1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to thepeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button, get every episode for free, write to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,359 your support. 10 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,039 Speaker 2: All righty, So, the story that. 11 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: The local media is focusing on today is that Mecklinberg 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,640 County Sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden refused to comment 13 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:47,560 about the court petition filed by five people in Mecklinberg 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,359 County for former employees and one sitting state lawmaker seeking 15 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:55,840 his removal from office. Last night, he had a pre 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,759 scheduled before the petition was filed and became public. Scheduled 17 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:05,480 a meeting to talk about the reopening of Jail North. 18 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:11,680 Jail North was the juvenile detention facility. This facility was 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:18,599 closed in twenty twenty two under McFadden's leadership. At the 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,719 time it was they claimed it was COVID related. They 21 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,200 had staffing shortages, and so we had to close Jail 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,680 North to transfer his employees out of the juvenile facility 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:38,439 to the Central Jail Okay. And then since twenty twenty two, 24 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:44,519 we have been bussing the Mecklenburg juvenile arrestees up to 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Cabaris County to the state facility there, and we've been 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,280 paying the state three million dollars a year roughly to 27 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:56,799 house them there. However, if we were to house them here, 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,920 we would keep that three million dollars and the state 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,959 would pay us four to five million dollars. So that's 30 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:11,599 roughly an eight million dollar or so savings that Mecklimberg 31 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,840 County would realize to offset the cost of operating Jail North, 32 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,120 which McFadden at the forum last night said he put 33 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,960 the cost to reopen it and to staff it at 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,479 about fifteen and a half million dollars, So half of 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,840 that is already can already be taken care of. I 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,520 don't and by the way, I don't trust these numbers 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,080 from McFadden, because they do they're not all inclusive, and 38 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,639 they don't include the offsets. When he gave his slideshow presentation, 39 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:43,120 he did not include any of the state offsets. He 40 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:44,560 was just like, he's going to cost us fifteen and 41 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,560 a half million dollars. Well, then the state guy who 42 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:52,680 was there, his name Billy Lasseter or William Lassiter, the 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,919 Department of Public Safety deputy secretary. He then outlines, well, 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,719 you know the three million dollars that you keep, the 45 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:05,159 four to five million dollars that the state would pay you. Oh, 46 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,280 and also the costs which were not broken down in 47 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,000 McFadden's slide show the costs of feeding the inmates. The 48 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:16,199 state would pay for that, and the state would pay 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:23,439 for the Medicaid for medical services, so that wasn't included. 50 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,120 So I don't even trust these numbers that McFadden gave 51 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:32,199 last night. But McFadden keeps claiming that he wanted to 52 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,280 keep Jail North open, and I believe him that he 53 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,000 wanted to keep it open. But the caveat here is 54 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:44,000 that only if it's under his control. He doesn't ever 55 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,879 say that, but that's very obvious at this point after 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,639 watching that forum last night, it is quite obvious that 57 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:54,000 the only way McFadden allows that Jail North to open 58 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,520 is if he maintains control over all the hiring, over 59 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,639 all the employees and everybody at that forum wanted the 60 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:11,000 Juvenile Detention Facility to reopen. Media is not covering what 61 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,800 was said during the forum and the options that were 62 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,759 presented during the forum. Now, last hour, I played a 63 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:23,560 clip where McFadden makes a comment about how it's so 64 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:29,160 difficult for him to recruit staff because people will just 65 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:31,680 go to work at a gas station making sixty five 66 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,199 thousand dollars a year. And again, I'm not sure what 67 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:39,399 the starting salary of a gas station attendant is. I 68 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:41,839 would be shocked if it is sixty five k a year. 69 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:46,240 I'm in the wrong line of work. But that told 70 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,160 me that that's the starting salary that he's paying his 71 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:55,319 detention officers sixty five k. Okay, why is that important? 72 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:58,279 He says he cannot recruit enough people. He can't staff 73 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:02,519 up Jail North to re then because he can't hire 74 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,199 ninety six people, and he kept saying ninety six people, 75 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:07,560 ninety six staff, ninety six staff. He kept saying it 76 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,600 over and over and over again. We can't hire it, 77 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:12,639 we can't onboard that many people, we can't train that 78 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,360 many people. Nobody wants to work for that low of 79 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:21,879 a pay scale. But then William Lassiter from the State 80 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:27,279 he says, actually, the state would be happy to help 81 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:32,439 with restaffing where it can. The state would help them. 82 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,879 Speaker 3: Now, when the facility opened, we actually when it did 83 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:39,040 the training for them, the basic training for juvenile justice, 84 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,959 they also did the regular detention officer training, so they 85 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:45,040 were duly certified in both detention officer and as a 86 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,959 juvenile officer. And so we provide that training. We would 87 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:50,199 be glad to do that again. We also helped hell 88 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,519 It paid this year over Tom so that he could 89 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,120 have staff while good staff are engaged in training, he 90 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,079 could have his other original staff come in and back up. 91 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,839 There's other staff. So we did a lot of upfront 92 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,879 cost in the contract. We're willing to do that again. No, 93 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,600 but I agree with the year. Staffing is the office part. 94 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:11,079 That's the topice part for us at Caviers. I have 95 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,360 a forty percent vacancy rate right now at Cavier's. Is 96 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:18,720 a we pay a lot less than the year we 97 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 started thirty seven thousand. He starts around fifty five, right 98 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,560 or fifty somewhere in the higher okay, even higher than that. 99 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,319 Speaker 2: I can recruit right now if you need me too, 100 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:30,279 higher than that. 101 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Remember earlier he said they can go work at QT 102 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,639 for sixty five k. So either that's the same amount 103 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,319 of money or it's a little bit higher than what 104 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:46,040 the sheriff's offering starting salaries for detention officers Cabaris County 105 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:49,959 forty percent vacancy. You know what the vacancy is at 106 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:55,319 the Sheriff's office. It's about forty percent. So tell me 107 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,319 what am I to conclude when and the state is 108 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:06,800 offering starting pay at thirty seven thousand in Cabaris, Mecklenburg 109 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:12,160 is offering almost twice that amount, and we have the 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,279 same vacancy level. 111 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: What does that do to. 112 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,639 Speaker 1: Why would people take the job working for the state 113 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:25,079 in Cabarras County but not try to almost double their 114 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,680 salary by just coming across the state line or the 115 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,480 county line into Mecklemburg. Why not go to work for 116 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,279 McFadden and make sixty five to start? Is there something 117 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:41,399 else that might be driving people's decisions not to want 118 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:45,040 to work for Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office even though it's 119 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:50,199 going to almost double your salary. Hmm, gosh, it's a 120 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:57,439 brain buster. It's the difference in employers. People don't want 121 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,680 to work for him I keep saying this, and I'm 122 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,680 not just I'm not making this up. I'm not just 123 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:05,040 saying that. I'm saying it because this is what people 124 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,560 who work for McFadden have worked for McFadden, what they 125 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,480 have said. Once again, I point out he had his 126 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,000 two chief deputies both quit after only nine months on 127 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,079 the job of peace and when they quit, they went 128 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:31,279 public with their massive letter of resignation outlining all of 129 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:36,960 the abuses of power, the manipulation, the narcissism, the micromanagement, 130 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:42,360 what they would constantly call his refusal to follow a 131 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,519 chain of command. And we went over these allegations that 132 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,360 were in this petition that was filed by four of 133 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,919 his former employees along with a sitting state representative, seeking 134 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,720 his ouster through the criminal courts, which is state law. 135 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: You can do that. I've been advocating that for three years. 136 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,399 Speaker 1: After he won reelection, I was like, this guy needs 137 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,399 to be removed. I went looking up the state law 138 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,000 to what do you do with the sheriff. I went 139 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:10,759 looking it up and there it is in the state statute. 140 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,919 Here's how you remove somebody from the sheriff's office. And 141 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,000 they're following this process and the allegations now have been 142 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,879 referred over to the State Bureau of Investigations by the 143 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:27,519 Mecklenburg District Attorney. So that's the backdrop there, right. So 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,679 the allegations about how he runs the sheriff's office have 145 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:33,559 been out there. 146 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:36,639 Speaker 2: For almost eight years. People have known this. 147 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Now. It would also point out that at the state level, 148 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,879 and this is what Lasseter said last night, both the 149 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:50,200 House and the Senate in their budgets their proposals, they're 150 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,840 raising salaries by more than ten percent, but because they 151 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,200 haven't agreed on a budget yet, those raises haven't kicked 152 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,879 in for these state employees. You know, stories are powerful. 153 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 154 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,559 Stories connect us to the people of our past while 155 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,000 transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life, 156 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,960 and our stories are told through images and videos. 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Some are ridiculous, they come from Sheriff 174 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:22,360 not my fault, McFadden, and some are rejected by Sheriff, 175 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,720 not my fault mcfatten, even though they are obvious solutions 176 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:33,039 to the problem. William Lassiter spoke at this public forum 177 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,679 last night and he was asked by the District Court 178 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:44,320 Judge Aretha Blake, what other options are there to reopen 179 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Jail North or another juvenile jail facility in Mecklenburg County. 180 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,360 And here was his answer, Oh, that's not the right 181 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,320 sound bit. It hang on a second, I'm looking for 182 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,120 seven there we go, Well, we did. 183 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: We did send a letter to the county banner, to 184 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,759 the county commissioners, win the facility close. We offered to 185 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:08,000 lease the facility so that the state could operate it ourselves. 186 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,559 We offered to buy the facility outright and we would 187 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,279 operate it as a state owned facility. At that point, 188 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,559 we offered to obviously continue the contract with this year 189 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,279 as an option. So those are the three big options 190 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,720 that are we're on the table. So right now, the 191 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,960 General Simby has provided for me forty eight million dollars 192 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,360 to build a new facility. They're not willing for me 193 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 to do that in Mecklinburg County because they say there's 194 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,200 a facility already here, And they say, why would we 195 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,320 spend ninety million dollars on building a facility Because mcliburg 196 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,879 County planned is expensive, it's hard to have enough space 197 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:47,399 for a juvenile facility. They say, why would we build 198 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,120 a new facility in the county if there's one there 199 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,240 that we wouldn't have to pay that type of money 200 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,320 for its building in the in the county. So we're 201 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,200 we're looking at other locations for that facility. But we've 202 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,480 also asked a general simply to would often say, if 203 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,120 there's an option here needs some capital money that helped 204 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,840 the shareff with this facility with jail nor we're willing 205 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,519 to pump some money into that facility, capital money to 206 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,679 improve that out of that forty eight million that general 207 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:14,480 simply has set aside for that purpose. But we just 208 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:16,799 need to know what what the needs are as far 209 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,279 as capital to do that with, and we need to 210 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,600 make sure it's a truly a viable option before we 211 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,840 do that. I don't want to spend money on a 212 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,720 facility we end up not using, so leasing buying. I 213 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:29,159 think the sheriff has said that, and I don't want 214 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:31,279 to put words in your mouth, but if this isn't correct, 215 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,159 correct me. He doesn't want to go with the facility 216 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:35,840 because he may need it. If you had a fire 217 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,879 central jail, then he may need jail NORF is a 218 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:41,480 backup or if there's a hurricane or whatever that's knocked 219 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,679 out services of that facility, he may need jail NORF 220 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:46,639 as a backup facility. So he doesn't want to sell 221 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:48,879 it to me. He doesn't really want to lease it 222 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:51,840 to me either, for that same purpose. And so really 223 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,159 the option that we have here is either the shriff 224 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,720 runs it out of that jail jail norp or the 225 00:13:57,799 --> 00:14:02,200 county would would do it as a step deal where 226 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,200 we'd have a county department that would run that facility. 227 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,320 And what I mean by that is maybe the Department 228 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,960 of Social Services or some other group within the county 229 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,600 could operate the facility as an option. And the reason 230 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,120 why I just throw that one out there is that 231 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,799 that ninety six staff that the sheriff is talking about, 232 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,879 it may be easier to recruit if they're not being 233 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:26,600 recruited as sheriffs deputy would as a social worker or 234 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,080 as a youth counselor tech is what we call them, 235 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:34,320 youth counsel in our facilities. So that is another option. 236 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:36,159 I don't know if it's a viable option or not, 237 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,200 but it's one that we do in other counties. 238 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Interesting, we have several options available to us. Just have 239 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,799 the county run it and hire ute councilor techs as 240 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,480 they are called in other counties, rather than just turning 241 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:02,399 it over to the sheriff or sure, he won't lease it, 242 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:06,919 he won't sell it, he won't continue the contract he 243 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:12,200 can't keep staff. The state won't give the forty eight 244 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,320 million dollars to the state agency to build another facility 245 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,639 because we have a facility that is not being used, 246 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,159 and McFadden says he can't possibly give it up because 247 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:26,840 he needs the spare jail. He needs a spare jail 248 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,799 just in case, which is absolutely absurd. I am not 249 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:34,919 aware again, I'm not aware of another county mecklem in 250 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,720 North Carolina that has a spare jail on backup in 251 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:41,120 case of a hurricane, not even the ones that are 252 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:48,519 in the paths of hurricanes. This seems like petty grievance 253 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,279 politics by the sheriff. That's what this seems like. Oh, 254 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,919 you're going to send your inspectors down and cite me 255 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:57,399 and my jail. Okay, then you know what, I'm gonna 256 00:15:57,399 --> 00:15:59,519 shut down Jail North. I'm gonna move all of those 257 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:03,799 employees back to Jail Central. That's what it's That's what 258 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 it sure seems like. 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For additional terms and responsible 280 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:20,200 gaming resources, see DKNG dot co slash audio Limited time offer. 281 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,400 So talking about the proposals to reopen the Juvenile jail 282 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,599 Facility aka Jail North. This was the subject of the 283 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:35,559 public forum that was held last night. Mecklemberg County Sheriff 284 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:38,640 Gary not my fault McFadden appeared along with the Department 285 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,720 of Public Safety Deputy Secretary Billy Lassiter, and they took 286 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:45,559 questions from the audience and about an hour of it 287 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,039 was just filled with people, you know, ranting about their 288 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:54,240 personal experiences and stuff, but not really talking about Jail North. 289 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,759 They were talking about sort of criminal justice and crime 290 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:02,359 and different issues. But what became very clear last night 291 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,400 is that there are options available to reopen the facility. 292 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,839 And it also became very clear to me at least 293 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:14,720 that the obstacle to virtually all of these options is 294 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:21,799 our sheriff. It's McFadden. As I mentioned, the state has 295 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,720 offered to lease Jail North and run it themselves. They've 296 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:30,119 offered to buy the facility and run it themselves. They've 297 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,559 offered to continue the contract that was not renewed back 298 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:34,519 in twenty twenty two. 299 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: There is. 300 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: Almost fifty million dollars the state has set aside for 301 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,440 a new juvenile jail facility. But the state is like, 302 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,720 why we would we build a new facility in meckliberg County. 303 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,960 With the land prices being what they are, we're going 304 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,359 to build a facility when you've got one sitting right 305 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,079 there that's empty, why don't we just use that one? 306 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,359 Because again, juvenile detention is a state responsibility, but there's 307 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,319 a cost sharing mechanism in the state law. So if 308 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,559 the county is running it, the county would get money 309 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,960 from the state to house the inmates. But if the 310 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,720 county is sending those juvenile inmates out of county to 311 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,519 a state facility, then the county has to pay the 312 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:24,240 state for half of the cost. There was another option 313 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:28,440 that the county could run it, not the sheriff, the county. 314 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Now I had not heard this option ever pitched before, 315 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,799 but that to me seems like the way that the 316 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:43,000 county commissioners can do something. This is on the county 317 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,720 commissioners now completely controlled by Democrats, so I don't know 318 00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:50,000 if they will do it. But the community has been 319 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:54,880 demanding the reopening of Jail North, and if the impediment 320 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,319 to doing so is the sheriff, then County commissioners, you 321 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:03,240 have the ability to do this. Now you are going 322 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,160 to have to reprioritize some of your funding. As I've 323 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,799 gone over in the past, they spend more on parks 324 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:13,319 and rec than they do on the justice system. So 325 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,200 you might need to reprioritize your spending to promote public safety, 326 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:23,039 to raise the funding level for public safety. 327 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:24,039 Speaker 2: And that's going to take. 328 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: Away from some of your other priorities that you prefer, 329 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:30,440 that you that make you feel warm and fuzzy. You're 330 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 going to have to maybe dial back some of that 331 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 spending and do the thing that actually is the primary 332 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,160 function of any government, which is to provide security and 333 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:49,039 a justice system. So last clip here from last night, McFadden, 334 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,519 who has he has he had pitched another idea which 335 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:57,680 was a ridiculous idea, which was to close down the 336 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,880 state facility in Gibers County where we are currently sending 337 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:07,400 our juveniles while they await trial and hearings. So he says, 338 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,759 close down Cabara's County and give me all of your employees, 339 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,359 which by the way, would still be understaffed at Jail North. 340 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,079 He says, just transfer them over to my employment. And 341 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,240 the state last night told him the state eyelassiters like, yeah, 342 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,119 we can't do that. They would have to reapply for 343 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,960 those positions. It's not a simple transfer. You can't legally 344 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,279 do that. But McFadden kept harping on this idea that 345 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,920 we can't possibly hire ninety six staff. It's just too 346 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,680 much of a burden. We can't possibly find enough people. 347 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: And I get it. 348 00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:50,559 Speaker 1: This pressure exists in law enforcement offices all over the place. 349 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,200 Thank you the defund the police crowd aka Democrats, thank 350 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,640 you for that. Right when you villainize an entire profession, 351 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,400 then shockingly, people don't want to go into that profession. 352 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,960 So this is you know, your own fault, and we 353 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,359 are all now living under the with the circumstances that 354 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,240 you guys created. 355 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:14,279 Speaker 2: I get that, but the state dismissed this idea. Can't 356 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:14,599 do that. 357 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: Gary can't just transfer state employees over to county sheriff's 358 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,039 office employees. 359 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: We can't do that. 360 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,079 Speaker 1: They would have to reapply, and there are different standards 361 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:25,839 that the state uses versus the county. 362 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: So there's that too. 363 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: Although McFadden does have a bit of a history of 364 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,519 letting people slide on some of the requirements to get jobs. 365 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,920 That was in the petition that was filed for his removal. 366 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,759 So then McFadden proposed yet another ridiculous idea here it is. 367 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 4: I would love to say that My idea is Okay, 368 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,839 if you've got forty two million, and this what I'm 369 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,079 saying we put up there on the table. 370 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: If you willn't spend forty two million, can we renovate 371 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:58,160 that building. 372 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,279 Speaker 4: To fight that That will be both of what they 373 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,440 need if you have this kind of money. 374 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,599 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this, and God forgive me for said. 375 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,319 Speaker 4: It's politics here, No matter what to think, it's politics. 376 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,400 They play nice in your face, but when we behind 377 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,279 that doors, his politics. If I have a building and 378 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:20,519 I'm willing to open it, why can't you fund it? 379 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,279 Speaker 3: If I have a building and willing. 380 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 4: To open it, why can't you create a mechanism, which 381 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,519 is an HR group of people to hire. 382 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: Ninety six people. 383 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: If you want to fund it, you can give me 384 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:38,640 the money and I'll take the money and I'll create 385 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,279 my I'll create an own HR unit just for the 386 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:46,279 tension center, not my HR unit, not my HR or 387 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:49,200 recruiting unit. You're gonna have to have people to recruit 388 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,720 hire ninety six people. If they want to say, well, sure, 389 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,720 if here's an X amount of money to open up 390 00:23:55,759 --> 00:24:01,240 an HR to fund another unit to hire particularly for 391 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:01,839 that unit. 392 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: Why can't. It's a lot of things that we can do, 393 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,079 but who's willing to do it? 394 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So the forty two million is capital money for 395 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,759 the construction of a new facility, but the state says, 396 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:17,039 you already have a facility. So he's saying, okay, well, 397 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,880 give me the money and I will build a new 398 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,519 HR unit that will go out and try to hire 399 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:28,000 people just for the juvenile detention facility. The problem is 400 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,319 you're still hiring into the Mecklimberg County Sheriff's office, and 401 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,400 people don't want to work there, even with the higher 402 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:40,119 pay than other state run facilities. The state is paying 403 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:44,680 the Cabaris County jailers starting at thirty seven K, and 404 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 it's hard to hire at that price point. Mecklinberg County 405 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,480 is starting salaries around sixty K, and they still can't 406 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,039 compete with the state. All Right, if you're listening to 407 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,599 this show, you know I try to keep up with 408 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,759 all sorts of current events, and I know you do too, 409 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,440 And you've probably heard me say get your news from 410 00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:06,079 multiple sources. 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Okay, yes, there is say risk in talking 428 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,680 about all of this stuff revolving around Sheriff Gary not 429 00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:10,400 my fault McFadden, which Becky highlights in an email to 430 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,720 Pete at the Petekalnarshow dot Com that not my fault 431 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,119 McFadden could scream that his feelings were hurt and the 432 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,200 county could pay him off, just like the city did 433 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,799 for former police chief Johnny Jennings. 434 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: Like that that is a risk. 435 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: Yes, from the WBT text line. Let me see if 436 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,119 I can get through a bunch of these texts here 437 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,599 from Lloyd. Maybe in the Mecklelberg County Sheriff's Office should 438 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,559 use some of the money they're planning to remodel the 439 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,319 Sheriff's office downtown. With that money would be better suited 440 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,440 to bring back the juvenile detention center and maybe go 441 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,160 to vy Lyles to see if she can find some 442 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,200 extra money with the city council to throw at him 443 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:54,680 under the table. Maybe this is from Bubba who says 444 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240 maybe if Gary wasn't such a tyrant, he wouldn't have 445 00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:58,359 a staffing issue. 446 00:26:58,559 --> 00:26:59,079 Speaker 2: Just a thought. 447 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, David says staffing is an issue at the state 448 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,599 and local government levels. I've been in law enforcement for 449 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240 over thirty three years. It's hard to find people who 450 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,079 meet the standards for the amount of money the agency pays. Yes, 451 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,920 no doubt about that, No doubt. However, when I do 452 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,680 a comparison between Cabaris County and Mecliburg County and McFadden 453 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:26,799 is at forty percent vacancy or higher, and Cabarris County's 454 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:31,559 state facility for juveniles is at a similar staffing vacancy problem. 455 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,559 Speaker 2: Yet the state is only. 456 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: Starting their salaries at thirty seven thousand and McFadden is 457 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,359 starting his at somewhere around sixty k. Then that's obviously 458 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,279 indicative of because the market would say that you would 459 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,079 get more people coming to Meclimber County to take these jobs. 460 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,839 But the market is also saying that even when you 461 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,519 have that inflated salary, that there's another reason people don't 462 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:05,400 want to take this job. Mike says, when Jail North 463 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,920 was closed, there had to have been substantial savings, right, personnel, utilities, insurance. 464 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,559 Was the sheriff's budget decreased? Where do the savings go? Well, 465 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,079 it was closed. They cited the cost savings as a 466 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,920 time when they were trying to balance the budget and 467 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,079 the county commissioners wanted to use the savings for other priorities. 468 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,039 Speaker 2: Alfred plea, Oh, this is from QT now hiring. What 469 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,400 does that say? Fifteen ninety an hour? So not sixty five. 470 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: Thousand, seven oh four numbers, says qts that have armed 471 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,599 guards get paid more than thirty dollars an hour. Oh 472 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,599 so maybe McFadden's talking about I could just go to 473 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,519 work for QT as an armed guard. Mike says, I'm 474 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,240 not against Sheriff McFadden being removed, but if he's removed, 475 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,799 who would succeed him? I'm assuming his chief deputy and 476 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:05,559 the last two have not enjoyed working for him. So 477 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,839 h seven oh four number says great news on the sheriff. However, 478 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,920 I doubt his constituents will care. Besides, why do we 479 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,039 need more jail capacity? I thought the county was using 480 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,240 mental health interventions to prevent crime. Well, and look, I've 481 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,440 made this point before. You know, we constantly hear about 482 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,680 the population growth in Charlotte, in Mecklenburg in North Carolina, 483 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,920 right the local boosters talk about how we've got, you know, 484 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880 two hundred people a day moving into Mecklinberg County or 485 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,799 whatever it is, and yet we have not expanded jail 486 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,839 capacity in like twenty years. 487 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,559 Speaker 2: Make that make sense? It doesn't. 488 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: Obviously, if you're not expanding the capacity of the jail 489 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,599 while you have a population boom, then you're not going 490 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,960 to have enough room for all of the people that 491 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,680 go to the jail. It's it's a simple proportional argument. 492 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,200 You know, it's logic. You got to have more beds. 493 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:08,279 Rodney says, according to the Internet, starting salary for a 494 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:10,920 detention officer in Mecklelberg County is fifty six to fifty 495 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,240 eight thousand annually. Okay, maybe there are dances. Maybe there 496 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:20,839 are no qts in Cabaris County. That's so they can't 497 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,480 take the jobs there. Laurie says, I cannot believe he 498 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,279 still has a job. Adam says the reason McFadden must 499 00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:32,000 maintain control of the juvenile center is because if he 500 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,079 does not control it, ninety four of his current jail 501 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:39,119 staff will leave to go to work there. That's well, 502 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,079 that's a problem for him, then, wouldn't it be. Yeah, 503 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,240 if you've got people that are qualified that are working 504 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:49,039 right now at Jail Central and the county were to 505 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,720 open up, reopen Jail North and open it as a 506 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,880 county facility, then you would have a bunch of people 507 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,319 transferring out of Jail Central going to work at Jail 508 00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:00,759 North because they don't want to work for m anymore. 509 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480 Nine eight zero number says, I live in a neighboring county. 510 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,039 One of those chief deputies quit McFadden and came here 511 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,680 to work as a low level patrol deputy. It was 512 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:19,160 not for the money. Assistant manager at QT sixty five 513 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,000 thousand a year and probably more hours. That's from a 514 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920 seven oh four number. Another number says, why does the 515 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160 sheriff have the authority to make real estate decisions? I 516 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960 would think that's the county manager and council's decision. Oh, 517 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,640 that's from Diane. I get all of the issues with 518 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,680 not my fault McFadden, but how is he any different 519 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,079 than other Marxist leftist public office holders in this country 520 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,000 other than the method used to sell the con Or scam. 521 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,799 He's dropping a few not my faults in there. I 522 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:50,240 thought he was about to say it. 523 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:52,839 Speaker 2: So again. 524 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,759 Speaker 1: The state offered to buy it, he said, no, The 525 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,079 problem is McFadden. State offered to lease Jail North. He said, no. 526 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,440 Problem is McFadden can reopen it. But McFadden can't hire 527 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,839 the staff. He says, can't onboard that many people. Again, 528 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,599 people don't want to work for him. That's his fault. 529 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,000 McFadden says, give me the money and I'll open up 530 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,480 a special HR unit to hire people. Away, But again 531 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,519 people don't want to work for him, so that won't 532 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:24,119 be successful either. So again he's the problem. And his 533 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,119 idea to transfer everybody from Cabaris to Jail North that's 534 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,279 not legal, and also people don't want to work for him, 535 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200 so again his fault. So we are not getting Jail 536 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,039 North reopened with McFadden as the sheriff, that is clear. 537 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,079 He keeps saying it's politics, and I guess in some 538 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,759 sense he's right, it's about his politics. 539 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: All right. 540 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,319 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 541 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,400 for listening. I could not do the show without your 542 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,200 support and the support of the businesses that advertise on 543 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,039 the podcast, so if you'd like, please support them too 544 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:57,759 and tell them you heard it here. You can also 545 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,400 become a patron at my Patreon page or go to 546 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,240 thepeteclenarshow dot com. 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