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Speaker 1: Judicial activism, immigration. Have we reached a party where it's

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too hard to put the genie back into the bottle?

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Can it be done? And where is it going? All

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that more? Stay tuned, Welcome back to the Jeremy Ryan

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It'll like this video, leave us comment and smash the

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subscribe button. Sport liberty, freedom and want to build a

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better future. And I am excited about the conversation we're

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going to have today. I had the pleasure of being

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on today's guest show a bit ago as we kind

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of started talking about the Roman Empire, and it's been

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kind of a fun and interesting year and we're going

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to dive into some really important issues around immigration and

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some other things as well. So Peter Kunones, thanks for

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hanging out with me today.

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Speaker 2: Man, thanks for inviting me on. I appreciate it. You've

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actually been on twice. You've been on the shows, have

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been on twice.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, man, I didn't realize that was that cool. Yeah,

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my parents don't even let me on twice.

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Speaker 2: The first time was actually we talked about immigration and

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how it affected the Roman Empire. But I think now

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that now that we've gotten beyond and Trump's been elected

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the I think there's a lot more to dive into

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and the other reaction that we've seen following his election

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and some of the things that he's tried to do.

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Speaker 1: So for people that may not be familiar with you

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and what you do, and I just tell us about

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who you are, what you do, more we can find you.

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Speaker 2: This is my eighth year. Podcasting started in July twenty seventeen.

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It's called The Freeman Beyond the Wall podcast. Back then

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and I decidedly libertarian anarco capitalists bent. I'd been questioning

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those priors around twenty nineteen and when covid hit pretty

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much decided that nobody that the majority of people, the

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overwhelming majority of people in all ages, do not want liberty.

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They want to be told what to do. So I

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started looking upon libertarianism and constitutionalism and even like a

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lot of the Founding Principles as well. I mean that's

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for some people, it's for an elite, but everybody else

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wants to be told what to do, and libertarians are like,

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we just want to be left alone. So I basically

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decided to delve into history and look at more realistic

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kind of politics, the Italian elite school, people like James Burnham,

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and then going back then starting to get into the classics,

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more Catholic history, European history of Thomas Aquinas, and coming forward,

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I just started concentrating more on history, more on philosophy

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and revisionist history, which is I think something that is

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becoming very popular, and you can see that by there

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are factions, especially on the quote unquote right, that are

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calling revisionist history now woke. So yeah, that's uh, I'm

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one of those. I'm one of those people that they

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call the woke right, and I you know, it's a

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it's a ridiculous pejorative. There are must there are much

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worse things. There are much better things you should call

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me that are historical pejoratives. But yeah, it's still funny.

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Speaker 1: It's you know. The thing that's interesting though, is there's

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been a weird cycle of action with this I guess

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second Trump election, right, it was a very overwhelming victory, right,

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that's what we saw initially, and then there's been kind

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of this very strange division on the right, like you

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were just alluding to, and it kind of seems like

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the power base is really disappearing in a lot of ways,

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if that makes sense. Where it's kind of hard to follow,

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well what is the correct narrative here? Where are we

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going with things? And I've actually, frankly, I don't know

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about you, I found it hard to follow how are

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we actually even doing? That's been the hard thing for

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Speaker 2: Well, to me coming in, the first thing that I

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wanted to see was the January sixth tourists pardoned completely,

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and we got that. That was really good. I wanted

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to see things like Usaide addressed. Now that's one of

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those things where it's like I think the power of

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it handed over to the State Department and they haven't

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really said what they're doing with it. So that's a question.

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that there are certain offices that were closed because their

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funding disappeared, and most people assume that has to do

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about immigration. It was as some people have pointed out.

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the best. The best summary of immigration when it comes

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to this regime is a Democrat gets elected and they

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let in fifteen million illegal immigrants undocumented. Don't know where

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way of part of the law, so they technically are legal,

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but according to the law they're illegal. And then a

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Republican gets in and they don't they are still, you know,

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just stalled in doing anything, whether it's biactivist judges. I mean,

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judges in the district Court weren't even born in the

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United States, and you're basically seeing Yeah, I mean, I

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think about you know, my great grandparents came here in

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nineteen ten from Poland, and I'm thinking if they asked

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my great granddad, if he you know, you want to

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be a judge, he'd be like no, he'd be like, no,

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on the ground. Who am I to tell these people?

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not only do you have to look at who the

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regime puts in charge, but you also have to look

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at the character of somebody who wasn't born here who

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would want that position, want a position of power over

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people that they have really no connection to ethnically or

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you know, philosophically. And so if a republic if a

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Republican gets in and then they can't get rid of

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the fifteen million, and then a Democrat gets picking and

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they let in another ten million, and we don't have

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after a while, the country is completely replaced the or

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it's overcrowded, and that argument can be made. I don't

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like the overcrowding argument. I do think the overcrowding argument

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definitely goes towards home prices and goes towards prices in general.

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time when people came here that they really integrated. Now

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you have people who come here who their whole purpose

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of coming here is to send money home, is to

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send money back to where and that's not taxed, And

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it just doesn't seem I mean, there are there's a

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lot more you can talk about with immigration, especially the

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immigration that we're we're experiencing, but just the fact that

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if this is a good thing, this is something that's

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going to make make the line go up, make line

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go up when it comes to GDP, this is something

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that's going to increase our tax base. Well, basically, if

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you're making those arguments, then we don't live in a country,

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we live in a bank. We're just a gigantic bank.

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a gigantic financial institution, financial institutions fall all the time.

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survive because the people are tight knit and they have

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something in common, and they have a common goal, and

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they actually share a common language, common lineage, common blood

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in most cases. And we're just fat. I mean, we're

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but at this I don't know if it's reversible. At

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this point, I mean, I don't know if it's reversible,

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because you could support thirty million people who don't belong

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here and you're still not fixing the philosophy, the philosophy,

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you're still not eliminating the philosophy that brought them here.

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So you know, I think we're seriously at a crossroads.

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it's just a matter of how do you how do

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you mitigate that, how do you continue to live and

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how do you know? How do you live within a

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aquolity that's just basically become financialized there's nothing social about anymore?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know even as well, Peter, I was talking

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at it, there's also some very I think that the

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point you hit on about the judiciary is really important,

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and you mentioned judges because you even look at in Brazil, right,

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one of the big ways they've handled things in Brazil

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is through the judiciary. And the issue that we're dealing

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with here is we've seen almost like a judicial coup

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in a lot of ways, right, like the executive decides

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this is the policy we're going to do, or the

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Congress decides this is the policy we're going to have,

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and the judiciary just decides no, we're not going to

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do that or we're not going to follow that policy.

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but there was a judge that was arrested. Was it

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in Ohio or something like that last week? And Wisconsin

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there we go, thank you. I knew it was someplace

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in the central but and people were crying at about oh,

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and they seem to forget I guess what happened to

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which was way worse. But this person was actually breaking

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the law as it relates to immigration in some ways.

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the judiciary, if that makes sense. And I'm curious how

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you've viewed that and how this relates to this whole

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think we're I think we're at

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one of those historical times that, unfortunately you would consider

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spent last month, I spent eight days in El Salvador,

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and El Salvador fifteen years ago was the murder capital

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of the world. And I felt safer in sen solid

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the door, their capital city, walking around with my wife

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that I do walking in New York City or walking

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in Atlanta. And he took revolutionary measures. And one of

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the things he did, if you go and read, people

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have done they've tried to keep this out of the

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press exactly how he did this, but you know, there

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are some sub stackers out there who have detailed diaries

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of how you know, lu Kelly cleaned it up. Well.

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and in someimes some ways sometimes he walked into meetings

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with the military and said you're all fired. You all

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do not have a job anymore. And he's cleaned his

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act up. When you go there, people, you talk to people,

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talk to normal people. They're just having a good time

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pardying in the streets, and you there's a presence of

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force there. They have some civil guard, they have military,

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but at this point it's more just now a show

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a show of force to be like don't even try it.

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But he had to go above and beyond. And I

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think that what the answer to that. If you started

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doing that here, the response you would get was that

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you're ignoring the Constitution. You're not. I'm sorry, these things

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are done. The Constitution stopped mattering twenty million illegals ago.

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You one side cannot one side cannot absolutely destroy everything

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that the country was founded upon. And then when someone

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tries to fix it, say, oh, you're destroying the constitution.

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And you know, there is the same way, Peter. They

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try to have it both ways though as well.

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Speaker 1: Right, like there's they'll use the argument of you're destroying

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the constitution, but then they'll also make the argument if

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they don't feel it can be used to support their

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actions that well we meet a new document. This document

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is old and or it's a living, breathing document. Right,

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so it's it's it seems like this thing is supposed

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to be rigid, but they use it very flexibly depending on,

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you know, what they're trying to accomplish. I poetess for

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interrupting you, but I just want to add that there no.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all the well, yeah, that whole thing,

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I mean, the Constitution. Is sure, the Constitution was made

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to be amended, but the Constitution also an article too vested.

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All power to the executive is all the power and

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all the powers that are listed or to the executive,

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a king. If you look at the amount of I

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any other president, and people will be like, oh, well,

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you know he served four terms. It's like this was

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all in like the first term and a half. So yeah.

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movement was basically a revolution. It was a turning of

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the regime. If you want to quote court cases in

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court that are older than the New Deal regime for precedent,

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you will get you will get pushback because basically everything's

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been rewritten when you know, and if you try to say, oh,

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well this thing from the eighteen this court case from

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the eighteen forties, well we had slavery. Then you have

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stuff like that where it's just like, well, none of that.

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so the civil rights regime of nineteen sixty four and

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nineteen sixty five, that we really became a country because

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now everyone was in Now everyone's included it. Well, and

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how are we doing since then? How's that worked out?

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And I just don't the constitutional arguments just don't stand

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up anymore. And I know that conserve conservatives who you know,

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we can argue this all day long and you're not

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going to change my mind. They're leftists, they're liberals. Liberals

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are leftists. Comes from the French, it comes from France. Produn,

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Produn and Bastiat sat on the same side, the left

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side in the French, in the French Parliament. That's where

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we get left and right from. They're leftists and they

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believe in liberalism. Liberalism is what brought us here. Liberalism

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is it basically is oh one team. If one team

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plays for keeps, the other team, if the other team

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doesn't play for keeps too, then that team dominates that team.

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that wants to just be left alone, is always going

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to be dominated by the person who wants to rule

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over them. If they're given the power, if they have

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the power. And that's another thing is you know, the

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whole thing about oh, you know, if the Republicans should

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be careful about the power that they're using because that

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will just be used against them. What's the what of

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this regime? I mean, I consider Republicans and Democrats be

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basically it's the same thing. It's all the regime. And

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you can see that when they vote. A friend of

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mine says, you know, you have the you have the

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stupid You have the stupid side, which is the Republicans.

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in a while they get together and they vote on

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the same thing, which is both evil and stupid. Well,

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that's when you realize that this is basically all one team,

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and you're basically you're allowed to you know, you're allowed

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to what did I think Chomsky talked about it? Where

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you it's a box and they put a whole bunch

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of things in this box, and those are the things

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who are allowed to argue over. But the things outside

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of the box you're not allowed to argue over. You

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have to be able to you're going to agree on those. So,

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I mean, what is the constitution anymore? It doesn't unless

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anybody enforces it unless anybody uses it. And I had somebody,

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I know, a lawyer who told me they used to

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use a constitution in court all the time, and they

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were like the only only lawyer they knew who would

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actually quote the Constitution in time, and it actually worked

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most of the time when they actually used it. Nobody

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uses it anymore. I mean, we had a Supreme Court justice,

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the last Supreme Court justice, I mean, didn't know what

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was in Article two. So it's like, Okay, what are

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we doing here? The country's being flooded. Springfield, Ohio is

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basically destroyed forever. There are cities all over this country

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that are basically destroyed forever. What the Constitution? Because of

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the Constitution, we can't fix that. No. I think if that,

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if you're using the Constitution as some kind of excuse

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to allow your destruction, well then the constitution is there's

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something wrong with the Constitution, or you're using it, or

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it's just there as an excuse for whoever needs to

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wield power over somebody else. Because most of the time

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when people are screaming the Constitution, the outcome usually is

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against the Constitution. So I think these courts, all these

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courts seem to be since the New Deal regime is

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some kind of Talmudic network to circumvent the Constitution and

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make arguments that it doesn't mean this and it doesn't

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mean that, and we can do whatever we want.

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Speaker 1: Where does that come from then, because if you look

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at it, you know there's I'm sure remember listen to

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a podcast too long ago that kind of looked at

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I think it was like Earl Warren and some other

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things after this, how they looked at how judicial activism

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changed dramatically. And I guess when you look at it,

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is it post New Deal? Is it nineteen sixties? When

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did the viewpoint of how a judge handled these things changed?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because if you look at that, that is what we're seeing,

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is we're seeing the furthest extent of judicial activism.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the New Deal, the New Deal set

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up so the best way I've ever heard it described

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is that FDR had the power of a king. Every

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bit of power that the government had he wielded, he

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drew to himself. And normally when you have a king,

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what does the king do? He prepares for the next

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person so that they can wield that power as well.

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Usually a son or a daughter. But I mean, in

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this case we have oh so precious democracy. Well he

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didn't pass it to anybody. So what it looks like

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when you look back in history is that all of

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that power when he left just went down into all

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of the departments that were created. So what you have

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is you have the creation of the deep state. You

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have the creation of the permanent I mean, and deep

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state sounds nefarious. It's just an execut It's just a

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like an executive body. It's just like a permanent state.

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People who are not the.

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Speaker 1: Ones that don't change election to election. They're just this

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is their.

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Speaker 2: Job, yeah, yeah, and their job is to perpetuate the state,

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to make sure the state keeps doing what it's doing.

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So the best way you can do that is to

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take control of the judicial the process of choosing judges,

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and you have as much influence around the president to

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appoint judges who will perpetuate this executive this well, a

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better term managerial state. That's what the term James Burnham used,

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the managerial revolution, the managerial state. So you just have

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this permanent state of managers who have no interest once

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they leave in whether the state state they made the

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state better, They made their department better, they made governance

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in this country better than it was. And so they

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just make it so that they always have a job

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while they're while they want a job, and then the

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next person gets to piggyback off of that. And that's

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where we're at now. And I heard rumblings pretty clearly

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that the people who were surrounding Trump for this election

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were people who were who were aware of that, who

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are aware of the manager or revolution, who had read

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James Burnham and different people who are written on this,

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and that they were going to attempt to try to

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dismantle it as much as possible. Problem is is that,

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I mean, you're talking about something that has entrenched itself

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for one hundred years, and if you have one hundred

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years to plant roots, and those roots get deep and

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they get you know, and these are sentient roots. These

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are roots that are that will fight back, that know

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how to fight back, that know how to hide, that

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know how to destroy the information that they the information

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that can take them down. So, you know, I don't

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really know that I have much faith that the manager

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that this managerial regime will be, you know, will be

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taken down. Now, the other thing that a group can

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do if they take paswer whereas they can try and

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take that managerial power and wield it themselves, but they

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always end up wielding it. For this, they're always going

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to succumb to the same impulses to perpetuate itself, not

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to reduce themselves, not to destroy it, not too That's

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why I think you hear those go we're going to

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get rid of to get rid of too trillion, and

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then it's like, oh no, we're going to get rid

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of five hundred billion, Oh no, we're and you just

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hear it. To me, that just says we didn't know

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what this deep, We didn't know want this deep, and

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we're you know, we don't know that we can do

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this well.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's the struggle. When I look at it,

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and I said it like to me, it feels like,

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you know, we came out of the gate ht and

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it starts to feel like we're losing because we're reducing it.

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We're seeing and you know, once again, I don't know

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how big of a fan I am of pte Hegseth,

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but we see like the Defense Department is suddenly seeming

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like they're they're turning on him in an attempt to

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push him out. And so it does seem like the

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barriers are are really showing themselves, and you start to question, well,

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can this team get this done or is it too entrenched?

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And just so I can correct myself from a few

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minutes ago, just because I was trying to remember where

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this was related to, the podcast I listened to was

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one Glenn Becka did like last July, and it was

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about three Supreme Court justices under Fdr Oliver Wendell Holmes,

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Lewis Brandeis, and Felix Frankfurter. So if people get a

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chance to check that out, like that really explains a

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lot of how the judiciary got where it currently is.

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Speaker 2: That's a demonic father, son and holy ghost right there.

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It's like the inversion of the Trinity right there. Yeah,

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I just don't know that this can be, that this

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can be fixed. The one thing I guess, the one

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place that I'm looking at right now. Sure there can

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still be some there could be some deportations, but I mean,

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when you really like, okay at it, we don't really

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know for sure how many people are in this country

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that don't belong here. I think it could be forty

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or fifty million, if that's true. If that's true, it's

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like you need the will to do that, and I

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don't know that anybody has the will to do that.

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So the one thing that I do see them doing

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through things that I see from Scott Bissent, I've been

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tracking Jerome Powell at the FED for a couple of

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years now because of my friend Tom Luongo, and it

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looks like they've, like Powell and Bescent and a couple

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other people, are really intent on strengthening the dollar, strengthening

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the American economy. There have been some things that I

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don't want to really want to get into because we'll

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just it's rabbit trail after rabbit trail. But basically they said, yeah,

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Powell's gone to war on the Euro and you know

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the World Economic Forum and yeah, he's basically done more

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to weeken the euro and weeke in the British pound

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than anyone in history. And yeah, he just.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because publicly, I feel like Powell gets a

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lot of he gets a lot of grief publicly. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I know that's it's k fib Bessent last week said

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said last week, I think he let it slip that

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he has he has lunch with Powell every Monday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, it's cap.

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Speaker 2: It's ca fab.

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Speaker 1: What does that that term term mean. I haven't heard

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that term before.

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Speaker 2: It's used for wrestling, professional wrestling. Like it's fake, like

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like the the the opponents are, you know, have a

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fake kind of thing going where you're.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so kind of like the storyline yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So so Powell has been doing has been doing this,

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and he's done amazing things. I mean, just our interest

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rate are the interest rates on our loans used to

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be used to be dictated by London, by the City

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of London. He basically shut that down and now it's

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dictated out of Chicago. I mean, it's He's done wonderful things.

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So that one thing that I'm really hoping for, and

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the thing that I'm following the most, is that we

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really fix the financial system here. Now that sounds completely

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antithetical to what I talked about in the beginning, where

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I said we don't want you know, we were seen

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as a bank, we're completely financialized. But the way I

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look at it is if this thing can't be fixed,

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then I want to be able to I want myself

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and the people I care about and the people who

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you know, share my values, to be as prosperous as

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possible for the future, because I don't see the future

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as being yeah, I see it as we're I'm not

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saying that there's going to be like a civil war

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that's going to like cover the whole country, But I

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see violence in the future. I mean, we saw it

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in twenty twenty. We've seen it in the past. We've

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seen insane violence. I mean, Seattle nineteen ninety nine. We

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have insane people that are ready to commit revolutionary violence

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in this country.

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Speaker 1: And I think we've also seen it historically as well,

476
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you know, whether it's you know, the brown Shirts before

477
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before kind of the Nazi revolution, and I know if

478
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you'd call it revolution, but it was more like a

479
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:34,519
gradual changeover. In Germany, there's a great book called In

480
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the Garden of Beasts. I don't know if you read it,

481
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but it details the ten years of life of the

482
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American ambassador to Germany and like what his life was

483
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,599
like and how he kind of gradually sees a lot

484
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of these things take over. So we have kind of

485
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that background of evidence. You could go back even further.

486
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And I know I've kind of beat the kind of

487
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beat this thing to death. But you look at even

488
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the Western Roman Empire when it fell in four seventy six,

489
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is there was nothing left to fall right it had

490
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you know, four to ten when all Aric sacts Rome,

491
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,559
there's really nothing left to sack at that point in time.

492
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The two hundreds and three hundreds, it kind of destroyed

493
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what it meant to be Roman and have Roman. But

494
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this comes down to two things, right, comes down to

495
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a lack of strong currency fifteen thousand percent inflation by

496
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two eighty four a d. And then you also have

497
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Rome had been using foreigners to fight wars for years, right,

498
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so then you would have this idea of well, if

499
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Rome can't pay me, then I'll go back to the

500
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Visigoths or the Ostrogoths or whatever it might be, and

501
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will we'll get Rome to give us what we want.

502
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And the thing you have to look at is if

503
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you don't handle economics, if you don't handle currency, especially

504
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with all these people here that you don't know, did

505
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,319
they really buy into the system anyway? Once there's no money,

506
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they have no reason to respect whatever's left of the system.

507
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Does that does that make sense.

508
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Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, and I don't believe that his repeats itself,

509
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,839
but I believe it's it goes in cycles, more Heglian

510
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than anything else. But I also don't believe that all

511
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,920
revolutionary violence is wrong. Sometimes you need revolutionary violence, and

512
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you know, it's just a matter of if I think

513
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,519
the revolutionary you know, you when you compare the revolution

514
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,640
in this country and the revolution in France, a lot

515
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,480
of people, a lot of people are like, oh, yeah,

516
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,000
much rather have the revolutionary violence here. But it was violence.

517
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:35,799
It was you know, it was not it wasn't at

518
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:39,319
the level of what happened in France, but it was

519
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,480
still violent. It was bloody, people died. You know, there

520
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,839
were terrorist acts committed. I mean, there was a lot

521
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,960
of things were done. We can't get past that. Yes,

522
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but you know, I mean, you know, I look at

523
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,119
Spanish Civil War and that's when I think that probably

524
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,960
relates the most to us because the Spanish Civil War

525
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or what the Republicans quote unquote republicans who sided with

526
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
the anarchists and sided with the left libertarians and sided

527
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:13,440
with the communists did, was they sought to destroy the

528
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,960
Catholic Church. And that's what I see here is I see,

529
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:26,119
it's a just a basic kind of secular humanist impulse

530
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,559
by people with people who are inspired by the same

531
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people who are inspired by in the Spanish Civil War

532
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and even even in you know, the Russian Revolution, the

533
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,480
Russian Civil War. That the they're the ones who are

534
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,640
looking for violence here, and they're the ones who are

535
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,200
willing to kill, and they're the ones who are willing

536
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:54,400
to they do not care about human life. And so

537
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,079
I mean, I see that in our future. I do.

538
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,680
I mean, people say, oh, that's impossible. It's like, oh,

539
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,839
you know, you're too fat, you can't even that doesn't matter.

540
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,480
That doesn't matter. It's just look at the look at

541
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the any kind of revolutionary activity that happened in the

542
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:17,000
twentieth century, sixty sixty year olds, you know, twelve year olds.

543
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I mean, when it happens, everyone's involved. I think it'd

544
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be more localized here and wed just be certain areas.

545
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But I think it's happening. So to head to circle

546
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,599
back as a terrible former press seers are used to say,

547
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we you know, I'm hoping that.

548
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,279
Speaker 1: I just got that. I'm sorry, I'm a little slow

549
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:39,720
on the uptake.

550
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Speaker 2: Peter I apologize that's all right, I do this for

551
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:48,319
a living. The uh, the I'm hoping the financial gets

552
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,400
fixed and especially for the next four years, four to

553
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,279
eight years, maybe twelve years, so that you know, the

554
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,319
people that I care about and the people that that

555
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,599
me and the most to me, and the people I

556
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,279
share values with, and the people that I collectivize with,

557
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,680
and that I I make plans for the future with

558
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,039
that we can make we can acquire property, and we

559
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,119
can set ourselves up to best weather this and to

560
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,000
survive it, because people will survive it. And the people

561
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,239
who survive at the best are the ones that can

562
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come out on the other side actually having the most influence.

563
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And you know, even being in charge.

564
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this show. Thanks again. So where do you think that goes?

578
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Speaker 2: Then?

579
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Speaker 1: In terms of you know, we've seen a lot of

580
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these policy chaines. You mentioned a lot of what Jerome

581
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,760
Powell has been doing. You know, it's done damage to

582
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,199
the euro and to the British pound and things like that.

583
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,360
So but where where does this in order to be successful?

584
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:28,840
Where does this have to go?

585
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,559
Speaker 2: It really has to go to ice, isolationism in the

586
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,119
in the in the immediate, we need to not worry

587
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,079
about what Israel is doing. We need to not worry

588
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,119
about what's going on in Ukraine. We need to not

589
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:50,039
worry about what's going on in Europe. And if you

590
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,039
pay attention to Europe, and you really are somebody who

591
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:57,599
watches the European Union meetings and reads their reads, their

592
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,280
briefings and stuff like that, there are our.

593
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Speaker 1: Enemies on this show. We like to call the the

594
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,960
the EU Starfleet Command. They just makes it a little

595
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,280
bit more funny. But anyway, yeah, we have are the

596
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,360
grand Queen or slav underlion over there. Anyways, there are enemies.

597
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,800
I mean, they've declared us. That doesn't mean that every

598
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,559
BRIT's our enemy. That doesn't mean every Germans our enemy.

599
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,679
But they're the leaders that they've allowed to take charge

600
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480
their our enemy. So I don't know what that looks like.

601
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:26,000
I don't know.

602
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't see that as a hot war kind of thing.

603
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,639
But really the thing that I see right now that's

604
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,599
most important is we have to get our manufacturing back

605
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,920
if we're going to make it in the short term,

606
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,000
and you know, that's something needs to be done about China.

607
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,440
And I don't want war with China. That's just ridiculous.

608
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,239
It's it's stupid. I've heard from people that I know,

609
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,599
who know people who you know, who have lunch with

610
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,400
presidents and have dinner with presidents, and they're saying that

611
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,559
they're expecting some kind of some kind of conflict that

612
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,880
could possibly be armed by the end of the year

613
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with China. Whether that's I would tend to think that

614
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would start on the seas, maybe a couple of ships

615
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,159
firing at each other, something like China China deciding that

616
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,239
all Taiwanese goods, imports and exports have to go through

617
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,239
mainland China first, which would cause a real, a real tension.

618
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And I could see a Chinese ship in an American

619
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,079
ship trading volleys or something like that, and you know

620
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,480
that's going to do. What does that do? It's going

621
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,960
to send oil through the roof. It's going to have

622
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:46,039
put everybody into war fever. Also, what is our I

623
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:52,039
mean China makes our prescription drugs. Are we right now

624
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,719
setting it up so that we can manufacture if they

625
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,760
cut off prescription drugs, what happens. Chinese are not like

626
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,559
the Russians. The Russians if you declare war on them,

627
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,480
if you have a cold war, they'll still trade with you.

628
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,559
Most people don't realize during the Cold War we had

629
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we traded with Russia all the time. That's why when

630
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:18,519
Carter imposed a grain embargo on the Soviet Union, everybody

631
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:21,119
freaked out and most people and most people would be like,

632
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,800
hear that, and they're like, we gave the Soviet Union

633
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,079
grain while the Cold War was gone. Yeah, And that

634
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,920
was the first thing Reagan did when he got elected

635
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,519
was lift the grand embargo. There are still countries that

636
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:34,400
we can be in conflict with and we can still

637
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,679
keep trading. I don't know that China is one of those.

638
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,920
They're not a Christian country. Russia is a Christian country,

639
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,079
for better or for worse. Even when it was the

640
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,159
Soviet Union, you still had the Orthodox Church who had

641
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,440
some kind of that historic influence was still there, especially

642
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,679
after Stalin and most of the horrible Bolsheviks got out

643
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,159
of there and it just basically became another managerial state

644
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,639
in the fifties. You can still deal with these people

645
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,199
and they you know, but yeah, I mean that's I

646
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,039
guess that's my worry is if we're going to be

647
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,880
financially prosperous to the point where, you know, we have

648
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,679
maybe a decade and a half to sinch up what

649
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,360
we need to for what is eventually going to come

650
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to a head here, which is the fact that when

651
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,119
another Democrat gets elected, they were going to look to

652
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,360
not imprison people, I think they're going to look to

653
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:39,920
kill people. Chris Murphy has Chris Murphy the the I

654
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,320
can't remember if he's a congressman or a senator from

655
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from Connecticut.

656
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,519
Speaker 1: From Connecticut, I can't remember the Congressman Center.

657
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Speaker 2: He he's basically said, I mean he I just saw

658
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,159
Mike Shelby on his Twitter account shared a video of

659
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,000
him this morning basically talking to a college a college

660
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:06,400
auditorium and saying, essentially, now is not the time. There's

661
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coming a time.

662
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Speaker 1: Even Al Gore two weeks ago was speaking to somebody

663
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even from the perspective of climate action as well, it's

664
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it's there. They're they're really amping up the vitriol, and

665
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that's what you have to worry about because that that

666
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:24,800
destroys minds.

667
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Speaker 2: Well, January, let's remember January sixth, they were throwing people.

668
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They threw people into the hole who weren't there they threw.

669
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They were throwing grand grand grandmothers into the hole. They

670
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,960
let's remember the four people that committed suicide because they

671
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,519
were arrested and thrown into jail because they walked around

672
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the capital, you know, and let's not talk about who

673
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,719
planted the who planted the dynamite, who they saw plants

674
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,960
in the dynamite, and all that stuff that we that

675
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you know, is for another is for another show. They

676
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:03,639
did that. They arrested mothers who were basically close to

677
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:10,199
close to death for praying outside of abortion clinics, and

678
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:16,360
when the judge, when the judge sentenced her, and they said, well,

679
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,639
you know, she's sick and she doesn't have much longer

680
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:25,559
to live, the judge left. Okay, we watched this. We

681
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,760
watched we watched the President of the United States get

682
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,079
in front of to a speech in Philadelphia with a

683
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,440
red background with two soldiers who looked like stormtroopers, and

684
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,559
he basically said, forty percent of the country was semi fascist.

685
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You know what I know about this country. If you're

686
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,880
a fascist in this country, people want you dead. You're

687
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,360
not allowed to believe that. Oh, maybe Mussolini has some

688
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,960
good ideas. If you hold that belief, people want to

689
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,639
kill you. Okay, So what happens the next time a

690
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Democrat gets elected off? That's the problem with this whole administration.

691
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,800
That's the problem why I'm in the planning stage where

692
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,679
it's like, because they're not making it so that a

693
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,119
Democrat never gets elected again, because if one of these

694
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:17,039
regime people gets elected again, they are going to seek retribution.

695
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Speaker 1: They have said it openly. The problem is, Peters, is

696
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,679
the stakes are very high right now, and they're playing

697
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,679
this game like we're playing for another midterm election. That's

698
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,639
exactly what they're doing. What we're supposed to be is

699
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,079
putting the country back together. Do you get what I'm saying,

700
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,960
like putting there what is supposed to be there. So

701
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,039
instead they're looking at the midterms, and I think that

702
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,039
is why we continually lose again and again and again

703
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:48,920
and again, because we're just looking at the next election

704
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,079
in two years rather than how do we solve things?

705
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is one thing that Americans don't want to hear,

706
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,760
and people who are constitutionalists don't want to hear is

707
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,480
and you have those elections over and over again, there's

708
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,920
all your that's that's it. Everything can change, someone can,

709
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:11,239
It's you're never going to have any permanent change, which

710
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,519
is why having an emperor or having a king was preferable.

711
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I mean I make that argument, and people who know me.

712
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: That argument too, that that that the best type of

713
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,719
government has benevolent monarchy, and people get kind of upset

714
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:24,920
with me.

715
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like one person who rules. I mean,

716
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,199
if things go bad, you know who's heads to chop off.

717
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,320
I mean, you know who you know who to point

718
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480
the rifle at. There's no central people say this is

719
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,880
a centralized government. It's completely just centralized. Where would you

720
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,480
even start, Yeah, I mean try to overthrow.

721
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,559
Speaker 1: The we'll see what you have to fix. Doesn't even

722
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:48,239
get elected every two for whatever years, right, right, So

723
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,280
it's impossible. Calling for revolution in this country is impossible

724
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,960
because I mean it's like, what do you what are

725
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960
you doing? Where would you even start? But you know,

726
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,599
if you have if you have one person in charge,

727
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,119
one person who wants to leave it to their sons

728
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,800
so that it's in their best interest that you know,

729
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,559
they don't completely rape the treasury before they leave office,

730
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,360
you know, it makes more sense. But we're not. We're

731
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,559
that's not us, which is why I say we're headed

732
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,199
to a very very dark place because if you do

733
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,599
not destroy these people, you have to utterly destroy these people.

734
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,360
They can't they can never be allowed to have power again,

735
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,760
they can never be allowed to have wealth again, or

736
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,400
else they are going to come back and they're going

737
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,960
to come back with a vengeance, which no one's going

738
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:41,159
to do that. And so no one who's elected is

739
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,960
going to do that. So we need to be prepared

740
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:47,840
for the next time some lunatic gets in office. And

741
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,320
I mean, if you don't let me go back circle

742
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,559
back to the managerial state. If you don't believe there's

743
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,599
a managerial state, what was Biden's presidency? What was the

744
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:06,639
electronic the electronic pen? What was the guy wasn't right now?

745
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:08,599
Why is nothing being done about that?

746
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: Though?

747
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: Is what is what I don't understand because basically, in

748
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,320
the waning hours of a presidency, they were giving out

749
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,039
get out of jail free cards to people that they

750
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,239
you know, they tell us they hadn't committed crimes, but

751
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,920
at the same time they still needed they still felt

752
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,320
they needed get out of jail free cards. And the

753
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,639
guy that was supposedly driving the bus didn't sign him anyway.

754
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,719
So it's like like, like where are we?

755
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,119
Speaker 2: And Alexander Vinman's wife goes on Twitter and is like,

756
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,719
how come we didn't get one? I mean, like, wait

757
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,760
a minute, what if that's not a tell? It's like

758
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,079
all of these people, all of these criminals, I mean

759
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,519
the criminals who orchestrated the Ukraine War. I mean people

760
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,280
are like, oh, Putin's a dictator. I would have done

761
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,039
the same thing Putin did, except I would have done

762
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:01,360
it in twenty fifteen, and I didn't have done it piecemeal.

763
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,760
I would have went in and leveled Kiev and just

764
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,599
take and just been like, this is over. You're not

765
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:13,639
killing my people anymore. You're not killing Russians anymore. Russians

766
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,960
in your country need to be treated like guests, not

767
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:20,920
like targets. You're not going to kill them anymore. And

768
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:27,000
people are like, oh, Putin's a dictator. Putin's benevolent compared

769
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,800
to the people who started, who orchestrated that whole thing.

770
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,400
People who orchestrated that whole thing. Unfortunately, you know, only

771
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,320
the good die young, so they'll probably die old. But

772
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,159
I mean they they should be on trial and they

773
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,119
should be in jail for the rest of their lives.

774
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,440
I mean I know their names. I mean, most people

775
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,800
who are educated in this know their names. It's like,

776
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,239
these people should be in Gitmo, or they should be

777
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,280
in Seacot in El Salvador.

778
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: You and Susan Rice, you know that that whole cabal.

779
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: Individuals, Yeah, I mean these people are Here's another way.

780
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,079
You know, there's a managerial state. Victoria Nowlan worked for

781
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:17,199
George W. Bush and Barack Obama. I mean, has that happened?

782
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,840
How's that? If we're not a war state? If we're

783
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,320
not a state that is one of its main functions

784
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,840
is to declare war and Victoria. Nowland Is has been

785
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,239
there for two for a Republican president and a Democrat

786
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,239
president to help push the war and push the wars

787
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,960
and basically design it so that you have a country

788
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,760
feels like they have to invade in order to in

789
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,000
order to stop suffering. What do you How are we

790
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,719
not a how are we not a an executive state?

791
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,079
If the president if one, if a Republican president can't

792
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,280
say no to her and a Democrat president can't say

793
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,800
no to her, Well, notice what she did when she

794
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,960
knew that Donald Trump was going to get elected. She

795
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:04,599
stepped down.

796
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she stepped down, but she joined an NGO,

797
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:09,599
which also the same of course.

798
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,639
Speaker 2: And there's another thing that needs to be destroyed. NGOs.

799
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,519
I mean, I have I know people who worked for NGOs.

800
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,119
You know, I've I have personal friends who've worked for NGOs,

801
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,639
and they will tell they will tell you there's no accountability.

802
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,320
They're basically like you know NGOs, like like the National

803
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,639
Endowment for Democracy. When they were formed, they did an

804
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,360
article there was an article with their with their founder

805
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,000
in the New York times if he said, basically, we're

806
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,320
going to do the job now that the CIA does.

807
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,760
We're gonna be taking We're gonna be we're gonna be

808
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,519
taking away work from the CIA so they can concentrate

809
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,199
on other things. What was the first thing they did

810
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:51,920
seed to destroy you? The Slavia?

811
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,159
Speaker 1: Well, and then you look at it and then uh,

812
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,800
it's It's why I like to call Victoria Newlan the

813
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,480
Angel of Death. You look at every place they show up.

814
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,159
You have the Arab spring, you have the might on revolution,

815
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,039
you have all these different things start to happen wherever

816
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:08,199
the woman pops up, right, And I think that's what

817
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,320
we have to really consider, is this whole sphere of

818
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,079
like kind of the NGO world. We're basically our government

819
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:18,679
is just paying for coverall color revolutions around the planet.

820
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:21,960
And at the same time they've lost so much control

821
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,800
on it. It's come back on us right like, and

822
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,960
now we're seeing color revolutions within our own country.

823
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,599
Speaker 2: Mhmm. Yeah. I mean I think it was for as

824
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,320
a disgusting human being as he was, Michelle full Co.

825
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,760
You know, he talked about that, he called that, he

826
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,360
said the countries, and he was talking about the United states,

827
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,760
it goes looking for wars overseas. They will eventually run

828
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,280
out of wars, and then it will they will come

829
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,360
home and they will declare war on their own people.

830
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,559
That's what we see. Yes, that's what we've seen. I

831
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,960
mean is I don't know how anybody has faith in

832
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,880
democracy anymore. I mean, I think that Donald Trump, whether

833
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000
people who voted for Donald.

834
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: I think, what what what we have isn't democracy anymore?

835
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,400
If that makes sense, But continue your thought. The people

836
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,400
who voted for Donald.

837
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: Trump, sure, sure, no, we don't have democracy. It's an oligarchy.

838
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:19,000
But it's it's it's a bastardization even of a classical oligarchy.

839
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,639
I mean, there was oligarchy in Athens, so I mean,

840
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:26,039
but this is a complete bastardization. The people who voted

841
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,519
for Donald Trump. A lot of the people, whether they

842
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,960
even know it or not, and they if you tell

843
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,639
them right now that this is what they were doing,

844
00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:35,079
a lot of them will go, no, no, that's not

845
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,719
what I was doing. This is subconsciously, this is what

846
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,760
they were doing. They're voting for king. Please come in

847
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,559
and save this, please come in and clean this up.

848
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,679
And then as soon as he decided, well, I mean,

849
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,880
what's the biggest thing we have to do. We have

850
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,880
to become a manufacturer again. We have to we basically

851
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,000
have to control trade. Trade in this country has been

852
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:03,880
used to benefit a very small minority and then foreign interests.

853
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,880
So we're going to put tariffs center. And then the

854
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,000
people how many people voted for Trump, were like, look

855
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,159
at my ira and everything. I have investments too. They

856
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,280
went down. I wasn't crying. It's going to take you.

857
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,800
If anything is going to be fixed, it's going to

858
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,000
be there's going to be pain. And anyone who anyone

859
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,239
knows that, anybody who's ever really been out of shape

860
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,400
and needed to get back in shape, knows how painful

861
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,679
it is to do that, you know, So they start

862
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,199
crying as soon as it affects them. That's the problem.

863
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,440
That's one of the main problems here is they people

864
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,280
here have been conditioned to think, if I just vote

865
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,639
for the right person, I don't have to do anything.

866
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,440
They do everything, and it's not and it better not

867
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,639
affect me, you know. I Mean I was at the

868
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,920
point where I was like, I don't care what it says,

869
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,280
I don't care what the market does. I don't care

870
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,400
if the if the market goes down fifty percent, I

871
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,559
don't care. If oil goes up to one hundred and fifty,

872
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,599
I don't care if gas is seven eight nine dollars

873
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:03,920
a gallon. Just fix this. But people just aren't. They're

874
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,679
not like I guess they're not at the point that

875
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,000
I am, and I'm at the point where I'm not

876
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,000
looking at this and being like, oh, I'm not looking

877
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:16,039
at this as a house that's falling down and being like, well,

878
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,679
that beam up there is infested with termites, and the

879
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,920
studs behind this wall, or you know, we have a

880
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,800
lot of problem. No, the foundation is broken. The foundation

881
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:30,559
is completely cracked. It's falling apart, it's sliding. There's no

882
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,159
foundation anymore. And until you figure out what the foundation

883
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,480
is or seek to, you know, rebuild that foundation, or

884
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:44,719
demand that that foundation be rebuilt, or more importantly, rebuild

885
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,360
your own foundation, because that's where it starts, nothing's going

886
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,639
to be fixed. And even if it can be fixed,

887
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,320
that's the point people think that it's just people think

888
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,159
that this is oh, you know, it's like any to

889
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,400
a company before that was having some problems. We just

890
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,400
have to do tweak here, tweak there. Things will get

891
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,719
back to normal. I'm sorry, what what movie are you watching?

892
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,480
We're watching two different movies, and I mean the the

893
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:19,480
plot I'm seeing, Oh that this plot is It's The

894
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,159
Roads a hell, it's the It's the It's the Exorcist.

895
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,000
But the demon never gets excessed.

896
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to have another conversation about

897
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,719
this too, because I think that there's there's so many

898
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,199
other directions we could go in this and including I

899
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,519
think we do have to do a Spanish Civil War episode,

900
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:42,320
so we'll definitely schedule that after this conversation. But I

901
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,039
guess some some parting thoughts before we kind of wind

902
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:46,480
down here and tell people where they can find you.

903
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Peak and Yona show them on all podcatchers.

904
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:54,719
I throw some episodes on YouTube. I mostly do like

905
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:00,639
little clips on YouTube pointing to the podcast on you Apple, Spotify,

906
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,840
all the podcasters everything. I have Pete, substack dot com.

907
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:07,719
That's where people can support me. I have Patreon, I

908
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,880
have many ways that you can financially support. But I

909
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,599
also a member of the Old Glory Club. Back in

910
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,920
twenty twenty two, a bunch of us got together foresaw

911
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,599
what was happening things we were talking about here and

912
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,599
just decided we needed a fraternity. We needed for a

913
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:29,800
nationwide fraternity, people getting together locally and coming together of

914
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,280
the same values to plan, think about local politics, think

915
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,599
about a lot of different things that are coming. And

916
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:42,800
we just in three years we have We've almost twenty

917
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,519
chapters now all over the country, three hundred and fifty

918
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,639
official official members. I mean, this is something where we're registered,

919
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,920
you know, five o' one c ten, So we make it.

920
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,199
If you want to be a part of it, you

921
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,840
have to go and do that yourself. We help you

922
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,480
with it, but you have to go and do that yourself.

923
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,079
And we're having our first event. We're having our second

924
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:06,559
event official event in a couple of weeks. Sold out

925
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:11,519
in less than twelve hours. So yeah, we're doing amazing

926
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:16,000
things there. We do a live stream every every Thursday

927
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,880
night at eight Eastern on YouTube on the Old Worry

928
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,599
Club channel. Come and check it out. I'm usually there.

929
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,440
I usually am able to hit three at least three

930
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,760
a month. Usually usually I'm there, and you know, we

931
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,880
talk about the highlights of the week, and we talk

932
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,280
about stories that are in the news, and we try

933
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,760
to you know, instill put in as many Founding principles

934
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,719
as many foundational principles as we can. While we do that,

935
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,400
we do three substack, we really three sub stacks a week.

936
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,039
But one of our founding members just wrote a book

937
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,519
basically and put it. We put it on our substack,

938
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:59,239
and you know, on the Whiskey Rebellion, Little West Pennsylvania

939
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,719
history as far a lot of my family actually is.

940
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,320
And yeah, so doing a lot of things. I release

941
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,639
episodes pretty much every day. And I'm actually going through

942
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:13,760
an Alexander Socialistan book now with a Russian with a

943
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,039
Russian scholar two hundred years together, which is about the

944
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,440
from seventeen ninety five to nineteen ninety five, the history

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of Jewish Russian relations in the in the Russian Empire,

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in the Soviet Union. And we're on episode thirty one.

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Now it may that may go one hundred. It's probably

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going to go one hundred and twenty five, two hundred

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and thirty episodes that I see because we're reading every

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word of it and he's providing Doctor Matthew Rafael Johnson

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is providing historical analysis on exactly what was happening at

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that time. So yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot just start

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a continental philosophy. Just started a Continental philosophy series with

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my friend Thomas, and it's only three.

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Speaker 1: That are that are university. That might be the next step.

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I don't know, yeah, oh no, that's believe me. You know,

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if the if the id W types can have their

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university in Austin, US revisionists and you know, right wingers

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can have our own, it's just a matter of time.

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Thank you, Jeremy, thank you for having me on. Absolutely well,

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like I said, we'll definitely do something on Spanish civil

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war coming up. But for those out they're watching, reminder

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to like this video, leave us a comment, smash the

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subscribe button, support liberty, freedom and want to build a

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better future. I will catch you guys next time.