WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.359 And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on five 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.320 to seventy LA Sports the return of the Dubber this hour. 3 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.679 It's been a long time. We'll explain who the Dubber 4 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:12.480 is and why he will be here. Is coming up? 5 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.359 Yeah, please explain. Oh I mean I can't wait. I'm 6 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:17.600 waiting with baited breath. 7 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:18.480 For the Dubber. 8 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.679 Yes, all right, So the Dubber will join us later 9 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.719 this hour. But now let's bring on the host of 10 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.280 the Clipper pregame postgame halftime show, The Saulty A Adam Ouslin. 11 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.800 Hello, Adam, what's good guys. Good to see you guys, 12 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.640 rough couple of days. What good to be with you? 13 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:38.759 Double A double A All right, man, I'm good for here. 14 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:39.399 I'm here. 15 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:42.640 Clippers are four and four. You know they're hanging in there, 16 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.719 tread water. Lakers now four and four after getting off 17 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:47.640 to a hot start four and four. 18 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.679 But are we h is that a good for and four? 19 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.600 Mediocre for and four or scary for and four? What 20 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:55.320 kind of four and four are we talking about? For 21 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:55.880 both teams? 22 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:56.200 Adam? 23 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.039 I think what the Lakers is disappointing because they started 24 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.200 off three to zero and now injuries are creeping up. 25 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.640 Some of the same bad habits from last years are 26 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:07.920 showing themselves. I mean the loss to Phoenix where you're 27 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.840 up eighteen, and then the loss on the road to Detroit. 28 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.079 Those are bad losses and that's where they've always struggled 29 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:15.799 on the road the last couple of seasons, and they're 30 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.040 right back to those bad habits, and JJ Reddick drop 31 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.280 on the mic because he's upset. I think with Reddick 32 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.400 right now, he's getting the taste of it's not just 33 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.760 about scheme, it's not just about strategy. It is about 34 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.120 keeping guys motivated with effort each and every night, where 35 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.560 I think he's a little bit surprised by that because 36 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.840 he feels like that should be the base line. They 37 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:39.439 have to play hard, and so he takes a shot. 38 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.920 The rest of the guy's saying, Lebron's almost forty and 39 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:44.040 he's playing hard out there, what's wrong with the rest 40 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.400 of you? And then you see DeAngelo Russell not play 41 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.920 the last eighteen minutes. We'll see how he responds to 42 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.760 that tonight against the Philadelphia seventy six ers. So these 43 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:53.319 are kind of the growing pains. I think it was 44 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.680 a young coach in the NBA just finding out these 45 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.280 guys don't always play hard every night. 46 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.280 You gotta motive at adam, you know, more so in 47 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:04.040 the I think in the NBA than any other professional 48 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:07.680 sports league. And I've heard this from you know, some 49 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:12.400 current guys and some some retired guys have been try 50 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.400 retired for a while, and some retired guys that have 51 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:21.360 just retired that the NBA is in a I don't 52 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.199 know what you call it, but but they're in a situation. 53 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:26.039 Right now where. 54 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:32.439 Guys that just don't don't care enough, Guys don't don't 55 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:37.319 necessarily work as hard. There's so much money involved in 56 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.759 the NBA right now with guys and it's a shorter 57 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:44.360 rosters and all the other sports that they've got their 58 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:49.599 money and the work ethic and everything attached to that 59 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.159 is not as important as some of the other things 60 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:56.759 that they've got going outside of basketball and I and 61 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.159 it feels like that is. 62 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.240 Starting become more and more of a problem. 63 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:06.400 If you don't have the right environment as a franchise 64 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.879 and as an organization, it's it's not going to help you, 65 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.680 and it's gonna nip you in the button and it's 66 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:14.960 gonna be you know, a situation where it gets worse. 67 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:18.639 But from a player standpoint, it is like the players 68 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:23.639 are hated, are running everything as opposed to the coach. 69 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.080 And JJ Reddick, I think is feeling that because it's 70 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:27.360 a different time from when. 71 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.680 He played player em Era. 72 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:31.560 Yes, right, let me say this. Let me say this. 73 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:33.840 So d Angela Russell makes like eighteen million I think 74 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:38.159 this year, right, Yeah, Okay, And d' angela Russell is 75 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.520 exactly d'angela Russell exactly. And really, if you break it 76 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.000 down from when he first came here, he's a little 77 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.080 better than he was then because then his attitude was 78 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.680 just awful and he had this incredible sense of entitlement 79 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.319 all the talent in the world, moments of incredible brilliance, 80 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:59.159 but then not so much so now he sits again 81 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.360 doing the exact same thing. Let's not make excuses for 82 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.680 him anymore. Let's not, there are none. This is who 83 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.919 he is. Maybe he's up, maybe he's down, maybe he's good, 84 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.879 maybe he's not. That guy's making eighteen million dollars a year, 85 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.319 all right, When you're making that kind of money, they 86 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.759 either be good bad, have an attitude, don't have an 87 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.920 adorantee guarantee guaranteed. When you've got that money, what do 88 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.560 you care? Ultimately, you only care when people get on you, 89 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.079 and if they get on you enough, then maybe you 90 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.839 play the way you can. You exert that effort. I 91 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.639 think it's an incredible sense of entitlement. And when you 92 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.519 are paying twenty four to twenty five year olds who 93 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.680 really have not had to do much but play basketball, 94 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.120 all of a sudden they make eighty million dollars, they 95 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.360 haven't gone through it. They're not Michael Jordan, they're not 96 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.920 Kobe Bryant, they're not Lebron James. They're not guys that 97 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.959 have sacrificed and busted their rafts and worked every day. Yeah, 98 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.920 and given an enormous paycheck early. 99 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.800 I wouldn't say just because they aren't as good as 100 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.600 those guys doesn't mean they haven't maximized their abilities and 101 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.680 put in the work. These guys are grinders. I mean, 102 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.600 if you look at a lot of the data and 103 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.639 some of them, If you look at a lot of 104 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.079 the data and what the doctors are saying why there's 105 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.439 so many guys injured nowadays, it's because they go into 106 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.519 specialized sports at such a young age, trying to get 107 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:19.959 that lottery ticket, trying to get to the league and 108 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.279 trying to make millions, and they do grind and playing 109 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.199 every day in the AAU ball stuff. People talk about 110 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.000 the friendship part of it, but they're playing year round. Guys. 111 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.519 Back in the day, we're not playing year round. Michael 112 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.079 Jordan's agent said he didn't pick up a basketball till September. 113 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.240 He'd go off in the offseason and just play golf. 114 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.199 It is different, The level of competition is different. To 115 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.399 get to the league. Now you can say, are they 116 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:45.480 resting on their laurels? 117 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:45.759 Now? 118 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.040 I don't know. D'Angelo Russell is just like this. He's 119 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.680 an offensive guy. What he does isn't defense. We've known 120 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.319 this his entire career. And JJ Reddick's trying to set 121 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.680 a tone. Now you give up that wide open three 122 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.839 early in the third quarter, and I'm gonna bench you 123 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:02.279 the rest of the game. Because we talked about this 124 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:03.319 over and over again. 125 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:04.759 You shouldn't be on the roster. And Adam, let me 126 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:06.920 ask you this, what is the bottom line here? These 127 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.279 guys play AAU ball and they work their whole life. 128 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:11.560 They want to get to the league. They want to 129 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.480 get to the league. By the way, when they get 130 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.680 to the league, none of them are any good. 131 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:16.439 It's almost like. 132 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.439 You know, half the guys get to the league and 133 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.600 it's like, Okay, I got my contract. 134 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:21.199 That's it, Rodney. 135 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.560 See my point is this, they want to get paid. 136 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.800 They're not gonna be what they are. They're not what 137 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.240 they're gonna be. Yeah, can they play, sure, but they're 138 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.600 not gonna have an enormous impact unless you're when Baiana 139 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:33.480 or a great rookie of the year, and those are 140 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:34.959 few and far between. 141 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.800 I think this is a bit of an over simplification. 142 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:38.879 I don't think so at all. 143 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:40.560 These guys work their asses off. 144 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.600 Go talk to the guys in the paid to get paid. 145 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.240 And how many of them show greatness in the playoffs. Still, 146 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.399 that's not just about getting paid. That's about performing under 147 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.680 the bright lights. Come on, now, you think Anthony Edwards 148 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.600 is resting on his laurels because he got paid, We're 149 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.639 not saying that. There's plenty of guys. Look at a 150 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.600 guy on his team like Jade McDaniels, do you know 151 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.480 who that is? He got paid, he still plays his 152 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.000 ass off and there's plenty of guys like that. 153 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:12.600 Point to Rodney's point and I think it's valid. To 154 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:17.240 Rodney's point, it seems a certain way, it seems that's 155 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:21.560 the feeling. It's not every single person. But I think 156 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:26.439 from the totality and the thirty thousand foot view, Rodney, 157 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.480 I actually think you're right. Yeah, I think I think 158 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.680 it's I mean, I've heard it that that you know, 159 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.959 from a from a practice standpoint, from a given effort 160 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:43.040 standpoint to caring standpoint, it's it's not the same. It's 161 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:43.720 not the same. 162 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.000 Where you have twelve guys on the on the on 163 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.600 the bench on a given night that is all about 164 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.680 one particular thing, and that is winning and working as 165 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.240 working their ass off to get it done. You've got 166 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.160 guys that will do it. Don't get me wrong. When 167 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.480 you point out certain individuals, you know, Adam, I think 168 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.759 you're right. I mean, there's Anthony Edwards of the world 169 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.279 that wants to be you know, it's aspiration. It's a 170 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.319 beyond money. It is I want to be the best ever. 171 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.360 I want to be Michael Jordan, I want to be 172 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.000 better than that. But I think for to a large extent, 173 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.199 there are there are too many guys I would say 174 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:23.079 it like this, too many guys that feel like I 175 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.839 got my money, I'm entitled, and I'm gonna I'm gonna 176 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.439 go out there and do what I can and I 177 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:35.200 am not going to be, lack of a better phrase, 178 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:40.159 one hundred percent committed to doing the little things that 179 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.360 is going to make us win and make us better 180 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:43.720 and sacrifice for the team. 181 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:47.240 You want to know what, I honestly think older generations 182 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.120 say this about younger generations and as cyclical, and we 183 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.000 always get this stuff. Charles Barkley, I remember, I got 184 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.279 a long memory said they don't pay me to play defense. 185 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:57.919 I've been hearing this same stuff, and if you go 186 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.960 and watch tape, you're gonna see they're a good team 187 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.879 back then, and good teams and guys who gave effort 188 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.600 who were superstars, and guys who were superstars and didn't 189 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.320 give effort. This stuff has been going on forever, and 190 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.679 I don't think there's anything new under the sun. I 191 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.679 honestly don't. I see defensive schemes that are more complicated 192 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.720 now than they ever have been, because you have to 193 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.519 guard way more space because guys can shoot thirty footers 194 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:19.960 with ease. 195 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:20.240 Now. 196 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.600 I don't think it's as simple as guys don't care anymore. 197 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.960 I think there are some guys that don't care, just 198 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:27.799 like there were guys back in the day that didn't 199 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.039 care when they got paid. And there's nothing new. 200 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:30.480 All right. 201 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.600 Do you think because you've watched basketball for a long time, 202 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:39.759 you think the games were better to watch six years 203 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.080 ago or they're better to watch today. 204 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.360 I think the aesthetics of the game, its beauty is 205 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.639 in the eye of the beholder. It is up to 206 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.679 each subject. It is subjective. For me, I like a 207 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.480 little bit more variety in my game. I can understand 208 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.679 where people are saying that there's too much three point 209 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.559 shooting out there, but I know why they're doing it. 210 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.559 It's smart. Guess who just won the championship the team 211 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.840 that attempted the most threes in the league, and we 212 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.039 see it all the time now, the Boston Celtics, now 213 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.039 they were still an elite defense, just like Golden State 214 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.080 was when they were winning. People don't realize how good 215 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:16.799 they were on the defensive end. It wasn't just hot 216 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:17.840 shooting a three point shooting. 217 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.840 What is defense? Out of what is defense? What is defense? 218 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:25.279 That is effort, that is commitment, that is doing that, 219 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:30.080 that is being unselfish, right, but and so you know, 220 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:35.840 to that point, it doesn't feel like the modern NBA, 221 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.399 at least from a majority standpoint, is committed to that 222 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.320 as opposed to get mine and I'm gonna get mine, 223 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.480 but I'm not gonna be committed to the team philosophy 224 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.519 of let's just let's win any way we can. 225 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.840 So there weren't any male contents back in the day. 226 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.120 No, no, no, no no. 227 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.639 I'm not gonna do it absolute and say there were none, 228 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:57.879 because there certainly was. 229 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:00.399 You think there's a higher authority. 230 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.399 Because of the because of the salaries, and because of 231 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:08.519 the committed money, and that everything is guaranteed that it's 232 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.840 not a requirement. Pat Riley could bench somebody and shut 233 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:17.039 down their career if they didn't give effort. I mean, 234 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.399 the pat Riley coaching wise, of the of that age, 235 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.039 you know, Papa Bitch may be the only one left 236 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.840 that can kind of do that. Maybe maybe Steve Kerr 237 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.639 a little bit, But there's not many of those coaches 238 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:33.080 that have that power to be able to discipline their 239 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.919 guys in a way that you don't play defense, you 240 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:36.679 don't play. 241 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:37.200 I don't know. 242 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:44.159 I saw many Williams not playing I saw him now 243 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.759 he's getting paid because he went to Detroit and got 244 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.440 eighty million dollars then got fired after a season because 245 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.519 I don't know he stopped caring. So I guess it 246 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:52.320 goes both ways. 247 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.360 He stopped caring or you think he didn't get the 248 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:55.039 guys to care. 249 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.120 I think there was some very interesting decisions that he 250 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:00.879 made there, and a lot of people feel like he 251 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.200 checked out after he got his eighty million dollars and 252 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.679 got all that money from Detroit. But I'm going to 253 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:06.360 say check out. 254 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.399 I want to hear this. 255 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.200 His rotations were not out there to optimize lineups. It 256 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.519 seemed like at times he wasn't playing the best guys 257 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.600 to win games. That's part of the story with that, 258 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.519 asked Rob Parker, Detroit. Guy, if you want more on 259 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.559 the situation with Monty Williams, I guess, But I'm just 260 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.840 saying this stuff happens. I mean, I can give examples, 261 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.360 just as I just did with DeAndre Aiden getting benched 262 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.120 because he didn't have the right attitude and now he's 263 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.080 up in Portland like it still happens. You don't have 264 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.120 to be pat Riley to do this. We're talking about 265 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.519 JJ Reddick doing it in his eighth game as a 266 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:42.720 head coach to D'Angelo Russell, it still happens. It may 267 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.200 like if you want to say there's more malcontents at 268 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.559 a higher percentage now, maybe I don't know if it's provable, 269 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.879 but I would say for the most part, things are 270 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.399 the same as they ever were were. There were guaranteed 271 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.600 contracts in the nineties and eighties too. I mean, what 272 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.000 are we talking about. Guaranteed contracts have been around forever. 273 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:04.279 Yeah, yeah they have. 274 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:10.960 But but but guaranteed contract to the tone of life changing, 275 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.000 generational type of contracts, we're not there with. 276 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:20.360 How much is that? 277 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.960 But the Jordan, the Jordan era, the Jordan era there 278 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.120 was that was completely different than what we're looking at 279 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.960 right now, Adam. And you gotta know what you can't 280 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.639 and in a lot of ways, First of all, it 281 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.840 was it was more of a a team aspect than 282 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.200 if you look at if you look at Steve Kerr 283 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.120 and the way he coaches now and and talking about 284 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.120 his players now as opposed to where the Bulls were 285 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.960 in the nineties and the way Phil Jackson handled certain things. Yes, 286 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.159 he let Dennis Rodman go to Vegas, and he let 287 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.480 Dennis Robin do his thing. But at the end of 288 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:00.600 the day, it was it was completely completely about the team. 289 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:05.240 And now it feels like there's so much katieing to 290 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.879 these guys, and the coaches have less power than they 291 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:13.720 did in the nineties or the eighties because these guys 292 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.879 are making so much money and they can dictate whether 293 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.480 I leave or play or not. 294 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.480 Or when I show up or whatever. 295 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.200 You know, whatever I do, it doesn't matter because they 296 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:24.080 can't get rid of me. 297 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.360 Hey, I don't know. I saw Scottie Pippen not check 298 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.360 into a game at the end of the nineties because 299 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.759 he didn't like the guy that he wasn't. 300 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.320 I'm talking about it in general, I mean, but I'm. 301 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.600 Just saying I can bring up specific example. If that 302 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.879 happened in today's game, where a star player didn't check 303 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.480 in because he wasn't getting the ball for the final shot, 304 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.919 let me know the last time that happened, it was 305 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:44.759 Scottie Pippen. 306 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.639 It goes to practice at him, It goes to practicing, 307 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.360 It goes to the commitment and the offseason. It goes 308 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.480 to a lot of different things that is different than 309 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.720 was you know, back in the nineties and eighties and 310 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.080 I'm trying to be an Odhead and Gold and the. 311 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.759 Way we used to do it back in today is different. 312 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.519 I'm hearing this from current guys. I'm hearing this from 313 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.360 current guys that have just left the league, that that 314 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.519 that certain guys the commitment to the team and to 315 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.840 winning is not what it once was. 316 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.600 I just feel like everybody wanted to celebrate the era 317 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.240 when they were in their prime. Everybody has a little 318 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.480 bit of that Golden Age syndrome to them. I have 319 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:27.240 it too, So I don't know. I think there is 320 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.120 something to player empowerment, Rodney. I think there is something. 321 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:34.759 Don't get me wrong, because it's new information. We've all 322 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:38.120 been saying forever. It's a players league, and those who 323 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.639 have the superstars have the power. So every franchise, of course, 324 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.919 is going to cater to those guys because it's because 325 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.200 it's so important to winning. And we've learned that over time. 326 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.919 So we have new information now we didn't have back then. 327 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.200 If they had the same information now that they had 328 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.720 back then, we probably see the same stuff going on. 329 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.600 So I don't know. I don't take that is the 330 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.559 league has completely changed. There are still guys out there sacrificing. 331 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.639 There are still guys out there playing basketball the right way, 332 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.399 and I think you see the same good teams every 333 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.799 year that are doing it, and the bad teams aren't 334 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:13.840 just like back in the day. 335 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.240 All right, well, Adam, thank you for sharing today. That 336 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:18.480 was that was quite insightful. 337 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.559 Wait wait, wait, guys, those clouds up against you that 338 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.039 you're yelling up above you? Are you yelling at? I 339 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:29.039 don't know. It may start rating soon, you. 340 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.039 Know, Adam, Normally I think you're right. Today I think 341 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:31.440 you're wrong. 342 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.039 Well you've You've made a hell of a case, Fred 343 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.159 just saying I'm wrong and not actually backing it up. 344 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:39.080 But okay, Adam, where did Clippers go from here? Adam? 345 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:40.600 Where did the Clippers go from here? 346 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:41.039 Yeah? 347 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.519 Well they're going to Sacramento tonight. And look, I heard 348 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.559 you guys yesterday. I thought you made some great points. 349 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.200 They still don't have Kawhi Leonard. They're still struggling, but 350 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.600 Foreign four is about where they should be right, Bourn 351 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.960 four is about where they should be without Kawhi Leonard. 352 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.039 I said the first ten games. If they're fine five 353 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.200 and five and they're treading, we're okay. They can move forward. 354 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.559 From that, they're a very good defensive team. They struggle 355 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:07.839 at times on offense. But you see that game against 356 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.400 Paul George and the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Oh yeah, 357 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.000 and Norman Palace going off and he gets twenty five points, 358 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.839 you know, and he's averaging twenty five on shooting fifty 359 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.640 three percent from the floor right now, And it's just like, well, 360 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.200 if they can get enough from their guys offensively, with 361 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.799 their defense and the way they've leaned into that defensive identity, 362 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.559 they're in games. It's funny. Their defense keeps them in 363 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:33.119 every game. Their offense keeps the opposition in every game 364 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.440 because they're just not that good on that ends. They 365 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.680 don't have enough high end talent offensively. But I think 366 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.279 they do have a direction. You know, Kevin referenced that 367 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.480 article from Sam Amck and where this franchise could be 368 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:52.039 moving forward. It's about flexibility. It's about being competitive and 369 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:54.759 then having that flexibility with the cap situation and staying 370 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:59.799 opportunistic for any time. I don't know, disgruntled Superstar, one 371 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:01.960 of these young players we've been talking about that doesn't 372 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.480 like the situation they're in, tries to flex and use 373 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.440 that player empowerment, and the Clippers can jump on an 374 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.279 opportunity like that. So I think they're actually in a 375 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.480 really good spot where over the next couple of years 376 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.119 they're gonna have a lot of money to play with 377 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:17.160 because they didn't double down with Paul George and go 378 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:18.240 all in with him freed. 379 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:19.680 But so at the end of the day, to let 380 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.319 you go at him, the Paul George move, not to 381 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.559 sign him for what they what he wanted, actually will 382 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:26.920 ultimately be a good deal. 383 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.799 I think I'd rather have a guy like Norman Powell 384 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.599 making twenty million over the next two seasons and if 385 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.440 he can put up over twenty points per game, and 386 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.119 I think he's capable of that, then having Paul George 387 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:41.319 making over fifty million for the next four seasons and 388 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.440 having them over the second apron where you're all in 389 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.799 to a point where you can't make moves on the 390 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.079 margins at all, and you better win a championship. And 391 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.240 we still don't know where Kawhi's health is at, and 392 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.720 that's so disappointing because they can't. If you resigned Paul 393 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.960 George and Kawhi is still hurt, you're still not a content, 394 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.119 right right, So you can resign Paul George all you want, 395 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.759 it's still dependent on the health of Kawhi Leonard. And 396 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.319 if he is going to be available, he's the hammer. 397 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.640 He's the guy you needing a playoff series. So just 398 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.759 having Paul George and James Harden obviously wasn't enough. They 399 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.079 got beat by Dallas in that first round. So it 400 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.880 really comes down to the health of Kawhi Leonard and 401 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.319