2: how the media describes a conservative elected anywhere these days,
Speaker 2: but especially down there. We'll get into that. We'll also
Speaker 2: be taking a look at a new poll out of
Speaker 2: Minnesota and looking at how the citizens of Minnesota view
Speaker 2: Tim Walls and this welfare fraud scandal out there. But
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Speaker 2: Jim on to our first good martini. And this is
Speaker 2: a big one. The FBI announcing that it has thwarted
Speaker 2: a terrorist plot aimed for New Year's Eve in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: We know about terrorist plots on Christmas Eve in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you maybe me to it. But that's okay. Goods fine,
Speaker 1: it's good news. We're not even gonna need any more
Speaker 1: FBI guys. Good they got the job done. Good job everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these FBI guys are great. This is from Pambondi,
Speaker 2: the Attorney General. After an intense investigation, the Department of Justice,
Speaker 2: working with our FBI, prevented what would have been a
Speaker 2: massive and horrific terror plot in the Center District of California,
Speaker 2: which is Orange County and Los Angeles. The Turtle Island
Speaker 2: Liberation Front, a far left pro Palestine, anti government and
Speaker 2: anti capitalist group, was preparing to conduct a series of
Speaker 2: bombings against multiple targets in California beginning on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2: The group also planned to target ice agents and vehicles.
Speaker 2: This was an incredible effort by our US Attorney's offices
Speaker 2: and the FBI to ensure Americans can live in peace.
Speaker 2: We will continue to pursue those terror groups and bring
Speaker 2: them to justice. FBI Director Cash Pattel, also pointing out
Speaker 2: that a fifth person was arrested in New Orleans in
Speaker 2: connection to this plot, and they basically had footage of
Speaker 2: these people casing out a building at San Bernardino, backpacks
Speaker 2: with complicated improvised explosive devices. You're going to leave it here.
Speaker 2: This is where they're going to be detonated, and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So they're basically going through dry runs.
Speaker 2: And so it looks like there's plenty of evidence to
Speaker 2: show that this was in fact a plot, and thankfully,
Speaker 2: thank goodness, that this was thwarted.
Speaker 1: It seems greg this is gonna be a strangely global
Speaker 1: edition of our podcast because it feels like as we
Speaker 1: get closer to Christmas, you and I make a lot
Speaker 1: of die hard jokes and we enjoy them, and I
Speaker 1: think our audience enjoys them and nobody loves them more
Speaker 1: than our guest Tebbie Troy. But all in all, like
Speaker 1: you'd rather not have to think about terrorism at a
Speaker 1: time like this, And we saw the awful events in Australia,
Speaker 1: we saw the mass shooting at Brown University, where the
Speaker 1: shooter is as of this recording still at large. And
Speaker 1: now thankfully we got to see counter terrorism working the
Speaker 1: way it's meant to that the authorities managed to detect
Speaker 1: the plot and managed to wrap it up before they
Speaker 1: were able to do anything. Had there been New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve and we started seeing bombs going off, just would
Speaker 1: have been absolutely awful. And I think particularly in the
Speaker 1: years after nine to eleven, we started thinking about that.
Speaker 1: How Christmas markets, as we've seen over in Europe, we've
Speaker 1: seen various plots, attempts and forms of harassment and things
Speaker 1: like that going over there. This is the time of
Speaker 1: year we're supposed to be able to enjoy ourselves. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to be with our family and our loved ones
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about these things. And you know, thankfully,
Speaker 1: good thanks to the good work of the FBI here
Speaker 1: it has come to pass. In La and Hopefully things
Speaker 1: will be smooth sailing between now and Christmas Day and
Speaker 1: New Year's But you know, unsurprisingly people like to get
Speaker 1: together in large groups, they like to revel. New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve celebrations are a very big, easy, soft target. Obviously,
Speaker 1: these folks sound like they're going to go after ice
Speaker 1: vehicles and ice facilities and things like that. But just
Speaker 1: once again, good work FBI, and hopefully the rest of
Speaker 1: the year is quiet. I think we've learned not to
Speaker 1: count any chickens before they hatch. No, that's exactly Turtle
Speaker 1: Islands on our turtles and Turtle Island for that matter.
Speaker 2: You know what we heard in the wake of nine
Speaker 2: to eleven, and probably even before that that you know,
Speaker 2: the law enforcement side, prevention side has to be right
Speaker 2: every time. The terrorists only have to succeed once, and
Speaker 2: so chances are as time goes on, since this didn't happen,
Speaker 2: or it's unlikely that it's going to happen now that
Speaker 2: it's been thwarted and arrest have been made here, you know,
Speaker 2: as time goes on, we might not remember this specific plot,
Speaker 2: but we've had a number of plots broken up this year,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure every year most of which we don't
Speaker 2: even hear about, and others which we don't think about
Speaker 2: that much longer because they didn't happen. But these things
Speaker 2: pile up. This is the job that our law enforcement does.
Speaker 2: Obviously responding to ones that unfortunately do happen as another
Speaker 2: part of the job. But the more these you can
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Speaker 2: good martini now. And for that, we had to election
Speaker 2: results over the weekend. South of the Equator. Down in Chile,
Speaker 2: we've already got a liarian minded president in Javier Malay.
Speaker 2: In Argentina, Bolivia has also shifted to a right leaning leader,
Speaker 2: and now Chile has done the same. This guy's name
Speaker 2: is Jose Antonio cast and the New York Times headline
Speaker 2: says conservative wins resoundingly in Chile's presidential election. Every other
Speaker 2: headline I saw in googling this story Jim was far right.
Speaker 2: Far right wins in Chile excessive sharp turns to the right,
Speaker 2: which I think was even mentioned here in the New
Speaker 2: York Times story. A conservative candidate was elected Chile's president
Speaker 2: on Sunday, a sharp right word swing for a country
Speaker 2: where voters have grown deeply concerned about security and illegal immigration.
Speaker 2: So why is this a sharp right word turn or
Speaker 2: far right as other outlets are saying, Well, mister cast
Speaker 2: fifty nine is a father of nine with ideological roots
Speaker 2: and conservative Roman Catholicism and economic neoliberalism. Had campaigned on
Speaker 2: a tough on crime platform with echoes of President Trump's
Speaker 2: political approach, promising to deport undocumented migrants and build a
Speaker 2: barrier along Chile's extensive northern border. How do they describe
Speaker 2: the candidate that he beats. Her name is Janette Jara
Speaker 2: or maybe Haara in Spanish, the candidate for the center
Speaker 2: left oh and also a member of the Communist Party.
Speaker 2: It was fifty eight to forty two on the ballot,
Speaker 2: and so Jim another media both here in the US
Speaker 2: and around the world, it's like a sliding scale about
Speaker 2: where the far right starts on the political spectrum. Pretty sure,
Speaker 2: you know conservative, Catholic, economic conservative, tough on crime. That
Speaker 2: sounds pretty standard conservative to me, and I like it.
Speaker 1: Well, look, is this guy a traditional in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways? Yes, you mentioned the nine kids. I understand
Speaker 1: he'll be starting for the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday. And
Speaker 1: also when you say this guy is the center left
Speaker 1: candidate who's a member of the Communist Party, I mean
Speaker 1: in New York City, that is standard center left. So
Speaker 1: all right, So I think what's interesting here is that now,
Speaker 1: now it's not just Malay in Argentina, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a pattern, Maybe this is something It is not just
Speaker 1: because Malay. Let's face it, this is a larger than
Speaker 1: life personality, not just the haircut being up on stage,
Speaker 1: but the chainsaw most he's going that he had the
Speaker 1: names of all the agency who's going to get rid
Speaker 1: of and he was yeah out in the track. You know,
Speaker 1: clearly a guy who has made for the television social
Speaker 1: media age, and who clear you know like so you
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, this is a uniquely talented politician. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily reflective of a broader trend in South America
Speaker 1: or around the world. I think in this case, and
Speaker 1: look for a long time in Latin American countries, generally
Speaker 1: the governments that got elected were going, you know, when
Speaker 1: they had elections, We're going to be populist, leftist, yankee,
Speaker 1: go home, reflexive demonization of the United States is the
Speaker 1: root of all problems and all that stuff. Well, now
Speaker 1: we've got this. We've seen European leaders who are allegedly
Speaker 1: on the far right. And some of these are genuinely
Speaker 1: you know, frightening, dangerous guys, but a whole bunch they're
Speaker 1: all generally running on we want to reduce crime, we
Speaker 1: want to reduce we want to increase economic opportunities, and
Speaker 1: we want to enforce our borders and we want to
Speaker 1: you know, stop people from coming over the borders illegally.
Speaker 1: Is that far right? Is that some extreme because, like
Speaker 1: the people are being very clear, this is what we want.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything inherently evil about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything inherently Can they be taken
Speaker 1: to extremes, sure, but by and large saying I would
Speaker 1: like the people coming into my country to only be
Speaker 1: people that my government has allowed to come into my country,
Speaker 1: and I would like my government to scrutinize who's coming
Speaker 1: into my country to make sure that we're not bringing
Speaker 1: in terrorist gang members, criminals, human traffickers, all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't seem really crazy and unreasonable and
Speaker 1: hateful or anything like that. As Trump famously says, if
Speaker 1: you don't have borders, you don't have a country. This
Speaker 1: is the most reasonable thing. This man says, this is
Speaker 1: the most you know, like the people are speaking very clearly.
Speaker 1: The question is is the governing class listening. And when
Speaker 1: you don't listen, then you end up with having these
Speaker 1: candidates coming along who are as underdogs or long shots
Speaker 1: or when I'm having surprises, and who end up, you know, saying,
Speaker 1: oh we have the winning and often winning by a
Speaker 1: solid margin. Malaise Party won very well, and that those
Speaker 1: midterm elections in there. So now here's like campaigning on
Speaker 1: things and getting elected, believe it or not, that's the
Speaker 1: easy part, because actually enacting these changes tends to be
Speaker 1: a little bit harder. Governments are not all easy. They're
Speaker 1: not like aircraft carriers. They don't turn out a dime.
Speaker 1: We'll have to see how well chi Lay can implement
Speaker 1: these reforms, but it seems like one step in the
Speaker 1: right direction and so you know, I think there's kind
Speaker 1: of a broad public demand all across the globe. We'd
Speaker 1: like secure borders, we want criminals behind bars, and we'd
Speaker 1: like you to maximize economic opportunities so we can live
Speaker 1: a better life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's well said, and it's interesting again what
Speaker 2: they consider far right because a quick googling of what
Speaker 2: is economic neoliberalism, what exactly is that? And the overview, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's ai but it says neoliberal economics is a political
Speaker 2: economic theory promoting free markets, minimal government intervention, privatization regulation,
Speaker 2: and free trade, viewing competition as the best way to
Speaker 2: generate prosperity and efficiency by shifting power from public to
Speaker 2: private sectors and emphasizing individual responsibility. Jim, I can go
Speaker 2: for that. I don't think that seems to THEO radical.
Speaker 2: I don't think that seems radical at all.
Speaker 1: Great, can I just observe that, Like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you if you're grew up of the years we did,
Speaker 1: you probably heard someone like Russia Limbus saying these liberals
Speaker 1: are trying to you know, destroy our country. But you know,
Speaker 1: like liberals were a synonym for democrats. Liberals were what
Speaker 1: people we call progressives, However, periodically you start studying, you know, philosophy,
Speaker 1: you've become familiar with the likes of John Locke, You've
Speaker 1: become the oh, what we think of as conservatives are
Speaker 1: actually considered classical liberals. Right, this whole idea of free markets,
Speaker 1: limited government, freedom of speech, respect for the right, you know,
Speaker 1: the rights. Power of the government comes from the people,
Speaker 1: not from the people giving the rights to the government,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But now somewhere along the line,
Speaker 1: that became neoliberal. So this thing that we can think
Speaker 1: of we think of as being conservative is simultaneously classical
Speaker 1: liberal and neoliberal. But it's not liberal. I think we
Speaker 1: need some clarity in our terms here.
Speaker 2: Yes, or some new terms, definitely. But anyway, Chile headed
Speaker 2: in the right direction. You know, they liked it, a
Speaker 2: lot of socialists in South America over the years, and
Speaker 2: I think at least in some countries they're saying, you
Speaker 2: know what, that didn't work, let's try a different direction.
Speaker 2: In other countries they're stuck with it, like Venezuela and
Speaker 2: some others that just can't get out of the grips
Speaker 2: of a really, really horrible philosophy which turned a very
Speaker 2: prosperous country into a disaster. So we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 2: Now wow, And it looks like the people of Minnesota
Speaker 2: are none too happy with the welfare fraud scandal there
Speaker 2: and Governor Tim Wall's handling of it. Hat tip to
Speaker 2: Free Beacon on this one. But they're reporting on a
Speaker 2: pull from KSTP and Survey USA, and the article says
Speaker 2: seventy nine percent of registered voters in Minnesota think fraud
Speaker 2: in state programs is either the biggest or a major
Speaker 2: problem in their state, and just fourteen percent think Governor
Speaker 2: Tim Walls did enough to stop the fraud. In total,
Speaker 2: ninety two percent of respondents identified the fraud as a problem.
Speaker 2: Of that ninety two percent, twenty five percent called it
Speaker 2: the biggest problem in the state, and fifty four percent
Speaker 2: called it a major problem. Just thirteen percent called it
Speaker 2: a minor problem, and sixty nine percent of respondents said
Speaker 2: Walls needs to quote unquote do more to quote unquote
Speaker 2: stop fraud in Minnesota. And given the whistleblower statements that
Speaker 2: we've seen from some state employees, he not only didn't
Speaker 2: stop it, he stopped the people who were trying to
Speaker 2: stop it. And so I think this has legs. We've
Speaker 2: seen the New York Times report on very critically. We've
Speaker 2: seen CBS News report on this very critically. You never
Speaker 2: know what else is going to come up in the
Speaker 2: news that could potentially block it off the front page.
Speaker 2: But Jim, the people of Minnesota know they got fleeced
Speaker 2: here and they're really mad about it. And that's good.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, as horrific as this scandal is,
Speaker 1: I am glad that it has been uncovered. I am
Speaker 1: glad that certain individuals have been prosecuted, probably not enough.
Speaker 1: I am glad that, based on this survey USA poll,
Speaker 1: the people of Minnesota care. They recognize that this is appalling,
Speaker 1: that this is absolutely unacceptable in state government. They recognize
Speaker 1: that the governor has been asleep at the switch, not
Speaker 1: just recently, but for pretty much the entirety of his
Speaker 1: time as governor. And I am glad that all of
Speaker 1: this is coming to our attention in the year twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, when in the year twenty twenty six, Minnesota
Speaker 1: has a governor's race and Tim Walls, at least as
Speaker 1: of this recording, still intends to run for a third term.
Speaker 1: So now before everybody in the state of Minnesota, Shelta
Speaker 1: Foy is going to do the right thing. We know
Speaker 1: there are certain Minnesotas who are going to be great
Speaker 1: on this question is Minnesota Democrats, are you sure you
Speaker 1: want this guy to be your nominee or do you
Speaker 1: want to say, you know what, Here is some state lawmaker,
Speaker 1: here is some other figure who is not associated with
Speaker 1: the current administration, who was not asleep at the switch,
Speaker 1: who you know and say we're gon We're gonna nominate
Speaker 1: somebody else. Walls, thank you. Here's a gold watch. Go
Speaker 1: teach somewhere, Go write a book, Go fix a carburetor,
Speaker 1: go do something. We can't have you running for a
Speaker 1: third term. You're an embarrassment, you have failed in your duties.
Speaker 1: Or are they going to nominate him again? And then
Speaker 1: the question is to the people of Minnesota. Yes, I
Speaker 1: understand you're a very democratic state. You voted from Mondale
Speaker 1: over Reagan. Right now, I can forgive a lot, but
Speaker 1: that's that's really extreme. Look at the you know, the
Speaker 1: poster over my wall. But let's say, you know, like
Speaker 1: you have a choice, because if Walls wins the nomination
Speaker 1: in a primary, first, we'll see if there's a primary fight.
Speaker 1: I think if you're like I'm Minnesota, Democrats are crazy
Speaker 1: if they don't. If nobody jumps in and says, yes,
Speaker 1: we need to do better than this, but he may
Speaker 1: still win advantages of incumbency and all that. But let's
Speaker 1: says it's Walls versus any other Republican other than the
Speaker 1: MyPillow guy, which, by the way, like, come on, Republicans,
Speaker 1: we know we can do state house speakers running in
Speaker 1: this race, You're gonna have plenty of options. Do not
Speaker 1: throw this away on some nutjob. Right, you know you've
Speaker 1: got a great opportunity when the governor's mansion best chance
Speaker 1: is the whirling dervis of raw political charisma, timp po
Speaker 1: LENTI was in there, right, people of Minnesota, if you
Speaker 1: reelect Walls, you're saying that this poll is a lie.
Speaker 1: You're saying that you clearly don't really care about it,
Speaker 1: because when only also, who are these fourteen percent of
Speaker 1: Tim Walls has done enough? Like Walls family members like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna baffled by this, But like state of Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity. Something terrible has happened, you have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to fix it, or you have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, we say, we're upset about this,
Speaker 1: but we're not actually willing to do anything different about
Speaker 1: it by voting for somebody. We are perfectly comfortable with
Speaker 1: the status quo. That is the message you will get
Speaker 1: if you reelect him Walls, and my suspicion is that
Speaker 1: the fraud will only continue if you keep this guy
Speaker 1: in charge for another four years.
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting because despite it being a
Speaker 2: blue state for the most part, the margins and the
Speaker 2: legislatures are pretty thin because remember we had that one
Speaker 2: seat was going to decide the majority, I think in
Speaker 2: the state House. And so I think when we see
Speaker 2: how serious the lawmakers are, particularly the Democrats, in investigating
Speaker 2: this and getting answers and weather Walls is cooperative, I
Speaker 2: think that's going to tell a lot about whether the
Speaker 2: people who would normally be inclined to vote for Democrats
Speaker 2: give them the benefit of the doubt here and trying
Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of it. I don't think
Speaker 2: they deserve the benefit of the doubt, but I think
Speaker 2: that might at least give them cover for continuing to
Speaker 2: vote for Democrats if they try to sweep it all
Speaker 2: under the rug. I almost want to see Tim wallsby
Speaker 2: the nominee, because I think he's going to get bludge
Speaker 2: into the ballot box.
Speaker 1: Yes, and look, if you're a post a Republican, it's
Speaker 1: the old National Review cover of Howard Dean. Please nominate
Speaker 1: this man, please do not you know, alter course, but
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jim, that was nice. Dur a couple of
Speaker 2: days with no good martinis. We actually had three of them.
Speaker 2: Kind of cleanses the palette a little bit. Don't you
Speaker 2: think We.
Speaker 1: Make no guarantees. But the rest of the week, dear listeners, Right,
Speaker 1: so when we go over the topics we find three
Speaker 1: good ones, just let's do it all good day because
Speaker 1: those opportunities don't come along. We'll see. That's we knocking
Speaker 1: on one.
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