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<v Speaker 1>This is Later with Lee Matthews, The Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Kat Temp is a writer, comedian, a libertarian commentator, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is currently the co host of gut Field on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News weeknights at ten. She's written such New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times bestsellers as You Can't Joke About That, Why Everything

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<v Speaker 2>is Funny, Nothing is sacred, and We're all in this together.

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<v Speaker 2>And her newest creation will probably hit home to you

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<v Speaker 2>as well. It's called I Used to Like You Until

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<v Speaker 2>How Binarying? How binary Thinking Divides Us? Cat Temp? Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with just what is binary thinking?

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<v Speaker 3>So it's to us versus them one side or the other,

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<v Speaker 3>left versus right. It's this idea that just because someone

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<v Speaker 3>is in the opposite political party, or maybe even have

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<v Speaker 3>a different view on a single political issue, that that

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<v Speaker 3>means that we have absolutely nothing to have in common

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<v Speaker 3>with that person. We're being conditioned to believe that right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and sadly it's absolutely not accurate, as I show in

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<v Speaker 3>this book, not only for my person you know, research,

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<v Speaker 3>but many of my personal experiences as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So you did do some research on this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing informal research on it because I work

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<v Speaker 2>in the same line of work as you, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>noticed it steadily on since maybe two thousand and ten

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven. To me, I directly attribute it to the

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<v Speaker 2>development and the infiltration of digital technology into our world,

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<v Speaker 2>where it is easier for us to be manipulated. It

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<v Speaker 2>is easier to create perceptions that really aren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely is easier. And I also think social media

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<v Speaker 3>has a lot to do with it in other ways too,

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<v Speaker 3>where it kind of just takes the humanity away of

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<v Speaker 3>the person you're talking to. And that's why I think

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<v Speaker 3>that in this book I show I tell a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of very personal stories about myself. I'm very vulnerable about

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<v Speaker 3>myself in this book, because I think that vulnerability is

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<v Speaker 3>a huge way to get us out of this mess.

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<v Speaker 3>If we want to be able to see each other's humans,

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<v Speaker 3>show that we're human, we have to show that we're

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<v Speaker 3>human in order to be able to accomplish that, and

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<v Speaker 3>so that's why I do it. I mean, it's easier

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<v Speaker 3>to show compassion when you know maybe what the other

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<v Speaker 3>person's going through.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called I used to like you until dot dot

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<v Speaker 2>dot caat temp is with us. You've seen her on

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<v Speaker 2>many US news shows, including co host of Guttfeld week

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<v Speaker 2>Nights at ten, that, by the way, has really taken

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<v Speaker 2>off that show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really really so very grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So here's the question that I deal with along

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<v Speaker 2>these lines. And it came first of all from none

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<v Speaker 2>other than my priest, who came to me knows that

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<v Speaker 2>I work in this field, and said, look, I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>confused as to how I can how I can better

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<v Speaker 2>communicate in my sermons something that someone may think is

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<v Speaker 2>a liberal tendency because we have a very conservative congregation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, just do it. And I said, just

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<v Speaker 2>do it. It doesn't matter if it's liberal or conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>What matters is that we are polite about it. Polite

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<v Speaker 2>discourse is what is missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And I think if you want to win over

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<v Speaker 3>and connect with someone who's diadment from you, then the

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<v Speaker 3>best way also is to folks on what you have

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<v Speaker 3>in common. First, Like I said, we're really being conditioned

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<v Speaker 3>to believe that if someone is liberal and you're conservative

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<v Speaker 3>or vice versa, you're not going to agree with them

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<v Speaker 3>on anything that's it's not true. And so my book

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<v Speaker 3>is really a guide for people to connect with people

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<v Speaker 3>who may have written them off. I think we've all

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<v Speaker 3>been there or our personal relationships have sadly been affected

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<v Speaker 3>by politics, and I think it's it is very sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really honestly, it's sad. And you break

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<v Speaker 3>it down that politics makes us fight with people who

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<v Speaker 3>we know in our real lives on behalf of people

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<v Speaker 3>who don't even know we exist, and this book as

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<v Speaker 3>a guide for that. And it's also it's an entertaining

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<v Speaker 3>read because I think also having it be entertaining, people

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<v Speaker 3>want to be entertained, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, well if it's not entertaining, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>As evidenced by you and Greg Guttfeldt show, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>it is being watched by more people than ever before

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<v Speaker 2>is because it is entertaining.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely, nobody likes to just sit there and be

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<v Speaker 3>preached at, right, So like, if you have some if

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<v Speaker 3>you're able to entertain them as well, then that's something

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<v Speaker 3>people are more likely to want to pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to like you until dot dot dot And

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<v Speaker 2>the subtitle is how binary thinking divide just can't tempt

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<v Speaker 2>us with us? Who do you think is doing the conditioning?

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<v Speaker 2>Since we are being conditioned.

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<v Speaker 3>I write a lot about that in the book. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the media and it's politicians. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you take the example of politicians, it's fear and

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<v Speaker 3>division is obviously very lucrative for them in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>their political capital. Saying vote for me is nowhere near

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<v Speaker 3>as effective as saying, if you don't, if the other

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<v Speaker 3>person wins and we're all destroyed and everyone's going to die,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the country's over, that is a lot more motivating.

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<v Speaker 3>And I you know, there's definitely ways to be attuned

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<v Speaker 3>to the manipulation as it's happening, whether it's in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of elections or it's in terms of trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>through legislation that is taking away our rights. But I

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<v Speaker 3>and I kind of expose a lot of that in

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<v Speaker 3>the book. So if you get read the book, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of ways to see. You know, the media

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<v Speaker 3>does it too, you know, to kind of be attuned

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<v Speaker 3>to how you're being manipulated and how to avoid that,

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<v Speaker 3>and also how to connect with other people who might

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<v Speaker 3>you might see being manipulated as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've been through these meetings probably like I have

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<v Speaker 2>with our superiors about Okay, we need to we need

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<v Speaker 2>to increase our digital presence and how many likes and

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<v Speaker 2>how many, how many clicks we're getting. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that feeds into it as well, because they not only

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<v Speaker 2>want you watching or listening to their content, they want

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<v Speaker 2>you to participate in the content digitally so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can get metrics and numbers that can be sold to advertisers.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm wondering if a lot of what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>is not somewhat of a death knell of the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>media as they try to survive.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's also interesting that the you know, the social media,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the most extreme voices. It amplifies the

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<v Speaker 3>loudest on social media, so there's often you know that

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<v Speaker 3>there's that motivation there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cat Temp is with us. I used to like

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<v Speaker 2>you until how binary thinking divides us. Every author I

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<v Speaker 2>speak with has learned something in the process of writing

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<v Speaker 2>their book. What was the thing that you learned most

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<v Speaker 2>once you closed the proofreading and sent the pages off

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<v Speaker 2>to the publisher?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know what? I thought that this would

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<v Speaker 3>be an enduring topic, right, And I really learned quickly

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<v Speaker 3>kind of just how right I was about that, because

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<v Speaker 3>I sent this book off in May, and then there

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<v Speaker 3>was the Trump assassination attempt, and then there was Biden

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<v Speaker 3>dropping out of the race and all these things, and

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<v Speaker 3>I worried for a second. I was like, is this

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<v Speaker 3>going to be relevant still? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>But then I reread my book a few times. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote every word, but you know, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>reread it over and over again of Prayer for Media,

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<v Speaker 3>and I read the audiobook as well. But it really

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<v Speaker 3>if you read this book, it provides a great explanation

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<v Speaker 3>for how we wound up where we are here today.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, just for example, with Biden dropping out the

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<v Speaker 3>last minute, how was he able to go on for

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<v Speaker 3>so long? And I think it's because saying, hey, that

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<v Speaker 3>man doesn't look well, let alone, can that man do

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<v Speaker 3>another four years became a sort of republican thing to say.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was only one side of the people's saying again.

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<v Speaker 3>The other people couldn't think that was a republican thing

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<v Speaker 3>to say, so, I you know, I think it honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I keep going back to my own words that I

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<v Speaker 3>wrote in terms of things I see around me happening

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<v Speaker 3>every day in this election cycle. And then I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond I used to like you until dot dot dot

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<v Speaker 2>how binary thinking divide us. Kat Temp is with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We thank you for the book, for joining us, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be watching you on gut Faeld weeknights of ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive Live

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