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Speaker 1: Welcome another episode of our Interesting Times. Is my pleasure

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to have Jay Dyer back on the show. Of course,

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Jay is the proprietor of the recently resurrected Jays Analysis

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Jays Analysis dot com. Right, so you kept that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything the same, It's just it's a lot better now.

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Speaker 1: So okay, that's back up, and yes, i've it is good.

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I'm accessing the site taking in some of the information there.

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And of course you are the author of Esoteric Hollywood

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Sex Calls and Symbols in Film and also they're soon

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to be released as Esoteric Hollywood too.

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Speaker 3: Right, correct, early mid December early, don't have a don't

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have an exact date yet, but as soon as I

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get a date, everybody will know.

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Speaker 1: So this is just in time for Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: That was the same thing a couple of years ago,

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wasn't it? Wasn't it around Christmas time the book came out?

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Or am I mistaken it was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, it was right before twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Now, if they order directly from your website, are you

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still doing the signing thing?

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Speaker 2: Can little bit? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? Good look out for that then. Okay, so

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we will look look very much. Look forward to that

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in the coming month. I know I'll get my copy

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at least of course, at jaysnowsis dot com you can subscribe.

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It's four ninety five a month, sixty dollars a.

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Speaker 2: Year, it is. Yeah, and the I think the renovated site.

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Speaker 3: Has has helped the subscribers. So that's increased things that

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are looking on the up and yeah, we've got, you know,

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pretty substantial archive. The only thing that still isn't fixed

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on the site is a lot of the old essays

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that I wrote, which there was a lot of those.

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Some of those are still broken links and kind of missing.

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So I still have a lot of old stuff to fix,

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which I do plan to do. But it's basically all

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Speaker 1: So okay, that's good. Pretty much up and running. I

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guess you irritated somebody or something and yeh, yeah the AI,

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I don't know the AI censor. I don't know who's

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doing this.

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Speaker 3: Well, there were certain topics, yeah, that pressure was put

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on WordPress to no longer be champions of free speech

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like all across the board line

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of these and yeah, don't.

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Speaker 3: I won't go too deep into it. But basically it

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was an event that a recent event, a big event,

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you know, one of those kinds.

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Speaker 1: Of oh yeah, even yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Allowed, You're not no longer allowed to post on that.

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Speaker 1: It's strange. It is strange because I had a couple

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videos on those events where it was either talked about

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or you know, just yes, and there are two three

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years old and they were pulled. So there. I mean,

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that is strange just just because that topic. I just

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you know, it begs the question, it really, right. So anyway,

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well tonight, you you recently did a couple of videos

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reviewing some books that you have read, and well recently

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you did a video called cold War Propaganda and CIA's

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doc kind of warfare program using churches, and you brought

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it in this discussion. An article you sent me a

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while back, and I looked at it briefly this afternoon

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about some of the intrigues and manipulating divisions within the

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Orthodox Church, particularly with Greece and the Ukraine, and this

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is sort of perhaps geopolitical maneuvering against Russia. And then

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of this other material that you've been reading, particularly David

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Wimhof's book The Catholic Church, and well, I'll let you

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take it from there about the sort of manipulation this

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divide and conquered within Religion's also manipulation within the churches,

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the doctrinal corruption of these churches through the intelligence agency, agencies, magazines, media,

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these things of the West. So go ahead, So what

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death of John Paul the First and the Cold War,

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that we usually hear and even Western conspiracy or into books.

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world of Orthodoxy, and you know, this is a very

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Speaker 3: And so one of the problems that this created was

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the idea that, oh, well, since the Bolsheviks are bad,

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that must then mean that you know, the CIA and

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m I six and these people that are inviting.

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Speaker 3: And so there's a similar story than between what happened

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the Catholic Church in the twentieth century through the means

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and methods of what Wimhoff describes and what we're seeing

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in Orthodoxy as well. So certainly we agree that the

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Cold War was was was on one level bad news,

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religious institutions were good, and there are plenty of martyrs,

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plenty of people that were that were put to death

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Speaker 2: So we're not I'm not at all trying to vindicate that.

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Speaker 3: But what we were sold was this story which which again,

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the justifications of NATO really ran their course, and they didn't.

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operation against Russia, and even after the Cold War, even

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after when it's it supposedly ran its course, it's still

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people who you know, don't have the same views as me,

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the same conclusions that wait a minute, what we were

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now to a situation where if you're not promoting Globo

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tranny everywhere, right, you're an enemy of freedom. And so

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of politics background twenty twelve thirteen fourteen, I was watching

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Color Revolutions and I was, you know, pretty pretty heavily

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Ukraine really lined up with what we see with the

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you know, what do we get with these color revolutions.

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disgusting new generacy into all these countries that ironically had

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because they had they had opposed a lot of Western

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so called freedoms. So there's just this really weird turn

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about the homosexuality being such a key issue in so

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Speaker 2: And we know that, you know, you and I know,

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we know that this comes out of like.

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Speaker 3: The Cold War, the culture of Congress, of the cultural freedom,

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the idea of promoting the freedom and the arts and

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all this nonsense, and that somehow that's connected with you know,

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freedom and gender expression, freedom and sexual expression, supposedly. And

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the reason I say all that is to say that

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so when we look at the means of subversion of

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the twentieth century through the big Oligarchic families, one need

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to look no further than the authorized biography of the

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the rock Fillers authorized papers and history, and he's talking

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not because they really cared about religion, but to use

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all these institutions that promote you know, globalism, so called

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start noticing these patterns and then you realize that now

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the subversion of American Protestantism. And I knew this because

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even before I had any kind of exposure.

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Speaker 2: Or knowledge of geopolitics.

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lot of money into certain seminaries like Union Seminary, certain

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schools like Chicago University, and that was because they had

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and he pointed out some of this stuff in his famous,

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somewhat famous Protestant book on liberalism, saying, look, it's these

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promoted it in all of these seminaries, and it spread

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to Catholicism in the same way it spread to all

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the other churches. So the crux here is that there's

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a pattern, and the pattern is the same for all

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the churches, respective of what denomination you come from. And

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that's why Wimpoff's book is so good is that this

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is the hard, straight up documentation from how this was

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done in the Catholic Church, and we're seeing the exact

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same thing being done.

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Speaker 2: In the Orthodox Church basically.

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Speaker 3: So that's the crux of the whole point is that

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what you saw on the in the Ukraine. To tie

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this to the reason I brought up to in the

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Ukraine is that in twenty fourteen when they annexed it,

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you know, from Russia, and they basically set up the

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CIA puppet there. It was geopolitics, it was money, it

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was all that kind of stuff out of you know,

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Cold War strategy or excuse me, World War two strategies,

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because that was actually hitler strategy in the Ukraine was

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to essentially set up its own little nation state there,

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and that's why they've had the sort of neo fascist

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bent there. But it was also religious. So in order

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to wrest it from Russian influence. It's not just a

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matter of politics. It's also a matter of religion, church

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and state. So I was naive, you know, back in

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twenty thirteen or fourteen, when I was just looking at

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the geopolitical aspect of it, and I didn't think about

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the fact that, well, they're going to do the exact

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same thing in terms of the religious realm.

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Speaker 2: They're going to want to.

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Speaker 3: Remove the canonical Church that's under the Moscow patriarchy. They're

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going to want to also wrest that from the control

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of Moscow as well, because a sizeable Orthodox population there

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obviously has to also be removed from not just political

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but also religious influence from Moscow.

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Speaker 2: That's the main point I'm trying to make here.

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Speaker 3: So the way that relates to the US is basically

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that the Moscow Patriarchate essentially severed communion with Patriarch Bartholemew,

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who is the patriarch of Constantinople. He but Bartholemew has

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been bad news for a long time. Actually, a sizable

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portion of the church, the Orthodox world, has been very

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leery of him. Many believe that he is in fact

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a heretic, and that has only been made more and

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more evident, especially in the last few months given the

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situation in Ukraine, with Bartholomew essentially saying that the puppet

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patriarch in the Ukraine named Filorette, who was basically installed

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as a puppet, who is known as a puppet, he's

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not canonical, nobody's ever thought he was canonical.

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Speaker 2: And suddenly Bartholomew essentially says, oh, he's the one there,

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he's the good guy. We're going to go with that.

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Speaker 3: This made it evident to the entire world of Orthodoxy

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that Bartholomew was a stooge of NATO and the CIA.

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And so now we know why Joe Biden was meeting

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with Bartholomew, and and now we know why both Brotholomew

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a couple of years ago was giving Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Awards involved lucrative gas.

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Speaker 3: And the gas do exactly now we know what and

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uh so it was all that, and it was all

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planning what just happened. So basically there's now uh a

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giant rift is widening in the midst of the professing

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or the orthodox world, to the degree now that even

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Russian Orthodox Christians are those under the influence of the

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Moscow patriarch, and essentially all the other Orthodox patriarchs agreed.

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I don't think anybody has cited in any of the

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major churches have sided with Bartholomew. The only people who've

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decided who have sided with Bartholomew are the Greeks in America,

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who are also directly under influence. So yeah, so that's

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essentially what's going on. If you kind of know the basics,

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it's not hard to figure it out. It's all pretty clear.

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That's why John McCain was flying over there and meeting

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with the puppet patriarch Filourette, who by the way, was

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a Soviet defector. His name is Disinc Dasinco I think

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is his name, and he defected to the West, and

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magically he's he's the essentially the CI puppet there in

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the Ukraine. So that's that's what's going on in simple terms.

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And I actually talked about some of this stuff. I

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was I wasn't fully aware of all the all the

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geopolitical stuff, but I knew that some of these guys

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are bad news. And I think really the last few

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months has has been indicated, has vindicated my analysis of

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the whole scenario.

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Speaker 2: So long story short, that's why this is all connected.

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Speaker 3: It's the and the subversion is happening because some of

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my analyzes of these of these things over the last

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few months and years made a lot of people mad.

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They didn't know what they thought. I was being crazy conspiratorial,

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and the reaction of certain people was to say, well,

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there's no such thing as foundations and institutions influencing the church,

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which is utterly preposterous, documented in multiple books. So I

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pointed out the fact that well Fordham University has a

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famous Eastern Orthodox studies institute there and they just received

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a grant from some foundation in the UK to study

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gay and lesbian issues and Orthodox churches. So on top

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of that, Harvard has appointed social justice warrior trans people

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to spy on the Orthodox world and to report who

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are the radical right wing extremists and Orthodoxy on and

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on on. So to say that this has nothing to

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do with foundations of petition money is utterly absurd and ignorant.

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In fact, some of the people who claim this actually

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retweet the people from the Foundations for him, namely this

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mister demopopolist I think his name is George Demicopolis, who

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is the head of Fordham's Eastern Studies department.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, so that's that's what's going on. And to

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think that this has.

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Speaker 3: No connection to you know, the CIA and that kind

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of stuff, it would be very naive. So that's essentially

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the essence of what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting, Yeah, because well Bartholomewill is over there in Constantinople,

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you know, which is Turkey if I have my geography correct.

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Speaker 2: Right, it is correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a NATO country. He's also there's not

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much of a of a of an Orthodox population there anymore,

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so he's largely relying on the you know, diaspor and Greeks,

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but also Western World Council Church ifim I understand, and

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exact funding. So yeah, he has no independent base and

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so he's being used. I also understood there's some sort

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of intrigue regarding this reconstruction of an Orthodox church pre

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Orthodox Church in Manhattan and the embezzlement of certain funds,

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and the US government is backing off investigation, and this

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just could be the the sort of the leverage they

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have perhaps over some of these people.

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Speaker 2: Right, that was very likely.

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Speaker 3: But I've also been told Rummant Whisper intelligence is that

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people in those circles are compromised.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's again that's uh wouldn't be uh surprising.

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It's powerful course yes, uh and obviously yeah, this is

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a way that can put create a wedge to get

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in there. And this is another way of tearing you

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tearing Ukraine away from Russia and fully into Nata and

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using using the church the same way perhaps the coldor

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was used to uh suborn or manipulate the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Of course. The book you're referring to by David Wemmoff

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is John Courtney Murray Time Life in the American Proposition,

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How the CIA is Doctrinal Warfare program changed to Catholic

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Church and essential but probably the most important books I've

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ever read understanding the modern world that's going on. And

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it's sort of fundamentally, at least fundamentally changes, but it

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it answers certain questions about what was going on in

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the nineteen sixties in the Catholic Church and what's happened

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since then.

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Speaker 3: So right, and of course, you know, the deeper you

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get into these kind of things, the less aware you

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are of how everyone else is not aware of these things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so that's it's. Yeah, you start talking about it,

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no one is aware of it, and.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what are you talking about? You sound insane?

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Speaker 3: And then you then you point out, well, hey, wait,

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you know the government itself has actually investigated this, right,

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And then you point out the Rice Committee. Yes, hey,

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well do you think the Race Committee findings that was

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only for that time period like that never happened beyond that, Oh,

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we're going to quit now, or like gam Kaldrow, Well

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you investigate us, so well, okay, we'll stop.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna do that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, yeah, that's one thing is I'm also

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just started a book called I Will Be Done. This

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is about the Rockefellers and missionary in Latin America, and

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the tone is kind of lefty but still important in

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the boot least. I haven't gotten too far in the book,

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but it talks about fastic and the use of missionary

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work and for securing the resources of you know, particularly oil,

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but other natural resources of in Brazil and the Amazon

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rainforests and these things, and using these missionary groups as

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a as a as sort of as proxy soldiers, even

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unwittingly in many cases.

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Speaker 3: Well it's funny you said that because I was at

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an Orthodox church a couple of weeks ago. I won't

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say which one. And I was very disheartened by the

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homily because there's student of our priests are once kind

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of younger guy, and he usually gets pretty good, solid homilies,

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but the older priest it is like a completely boomer

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tear and the oakon. And I was really distressed by

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this homily because it was a basically because it was

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Veterans Day. So he was talking about how you know,

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America basically guards world freedom. It's basically four Freedoms of

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FDR into a sermon, and then he was talking about

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right after that, he started talking about asking for money

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for some mission, and I was thinking, he was like,

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I had a friend who you know, this guy, he

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was a doctor and he's given up everything to be

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a missionary. I'm thinking, oh, yeah, right, he's probably he's

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probably working for somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to be that cynical, but you know,

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that's the mindset that you tend to think when you hear,

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you know, a homily that sounds like FDRs for freedoms,

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and then then I hear about a missionary needing money.

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I'm thinking, yeah, right, you're right, but yeah, that's the

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sad state that we're in. And I'm trying to impress people.

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I'm trying to impress the point to people that this

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is cross denominational. Because the oligarchs is the elite, the establishment,

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they're going to do what works. And if this has

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worked for decades now to subvert religious institutions, to turn

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them basically into organs of you know, the corporate state,

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which is what it is, then they're going to keep

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doing it. They're not gonna stop doing it. And the

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reason it works is that people don't figure it out.

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They don't people aren't aware that this is this is

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how religions are used. They're brought into institutions like you mentioned,

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like the National Council churches, World Council churches, which are

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essentially Rockefeller institutions. And again you'll you'll get people who

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will analyze those things and they'll talk about, well, there

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was a lot of KGB at those institutions, and that's true,

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there were KGB that were installed in those but it's

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the same. It's it's like talking about Gorbachev. You know,

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who does Gorbachev end up lauding and praising and working

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for Rockefeller institutions. And so again you have to understand

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that the big money to oliguards are not at cross

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purposes with Sovietism or the KGB or Maoism or anything

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like that.

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Speaker 2: They love it.

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Speaker 3: They love those you know, control systems, those top down

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control systems, whatever titles you want to give them, fascism, communism,

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they all kind of achieve the same goal. There might

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be different flavors, you know what I mean, Like fascism,

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I might not be as degenerate, or something like Bolshevism,

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But in the end I would say that even fascism,

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you know, is problematic because it basically deifies the state.

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Speaker 2: And so what we in my view, what we tend

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to see.

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Speaker 3: And in fact I was as I was reading through

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wim Hoff, I'm simultaneously reading a book by I think

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his name is Papiya Natzev.

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Speaker 2: He's a it's a written in the eighteen nineties, and.

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Speaker 3: It's memoir reflections of a Russian statesman, and he was

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critiquing from the eighteen nineties Russian statesman view, you know,

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writing prior to bulsh of Revolution. He's critiquing Western liberal

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democracy from a Russian Orthodox perspective, and he's saying the

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exact same thing that the anti Americanists are saying in

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Weimhoff's book. Right, So the arguments of even the you know,

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Pope Leo or writings like the Syllabus of Errors or

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Quantikiro or or you know Father Leonard Feeni.

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Speaker 2: Or father I think there's a guy in Webmou's book named.

471
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Speaker 3: Father Tapping or something like that, whether there's a significant

472
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section of an essay that sounds just exact same argumentation

473
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that the pubby knots of is giving about democracy, and

474
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how both of them in fact make the point that

475
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when you try to have separation of church and state,

476
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you don't actually get that.

477
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Speaker 2: What you get is a state control church.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

479
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Speaker 3: That's the irony here is that everybody who all of

480
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these people who are purveyors of separation church and state,

481
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,000
they're always acting like making this argument as if you're

482
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,079
going to get the freedom that you really really want

483
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,759
if you just let us set up the secular you know,

484
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divide and put us set up to secular situation, it's

485
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going to be freedom for you, we promise. Think of

486
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all the tyranny that you've had for all these centuries,

487
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and then what you get is this monstrosity that's just

488
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another shadow controlled, you know, church state.

489
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Speaker 1: That's what we have in America, the managerial state, the bureaucracy.

490
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And back I did an interview, we were talking, oh,

491
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and the gentleman made the point that in eighteen late

492
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nineteenth century there were more bureaucrats in Paris than they

493
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were all throughout the Russian Empire. Yet the Russian Empire

494
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is called autocratic and teran. You know, well, simply they

495
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000
didn't have the officials to do this, so practically speaking

496
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,759
it couldn't be because you had mediating institutions and these

497
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:29,720
things really governed society. And yeah, but that's the false

498
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,799
claim of liberalism and democracy because even at the end

499
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of the day, I think I've made this point to you,

500
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to you, to you directly in other people, is that

501
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,359
we have these paper constitutions, but they don't follow them anyway.

502
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,279
They don't even live up to their own claims exactly.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

504
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Speaker 3: Should There's there's another little book that I think his

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,039
name is Trevor Goodson, I think, but it's a history

506
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,400
of central banking, and he goes he goes into that

507
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,039
point in terms of the Russian government as well about

508
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,160
about what was really going on, and you know, questions

509
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240
of the usury and that kind of stuff. But the

510
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,119
point being is it's just that I'm trying to say

511
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that we we think of America as separation church and state,

512
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but actually the religions in America are essentially organs of

513
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the state.

514
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Speaker 1: Is what it all amounts to, which is what these

515
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:16,839
dated Wemuff makes the point in is book that was

516
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the original plan was to make it. You know, you

517
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create this pluralistic society and it has their own religion.

518
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,680
They can go to church on Sunday and then to

519
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:28,960
become you know, productive, you know, economically driven robots for

520
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,480
the rest of the week, and it doesn't really make

521
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much of a difference.

522
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Speaker 3: Yes, And one of the problems with that is the

523
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,599
Enlightenment assumption of what's called neutrality. So in the Rema

524
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,839
philosophy have this question of philosophical or ideological neutrality, and

525
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,000
is that really possible.

526
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that it is.

527
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Speaker 3: So for example, I think it really quickly breaks down

528
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because we start asking questions like, well, how can the

529
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,880
state be neutral on something like abortion? How can it

530
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,000
be neutral on the question of marriage. Those are institutions

531
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,039
that relate directly to human society. So how can the

532
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,119
state have no position or be neutral on those things.

533
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,640
It's it's really retarded and quite fact childish to think

534
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,319
that it could. And yet that is the the inheritance

535
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,400
that we have from the enlightenment is the assumption that

536
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,000
not just in science that you can be quote neutral,

537
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,160
but then in fact, in all areas of life, there's

538
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,079
this this magical position of neutrality that you don't have

539
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,119
to take a position, or that you can allow some

540
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400
sort of libertarian freedom in and in fact it's just

541
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,359
simply not the case.

542
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Speaker 2: There.

543
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Speaker 3: There's there's no point that in in the world, or

544
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:41,839
or in reality or or human life that is that

545
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640
is neutral. Nothing is if you, if you, if you,

546
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,880
if you stop and think about it. But of course

547
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,920
that's not the pragmatic approach is to stop, is not

548
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:53,880
to stop and reflect or to to even consider something

549
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680
like that. But you know, whether it's you know, Sunday

550
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,279
laws right there used to be Sunday laws, Whether it's

551
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:02,680
you know, the days of the week, you're right, I mean,

552
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:11,279
whether it's questions of usury, whether it's questions of morals, abortion, murder.

553
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,680
You know, none of these things can be can be neutral,

554
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and it doesn't. I mean, certainly there's such a thing

555
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000
as crazy bureaucracy, but at the same time, there's no

556
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:24,039
such thing as like, you know, a state that doesn't

557
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,839
legislate morality that's utterly.

558
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,039
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm personally opposed.

559
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what That's what it does is that

560
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,319
I think wem Hoff and a kind of passing point,

561
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:41,079
actually makes a brilliant argument there that well, isn't that

562
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what's necessary for commerce? I mean, in other words, to

563
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,799
maximize commerce, you need to play down religious laws and

564
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,200
distinctions because it's not good for commerce. Yes, And that's

565
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,680
that's a key point here, is that the real god

566
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,039
in the system is Mammon is the market god.

567
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,359
Speaker 1: And that doesn't you really you get to the essential

568
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,599
questions what constitutes are good and just society? And sometimes

569
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,759
but that gets that's not a pragmatic.

570
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: Question, that's philosophical, and that's no longer pragmatic.

571
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,279
Speaker 1: America. We like to get things done, you know.

572
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and whim Off you know, makes those points right away,

573
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,079
and early on in the book he says that essentially

574
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America is the pragmatic country. I also pretty appreciated the

575
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,599
chapter two he discusses at length. You know that the

576
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,440
quickly like there's a whole chapter on the roads round

577
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,559
table group. Quickly, Lionel curtisis Commonwealth of God, you know,

578
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,720
becomes the idea of the American styleship.

579
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole idea that this the American century

580
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,160
we designed, would be designed by various banker elites who

581
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680
control the media. These are a handful of men for

582
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,559
the most part, who are just who are creating an

583
00:31:54,599 --> 00:32:00,160
economic system which it's called economic freedom, but benef it's

584
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,200
the empire.

585
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: And the same people that designed the Fourteen Points. It's

586
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,480
the same class that designed the Four Freedoms. And they're

587
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,400
the same ones that said that this needs to be

588
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,960
sold to the entire world. And guess what, they're all

589
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,920
bankers and they drew up all the debts after war

590
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:17,599
war war.

591
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: And another false prom It's just like the way the

592
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,079
liberal constitutions of false promises, because the Four Freedoms and

593
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,440
the fourteen Points, well, one thing it didn't apply to

594
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,720
defeated Germany in nineteen eighteen, but later on it didn't

595
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,079
apply to Mussadec in Iran or Guatemala fifty you know

596
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:38,079
under our Benz or Chile in these things, right, because

597
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:39,559
the moment you got fast freedoms.

598
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the freedoms, you know, they're arbitrarily doled out and

599
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,880
taken away.

600
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's it's again just freedom. That sounds great,

601
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:49,400
you know, but they don't live up there.

602
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:51,079
Speaker 2: What about freedom from usury?

603
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, freedom from usury to become institutionalized. You know, it's

604
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,079
but it's what you talk about the use of well

605
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,440
foundations NGOs. You could say, these organizations you don't really

606
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,880
consider governmental h e. Michael Jones in his book, well

607
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,359
in several books, but particularly in the Slaughter of Cities.

608
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:18,240
And also he would a biography of John Cardinal Kroll

609
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,279
in the Cultural Revolution, which actually predates the Slaughter of Cities.

610
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,799
I read it actually in reverse. Wasn't aware of the

611
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Cardinal crole biography, but he says there was a basis.

612
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,640
It was his research to Cardinal Krowell lived a slaughter

613
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,079
of cities and sort of again we have a situation.

614
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,640
This is done in the middle part of the twentieth century. Uh,

615
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,279
because America is a funny situation. Marits. I've heard America

616
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,119
described as sort of a Masonic Frankenstein monster. It's it

617
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,200
was up until the twentieth century was largely decentralized and

618
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,119
at least in the outside of the South, very ethnic

619
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and sort of compartmentalized ethnically, these ethnic conclaves and these things.

620
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,119
But this had to be sort of homogenized for the

621
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
American century and this really began a were one, but

622
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,160
really began an earnest during World War II under the

623
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,440
pretext of war measures to bring you know, black sharecroppers

624
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,239
up from the South to fill the war factories. Because

625
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,360
of the war mobilization, twelve million men went off to fight.

626
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,800
You had this labor shortage that was a need that

627
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,599
had to be met, but it was also used as

628
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,599
a pretext to sort of weaken the unions at the

629
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,480
same time also break up these ethnic neighborhoods that people

630
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,480
like Paul blanchetsaw as being suspect loyalty for the war.

631
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,400
You know, even the Polish Catholics or Irish Catholic wasn't

632
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,920
just Germans or Italians that he targeted. Because these these

633
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,599
Catholic enclaves are ethnic communities, were sort of a stumbling

634
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,639
block to the post war plans. I think they were

635
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,880
already set in motion. But the use of the use

636
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,159
of the foundations like the Ford Foundation, and the use

637
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,920
of after well, one thing later on you should a

638
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,559
head to the sixties. The use of governmental agencies like

639
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,480
the Office Economic Opportunity to UH fund criminal gangs to

640
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:03,440
sort of proxy soldiers to chase the whites out. This

641
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,039
is very similar to what we see like in the

642
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:05,840
Middle East.

643
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:09,639
Speaker 4: With you with some of these you know, with Isis,

644
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,039
so called ISIS of these groups where these these proxy

645
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,920
forces are used to create mayhem to well some sort

646
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,760
of a demographic eive executive perhaps.

647
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,519
Speaker 3: Guess what the same thing is happening to the ethnic

648
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,119
communities of the Orthodox world. It's no different and UH

649
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,159
for example, I was reading article the other day about

650
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,480
I think it was in UH one of the Eurasian

651
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:35,239
publications journal Ineo or whatever, but I think I shared

652
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,000
it online. It's it's a it's a good article talking

653
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,119
about the banker's destruction of Greece.

654
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: Now we all know that this has happened over the

655
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,000
last several years.

656
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: But the leftist government that was supposedly going to stop

657
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,599
and oppose the IMF, oh, well, magically, guess what they

658
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,079
just happened to be people from the IMF and from

659
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,760
uh yeah, Alexi, Cyprus or whatever. And guess what he

660
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,519
wants more mosques in Greece. Now, the Greeks, who of

661
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:09,280
course fought Muslims at different points in history, and even

662
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,000
the Greek bishops in Greece, who are not as bad,

663
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,519
by the way as the American Greek bishops who are

664
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:21,000
the worst. They're mad, they don't want more mosques, and

665
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,440
they're saying, we want borders, we do not want more

666
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:28,599
and more Islamic influx. But guess what that's to destroy?

667
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Greece's to destroy what's there. It's by design, and it's

668
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:38,440
Muslims there, and it's migrant caravans here. It's exactly it's

669
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,199
the exact same models. And it's and what you're talking

670
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:46,280
about with the ethnic enclaves, with Catholics, it's the exact

671
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960
same thing. Yeah, or with or with Southerners, it's exact

672
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,320
same thing.

673
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: And achieve you can achieve a lot of rejectives. One

674
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,880
of things you create, you create white America, right, the

675
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,800
post war white suburbia, which they could be subjected to

676
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,719
the culture Revolution, to the mass media. And this is

677
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,400
all spelled out like you said in various white papers

678
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,320
and think tanks, the creation of suburbia. But the one

679
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,639
example is the efforts for the federal government of promoting

680
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,920
birth control in the nineteen sixties. It had been defeated

681
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,159
in nineteen thirties because of these ethnic these Catholic ethnic neighborhoods,

682
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:22,920
and the Catholic Church were strong because of these ethnic

683
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:29,360
neighborhood neighborhoods. But by the nineteen sixties that they asper

684
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,559
in the suburbia had been you know, had had had

685
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,559
had had happened, and so again you had that loss

686
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,639
of ethnic identity. But one one focal point of his

687
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,039
battle was actually was in Philadelphia where the it was

688
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:49,599
the the blessed most Blested Sacrament Parish. I think it is, yeah,

689
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,079
most Blessed Sacon in Mbia, NBA, most bested Sacrament parish.

690
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,639
It was like one hundred city blocks, very dense, these

691
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:58,800
dense Philadelphia homes, all Catholic, Okay, and it was the

692
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,039
largest Catholic school in the country. Yeah, and provided the

693
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,400
most priest in these things. But it also elected a senator,

694
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,159
Martin Mullen, and that senator was I think controlled the

695
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,159
purse during of the state budget, and he held the

696
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,559
pass against the state of Pennsylvania promoting birth control. And

697
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,639
what they did is they gradually integrated his neighborhood and

698
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,280
he lost his district because of that, and they in

699
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,960
the Catholic ethnic Catholics left for suburbia. And the problem,

700
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,800
but the problem with the archdiocese didn't really didn't have

701
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,159
the sophistications what was going on. They didn't seem the care.

702
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,400
They just thought integration was good, you know, as that

703
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:40,440
was sort of the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age.

704
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:42,679
If you were progressive, you had had to put an integration,

705
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719
as you were a racist if you didn't. But they

706
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,880
didn' understand that this parish was being destroyed, which is

707
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,239
the backbone of the influence of the church from the

708
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,519
standpoint of the archdiocese was the people will just goore

709
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,440
out to suburbia, but they are still members of the archdiocese,

710
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,320
but they're no longer part of a cohesive, tight knit community,

711
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,800
and there goes there goes the cultural influence of the church.

712
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,320
Therefore its political power. Once they're these you know, these

713
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,039
ethics going in the suburb and they become whites, you know,

714
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,199
with you know, watching TV, all they have in common.

715
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,199
And that's and it was very sophisticated, but it was done.

716
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,840
And how this was done was the employment of foundations,

717
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:23,440
Quaker organizations, UH, the Catholic inter racial councils, shoot people withinside.

718
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,360
The liberals withinside the church either understood this or didn't care.

719
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,159
They just wanted to be good liberals. But this again

720
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,800
you use ethnic warfare. And superficially it looks good because

721
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,679
everyone supporting integration, but really from a route from a

722
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,760
political science and sociological standpoint, just sort of creating the

723
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,679
homogenization of society and destroying groups that might present some

724
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,760
check on the Uh. The objectives of the empire, which

725
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,360
one of the thing was was, of course, was depopulation

726
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,480
and birth control, and the courts were there with Griswold

727
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,679
of the Connecticut ninet sixty five to legalize it. What

728
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,039
happened was once the court's r it was right, a

729
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:04,719
privacy right, governments can now go out and actively promoted.

730
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,079
Before that they couldn't promote this thing, and they started

731
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,199
promoting it. And I think it was William Ball, who

732
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,519
was a Catholic lawyer working for the archdioces, made the

733
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,320
argument that well if it's a right to privacy, and

734
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,320
the government's not right even promoting because you're invading someone's

735
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,239
privacy by promoting it. But that's just My point is

736
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,239
just that is kind of a micro example of the

737
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,800
importance of these ethnic neighborhoods and how you can achieve

738
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,000
a much larger political objective just by demographic warfare. And

739
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,159
it's indirect, so it isn't isn't particularly noticed. And the

740
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,280
point is is the Foundations are key to this.

741
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 2: Yes, there are maybe an analogous example.

742
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 3: Orthodoxy in America is kind of confusing because there's a

743
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,800
lot of different jurisdictions. And the reason for that is

744
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,239
because in Orthodoxy there's no position higher than a bishop.

745
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,039
If if say the Russian Orthodox Church extends missions to America,

746
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:04,280
if it sets up a mission church, then that church

747
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,039
has unless it's granted autocephalis status.

748
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 2: It's usually in some.

749
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: Way connected to, you know, a Russian bishop or something

750
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,760
like that. If the Greeks set up a mission church,

751
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,440
the same situation happens, and so there's been a move

752
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:22,039
for example, amongst I would argue, I used to think

753
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,480
it sounded like a good idea to have all of

754
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,000
the jurisdictions of orthodox in America United. But now that

755
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,480
I understand the way that this stuff actually works, that

756
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,239
would be a bad thing because what would happen is

757
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,440
it would all probably they would try to put it

758
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:42,320
under one single American jurisdiction that would be completely controlled.

759
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,360
So that would actually be a nightmare. So it's actually

760
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,880
good that we have different parishes, Russian churches, Serbian churches,

761
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,320
Romania Orthodox, all these different types, because that's much more

762
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,960
difficult to try to force everybody into the acceptance of

763
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,159
one giant, so called canonical thing that's run by you know,

764
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,199
foundations and a bunch of stooges.

765
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,639
Speaker 1: When you end up with a rainbow flag outside the church, anyway.

766
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: You will you'll have to.

767
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, and and I remember, you know, ten years

768
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,119
ago I started looking at Orthodoxy, and I remember people

769
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,400
talking about, well, we need to have all the jurisdictions united,

770
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
we need to have one jurisdiction for North America.

771
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: And and ideally, normally that would be the case.

772
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 3: But nowadays, given the way I have a I think

773
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,800
a better picture of how you know, subversion works, that

774
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,679
sounds like a nightmare.

775
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,519
Speaker 2: We would not want that.

776
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:40,039
Speaker 3: But but yeah, and and that would play into ethnic

777
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,719
uh of subversion as well. So you're absolutely right. So yeah,

778
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,559
and there's two there's there's different errors here, Like there's

779
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,000
the there's the focusing too much on the ethnicity, which

780
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:56,559
happens at times of Orthodoxy, and it causes problems. But

781
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,159
at the same time that can also be a positive,

782
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,880
it can be a firewall. So so there's no easy

783
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,719
answers to this because the system that you know, that

784
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,119
we are opposed to is a system that utilizes Mammon

785
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,559
to essentially destroy man. And and that's the problem is

786
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,920
that people don't see that. And I always again I

787
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,039
come back to, you know, think about the Godfather, right,

788
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:24,599
and I think Weimhoff has a section where he talks

789
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,719
about this that that's that's an emblem of the destruction

790
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,679
of the people group.

791
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,159
Speaker 2: You see.

792
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: The same idea in Scarface is you have these people

793
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,400
who would have been would have been more traditionally minded

794
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,599
in their religious views. And the same would apply to

795
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,119
any person who comes to America, you know, to make

796
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,400
his way from whatever religious background. The same ideas there

797
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,480
is that the kind of system that America is is

798
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:54,360
a system that entices you on the basis of material prosperity.

799
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,000
And I thought the chapter that Weimhoff had about Walter

800
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:02,800
Litmann was especially because the jibes perfectly with what we've covered,

801
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,400
for example, at my site in Miles Copeland, because Miles

802
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,800
Copeland said, we wanted to sell Hollywood and Americanism, or

803
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,880
we wanted to sell Americanism in Egypt, so we just

804
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,639
sent them Hollywood movies because that made them all think that,

805
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,679
you know, living the good life is essentially you know,

806
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,079
climbing up the ladder, and you see that that's what

807
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,119
it's about. That's what the enticement that why do all

808
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:28,639
these third world people want to come here when they

809
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:30,559
want to have a better life, they want to make money,

810
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,599
but they don't understand that three generations from now, that's

811
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:40,239
to turn their offspring into goblins.

812
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,159
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, yeah, And that's a good example of that

813
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,800
is a lot of the people from Mexico who migrate

814
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,199
north exactly once they get away from like our lated Guadalupe,

815
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,199
they lose their Catholicism, especially Mexican form of Catholicism. That's

816
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,840
how they identify with it, and it's very it's not

817
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,159
very strong up here. And what they become again, these

818
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,079
you know, like you said goblins.

819
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not like it's not like it's

820
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,559
only white people that are going to be promoted with

821
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,440
the trainee stuff.

822
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: It's everybody. Yeah, yeah, and the school the schools are

823
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,199
pushing that.

824
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: And now you know, Canada has legalized BC reality, so

825
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,320
that that's completely legal to have BC reality, you know,

826
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,360
So it's not just I mean, it's like every degeneracy

827
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,000
is going to be pushed out and promoted and it's

828
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,320
going to be basically a completely satanic order, is what

829
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,639
it is.

830
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, mhm. And Chris this, you know, Chase a lot

831
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,480
of these countries, the Latin America, Mexico, you know, they've

832
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,280
invade Americans, America's Freemasonic project in Mexico and uprooting the

833
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,519
traditional state there in the nineteenth century.

834
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,559
Speaker 2: And America it was fostered by Mason's.

835
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Masons, and uh again there's a context here that

836
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,599
you know America's had played has played. It has played

837
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,199
a large role in keeping these countries poor and destabilized.

838
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,519
And this is a model here, because you do that,

839
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,239
you create an endless supply, virtually in the supply of

840
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,519
not only caravans of people who can come up and

841
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,599
create social disruption and just create sort of a strategy tension,

842
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,920
but also cheap labor, you know, cheap labor. That's the

843
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,119
coincides with the so called free trade and these things.

844
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,760
They've always leveraged the enslaved or exploited you know, wretched

845
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,360
masses of the of the colonies of the empire for

846
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,960
labor and call that free trade. And that's something that

847
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,400
British Empire did the Germany in the nineteenth century.

848
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a great point, and people don't think about

849
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,559
it being studied at that level. But there was in

850
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,800
fact a UN paper from a couple of years. The

851
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,199
paper was from early two thousands, I think, but somebody

852
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400
had it was going around the alt media a few

853
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,000
months ago, maybe a few weeks ago for you what

854
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,880
it was. But basically, this UN paper was about population

855
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,800
projections for different regions and they were giving scenarios. It

856
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,760
was like eight different scenarios, and one of those scenarios

857
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:05,320
was the basically the displacement of the normative Caucasian population

858
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:12,800
by large amounts of Latin South American, Mexican you know,

859
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,159
population moving into moving into the US. By I think

860
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:21,679
they had something like twenty fifty. So in other words,

861
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,760
and now it was presented in this this particular un

862
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,559
paper as just one of the many scenarios, right like.

863
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Oh but but no, that's never used as a game plan.

864
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,719
They would never use that as like an actual strategy.

865
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,159
Speaker 3: No, even though there's books by countless academics like Weapons

866
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,320
and Mass Migration, they would never actually use that, right.

867
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,199
Speaker 2: It's just it's just an objective.

868
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: Analysis, you know, even though even though the bankers say

869
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,599
we want to you know, Peter sutherlandless flood these countries

870
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,719
with even though you know Wesley Clarks, it's time for

871
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,440
all this to go away.

872
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: No, they would never do that.

873
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's just how does the millions that end

874
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,159
up in Minnesota.

875
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,559
Speaker 3: Or Tennessee or in natural I met a guy at

876
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:03,719
a bookstore and he was a leftist guy. He ran

877
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,159
one of the bookstores that closed down, the old bookstore downtown.

878
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,480
And he saw me looking through the geopolitics section one

879
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,440
day and he was, what are you There's not many

880
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,400
people buy those books.

881
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

882
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: It was like I was looking for anything to do

883
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,280
with I think I said something like cold war and

884
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,599
he was like, oh, well, blah blah blah. He said, yeah,

885
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:24,760
I've always been anti war and all this stuff, and

886
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,079
he had these kind of like you know, oh yeah,

887
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,400
there's a you know, a deep state cabal and this

888
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,320
kind of stuff, and they you that's who killed JFK.

889
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: And then he's like, yeah, I gotta go, because so

890
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:34,880
I gotta go.

891
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,679
Speaker 3: I volunteer at one of the refugee centers where we

892
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,079
were receiving all the sommelions.

893
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,199
Speaker 2: In Nashville. There's all these aliens coming in.

894
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, why and who's paying for it? Mm hm agency yeah, yeah,

895
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,559
Soros organizations. But yeah, yeah, and they're making money hands

896
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:54,400
of a fist doing it too.

897
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: That was another big key too that I think Jesse

898
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,119
Russell pointed out one of your interviews, and I she

899
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,400
I looked this up after he mentioned it, and that

900
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:07,000
was a thing I missed too, was all the virtue

901
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,480
signaling about the stuff by these retarded churches.

902
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's all of them.

903
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: There's Orthodox or virtue signaling. The mainline Greeks were Protestant churches,

904
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,920
the liberal ones obviously, and the Roman Catholic bishops. They

905
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,519
were virtue signaling over this because they're getting money for

906
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:26,400
these refugees.

907
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where the brick and mortar. Meant, you know,

908
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,480
as Michael Jenny's called it, they're busy establishing their churches,

909
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,840
but not not keen to the psychological worf are being

910
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,960
waged against their flock. And as he said, so they're

911
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:45,119
you're they're bringing knives and gunfights and they have no understanding.

912
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,159
In some cases, I think it might be actually it

913
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,719
might be more sinister than that. Oh yeah, you know

914
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,400
someone like a Cardinal Bernard.

915
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,119
Speaker 2: Bernardine Bernardin or Mahoney.

916
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: He was involved with what's his name in Chicago Ago.

917
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,440
You know, the guy who was for radicals, Solinski. Yeah,

918
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:10,280
he's working he's working with Sololensky. I'm like, okay. And

919
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,840
everywhere it goes as a trail of you know, reports

920
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,599
of abused children. So you know, you know, whatever thing,

921
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:23,840
you know, whatever you want for from that. But with uh,

922
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,079
you in the talk you were I think you opened

923
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:33,480
it up with this thirty six year interview with Norman Dodd,

924
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:37,840
which is very important, but it's one of these things.

925
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,440
Were Norman Dodd, who was the chief investigator for the

926
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,519
Reesky men you mentioned earlier, and you alluded to this

927
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,320
early is at one point there's a there was a

928
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,639
very serious creationial investigation or the role of the Foundations

929
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,199
when a wormser wrote a book called Foundations in Their

930
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,079
Power and he details us. But there was a very

931
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,960
serious investigation of what they were doing, un American activities

932
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,840
and what Norman Dodd describes as Unemarrian activities, just using

933
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,840
unconstitutional methods to change the government or society, which I

934
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,840
thought was a pretty fair, you know, explanation of something

935
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,760
as vague as un American people, you know. But he

936
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,519
he uh, I mean, actually I'll let you you I

937
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,000
mean you you well, I mean the.

938
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: People who are doing this are committed americanness.

939
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,639
Speaker 3: Uh. And they knew no better, right, I mean, they

940
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:26,760
were they they operated on the basis of the light

941
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,800
that was given to them, so uh, you know, they

942
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,239
didn't know any better. But it's it's just like the

943
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,679
I heard some story about the guy who founded the

944
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,119
Birch Society. I forget he was some general or something,

945
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:40,039
and you.

946
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: Know, he.

947
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Was well intentioned, but supposedly he got blown away by

948
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,719
the fact that he realized that it was these big Foundations.

949
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,840
It wasn't just commies. It was like, you know, very

950
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,760
wealthy people supporting all this stuff in America. Right, So

951
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,199
the same principle year is that if you look, for example,

952
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,639
at the things that they list that the various foundations Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie,

953
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:17,079
blah blah, it was ideas like relativism, moral relativism, culture relativism, socialism,

954
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,559
this kind of stuff.

955
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 2: And that makes perfect sense because if.

956
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: We think about, you know, Uri Besmanov, the endlessly cited

957
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,199
Defector interview, and I think it's Gward Griffin, it's g

958
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,119
Edward Griffin that's interviewing Norman Dodd.

959
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,079
Speaker 2: Is she Edward Griffin that interviews Uri Bezmov.

960
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what's interesting is that that in the Besmanov

961
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,039
lecture he doesn't ever he says he talks about things

962
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,320
that are real subversive techniques. So all that stuff that

963
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,159
he says is correct, but I don't think he gives

964
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,760
a full story fee's behind it. But if you look

965
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,480
at what the findings of the recent committee are, that's

966
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:52,880
who it is.

967
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: It's those people.

968
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:58,519
Speaker 3: It's Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie, you know, the big bankers, all

969
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,280
these families, That's who it is.

970
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: In the interview, Norman Dodd talks about when he was

971
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,559
like thirty years old at the time of the Great

972
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,920
crash nineteen twenty nine, but he was told to investigate

973
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:16,800
it by about banking reform. I think other quote, it's

974
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,480
very interesting, he is when I was thirty. I was

975
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:19,880
thirty at the time. I had no more right to

976
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,280
you go. Much of my surprise, my superiors, in the

977
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,159
middle of the panic in which they were immersed, confronted me,

978
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,760
and I was confronted with the question, Norm, what do

979
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,239
we do now? I was thirty at the time. I

980
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,719
had no more right to have an answer to that

981
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,679
question than the man on the moon. However, I did

982
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,400
manage to say to my superiors, gentlemen, you take this

983
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,400
experience as proof of something that you do not know

984
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,760
about banking, and you better go find out what that

985
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,320
something isn't act accordingly, four days later, I was confronted

986
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,440
by the same superiors with a statement to the effect

987
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,679
that Norm, you go find out. And I really was,

988
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,599
and I really was a full enough to accept the assignment,

989
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:58,960
because it meant that you were going out to search

990
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,840
for something. He could tell you what you were looking for.

991
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,840
I felt so strongly on the subject that I consented

992
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,559
to it. I was really vulnerable duties I'll paraphrase here.

993
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,079
And he went out and he did investigated and basically

994
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,480
came back with the report, I guess promoting sound banking.

995
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,159
That's the solution. Uh, where is this? Here go?

996
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: Here go?

997
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,559
Speaker 1: So I rendered such a report, and as a result

998
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,400
of the report I rendered, I was told the following

999
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,960
norm what you're saying is we should return to sound banking.

1000
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:33,039
And I said, yes, in essence, that's exactly what is

1001
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,480
that I am saying. Whereupon I got my first shock

1002
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,719
was the statement from them to this effect, we will

1003
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,519
never see sound banking in the United States again, and

1004
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,119
they cited chapter verse to support that statement. But they

1005
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,679
decided was as followed. Since the end of World War One,

1006
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,400
we have been responsible for what they call the institutionalization

1007
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,800
of conflicting interest and they're so prevalent inside this country

1008
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,079
they can never be resolved. This came to me as

1009
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,880
an extraordinary shock because these men who had made this

1010
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,559
statement were the men who deemed redeemed the most prominent

1011
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,239
bankers in the country. The bank of which I was

1012
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,480
a part of was spoken of a Morgan bank. Coming

1013
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:09,400
from the men of that caliber, statement of that kind

1014
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,800
made a tremendous impression on me. Now, what he's saying

1015
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,199
from that is that the banking system, of financial system

1016
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,199
is made purposely unstable to create occasional shocks for the

1017
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:23,800
purpose of I think, well, I would say, and so

1018
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,639
he's being told that the system is made to be

1019
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,039
intentionally unstable. They want this is strategy of tension, you know,

1020
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,159
just to create a crisis. And this is since you

1021
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:35,360
would occurred with the Great Depression and the and the

1022
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,159
and the other panic. But yeah, I mean that's I mean,

1023
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,480
that was an interesting part of that interview. But he

1024
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,679
he says, uh, with the Reese Committee, he does this

1025
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,679
investigation and he goes up there, I think since Katherine

1026
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,119
Casey have to investigate the minutes of the Carnagian Down

1027
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,400
for Peace and discovers and she discovers a conspiracy to

1028
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,599
drag the country into war for the purposes of collectivization

1029
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,599
of the country. The fundamentally change. Basically, there's no better

1030
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:07,599
way to fundamentally change a culture or country than to

1031
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,840
drag it into war. And also the subsequent plan to

1032
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:15,280
after plans to extend the First World War, to extend

1033
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,239
the crisis to I guess, create more damage to society,

1034
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:24,119
trauma and then all things possible and take measures to

1035
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,719
avoid a reversion to normal times for peace time, and

1036
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,239
we call that the twentieth century, right, I mean, that's.

1037
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,079
Speaker 2: Correct.

1038
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: And the people at the Rhodes Rothschild Society, the elect

1039
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,480
group that we've covered, that's the one that's who cooked

1040
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,079
all this up. And they're the ones who cooked up

1041
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,239
the need to bring America into the wars, to be

1042
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,039
the engine for this, to not only create instability and

1043
00:56:54,159 --> 00:57:02,119
to have the villains like Hitler, but to also they're

1044
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,760
also smart enough and devious enough that they know that

1045
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:10,880
the wars will exhaust certain countries, it will exhaust their enemies,

1046
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,320
and they even talked about that. In fact, there's a

1047
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,079
chapter where Quickly talks about that with Italy.

1048
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:15,639
Speaker 2: He says that.

1049
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,719
Speaker 3: What Mussolini did was actually advantageous for the West. Mussolini

1050
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,400
basically exhausted Italy. They had nothing they could do after

1051
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,840
the war. Not that Italy was necessarily that that great

1052
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,960
of a war power, but the point is that the

1053
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:37,719
Axis powers couldn't. It's Germany really was the main problem.

1054
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,880
As you know, Quickly, any Michael Jones and every Stratford Freeman,

1055
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,239
sure everybody agrees that that's what the Royal Society did,

1056
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,840
was they came up with a plan to basically wreck

1057
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,039
Germany and it worked, and then they did the same

1058
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:50,800
thing with Russia.

1059
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: We know we've covered that, But the point is that

1060
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,639
that the people who have these.

1061
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: Big, big picture strategy analyzes done, they're smart enough to know.

1062
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: How to play a big game, That's what I'm trying

1063
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:10,679
to say.

1064
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: So they know the stuff about migration movements, population movements,

1065
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,480
how to di wrect cultures through that that we talked

1066
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,039
about a few minutes ago, And they know the same

1067
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:25,719
strategies with economy, how to sink and cycle economies through

1068
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:33,280
different means. That was covered excellently. One of the crucial

1069
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,119
chapters in Tragedy, and hope that people miss as the

1070
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,440
FDR chapter because if you if you just see FDRs

1071
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,760
a socialist or e commy, you miss that, You miss it,

1072
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,840
you miss the whole thing. Because even Wimhaw points out

1073
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:50,119
that FDRs for freedoms, that's perfectly in line with the

1074
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,679
spirit of American capitalism, even though he was a collectivist,

1075
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
and the promotion of collectivism in this regard is not

1076
00:58:56,119 --> 00:59:00,320
contrary to monopoly capitalism at all. And when you see

1077
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,920
the cycles. This was the quickly chapter on FDR that's

1078
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,039
so crucial that the cycles are intentional to have a

1079
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:12,119
period of prosperity and propatization that then transitions into a

1080
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,239
cycle of austerity and collectivization. And they and the bankers

1081
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,280
are smart enough that they know that and they can

1082
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,800
plan that and that What that does, as we said,

1083
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:26,119
was it collectivises the debt, the future energy of your

1084
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:31,000
children are basically already down payments on future debts.

1085
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: That's how they do it.

1086
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: And they keep you in slavery, not just your generation,

1087
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,039
but generation after generation of generation generation. And they can

1088
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:44,039
even cycle the economy through different phases of boom and bust.

1089
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,880
That's how it's done. So it's not a free market.

1090
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,960
It's a rigged, rigged economy, even though it's sold as

1091
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,559
a free market.

1092
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: It's it's it's.

1093
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: Basically just scam within scam within scam. It's like onion

1094
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,079
layers of scams. I know, we talked about that before.

1095
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole bank financial system and insurance, even healthcare insurance,

1096
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,480
the debt model and these things all it's all designed

1097
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:07,639
for extraction.

1098
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: Harvesting exactly, harvesting energy basically energy parasites basically.

1099
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,599
Speaker 1: Now, I mean you you talked a lot about Who's book.

1100
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,559
I think it would be fair we talk about that.

1101
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,480
And because we talk about this dark kryning of warfare

1102
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:23,400
and he in the book.

1103
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,519
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, can I add something?

1104
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Sure?

1105
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: Do you remember when you and I were talking about

1106
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,960
the funny chapter in Quickly where he talks about the

1107
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:37,400
Bank of England and the secret thenorage vaults and stuff.

1108
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Doctor Evil's gold orders.

1109
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:43,679
Speaker 3: Did you see did you see the article that I

1110
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,400
found that I put up in James Bond taught where

1111
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,719
the queen is walking in the secret vaults looking at

1112
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,960
her two hundred and sixty billion dollars in gold.

1113
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, and they know she's she's goldfinger.

1114
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, it's like her and Lord

1115
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,840
Rothschild or like gold Hanger together.

1116
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: The trying of warfare program. Because this kind of this,

1117
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,199
this is this kind of spells out what you're talking.

1118
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:12,559
Speaker 3: By the way, by the way, if you have that

1119
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,519
much of the gold I mean, if you remember goldfigures plot.

1120
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,880
I'm sorry, i mean interrupt you a bit, but I

1121
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,000
think this plays into I'm theorizing here, conspiracy theorizing this

1122
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:26,000
plays into manipulation of the gold market. I mean if

1123
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:28,280
you have like the control like a giant chunk of

1124
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,760
the world, then aren't gold markets manipulated? I mean Paul

1125
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,480
Greg Roberts has been arguing this for a long time.

1126
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this you can't even rely on a gold

1127
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:39,599
standard right right now, fiat currency, because what you're dealing

1128
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:42,840
with this hot this level of criminality, that faith, there's

1129
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,960
no This goes back to there's no economic model that

1130
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,480
can compensate for sus criminality.

1131
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: And yes, that's a great point. Yeah, I mean it gives.

1132
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,039
Speaker 1: Back to basically has to assistant, has to have a

1133
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,039
certain agivement tag Greene, honor to and it doesn't. It

1134
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:59,320
just collapses And there's no model that can protect you

1135
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,920
from because I really because if you have honorable people

1136
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,599
running the printing press, even if currency we're working was

1137
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,039
backed by economic production, there's no you know.

1138
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: But the.

1139
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,719
Speaker 1: Walhof book Sites is docturnal warfare program. It was documental

1140
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:19,480
psb D thirty three with annexes which basically the program

1141
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,039
was to target intellectuals, business leaders, and clerics and a

1142
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:25,400
number of different societies with the goal of having them

1143
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,480
improve the American ideology and principle. Psychological warfare is defined

1144
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,239
further in this interview. Two key aspects of American theology

1145
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,280
my book proposals are I'm reading from wormhaw summation so

1146
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,079
called separation of church and state, along the conception of

1147
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:43,199
religious liberty with the means that there is not a

1148
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,679
state established church and their religion is not a form

1149
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,840
not to form the basis of public policy. And the

1150
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,800
freedom of a press, which effectively puts culture and real

1151
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,239
power over the minds of the citizenry in the hands

1152
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,760
of private concerns like six corporations. We now have to that, wow,

1153
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:05,760
interlocked corporations. And we see this today because now a

1154
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,519
lot of Catholics, even the Pope, the current pope, has

1155
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,519
internalized the American ideology. I think it was in September

1156
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:13,920
of twenty fifteen he talked about the separation church of

1157
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,519
state is the model and the integral or confessional state

1158
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,559
simply doesn't work, which is a contradiction right, Yeah, of

1159
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:23,519
church teachings.

1160
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1161
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,199
Speaker 3: I think you could argue that the on the start

1162
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,840
of the papacy Benedict the fifteenth the beginning of the

1163
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,639
craps because he supported the League of Nations, and of

1164
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:42,599
course successors to him were less less amicable to this

1165
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,679
kind of a thing. But yeah, I don't think there's

1166
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,280
there's not much debate that you know, from John the

1167
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,400
twenty third on you essentially get this line of thinking.

1168
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I've read a large portion.

1169
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Of the encyclicals of all of the popes after well,

1170
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,039
I've read a lot of the twenty century and cyclicals,

1171
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,840
but I've read John twenty third, I've read Paul the

1172
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,880
six I've read you know, many of John, Paul the Seconds,

1173
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:17,000
and Benedict, and they all are in unison there about

1174
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,079
the confessional state's basically done.

1175
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a relic.

1176
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: See, that's it's like because again, as Americans, you know,

1177
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,440
we grew up in a you know, in a again

1178
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:35,440
a society where there is no state church, right.

1179
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: And ironically, for me, I never questioned that until I

1180
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,800
became a Calvinist, and it was it was ironically Calvinists

1181
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,239
of all people that got me questioning that. Not because

1182
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,760
they so much adhere to a confessional state, but in

1183
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,360
certain strands of Calvinism, you have the idea that the

1184
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,239
moral law of God has to apply to the civil sphere.

1185
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,559
It doesn't make any sense and it's not coherent to

1186
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,519
try to you that you know God has all the

1187
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,920
attributes that you believe he has, like like omnipresence and omniscience,

1188
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,199
and that you know all areas of life are essentially

1189
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,159
under his.

1190
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: His providence and sovereignty.

1191
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: Well, then it only logically follows that the moral law

1192
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:19,000
also extends into all areas of life. And if that

1193
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:23,639
is true, which obviously is, then that applies to the

1194
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,000
civil seris as well. And you know, as a Calvinist,

1195
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,920
I was pretty ignorant of church history. But then when

1196
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,000
I deeper, I doubt into church history, you've learned that, well,

1197
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,960
this is the normative view of the Church. The Church,

1198
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,639
even the early church fathers prior to the Christian Christianization

1199
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:38,239
of the Kingdom, supported the death penalty.

1200
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,039
Speaker 2: They supported uh, the the the the theory of just war,

1201
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,000
on and on and on. And they did that because

1202
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,679
of their view of scriptures. They saw a.

1203
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 3: Unity between the Old and the New Testaments. They didn't

1204
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,760
teach Marsianism.

1205
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

1206
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,519
Speaker 3: And when you read the history of the Church and

1207
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:59,559
you see countless kings converted to Christianity and then essentially

1208
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,960
setting up Christianity as the confessional religion, that's the norm

1209
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,400
and everybody knows this from countless examples in church history.

1210
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,519
I was just watching a documentary on Byzantium and Empress

1211
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,239
Theodora built a giant church to to to patron saints

1212
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:21,360
of the Byzantine Army. The army had patron saints. That

1213
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,480
is not the how far as night and day from

1214
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:27,800
what we're talking about with the idea of essentially the

1215
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,920
secular atheist state. And by the way, I am going

1216
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,719
to do eventually firing the minds of Ment, and I've

1217
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,239
read not a lot of I've read about five chapters

1218
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,320
of fire the Minds of Ment, and and already we're

1219
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:47,360
coming to see that the Billington is honest in his

1220
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,440
and he's an apologist like he's pro you know, revolutionary America.

1221
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,039
He's saying, basically what Wimhoff is saying is that the

1222
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,719
spirit of seventeen seventy six is the spirit of I mean,

1223
01:06:57,719 --> 01:06:59,440
he doesn't talk about Vatican too, but he's saying that

1224
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,760
that is the logical end result of the Spirit of

1225
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,119
seventeen seventy six is essentially complete religious freedom.

1226
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,039
Speaker 2: God doesn't have anything to do with the civil sphere.

1227
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,760
Blah blah blah blah blah.

1228
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: But again, whether you're Roman Catholic or whether you're Orthodox,

1229
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,159
everybody knows that the double headed eagle is the ancient

1230
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:19,239
symbol of the church.

1231
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,039
Speaker 2: And that's because it represents church and state under God symphony, right.

1232
01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:27,719
Speaker 3: Right, which even the I mean, it's the same principle

1233
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,199
in Catholicism too. I mean the austral Hungarian in parts

1234
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:31,480
symbol is double headed eagle.

1235
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: So now with it, of course, America itself is different.

1236
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:42,280
It's it's the first state that was established that that

1237
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,280
what did have this non establishment church, you know, the

1238
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,519
separation church the state, which really isn't in the constitution

1239
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:51,079
Thomas Jefferson.

1240
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 3: Right, it's Jefferson and Roger Williams and the Baptist Schooboles.

1241
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: So really, I mean, obviously you really can't have that.

1242
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,239
It's not reason. It's an excuse to sort of purged

1243
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,440
religious and it's from the public square and inject secular

1244
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:05,880
humanism or ideology or some secular ideology. And there's because

1245
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,440
nature abhors a vacuums, someone's values will indeed prevail. It's

1246
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,280
a question of who's Yeah.

1247
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,039
Speaker 3: You know, however, I don't buy I used to try

1248
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:18,399
to argue that you could read the documents as Christian.

1249
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,439
But I more and more don't really think you can,

1250
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,199
because let me just think about the conglomeration of people

1251
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,199
that came together to draw them up.

1252
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,039
Speaker 2: I mean it's essentially ecumenical.

1253
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's get a bunch of Baptists and

1254
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,159
Congregationalists and Atheists and Satanists and Daists and Masons and

1255
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,920
Episcopalians together and come up with an idea of government.

1256
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, the Catholic Church.

1257
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:41,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

1258
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: And this the woman writes about this, this book is

1259
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,680
is the allure of America I think you alluded to early,

1260
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,560
is that it offers material prosperity, a lot of goodies,

1261
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,800
a lot of babbles and things that, you know, gagulating

1262
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,159
and things like that, and so tradition we've always been.

1263
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,199
I mean, obviously you can't make them not have two masters?

1264
01:08:59,079 --> 01:08:59,720
What does it profit?

1265
01:08:59,800 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 2: Mean?

1266
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,520
Speaker 1: And loses us? You know, if he gains the whole world,

1267
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,800
loses the soul. There's a acknowledgment in traditional Christianity about

1268
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,880
this temptation, even Jesus in the desert, in these things

1269
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,119
being offered, all the principalities and powers Domitian over them,

1270
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:16,479
and him rejecting it. But the what am I getting

1271
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:22,479
at here here the idea that well, the corruption of

1272
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,079
the of American of Americanism, uh vis via the Cavioch Church.

1273
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,920
This why Americanism pervades the Catholic Church, not just Vatican

1274
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,800
cub Long before the answered David Wemhoff writes about is

1275
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,680
that life in America a relative like maybe life in

1276
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,279
Ireland or even you know, Germany in the mid nineteenth

1277
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:44,239
century was very nice. Catholic Catholics come here, there are restrictions,

1278
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,720
but they prospered, that did well relative to their cousins

1279
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,720
back in the old country. So they gained a certain

1280
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,159
amount of loyalty to America based on their on their

1281
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:56,560
financial prosperity, on their material prosperity. So they became dire

1282
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:01,840
loyal to that. And this was the sort is their

1283
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:06,000
material comfort again is what makes them Americanists. And so

1284
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,680
they have to become loyal to the state. And so

1285
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,159
they start to come to believe that the state being

1286
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:15,079
ideal as opposed to the Catholic Church. Prior to the

1287
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:19,399
sixties saw the situation in America sort of the Catholic

1288
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,199
Church having a practical relationship to what the state was.

1289
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:25,119
The fact that Catholic Church always had this, always took

1290
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,119
a practical approach to what government was in power at

1291
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:29,840
the time, right, and so it said, okay, this is

1292
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,279
the state, the current situation, the way it is. It

1293
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,520
was somewhat ameliorated by the fact that America was so decentralized.

1294
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,920
And again we talked about these ethnic neighborhoods in the north,

1295
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:41,159
in the Midwest and these things. So that had an

1296
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:43,920
effect or of amiliorating these things. America wasn't quite the

1297
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,800
empire yet. It became more of a problem when she

1298
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,720
became an empire in the latter half of the twenty

1299
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,359
you know, after the Second War, going leading into the

1300
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:55,359
Second World War. But you have the Catholic Church relation

1301
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,680
to traditional states like Spain or Portugal, where the Church

1302
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:05,800
became internally hostile to like Franco Spain or sal Salzov's Portugal,

1303
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,000
or what happened in Italy in the nineteen forties. And

1304
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,239
then of course this was Henry LUs because Hendy Lus's

1305
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:13,199
wife was the ambassador to Italy, and you talk about

1306
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,600
it wasn't just Henry Luce there. There was Notre Dame

1307
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,039
here in America who was the pining for Rockefeller funds,

1308
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:23,600
but also this outfit but pro Dare University in Italy.

1309
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,239
Speaker 2: Yes, the CIA set up yeah university. Right.

1310
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: But the point is that the that the the Church

1311
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:35,800
of sof became hostile to confessional or intego estates like

1312
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,680
Franco Spain in the name of democracy.

1313
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,079
Speaker 2: Right, And everybody knows that that is the norm and

1314
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:45,680
the history of the church. The Church is not.

1315
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: And there's a thousand different lies and and made up

1316
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,640
nonsense that people try to use to justify this. They'll

1317
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,079
talk about, Oh, but the early Church, well, the early

1318
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:59,840
Church was busy christianizing the empire and dying to make

1319
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:04,359
the imperium you know, christian Right, So you can't look

1320
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,359
to you know, martyrs as if as if that is

1321
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,119
the goal. No, the goal, as the prophets predicted many

1322
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:14,800
times over throughout the Psalms, throughout major minor prophets, is

1323
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,960
that the nations and the kings of the earth would

1324
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,479
convert to Christ.

1325
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: And they did.

1326
01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 3: And that's that's one of the reasons we know Christianity

1327
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,720
is true. Is all these prophecies in the Law and

1328
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,640
the Prophets and the Psalms predict the fact that the

1329
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,000
kings of the nations will convert to Christ. And they did,

1330
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,760
and by the way, their kingdoms converted. And it's only

1331
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,239
they understood properly and correctly that you can't banish God

1332
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:41,079
from the civil sphere. Once you do that, as many

1333
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:43,880
wise men have noticed, you get a new God. You

1334
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,760
don't get secular state. You get a new God. And

1335
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:50,399
this is interesting because many of these esotericis and occultists

1336
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:55,920
and degenerates, they're more than happy to put a new

1337
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,640
God into place because you fell for that. You fell

1338
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,840
for the goofy lie that you would get you know,

1339
01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:04,319
no god, you would get neutrality. No, you get a

1340
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,159
new you get a new master. Right, no man can

1341
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,319
serve two masters, which assumes that you're serving one or

1342
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:13,079
the other one. There's no neutrality, you're not. Jesus has

1343
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:17,079
no neutrality in that equation. There so anyway, but yes,

1344
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:21,520
uh uh, it's it's again. It seems so far fetched

1345
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,399
anybody who grew up in America the idea of the

1346
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,920
confessional state. But you know, it's just a fact. That's

1347
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,600
the reality of the history of the Church. It's not

1348
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,840
an aberration of the early Church that itself, which is

1349
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,319
what many Protestants, many americanists rely on is simply not true.

1350
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,239
Speaker 2: That's a mythology that they could.

1351
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:42,560
Speaker 3: That that Baptists and so of the Avidists really popularize

1352
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,000
this idea that Constantine fundamentally changed the constitution of the

1353
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:50,239
Church into something that it wasn't before, and that's simply

1354
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:53,279
not true. You can you can read countless hundreds of

1355
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,600
pages of church fathers prior to to Constantine, who taught

1356
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,399
the exact same thing as the Church fathers after. They

1357
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,960
didn't fundamentally change anything. The liturgies were the same, The

1358
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:07,359
views of the Doctor of the Church are the same.

1359
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,199
The views of the legality of the state. You know,

1360
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,640
Paul and rome As thirteen says the state has the

1361
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,600
sword as a minister of God. Now Paul doesn't. He's

1362
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,760
not saying the state is God. And by the mere

1363
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,159
fact that he lost his head as a martyr by

1364
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,600
the state shows that he didn't believe that the state

1365
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,239
could do anything. No, it's limited by the law of God, obviously,

1366
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:32,600
and so you know, the early Church had the same view,

1367
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,119
but they also at the same time recognized the legitimacy

1368
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:38,479
of the state to wage just war and to punish

1369
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,840
evil doers. As Paul says, that's what the sword is.

1370
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:45,760
It's the death penalty. This has been This is another

1371
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,640
element that a lot of people miss too, is pacifism,

1372
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:54,159
the pacification the same problems, by the way, in Catholicism

1373
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:56,800
and in Orthodoxy. So what goes along with a lot

1374
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,600
of this Americanism is also magically the promotion of aism.

1375
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:05,760
Now they'll talk about how the New Catechism does this,

1376
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:11,239
although oddly enough the New Catechism for Catholics still retains

1377
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:14,159
I think some weird statement about how it is the

1378
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:18,239
traditional position, but the death penalty is no longer needed

1379
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,359
with you know, all the modern inventions that we have,

1380
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,800
or something to that effect. And of course, you know,

1381
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,720
Joppo the second was a huge crusader against the death penalty.

1382
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,279
And now a lot of people don't see this as

1383
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,159
that big of a deal. I do, because it's a

1384
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,079
clear example of one of these cases where we can

1385
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:38,640
see the banishment of God from the civil sphere as

1386
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:44,039
a as a clear departure from traditional teaching. So, whether

1387
01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:47,239
you're Orthodox or whether you're you're a Roman Catholic, the

1388
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,439
entire history of the Church is affirm the death penalty.

1389
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,399
Speaker 2: It's never been doubted except for you. There might have

1390
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:52,840
been some.

1391
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: Rigorous church fathers, you know, early on, who, by the way,

1392
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,319
probably weren't saying to somebody like Tertolian or some like that,

1393
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:02,560
who's not not a saint, by the way, who might

1394
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,159
have doubted it, some of the some of the aesthetics

1395
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:07,479
might have doubted it. But the normative conciliar canonical view

1396
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,760
is that the imperium, it's in the code of Justinian,

1397
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,840
by the way, who is a saint in orthodoxy, you know,

1398
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,520
the death penalty is there. Uh, it's it's in canon

1399
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,319
law in certain cases has been mentioned.

1400
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: I think it applies to pediass priests.

1401
01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:26,199
Speaker 3: It used to absolutely, Yeah, I think even Justinian's code

1402
01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:28,039
has Pederasti has a death penalty.

1403
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,159
Speaker 2: So yes.

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Speaker 3: So in other words, one of the things, by the way,

1405
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:41,479
that that leftists talked about to alter culture, and I'll

1406
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,479
give you an example in the Globalist book series, ah

1407
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,560
she Wells says this. He says, promote pacifism and the

1408
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,000
removal of the death penalty.

1409
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:51,239
Speaker 2: Why would why would that be?

1410
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 3: Well, because that is a an anti patriarchal, anti masculine,

1411
01:16:57,079 --> 01:17:01,520
anti it's a it's an alteration in the civil society

1412
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,439
which ends up basically rewarding criminals, because what happens is

1413
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,720
criminals get basically put up in prison, and society then

1414
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,000
pays for the criminals.

1415
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: The original concept of outlaw was, you know, one guy

1416
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,840
protection from the law. It wasn't so much you were

1417
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,239
just outside the law. Acting outside law is that you

1418
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:22,520
were no longer protected by the law. There was a

1419
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,439
form of extreme ostracism, and then you were no longer

1420
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:27,600
and then we can do anything they wanted to you.

1421
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 3: Well, that might be, I would probably be better than

1422
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:35,279
than than the idea of a giant, private, for profit

1423
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,119
pedal system by which people can commit heinous crimes and

1424
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:42,760
then taxpayers are punished by having to pay for this guy,

1425
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,359
which is preposterous. Now, you know, yes, I understand that

1426
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,960
our system is corrupt. So I'm not saying that we

1427
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,199
should give all of these evil people in America, you know,

1428
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,800
like free reigns to just kill everybody. But what I'm

1429
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,279
saying is that just just simply speaking, the not in

1430
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:05,359
terms of every single case, but just considering the doctrine itself,

1431
01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:06,960
the doctrine of the death penalty.

1432
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,399
Speaker 1: Everything everything comes commodified or yes, in the United States,

1433
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,119
even crime, because now you have Correctional Corporation of America

1434
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:14,479
trades on Wall Street.

1435
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:18,399
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's right, right, right, and that makes the

1436
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:19,399
issue a little more complex.

1437
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 3: But just on the question of the legality or normativity

1438
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,279
of the death penalty, in terms of traditional theology, there's

1439
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:31,720
no question. And it's crucial to understand that the twentieth

1440
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,079
century liberal theologians, well, I guess it would kind of

1441
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:37,800
begin with the higher critics, but it becomes popularized along

1442
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,640
with social Gospel and by the socialists and by the Communists,

1443
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,079
by the Marxists, by the leftists, and by the pastifist

1444
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:48,479
capitalist democracy promoters. They all want to get rid of

1445
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,399
the death penalty. And that's a big piece that a

1446
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,760
lot of people people miss because it has the effect

1447
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,960
of essentially.

1448
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: Creating a completely different.

1449
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: It's it's just part and Parson the idea that God

1450
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,279
is not involved in the civil sphere, that you have

1451
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:08,800
a public agreed upon, you know, ecumenical view, and then

1452
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,880
you have your own practical lige.

1453
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like I've taken a non spiritual, non

1454
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,479
religious example or analogy would be like the right to

1455
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,319
bear arms, where practically speaking, know it's going to raise

1456
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,000
arms against the state, but nevertheless, there's something to be

1457
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:28,640
said about uh, expecting every man to be armed, to

1458
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,039
be able to protect himself against marauders or criminals. This

1459
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:35,960
creates sort of a massaculine manly attitude, and it sort

1460
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,039
of creates a stronger community, and this which adds to

1461
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,359
self government. And so there's something it's sort of it's

1462
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,359
it's it's it's well. At times it could be rather

1463
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,960
practical if someone's breaking your house, but it's more it's

1464
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,600
also very symbolic, which is why the towns people who

1465
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,880
defend the death penalty and gun rights tend to be

1466
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,640
more of a heartier sort, if you know what I mean,

1467
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,800
and the people who want his neighbors.

1468
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 3: And when you you can go through the history of

1469
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,079
theological texts over the last two thousand years and eat meat,

1470
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,920
and they do, Yeah, they're not vegan, soy boys. In

1471
01:20:08,039 --> 01:20:12,960
many cases you'll find that the sources for why you

1472
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:16,039
can defend yourself, which again is an application of the

1473
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:20,439
debt faulty, by the way, is Exodus, because I think

1474
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,039
it's Exodus twenty to twenty two specifically mentions the right

1475
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:27,000
of self defense. And so the normative view of the

1476
01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:29,000
history of the church was not that. Oh, well that's

1477
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,520
an old Tusman. Doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter because

1478
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,199
it's a principal moral law that you have right to

1479
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:33,800
self defense.

1480
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: But back to David WebM Offfice, I was I don't

1481
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,000
know if there's in the book or is an interview.

1482
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,640
I think it was an interview because of the context

1483
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,279
of what he was talking about. He was talking about, well,

1484
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:47,520
Catholics in America, Catholics who do well in America, who

1485
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,079
climb up the totem pole, who kind of worked a

1486
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:53,159
way up the slimy political grease poll in teen power.

1487
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,800
They all have to shed their genuine Catholicism to retain

1488
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,680
power or success within the American system. So it says,

1489
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,039
you speak it cannot be really be a successful Catholic

1490
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:06,479
and be genuinely Catholic in America. You have to compromise yourself.

1491
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,800
And one example he talks about was when I think

1492
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:16,039
it was Amy who was that judicial Amy Barrett was

1493
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:19,520
her name. The judicial points ce, uh, she's Catholic, and

1494
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:25,720
I think Senator Feinstein was worried about her dogma. Yeah, now,

1495
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,960
of course, no Jewish appoint he ever gets that questioned

1496
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,119
about the tal mood and does the Talmud affect your

1497
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:32,720
Jewish prudence? These things, this is the double standard we

1498
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,239
always we get. Catholics are always confronted with this question

1499
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,600
by liberal Jewish senators on the Jujitsiary Committee confirmation, and

1500
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,760
no one ever questions them about their dogma the doctor,

1501
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,000
which is abortion in pornography. But there's whole other issue.

1502
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:49,560
But the uh he says, you know, she got a

1503
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,119
lot of flak for that. And the typical people like

1504
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,279
Donna who you know, Donaho, the Catholic you know what's

1505
01:21:56,319 --> 01:21:56,880
his outfit?

1506
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: Uh yea some of the organization. Yeah, it's like a

1507
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,560
watchdog thing.

1508
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're bigger than against cathoxs blah

1509
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,960
blah blahs is. But his point was, in a way,

1510
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,560
the senator was correct. There is something about essential or

1511
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,840
true Catholic doctrine that is inconsistent with the American system.

1512
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:21,159
And of course, and so Catholics in a way, even

1513
01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:24,359
American Catholics, their proper role in America is not to

1514
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,640
have a place at the table. It's there to be

1515
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,840
outside and maybe wagging a finger at the very least

1516
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,760
exerting some sort of influence. But the moment they try

1517
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,680
to succeed in America, they lose their identity and what

1518
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:39,399
essentially makes some Catholic. And we see that with Americanism.

1519
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:40,560
Would wouldn't you agree?

1520
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 2: Of course?

1521
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean people don't get that anymore because you know,

1522
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:52,640
we see every Catholic politician is a sellout, right, I

1523
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,359
mean a one deg or another, even Sheldon Nagelson.

1524
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you know, power in America requires money,

1525
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:05,720
and yeah, money requires you to give up principles.

1526
01:23:07,079 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: So the relative poverty and yeah, but this is that

1527
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,479
good life again, this is what one talks about the

1528
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,960
selection of America is the good life, and you can

1529
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:19,840
do well here. And because of that, even priests with

1530
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,760
their brick and mortar oper that's what they worry about.

1531
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,880
The bishops, they worry about their operations and as long

1532
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,479
as they don't lose their tax status, they won't be militant. Well,

1533
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,479
the church is a militant it's nothing.

1534
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And it was a long time scam two

1535
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,840
which a lot of people don't know.

1536
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 3: But that was a way for the government to trap

1537
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,039
churches into not having political speech.

1538
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,239
Speaker 1: I think that was the Johnson administration that when that

1539
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:49,119
was great and forget that correct, you know, but.

1540
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: But but but but.

1541
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,119
Speaker 3: Going along with the five o' one C three tax

1542
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:58,520
exempt status also means you're accepting Americanism because you're accepting

1543
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,199
that I'm not going to apply my theology to the

1544
01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:02,920
civil spirit.

1545
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:06,399
Speaker 1: Yes, but they but they can apply their their theology

1546
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,840
and they will to everything. And witness how Obamacare makes

1547
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,159
the Catholic Church. You know, everyone's worried about freedom of religion,

1548
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:16,399
and you know the sept because Obamacare is going to

1549
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,640
make the Catholic Church, you know, uh, subsidized abortion and

1550
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,239
birth control and what they describe is preproo. Well yeah,

1551
01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:26,359
I mean productive health.

1552
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,199
Speaker 2: Like taxpayer is gonna be paying for trainees. So yeah,

1553
01:24:29,239 --> 01:24:31,399
you thought you thought more morality won't.

1554
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:34,359
Speaker 3: Be legislated, but uh no, it will be legislated, and

1555
01:24:34,399 --> 01:24:37,239
you'll be you'll be supporting the most satanic stuff imaginable.

1556
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 1: Now, they are the role of foundations. I'm gonna bear

1557
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,840
with Mary. I'm gonna read this and picture commentaries. Yeah,

1558
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,399
this is aing you Michael Jones. Brook John called Kroll

1559
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,239
and the Culture Revolution. This was a great sort of

1560
01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:58,359
a just sort of a synopsis or summation of how

1561
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,479
foundation he says, foundation is really constant what he calls

1562
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:08,399
a secret government undermine real government. In here, I'll read it, it,

1563
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:12,359
says Renee Worms, a Recent's legal assistant. Throughout the hearings

1564
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,000
documented in a book published in nineteen fifty seven, not

1565
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:18,520
only the dangers posed by foundations to the institutions of

1566
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,680
the Republic, but also they influenced those foundations and their

1567
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,560
political allies were bringing to bear on the nation's cultural institutions.

1568
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,399
The great Foundations, Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie were for the most

1569
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,680
part founded as a result of the New Deal, as

1570
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,239
an attempt to prevent the flow of family money into

1571
01:25:34,319 --> 01:25:36,800
the coffers of the federal government under the tax policies

1572
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,359
instituted by Roosevelt. Created from the wealth of this country's

1573
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:44,760
major capitalists. The foundations soon applied the techniques of cartel

1574
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,479
of the cartel rather and the Trust to the flow

1575
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,439
of information and reconfiguration of culture. The foundations would put

1576
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,640
up money which would serve as venture capital in the

1577
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,600
politics of change. Foundations like those run by the Rockefeller

1578
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,520
brothers would fund projects like Kinsey Sex Surveys, which would

1579
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,920
which would been otherwise impossible to support given the constraints

1580
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,119
of democratically elected government, or the simple satisfying of market forces.

1581
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:14,319
The Foundations would fund research which they found congenial and

1582
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,720
almost invariably involved instigating social change away from a position

1583
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,239
of congruity with the moral law. They involved more than

1584
01:26:22,319 --> 01:26:25,800
often than not, as the Kinsian studies did, the substitution

1585
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,800
of scientific data for moral principle, and then when the

1586
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,000
project had received a modicum of public acceptance, the Foundations

1587
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,920
would turned the funding of the projects over to the government.

1588
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:38,119
This was by and large the mechanism of cultural revolution

1589
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:41,359
in this country. The Foundations would fund the undermining of

1590
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,680
some law, generally having to do with sex, the family, morals,

1591
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,039
or religion. The courts would remove any legal roadblocks, and

1592
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:51,840
the press would proselytize for whatever social change entailed, given

1593
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:56,439
widespread dissemination of the scientific surveys which the Foundations funded,

1594
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,159
and eventually the government would set up programs based on

1595
01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:02,720
what the Foundations proposed, funded by government money. Of course,

1596
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,439
the government's involvement in the contraception is one of the

1597
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,479
instances of general rule that we will examine and greater

1598
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,359
detail later. But I thought that there was a great

1599
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,920
description of sort this closed loop that appears sort of

1600
01:27:14,039 --> 01:27:16,960
dynamic and free, but really just thought it's all closed system.

1601
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 2: It is.

1602
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me of not too long ago, a

1603
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,239
couple of years ago, flipping through NPR. I don't ever

1604
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:26,640
listen to it, but I just happened, you know, after

1605
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,359
like never listening to the NPR, just one day randomly

1606
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:33,800
flipping to it and I hear this ad for vaccines

1607
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,119
and it was talking about how.

1608
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: It was something like just kind of mind blowing.

1609
01:27:39,039 --> 01:27:41,079
Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly what the ad was with something like,

1610
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,399
you know, be sure to get vaccines because you know,

1611
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,960
we're trying to really help the world's population to stabilize.

1612
01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not joking.

1613
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: I was like Bill Gates.

1614
01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:58,199
Speaker 3: And it was said paid for by the Kids Foundation,

1615
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,439
and so it was like a two minute blurb about

1616
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:06,119
how everybody giving vaccines will help world population to stabilize.

1617
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:10,239
And you know, we of course we know Bill Gates

1618
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:12,199
says that, you know, in his Ted talks he's talked

1619
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:14,800
about at point before that the vaccines are intended to

1620
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,640
do this, but this was not geared towards the Third World.

1621
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,720
It was geared towards domestic population. He's saying, you guys

1622
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,239
in America, please get your vaccines. Uh, you know, and

1623
01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:27,159
he you know, he talks about the death pedals and

1624
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:29,319
all that. So again not surprising, but it was just

1625
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,319
interesting to just randomly turn on MPR and hear that,

1626
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:35,920
and then hear the Gates Foundation paying for this ad.

1627
01:28:37,359 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: And what was it?

1628
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: Somebody said something about Oprah and oh, Oprah, Oprah having a.

1629
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Abortion parties.

1630
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:54,359
Speaker 3: So what she's what Oprah's trying to promote is this

1631
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:59,439
is instead of women feeling shame for getting abortions, having

1632
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,560
abortion parties. You can't make this up. Oprah is promoting

1633
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,720
women having abortion parties. Like like you were having like

1634
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,119
a baby shower.

1635
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: What gift do you bring to that, like an empty

1636
01:29:12,119 --> 01:29:13,039
pair of shoes or something.

1637
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's some of the very something, very macabre obviously.

1638
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1639
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,399
Speaker 3: But the reason I bring that up is because Oprah. Yeah,

1640
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,720
and there's a hashtag for a shower your abortion or something.

1641
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:29,960
But Oprah, she attends one of those yearly meetings with

1642
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,079
Rockefeller and Bill Gates and all that about you know,

1643
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:37,800
third world and depopulation and all that. So the reason

1644
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,600
I'm the point I'm saying is that that that, yes,

1645
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:46,520
that they will even openly say that this is done

1646
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,920
to you know, it's done under the cough, but it's

1647
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,880
done a plain sight. But the Foundations are able to

1648
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,399
subvert the normal channels of government because they're not under

1649
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:56,640
government perview.

1650
01:29:57,399 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: So and that's been the case, you know, a long time, all.

1651
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,239
Speaker 1: The way back. They also fund the educationist in the

1652
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:06,720
colleges universities. Even Norman daw talked about that way back.

1653
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,279
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what.

1654
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was bringing that into Fordham University

1655
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,640
and then trying to you know, influence doors our churches

1656
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,039
on on their sexual morals.

1657
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: And everything is like apparently you're you're you're a tyrannical

1658
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,680
evil if you don't support the big gay agenda.

1659
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:24,520
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

1660
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: That seems to be the big push. Everything is just

1661
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:29,520
gay gay gay gay everywhere.

1662
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: You're a big yeah.

1663
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's uh, you know, just not that the flags.

1664
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:38,119
But if you go headlines and news stories that are

1665
01:30:38,119 --> 01:30:41,279
selected in these things, you know, even celebrities and reports

1666
01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:44,159
of celebrity lifestyles, because celebrities always been used to degrade

1667
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:46,600
and promote the general behavior.

1668
01:30:47,279 --> 01:30:51,199
Speaker 3: Well, but what you were reading from from em Michael

1669
01:30:51,239 --> 01:30:54,439
Jones there that drives very well with with McGowan. So,

1670
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,319
you know, Den mcgawan's talking about kind of like the

1671
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:59,760
Pentagon intelligence angle of it, and he's talking about the

1672
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:05,039
foundations driving the counterculture, and makes perfect sense because it's

1673
01:31:05,039 --> 01:31:08,159
the same people you know, controlling the Pentagon you're in

1674
01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:09,760
who are in these these foundations.

1675
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:12,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course they're the ones that fled of

1676
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,359
the country with LSD exactly, which is how common knowledge.

1677
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:21,000
People still don't make that connection, you know. You know

1678
01:31:21,079 --> 01:31:25,479
there's a documentary called Berkeley in the sixties. Yeah, it

1679
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,199
talks about the free speech movement in Berkeley sixty four

1680
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,920
sixty five, and it's kind of all clean cut and everything,

1681
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:36,159
but by nineteen sixty nine everyone was just these you know,

1682
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:39,520
zombifie hippies and they're interviewing the people and all their

1683
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,880
memories are of all the sex they had and that's it.

1684
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1685
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:50,279
Speaker 1: So a serious sort of sober anti war movement that

1686
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:52,319
could shine some light and criticism on the on the

1687
01:31:52,399 --> 01:31:57,760
system was again destabilized or destroyed by by, of course,

1688
01:31:58,039 --> 01:31:59,399
degenerate sex, you know, which is.

1689
01:31:59,399 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yes, that reminds me too. Since we've talked,

1690
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,399
I covered Bowart's book in total. Did you hear those

1691
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:04,920
Yes I did.

1692
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter Buch Yes, and he backs up all that too.

1693
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 3: He actually talks about the tim Larry essentially being commissioned

1694
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,359
to create a cult, create the Timilary cult, and Leary

1695
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:21,319
was able to sell his nonsense through saying it was

1696
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:23,920
a right. Mm hm, you have a right to this,

1697
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,600
the exact same thing the way abortion was sold. This

1698
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,600
is your right and the man is keeping you down. Yeah,

1699
01:32:31,319 --> 01:32:34,720
it's in other words, even once again there's another testament

1700
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:40,640
to counterculture being essentially establishment driven, you know, in the

1701
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,239
in the that's the overall thrust of the Bowart book

1702
01:32:44,319 --> 01:32:45,640
is is to back up the thesis.

1703
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's sort of this the big anti natalist push,

1704
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,039
which is not done so you know, directly through forced

1705
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:54,199
abortions like in China where they could get away with

1706
01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:57,920
it and one child honestly, but just through the cultural change,

1707
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,000
you know, sort of the culture, the different the change

1708
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:03,039
expectations where again women are supposed to just presume that

1709
01:33:03,079 --> 01:33:05,960
women a woman who goes to college and doesn't want

1710
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:07,720
to get married, she wants to have a career, Well

1711
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:08,479
to what end?

1712
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:10,159
Speaker 2: To what end?

1713
01:33:11,079 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 3: You know, right, which is the idea of the creation

1714
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:18,199
of the narcissistic individual, which is again another psychological warfare

1715
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:23,920
technique to create the completely you know, self centered kind

1716
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,880
of sociopathic, psychopathic individual, which is a big part of

1717
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,600
what social media is now doing. You know, you have

1718
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,319
even the I'm sure you've heard this, or the executives

1719
01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:37,760
coming out saying, oops, sorry, we created a giant narcissism,

1720
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,159
a machine that destroys society.

1721
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:41,159
Speaker 2: Sorry about the oops the way.

1722
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:43,079
Speaker 1: It's oops, you created a drug culture. Oops.

1723
01:33:43,359 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: Oops. Yeah, sorry, we didn't do that.

1724
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:46,239
Speaker 1: Vietnam was a mistake.

1725
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1726
01:33:47,319 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Oops, you know, we dropped two and fifty tons of

1727
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:55,800
bombs on Cambodia. Oops. It's like, we're just so stupid, Kim, Kim,

1728
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,600
we do. But yeah, I mean it's one of these

1729
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:05,399
things where, uh, you know, once uh again you ask yourself,

1730
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,399
what what cost the good society? And the count's come out.

1731
01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:10,720
I mean, I was just thinking about the other day.

1732
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,359
I'm you know, all these corporately owned daycare centers there

1733
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:17,439
probably are owned by corporations that are traded on Waltz

1734
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,760
on the stock market, and people there are people who

1735
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,920
invest in these things in there for in their you know,

1736
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,960
four o one ks and they may even be kind

1737
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,359
of against that, but they're investing in these corporations that

1738
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,960
they are making money on dysfunctional or family you know,

1739
01:34:33,079 --> 01:34:36,760
family dissolution. But it's become corporatized, become a profit because

1740
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,760
the culture has been changed where this is so prevalent

1741
01:34:39,079 --> 01:34:41,600
now that you can have corporations that are based on

1742
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,279
on you know, dysfunctional or warehouse children and it just

1743
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:49,119
feeds itself. It's the same way that you know, corporations

1744
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:52,039
are capitalized by by the by the drug money it's

1745
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:54,239
been flown into you know that that's being smuggled into

1746
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:56,800
the communities. But Katherine Alston fits talks.

1747
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 2: About right, right, right, Yeah, I want get to.

1748
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 3: The John Cloyd book, mcloy book The Politics of Herolin eventually,

1749
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:13,039
which which deals with all that. But yeah, you start

1750
01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:16,119
to realize that that there's a scientific technique to all

1751
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,359
these areas. Yeah, I mean, it really is a full

1752
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:22,000
spectrum system. Like Ingdahl talks about, it's it's every one

1753
01:35:22,039 --> 01:35:23,199
of these areas has a.

1754
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 2: A very specific well.

1755
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,520
Speaker 3: The reason that they're able to do that is I

1756
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:32,920
don't know if you saw in one of the talks

1757
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,199
that I think it was in the talk that you're

1758
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:35,439
talking about they're the subversion.

1759
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 2: You know, I showed you that. I showed that graph

1760
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,119
that shows all the media people.

1761
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 3: That's a really helpful graph because people have a hard

1762
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,840
time with understanding this kind of stuff if they're new

1763
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,640
to it or if they're you know, well, what do

1764
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,399
you what's this Builderberg group? How does it relate to

1765
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,640
the CFR, How does that relate to the role society whatever?

1766
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,399
What's all the same people in different groups, different steering committees?

1767
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,279
And if you look at the fact that all the

1768
01:35:55,359 --> 01:35:58,119
heads of every major media corporation that's the mainstream media,

1769
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,840
it's all the same people in the Builderberger and it's

1770
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,319
all the same people in the CFR who were also

1771
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,680
Tryateral Commission. They're all in the exact same circles. I mean,

1772
01:36:08,119 --> 01:36:10,399
that was a brilliant thing that whoever put that together.

1773
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: But is there a conspiracy and you say, well, they're

1774
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:19,600
meeting here, I mean they're coordinating. Okay, let's call this

1775
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,439
is they're not conspiring to coordinating?

1776
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 2: Is that?

1777
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Is that a better word for you? Has the CIA

1778
01:36:24,199 --> 01:36:25,199
ruined that term yet?

1779
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: You know?

1780
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: But even you said I talking about to talk about

1781
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,279
conspiracy theory, but then they're they're official conspiracy theories that

1782
01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:33,359
are marketed, you know, I don't know, like.

1783
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:37,520
Speaker 2: The Cold War, yeah, George Keen right and Henry LUs

1784
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,319
mister x. I mean they.

1785
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 3: Christened the the new conspiracy, which would be the Cold

1786
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:44,399
War and the Dalls.

1787
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: Brothers, right, Usama bin Laden al Qaeda, that's conspiracy theory.

1788
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,239
Speaker 2: Yes, Not eleven is a conspiracy.

1789
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

1790
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,199
Speaker 3: What's more, there was another one that was more recent

1791
01:36:56,399 --> 01:37:01,479
than Not eleven that was an official con Oh, Russia Gate. Yeah,

1792
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:03,239
Russia Gates.

1793
01:37:03,079 --> 01:37:06,279
Speaker 2: An official condoned conspiracy theory, you know.

1794
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: So you know, so again there're one you can believe

1795
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,520
in some some of the more I guess some conspiracy

1796
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,399
theories theories are more equal than others.

1797
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 3: In UFOs Aliens, that's a government condoned conspiracy theory that.

1798
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,039
Speaker 1: It's actually well, it's actually yeah, actually been been uh

1799
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:23,279
promoted by.

1800
01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 2: The government exactly.

1801
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely we know about going in and deceiving people about that.

1802
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,079
Speaker 3: To get that go, I think I'll put that quote

1803
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:34,439
in the book to that great Brookings Institute quote about

1804
01:37:35,319 --> 01:37:39,000
UFOs basically seeing if that would be a way to

1805
01:37:39,359 --> 01:37:43,720
move people away from from christian Yeah, that ethos.

1806
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: I think I did step that in.

1807
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,520
Speaker 1: The book and it does because people again it's almost like,

1808
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,840
you know what they call it's the second Coming. Their

1809
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:52,239
idea is what disclosure?

1810
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,359
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, it would fit very well into

1811
01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:57,680
a lot of new age.

1812
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 3: And and and as we pointed out that I've said,

1813
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,800
you know, we're seeing a lot of the former new

1814
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,159
atheists now that that new atheism is kind of dying

1815
01:38:06,199 --> 01:38:08,399
in popularity, a lot of those people are moving into

1816
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:11,880
you know, the ideas of the metaphysical right, Oh, maybe

1817
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,760
Dawkin Sew's aliens put us here, right, maybe Penn's for me,

1818
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:18,079
So you can you can see how people can be

1819
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:22,720
transitioned out of materialism because it's not you know, the

1820
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,199
human heart is going to worship something that always will.

1821
01:38:27,039 --> 01:38:30,159
It doesn't do very well with rank materialism. So, you know, materialism,

1822
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,880
we're like a phase to get people out of, uh,

1823
01:38:33,159 --> 01:38:36,439
you know, more traditional religious beliefs. And then they're then

1824
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:40,439
they're willing to they're they're primed, their their their putty

1825
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,239
for the acceptance of some you know, new garbage.

1826
01:38:43,399 --> 01:38:46,319
Speaker 1: And what's funny is is frist gets trashed with with

1827
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,600
when you when traditional religion gets marginalized is objective morality,

1828
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,760
which again is a side black to the oligarchs.

1829
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:59,359
Speaker 3: Then, however, you you suddenly get a extremely objective morality

1830
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,000
about trainees and gays. Funny how you you know, we

1831
01:39:04,039 --> 01:39:06,640
were supposed to not have objective reality that now we're

1832
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:10,800
dogmatically commanded you know on all these Yeah, yeah, moral points.

1833
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:13,159
Speaker 2: M hm, we talked about that.

1834
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is that the culture is it's

1835
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,119
very hard to sort of reverse these things because when

1836
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,079
you start pointing out things like the I don't know,

1837
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:25,199
the normalization of daycare to two earning families, if the

1838
01:39:25,239 --> 01:39:28,359
families are still intact, uh, these things is you're stepping

1839
01:39:28,359 --> 01:39:31,159
a lot of people's toes, their lifestyle, their expectations and

1840
01:39:31,239 --> 01:39:33,359
what they what they should be, and they take offense.

1841
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:34,720
That's so it's hard to talk about it. They don't

1842
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,319
want to consider the fact perhaps they're they've they've themselves

1843
01:39:37,399 --> 01:39:39,159
been engineered to manipulated.

1844
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,239
Speaker 2: You know, the normalization of gay care.

1845
01:39:42,039 --> 01:39:44,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, it's no thing is it's going to

1846
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:47,000
be well it will because they'll that'll be infested and

1847
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,600
if it hasn't already, reports about you know, the Pentagon's

1848
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,720
daycare center and these things. What's going on Presidio again?

1849
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,119
You you you wear house kids, and it's what do

1850
01:39:57,159 --> 01:40:00,239
you what do you? Yeah, you wear house kids easy

1851
01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:02,920
to social engineer them and subject them to these things

1852
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:06,359
that you know, even schooling with vaccinations. We just we

1853
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,279
just take for granted how we were all schools growing up,

1854
01:40:09,359 --> 01:40:13,680
these large, you know, centralized buildings where you know, we're

1855
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:16,840
we're subjected to this nonsense. You know, is this normal?

1856
01:40:17,039 --> 01:40:19,479
You know, is this really healthy? And you realize who

1857
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:20,840
designed the school system? Right?

1858
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, yeah, well it's it's Prussian model

1859
01:40:25,159 --> 01:40:25,920
and Skinner.

1860
01:40:26,079 --> 01:40:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Skinner, Padlov and uh, you know Dewey, these people

1861
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:36,680
who were malevolent. So well, Jay, you know, coming up

1862
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,279
an hour of forty minutes? Anything else? Do you want

1863
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to cover anything else? Do you miss anything?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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Speaker 3: That was good talk, I think, uh, you know, the

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essence of uh, the thrust of the of the point

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was just that what we're seeing in the Ukraine and

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in the Orthodox world is the same pattern of subversion

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that went Moff talks about and thoseism that's happened in

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all the churches. And that's crucial to understand because you know,

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we talked a lot in alternative media about you know,

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politics or geopolitics or we talk about subversion of culture,

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talksic culture, but we have to understand that it also

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applies from the controllers advantage point to churches.

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Speaker 2: That's a big part of it too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people who are into this type

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of research sort of don't, well, they don't consider the

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importance of the churches exact right exactly, you know, the

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fact they you know, some people think they should just

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go away and and they're they're actually part of the tyranny.

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It's much more they're infiltrated and manipulated. So it's a

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bit more complicated than that, right. I really did understand

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what the role the attican plays. Now I couldn't give

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you a clear answer.

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Speaker 3: Well, and also too, I'd like to add that that

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might dishearten some people because they might say, well, if

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the churches are bad too, then let's just what's the

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point who cares about?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: Keep in mind that throughout the history of the Church,

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there have many there have been many, many state actors

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that have attempted to control the Church and failed. One

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of the things that I point out about orthodoxy is

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that in the history of the emperors, many of them

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were heretical, many of them attempted to completely change the

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doctor of the Church. And the fact that the Church

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did not lose its doctrine of the diminutive Christ and

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the nice and crete, you know, the basics of the

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nice and crete, I think shows that, you know, the

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protection of God like. If it was just a human,

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human social institution, it would have been.

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Speaker 2: Turned bad long long ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you had basically, for example, iconoclass emperors.

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Right before the Seventh Council, you had emperors basically trying

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to remove all the icons from all the churches and

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enact the kind of Islamic style doctrine or something iconoclasm.

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And you know, that didn't win. It's amazing it didn't

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went out. You had Arianism, you know, in the fourth

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century when almost the entire empire was in our semi

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area except for Saint Athanasius and a few bishops, and

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they ended up winning. So just because you know, you

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have the minority opinion, or because the state is trying

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to control the church, you know, that's not a reason

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for being disheartened, is what I'm trying to say. Because

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there are many, many, many cases in church history in

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the state did not win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an account in the Bible that E. Michael

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Jones reference when he was presented with that very question

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about the problems within the church is to count when

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Jesus is on a boat with the apostles on the

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sea and the storm comes and this the waters, you know, churning,

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the boat's about to trip over, and Jesus is sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Finally wake come up with Master here why as you're sleeping,

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and then he calms the waters. But the whole point

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is that right now we're in the middle of the store. Absolutely,

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you know, and so it seems that way and maybe

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from our own standpoint, you know, this is people there

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have been martyrs and this you know this to a

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certain extent, this is because they had people have to

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suffer for their faith, for their beliefs, for their for

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their principles. And so it isn't always going to be

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easy to stand up to what you think is right,

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what you what you know is right, and you know,

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for whatever the case, so it'd be easy.

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Speaker 2: It isn't right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, the Christianization of the Empire took three centuries

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at martyrs, so absolutely, and uh, one other thing I

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would add too, is you know, we can we can

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draw a lot of insight from the Old Testament as well.

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A clear parallel would be the very degenerate history of

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Israel when the when Jeroboam had basically set up a

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giant state run sex goal uh, the the worship at

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Dan and Bethel, which which which was the state erected

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cult that was set up as a way for him

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to control the northern kingdoms of Israel, as opposed to

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the legitimate worship which was in Judah in the southern

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kingdom where it was supposed to be at the temp Well, Uh,

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there's there's a lot of wisdom in that because his

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state runs sex cult, you know, pretty much took over uh.

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And you know, if you know the history of Israel,

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this is what led to the Assyrian captivity in the

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north and then the battle on captivity in the south.

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So the point is is that it leads you into bondage, uh.

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And the the chastisement of the period of bondage is

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but of course purge that away and you know it

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leads to a better state down the road.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, don't lease heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well Jay, thank you so much, thank you Tom.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yep, thank you, thank you so much. Jay. I'll let

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you go and I'll post as soon I do. I'll

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send you I'll send you the leak, all right, Tim,

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I have a good night, good night, than thanks so much,

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bye bye,