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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. I'm Nicole and I'm Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, welcome back. But you're listening to wicketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Around, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>My podcast listener, we both said welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>I said it first, I win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but first the worst, second the best. Sure you

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<v Speaker 2>know how that works. Second is the best. I learned

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<v Speaker 2>that in like grade two. Come on now, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>that's elementary.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh now you're trying to be third the golden turd.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally feels like we have not been on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Forever, I know, and it's it's only been slightly over

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<v Speaker 2>a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think with Halloween Week, it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a part of our life for so long. Okay, only

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<v Speaker 1>a week, but it was just a lot of effort

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and so it just it's felt like this

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<v Speaker 1>was a really long break.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. It felt I mean a break we needed,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was definitely lengthy. And that's what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween Week was so epic that for quite a while

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<v Speaker 1>after Halloween actually, I was like, you know what, screw Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done with you. I don't want any part of you,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was just like my favorite Halloween ever, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>And but I'm starting to get into the Halloween spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought Christmas lights getting in that Christmas spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the Christmas spirit. Now, yeah, I'm still stuck on Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's slowly coming because I love Christmas. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to pick some Christmas cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we'll definitely have to pick Christmas cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally goats.

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<v Speaker 2>But also side note, because Halloween did go so amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and so awesome. Just the other day, we hit a

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<v Speaker 2>total of two hundred thousand lifetime listens on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>so our episodes because of all you listeners out there,

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<v Speaker 2>all you patrons, all you people who support the shit

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<v Speaker 2>out of us, you have listened to us two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand times. That's wild, It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You so much from the bottom of our little shoveled

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<v Speaker 2>up grinch hearts that are about to grow three times

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<v Speaker 2>with Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny that you say something with the Grinch,

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<v Speaker 1>because I say something with the Grinch in my case.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Oh well, look at us go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in sync totally?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that is that Backstreet Boyds? Oh shit, I

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<v Speaker 2>always get to make I always get a make.

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<v Speaker 1>Know someone will tell us if we're wrong, which is

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<v Speaker 1>totally fine. Okay, So we have some patrons to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you do and then before I end up forgetting the

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<v Speaker 1>case I'm doing today. Actually, one of our patrons requested

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<v Speaker 1>and her name was Samantha. Sorry for a minute that

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<v Speaker 1>I almost thought I was saying the wronger, but Samantha,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I put a little selfie up there and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, take a request. And there was some

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<v Speaker 1>sweet requests that came in and we will definitely be

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<v Speaker 1>covering some of those, but for today we picked Samantha's.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Samantha, thank you very much for the request.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, super appreciate it you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what it is. Well, I know

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<v Speaker 2>the name, I know the gist of the case in

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<v Speaker 2>like a one sentence summary. Oh dude, it's yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a bad one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to hearing it, looking forward to what

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<v Speaker 2>happened that it does not sound good, but I'm anxious

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<v Speaker 2>to hear wild Wild. But before we get into the details,

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<v Speaker 2>can we thank our patrons?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>we have a few more to thank like Solangel, Tracy Shandy,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, yes one seriously super appreciate it. Okay, do

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<v Speaker 1>you drink? Don't? I don't actually have a drink today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it's kind of sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I have like a leader of.

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<v Speaker 1>It, but you have a leader. So if I need

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<v Speaker 1>a drink, I'm just gonna steal some.

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<v Speaker 2>And fear not. There is Irish cream in it, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I don't know, we can start going, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I think we have other updates but we

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<v Speaker 1>probably chit chatted enough, so let's dive right in. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the story about Joseph Fritzel and Elizabeth Fritzel.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're going to focus more on Elizabeth because she's

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<v Speaker 1>the victim, and we try to focus on the victims

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<v Speaker 1>around here as much as possible. So Elizabeth was born

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<v Speaker 1>on April sixth, nineteen sixty six, to parents Joseph and Rosemary.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the fourth child to be born out of

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<v Speaker 1>their seven children. Now, trigger warning, This story is quite intense,

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<v Speaker 1>including some extreme sexual abuse. So I'm just warning you

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<v Speaker 1>right off the back here. If you don't you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear it, stop now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is your official second warning. Yes, because we

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<v Speaker 2>have a warning at the beginning of the episode. But

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<v Speaker 2>and now here's your second chance.

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<v Speaker 1>To give you a second one. So, now, out of

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<v Speaker 1>the seven children, Joseph seemed to gravitate towards Elizabeth, taking

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<v Speaker 1>a special interest in her and treating her differently than

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the children, on an obsession towards her.

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<v Speaker 2>If you will, an obsession obsession I missed. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>say how many children he had?

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<v Speaker 1>Seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Seven? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Seven? If he needed to go somewhere, he'd want Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>to come with him or if he needed help. It

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<v Speaker 1>was Elizabeth he wanted help from. He liked for her

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<v Speaker 1>to always be in his sight. At the age of eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph would start to sexually abuse Elizabeth. Fuck, which is

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<v Speaker 1>honestly horrific. Like that, that's her father, Yeah, like her father.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that two perspectives. There's the age of being so

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<v Speaker 2>young and eleven, and then there's the that's your fucking dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, oh my gosh, I just can't. At fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth would com, oh, do you have something to say,

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<v Speaker 1>my love?

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<v Speaker 2>It just reminded me of a joke. So whenever you're ready,

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<v Speaker 2>so I tell you the joke. Go ahead, Okay, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do teenage girls always travel in odd numbers?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I feel like I've actually heard this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know because they can't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, they can't even. That's awesome And I

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<v Speaker 1>even said that. Yeah, So am I like a teenage girl?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Okay. So at fifteen, Elizabeth would complete her

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<v Speaker 1>necessary schooling, and once that was finished, she started a

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<v Speaker 1>course to become a waitress. When she was sixteen years

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<v Speaker 1>old in January nineteen eighty three, she would run away

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<v Speaker 1>from home with a friend, but honestly can't blame her.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>They went into hiding in Vienna, Austria, but were found

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<v Speaker 1>by the police and returned to their parents three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after running away. I should mention the story itself itself

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<v Speaker 1>takes place in Amsted in Austria. Once back home, Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>rejoined her waitress course and completed it in nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 1>being offered a job in Lintz, which was a nearby town. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>much to Nolan's knowledge, Joseph was realizing he was losing Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>She was becoming an adult and soon she would be

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<v Speaker 1>off on her own. The plan he would come up

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<v Speaker 1>with next is just horrific, And like I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say it again, like I keep saying horrific, but it's honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just like no other word to describe this.

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<v Speaker 2>The one detail I do know is the detail you're

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to, and it's fucking disgusting. Yeah, it's far

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<v Speaker 2>beyond horrific. Yeah, there are no words.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my jaw. Researching was pretty much just constantly on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. So in nineteen seventy eight, the Fritzalhouse would

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<v Speaker 1>undergo a renovation. The house was a larger, older home,

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<v Speaker 1>dating back to the eighteen nineties. It had many rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them being rented out to tenants. Joseph had

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<v Speaker 1>applied for a building permit to extend his basement, some

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<v Speaker 1>reports saying for it to be an atomic bomb shelter.

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<v Speaker 1>He went through all the necessary permits to make his

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<v Speaker 1>renovation legal stumble, which initially surprised me. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>a smart man, and I think this would prevent people

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<v Speaker 1>from investigating at a later date by him going through

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<v Speaker 1>the paperwork.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the shelter was complete, and to no one's knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph would go even further, adding more space to the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>reading a small prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, here we go, We're going there up. No one,

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<v Speaker 2>this is fucking nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real bad. No

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<v Speaker 1>one in his family was allowed to go to the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>It was for Joseph's use only. He referred to it

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<v Speaker 1>as his kingdom, and he was busy while down there,

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<v Speaker 1>and not to be disturbed. He was a trained engineer,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently this is where he did his work. As

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, he had much control over the family,

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<v Speaker 1>and you did not question Joseph.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck this guy, I know I already. I just can't

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<v Speaker 2>this guy his kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah, he just deserves nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a king of nothing, king of nothingness, King

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<v Speaker 2>of the pilot who.

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<v Speaker 1>On August twenty eighth, nineteen eighty four, Joseph would end

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<v Speaker 1>up luring Elizabeth into the basement of the family house,

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<v Speaker 1>saying you needed help carrying a door or something to

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<v Speaker 1>that extent. This favor would change Elizabeth's life trajectory completely.

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<v Speaker 1>As Elizabeth was helping her father, Joseph would reveal an

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<v Speaker 1>ether soaked towel, bring it to his daughter's face, and

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<v Speaker 1>hold it there until she lost consciousness. She would later

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<v Speaker 1>regain consciousness handcuffed in the secret prison cell her father

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<v Speaker 1>had started working on years prior. This would be her

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<v Speaker 1>home for the next twenty four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's oh fuck, I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is a long fucking time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>That It's just it's unimaginable. It's unthinkable, Like holy frank,

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<v Speaker 1>like I just almost feel like i'd rather die.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I know I'm jumping way ahead here, but

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<v Speaker 2>after those twenty four years, can you imagine what it

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<v Speaker 2>would be like to get out of there? That's Stockholm

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<v Speaker 2>syndrome that you're oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like the amount of life that you've just

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<v Speaker 1>missed out on, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, literally a quarter of your life if you

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my gosh. Okay, So I didn't know exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>to mention this, but his unwanted acts to words Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>were not his first. He was known for indecent exposure,

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<v Speaker 1>peeping into people's windows and watching them in intimate moments,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just He's Tom, It's just so disgusting Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>often masturbating in parks while watching women.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that one's completely normal. Oh my gosh, kidding,

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<v Speaker 2>don't sorry. That was a bad joke.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a terrible joke. And in nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually arrested for following and raping a woman

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<v Speaker 1>in her home. Fuck and get this, Like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck? He served twelve months of his eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And he even raped someone?

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<v Speaker 2>And even still, why did he only serve twelve months

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen Oh okay, so you literally followed someone home, raped

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so you followed someone raped someone. We're given

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking ridiculous minimum sentence of eighteen months and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even have to serve that whole period. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole fucked up situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just i'd oh, like that is too low.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole home that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes my head hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a whole bunch of messed up wrapped in

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<v Speaker 2>whole burritoce. That's like going to Taco Bell, getting the

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<v Speaker 2>cheapest chocolate you can, throwing it on the floor, stepping

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<v Speaker 2>on it, and then eating it. Ew exactly. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>like why I think of the shit because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole messed up situation wrapped up. And I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make taco bell any shittier? You throw it the ground

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<v Speaker 1>Here is always thinking about taco tacos. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say taco bell, but just tacos. I don't generally have

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<v Speaker 1>taco bell clearly, so this is even weird. Okay, not

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<v Speaker 1>even weird. Actually I shouldn't say that, but his Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>me being a wife, I think this fucked. His wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosemary would stay with him through all of this. Did

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<v Speaker 1>she know that that she visited him in prison? And shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh sorry, I thought you were skipping.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead to Oh no, no, I'm still talking about like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so like the twelve month sentence and shit, like she

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<v Speaker 1>would visit him and like just pretend like nothing happened. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm pretty sure that is me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd be like, pigs, your Prince Charming just raped

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<v Speaker 2>someone's in prison, and you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's disgusting, Like I'm out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, your fucking nasty. I'm your nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So initially Elizabeth's mother, Rosemary, would report Elizabeth missing.

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<v Speaker 1>She was not part of this plan and had no

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and Rosemary had a history of running away, so

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<v Speaker 2>of course she could be missing. Rosemary or her daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Who did I say, Elizabeth or Elizabeth? Rosemary is the mother?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, Elizabeth has the history of running away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so of course that's to be suspected. Now she's done

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, But I mean like she's found. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay. So Joseph would put on an

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<v Speaker 1>act too as a distraught parent, even apparently crying at

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<v Speaker 1>one point to the police, like freaking bastard. Not okay

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>He was able to dodge this missing person's report by

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<v Speaker 1>handing over a letter to the police, the first of

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<v Speaker 1>what would be many letters he would force Elizabeth to

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<v Speaker 1>write while he was holding her in captivity. The letter

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<v Speaker 1>would address that Elizabeth was tired of living with her

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<v Speaker 1>family and that she had joined a cult. It warned

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<v Speaker 1>her parents not to look for her. This would close

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation to look for Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>See, anytime there's a letter, don't look for me, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a red flag to say, fucking look for the person.

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<v Speaker 1>I can look like real hard. Yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it closed done. They're finished looking for her. Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly was Elizabeth living in? Well, I'm going to share

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Initially, going down into the basement, you were met with

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<v Speaker 1>a utility room and a workshop Joseph's workshop. Behind a

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<v Speaker 1>bookshelf in the workshop was a secret door only measuring

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<v Speaker 1>one meter high that would lead to the cellar. The

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<v Speaker 1>cellar consisted of a bathroom, kitchen, and two bedrooms, all

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<v Speaker 1>connected by very little, narrow passageways, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. It covered approximately an area of approximately five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety square feet, but it wasn't always that large.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll touch on that a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that square footage of that it's like

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<v Speaker 2>what we're living in in our tiny it's actually bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean we have windows.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we have luxuries that she would not have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, like literally like no daylight whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just could only imagine like the air, how

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<v Speaker 1>like non fresh it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be in there, like and in the cellar you got

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<v Speaker 2>that cool damp stone foundation air and like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's not fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just be awful. There were two access points

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<v Speaker 1>into the cell a hinge door and this okay that

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<v Speaker 1>I found it apparently weighed like a thousand pounds. This door,

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<v Speaker 1>which is incredibly hard for me to envision, but became

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<v Speaker 1>unstable over years due to the weight and the metal

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<v Speaker 1>door and then there was a metal door reinforced with

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<v Speaker 1>concrete on steel rails that weighed like six hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>so like he's like enforcing the shit out of this place.

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<v Speaker 2>He was making sure no one got out, or if

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't, if they were trying to look for someone.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that door was located behind the shelf in

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph's basement workshop and was very protected. So for one

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<v Speaker 1>it was hidden. There was an electronic code using a

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<v Speaker 1>remote control unit to enter, and in order to have

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<v Speaker 1>reached this door, apparently five locking basement rooms had to

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<v Speaker 1>have been crossed to get to Elizabeth. Eight doors in

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<v Speaker 1>total needed to be unlocked. Wow, two of them being

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<v Speaker 1>additionally secured by electronic locking devices. Like that is a

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<v Speaker 1>massive like there's no escaping that really, Like there's this,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>The pre planning there, the premeditation involved in all this,

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<v Speaker 2>the years, the saying I'm going to make sure if

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<v Speaker 2>she gets past door number one or two or three,

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<v Speaker 2>she's still fucking locked down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, could you imagine if you got cross this

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<v Speaker 1>store one like just you'd probably just be like yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>like the relief, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you're met by another door. Yeah, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>past it and the fucking oh my god, the heartbreaks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh goodness. Okay, but then also to me, Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>if I lived in this home and there was an

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<v Speaker 1>area of my home that I couldn't go into and

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<v Speaker 1>that was just locked, I think I'd be suspicious, like

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<v Speaker 1>af like, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't be okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>There'd be no way that I would not be breaking

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my my assumption wouldn't be that you're holding our

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<v Speaker 2>child captive in there, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I had an area that have our host

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<v Speaker 1>ben you're not allowed to go in here, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was constantly locked, you would need to go in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, both of us would break into each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, But I'm just saying I was leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to my point here, Like I wouldn't assume like they're

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<v Speaker 2>fucking hiding our missing child in there. I need to

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<v Speaker 2>go in the field.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you wouldn't be married to that person.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like Nicole's fucking grown a shit ton

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<v Speaker 2>of weed in her basement. I guarantee it. Either that

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<v Speaker 2>or she's like some sort of dealer something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, accounts growing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'd be like, why isn't the bank account growing?

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta harvest this crop? What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me help you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, no, but I totally yeah, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>busting in, like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, There'd be no way that I would not be

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd send you a grocery shopping or something, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be looking at getting through the doors, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be questioning, why is there fucking eight locked doors

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<v Speaker 2>down here that I can't get through?

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<v Speaker 1>That You would get through them, though, would so Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>would visit Elizabeth, usually every day, bringing her food and

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<v Speaker 1>other essential supplies. At these visits, he would, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you guessed, also repeatedly rape her, which brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to an even worse part of the story, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of the children yep, that would be born.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go in this hidden seller fuck. Elizabeth would

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<v Speaker 1>become pregnant a total of eight times, with seven children

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<v Speaker 1>being born. Did you know that many?

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<v Speaker 2>I knew? Well? Generally with these cases, there's not any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of birth control being used. So if someone is

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<v Speaker 2>being locked up and being used like that against their will,

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<v Speaker 2>there's usually multiple at least pregnancies, whether it's children being born.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a different story. There's at least multiple pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't look into it. I feel like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there almost wouldn't have been birth control,

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<v Speaker 1>but there totally could have been. Or sorry, there was

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<v Speaker 1>birth control because every child was born almost like after

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<v Speaker 1>two years kind of thing. And there was numerous reports

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<v Speaker 1>that he raped her upwards of three thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Times totally fun in the span of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty four years. So the fact that she had that

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<v Speaker 1>few of children is almost surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm gonna do that math for how.

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<v Speaker 1>I did actually do that math or even I can remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, you keep going on, on, Okay, calculate.

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<v Speaker 1>So her first pregnancy, in November of nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 1>ended with a miscarriage when she was about ten weeks pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Her having to deal with this being completely alone, locked

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<v Speaker 1>in a dark, dingy cellar. I just couldn't imagine. On

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<v Speaker 1>August thirtieth, nineteen eighty eight, Elizabeth would give birth to

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<v Speaker 1>her first child, a little girl named Kirsten Chris Kirstine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is It's like they pronounced it maybe

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<v Speaker 1>differently than us over there. I wanted to say, Kirsten, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got the number, and honestly, I'm surprised it's that small

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<v Speaker 2>of a number.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's over it's over twenty four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty four years, that's eighty seven hundred and sixty days, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>divided by three thousand times, that's an average of two

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<v Speaker 2>point nine to two, so that's about every three days. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised it was that little, to be honest, really,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised, Like if you were going through that trouble

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<v Speaker 2>to essentially have a slave for.

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<v Speaker 1>Your bidding, a sex slave, yeah, then.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised you're not taking more advantage.

427
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.319
<v Speaker 1>But there would be times he was away, I mean

428
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:27.640
<v Speaker 1>times that like she was pregnant and probably like having

429
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 1>a baby.

430
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's just like, I don't know that's true.

431
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Some it did say on times that it could have

432
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 1>been numerous times a day, but then it would say

433
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:39.839
<v Speaker 1>it was like a minimum of three times a week usually,

434
00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:44.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, ah, like gross, okay, so bad.

435
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fucking gross. Regarless, don't give you this.

436
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:50.519
<v Speaker 1>So on August thirtieth, nineteen eighty eight, Elizabeth would give

437
00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>birth to her first child, a little girl named Chris, Kirsten,

438
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>who would live in the cellar with Elizabeth. I even

439
00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:04.839
<v Speaker 1>struggled to write this, But Elizabeth birth these babies completely

440
00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>on her own, no help from anyone. Fuck, And if

441
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't show like her strength, I don't know what the.

442
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Fuck does Badass of the day.

443
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Joseph would provide her with towels, scissors, and a pregnancy

444
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 1>book and that is all.

445
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>That is it, that is it.

446
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.559
<v Speaker 1>And she was literally left alone to give birth to

447
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this child.

448
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Does he realize the risk involves in there?

449
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I think he doesn't give a shit.

450
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But he could have been dealing with a dead body

451
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 2>coming back down there. Yeah, because childbirth.

452
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Is there's so many things that could go wrong.

453
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>There is high risk for fatality in that.

454
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like she literally had to do that herself.

455
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Like I just can't even imagine the strength that you

456
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>would have to pull out of yourself to do that.

457
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 1>No shit, Like holy crap. On February first, nineteen ninety

458
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.599
<v Speaker 1>so that's basically like just under two years, little Stephan

459
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.319
<v Speaker 1>would be born and would also stay in the cellar

460
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>with Elizabeth. Just over two years later, on August twenty ninth,

461
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Lisa would be born and interesting enough,

462
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Lisa would not remain living with Elizabeth.

463
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

464
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>When she was just nine months old, she would be

465
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:29.559
<v Speaker 1>discovered outside the family home in a cardboard box, allegedly

466
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 1>being left there by Elizabeth, but it was really Joseph

467
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.799
<v Speaker 1>with a note asking for the child to be looked

468
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>after by Joseph and Rosemary.

469
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Why did he select this one?

470
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>So there was quite a few different stories about it,

471
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>some saying the seller was running out of room, okay,

472
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.519
<v Speaker 1>so like they wanted to bring some of the children above,

473
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Some saying that some of the children were louder than

474
00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the others. Oh, so then he would let these children

475
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>to go upstairs to like decrease noise.

476
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Noise, yeah, because.

477
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>There was like tenants and stuff in this area and

478
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>in this house, and people would sometimes say they heard things,

479
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>but Joseph like would always say that or have excuse

480
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of it being something else. And then also he was

481
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a landlord, and he was kind of I don't know, dominating, right,

482
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and so I don't know how much could you say

483
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 1>to your landlord.

484
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Well and true, if you're renting a room or something

485
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 2>from your landlord, who's to know. Maybe they had their

486
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>sister over who has a baby and you heard the

487
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 2>baby cry.

488
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh ye. Numerous rooms in there and stuff.

489
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

490
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 1>There was one report though that someone said they had

491
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a dog, and so this dog daily would just constantly

492
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>be staring at the floor and like kind of growl

493
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, really because he could hear things that were

494
00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>happening under there, right, and it was just like, what

495
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.799
<v Speaker 1>the fuckuck, So that's hole.

496
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 2>That's like fucking hair standing at the back of my neck.

497
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>It's super sad.

498
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

499
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety three, and I mentioned this earlier, but

500
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the area they were living in was not always five

501
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety square feet. It was only initially three

502
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty square feet, but as the family grew,

503
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a larger area was needed, so Joseph put Elizabeth and

504
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 1>the children to work. They were expected to dig out

505
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 1>the soil to enlarge the prison using only their hands.

506
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, you fucking.

507
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Asshole, can you not just give them a shovel.

508
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, go to the dollar store get a garden hole?

509
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Come on.

510
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>So it took them years, but they eventually got to

511
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>a place where the prison was enlarged two hundred and

512
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>ten square feet.

513
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Like, I hate that fuck.

514
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 1>On February twenty sixth, Are you okay.

515
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I just this fucking guy. If it's not bad enough

516
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>that you're holding a human and then subsequently multiple humans

517
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 2>after that captive and using them as a fucking sex slave,

518
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>which is disgusting enough. That's your daughter daughter, Yes, sorry,

519
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>I've forgotten that detail. God, And then you have the

520
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>fucking audacity to not even have any human decency left

521
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>in you to even help in a fucking childbirth. And

522
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>then you're like, if you want more room for the

523
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>family that I am making, you have dig it out,

524
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>dig it out with your bare fucking hands.

525
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Like he is a monster, a monster far beyond far

526
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, and honestly, dude, like you haven't even heard

527
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the worst fuck.

528
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 2>I need a lot more alcohol in.

529
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.799
<v Speaker 1>This just to make an actual beer.

530
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 2>I need like whisk I need moonshine after this.

531
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>So on February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four, so again,

532
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>basically two years after Lisa was born, the fourth child

533
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>would be born, named Monica, and again, like Lisa had been,

534
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>ten month old, Monica was left and found outside the

535
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>entrance of the home in a pushchair. This time, Rosemary

536
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>received a phone call, sorry, our dogs are making noise. Sorry,

537
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>sorry the pause. So this time, Rosemary the mom received

538
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>a phone call from presumably Elizabeth, but it's thought to

539
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>have been recording, asking them to take care of her child.

540
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Rosemary reporting this incident to the police, concerned that Elizabeth

541
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 1>knew their new unlisted number and reading that, I was like,

542
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>who the fuck cares? Like, that's so good that she

543
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 1>found you, and I just feel like maybe you should

544
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of help her because she's obviously in a shitty situation.

545
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so they took this child and again and

546
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>raised it as their own. On April twenty eighth, nineteen

547
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, Elizabeth would give birth to twin boys, one

548
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>named Michael and one named Alex. Unfortunately, Michael would not survive.

549
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 1>He was born with respiratory failure and Joseph refused to

550
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>bring him to the hospital.

551
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Of course he did.

552
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>He was less than three days old when he died,

553
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and had he gotten the help he needed, he would

554
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>have survived.

555
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

556
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Yep, So that's murder right there. Joseph would remove his

557
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>body and cremate him in the family home, spreading his

558
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.839
<v Speaker 1>ashes in the back garden.

559
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>That's so far the only human thing this fucking person

560
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>has done.

561
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't think that he like burnt, he like

562
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>cremated and burnt the baby in like their furnace or

563
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 1>some shit.

564
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>It's there's still some semblance of honoring the debt. That's it.

565
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 2>It's not he didn't just fucking in a bag in

566
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the dumpster or something. You know.

567
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess.

568
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>That is the first symbol of anything decent in all.

569
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 1>But it's not even in my opinion.

570
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's not. It's not, don't get me wrong. I'm

571
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>just I'm trying to salvage anything, anything heart. He still doesn't,

572
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong.

573
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 1>No, So Alex, the other twin, at fifteen months old,

574
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>would be discovered as his previous two sisters and be

575
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>taken to live upstairs with the three children living upstairs

576
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>with Joseph and Rosemary. Social Services was actually involved and

577
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>they were approved as foster parents. It was explained how

578
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the three infant grandchildren just appeared on their doorstep and

579
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>during regular visits by social workers, no suspicious activity was

580
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 1>ever seen or heard to deem them as a fit

581
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>foster parents. Now I had to kind of like look

582
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 1>into that because I was like, he was like a rapist.

583
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Like, excuse me, I was just thinking that too. I'm like,

584
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>deemed fit foster parents, criminal record of a fucking rapist.

585
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 1>So apparently, and I don't know if this is still

586
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 1>a thing. I didn't look into that. But after fifteen years,

587
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 1>in accordance with Austra Australian whoa Austrian law, your criminal

588
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>record is cleared.

589
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Really really holy shit.

590
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>So fifteen years after that incident occurred, like he didn't,

591
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 1>he didn't fine, Like he did nothing wrong. Wow, And okay,

592
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I can maybe see that with like some incidents and

593
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff like I don't know, I stole a car or something.

594
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>But rape, no, no, yeah, that is much worse.

595
00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>That's another human you're you're committing your crime against, rather

596
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 2>than stealing a car is just a tangible, literal object.

597
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you took something from a human.

598
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a human is not an object, So that doesn't

599
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking count.

600
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>No. So the last and final child to be born

601
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>would be Felix, and he was born on December sixteenth,

602
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:19.079
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two.

603
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I love that name, Felix.

604
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a good name actually. But he was left to

605
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>live in the cellar with Elizabeth and her two oldest children,

606
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.640
<v Speaker 1>as Joseph's wife could not look after any more children.

607
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 1>So to go into more detail on the captives living situation,

608
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>they had a television, a radio, a video cassette player,

609
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and Elizabeth had also requested learning material as she would

610
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>want to teach the children. She did teach the children

611
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>each day and had taught them to read and write,

612
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>which was like fucking good for done, Like that's just like.

613
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, fucking go Elizabeth, like incredible.

614
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 1>She also taught manners. They were very well mannered children good,

615
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like this lady is just a superhero. She

616
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>tried to make their situation as normal as possible. There

617
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 1>was a refrigerator that food could be stored in, as

618
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Joseph would often go on trips and they would be

619
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>left to fend for themselves, with reports being upwards of

620
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 1>three weeks.

621
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a long fucking time, no kidding.

622
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>They would cook or heat their food on hot plates.

623
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So as Elizabeth was trying to give the children as

624
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 1>normal of an upbringing as humanly possible, Joseph obviously was

625
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>doing the complete fucking opposite. Yeah, besides from them being

626
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>locked away like prisoners. At times, he would go even

627
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>further with their punishment by shutting off their lights or

628
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 1>refusing to deliver food to them for extended periods of time.

629
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>And this, this is brutal. He would even bring down

630
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 1>photos of the children living upstairs to show the kids

631
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.159
<v Speaker 1>living downstairs how good and normal of a life they

632
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>were having, showing them swimming in the pool, celebrating their birthdays,

633
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 1>having summer barbecues, being just outside.

634
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Why.

635
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because he's a complete asshole.

636
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Holy sh I was just like, what for a moment there,

637
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to say, he's bringing down

638
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 2>photos of the kids so Elizabeth and the kids can

639
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>see their siblings. No, but no, he's showing the activities

640
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and a life they're living.

641
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>And there's also reports and stuff where he go down

642
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 1>like talk about the delicious food and stuff that he

643
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>was eating and just being like a right asshole.

644
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck. Yeah, I want to punch this guy square

645
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 2>in the ball so he tastes his own fucking nuts.

646
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're ready, because this is the most you

647
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 1>remember when I was sitting at the counter researching and

648
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just like no, no, no, like having my

649
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 1>little spas. So this is the part.

650
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 2>You ready, Yeah, I'm ready.

651
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this horrified me, and I did think about

652
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>leaving it out because it's horrifying, but like, we're here

653
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 1>to just give all the facts. So Joseph would force

654
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth to watch pornographic videos, make her reenact them with him,

655
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>and he would be doing this in front of the

656
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>children in order to completely humiliate her. Yep, Like I

657
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, no, Like, no one would do that.

658
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I honestly think that is like one

659
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in my life.

660
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 1>So this guy, like, there, there you go. If you

661
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't think he was disgusting already, he's real disgusting. So

662
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>to instill fear in Elizabeth and the children, Joseph would

663
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>tell them that if they ever tried to escape, he

664
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>would either gas the place or they would receive an

665
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 1>electric shock, both resulting in death. When he was home,

666
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Joseph would go into the basement most mornings, telling the

667
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>upstairs family he was going down there drawing plans because

668
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if I mentioned that he was an engineer,

669
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Ye you did, okay, often being down there for extended

670
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>periods of time, but that they were not allowed to

671
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>bother him. His wife not even allowed to bring him

672
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>down a cup of coffee. Joseph had two completely separate lives.

673
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 1>When he closed the door to the basement, he also

674
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>closed the door in his head. He didn't think about

675
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 1>the basement family when he was outside of the basement.

676
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>He'd shop for the upstairs family at a different time

677
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>than he'd shot for the downstairs area. And he'd shop

678
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 1>or sorry the downstairs family at another time, and often

679
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it would be across town or sometimes in a different

680
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 1>time all together so that he would not get caught

681
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>because he could be buying, like say, stop something for babies,

682
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>but like diapers or something, maybe have a baby or whatever, right,

683
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and then he would bring them their supplies in the evening. Okay,

684
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>So now that I've just basically probably completely traumatized everyone,

685
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're wondering, like how the situation ends for

686
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth and her children.

687
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious because in the midst of this conversation, I

688
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 2>realized something. Did a little quick google and found out

689
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>that my brig no, it's not not facts about this, Okay,

690
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a movie based off this case. And I

691
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, this sounds familiar, and I googled it and yes,

692
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.079
<v Speaker 2>that movie is based off it.

693
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the name, but I did that. Okay, yeah, I've.

694
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Seen that movie with Bree Larson. It's a good movie.

695
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want to read I want to watch it again. Okay.

696
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So it would take one of Elizabeth's children, Kirsten, to

697
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.079
<v Speaker 1>get extremely ill for this shit show to end. On

698
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 1>April nineteenth, two thousand and eight. Kristen, who was the

699
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>oldest child and nineteen years old at this point.

700
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, really, she lived her.

701
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Whole life underground in that cellar. No daylight, no sun

702
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>ever hitting her face, no rain, no puddles to jump in.

703
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Like the list goes on and on. Yea, like on and.

704
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 2>On, missing out on your entire childhood yeah, and adolescence.

705
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Like fuck, like it just breaks it breaks her heart.

706
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Can you literally imagine being nineteen And I mean I

707
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>know that there's people around the world, like third world

708
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>countries and stuff who definitely do not get this luxury,

709
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>But living in a first world country and being nineteen

710
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and not even getting to celebrate your birthday.

711
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I bet you. Well, Elizabeth might not have

712
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>really known dates and stuff because I'm just thinking, like

713
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth being the mom she was, I bet you she

714
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 1>would try to do something about definitely, I mean like

715
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.800
<v Speaker 1>probably not have a cake and decorations and all that stuff.

716
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, they go through that a little bit in

717
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>the movie room with the birthday situation. Oh okay, but yeah,

718
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:12.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's just it's heartbreaking up.

719
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So she was in very rough shape, and surprisingly

720
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Joseph ended up calling an ambulance or taking her and

721
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>one or the other. And if she were to have like, okay,

722
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the reason he basically did that because if

723
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>she were to have died, what would he have done

724
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 1>with this full grown, you know, dead woman's body. Like,

725
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think he would be able to deal

726
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.159
<v Speaker 1>with that. So he gets Elizabeth to write a note

727
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>that she's once again dropping off one of her children

728
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>who was sick and she can't take care of her. Like,

729
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>at some point, these notes just have to be like

730
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>so ridiculous that you wouldn't even take them seriously. No kidding,

731
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I just can't even believe at this point you would

732
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>still be taking them seriously. So Kirsten is admitted to

733
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>intensive care in very rough shape, and the nurses and

734
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:13.039
<v Speaker 1>doctors become immediately suspicious. For one, there is absolutely no

735
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.599
<v Speaker 1>record of this child ever existing when they try to

736
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 1>look up her medical history, absolutely nothing. To the government,

737
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't exist.

738
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

739
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 1>For two, she was whiter than a ghost and displaying

740
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 1>illnesses to them that kind of had them puzzled. One

741
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 1>of them, for example, being that she was so deficient

742
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>in vitamin D that it surprised them that she had

743
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 1>even like lasted this long. I mean they I'm sure

744
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't supplementing.

745
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 2>No, probably not. He's probably just giving him cheap ass food,

746
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>no vitamins, no nothing, And like you say, no windows

747
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 2>in a basement, sellar, So there's no vitamin D coming in.

748
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah nothing.

749
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least you could put some fucking proper

750
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>light bulbs in there that might have a little bit

751
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of fucking proper Come on.

752
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>No, he gave no.

753
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Shits, no shits.

754
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Because Joseph wasn't offering basically any assistance and just wanting

755
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the hospital as quickly as possible,

756
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>the hospital put out a search to try and find

757
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Kirsten's mother During the evening of April twenty six, two

758
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight. Joseph basically had no choice but to

759
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 1>release Elizabeth, informing his wife, Elizabeth's mother mother that oh,

760
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth just decided to come home, like geez.

761
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you imagine that Elizabeth is not going to

762
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 2>say a word and that everyone's going to believe all

763
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 2>this and like think.

764
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, so and this is being like she was

765
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty four years like and then just boom yeah here, like.

766
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 2>No, can you imagine that conversation, Oh, how was your

767
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty four years away? Sweetie? Well let me tell you.

768
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my gosh. Joseph takes Elizabeth to the hospital to

769
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>see her daughter, and everyone is shocked by her appearance.

770
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 1>At this point, She's in her forties but looks years

771
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>beyond that, looking to be around fifty or sixty years old,

772
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 1>with extremely pale skin like her daughter. It's described as

773
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 1>almost being transparent looking. And she herself looked quite sickly.

774
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine, like, I mean, just the trauma that

775
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>she had been through is just appalling. Someone from the

776
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>hospital tipped off the police that Joseph and Elizabeth were

777
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>at the hospital. This would lead to the two of

778
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>them being taken into police custody for questioning. Now, initially

779
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 1>they were getting quite upset with Elizabeth. The police. Apparently

780
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't saying much for about the first five hours,

781
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and in their opinion, they're thinking she was a neglecting mother.

782
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 1>She'd left three children on the porch of her of

783
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 1>her parents, and now another one of her children is

784
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>brought into the hospital like deathly ill. She does eventually break,

785
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>but needed a promise from the police that she would

786
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.400
<v Speaker 1>never have to see her father again.

787
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, and to be fair, look at it, look at

788
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 2>it from that police perspective.

789
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh totally. I'm not saying anything bad against the police.

790
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Because you have this frair looking woman who looks years

791
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 2>beyond her age. Her skin is ghostly pale, and like,

792
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>what does that sound like?

793
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a cult, Like she could have been

794
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>in a cult.

795
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, it sounds like drug abuse to me, an addiction,

796
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that's true. Yeah, So generally with addiction you have struggles

797
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>with families and you have abandonment issues and that sort

798
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of stuff or neglect of children. That sounds like right

799
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>off the bat, just from looking at her, I could

800
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>see that authorities would pinpoint that as the first thought.

801
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and no. I mean I could also see

802
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 1>that the story of her just being in a cult

803
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.320
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like sometimes you see people that are

804
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>in the cults and they don't seem like they're they're

805
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>taking care of themselves either and stuff, right, true, Yeah, so.

806
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot of cults they'll deal with substance abuse and.

807
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Drugs, yeah, and alcohol and stuff too. So so at

808
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 1>this point, Elizabeth reveals her story to the police, and

809
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 1>it was a dozy no shit for them to understand,

810
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>so much so that initially they didn't believe poor Elizabeth, like,

811
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 1>give this hericking woman a break, for God's sakes, but

812
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 1>she insisted, causing the investigation to lead to the Fritzl

813
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 1>house and them to find the cellar below ground and

814
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 1>then to find two children in that cellar. Stephan and

815
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Felix were still in there. At this point they had

816
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>been saved, like, oh.

817
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, thankfully after twenty four years of all the school.

818
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It was reported that on the way to the hospital,

819
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Felix was just glued to the window, amazed by the sky,

820
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 1>the trees, cars that were passing by them on the road.

821
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 1>He had just never seen anything so magical, which it

822
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 1>almost likes you want to cry.

823
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, they depict that in that movie Moom or that

824
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>movie Room really well and that's why it's called room

825
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>because the main characters in the movie, she only has

826
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 2>one child that she's dealing with. Oh, but they live

827
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 2>in just a single room. It's a shed, and he

828
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 2>knows nothing. He can't comprehend anything outside of that. To him,

829
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the entire world is that shed is a room. Yeah,

830
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>so the fact on being outside of a room is

831
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing.

832
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know, you just couldn't imagine what would be

833
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>going through their little heads, like like you just absorb

834
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 1>everything and just be in awe. So Joseph was obviously

835
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>arrested immediately, and thank you. The thought that he could

836
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 1>have even gotten away with this for that long, for

837
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 1>as long as he did, is mind blowing. The community

838
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.559
<v Speaker 1>was absolutely shocked though, because in their mind, Joseph was

839
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>quite a respectable member of the.

840
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Community aside from his rape.

841
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, they like they didn't know that, yeah really right,

842
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Like his neighbors probably didn't know that he came across

843
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>or just wait where am I here? Okay, there go,

844
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>he came across nice enough to his neighbors. He took

845
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and he took on grandchildren that were dropped off by

846
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 1>this cult member mother and had raised them as their own,

847
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>he had a respectable job, like the list goes on.

848
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.079
<v Speaker 1>So from the outside he did appear quite fine.

849
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he's hiding it all, so yeah, what's

850
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 2>there's no reason for anyone to suspect anything. Yeah, I

851
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<v Speaker 2>could see that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have to mention he seems to appear quite

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00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>fine other than his freaking eyebrows. I don't know if

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00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 1>you've seen a bit this guy, but he has freaking heft.

855
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>He's actually quite a weird looking dude. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>photo that I came across on his researching, and it

857
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.199
<v Speaker 1>was his face next to the face of the Grinch.

858
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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, and there was actually, like so much of

859
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a resemblance that it was freaking hilarious.

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00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I Google, you have to google this.

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00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>But this story would have no happy ending and Joseph's

862
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>heart would not grow three sizes.

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00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Joseph, my god, he does look like the.

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00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Grin, doesn't he like a human Grinch?

865
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<v Speaker 2>He also looks like a human piece of shit?

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00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, disgusting. So your phone was making noise?

867
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was getting in too close to the recording feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>So Joseph Strials started on March sixteenth, two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>He was charged with rape, incest, kidnapping, slavery, and murder.

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00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Joseph's defense being that he wanted to protect Elizabeth from

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00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a lifestyle he didn't think was good for her.

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00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's his fucking call.

873
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Fuck off. After Elizabeth's testimony, which was recorded and not

874
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>shared to the public to protect her, Joseph actually broke

875
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>down and realized the crimes he'd committed. He apparently apologized

876
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 1>for the pain he inflicted on his family, and pleaded

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00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>guilty to all the charges.

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00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, years too late, I know.

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00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Wait, he was sentenced to life in prison, which is

880
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>he which he is still serving today?

881
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Good.

882
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 1>At one point in time, Joseph admitted that he had

883
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 1>always planned to lock Elizabeth up so that he could

884
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 1>contain and express his evil side, saying he was born

885
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 1>to rape and he had held himself back for too

886
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 1>long and could have behaved a lot worse than locking

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00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>up his daughter.

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00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised the

889
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>fact that he always planned to lock her up. I

890
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.199
<v Speaker 2>could have guessed that on my own, But the born

891
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to rape, he could have done much worse. What the fuck?

892
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like, that's like he's almost making excuse for his

893
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>horrific actions.

894
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, this guy is disgusting.

895
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't even there isn't words to describe how

896
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>how brutal he is.

897
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 2>If the Devil is real, the Devil is We'll probably

898
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:29.119
<v Speaker 2>look at this guy and be like, uh the fuck.

899
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was actually a video I was watching and

900
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>they're like, the devil wouldn't have wouldn't treat his children

901
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 1>this bad?

902
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 2>No, no never.

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00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.639
<v Speaker 1>After finally being released from their prison, Elizabeth and her

904
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>children lived in a clinic for a year, finally learning

905
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to live a normal life. They now live in an

906
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 1>undisclosed location and have never accepted any interviews with media.

907
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>They lost a ridiculous amount of their life and needed

908
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to learn what it would be like to be free

909
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to feel the rain on their skin, see grass, feel

910
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>grass on their feet for the first time. Such simple

911
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>things that I know a lot of us take for granted,

912
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 1>but that we should be lucky to experience on a

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00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>daily basis.

914
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

915
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 1>So that's the story.

916
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>That was a really good wrap up.

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00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, I know I even have sus but it's

918
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.880
<v Speaker 1>it's true, Like I one hundred percent take those things

919
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>for granted, and it's like, if this story can teach

920
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>us anything like maybe just next time when you're outside,

921
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.960
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the blue sky.

922
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Even on your drive to work, looking out that window

923
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.679
<v Speaker 2>of your car, just being amazed by the world on

924
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that glass.

925
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it could be a hell of a lot worse.

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00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Holy shit.

927
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Quite the story.

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00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Eh, Yeah, I kind of knew of this case without

929
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>even knowing of the case apparently. Yeah, although the movie

930
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 2>is significant different, there's just there's details that made me

931
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>draw the parallels.

932
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Was were they in that shed for that long? Like

933
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty four years long?

934
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was quite twenty four years,

935
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 2>but it was definitely over a decade, maybe fifteen to

936
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty somewhere in there.

937
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I know, because it just amazes me that this

938
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>shit actually happens, Like this is not the only story

939
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>where someone has been held captive for just that extended

940
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 1>period of time. It's just I don't know. I just

941
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>feel like the doom you would feel would just be

942
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>so much. So I mean, hopefully they're doing like okay

943
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and at least someone able to be enjoying the rest

944
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of their lives, right, Yes.

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00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.079
<v Speaker 2>No, kidd, I wish nothing for the best of that family,

946
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh totally, And as far as Joseph fucking.

947
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Rot yeah, rot, Yeah, he's disgusting, like he just.

948
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.639
<v Speaker 2>I hope he stubs his big toe. You know what, No,

949
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I hope he stubs his little toe. That's even worse.

950
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot worse.

951
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, stubbing your little toe fucking hurts a lot.

952
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I hope he does that every fucking minute.

953
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 2>So do. I hope he stubs his toe every Monday, Tuesday.

954
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll give him Wednesdays to maybe, you don't know, get

955
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the flu.

956
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I just hope everything bad on him, because fuck that guy.

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00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's disturbing. Okay, well, there you go. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the story. Thank you for listening.

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965
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're all down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So until then, my friends stay wicked.